On another note if you are interested in the topic, I can’t recommend Growing Up in Scientology enough on YouTube.
Aaron is an amazing educator, commentator, and satirist on the subject of Scientology. Beyond that he has one of the most genuine, yet charismatic personalities of any person on the platform. I can’t say enough good things about him, his journey, and his work with both exposing as well as freeing people from Scientology’s grip.
Yeah A A Ron covers Scientology really well, cuts through the nonsence with a great deal of knowledge about the subject and does a lot to help victims of the cult. Well worth a watch.
Flo Barnett shot herself three times in the chest and once in the head with a long rifle.
Gary Webb, who exposed the crack cocaine conspiracy within the CIA shot himself twice in the head with a revolver. FWIW, Webb’s death Bay actually have been a suicide. The first shot went through his face.
Shelly Miscavige is still held unlawfully by Scientology.
Are you sure about that? I don’t mean that in the sense of doubting that Scientology kidnapped her, but in the sense that I’m unaware of any proof she’s even still alive.
This is why I don’t watch Tom Cruise, Elisabeth Moss, et al vehicles. You can’t separate the art from the artist when you’re literally financing their criminal organization.
The school (for some reason) gave UK Tabloid The Daily Mail an interview.
They said the father cheated on the mother and forced the daughter to move in with the mistress, that the victim was a drug dealer and was beaten for selling laced marijuana to her attackers, so the victim killed herself because of her unstable home life and drug addiction, not the beating the school ignored.
So they’re not just being sued for not doing anything after the beating, they’re being sued for slander as well.
Edit:
Since OPs link doesn’t go into all that, here’s the article I read the other day so you don’t have to take my word on it
I also forgot the school brought up the victims mom died of suicide as well… Implying it would have happened anyways.
“The mom killed herself two years ago. The girls that assaulted her were friends with her but thought she had laced the marijuana they had smoked together. The father is very upset and lost his only child so sometimes you just have to eat the s— sandwich,” an email from Parlapanides stated, according to the lawsuit.
I like how Abbott Elementary actually shows this aspect, but it handles the problem too lightly, but the principal is basically the villain of the show.
My friend was a teacher for a bit. He ended up leaving for multiple reasons, but one stand out story was when he stuck up for a student that needed to carry an epipen, but the school wouldn’t let them per their Zero Tolerance policy. The Gym Teacher turned Principle said he wasn’t worried about getting sued if the child was hurt, as he’s been sued before.
The superintendent at my high school admitted that I “Fell through the cracks”, but refused to do anything about it when I confronted him about my difficulties getting out of the remedial classes. This will be a bit of a brag, but most people assume that I’m some engineering graduate instead of a drop out. This includes state university professors.
There’s just too many bad administrators and teachers out there, just like in the private sector there’s too much bad management, we need to trim the fat and figure out what works and what doesn’t while also putting compassionate people in charge of students and people in general.
Bad schools tend to burn teachers and administrators out. The only ones who don’t are either hyper dedicated , or sociopathic. This concentrates them into problematic schools. The sociopathic ones also tend to get the most headlines, so we hear about them a lot more.
We’re really just going to lay a blanket statement down like this? Every single one, everywhere, run by sociopaths? No room for nuance here at all?
Reminder that schools are often run by former teachers. You know, those severally underpaid and overworked people that do one of the hardest and most important jobs there is.
Yes, sure why not? It’s not like what we say here has any effect on the situation. I’ve been trying to fix my issues since I left. I’m allowed to be bitter.
Reminder that schools are often run by former teachers.
From my experience, primarily gym and civics teachers. I’ve have so many little anecdotes about how my high school civics/history teachers pushed conservative ideology. Complaining about “welfare queens”, complaining about unions(even saying teacher’s unions were the only ones needed anymore). There’s a selection bias for the types of people that become administrators and it’s the same bias for why CEOs are mainly made up of sociopaths.
Got it, so you justify your ridiculous statement with even more ridiculous rhetoric, anecdote and not a shred of real evidence. Let’s say everything you said was true - you’re one person, how many schools could you have possibly experienced in ways that are meaningful to this conversation? You only mention one and that was as a student and that example is about fucking civics teachers not those who ran the school.
Honestly, the stuff that people say here to justify stupid statements is hilariously inept. Just take a moment and stop to read what you write and really think about how it reads - it’s childish lying and only likeminded fools agree with it.
All you have to do is look at the end results. Holistically, sociopathy is the norm and the school system is a corner stone in supporting that. It’s just hard to see because of normalized it is.
As far as proving it, I’m not going to dox myself and if I did, it wouldn’t be good enough for you. I’ve had enough experience with the education system at various levels and know enough of the good educators to know how it works.
Remember what ACAB, landlord hating, anybody that’s not communist or fixing every world problem with the snap of a finger platform you’re on.
Not only that, but there’s far fewer to literally no mod tools, bot detection, and vote manipulation detection either.
It makes things make a lot more sense when you realize half your politics and news threads are about as extreme as you can get short of being straight up 8chan.
Jesus, that's just pure malice on the school's part. Not even through incompetence, it seems downright deliberate. Absolute sociopaths, I hope the family takes them to the fuckin' cleaners.
What does that even mean in this context? I’m pretty sure that dad has been eating shit sandwiches for a couple of years now. Why does he have to eat more? Sounds like an insensitive halfwit wrote that email.
I can only interpret it as “fuck you, deal with it”. My sister committed suicide over 20 years ago and if anyone talked like this to me today I don’t know that I would handle it legally. It’s so fucked up.
When another poster asked, “Isn’t it possible that this was a deliberate terrorist attack rather than a tragic accident?,” Simon retorted, “It’s possible that you’re a useless shitheel rando on an internet hellsite speculating wildly and without regard to what is already known by authorities in Baltimore. Quick, have someone fund your podcast. You’ll go far.”
To a poster who called Baltimore a “mismanaged, failed state,” Simon offered a well-worded correction: “The port is a state-run entity and nothing whatsoever to do with Baltimore municipal government, you absolute submoron.”
To Anthony Sabatini, the former Florida congressman who wrote “DEI did this” – referring to diversity, equity and inclusion – Simon took no prisoners. “Your mother did you, but after a hard life of service on a truck-stop lot, can we really hold her loosened, battered womb responsible for dropping you head-first on the Winnebago floor and burdening our society with another empty, racist demagogue thereafter? We cannot.”
Dude! The Wire is the one of the best shows ever created! Watch on Max, rent DVDs from the library, or just do some normal piracy. You owe yourself a watch of The Wire.
Absolutely brilliant show. And yes, this is indicative of The Wire. 😅
IMHO the shield pales in comparison to the Wire. The wire is up there as one of my favorite shows of all time and I couldn’t really get into The Shield.
I had a tough time as well, I think it was the slow burn intro and the shaky camera work (that is actually technique). Try it again and it is most definitely some of the best television of all time. Right up there with breaking bad as well.
The Shield is very different. LA and Baltimore are very different culturally and it shows in the final product. The Shield also focuses on the one squad while The Wire is about the city of Baltimore. Of the two, I personally think The Shield is a little more cartoonish, so The Wire wins out, but The Shield is still excellent.
Yes it is different but so is Breaking Bad, Bojack Horseman, Futurama, etc. Shows/movies can be different and still be equal in quality.
I’m still going to say that The Shield is up there with the others in quality, regardless of the differing topics and story. I don’t want to watch the same movie or TV show over and over with a different cast and slightly different story line.
I’m not sure how this in any way contradicts what I said. I’m not saying only watch The Wire, I’m saying between The Wire and The Shield, having seen both, I prefer The Wire, but they’re also very different so it’s not a good comparison.
