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Zatore , to aboringdystopia in Restaurant in NYC offshores cashier job to Philippines so they can pay below minimum wage ($3/hr in Philippines)

shouldn’t the federal minimum wage apply to everyone who is doing work in the US? This seems like fraud

polonius-rex ,

how would you distinguish this from regular outsourcing

halcyoncmdr ,
@halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world avatar

Should apply to that as well if they’re interacting with the US market. All the way through subcontractors to the end employee. No hiding behind contracting local companies.

polonius-rex ,

i don't like outsourcing either, but realistically the machine of capitalism isn't going to allow you to be rid of it in its entirety

honestly i don't even know if getting rid of multinational organisations is on the whole a good thing, and that's the only way i can see of getting rid of outsourcing

halcyoncmdr ,
@halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world avatar

Outsourcing entirely being gone isn’t realistic… But there’s a huge difference between moving an entire team of say developers to India and having a worker teleconference in to be a cashier. Anyone directly interacting with a customer or end user in any capacity should be paid the same as a local employee in the location they’re “working”.

A Telecashier is fucking stupid and ridiculous.

polonius-rex ,

yesssssss, but i don't know how you'd make a legal distinction between those two

then again i'm not a law talking guy so what do i know

Kraven_the_Hunter ,

Remember when we learned that Amazon’s “just put it in your cart to buy” algorithm was really just a bunch of people in India watching you shop on the store surveillance system? That was, like 3 months ago maybe??

grue ,

but realistically the machine of capitalism isn’t going to allow you to be rid of it in its entirety

Who said anything about that? We’re just talking about putting tariffs on outsourced labor to correct for negative externalities.

Allonzee , (edited )

Outsourcing is the problem.

The owners take advantage of our commons, tear up our roads, and succeeded because of domestic infrastructure, only to refuse to pay full price for labor and allowing even those wages, in lieu of the taxes they bribe our government to enact loopholes to dodge, to “trickle down” domestically as their always bullshit yay market capitalism talking points lied?

It’s absolutely clownshoes that outsourcing labor/manufacturing is allowed, not because of domestic shortages for a skill, but to explicitly pay pennies on the dollar for the employees you need and screw the country you don’t want to pay taxes to despite record profits even harder.

It’s insane. But we let the owner class dictate whatever they want here, and our well bribed government will even sell it for them by calling it “something something freedom” while never mentioning social consequences, accountability, or responsibility. We aren’t so much a country as a piggy bank and cudgel for the global owner class.

sandalbucket ,

Something something candlemaker’s petition

MNByChoice ,
samara ,

Borders are violence

Allonzee ,

I agree, and I’m for dismantling them.

But capitalism has to go with them. Because as it is, the owner class already enjoys a borderlees world, while manipulating those borders against everyone else.

Borders exist solely to maintain and enhance the power of a nation state’s elite. If a people allow an elite class to rise without check, borders will always be inevitable.

Croquette ,

That the neat thing, you don’t.

Here, for certain industries (might be all but I don’t have first hand accounts of that), the contractors must make sure that the companies/freelancers they employ pay their taxes, otherwise, they are on the hook for it.

Do the same. If a company outsource work, they should prove that they pay the same as they would in their region, and if it not, be hit hard by fines and/or jail time.

But one can only dream I guess

shalafi ,

$3 is loads more than the Philippines minimum wage. I think it’s $8-$10 per day.

Also, y’all are thinking of what $3 buys in the US. The purchasing power is far different. $3 buys a lot over there.

I’ll ask my wife when she gets home, but I bet $3 is equivalent to $10-$12 in the US.

halcyoncmdr ,
@halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world avatar

Also, y’all are thinking of what $3 buys in the US. The purchasing power is far different. $3 buys a lot over there.

You misunderstand. We aren’t unaware or ignoring the purchasing power difference, that’s obvious, everyone knows currency differs. The issue is and always has been the outsourcing to increase profit in general, regardless of country or purchasing disparity. There is no reason to use a teleconferenced cashier for a retail location other than minimizing employee pay, not just by paying the minimum required here but literally taking a local job and shipping it overseas so you can instead pay what would be a clear poverty wage here, while undoubtedly having record profits like all these companies end up with.

NotMyOldRedditName ,

So, there actually is a reason to do this beyond pay, but clearly pay is the actual reason they do it.

A restaurant has a set amount of staff. What happens if a few are sick and they have trouble finding someone to fill in?

A remote agent like this could be from a larger organization being contracted out and you’d never have to worry about not having someone to be available.

Edit: 1 person could even be managing multiple stores where they queue the person to assist you as it detects you approaching. Less ideal would be ‘someone will be available in 45 seconds’ type queuing.

halcyoncmdr ,
@halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world avatar

Or they just hire enough staff to run the business in the first place. Something that used to just be how you operated a business. If the business wants to gamble on regularly operating without enough employees to cover multiple sick calls then they need to deal with the results of that decision.

Pull from other locations to cover, or God forbid, a manager actually covers a shift, or just close the location for a day if they cannot cover it. You know, what every business that operates with employees deals with.

You’re making excuses and trying to find a justification for a fucking disgraceful, greedy choice by the owner of this business.

NotMyOldRedditName , (edited )

No I’m not, you’re just jumping to conclusions. I clearly said it’s obviously about the pay.

The actual idea has potential merit like it or not. It doesn’t have to be scummy. It could be a US based corporation that pays US employees the same or more than what they’d get paid to be there in person.

The employee as I said could be managing more than 1 store, thus be providing more valuable work, and thus earning even more than they’d be earning at the restaurant, or 711, or wherever.

And they could be doing it from the comfort of their home making for a happier employee.

It just turns out that the way this has been implemented has been terrible and exploitative.

Edit: it could even be numerous ipad based kiosks around a mall where you could talk to someone and ask questions about the mall, without having to find and go to the info booth that’s in a single spot (that could also have an actual person there for those that want that). There’d always be someone available since there’d be multiple people for multiple malls all trained on each mall.

intensely_human ,

We aren’t unaware or ignoring the purchasing power difference, that’s obvious, everyone knows currency differs. The issue is and always has been the outsourcing to increase profit in general, regardless of country or purchasing disparity

This makes it sound like your problem isn’t someone getting hurt; it’s someone doing well.

aidan ,

Everyone complains about small businesses being driven out, especially in NYC. Their two biggest costs are rent and labor, so of course they try to minimize both of them.

halcyoncmdr ,
@halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world avatar

You know what’s cheaper than hiring a cashier and teleconferencing them from the Philippines?

The owner running the cash register. You know, like nearly every non-chain restaurant in the country.

aidan ,

Owner could be the chef, it you know, might not want to work 12 hours a day, 7 days a week

halcyoncmdr ,
@halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world avatar

Then don’t open a restaurant if you can’t even afford the minimal staff to run it.

aidan ,

They found a way to make it work.

Miaou ,

I mean, yeah probably. That’s not the point. The point is that it’s a race to the bottom for people living in higher cost-of-living places.

PunnyName ,

Okay. Imagine the purchasing power of someone who made the NYC minimum wage of $16/hr.

Maybe pay people for their time, not what the exchange rate “might” be.

intensely_human ,

If I’m paying NYC minimum wages, I’m getting someone from NYC, in NYC.

Sorry lady from the Phillipines. You’re out of a job because they put in this new “outsourcing must be at local wage rates” law.

sunzu , (edited )

Do you think anybody in NYC would cry over this?

