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phillycodehound , to linux in Why is Linux so frustrating for some people?
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It’s the same way Mastodon and the Fediverse is so damn frustrating to many people. They don’t want to have to think and just want shit to work.

CorrodedCranium ,
@CorrodedCranium@lemmy.fmhy.ml avatar

I can’t say I blame them when it comes to going with what’s comfortable.

I used Windows and Linux while in school so it’s what I got used to. Whenever I use MacOS I feel incredibly lost

Nouveau_Burnswick ,

I’m fine with Linux and techy stuff for my personal life.

My work stuff has to work. Always. Enterprise solutions are the only way I can get that without a personal army of IT guys.

Voytrekk ,
@Voytrekk@lemmy.world avatar

macOS and iOS both have their own feel that just isnt intuitive for me.

Rai ,

I’ve been a windows user forever and ever (well, DOS before that…) but iOS feels intuitive as fuck to me. I was an immediate Android adopter (HTC Dream/G1, then the successor G2 immediately when it was released) and when my partner got an iPhone, I played around with it for like five minutes before I was like “holy shit this is smooth.” I’ll never go back to Android (well, I couldn’t now anyway since I don’t touch Google services or products)

Next weekend I set up my first linux box since 2008, though, and I’m nervous. But excited.

Undearius ,
@Undearius@lemmy.ca avatar

Good news! Sh.itjust.works!

SimplePhysics ,

Shit ain’t working

https://i.imgur.com/qPzawUs.png

Dubious_Fart ,

Ahahahaha

sadreality ,

Except can't trust corporate clowns to keep shit working... Once they they obtain market share, they start doing weird things, recent example win11 where they make it less useable just because fuck plebs.

can ,

Yeah but everyone has a different line of what’s too far. Just like reddit, many knew things were getting bad but didn’t actually leave until recently. No doubt Microsoft will eventually piss me off enough to switch but for now I barely use my pc as is so it’s not worth the hassle.

ashok36 ,

This. I get a wild hair every couple years to daily drive Linux and there’s always something small but crucial that breaks within a day or so and there’s no way for me, a relative novice, to fix it.

Example: I picked up a old ThinkPad on ebay last year. I put Ubuntu on it and after a day or two the wifi just stops working. No error messages. Nothing. I tried digging into the settings via ui with no luck. Googling didn’t help because I couldn’t tell what was helpful, unhelpful, or would have been helpful but is five years out of date.

After a few days of trying to make it work, I just threw on windows and haven’t had any issues since.

flubba86 , (edited )

I’ve always had the opposite experience, especially with hardware like older thinkpads. Trying to use windows, everything runs so slowly, I have to try to find the right wifi and sound drivers from the manufacturers website, and make sure you get the right driver version that works with Windows 10. Then windows update runs and overwrites your drivers with Microsoft drivers that don’t work.

Installing Ubuntu, everything works straight out of the box, don’t need to go hunting all over the internet for installer packages.

HughJanus ,

I have to try to find the right wifi and sound drivers from the manufacturers website, and make sure you get the right driver version that works with Windows 10.

Meanwhile these drivers don’t even exist for Linux

priapus ,

I’m pretty sure every thinkpad uses network adapters with linux drivers.

HughJanus ,

Sure, and ThinkPads make up like 1% of computing devices.

priapus ,

Fair, but the person above you was talking about ThinkPads… Laptops with network adapters that have no Linux drivers are very rare. In the large majority of cases network adapters have drivers in the kernel, and almost all of the rest have drivers that need to be installed after. I used to work at a PC shop where I would very often use a Linux live CD to test hardware if Windows was having issues that seemed to be driver related. 90% of the hardware we worked on were laptops, so I booted Linux on a lot of them. There was never a laptop that didn’t work out of the box on Linux. They certainly exist, but they are not as common as you think they are.

amanneedsamaid ,

Whenever I’ve used an old Thinkpad with windows on it, it has been slow to the point of being unusable. Linux is much better in this regard, let alone after a few years of use.