BSG is a very different show but there might be some crossover between the fanbases. Deadwood is legacy HBO, the quality and depth of cast is on another level compared to what the scifi channel had at the time.
It’s also endlessly quotable, that’s one thing I miss about reddit is the small /r/Deadwood sub. You’ll see some general “cocksucka” quotes in the wild but that sub has multiple rewatches under their belt and uses the full range. I have to revist some posts there everytime I rewatch it.
Deadwood is the best written, most humane and complex drama I’ve seen on TV. Watch with subtitles because Milch is a genius and you don’t want to miss anything.
And you might still miss some things the first time but it makes rewatches even better. I rarely feel the desire to rewatch shows, even good ones, Deadwood is the exception.
Hell even the set is amazing because the background extras took their roles so seriously, listening to the commentary tracks the lead actors noted that the background extras/actors developed their own routines and really made the camp come to life.
It had more of a living history museum or renaissance fair vibe than that of a stale set. Everyone invovled with the project had passion for their role no matter how small.
Deadwood is the closest a TV show has gotten to reading a rich, classic work of literature, to me. I've watched the entire series three times in about as many years.
Both shows are at the top but Deadwood’s dialogue has a deliberate rhythm to it that is unmatched. If you get on it’s wave length you’re in for a treat. I watch it at least once a year and never grow tired of it.
David Milch the creator details his thought process on the rhythm of the dialogue and the push back he got with use of obscenity here: youtu.be/F2qk7W8_KLE?si=LxeRNs2N_-kzKiGb&t=1196 (20:01) Once he’s done answering that question (around 29:00) i’d stop watching if you haven’t seen Deadwood as there are spoilers later in the talk.
Right, I think he had a lot more in the tank that we never got to see.
For years I was upset that Deadwood never had a fourth season. When I learned more about Milch and listened to his recent memoir that came out in 2022 I was just glad those first 3 seasons made it to air.
Many people don’t survive all the drugs, family problems and a gambling addiction that he had going for him.
It would be cool to see the alternative universe where the other frat member becomes president or the one where Deadwood doesn’t get cancelled but this one could be a lot worse really.
Idris Elba started out on it. As did Dominic West (Prince Charles in The Crown), and Aidan Gillen (Littlefinger in Game of Thrones). And Michael Kenneth Williams had some choice parts, he was always great.
I finally gave in and watched it after multiple independent recommendations from people who had strong educated opinions on quality nuanced literature and media. The last series sort of declined a bit, but overall I was in no way disappointed. It was exceptionally well done, and importantly for me, not too watered down with tired tropes, stereotyped single dimensional characters, painfully predictable plots and neatly tidied moral threads.
I mean, there were definitely some, but, it's TV. It holds up extremely well even with age.
If doctors (or pharmacists) want the choice to impose their own religion on their patients, then at minimum need need to disclose that before ever meeting a patient. Additionally it would disqualify them from accepting any patients that are subsidized with taxpayer money.
This could act like the Surgeon General’s warning on a pack of cigarettes:
WARNING: this physician acts with their own religion in mind before your well being. This could be a danger to your health.
Except it doesn;t. Right now, roughly 20% of all hospitals in the US are owned by a religion; most are Catholic, and about 1/4 of them are ‘some other religion’. That is up from 12% is 1995. What that means is that, in many cases–especially when it’s an emergency–you won’t have any choice at all except to accept religion-tainted healthcare.
I’ve lived in places where the only option covered by my insurance was religions.
It’s becoming a religion issue as Catholic groups take over more and more hospitals, because they’re going to eliminate health care for things that are against their religious principles.
IMO healthcare should not be permitted to have religion interfering.
I don't understand why this is even allowed. If someone had a religious opposition to consuming or enabling the consumption (cooking, serving, etc) of certain foods -- shellfish, pork, sweets during lent, meat in general, whatever -- that person could not reasonably expect to get a job in a restaurant where that food is regularly served. Like, if a waiter showed up for work at a steakhouse one day and refused to touch any plate with meat on it on religious grounds, no one would be on that waiter's side when there are vegan restaurants that waiter could have applied to instead.
Doctors are held to a different standard because... the mental gymnastics say it's totally fine when it's a woman being denied service I guess?
If these healthcare "professionals" only want to treat men like they deserve humane care, they should be in a field more suited to their preferences.
Failing that, yes, I agree with your comment entirely.
Analogies are tools to assist understanding, and having opposition debate the analogies themselves instead of the actual points they're used to make is a sign of a weak rebuttal.
So let's ignore all the haggling over the analogy and bring it back to the broader point: People should not be in jobs which their personal beliefs prevent doing significant or important aspects of. And equality between genders is objectively an important aspect of health care. These "professionals" should not be in the health care field at all, save perhaps male-focused care fields like prostate or testicular health.
I’m going to try again (and you know, maybe I’m just wrong but here’s what I’m seeing).
There are doctors in the medical field already, with specific beliefs that may be sexist but are not generally speaking, sexist people. There is also a shortage of doctors.
Do we really want to throw out an entire doctor (that takes years of training) because they don’t want to do a particular procedure?
There is a secondary point of when is refusal to do a procedure sexism or religion vs genuine medical objection to the harms caused (in their medical opinion).
There is an additional point where I fundamentally think legal compulsion is a terrible tool in a free society and should be used as an absolute last resort.
When it comes down to something as sensitive as medicine, I’d rather my doctor be on board or I find a different doctor vs my doctor being compelled to do something they don’t believe in or outright having no doctor to go to because … there aren’t enough.
There’s also the possibility (and it seems like in the video) that the Roe v Wade issue is also making this doctor far more skiddish even in New York State. We really haven’t heard his side and that really is an important perspective.
Surely there’s somebody else this woman could see as well? There’s no way this guy is the only one that knows about these medications and maybe another doctor would like to use a different medication anyways. There are plenty of other cases of doctors saying “you’re fine” to people regardless of gender or sex and them needing to see a different doctor before getting the right treatment.
I originally went after your analogy because it’s so beyond comparison. You might as well make an analogy between a rocket scientist and a scientologist. There are so many layers of nuance here. Driving politics into medical decisions is part of how we got here … is adding more complex “do I need a lawyer (to do what I believe is the best practice)” to a doctor’s practice really a good idea?
That presumably kind of worked for racism but I still can’t imagine the truly racist doctors were giving their best service; like we didn’t just say “you must see black patients or leave medicine” and then the problems were fixed. There are plenty of black people alive today that still distrust the institution of medicine – including my neighbor who refused to get vaccinated because he doesn’t trust doctors – because of what’s been done in the past.
Don’t get it either. I am sure it is quite possible to be a doctor and not be involved with abortion. I am an engineer and I have strong objections to working on military stuff, so I don’t work for military contractors. Other ones don’t so they do.
The people refusing are openly stating that it is because of their religious beliefs. If they try to hide it then it will become apparent very quickly when their opinion always ends up with something other than the thing they oppose.
No, they should have their medical license revoked. Doctors have to swear an oath to not intentionally or knowingly harm a patient for a reason, because their well being is their top priority. If they can’t adhere to that oath because of arbitrary religious/philosophical/political/whatever beliefs, then they have no business being a medical professional.
I agree. A doctor putting their own religious beliefs over established medical science and the well being of their patient is completely against the Hippocratic Oath.
Unfortunately, the original Hippocratic oath that many doctors swear to includes a line about not performing abortions or prescribing abortifacients.
It is my understanding that, at the time that version of the oath was written, that was less a prohibition of abortion and more a matter of pregnancy and abortion being under the purview of midwives, not physicians.
To that point, I wrote my own medical oath that I will hold to because I think that things like autonomy, free choice, and dignity in death are actually important.
