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boatsnhos931 ,

Does this mean I can give the cashier a 50 cent tip and I can get her number for laters?

buzz86us ,

Jetsons predicted this

nucleative ,

If a remote worker can actually do the job at a high enough level, then the writing is on the wall.

Globalization will eventually take over those roles and laws that try to prop up a local worker will end up like Oregon’s old law that says you can’t pump your own gas.

The only way to ‘win’ is to equip the local guy with skills that absolutely cannot be done remotely, or educate him to do things at a level unmatched by the remote worker coming from another culture.

ToucheGoodSir , (edited )

Well, I bet the people doing those jobs in the Philippines are stoked. Probably a decent wage for them with currency conversion and the cost of living in the Philippines. Though of course, they could AT LEAST be paying them the American minimum wage :| 7.25/h in the Philippines would be pretty spicy. The work they are doing IS being done in America*…

prole ,

Yeah, that’s how labor exploitation works

ToucheGoodSir , (edited )

Exploitation is a bit finicky to define. Unless a laborer gets all of the value of the labor they produce, or they’re in a worker co-operative, exactly at point would you define a job as exploitation? Paying the lowest labor cost is just good business sense. Free market allocation of resources has been the most efficient system humanity has found for economic growth. China does have capitalistic attributes in its society, and they are the closest to a “communist” society that exists on the planet. Though of course, regulatory capture, and as it is called in Hamburgerland “too big to fail” corporations, implies that we do NOT have an actual free market, the Gamestop saga being a shining example of this.

So, at what point would you define something as labor exploitation? There are some obvious examples of it (child coal mine/meat processing/textile workers etc), but where is the line?

sudo42 ,

I’m honestly surprised the corps haven’t done this to all of their drive-thrus.

teamevil ,

I mean every time I go through a drive through I’m asked if I’m going to use the app to order by one person (or ai but I know about 20 years ago Wendy’s tried to put all drive through orders through a remote facility too) and when I say Nope another person actually gets on and takes the order…so they are in many aspects. Hell you can’t order in person from some of the rest stop fast food spots in Florida.

randon31415 ,

No, that is just a pre-recorded message. I once went through a mcdonald’s drive thru that had just closed. They asked me for my order and after I gave it, I realized no one was in the restaurant. I pulled around and they asked me again every time I stopped at the order point, but there was no cars in the lot.

brlemworld ,

You’re assuming McDonald’s employees are rich enough to afford cars.

whitelobster69 ,

I hope it’s just supplemental. Like have one cashier and when it’s busy have one remote in to help for a period of time (card only payments) then log out. Could have a 3rd party company manage a group of online employees to rotate between places worldwide.

Still don’t think I’m cool with it but seems inevitable unless AI just replaces all of them quicker than expected

Andromxda ,
@Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Ok what the actual fuck?

uis ,

They call it free market

MrSusan ,

Is this real? Is there any proof of this actually being a thing?

RagingRobot ,

Having no actual person guarding your business is a recipe for theft. If this catches on it will be so much easier to steal from places. I’m ok with this

Phegan ,

A 17 year old kid paid minimum wage who gives zero fucks about the company isn’t a huge deterrent either. As long as you don’t put them in risk steal from corpos all the time

Catma ,

You shouldnt ever try to protect the cash register at your place of work. They give 0 fucks about you and will have a job posting up before your body is cold.

sunzu ,

Fact but it does not negate that physically present employees deters some crime.

High traffic grocery stores who put in self check outs are staffing several guards now and put in some clown fences and gates...

But hey guy who put in self check and guy fired cashiers both got bonus...

Guy hiring security and putting fences also got bonus. These clowns will pay anyone any amount of money as long they don't pay the worker for the actual job.

CrabAndBroom ,

I remember working in a store and a guy walked through the scanner at the door and it went off, the other employee looked at me and was like “that guy stole something, hey?” And I was just like “yep” and we went back to whatever we were doing lol

Facebones ,

This is the way. Ive seen the “security” do the same shit, they don’t get paid enough to throw down over a can of doritos either lol

SSJMarx ,

the scanner at the door and it went off

Every time in my life I’ve ever seen a door scanner go off, it’s been a false positive.

I’m not saying that they can’t give good results too, just saying that I’m surprised that store’s employees didn’t just unplug them after the third time it happened.

prole ,

Retail jobs will tell you this too as they want as little liability as possible.

Plus the registers only usually have a couple hundred bucks max at one time.

TheObviousSolution ,
@TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee avatar

Can confirm, if they give any appearance of being human, even for years on end, it’s a lie, they are complete psychopaths and will throw you into the fire not even to save themselves, just to feel slightly less insecure.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Having no actual person guarding your business is a recipe for theft.

From 1977 to 2021, in 2021 inflation-adjusted dollars, state and local government spending on police increased from $47 billion to $135 billion, an increase of 189 percent.