Cypher ,

This is oft repeated but is short sighted, it is NOT that people do not want to think, it is that they don’t have the time and energy to constantly fight their devices to perform simple tasks.

somedaysoon ,
@somedaysoon@lemmy.world avatar

That’s exactly why I love Linux and hate Windows. Try something simple in Windows like setting custom keyboard shortcuts… insanely frustrating. I’m not sure you can even do it without 3rd party apps, but in Linux I can do it in 10 seconds.

Cypher ,

On the flip side try to get Linux to play back audio at above 48,000 Hz without breaking absolutely everything that isn’t already at the desired sample rate.

In Windows it is 5 clicks.

somedaysoon ,
@somedaysoon@lemmy.world avatar

Try and get the Focusrite Solo at 48k with Windows without using the awful software that comes with it, in Linux it’s literally plug and play. It goes both ways, that’s what Windows plebs don’t understand. All the issues Windows plebs complain about in Linux, are also present in Windows: driver issues, updates breaking userspace, etc.

Cypher ,

Attacking people because there are valid criticisms of Linux, which you haven’t refuted at all, shows how utterly stupid you are.

Yes there are valid criticisms of Windows. No that does not give you a pass to attack people who use it, they have made their own choice.

One device, which you admit works with the correct drivers, doesn’t remotely compare to a glaring flaw with audio that I can find first mentioned in 2002 still impacting Linux today.

somedaysoon , (edited )
@somedaysoon@lemmy.world avatar

I haven’t attacked anyone… yet, but the cognitive dissonance of that first sentence, oh my! Do you have any self-awareness at all? I can’t imagine contradicting myself in the same fucking sentence, lmao, you’re straight up delusional my guy.

I explained why they are not valid criticisms and you’re missing my point that it goes both ways, but anyway… thanks for that opening sentence and confirming your opinions don’t merit consideration. I will no longer waste time conversing with you, not because you are ignorant but because you quite obviously lack critical thinking abilities.

Cypher ,

Windows plebs

Yes you clearly meant that in an endearing sort of way.

somedaysoon , (edited )
@somedaysoon@lemmy.world avatar

The only thing I infer with that is how limited Windows is as an OS and it’s users are at understanding other computing concepts. We are in a Linux sub, no one here should take offense to it nor feel attacked by it. Regardless, if had I attacked someone or not, it is still hypocritical, and shows your lack of critical thinking to chastise me for attacking someone while simultaneously attacking me… I mean to say… that makes you stupid, objectively. You may want to address that, just saying.

meat_popsicle ,

It goes both ways, that’s what Windows plebs don’t understand. All the issues Windows plebs …

Does it make you a patrician to use Linux? Are you a father figure now to society?

We plebeians are just waiting on your glory to shine upon us, o high one.

somedaysoon , (edited )
@somedaysoon@lemmy.world avatar

Are you offended that I am calling your knowledge into question over invalid criticisms? Instead of being offended, maybe take the time and learn from it. At the end of the day, if you want an extremely limited OS that spies on you, it’s your life… but maybe you should reconsider participating in a Linux sublem.

meat_popsicle ,

Calling anybody a pleb means everything you say is discounted. You have an arrogance that’s wildly unhinged.

I wish you luck, o wise patrician. May the glory of Rome shine forever upon you.

somedaysoon , (edited )
@somedaysoon@lemmy.world avatar

I think deep down, this comment has is more true than not for the likes of you, and it’s insecure users that lash out at this realization. It really sounds like you’re projecting your insecurities around some type of superiority complex because you fail to measure up. You can deflect all you want, but I see you… your lack of honest debate and your deflections and projections… and it’s honestly, pathetic. Let me give you some advice; try to be a better person.

aski3252 ,

The few times a have some minor issue on linux, it is probably audio related or related to working with multiple different screens with different refresh rates, resolutions, etc, so you probably have a point.

However, I did have various issues with audio and multiple screens on windows as well, I would say even more frequently. However, on windows those issues were generally resolved after a restart, on linux I actually had to do some troubleshooting.