Thank you for clarifying, I did not know that about the Hippocratic Oath. I think it’s really cool that you wrote your own Oath. Thank you for your empathy and service to humankind.
The medical school I’m currently in is an Osteopathic school that leans pretty hard into the Christian traditions/origins of osteopathy, so it’s not terribly uncommon for me to get into philosophical and ethical arguments with my classmates and professors. There are a bunch of them that I know that I’ll never change their minds about most things, but the others who listen in to those arguments might be swayed or at least given a seed of doubt to explore further.
We could start our own list. When I say “we” I mean someone else, because I’m both not smart enough to build that, and not in the right place in the world.
Based on what I’ve read in r/childfree, it’s far more common than not for doctors to prioritize the needs of a hypothetical husband or fetus over those of a real live woman. I’ve also known someone in real life who couldn’t get a painful medical condition fixed until her mid 30s because the treatment caused sterility. The problem goes way beyond religion; it’s more a matter of institutional sexism and the hubris of doctors thinking they know better than any woman who says she doesn’t want kids.
I’ve been to several different OBs trying to solve my almost-two-year-long-period and every single one of them refuses to do anything for me. I’m just “too young” for them to stop me from having kids one day. And giving me a hysterectomy is “too dangerous” and “risky” when my life isn’t in danger. It doesn’t matter that I’ve tried everything they suggest. Try it again!! It’s so fucking tiring.
I’ve just given up paying the constant doctor fees to see asshole doctors anymore and just figure I’ll either stop having the problem eventually or I’ll be “old enough” (40 maybe?) to finally get surgery… It’s all a nightmare, especially in the religious south…
I’d check with a women’s group or Planned Parenthood for a doctor recommendation. They might know some sane ones.
Having been married to a sane one, I do know they’re spectacularly gunshy of affecting a woman’s fertility because it can get them sued into the ground if they do something like that to someone that someday wants kids. And patients lie, so when you tell a doctor that you don’t want kids, they assume you’re going to change your mind. And I’m not sure if there’s a disclosure you can sign that would hold up in court if you changed your mind one day. So there’s that.
I might try this! I haven’t tried Planned Parenthood yet.
Honestly I feel like I’ve tried everything to make them listen!! I’ve brought my wife with me to the appointments!! I’ve mentioned that I first brought up hysterectomies at 17 when I suffered from multi-week periods! I’ve mentioned I’m asexual and that I’m married and never even had sex so I don’t see kids in the future!
But I do get that doctors have to worry about the liars. I can get why it’s important to have the option to sue a doctor who wronged you but I wish there really was an intensive disclosure you could just do rather than run around until you find a doctor who’s willing to trust you not to regret it. It sucks all around.
Wow, all it took for me was a gay man clutching my testicles during a five minute conversation about how vasectomies aren’t really reversible for me to get clipped. I was only 30 years old
Can you find a doctor near you in the list in the r/childfree sidebar? That’s how I found mine, and she’s great. Good luck to you, I hope things turn out better. I’m sorry this is a thing :(
my friend was having enormous clots come out during her horrifically long periods, losing the amount of blood that was actually making her anemic and causing her problems, and they still didn't want to do anything because she was only in her 30s. thankfully she finally found a doctor who was like 'wow yeah you need that thing taken out of there its killing you' and she got it removed, but the fact she had to go through all that stress and pain to find anyone who would help her is absurd.
r/childfree has a list of providers by state that regularly provide hysterectomies. I recommend checking it out, and when you call for an appointment, say that you want a consultation for a hysterectomy and don’t say anything else. I saw one of the providers from that list and she agreed that a hysterectomy was appropriate for me (31 years old, no kids) in part because of how horrible my periods are when I’m not on continuous hormonal birth control. The only reason we didn’t schedule the surgery right then and there is because the Depo shot is working for the moment and she was concerned about how the recovery from surgery would affect my ability to study for medical school and board exams.
I actually tried three different providers from the childfree subreddit. One ended up refusing me entirely due to no insurance (I’m in Georgia and Medicaid hasn’t been expanded yet. Though there was a mini-expansion this year.) and another actually worked with me over the phone for around 2 months without making me go to an appointment and pay just to see if I had enough… “evidence” or something that they could sign off on a hysterectomy. They ended up telling me I’d need to at least re-try several things first. I couldn’t afford the surgery plus 5+ visits several hours away. The third closest option from the childfree list was in another state and couldn’t see me unless I had their state insurance coverage.
I’m trying the Depo shot now from the health department but it hasn’t helped at all. Thank you though! It’s a long road ahead.
Edit: The provider who worked with me over the phone did offer me an ablation but they couldn’t guarantee that it would fix the issues and it would cost me my entire hysterectomy savings fund so I just couldn’t justify it. I may have the term “ablation” wrong because I remember I spoke in depth about it and one other very similar procedure… Either way they were very nice at least and I can see why they are on the list.
Yeah, healthcare in this country is a hot mess in a lot of ways. Something that could help push it in the direction of getting coverage is if you have any family history of things like uterine fibroids, or gynecological cancers. It’s a pretty straightforward thing on the paperwork end of things if cancer prophylaxis is on the list of reasons.
Another thing you could consider in this capitalist hellscape is signing up for a plan off the ACA that has a deductible similar to or less than your savings. That way you would wipe out the deductible immediately, have access to more providers, and have some semblance of coverage for the rest of the year.
“Too risky” is such bullshit anyway. My OBGYN said that at my age (22), the only risks (aside from potential complications that come with ANY surgery) were a slightly early menopause (couple years max) and higher chance of vaginal prolapse (but that they put supports in place and there are things that can be done to correct this if it occurs)
Right?? That’s pretty much what it seemed like to me too. No doctor really wanted to go into it except one mentioned that “any surgery with anesthesia can be dangerous!” and I remember I ditched that doctor on the first visit. I think a lot of it is rural areas have… less than great doctors.
Most of my doctor hopping was at least 9 months ago now so it all kinda just blurs together now.
Claiming this is due to religion isn’t accurate. This happens all the time due to plain old misogyny. Women have a tough time getting proper medical treatment at all, not just when it overlaps with religious fruitcakes.
I mean it’s pretty easy. It doesn’t make a good marketing campaign for atheism, but the correlation between education and irreligion seems to be causal the other way. Being irreligious leads one towards more education, but becoming educated does not lead one away from religion… Getting a physics degree or medical degree just does not make you less religious.
One thing people leave out is that there is a LOT to religion and spirituality. Christianity, for example, is not entirely defined in terms of rejecting evolution. That’s just a (tiny) part of their beliefs. When you start in a science-denying religion (worst-case scenario), it’s still only a small percent of your beliefs that contradict the science. So some people stay believers and deny the contradictory science… others stay believers “except the science”.
Many people adhere to non-science-denying religions. So while they are naturally less likely to pick a science major, if they DO pick a science major, nothing in it will knock them out of their faith.
That’s true, I witnessed it firsthand, and it’s still baffling to me. Going for a degree in biblical studies and apologetics at a religious university whose draconian fundamentalist views I fully aligned with when I entered is ironically what caused me to actually question the “biblical inerrancy” doctrinal belief.
Reminds me of
Very few people come out of law school sovereign citizens.
Because medicine doesn’t require you to be atheistic and after a while some really need something that can provide hope however irrational that might be?
The human mind is something else. I work with so many skydaddy fearing engineers. Utterly freaken brilliant people without which civilization ends in fire and feces.
I was struggling with Biology for my associates degree back in 2007. I happened to teach Tae Kwon Do to the daughter of one of the state university Biology professors (I was only in community College at the time) and I asked the mom to tutor me.