I am not sure why anyone in NYC would care about

Sorry lady from the Phillipines. You’re out of a job because they put in this new “outsourcing must be at local wage rates” law.

Lol what is your angle here

aidan ,

Why are people from NYC more deserving of a job than her?

sunzu ,

NYC more deserving

That ain't how this works. If somebody is has some sort of special skill that is needed or there is a shortage, fine.

But using foreign labor to lower wages locally, is just a bad policy for the state and for the workers, only people benefiting is the rent seeker.

Why would anyone who works for money shill for the benefit of the rent seeker?

aidan ,

only people benefiting is the rent seeker.

I know this isn’t what you meant. But you know de-localizing jobs would probably have the effect of lowering rents.

only people benefiting is the rent seeker.

And the people who are now employed, and their local community that they spend that money in.

Again why is someone in NYC more deserving of it than someone else?

sunzu ,

But you know de-localizing jobs would probably have the effect of lowering rents.

Naive take... Rent seeker always maximizes profit.

NYC resident pays taxes and consumes in NYC.

Why are you advocating of transferring money out of the community? Why would anyone advocate for lower wages in their community?

This common sense stuff. Your whole weird play on "deserving" is a clown take. Disingenuous at best. This has nothing to do with deserving and everything to do with labor economic and labour policy which should be set for the benefit of tax paying public.

So again why would NYC or American taxpayer care about an Asian worker competing purely on price? What benefit do they get?

You know rent seeker don't give two fucks about her lol

aidan ,

Naive take… Rent seeker always maximizes profit.

Yes that is their goal. But they are in competition with eachother, and when there aren’t any people willing to pay absurd prices that have and will come down.

NYC resident pays taxes and consumes in NYC.

Okay?

Why are you advocating of transferring money out of the community? Why would anyone advocate for lower wages in their community?

I am not a nationalist.

labor economic and labour policy which should be set for the benefit of tax paying public.

Benefit of locals, while not benefiting others.

You know rent seeker don’t give two fucks about her lol

Don’t know, don’t care.

sunzu ,

But they are in competition with eachother,

Is the free market in the room with us right now?

I am not a nationalist.

Do you like having paved roads and schools?

aidan ,

Is the free market in the room with us right now?

I agree this is not a free market, but there is still competition.

Do you like having paved roads and schools?

My community could function on less tax money, less developed countries need it more.

sunzu ,

My community could function on less tax money, less developed countries need it more.

Must be nice to be part of the right community. The rest of the country has severely delepdated infrastructure and non existanant social services.

Good for u tho

aidan ,

The rest of the country has severely delepdated infrastructure and non existanant social services.

That’s because of mismanagement not lack of money

sunzu ,

That is correct. Too many middle men in government procurement leeching.

halcyoncmdr ,
@halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world avatar

Why would anyone who works for money shill for the benefit of the rent seeker?

Have you seen nearly Facebook America? They regularly vote against their own interests. Wouldn’t surprise me at all that the same people are the ones barely making ends meet, are advocating against unions, being pro corporate business, and laughing all the way to bankruptcy and homelessness day by day because it makes them feel superior to just one person.

sunzu ,

Temporarily humbled millionaires do be like that.

Zatore ,

I really don’t care how much buying power they have over there. A fair days work here in the US should be paid in turn.

intensely_human ,

Well, if you’re gonna advocate for people, you should care what their experience is.

explodicle ,

No, you can always advocate for someone to get paid more regardless of your knowledge of conversion rates.

shalafi ,

And flood the islands with US currency? Seems that would lead to massive inflation and hurt the people not working “in” the US.

Zatore ,

So what your saying is they should be paid less because their currency is trash? That’s a logical fallacy.

Einridi ,

Depends on the region, lowest is about 350 php or 6 usd per day. Most of the call centers are in the big cities however where wages are a bit higher and they well enough to be thought of as a decent job.

Bonskreeskreeskree ,

This practice is rampant across industries and only getting worse. We must demand an end to it through legislation.

Empricorn ,

We may not agree with it, but this is exactly the same thing as an overseas call center. They’re not physically located in the US and are not subject to any laws here.

pruwybn ,
@pruwybn@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

They aren’t doing work in the US though.

Zatore ,

That is naive. I hope you don’t have any employees

rmayayo , to boostforlemmy in Sync for lemmy has been released on google play. What about Boost for lemmy? When is it coming?
@rmayayo@lemmy.world avatar

Not ready yet, but almost there!

thisisbutaname ,

No pressure but I can’t wait to be back on Boost!

Mori ,

I can’t wait!

codapine ,

We’re all anxious to get back on Boost and launch the rocket 🚀 so I hope you take it as support and not pressure. Having a blast with Voyager for now, but Boost was always where it was at for me. Can’t wait to give it a shot when you’re ready to release it!

Do you know what kind of pricing model you’ll use? Will Boost for Lemmy be a separate purchase for removing ads, or do you intend to have a restore purchases button?

mojo ,

Thanks for the update!

PhilBro ,

Sync is good but Boost is better

Michael ,

Objectively wrong.

ThreeHalflings ,

You troll Lemmy app posts? That’s your life?

Neato.

Sarcastik ,

Be objective then…

ArtVandelay ,
@ArtVandelay@lemmy.world avatar

Objectively subjective

ElBarto ,

I’m eager to try but more than happy to wait.

Pyrrhichios ,

Super appreciative to have Sync for Lemmy to use in the meantime, but it’s only increased my appetite for the real deal - Boost for life!

Gruntyfish ,

Yay! Thank you for all of your hard work on boost! I’m super excited to use boost with lemmy!

UndefinedIsNotAFunction ,

Thank you for the years on Reddit! Can’t wait to have boost for lemmy!

mbryson ,
@mbryson@lemmy.ca avatar

Thanks for the update! Take your time, as great work always needs sufficient time to be prepared! Thank you for undertaking this transition, and I’m eagerly awaiting the release!

Blazingflames6073 ,
@Blazingflames6073@lemmy.world avatar

Quick! Get them!

Rambler ,

Nice to hear.

Acorns ,

Hurry up and take my money 💵

qaz , (edited ) to fediverse in Now that we're finally out of reddit, can we finally get different tag for NSFW and NSFL?

Wouldn’t it be better to have more specific tags like movies? e.g. “Sexual content”, “Gore”, “Death”, “Violence” or for content that you truly want to avoid; “US Politics”.

neutron ,

Perhaps categories first then the specifics? (e.g. NSFL: Gore)

ademir ,
@ademir@lemmy.eco.br avatar

I like this one

qaz ,

Why would you need a category in addition to a tag?

neutron ,

Just a thought. Some might need finer details vs block whatever its marked NSFW.

qaz ,

Wouldn’t a specific tag provide enough detail?

TheAndrewBrown ,

Personally I’ve never liked the idea of NSFL. It just doesn’t feel like it has the eighth connotation, it’s wording feels like it’s meant to be a joke when it’s content is rarely funny. I think just using “Gore” or “Death” would be absolutely better.

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  • Resonosity ,

    An advanced search would be so fing good for Lemmy. I realize that the problem is mainly how most modern search engines can’t do wildcard top level domain searches so you can’t really look up posts from lemmy[.]world or etc., but then Lemmy also has wildly variable domain names too which makes searching all the more difficult. A solution for this is so critical for discoverability and usefulness

    Cold_Brew_Enema ,

    Don’t forget “Musk” and “Trump”

    aceshigh ,
    @aceshigh@lemmy.world avatar

    is it possible to hide those here?