Tar_alcaran ,

Try something simple in Windows like setting custom keyboard shortcuts… insanely frustrating.

You can set macro’s under Mouse and Keyboard center (though only in win11, welcome to 1995 Microsoft!) You can set a keyboard shortcut for a program under a shortcut’s properties (since at least a couple of editions ago).

somedaysoon , (edited )
@somedaysoon@lemmy.world avatar

Can you change Alt+tab and other defaults? Because I’m talking about the ability to fully customize all keyboard shortcuts. I can make my laptop sing for you without lifting my hands from the keyboard, and anytime I boot into Windows I feel like I’m weighted down with 80lb sandbags.

vaidooryam ,

@somedaysoon @Cypher MS powertools allows some of those stuff, though not nearly as well. AHK is every easy to setup and get into even compared to some of the linux equivalents.

It goes either ways and one needs to find the way to make it work on either system. Often she exact same approach might not work in both.

aski3252 ,

it is that they don’t have the time and energy to constantly fight their devices to perform simple tasks.

Nobody wants to constantly fight their devices to perform simple tasks, but that’s exactly the reason why I almost exclusively use linux and get incredibly annoyed when I have to use windows (for business reasons)…

Sure, linux based systems often take up more time until you find the right system for your needs and for your hardware, you will have some effort to find alternatives to some software that you might be used to and depending on what software you need, linux just won’t be an option for you, but once that everything is set up, at least in my personal experience, things run a lot more consistently and expectedly in my personal experience.

Maybe it’s just me, maybe I’m just lucky, but I have been using linux exclusively for about 3 years now on a desktop, multiple laptops and obviously servers. Have I experienced any issues? Yes, there were small issues from time to time, but nothing that I would not have with windows. But in terms of day to day operations and performing basic tasks, linux has been the superior user experience for me without a doubt.

I used to believe that linux is great for servers, and sucks for desktops and laptops, but ever since I made the switch, I have completely changed my mind. I still use windows because I have to, but the most annoying part of switching to linux was that windows has become even more annoying to use.

HughJanus ,

I’ve resorted to just creating accounts for other people for them, updating the avatar and profile, following people and hashtags that might interest them, and then just handing them the login info.

Tolookah , to maliciouscompliance in Don't follow the manual, follow what I say!

The thing with incompetent managers is that they don’t realize when you’re asking for a paper trail. Good on you for getting the instruction on paper.

entropicshart ,
@entropicshart@lemmy.world avatar

That is the best part; such confident incompetence coming back to bite them in the ass.

LanternEverywhere ,

Yup, always CYA - Cover Your Ass.

Personally i would've also gotten him on audio recording saying it, and then emailed that audio recording to myself through gmail to prove the time stamp of it was before you did the action. Also it would be good to take a picture of the work log and gmail it to yourself too. When records like work logs and corporate emails are in the hands of the company, they sometimes "disappear" when it would prove them wrong and you right.

lemmylommy , to nostupidquestions in How to de-radicalize my mom's youtube algorithm?

In the google account privacy settings you can delete the watch and search history. You can also delete a service such as YouTube from the account, without deleting the account itself. This might help starting afresh.

twistedtxb , (edited )
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I was so weirded out when I found out that you can hear ALL of your “hey Google” recordings. In these settings.

BombOmOm ,
@BombOmOm@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, anything you send Google/Amazon/Facebook they will keep. I have been moving away from them. Protonmail for email, etc.

Mothra , to asklemmy in What isn't illegal but should be?
@Mothra@mander.xyz avatar

Supermarkets and businesses throwing food away and not allowing people to take it for free. (“If I can’t sell it nobody can have it”).

Cryophilia ,

Would only work if you also made them immune from lawsuits due to people getting sick from eating expired food.

wewbull ,

The food would presumably “last moment before expiry” i.e. we can’t sell this tomorrow so we give it away tonight.