And goddamn. As smart as she was regarding Biology, she bought into Christianity hook, line, and sinker (her husband was a pastor).
All Cops are Bastards, All Judges are Bastards, All Prosecutors are Bastards.
The entire fucking “justice” system is tilted towards forgiving and enabling right-wing violence while labeling left-wing protest as “terrorism” that justifies lethal force.
Ooh, that’s good. I’ll update my vocabulary, the way I did when I started referring to people as “pro birth”, because they certainly don’t deserve to be called “pro life”.
All Cops are Bastards, All Judges are Bastards, All Prosecutors are Bastards.
The entire fucking “justice” system is tilted towards forgiving and enabling right-wing violence while labeling left-wing protest as “terrorism” that justifies lethal force.
Sweet Jesus the amount of extremist propaganda that’s gets peddled these days is mind boggling. To think people like this think they’re better than the people brainwashed by Fox and friends…
Judge: I asked my caddie’s chauffeur what a bank was, and he said it was a place poor people store money that isn’t properly invested. Therefor, robbing a bank is tantamount to that most heinous of crimes; theft of money!
Adding to this. The judge said “It engenders the same fear that January 6 does.” So if this crime is just as bad Jan 6, shouldn’t he be getting the same punishment as other Jan 6 traitors. Like you said, a shorter sentence. Not saying I agree with the judge but pick a side.
So the people who screamed about the scary, scary BLM protesters rioting due to what they (rightly) viewed as a miscarriage of justice now think rioting should happen because of what they (wrongly) view as a miscarriage of justice.
And if they make that argument, I’ll tell them that means they believe people are “guilty until proven innocent” and don’t deserve a trial by a jury of their peers, which is as unAmerican an idea as you can get.
Not going to be useful. They don’t want a democracy, they don’t want a justice system. They want a king and the ability to use state power to shit on other people.
Trust me, I am in Indiana. I’m surrounded by these flag-waving morons. You call them unAmerican and they lose their shit. And all I have to do is pull up the Bill of Rights.
No argument from me. As the person above said, they don’t want a democracy or a justice system. They are as bad a citizen you can get without actively sending classified information to a rival power.
They are all members of the cult, just sadly the majority of them don’t realize they are. This is David Koresh on steroids! He has a platform previous cults did not, and has captured a political party to use for recruitment. It has become apparent that at some point the media and the country need to start treating his cult as such, and we need to figure out how to “rescue” millions of people that would do anything for their cult leader because they have broken all tethers to reality. Putting the cult leader in jail is not going to bring these people back, and is going to require mental health resources on a scale the US (and the world) has never had to deal with before. This is going to have repercussions for generations.
They’re downright bad people too. They dont get to do a few good deeds while trying to use political power to do away with human life and human rights without being called the moster they are.
They took their first (arguably second after Charlottesville or the Bible photo op BS) shot on Jan 6. Don’t think there won’t be a second attempt. They view this guy as a messiah and they view themselves as religious. Him not getting what they want is a dangerous combination. He’s already shown the “greater good” has no place in his world.
Literally everything. They’re afriad of Land Back because they fear the Native peoples will take the land the same way the founders of America took it. They’re afraid of equality because they think when Black people do better it must mean they themselves will be worse off because they cant imagine wealth without exploitation, the way they used to make wealth for themselves.
It’s kind of wild actually. When Trump talks about this case being “fixed,” and the judge as being “corrupt,” he’s telling us exactly what’s going on in his other trial with Trump appointee and person with no prior trial experience (if I recall correctly) before being appointed to her seat on (looks at notes) huh, the “United States District Court for the Southern District of Florida.”
Yes. That’s literally the platform. They say whatever they have to to cover their asses because all they really care about it being able to do whatever they want while forcing everyone else to do live by their rules.
They don’t care when you point this out because that is their goal. They’re shameless about it.
The thing I think is the most irreconcilable, incompromisable, consistently demonstrated behavior of The Right in America is the blatant hypocrisy about nearly all of their planks. It’s the thing that, when the next civil war comes, will allow me to pull the trigger on anyone wearing a red baseball cap with little remorse.
Everyone needs guns to defend themselves from The State, because 2A! (Except for black people defending themselves from no-knock entry cops who got the address wrong)
The government shouldn’t be allowed to tell us how to live! (Except for LGBTQ* people, women’s choices about their own bodies, or homeless people)
The Constitution is sacrosanct! (Except for the part about separation of church and state, we just ignore that part)
It’s the same for their every. Single. Position. It makes me weary, and furious, depressed and pessimistic.
Except for black people defending themselves from no-knock entry cops who got the address wrong
Don’t forget Philando Castile, a legal gun owner who did exactly what the NRA said you should do when pulled over with a gun in the car and got shot. The NRA made barely a peep about it. Can’t imagine white.
Fuck the NRA. The majority of gun owners who aren’t NRA tit suckin cop fuckers, still are pissed about that injustice, same with Breonna Taylor and Kenneth Walker. Anyone suggesting the police are there for them and want to disarm us all, these cases and a bunch more like them, are why we say fuck no.
While I personallywould prefer a constitutional amendment that overrides the 2nd, I’m not giving up my guns until the cops are no longer armed criminals, and you’re never getting my crossbows.
Castile wasn’t the last of it, either. Roger Fortson recently was gunned down for simply having a gun. He was not brandishing or pointing it at anyone. It was a very similar situation, just not a vehicle stop.
It won’t stop until someone makes it stop. Qualified Immunity has got to fucking go.
Yeah, well, if they’re still wearing that shit during an active civil war - I mean, we’re taking about Phillies fans, so no great loss.
(Note: I lived on The Mainline for 20 years, so I think I’m allowed some ribbing. Phillies fans not only regularly trash Philadelphia in drunken riots after games, they also came to my new state and totally trashed Minneapolis while they were here. I don’t believe there’s a worse bunch of hooligans in the States.)
I wish I could after on the guns things but I should not own a gun! I have a history of depression and I super don’t want to have easy access.
That said, put a gun in my hands and I’ll do my part to end fascism. I’m even a fairly decent shot for having only fired a gun 3 different times. Just please take the thing away from me when I rotate out.
Better yet, get me an fpv headset.
When I joined the militia I had promised myself to kill one Fascist – after all, if each of us killed one they would soon be extinct… -George Orwell, Homage to Catalonia
I’m not advocating anyone buy a gun, mind you. My general opinion on guns is the same about cars: the only person I truly trust to operate one is me; the rest of all y’all are just generally unreliable.
That said: get a long gun. Any non-Bulpup rifle with a 20” or longer barrel - it’s really hard to commit suicide with a long rifle. You can find a way, sure, but there are far easier, more reliable ways to off yourself than trying to figure out how to pull a trigger you can’t reach when the bangy end is pointed at your head. And the knowledge that most people who try doing this end up still alive but permanently mangled and with reduced faculties may drive you to seek those alternative methods.
Another plus for a rifle is that it’s simply a better weapon for killing fascists. We have a lot of evidence that handguns are almost never used in armed conflicts. They’re far less powerful than rifles (in general), and their effective ranges are drastically shorter. Get a cheap optic, do some practice shooting, and you’ll be better armed and prepared than any open-carry idiot running around armed only with their trusty Colt M1911 with official Trump pistol grips.
I really wish that last part was a joke.
I don’t mean to come across as minimizing mental health issues. I also can’t prevent you from trying to off yourself. All that said, I hope you are able to get help, and get healthy.
Hey thanks, this is an idea that I hadn’t thought much about and I’ll have to consider it. I also need consider storage and how to get to a range without a car but those things are workable.