    Saff ,

    Another great one would be for phobias, being able to filter out images of a snake for example if you hate them. Sometimes the title filtering can do that but that doesn’t work when someone titles their picture “look at this cute little guy”

    qaz ,

    That’s a good idea. The client could let the user select their phobia from this list of all phobias from Wikipedia with a description and then filter for the tags matching the description.

    rtxn , to linux in My little brother loves the dualboot setup I installed for him. He says "It's like iOS"

    “Is this a virus?”

    Your 12-year-old brother is more security-conscious than most of the adults I work with.

    Duamerthrax ,

    Non techies have two settings. Either everything is a virus or nothing is a virus.

    Dubious_Fart ,

    Still better security consciousness than 99% of the population.

    ParsnipWitch ,

    Nah, my father is one of those who thinks everything is a virus, especially emails. And so he installs all kind of “clean your PC from viruses”-software …

    neo ,
    @neo@lemmy.comfysnug.space avatar

    Tell him that those are viruses too

    mnemonicmonkeys ,

    Honestly, they do seem to be malware more often than anything else

    TheButtonJustSpins ,

    That’s because everything is a virus.

    Duamerthrax ,

    I remember an old story about a father deleting bat.exe off the family computer and blaming his son for breaking the computer with his Batman game.

    GnuLinuxDude , (edited )
    @GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml avatar

    My dad is in his 70s, but he is thankfully rather aware of these kinds of things. He forwards me messages or calls me to ask “is this legitimate?”

    He’s aware of computer viruses, but I think he’s really on the lookout for scams, which is an interesting and effective approach.

    Espi ,

    My brother is the kind of people that installs stuff without reading a single option, just ‘next next next’ until the installer closes.

    Sweatyfartz , to showerthoughts in Now that we are all switching to Lemmy, now is the time for all the redditors with embarrassing usernames to make their username right! Don't screw up this time!

    Shoot…

    yanyuan ,

    We need people like you! Thank you for your service!

    jaamesbaxterr ,

    Idk, I’d say you nailed it. Lol

    MrShankles ,

    Your username is dope though!

    SecretSauces ,
    @SecretSauces@lemmy.world avatar

    Same

    weinermeat ,

    Me too, buddy

    Lemon_Rick ,

    Now that Reddit’s been made obsolete,

    Our new usernames can be discreet

    So, make your name right

    The future looks bright

    For Sweatyfartz and weinermeat

    Radioactrev ,

    You’re not “Poem_for_your_sprog” are you? Just made your username “right” this time?

    Amcro ,

    The only thing i miss from reddit…

    JimmyDean ,

    In case you didn’t know, PoppinKream is here on the Fediverse now. That’s a good sign that more well-known users could migrate here

    gravitas_deficiency ,

    Oh sick! I always enjoyed their well-researched and cross-referenced posts and comments.

    Ketchup ,

    Well at least someone needs me weinermeat

    Redepict ,

    🫡

    Wooly_Boogers ,

    I need to rethink my life too

    Fartbutt ,

    …Yeah.

    Sweatyfartz ,

    Yikes. We’re in this together now…

    NippleFarts ,

    Fart gang

    DustyNipples ,

    Nipple names unite!

    Ketchup ,

    Yeup, I make fart noises too. ! Damn it all!

    rclkrtrzckr ,

    🤣

    InfiniWheel , to nostupidquestions in How does Lemmy decide what goes in the hot feed?

    A small drunk goblin in every server throws a dart at a handwritten piece of paper with every post ever

    toasteecup ,

    Thank you Post Goblin, I love the work you do.

    Tigbitties ,
    @Tigbitties@kbin.social avatar

    Can I buy him a beer or something?

    Sir_Kevin ,
    @Sir_Kevin@discuss.online avatar

    I hear he likes beans

    ultratiem ,
    @ultratiem@lemmy.world avatar

    I KNEW it!

    islandofcaucasus ,
    slazer2au ,

    I think your prompt was wrong there mate. He said small not swol.

    Theoriginalthon ,

    Looks more like an orc, maybe it’s the goblins boss

    Ipodjockey OP ,
    @Ipodjockey@lemmy.world avatar

    This is my favorite theory so far.

    bezerker03 ,

    Can confirm. Found the process on my server. I named him frank.

    mrsemi , to nostupidquestions in Why is everyone so giddy about the flooding thay happened at burning man?

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  • deweydecibel , (edited )

    It’s also because Burning Man, at least in the last decade or more, just turned into another affluent, rich white people and influencer event. Whatever it was to start, it’s effectively glamping now.

    Sure, there are definitely some genuinely good people there, lower middle class, saved up and took their only vacation time they get all year to spend a few days there, and it sucks this happened to them. If those people end up in the hospital and the shitty insurance they get from work does fuck all to help mitigate the expenses, I’ll even get angry on their behalf.

    But the majority of them? They spent a lot of money, money most people don’t have the luxury of getting to spend, on a pointless self-indulgent festival in the fucking desert, and this time it’s come back to bite them. My sympathy is extremely limited.

    They’ll be miserable for a few days, get out, dry off, and go back to their easy lives. Their affairs are taken care of back home, they can miss days of work, their hospital stays will be covered, etc.

    It’s kind of like the Fyre Festival. Those people got fucked over hard, but those people were also not the kind I particularly pitty. Spending a lot of money on an experience only to be miserable for a few days is not a tragedy. What happened to the poor people that lived there is the tragedy.

    Edit: Also just want to point out OP is trying to call this a “tragedy” when there’s only been one suspected death, the cause of which is unknown as it hasn’t even been confirmed yet, but the overall mood is positive, and by all accounts everything is being managed. They’re trapped, not dying.

    apnews.com/…/burning-man-festival-flooding-entran…

    TwystedKynd ,

    I went a couple of times years ago when it was just starting to turn into what you describe. Had a great time, but it quickly priced me out. Now, it sounds like an influencer-laden hellscape. The addition of premium plug and play sites was the nail in the coffin. That said, a lot of the old time Burners are fucking amazing, creative, resourceful, and helpful people.

    donuts ,
    @donuts@kbin.social avatar

    It’s also because Burning Man, at least in the last decade or more, just turned into another affluent, rich white people and influencer event.

    I'm pretty sure it's been that way for at least 20 years...

    The only people I've personally known to go to Burning Man was a rich kid in high school who went with his dad who was a marketing high-up at a very big tech company. Always came back talking about trying drugs and seeing some crazy shit, but then on Tuesday it's right back to full days of pointless meetings I guess. I've never been and I frankly don't ever care to, but that alone gave me the feeling that Burning Man is where tech suits go to play hippie for the weekend, and that always felt lame as fuck.

    bionicjoey , (edited )

    It’s kind of like the Fyre Festival. Those people got fucked over hard, but those people were also not the kind I particularly pitty. Spending a lot of money on an experience only to be miserable for a few days is not a tragedy.

    Blame sensationalist media on this one, but it’s a misconception. Very few victims spent a lot of money on Fyre Festival. Most got tickets which were purported to be “all inclusive” for <$1500 USD (a pretty good deal, had it not been fraudulent). A handful of tickets sold for the $12K price which ended up in the headlines, but the standard price was a fraction of that. There’s a good summary of this discrepancy here: youtu.be/UBPg5ftCMv8

    papertowels ,

    One of the things I’ve learned over time is people can have vastly different perceptions of what being “poor” is, and I suspect that’s what’s happening here.