Zak ,
@Zak@lemmy.world avatar

Expiration dates on packaged food are almost always about how enjoyable the food is to eat, not safety. Donating expired packaged food with legal protection from liability would be good for the world.

eldavi ,

they already are under the good samaritan laws; they use lawsuits as an excuse for their shitty behavior.

Cryophilia ,

Depends on your location. Good Samaritan laws vary widely.

lolola , to asklemmy in How do I pronounce "Kamala"?
@lolola@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Obama, Obamala, 'bamala, Kamala

Hegar ,
@Hegar@fedia.io avatar

That's one of the cleverest pronunciation guides I've ever seen.

shinigamiookamiryuu ,

Thanks Obamala.

Hikermick ,

Oh shit here come the conspiracy theories now…

Track_Shovel ,

Guise. Guise. They’re both black… Dons tinfoil hat

Hikermick ,

Tomorrow on Alex Jones’ podcast: Kamala Harris is actually Barrack Obama in drag. It’s all part of his nefarious plan to subverting term limits and force Healthcare on everyone.

xavier666 ,

RW people: “Wait a min…”

EurekaStockade ,

Whoa Black Betty, 'bamala

The_Che_Banana ,

…Fee-fi fo-mala, Kah-malllah! 🎵

ShittyBeatlesFCPres , to asklemmy in What life hack is so simple yet so effective, you're shocked more people don't know about it?

Learn to cook the base of meals in different cultures. Like a Sofrito.

Most of the best classic dishes in the world really start with three or four ingredients and are just variations. You shouldn’t overthink it or buy rare ingredients. You’re better off picking one and mastering the basic steps. Learning to cook isn’t about learning to recreate a chef-cooked meal. It’s about learning to cook simple, cheap ingredients.

diegantobass ,
@diegantobass@lemmy.world avatar

Hey that’s a quality life changing hack right here. Food is the most important thing with sleep.

Would you have a list of those base meals maybe ?

@dephyre mentionned refried beans with rice in the thread. @DeltaTangoLima responded with bottled (canned) pasta sauce. I’d say learn how to make ratatouille and store (can) some when you can get the ingredient (green bell pepper, zucchinis, eggplan, tomatoes) at the right time of the year.

ShittyBeatlesFCPres , (edited )

It’s usually just to take a small amount of delicious oil or fat — whatever you have on hand — and saute diced onions with diced bell pepper (or local equivalent) until the onions are slightly transparent. Keep going if you want the onions start being brown and have a sweet flavor. That brown is just the natural sugars coming out of the onion and is what “caramelizes” means. Caramel is sugar. And then add garlic and/or ginger and whatever spices you like.

If you want to, add meat. If you don’t, do not. (Often, that very oil step is done from browning meat and not wasting the fat.)

If you want soup, add a lot of liquid and whatever and cook it slowly. If you want paella, jambalaya, jollof, biryani, or equivalent — every culture has a rice dish — use the rice recipe on the bag as if it were water. (Use stock if you have any but water works fine.)

There are dishes that are different. Like fried rice and French Toast use old rice and toast respectively. Baking is a science. But anyone can make a pot of delicious with a few ingredients and it’s a 10 minute, one pot meal.

memfree ,
@memfree@lemmy.ml avatar

This is the way.

You start frying an onion and then figure out what you’re making for dinner.

return2ozma OP ,
@return2ozma@lemmy.world avatar

There’s a book that you should pickup…

Salt Fat Acid Heat by Samin Nosrat

It really covers everything you’ll need to be able to cook anything. They even made a 4 part series about it on Netflix.

Ziggurat ,

Is it even a life hack, or an essential life skill. Most us didn’t formally learned, but have seen/helped our parents from an early age and one day, we ended up in a student room meaning it was time to cook

ShittyBeatlesFCPres ,

When the pandemic happened, there were people who didn’t know how to make the easiest meals. I was shocked. So, my rule on recipes is that nothing is too basic.

whostosay ,

I really like this. Do you have any resources I can check out that cover this?

Hugh_Jeggs ,

A good example is The Curry Guy. Dan somebody?