As for my mental health, I’m doing well and feel in a good place all around. I got married a year and a half ago and have a stable life. I’m doing good. This will have to be a process if I’m going to buy a rifle but your arguments have opened me to the idea.
Glad to hear you’re in a more stable place! I know it’s a constant struggle; rarely do people just “get better” and never gave issues again, but I’m glad that you’re on top of it.
Open carry is legal almost everywhere in the US. You could literally put a sling on it, strap it on your back, and ride your bike to the range. If you shoot a common caliber, you can buy ammo when you get there (assuming it’s a range in or near a store). You’d need to check your local laws about what you need to do to open carry a gun and ammunition; like, can you have it in a protective case?
I feel like this is an example of the dangers of surrounding yourself with a monoculture. Maybe Elon was always exactly this way, but he was seemingly previously tempered by the notably distinct moderation policies at Twitter. Once he owned it and stripped that moderation, there’s nothing holding the pendulum anymore and he swings pretty far the other direction.
I can’t tell which is the bigger influence but he has certainly gone down the right wing rabbit hole and also insulated himself from all critique as a billionaire who has everyone he talks to regularly on his payroll or otherwise benefitting from him. A bad mix.
I've noticed that a lot of these people will lean left for a minute, because they hope that it will get them a get out of jail free card for being problematic in specific ways.
They find out quickly that the left doesn't do that. I can support your stance on XYZ while still disliking you and not wanting to do business with you because of ABC.
So then they switch to regressive stances, because those people will cheer you on for being awful.
Same thing happened to Reagan. He created the EPA as an executive agency to avoid Congress creating and empowering an independent entity that the executive wouldn't be able to control. He thought it would get him votes from the left. It did not, and he pretty much immediately stated that he regretted it because lefties didn't buy his bs.
Same thing happened to Reagan. He created the EPA as an executive agency to avoid Congress creating and empowering an independent entity that the executive wouldn’t be able to control. He thought it would get him votes from the left. It did not, and he pretty much immediately stated that he regretted it because lefties didn’t buy his bs.
Wait, what?
The EPA was created by Nixon in 1970, 10 years before Reagan was elected.
It’s an independent government agency, to this day. The administrator is appointed by the executive branch and approved by the Senate, but it’s not an official cabinet position nor part of the executive branch (but frequently involved in cabinet meetings).
Reagan tried to dismantle it by appointing Anne Gorsuch, who was very pro-business and anti-“big government”. She ended up slashing their budget by 22% and was held in comtempt of Congress for refusing to provide subpoenaed documents explaining why.
And Reagan won reelection in one of the largest landslides in US history in 1984.
Maybe he was always this way and not public about it, but things changed for the worse right around when his trans daughter came out.
Between that and covid I think he went down a rabbit hole further entrenching things and turned into a MAGA type as that rabbit hole does to those that go down it.
And now he won’t even listen when his brother and the chair of the board of Tesla tells him he’s hurting the brand.
Edit: just to clarify, “the woke mind virus” is what thinks took his daughter away, and now he is hellbent on destroying it, not realizing it’s him who’s been infected by hate and bigotry
You might always lean a certain way, but before, he maybe didn’t really care about trans people one way or another. As soon as his daughter came out as trans though he becomes faced with a choice.
Some people when they are faced with the choice, even if they might seem like they’d go against their child, don’t.
He doubled down unfortunately and made the wrong choice.
He doubled down unfortunately and made the wrong choice.
No, that’s not the choice he made. The status quo rewarded Phony Stark for being a right-wing douchebag - long before he even had a daughter . He chose to remain a right-wing douchebag because he was rewarded for it. He simply made the choice the vast majority of the rich either has made or will eventually make.
So once he wouldn’t get in trouble for openly being a bigot, he openly became a bigot?
He owes his entire life to apartheid and slavery in all senses that matter. And even when he was everyone’s hero and a real life Tony Stark, he threw a temper tantrum when divers chose to rescue children and not stroke his ego. To the point he accused one of the divers of pedophilia, ran an investigation, and used a team of lawyers to protect himself from any consequences.
And why democracy is important as a form of error correction. People can have their opinions, and inevitably we all get things wrong (magnitude of things we get wrong varies a lot). But when someone has a large concentration of power we all have to deal with the fallout from their malfunction. Companies the size and import of Twitter, Facebook, Reddit should be democratically controlled, some kind of cooperative.
Fully agreed. The authoritarian institution of shareholders and CEOs makes large companies prone to arrogance and short-term decision-making, democratic control of these large companies would make the economy much healthier.
There are days I wait for it, but I imagine one of these days the top is going to pop on South Africa and we are going to not like the skeletons we find there.
Wait do you mean any day now we could be confronted with the revelation that South African mining companies under apartheid weren’t exactly top of the class in business ethics? But how
They got rich the same way rich people everywhere get rich - by exploiting impoverished and disempowered labor to the max. The only difference with the Apartheid-regime (to whom Elon owes his riches) was that they were pretty overt when it came to who it was that got to be the impoverished and disempowered labor.
To be clear… that hasn’t really changed all that much in South Africa. But, then again, it hasn’t really changed in the US, either.
He didn’t get rich from the emerald mine. Its a real thing, but he only made around 400k (in 2021 dollars) on his roughly 200k investment. He didn’t own it either.
Any actual riches were something else.
Not to say that 200k is nothing, but it’s not the source of any rich level money his father had.
You guys are 31 trillion in debt. You aren't rich, you're just borrow money you can't pay back and keep increasing your debt limit.
It's nice spending money that's not yours until the lenders get fed up about the lack of payments and you default and go into bankruptcy. I cannot wait until the US debt situation explodes, watching from half way around the world.
And yes I'm aware pretty much every nation is in debt, but not to the extent the US is. But the US is by far the most in the hole.
I don't know why Americans think they're hot shit. You're literally just an echo chamber the rest of the world laughs at.
The worst part is the US is in so much debt but it’s citizens see none of the benefits of that spent money.
I think your downvotes are from fucking liberals that think the US has regained international respect because their team is now in charge. MAGA or BlueMAGA are cut from the same cloth as Republicans and Democrats.
This statement is trying to go for neutrality in the same way that asking a woman clutching a black eye “What did you say to him?” is just gathering information.
That is: it’s not, we see through it, and we’re tired of it.
It’s so fucking strange too. It’s like they brought this new TV and they’ll be damned if they’re going to be told it doesn’t work as well as advertised. I would think we could all unite about this, and we could show the world that not even the president can evade justice. But instead they’re still selling him hard.
Republicans: {smacks Donald’s ass} “This baby here can fuck up at least 10 democracies.”
A big part of many Republicans’ mindsets seem to be “how dare you tell me I’m wrong! Just for that, I’m going to double down!” Like I’ve seen it in things as petty as Republicans being told they’re using a comma the wrong way and then continuing to use it that way out of spite.
Bit of an aside, but one the smartest things I've ever done was after my dad brought his new TV and had just hooked it up, I quickly used the parental controls to delete Fox News from the channel lineup while he was looking away. He never even noticed, and he's in a much better mental state now.
Ever hear of the documentary “The Brainwashing Of My Dad”
It details how a sweet man became a monster when he started watching Fox, and went back to normal when the family intervened and stopped him from watching it.
It’s a recurring thing, people become terrible when they watch Fox, they snap out of it when access to Fox is blocked.
People treat political parties like sports teams, taking credit for all their victories while distancing themselves personally from every loss. WE won vs THEY blew it. I my anecdotal experience it’s especially bad on the right. Most conservative voters I know proudly say they’re a Republican but liberal voters will only say they vote Democrat, not that they are one.
That oft repeated claim of parallelism between the US Democrats and the CPC might have been more true in the past. I think there are significant differences nowadays as Poilievre plays with populist rhetoric and policy ideas. Considering the voting base the CPC is attempting to court, I’m not sure those two political parties are really in the same boat.