Privatize the profits, socialize the costs

Facebones ,

gestures broadly at the entire us pharmaceutical industry

Maggoty ,

The recommended course of action in a robbery is to follow instructions and hand over anything they ask for. If they grab product and walk out of the store, don’t try to stop them. This is actually less of an insurance liability than having an actual person there.

RagingRobot ,

Yes but in general people are less likely to steal if there is a person standing in front of them watching. I’m not even talking about robbery just people stealing a candy bar or whatever. If it’s just sitting out with no one around people will take it.

uis ,

Stealing and robbery are different

Maggoty ,

I’m sure there’s a technical difference but I really don’t care about it.

TheReturnOfPEB ,

This is going to be the response to “work from home”

WoolyNelson ,

Cashiers fought for WFH?

If you’re talking about other sectors, it’s been done before (off-shoring in the 2000s).

sunzu ,

Yeah but he reminding us "that daddy can do it anytime to you"

U feel me?

bcgm3 ,

Working as a graphic designer in the US since the early 2000’s, every employer I ever worked for eventually used Fiverr to pay someone overseas a fraction of what they paid me to do the same work. This doesn’t seem meaningfully different.

Not saying this is okay, just that it’s not even remotely (no pun intended) a new problem.

sunzu , (edited )

This whole thing is a to send a message to begin with as with AI, actually more so.

Most of the "AI job losses" are this sort of offshoring actually... Joke is on the wage slaves.

Ragnarok314159 ,

This is pure Astronaut meme with “wait, AI is just 3rd world wage slaves?”

SSJMarx ,

They even gave it a cheeky name! “Mechanical Turk”, the thing that famously had a real person inside it pretending to be a machine.

veni_vedi_veni ,

There was an article that exposed Amazons cashier-less stores were just bunch of Indians overseas reviewing footage because their classification algorithms failed half the time

werefreeatlast ,

I have bad eye sight…I read the screen behind her as “Japanese fried children” suddenly I knew I had misread that. Like there’s no way New York would stoop that low and be that cruel to children. I corrected myself before any other thought occurred actually. But it was momentarily disturbing.

BruceTwarzen ,

Good thing they build a wall so these mean immigrants are not stealing jobs.

sunzu ,

immigrants are not stealing jobs.

I know you are being cheeky.. But you are using their lingo. It is strategic as it skips the the perp ie the rent seeker looking to underpay for labour.

You know how fake teevee always got NYC migrant bussing story?

But we never hear about migrants being bussed into the heartland to work in meat packing or some other hard work.

Who is paying to bus them anyway?

Asking for a friend

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enclosure

Oops! All Plantations now!

Guess it wasn’t much of a land for the free. Unless people start pushing back, I gotta question if it’s the home of the brave, either.

sjpwarren ,

Can’t wait to hear how Trump says Philippines

MonkderDritte ,

Unplug the display & camera, get meals for free?

boatsnhos931 ,

Way better than yelling at them about no onions on my sandwich

MonkderDritte ,

Don’t yell at the cashier, he didn’t do anything wrong.

boatsnhos931 ,

Depends on whether they put the order in correctly or the kitchen staff didn’t follow it, doesn’t it Jim bob?

match ,
@match@pawb.social avatar

… and walk into the back to make your own food?

macrocephalic ,

I’d be tempted to do it just for the chaos factor.

Bonskreeskreeskree , (edited )

This shit has got to be outlawed. Companies are doing this across the board. Literally skirting labor laws, outsourcing jobs that should be going to us citizens, all to just continue pouring more money into the tops pockets. When will we have all had enough?

Rivalarrival ,

It’s a simple enough solution in this case. They are performing the work of employees, so for all intents and purposes, they are employees. They are directly interacting with US customers at a physical location within the US. Their place of work is that physical location, even if they are not physically present. They need authorization to work in the US, and the minimum wage laws applicable to that location applies to these workers.

All that is missing is the lawsuit under existing labor laws, which they will probably lose.

Bonskreeskreeskree ,

So what can the citizens do to get traction on this?

sunzu ,

Good luck finding a judge taking such a position

Judiciary is just a rubber stamp for the corporate needs. Last 40 years of court rulings speak for themselves.

Courts ain't saving slaves

gerbler ,

Sounds like something the Department of Labour could legislate… Or could have.

But the supreme court just ruled that this falls under the courts jurisdiction and there’s a snowflakes chance in hell that a case pushed high and far enough will result in those ghouls will rule in favour of labour interests.

Rivalarrival ,

Yeah, I don’t think SCOTUS would side with an IRS or Labour Department rule requiring businesses pay minimum wage. But you’re forgetting the “racist” angle: the courts would love nothing more than to support a State Department determination that they are “immigrant workers” and require a work visa.

teamevil ,

Not with this fucking compromised supreme court. Nothing was capitalized on purpose.

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