    I think there are those who could not afford to put down the 1.5k you’re quoting.

    bionicjoey ,

    Well yes of course, but there are lots of “poor” people who have maybe been saving up for a vacation and could make $1500 appear for an opportunity if the value seemed good enough. My family wasn’t rich growing up, but we would still go on one frugal vacation a year, which probably ended up costing a similar amount. It’s definitely not a demographic that I would feel “deserved” getting defrauded and left in a FEMA tent with no food and water for a weekend.

    Panurge987 ,

    That’s not poor at all. I was one of eight kids growing up, and we never, ever, went on a vacation of any kind. It just wasn’t possible at all.

    bennieandthez ,
    @bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml avatar

    completely agree with this take, also OP screams american excepcionalism.

    PrettyBlackDress ,
    @PrettyBlackDress@lemdit.com avatar
    SuckMyWang ,

    Wouldn’t every event or festival be an exercise in waste and excess? May be e we should just stay at home forever and work

    scytale ,

    I’ve heard smaller, local burns are better experiences now and are less wasteful. Just like most things, the original spirit and intent of an event gets lost when it becomes bigger and commercialized.

    snowfalldreamland , (edited )

    Well it being in the middle of a desert makes it more wasteful.

    But yes giant festivals that encourage a lot of travel and needlessly burning things are in general wasteful and potentially excessive. There are other leisure activities, so discouraging festivals is not equivalent to working nonstop.

    planish ,

    Isn’t unnecessarily lighting stuff on fire kind of the point?

    SuckMyWang ,

    Fireworks?

    planish ,

    They build and set ablaze a giant man! It’s eponymous!

    atempuser23 ,

    Yes.

    People always judge personal waste as something they don’t enjoy. It’s fun to hate on people who enjoy things.

    I have never went but the people I know who go have been going so long that their kids are bringing their kids. It sounds like a great community event where most of the point is to meet the people who go there.

    The desert is usually a good place to host a mass event since it is a flat large area. By definition rain is rare in a desert.

    LapGoat ,
    @LapGoat@pawb.social avatar

    small local burns are more true to form in that endeavor. people clean up after themselves and are generally respectful.

    some bad actors, but it’s a nice disconnect from technology.

    I like to go and host a alternate dimension themed arcade with silly obscure games.

    MrSpArkle ,

    Ooh, what games? Where?

    LapGoat ,
    @LapGoat@pawb.social avatar

    local burns, whatever seems whimsical and trippy

    DLSchichtl ,

    Hilariously, this exact thing happened to Alchemy in Georgia in 2015. The year of Alchemud. Got us kicked out of the county for a bit. Had Alchemy in Wakanda one year, but far too many fire ants.

    LapGoat ,
    @LapGoat@pawb.social avatar

    Ive heard of this lol

    DLSchichtl ,

    Alchemy is usually the second largest burn in the US. Though it’s Alchemy’s ~3.5k people, vs Burning Man’s 75k. Still, ton of fun for the art, music, and psychedelic crowds.

    cubedsteaks ,

    Alchemy in Wakanda

    haha come on. what are you talking about?

    DLSchichtl , (edited )

    One of the festival grounds we tried out was where they filmed parts of Black Panther outside of Atlanta.

    cubedsteaks ,

    ohhh. I thought you were roleplaying at first!

    PugJesus , to news in MEGA THREAD - Trump shot but safe, 2 others killed at PA rally

    Alright, let’s get it out ahead of time, since I’m already seeing this:

    It’s probably not staged. Trump reacts quickly - the fuck kind of timing you think that bloated potato has? To lift his hand to his ear just as the gunshot rings out? And the idea that the shooter grazed him on purpose is, likewise, absurd. The kind of risk that would entail, to just nick his ear?

    Whether the shooter was insane or politically motivated, this is a real event.

    AmbiguousProps ,

    Plus, the rally attendee being confirmed dead. Someone shot at him, 100%.

    JonsJava OP ,
    @JonsJava@lemmy.world avatar

    Thanks. Added your link and context to the mega thread

    Jimmyeatsausage , (edited )

    Do we know yet whether the would-be assassin or Secret Service hit the bystander? I was driving when it happened and am still getting up to speed

    Edit/update: It seems the gunman was on a rooftop, not in the crowd, so, no idea what happened. I have a few theories, but I’m not gonna risk starting rumors.

    AbouBenAdhem ,

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  • Jimmyeatsausage ,

    That was one of my theories, too, but I didn’t want to be the first to say it. It’d be a heavy load to carry, knowing you shot an innocent person like that.

    PM_Your_Nudes_Please ,

    I mean, if you’re so far gone that you’re attempting to assassinate a political figure, you’re probably okay with a little collateral damage. Especially if that collateral is a supporter of said politician.

    Jimmyeatsausage ,

    I was talking about if it had been a member of the Secret Service that misidentified the guy as the shooter

    chiliedogg ,

    Or the shooter fired multiple shots and some went into the crowd.

    KillingTimeItself ,

    if the shooters on a rooftop, and firing down on trump, it’s absolutely possible it could catch someone on it’s way down, either through ricochet or something.

    Though like you said, this can also be due to SS reaction as well.

    NegativeLookBehind ,
    @NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world avatar

    Hitlers Trumps SS

    foggy ,

    Same. And same with Biden. When asked, he said “I have an opinion but we’ll wait for the facts to come out.”

    abbadon420 ,

    You’re still getting up to speed? You might want to buy a new car, mate.

    kescusay ,
    @kescusay@lemmy.world avatar

    Thank you. And fuck the idiots spouting off with the “staged” nonsense. The time to believe something is staged is when you have evidence that it was.

    Botzo ,

    Oh, it’s all tongue-in-cheek, and yet: quid pro quo.

    lennybird ,
    @lennybird@lemmy.world avatar

    People are obviously on high alert, considering how far Trump is willing to go given Jan 6th. From the Reichstag fire to the Russian apartment bombings, such events manufactured or actual have profound impact on public perception and action. Naomi Klein’s (not to be confused with the nut job Naomi Wolf) The Shock Doctrine details this well.

    No sign this was a false flag, but holy fuck does it have terrible implications.

    KillingTimeItself ,

    i mean honestly, it’s scary, but it’s also not a good time to be an american right now, from the immunity rulling to the jan 6th delays, and all the other bullshit going on, things seem to be getting vastly more interesting now than they were just a few months ago.

    Tikiporch ,

    Trump’s entire persona is built on lies, it shouldn’t be a surprise that it’s many people’s first thought.

    kescusay ,
    @kescusay@lemmy.world avatar

    But it shouldn’t be. He shows no signs - cognitively speaking - of being capable of putting something like this together as a stage-managed event, and all of his past stage-managed events have been shitshows because he micromanages everything and he’s incompetent.

    AbouBenAdhem , (edited )

    I don’t doubt the shooter was genuinely trying to kill him. But I also think there are an unprecedented number of Republicans and Democrats who would be secretly relieved if their own party’s candidate were assassinated.

    gibmiser ,

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  • snooggums ,
    @snooggums@midwest.social avatar

    Gotta succeed at one before going for even Stevens.

    Scubus ,

    Two for the price of one! Nah real talk biden sucks but he doesn’t deserve to get assassinated.

    Wxnzxn ,
    @Wxnzxn@lemmy.ml avatar

    It’s a very common gut reaction to assume something like this has to be “staged”, I said it in the other thread in some discussions: It’s understandable to have it as this feeling. But everyone who feels that way: take a breath, remember the world is much more chaotic and much less controlled than you think, you don’t have to think of yourself as stupid for thinking it, but wait for more information to come out and be ready to give it up then.