The outcome of FPTP-voting is naturally a two party system, the ancient wealthy romans designed it so deliberately in order for them to easily manipulate regardless of election outcomes to maintain their wealth and power. Everywhere it is used politics degenerate into voters being reduced to pick between “business as usual” and “tax cuts for the rich.” Wealthy donors play both horses and don’t really care about the outcome except when some progressive candidate appears and they find themselves forced to run some interference behind the scenes to help even the odds back to the usual bread and circus’ that they prefer.
We watched Trump go on national TV before the election and asked Russia to help him win the election. A foreign hostile country was invited to interfere with our democracy.
And Russia complied. That day.. How anyone thinks Trump and his supporters aren't traitors is mine boggling.
And then a number is Republicans went to Moscow on the 4th of July a few years later. I've never seen such an obvious case of someone's handler making a statement.
After Crimea was invaded by Russia? Later when he was trying to convince everyone Russia was going to do exactly what they did last year? “setting the stage for war” is something you do before a war.
yes he will be first against the wall, mainly because he spoke out about them, the self purging doesn’t start until after the fascist takeover.
and yes an.6 was an attempt to depose the democratically elected government, and yes it had planning, why do you think they had the gallows put up so fast? why do you think the people who broke in were armed and had cable ties? you know, the ones literally caught on video
America needs a new conservative party so that the republicans who are still sane don’t feel like crazy town is their only option to avoid being disenfranchised.
Jezus America are you ok? So about half your country are traitors as far as the other half is concerned? I’m not condemning or anything but fighting amongst yourselves like this is not going to work either.
It’s not half, more like about 1/3, but it’s also a little more complicated than that. Basically it’s all the fault of the first past the post voting system. Because of that, the only winning strategy is a two party system, any party beyond the main two only functions as a spoiler for one of the two. As such, a lot of different policies that aren’t really connected in any way end up mashed sort of arbitrarily into one of those two parties. Republicans due to events in the Nixon presidency ended up latching onto evangelical Christians, policies that favor the rich at the expense of the poor and middle class (usually spun as fiscally responsible), and racists (lots of overlap between evangelical Christians and racists, so that’s almost redundant). Over the years the economic policies have gotten a fresh coat of paint by way of the debunked trickle down economics theory which was used as a rallying cry to oppose any regulations such as environmental and pollution controls, or policies that favored the public at the expense of corporations because the “free market” would solve all problems. Democrats then embraced essentially the opposite of all of those positions, so wound up with socially progressive policies almost by default as reactions to the policies being pushed by the racists. This is for instance how Democrats ended up being pro-choice, as the Republicans had taken an anti-abortion stance at the urging of the extreme elements of their Christian demographic.
Ironically we’ve come full circle now with Republicans ending up with many policies by default in reaction to policies being pushed by Democrats. The Republicans of today are mostly defined not by any particular policy or goal other than their historical ones and a broad opposition to all policies pushed by Democrats. They general don’t have a stance on a policy until they hear what the Democrats position will be at which point they take up whatever the opposite of that is. This is part of how Republicans ended up as the party of the gun nut. The Democrats in the late 80s and early 90s attempted to pass some gun regulations which angered the largest gun manufacturer lobbying group, the NRA, who then spent the decades since then painting the Democrats as wanting to repeal the second amendment and disarm the American public. This in turn has led the Republicans to fully embrace removing and opposing any regulations on guns.
As the generations that grew up in a segregation era US are dying off though the Republicans are finding themselves with increasingly diminished support for their racist policies. Compounding that is that decades of free market policies and consistent push back and removal of regulations has demonstrated that the “free market will sort it out” claims are complete bullshit and just leads to things getting worse, not better, at least to anyone who has been remotely paying attention. As a result we’ve recently seen the Republicans pivot to embrace anti-diversity policies such as opposition to pro-LGBTQ policies (once again driven at least initially by their religious extremists) as well as policies designed to white-wash past racism and push a revisionist American history that paints the American civil war as primarily being motivated by disagreements about the structure of the US government rather than about opposition to ending slavery.
Forty years ago the Republicans were an even mix of racists and conservative economic policies. These days they’re mostly just the racists and a small minority of true believers in trickle down economics. Since they no longer have the numbers to win elections legitimately they’ve increasingly embraced various anti-democratic policies that allow them to retain control. Until recently, relatively “normal” tricks like gerrymandering and voter suppression in conjunction with a generally lukewarm support for Democrats (who have had their own issues of late, mostly around running profoundly milquetoast candidates) have allowed the minority of Republicans to maintain control. Now that even that no longer appears to be enough to keep them in power they’re increasingly turning to outright illegal activities like voter fraud and as we saw on the 6th, insurrection. While not every person who votes Republican takes part in or even supports such illegal activities, it’s quickly approaching the point at which they will need to confront the fact that those tactics have become a core part of their parties policies, so continued support for the party is tacit approval of such tactics. Many of them no doubt will continue to support the Republican party under a ends justifies the means stance, but hopefully the misguided ones who legitimately believe in trickle down economics can be convinced that such tactics are a bridge too far.
And will only get even more bolder as a consequence. It’s quite fascinating how that shit head is exposing so many flaws in the current political system. And yet very little is done about it.
I wish it were only the political system, but it is also the social contract that is being broken.
Not everything in a society can and should be regulated by law. For example, we know not to cough or sneeze in someone else’s face, but to put our arm or hand in front of our face. It’s not a law and yet 99% of people know it and do it and call out people who don’t.
The US political system worked well for a while because there were do’s and don’ts that weren’t made into law, but every politician respected them to some degree. The GOP no longer respects anyone or anything, not an unwritten rule or even a written law, but they want to be respected, they want their rights to be respected.
This is not just happening in the US, I see it happening in the UK and Germany for example. Basic respect for each other is being lost more and more, between families, between neighbours, even between politicians. How do you get that back?
We don’t know how to deal with it as a society. We can’t have a law for everything. We depend on people and politicians to keep within the minimum social rules and follow an unwritten code, and we have nothing to punish them if they don’t and they just ignore these rules and spit on them.
It’s a double edged sword to build up this much shit. We saw with the court cases that nothing happened until one person decided to make a move. After that, the indictments came flooding in.
Someone needs to be willing to be the first one to throw his orange ass in jail for obstruction of justice and witness intimidation. But after that first person moves, I think we’ll see everyone move, and it’ll all collapse on him.
It’s certainly a flaw though, as you point out. Needing one brave person to stick their neck out to maintain rule of law isn’t great.
Stop white washing this shithead. He was a horrible person who was perfectly fine persecuting others BUT THE FUCKING IMSTANT IT CAME BACK ON HIM HE OFFED HIMSELF.
Are you kidding me!? “He had to be part of the anti-LGBTQ party because of where he lived”. Fuck out of here with that nonsense. I deleted my longer comment, let me sum it to for you:
He didn’t have to live in Alabama
He didn’t have to be part of the anti-LGBTQ+ (or any) party
He didn’t have have to run for political office
He didn’t have to engage in crossdressing
If any of those conflict with each other, well; life is about choices. Anything less is cowardice.
Get a grip. I asked for a source that the person, who you all are celebrating the suicide of, was actually a terrible person or partook in the persecution of others.
That was the assertion that I was responding to, and none of that was mentioned in any source in this thread besides wild assumptions by people simply for being in the republican party in a small town.
Is it implausible that perhaps this person wished to hide within the GOP to escape its suspicions about their personal life? A Democrat mayor in a deeply Republican area would attract a lot of distrust and hostility simply by virtue of being a Democrat. A Republican mayor, not so much.