Make a huge batch of base curry sauce, and then with a few more ingredients you can make dozens of Indian and Bangladeshi dishes

He’s got loads of recipes on his site, but his book is really useful in a kitchen

HonkTonkWoman ,

I started watching Babish & Weissman’s channels on YouTube during the pandemic. Both of them put out easy to follow videos, but they also include links to recipes in the video description, so you don’t have to write it all down.

The Basics with Babish videos are great because they show multiple dishes with a given protein.

jelloeater85 ,
@jelloeater85@lemmy.world avatar

I watch them both a ton, good stuff. Weissman can be a little snooty tho. K Keni Lopez-Alt is amazing 😍

HonkTonkWoman ,

Weissman does get a bit snooty & high priced at times. He also gets a lil too juvenile for my taste, but that’s my taste…

With his higher priced dishes, he does typically offer cost cutting options as goes through, which is nice.

I really like that both Babish & Weissman tell you why they’re using certain ingredients. That little bit of why helps me with substitutions if I ever don’t have or don’t like something used.

jelloeater85 ,
@jelloeater85@lemmy.world avatar

For sure, like some of his stuff is really good

norimee ,

I just found a japanese comfort food staple: Ochazuke - green tea rice. It just needs a couple of ingredients and is super quick. I was blown away by how good and comforting it was. Its Comfort in a quick bowl. And it’s super adaptable. You can basically add anything as tipping.

This is the blogpost that inspired me rasamalaysia.com/green-tea-rice/

OttoVonNoob , to asklemmy in People younger than 30, what advice would you give to people over 30?

There’s no shame in changing your mind, there is no shame in needing help, there is no shame in self improvement, try to love yourself as a whole and work towards changing the things you don’t love.

TwoBeeSan ,

That changing your mind is so key. Often times people attach personal value to opinions as though they’re related.

The ego gets involved when it should fuck right off.

intensely_human ,

Sometimes people around them don’t make it any easier. If people around a person immediately show contempt to a person who admits they were wrong, it enforces a microculture where change is going to be harder and more painful than necessary.

noobdoomguy8658 ,

This is a real problem with changing your mind.

I can’t believe how many times I’ve been told I’ve changed when I no longer found something funny or said something that I wouldn’t have in my teen years.

One of the longest-running opinions of mine that hasn’t been disproved yet is that many people just don’t really mature or age mentally, it seems; they just grow older, without accumulating much if any wisdom.

captainlezbian ,

Some grow wiser, but one of the lessons of my 20s has been you have to do it on purpose. I’m not wiser than I was 5 years ago on accident.

intensely_human ,

You can also love the parts you’re going to change, as you change them. You don’t have to turn off the love to do surgery.

captainlezbian ,

That’s very true. I routinely change the parts of me I love. I try to make them better. I’m a kind and loving person, but I’m trying to change that from a selfless form to a self preserving form. To know my limits and stop pouring from an empty cup.

intensely_human ,

You can even love the parts you are saying goodbye to. Not improving, but eliminating. You never have to turn off the love at all ever for anything.

bleistift2 , to programmer_humor in Average CSS

The author should be killed for indentation alone.

mosiacmango ,

I know, right? Needs more tab.

afox ,

We are witnessing a hate crime.

captain_aggravated , to lemmyshitpost in These AI generated pics are becoming impossible to spot
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

Transcript of me examining this picture:

"Okay, face looks okay, jacket makes sense, let’s look at the hands. Looks like four fingers on her left hand there, the right hand, thumb’s a little screwy, is that a stick or is she part tarsier? Something’s kind of screwy there. Boots look about right, there’s even a pretty decent depth of field on the sho-THE FIRE IS IN THE TENT.

beneeney ,
@beneeney@lemm.ee avatar

Man I didn’t even notice the fire in the tent until I read your comment …

Veneroso ,

You’re not alone. I expect far too long focused on the hands and face…

captain_aggravated ,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

Also is this an AI making a dumb blonde joke?

Veneroso ,

I mean I can think of a few ways to keep a text warm. A few ways involving a dumb blonde…

This ain’t it chief!