    Reacting properly to this new reality is much more important, than trying to adjust reality to fit an emotion. It’s human to do that, react instinctively in a first gut reaction, but it is also human to be able to let go of that.

    meco03211 , (edited )

    In the spirit of not promoting violence, I’d like to promote the alternative of the Alex Jones treatment. Gaslight the fucker and set a conspiracy in motion to hound him the rest of his days.

    foggy ,

    I am hoping it results in visible signs of PTSD. That would be a modern Tar & Feathering.

    PoopDelivery ,

    I agree. We’re all just processing this and should probably take a break and come back when there is more info and we can think critically. That said, this is very scary, like, I feel like my physical safety is at risk because of this. So, not knowing what others are going through, I’m going to have some compassion for any initial reactions. People are having these same discussions face to face right now but not everyone can do that and may need to.

    KillingTimeItself ,

    the way i like to look at it, is that it doesn’t matter whether it was staged or not, it still happened. People still died, people still evacuated, trump still got shot, none of that changes.

    If it does, you’re doing a conspiracy theory, and you should stop.

    Tryptaminev ,

    I think it absolutely does matter for the political conclusions.

    But at the very least it is far to early to get into these conspiracies, even if the events had unfolded very differently like the bullets not hitting anywhere close.

    However given what we already know and what was caught by dozens of cameras, all the points the conspiracy theorists are coming up with are just insane.

    KillingTimeItself ,

    it does inevitably matter, but as of right now, we barely even know who did it, so conspiracies aren’t going to help at all. That was mainly my point behind the comment.

    queue ,
    @queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Genuinely infurating that the moment anything happens, NeoLibs will just start copying right-wing talking points.

    ABCDE ,

    Will or they did? Any examples?

    queue , (edited )
    @queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    If you check the modlog, before the Mods here started removing them, dozens of commenters said its a false flag, set up by trump.

    Here’s a screenshot of it happening on PoliticalMemes. EDIT: Used the proper screenshot. lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/9664605https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/pictrs/image/5f19539c-95e6-4407-b3ab-11ea9adb5e87.png

    And here’s some screenshots of the mod logs: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/pictrs/image/e376f561-22ef-4a98-9f2f-215768772c5d.pnghttps://lemmy.blahaj.zone/pictrs/image/9dfde7ce-e607-401b-be71-2e205741f357.png

    This isn’t getting into the ones on Mastodon and Twitter who also repeated the same Alex Jones level thinking.

    EDIT: Weird how I gave proof, they move the goal posts. Give proof, move the goal posts. I’m starting to think they just want an excuse for their weird takes and Q-Anon thinking.

    ABCDE ,

    And how do you know they are NeoLibs?

    queue ,
    @queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    On twitter/Mastodon with 🇺🇦 🇮🇱 in their profiles, and treating any valid criticisms of Biden are actually by Russian bots.

    That’s why I consider them NeoLibs.

    ABCDE ,

    I asked about the ones you quoted.

    keegomatic ,

    I see, so you just use the term “NeoLib” to mean “people you disagree with” rather than “people with neoliberal political beliefs”

    queue ,
    @queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    If it advocates for Neoliberal polices, speaks for Neoliberal polices, defends Neoliberal polices, yeah I do. Take your concern trolling elsewhere. I’m not going to bootlick for Reagan and every president afterwards.

    keegomatic ,

    You think the people you’re calling “NeoLibs” above are Reagan fans? Your criteria for neoliberal policies is “supports Ukraine and Israel at the same time” and “is aware of the current reality of Russian disinformation tactics”? Neither of those have anything to do with neoliberalism. I don’t think you know what “concern trolling” means, either.

    queue ,
    @queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Neoliberalism was invented to criticize Reagan’s policies. Clinton took those polices with a coat of blue paint. Bush made them worse. Obama continued them. Trump made them worse. Biden continued them.

    thoro ,

    ^ This is a decently accurate account of how neoliberalism grew to become the dominant economic ideology in the US and Western Europe. Though it was really just a description of Reaganism and Thatcherism at first. Read David Harvey if you disagree.

    queue ,
    @queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Weird how I call out bullshit, people ask for proof, I give them proof, they move the goal posts, I give that goal some proof, they move the goalposts.

    It’s like… I know these weirdos when I see them and call them that for a reason.

    thoro , (edited )

    You’re being pedantic. The dominant ideology of the Democratic party is neoliberalism. Democrats continued neoliberal policies following Reagan, like NAFTA and others. They will consistently defer to the market based solutions and “free enterprise” as opposed to actual socialism. The dominant political user on these platforms (especially .world) are capital D Democrats and liberals. You see this on Reddit a lot in /r/neoliberal.

    This user likely isn’t wrong when using this description as a generalization.

    UltraGiGaGigantic ,

    I love lemm.ee

    Yhe mod log is available for all to see. You can even search by username.

    Only one ban so far, I think I’m doing good!

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    I said this in another one of these threads- it is not at all outlandish to think that someone unhinged with a gun would see the threat of a fascist dictator and decide to do something about it.

    Wxnzxn ,
    @Wxnzxn@lemmy.ml avatar

    Yeah, I remember my grandfather telling the story of how Hitler held a speech at a Stadium that was visible from his attic window, and his biggest regret was, that he did not have a machinegun to take him and the other Nazi officials with him out. The US has enough guns and desperation for someone to attempt this, definitely.

    ABCDE ,

    What year was that?

    Wxnzxn ,
    @Wxnzxn@lemmy.ml avatar

    I don’t remember him mentioning the exact year, it’s been ages and I was a child still when he was still alive, but I know it was before the Machtergreifung, because he told it as having been a rally during an election campaign, eerily fitting, I guess.

    KillingTimeItself ,

    it happens a lot more than you would think throughout american history, sometimes with guns, sometimes without. Obama had 8 attempts throughout his terms in office. Biden has had one so far, trump has had a few, nothing more significant than obama though, except for maybe being shot, just barely.

    MagicShel ,

    The right has been agitating for stochastic terrorism for about sixteen god damn years. Well, they got it.

    It’s likely a good thing the guy missed. Trump being assassinated might just kick off the open violence that has been brewing. Still might, but it’ll depend on the next couple of days. If that dude turns out to be a left-winger, and Trump makes no attempt to stop it, I could see things getting very, very ugly.

    Burstar ,
    @Burstar@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    If that dude turns out to be a left-winger

    That dude’s political leaning will turn out to be whatever the news we prefer says he was.

    Pandantic ,
    @Pandantic@midwest.social avatar

    Reports are coming in that he was a registered republican, but had donated to dems once in the past. He was only 20 so not a lot of political history to go on.

    Cocodapuf ,

    I’m not sure it would even take someone unhinged.

    Nobody ,

    Yeah, if you’re going to stage a fake assassination, you don’t fire a bullet a couple inches away from a kill shot. It’s crazy how close this was to a successful attempt.

    KillingTimeItself ,

    It’s probably not staged. Trump reacts quickly - the fuck kind of timing you think that bloated potato has?

    it’s absolutely what you would expect the reaction to be. Much like burning your hand on a stove where your brain deals with the situation a lot quicker than you can logically process it, these kinds of injuries can do the same thing. It’s more than likely the people surrounding him that clued him in on it quicker than anything. That’s the one thing you would be prepared to expect.