Is every trans person morally obligated to leave every institution that persecutes them? Even when to do so would scrutiny?
You heard it here folks, association by organization means you did the same thing some other shitheads did.
The secretaries for concentration camps?They gassed the Jews themselves, might as well have anyways, based on that logic.
Let’s take it even further, all Germans are bad because of what Hitler did to the Jews, after all, they are ASSOCIATED with the SS, being in the same country and culture and all, they all obviously have symmetrical views because all people really believe the same thing even in a party such as the GOP.
(Don’t you dare try to pretend those analogies flew over your head, work with me here)
Grow up, it’s not about him “being a hero”, nobody here is claiming that. The fact you came to that conclusion somehow on your own is evidence enough that you are celebrating his death. Have some respect, it seems pretty clear to me that he had second thoughts atleast some point in his life about his political decisions, had no way out, and when someone threatened to take even that away, made the last mistake you can ever make on your own accord. Please have some respect just as you would wish for yourself.
(Don’t you dare try to pretend those analogies flew over your head, work with me here)
lmao I loved this part.
You have a good point, I’m starting to think I was in a hateful mood yesterday. I still don’t think this person was a hero but it’s truly very sad that they had to hide this part of their life, and were so scared of the public’s opinion that they killed themselves.
When the time comes that you are on the other end of the blade, the people you despise will show you the exact same level of mercy you showed them. Problems do not have to be solved with death and violence, suffering and misery.
People like you are exactly what’s wrong with this country, that same kind of hatred is what enables mass shooters to commit the atrocities that they commit, the same kind of hatred that allows Israel to bomb innocent civilians to fruitlessly take out ten times less that number of hamas fighters.
You have some soul searching to do, and if you find that you still have the same anger and hatred in your heart, you will never find true happiness, satisfaction, it will never be enough. You will grasp for more and more, clawing at every little thing until it consumes you and all others around you.
Who am I exactly with? Do you even know? Or are you making assumptions because you’re an angry piece of shit redditor who walked to the wrong platform to spout the bullshit that you are?
more dumb unrelated shit about “nazi apologists”
Would you please shut the fuck up about the Nazi’s? The words I am reading from your post are legitimately the stupidest fucking things I’ve ever seen on the internet.
WAAAAHHH, ME ANGRY BECAUSE ME GOT CALLED OUT FOR BEING A BLOODTHIRSTY ANGRY PIECE OF SHIT HUMAN
You don’t even know who I’m with, stop kidding yourself. You seem to still have a lot of growing up to do. Stop being a fucking baby ffs. Ironically the fact that you see things in black and white makes you similar to the Nazis.
Sounds more like you lack the intelligence to hold your own in a conversation so you’re reaching for the “you’re a nazi” card.
You realize you’re basically calling everyone who lived in Germany from the late 30’s to mid 40’s a Nazi, right? You realize how smoothbrained that is.
If you can generalize a group of people and say “they’re all basically the same” then where does that end? Do you think all Italians are the same? What about Britons? Considering the fact that you’re basically saying that all Germans from that time period are Nazis just because they lived in a country run by the Nazi party, that sounds an awful lot like racism to me.
None of those words backs up your assertion, which was that there was “no plausible alternative” to being a GOP politician in Alabama. You can’t defend it because it’s complete nonsense.
Also, I didn’t celebrate his death, and I haven’t seen anyone else do so either…
Meh sometimes people just hate someone for not understanding them. And that’s enough. You don’t always need to pretend to have a good reason for hating someone, you just decide and then one day someone asks you why, like asking about babies crying in Africa, people often prefer not to have their beliefs challenged or broken to pieces by any kind of paradigm shift
In most rural areas of the South, it’s a racial divide between which are Republican or Democrat. Where I’m from, a white person being a Democrat would be, and are, actively threatened and hurt if they voice their opinion (by white Republicans).
I love what John Oliver said on his segment about I believe Lindsay Graham.
Paraphrasing, he could have helped usher in the change that would have made his lifestyle more acceptable and more inclusive. But he wanted power.
These people choose to be a Republican. They choose to associate with a party that is actively trying to eliminate the very people they are and the sad thing is that they think they are the exception. They think the party will accept them.
And the hard, harsh truth is that they are only accepted so long as it’s convenient. I think he knew this and that’s why he chose to end his life.
It’s sad that he felt he had to do that. But I’m not holding my breath for the GOP to say that they learned a lesson from it.
Being a mayor of a small town and being a US Senator or even House Rep are two very different things. It is very likely that, despite being Republican, he did nothing to further Republicanism with the power that he did have.
Most of the time, mayors really just do small town mayor shit like approving a tree to be cut down or asking the state for a road to be fixed. They’re not usually involved with politics in the way Lindsey fucking Graham is.
You can blame that on the US’s bipartisan system rather than the multiparty system it is supposed to be.
What other option would he have, the democrats? What if there are things that they did he didn’t agree with either? 3rd party is out the window because it would take minimum 2 elections to get their candidate in office.
Plenty of options. Didn’t have to be a shaman, didn’t have to live in a sheit tier state, didn’t have to run for public office, didn’t have to support the GOP. He went up to the leopard and screamed “eat my face”.
I mean, he was 62 years old you know, not like he could just turn his life around on a dime given the position he was in.
The dude was not hurting anyone. He clearly wanted to help operate the city, you have zero chance of winning with the democratic party in the vast majority of deep south states. Being a part of a party does not mean you believe in every single view that someone in your party holds, why do you think half the GOP is trying to get rid of Trump?
And would you stop with this leopard eating shit? I have read it here like 40,000 times. Suicide isn’t a joke, this is borderline not even a story about politics FFS. Save it for actually funny shit.
I am mentioning the church. He was a leader for a denomination of Christianity infamous for the degree of its anti-LGBT stances. Decades feeding the hate machine. And I bet you anything that today they those people who said a thousand good morning to him are happy that he killed himself.
The final unavoidable conclusion of Christianity is to kill its own.
What an uneducated comment. Baptists don’t inherently mean Anti-LGBTQ, it’s a common low-church denomination which mainly subscribes to the doctrine of grace by faith alone and is characterized by the belief in credo-baptism. It’s got nothing to do with LGBTQ politics.
Jesus Christ you are something else. Fine citation needed that BAPTIST are pro-LGBT. There, can you do that now or is there some other dodge you would like to try first?
To mine, me. Jesus Christ, how did you see this going? You are going to convince me that they aren’t foaming at the mouth homophobes by trying to find some other religion that is even more so?
You can’t bullshit me on this. I have been around and attended Baptist services throughout my childhood. I know what their stance is on this issue because I have seen it. People who openly call gay people slurs I won’t repeat, who joke and celebrate HIV.
Very well. Please show me the passages that backup your claim. You can use English, been a while since I studied Greek. I will start
Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.
Is NKJV acceptable translation for you? I know the NIV is a bit more accurate so I understand if you want to use that instead.
At what point does that say to call gay people slurs and to judge them? How does this justify implementing discriminatory laws against them? It even says “and such were some of you”, showing that they were likely guilty of this at one point.
These commands also only applied to Christians. They weren’t to be enforced outside of the Church. You cited 1 Corinthians 6, however turning back a book to 1 Corinthians 5, the following is stated at verse 12&13:
What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. ‘Expel the wicked person (someone who was having sex with his father’s wife who was unrepentant and without shame) from among you.’
So basically, it’s not really a Christian’s business what non-christians do. It’s only their business to bring them to Christ. Christ can then work within them, and it will be up to a Christian to help support them in resisting temptations to commit those sins.