    Maggoty ,

    Yeah, a 120 meter shot to graze does not exist. One inch to the right and he’s dead. With wind variables and stuff, the shooter who can reliably pull that off in one shot or volley does not exist.

    aStonedSanta ,

    With a better rifle and a spotter maybe.

    Edit. Just want to say I don’t think it’s a false flag in anyway. Just speculating lol

    Paddzr ,

    Not how guns work I’m afraid. I wouldn’t trust Olympic shooter with that type of shot at a closer distance.

    It is not marvel movie, you don’t go for the head.

    nepenthes ,
    @nepenthes@lemmy.world avatar

    Everyone keeps saying it can’t be staged because it was so close.

    I just wanted to point out it can be both staged and a successful assassination if the end goal is to point the finger at the left and martyr a polarizing figure.

    Maggoty ,

    That’s not staged then. That’s just an inside job.

    nepenthes ,
    @nepenthes@lemmy.world avatar

    Ah, okay-- thanks.

    whoreticulture ,

    That’s the same thing …

    Maggoty ,

    Staged means they set it up like a movie shoot and nobody was ever in danger.

    assassinatedbyCIA ,

    If it was staged then they are playing a very risky game. It doesn’t take much error to make a bullet that grazes your ear dome you. It’s basically certain that this wasn’t staged.

    Vlyn ,

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  • JackbyDev ,

    First I’m hearing about the 13 year old.

    excral ,

    If it was staged, the only feasible way would be that he wasn’t shot at all and all we saw was fake blood. Regardless, I don’t think it was actually staged

    JackbyDev ,

    It seems far more likely that Trump has some sort of quantum immortality than this being staged. Truly an insane shot to miss so narrowly while still grazing. I get why it makes people scratch their head. It will be interesting to see what happens.

    afraid_of_zombies ,
    boydster , to asklemmy in Since America is bringing back kings what other kind of stuff is on your medieval wishlist?
    @boydster@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords as a basis for a system of government.

    corsicanguppy ,

    something something ‘watery tart’ something.

    You know how to kill any party? Start quoting Monty Python.

    Jimmyeatsausage ,

    He’s being oppressed! Come see the violence inherent in the system!

    stringere ,

    You sound like a moistened bint to me. Care to decree some governmental officials while you’re here?

    veroxii ,

    What has Monty Python ever done for us?

    TriPolarBearz ,

    Who are you, who are so wise in the ways of science?

    MargotRobbie ,

    Strange woman here, anyone knows where I can buy swords in bulk, preferably with a pond thrown in? It’s for… a personal project.

    Masamune ,

    Have you tried your local Swords 'R Us? I hear there’s a July 4 blowout sale this week. Use promo code Pond50 for half of your pond!

    dethedrus ,

    Are we to believe that famous actress Margot Robbie doesn’t have some sort of connection for bulk medieval weaponry?

    I am shocked and dismayed.

    errer ,

    The woman = Amy Coney Barrett

    The pond = DC swamp

    The sword = Official acts

    IzzyScissor , to asklemmy in On the Internet, what is a dead giveaway that someone is actually a kid?

    I remember reading that when national parks tried to make a ‘bear-proof’ trashcan, they found that there was a larger overlap between the smartest bear and the stupidest human to make a viable product.

    I feel like it’s a similar situation here. The smartest kid and the stupidest adult are far more similar than we’d like to admit.

    AmosBurton_ThatGuy ,
    @AmosBurton_ThatGuy@lemmy.ca avatar

    Tbh I find it much more surprising that there’s an overlap of bears and stupid people than I do smart kids and dumb adults.

    I’ve met an unfortunate amount of people that would struggle to dump water out of their boots with the instructions written on the bottom of the sole.

    ameancow ,

    Bears can be trained to drive cars and communicate through various means, it’s thought they may be as smart as great apes like gorillas. This is why they were a choice circus animal for a long time.

    Yes, this should be terrifying information.

    HonkTonkWoman ,

    They also shit in the woods & wipe their asses with bunny rabbits.

    DON’T BELIEVE THE CHARMIN PROPAGANDA

    billgamesh ,

    is that a point for or against bears?

    meekah ,
    @meekah@lemmy.world avatar

    Yes

    redhorsejacket ,

    Depends on your bunny rabbit stance, I reckon.

    AmosBurton_ThatGuy ,
    @AmosBurton_ThatGuy@lemmy.ca avatar

    Unfortunately for the bears, it’s duck season, not wabbit season!

    NauticalNoodle ,

    bunny rabbits are a renewable resource.

    HonkTonkWoman ,

    I mean… a kid would probably do the same, given the chance, right?

    I’m going with For, definitely a point For bears.

    tamal3 ,

    A bear on my road has learned to open cars by using the door handle. Pretty amazing. It got into mine, ate something sugary, and left with no damage other than mud absolutely everywhere.

    Now I lock my car doors at night with respect for this boss bear.

    ProfessorPeregrine ,

    The right to arm bears…

    dingus ,

    You can’t just get my hopes up and not give us a video of a bear driving a car!!

    huginn ,

    It’s less idiocy and more laziness. Any amount of inconvenience is too much for a lot of humans, unfortunately.

    Faresh ,

    Why does dumping water out of boots have instructions? Isn’t it like dumping water out of any other container?

    AmosBurton_ThatGuy ,
    @AmosBurton_ThatGuy@lemmy.ca avatar

    It’s just a common way to call someone an idiot where I’m from 😅

    MonkeMischief ,

    … people that would struggle to dump water out of their boots with the instructions written on the bottom of the sole.

    I love that analogy and need to commit it to heart. XD

    Ashen ,

    That last line is an absolutely brilliant insult. Love it.

    SeaJ ,

    Side note: the National Park Service has an awesome team running their social media accounts. Their posts are always hilarious and informative.

    AFKBRBChocolate ,

    Funny, I came here to make the exact same analogy. I totally agree - a mature kid and an immature adult have a lot of overlap.

    jsomae ,

    I think it’s more like: the maturest kids and the most immature adults.

    MBM ,

    Yeah smart kids can be very immature

    MummifiedClient5000 , to technology in Facebook and Instagram are currently down.

    And the world is a slightly better place, momentarily.

    kratoz29 ,

    Huh, not for their users I’d say.

    Fun fact, my mobile carrier also was/is toasted LMAO.

    FiniteBanjo ,

    Nah, for the users too.

    AtmaJnana ,

    Especially for the users.

    TiffyBelle , to asklemmy in How many of you are actually chatbots?
    @TiffyBelle@feddit.uk avatar

    I am absolutely not, but this may have changed as I don’t have access to real-time information as my knowledge was last updated in September 2021.

    vita_man ,
    @vita_man@lemmy.world avatar

    Not sure if serious

    Blubton ,

    If you don’t know, you should check to see if there is any /s in the comment. In this case the comment is not serious, because there is no /s and obviously /s stands for serious. /s

    unconsciousvoidling ,

    You should consult with a medical professional in your area.

    burgersc12 ,

    I typed his symptoms into the computer and it says he might have “Network Connectivity Error”?!

    SomeoneElse , to showerthoughts in joining the fediverse to bitch about reddit is the same as going on a date, and spending the whole night talking about your ex

    I don’t mean to be rude OP, but your entire contribution to lemmy has been 5 comments and this single post about Reddit. In order to gain traction as a viable alternative to Reddit we need OC and active participation in the comment section. Be the change you want to see and lead by example - start posting interesting non-Reddit related stuff yourself. The more people that do, the better lemmy will be.

    BraBraBra ,

    I think we need to start poaching video content from reddit and posting it here. Stuff like HoldMyBeer, StartledCats, etc. There’s so much content for the taking, I don’t think we should get stuck on OC. In this stage we just need content. I’m seriously considering starting a cat sub or holdmybeer sub, and stealing all the content from reddit until people starting posting their own contributions.

    SomeoneElse ,

    I agree. I should have said “make new posts” rather than OC. When I first joined I used my last days of Apollo access to copy over a few of my favourite BORU posts as the community was otherwise empty. I also started c/[email protected] and reposted some of the old classics to get the community started. I don’t think lemmy should just be Reddit on another site, but it’s a good place to start while we build the site up.

    BraBraBra ,

    It’s becoming clear to me that getting a picture or video community off the ground that is not just memes might be difficult, and will take a pretty large userbase to sustain. But I think with something like Stealth app, as long as it continues to allow downloading from reddit, it should be easy for moderators to source video content themselves for the time being.

    BallsInTheShredder ,

    I’ve got a collection of porn from there if anyone needs it

    Boost had a download function… before those bastards killed it I had a pretty decent catalog of titties.

    BraBraBra ,

    I’m personally going to stay away from sharing porn. Feels iffy without explicit consent.

    henfredemars ,

    One should stress that it should be good content though. One of our strengths at this time is the reduced number of bots and more active contributors.

    There is plenty of content out there however, and I started sharing some of my favorite links with the smaller communities. Doing my part.

    Speculater ,
    @Speculater@lemmy.world avatar

    Good and new, I’m tired of seeing all the top of r/all memes having so much traction here. That was my pet peeve on Reddit. The ENDLESS recycling of the same content.

    ElPussyKangaroo ,

    Sort by Top on Reddit, and start whackin’ 'em 'ere.

    Sinister_Grape ,
    @Sinister_Grape@lemmy.world avatar

    Strongly agree.

    BallsInTheShredder ,

    I’m with you, honestly how do you think that content got to reddit in the first place? Sure there’s some original content there but 99% of the site is just reposts people got from other sites - and porn. Bring some porn back with you if you have space

    quickpen ,

    Let me know when you do so I can subscribe to your stream of silliness and entertainment :)

    HappycamperNZ ,

    Likewise- this is literally another reddit post…

    samus12345 ,
    @samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

    Yeah, the bitching about people bitching about Reddit is far more annoying than just the bitching about Reddit.

    thorbot ,

    Yo dawg

    samus12345 ,
    @samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

    I hear you don’t like bitching about bitching about Reddit

    So here’s some bitching about bitching about bitching about Reddit

    Boldizzle ,
    @Boldizzle@lemmy.world avatar

    Agreed, it’s also just a very Reddit poster thing to do ironically.

    BallsInTheShredder ,

    Yeah, ironically this whole post reminds me of that place

    Maybe they’re a plant sent from redshit to lower participation by reducing our current favorite topic which is: fuck redshit

    the_inebriati ,

    Opening up a new subreddit in the past few years had like a 50% chance of having 4 out of the top 10 posts people obnoxiously whining about X: “Please can we stop posting about X”,“Will the mods please start removing X posts?”, “If something doesn’t change soon, I’m going to start a new subreddit and the first rule will be ‘No X’”.

    Meanwhile there are zero posts about X in sight.

    venusenvy47 , (edited )

    It reminds me of the occasional times where a corporate email would be sent out improperly to “all” in our company. A few people would reply all: “take me off this list”. Then someone would reply all to those guys: “don’t reply all”. Then other people would reply all:“you are spamming the whole company!”, etc.

    It would take an hour or so to die off, but It was kind of amusing to see people react to the chaos. I assume the bitching about Reddit will die off naturally.

    samus12345 ,
    @samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

    It will. It’s still very new, of course people will be talking about it for a while.

    JonsJava OP ,

    I joined 4 days ago. I have contributed to HFY mostly, until this.

    I haven’t done much, because I wanted to get a feel for the community.

    Is it ok that I contribute now?

    SomeoneElse ,

    No need to get arsey, I wasn’t being rude to you. I simply pointed out, politely, that we can each make lemmy better by posting content we find interesting. Posting to complain about people posting to complain about Reddit, not only doesn’t help matters, it actively makes it worse. And clearly I’m not alone in this sentiment. I look forward to seeing your contributions now you have a feel for the place and have got your little rant off your chest 💚

    rm_dash_r_star ,
    @rm_dash_r_star@lemm.ee avatar

    The OP is complaining about all the Reddit bitching on his front page. There is some control over the looks of one’s front page in profile settings. If set to “All”, then yeah there’s going to be a lot of stuff outside of interest on the front page. My front page is set to “Subscribed” so I have to intentionally look for that stuff if I want to see it.

    The way to use Lemmy is to subscribe to communities with content of interest and use the the subscribed view. Maybe this is more a case of someone new to Lemmy not understanding the best way to use Lemmy.

    Damaskox ,
    @Damaskox@lemmy.world avatar

    Can I see most posts being from the communities I have subscribed at while still introducing stuff from communities I haven’t signed up for?

    Seeing new stuff usually is good in life =)

    atempuser23 ,

    Making a post that blows up like this one was a thing on reedit. You got a score and that encouraged gaming/trolling. It’ll take a bit to realize that karma isn’t a thing.

    SomeoneElse ,

    I tried to give OP the benefit of the doubt by providing practical ways he could make a positive impact if he was being genuine, but I think I was being naïve. He’d been on lemmy for the best part of a week before he posted this. No way in hell he hadn’t come across the many posts complaining about the same thing. Plus his reply to me was very Reddit-like. Passive aggressive at best, antagonistic at worst. I’d become used to people being a little nicer and more genuine in the few weeks I’ve been here!

    There something I don’t really understand about karma vs plain upvotes on lemmy. I know you needed a certain amount of karma to post in some subs, but it was never very much from what I recall. After you’d reached 2k at most, it didn’t have any value beyond social validation. Karma farmers didn’t do it for any real benefit, it just made them feel good. Won’t lemmy upvotes just be the same? You still get an upvote tally on your profile, you still get the dopamine boost from a thousand of people agreeing with you. Why do we assume (and hope) that karma/point farming won’t continue on this platform?

    atempuser23 ,

    The Karma was your reddit score a way to rank your seniority and value. It made it a bit easier to see where someone stood in a specific community.A post from a throwaway account was more suspect than one with lots of karma.

    Point farming will be a thing, people crave attention and you can get that validation . Without that overall score I think it will be less pronounced on lemmy. I have been shocked with the reasonableness of posters here on lemmy.

    SomeoneElse ,

    I just went to check what my karma was. On my first main account I had 30k karma after 10 years. The account I was using when I left was 8 years old and only had 3k karma. I definitely didn’t have any seniority or value! 😂

    varzaman ,

    You trying to guilt people into generating content? Lol.

    This isn’t a job. This is for leisure. No one should force it.

    TooLazyDidntName , to nostupidquestions in Anyone else feel like ~99% of their life was kind of wasted?

    The best way to be miserable in life is to compare yourself to others. Just do your best, thats all that matters

    required OP ,
    @required@lemmy.world avatar

    I’m really trying to not make this a way to mess up with my mental state, but instead a search on how to achieve the best of myself. I just want to know how these people are waking up in the morning and do the stuff they do.