But the rest of the small minded fucks in his small minded town who were laughing and pointing? And the asshole who outed him? Now THAT’S a different story, and I hope their laughter becomes a curse to them.
How many of those are also hiding their sexuality/gender just because of the same reasons that you mentioned?
Im sorry for the guy that shot himself, but he was part of the problem. It doesn’t matter the reason why someone is a church goer, Trump supporter, one less of them is always good.
What he wants is immaterial. This isn't a good sign for him and the BS contrarian "bad things said about or happening to are actually good for instert-right-winger-here" is delusional coping
I agree that I like him getting booed, but my preference with narcissists is to completely ignore them. They like attention, good or bad, but cannot stand being irrelevant. Since I can’t stand narcissists, I make them irrelevant to my life.
Wow. I did not know about that. I understand that 1984 was a major contribution to society, but I have trouble reading because it’s so depressing. I even tried to watch the movie, but couldn’t pay attention for long.
While I see your point, it hinges on voting for Hunter Biden in lieu of Trump. I can’t say I would – I know little of Hunter Biden’s policy stances --, but I find it very far fetched to believe Hunter would get the nomination over another democratic politician, so it seems like the argument is pointless.
but I find it very far fetched to believe Hunter would get the nomination over another democratic politician
And Doc Brown was surprised Ronald Reagan ran. I was surprised Hillary came back in 2016 after 08, I was surprised trump was a candidate in 16, 20, and 24. I was surprised Biden was the nomine in 2020 when he’d been trying to win a presidential primary since 1988 and never made it to the general.
The party has been openly saying for like a decade they can not only rig the primary, they can just ignore results and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop them
I’m just wondering what your think will change where all of a sudden candidates stop getting worse.
And why your line for Hunter is “smoked crack, lied about it, admitted it”.
While Biden is literally funding and assisting with a genocide, while lying about it and breaking US and international law. And is committing the same human rights abuses at our border, that we all complained about when Trump did.
Like, c’mon man. It’s just crack…
You think crack is worse than genocide and human rights abuses that are in violation of US and international law?
You know that movie was a work of fiction and that was a joke, right?
Reagan had already been heavily involved in politics by 1955. He wasn’t running for office yet, but it wouldn’t have been a surprise at all. The only thing Doc Brown would have been surprised about was that Reagan supported things like nuclear escalation and was so against labor unions during his presidency.
Why ask questions about something completely irrelevsnt?
Trump’s kids were in the news because they had postitions in his administration and were potentionally going to get into politics. Hunter has zero relevance for Biden’s administration and has no interest in politics. Whether peolle would vote for Hunter is just a lame attempt to both sides completely different things.
People who think this way are either behaving irrationally or don’t understand electoral strategy. I will always vote for the better of the two candidates in the current system. If it was Trump vs Hitler, well damn, I guess I’m voting for Trump. It’s not an endorsement of anyone, it’s simply a matter of how to minimize the harm of the current system.
By the way, Trump supports genocide more than Biden, so if that’s your key issue, you should vote for Biden.
would you really not vote for him if he was the Dem nominee?
Absolutely. I prefer my lawmakers to not be convicted criminals.
Though, if your hypothetical had both candidates being convicted criminals, then I’d have to look closer at the alternatives, as well as examine how damaging the 2 criminals are likely to be going forward, shoukd they gain power.
I’m not willing to blame Biden for Netanyahu’s crimes.
There is no president in my lifetime that would have treated Israel signifigantly less kindly than the current administration has.
Lesser of two evils, right?
Yes, actually. Trump absolutely would have continued sucking up to the Israeligovernment, rather than attempting to have the combatants negotiate a cease fire.
And if your choice was Trump or Biden? What a stupid hypothetical “Hunter or Joe”. Come on out and directly say you’ll support Trump. All your word salad is basically saying “vote for Trump” or “don’t bother voting because both sides”.
I don’t think your examples work. Hillary Clinton was also previously a Senator and Secretary of State, so she had experience in national politics. Joe Biden was Vice President and a Senator so he also had decades of experience.
Currently republicans are supporting terrible candidates, have been for decades…
but expect Democrats to support terrible candidates?
We’re currently running someone breaking US and international laws by providing munitions that are being used ina genocide…
Someone that even went around Congress to avoid a delay of just a couple days.
In my eyes, Hunter is the lesser of two evils when comparing him and his dad.
So I was hoping to understand why people say they’d never vote for a (recovered btw) crack addict.
Like, finally you all really think what Hunter did years ago is worse than what Joe is doing today?
Im not getting answers, just insults.
Which is disappointing, but not surprising anymore.
The right wings of both parties seem to have went off the deep end a long time ago. Which would be fine, except they were both driving the bus when they did it
Because using felony convictions to punish people can easily be weaponized against minorities. They can also be ignored when it comes to rich white guys.
It’s just a trailer option for the cybertruck that’s basically a stationary 700hp engine idling without a muffler. It’s not generating power, just smoke.
I mean, it’s been just long enough so that Gen Z can just start calling Millennials Boomers and placing the blame all on them… which won’t be wrong either. Overall, Millennials didn’t change how they lived to account for things like climate change. They didn’t stand together as a society and reduce waste. I’m as guilty as anyone else, but its cyclic and Millennials just got caught in the absolute dog shit part of the cycle where we were blamed all growing up, and will be blamed on the way to our deathbeds.
Cyclical but unjust. I already feel bad for the shit millennials will eventually get. They had none of the money or power to prevent anything. Yeah, “standing together” could have theoretically done something, but it would have required a degree of sustained (by which I mean decades), disciplined effort that very large groups of humans aren’t capable of. Hell, just by looking at the cost of living, anyone can see that millennials are having a hard time simply affording to survive.
Oh I agree wholeheartedly. I wasn’t meant to be bashing millennials, but rather pointing out that Gen Z will have sadly valid complaints, even if it doesn’t justify it because millennials never really had political control during our lives to speak of, partially because of how dwarfed we continued to be by Boomers, as a generation. Gen Z only outnumbers them because so many of them finally started dying. Millennials never had a chance, just like Gen X, who is just forgotten generally.
Overall, Millennials didn’t change how they lived to account for things like climate change. They didn’t stand together as a society and reduce waste.
First, when has ANY age group coordinated across every nationality around the globe to “stand together”? Add to that, the age at which you’re suggesting this should have occurred is right when they were reaching adulthood and barely grasping how the adult world works themselves. At the same time they were coming of age during back to back global financial crises with and even book-ended by one of the most deadly pandemics in human history, while also having the fewest resources to affect change. “Standing together as a society” is unrealistic at any age, much less the one they were given.
Second, I’d argue at the individual level they made some of the largest shifts to low and lower carbon options than any other group. One example would be Veganism which would address the 17% of climate change gases from livestock. Many of them embraced bicycles instead of cars and small EVs such as scooters.
I’m not a Millennial or a vegan nor do I own a small EV scooter, but looking at all the generations alive today, I’d argue Millennials have done the most to combat climate change in spite of the other generations alive working against their efforts.
I’m literally a millennial, and have seen that the vast majority of us don’t give a flying fuck (that’s why only 4% of us are vegan), just like previous generations. I’m not trying to be a dick to millennials, I’m trying to be honest with myself about my peers and my own generations failure to the future.
Sure we did some, but if society still collapses, who will fucking give a shit?
Yeah… Fuck us for driving to a job no public transport can get us to right?
If you wanna admit you suck go right ahead, but with the means I have at hand in making a solid effort.
Sounds like your not.
Consumerism and capitalism is the real issue. Must have the latest iPhone, the company must grow. Limitless growth must happen in a system with limited resources.
Typed from my 5 year old phone I don’t want to replace but Samsung agree pulling security updates so I’ll have to.
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