    CyanFen ,

    Some people are just wired differently, those people are programmed in a way that just so happens to be congruent with our society. It’s not that something is wrong with you, it’s just that society is “more right” for them.

    otacon239 ,

    It’s also worth mentioning that I’ve been on the other side of this fence. It’s something that can be learned with time and dedication. If you feel like your life is unfulfilling and you want to change, you are never locked into the life you have right now.

    ratz ,

    I think some people just have different perspectives on life, different motivations. As an elderly millennial I empathize with you OP, I’ve felt much the same myself. I’m coming to terms with the fact that some people are just really focused and ambitious, while others (like me), really aren’t - and that’s perfectly okay.

    sealhaslupus ,

    one of my psychologist friends said a long time ago “if you don’t keep improving yourself, then what’s the point in living”.

    you’re clearly already taking steps on self-improvement and personal introspection, which is probably one of the hardest things a human can do.

    honestly you’re already kicking goals if you try and be a better person each day. No one can ask more of you.

    frosty99c ,

    Man, that doesn’t resonate with me at all. I don’t think there is any point to living other than just enjoying your time here. Sure, work when necessary to be able to afford the necessities, develop some skills to be able to afford a few luxuries, but honestly just do things that make you happy. Self-improvement as a reason to live seems awful. If you’re unable to improve, are you a failure? If you’re already happy as you are, should you just end it?

    sealhaslupus ,

    it depends on what you consider self-improvement to be

    adespoton ,

    This is the core. I improve every day; part of that is by still not being dead.

    Some people measure improvement by monetary wealth; some by fame, some by influence, some by personal happiness.

    The key is to figure out what YOU value instead of measuring your improvement by someone else’s scale.

    soyagi ,

    Living like that sounds very harmful to ones mental health. Sometimes people can’t improve despite trying and trying, and being told there’s no point in living without improvement would just help people that are already depressed justify their thoughts on not being alive any more.

    sealhaslupus ,

    the comment isn’t literal. it was an off handed way of saying that it is beneficial to try and improve oneself to get the most out of life.

    i perhaps shouldn’t have qualified his profession because this was a conversation over beers, not his place of work.

    maniclucky ,

    A bit of a scale issue. You’re seeing the top 0.001% of people. And they derive some kind of pleasure from their passions (probably) and are really specifically wired to chase this thing. It’s ok to be mortal. The only thing you should excel at is being you and finding satisfaction in your own life. For every person with a world changing invention, or what have you, there are millions of people just living, and that’s ok.

    GizmoLion ,
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    Just remember that because the face you see is always smiling doesn't mean they truly enjoy their life. For all you know they're so burned out and miserable, over the stress, and would kill to go back to a less stressful life.

    We all have a tendency to see the grass as greener on the other side.

    AlexKingstonsGigolo ,

    @TooLazyDidntName In fairness, every loser does his "best"; it's the winner who goes home and fucks the prom queen.

    buddhabound ,

    This is such a short-sighted take. My wife was prom queen… 3 years before I met her. I forgot about it completely until I read your post and thought, “what a childish thing to say, no one cares about that.” Why? Because I have 20 years of history with my wife. 2 children, a good job, a good life, and a happy family. Exactly 0% of that has anything to do with a prom that happened years before we met.

    I want to live a long and happy life, and have as many days as possible with my wife, my children, and maybe their children (if they decide to have any). The things that worry me aren’t whether or not I’m having sex with a former prom queen, but how can I stay healthy so I can have a chance to make as many memories with the people I love as possible. It’s about whether or not they feel loved, accepted, and fulfilled. High school popularity has no value whatsoever to healthy, adjusted adults.

    AlexKingstonsGigolo ,

    Have you ever heard of a metaphor?

    icesentry ,

    We know what metaphors are, it’s just a really bad one.

    DreamerOfImprobableDreams , (edited )

    Can we not do the whole "women are objects to be ranked based on physical appearance only and fought over as prizes" thing, please? That prom queen has agency of her own-- who's to say she's even into the "winner", let alone that their personalities are in any way compatible? Maybe (assuming she's interested in men and looking for a relationship) she'd rather be with a guy who isn't hypercompetitive, who's more laid back and easygoing?

    Which brings me to the other problem with your metaphor: what's "winning"? Someone could be doing well by society's metrics and be miserable, because their current lifestyle isn't the right fit for them. Someone else could be a total failure by society's metrics, but perfectly content with their life the way it is. Who's the real winner there? (Spoiler alert: it's the second person).

    AlexKingstonsGigolo ,

    I don't know; can we not do the whole "unduly overreacting to the use of metaphor" thing, please? Honestly, your comment sounds exactly like something from a ChatGPT bot.

    DreamerOfImprobableDreams ,

    Sorry I didn't put a ton of brainpower into spicing up the wording of a throwaway comment on an anonymous message board I wrote at near-midnight my time.

    DreamerOfImprobableDreams ,

    Tell ya what: don't use a sexist metaphor next time, and I promise not to overreact. ;)

    like47ninjas ,

    Finding what makes you happy and focusing on making sure you’re unapologetically taking care of yourself is a good place to start.

    This goes for work, relationships, hobbies, friends, whatever.

    Can’t say I’ve always done a great job of it but for me it feels like it has made a difference the older I’ve gotten.

    And of course, social media (including lemmy) is horrible for self confidence so don’t binge if you can help it.

    ialvoi , to nostupidquestions in People who back into parking spots: Why?

    Because you know what the situation is when you park, but you don’t know what the situation will be when you leave.

    littlecolt OP ,

    I like this answer, and had not considered it. Good insight. I knew people would have specific situations like certain parking areas or certain street parking, but I really wanted “general” answers, and this is a good one. Thanks.

    adespoton ,

    My grandfather had two habits drilled into him in the Army: never put your hands in your pockets so they’re always ready for action, and always park your vehicle so it’s ready to go.

    This means he always backed in, and always parked as close to the exit as possible. And he did post-drive checks to ensure fluids, lights, brakes etc. were as they should be and the vehicle was ready for immediate use.

    And he wasn’t even a getaway driver after the war.

    oldGregg ,

    And he wasn’t even a getaway driver after the war.

    That you knew about

    SnowGlobal ,

    Yep I’m all about setting myself up for success. And backing into parking spaces does that. Also it’s drilled into my head from the oilfield that you will always back in because it’s safer.

    dub ,

    Also cause its cool as fuck

    RagingRobot ,

    It’s actually kind of inconvenient to be behind someone doing this. It takes longer than pulling in and sometimes it’s unexpected. Like I thought this one guy was turning but he was just lining up to back into a spot. He got mad when I pulled up behind him lol

    dub ,

    sounds like your jealous of how cool they were

    thrawn ,

    Takes about the same amount of time as someone backing out when leaving, so it’s balanced out eventually. It’s a little unexpected but I don’t put my car anywhere I’m not 100% sure is safe, and backwards parking isn’t particularly rare, so I’m never really taken aback that much

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  • rImITywR ,

    Its more of a visibility thing. Backing out, your vehicle has to be three quarters of the way into traffic before you can really see.

    Nighed ,
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    You can just pull out of the spot and go, no need to change direction etc.

    In a tight car park I have almost got stuck once because there wasn’t enough room for me to back out and get my nose out from between the cars on either side to move forward

    Starfighter ,

    Apart from the visibility argument. With this kind of parking spot you have to leave the spot in the other direction than you came in. So you’ll only get the enhanced agility for one of the moves.

    Would you rather have more agility when getting into the tight parking spot or when leaving onto a larger street?

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