Though considering I didn’t notice the location of the fire until reading the comment, maybe I should the dumb blonde…

Reminds me of the Dad joke: Set a man a fire, he’s warm for the night. Set a man on fire, he’ll be warm the rest of his life!

That tent is about to get real hot…

fadedmaster ,
@fadedmaster@sh.itjust.works avatar

I noticed the fire and I noticed the tent. I was too distracted by the hands to notice that the fire was in the tent… What has AI images done to me? Haha.

maxinstuff ,
@maxinstuff@lemmy.world avatar

The eyes see what they want to see 🤷‍♂️

zarkanian ,
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It’s like that test where you count the number of basketballs and miss the guy in the gorilla costume.

yggstyle , to nostupidquestions in So is Israel just going to completely overtake Palestine?

This may not be a popular response but when did the nazi regime stop? When did China stop with it’s cleansing? America and manifest destiny? I could go on… Humanity needs to realize that we are pretty shitty in general and can’t be trusted when it comes to hatred, entitlement, and tribalism.

The solution is a neutral third party with sufficient power to stop any country’s bullshit through economic and military (actual) peacekeeping… which doesn’t exist nor will it ever.

So the short answer is they will stop when the cleansing is complete.

After the deed is done we as ‘civilized’ nations will lament the tragedy and promise change… until the media cycle washes all those sins down the drain and it will be forgotten until next time.

Surp ,
@Surp@lemmy.world avatar

I am in no way saying what’s going on is right…anytime massive amounts of life is taken it’s horrible. With that being said you realize that there isn’t a single country in the entire world that wasn’t built on the blood of others? Every civilization that’s here now destroyed some other one. People act like they live in some place that asked nicely to have the land they have.

yggstyle ,

Oh, I’m fully aware. Tribalism is the lizard brain going deeeep in the paint. The problem is this: peaceful culture doesn’t fight back - aggressive culture exploits this: which one thrives? We have systematically bred for and codified our warlike nature. This is the result. Is it fixable? Many have tried. Our history books are littered with both failed attempts and their distorted remains. All I can say for certain is that the way the majority of countries are structured… isn’t it. This is fundamentally why achieving a fix is nearly impossible at scale: tribalism. Even if we are wrong it’s our wrong and we don’t want to lose it. This is rooted in fear of change which from a survival aspect makes sense… but becomes detrimental at scale.

Surp ,
@Surp@lemmy.world avatar

I agree with what you’re saying and it’s too bad most people are too stupid to move forward with that mindset because I for one would rather we could all get along but for invisible reasons many people can’t…which is in itself quite unintelligent

thesporkeffect ,

No. Moral. States

YourPrivatHater ,

This is the most reasonable approach, but as seen with the UN, wich as the sum of its parts failed to keep dictatorships out wich now basically control everything but the security Council and the ICJ, its a Utopist approach sadly. There cant be a peace unless Israel takes over Palestine and treats the people that live there now as equal (wich they do already btw, the myth about apartheid is BS there are many Arab Palestinians living in Israel and many went to work in Israel from gaza) but the problem with the surrounding terrorists is another problem.

Carrolade ,

The claim of Israeli apartheid does not pertain to the status of Israeli Arabs fyi. It pertains to de facto Israeli control of Gaza and the West Bank, where any time they want the IDF can exercise as much control as they want, by virtue of superior firepower.

Hamas, for instance, only persisted because the Israelis allowed it. Israel controlled the majority of access to the regions, and could and did unilaterally police them with military force at will.

YourPrivatHater ,

Yeah shure because Hamas isnt constantly firing rockets into Israel… If there is a defakto control how exactly would the 7th October have happened…

This is just idiotic.

Carrolade ,

De facto control does not mean 100% control over every event that happens. People are still humans, and capable of making errors. It is not mind reading/mind control powers, those are still impossible.

YourPrivatHater ,

Yeah shure…

Israel has defakto 0 control over Gaza except for the borders normally. Everything inside is controlled by Hamas. And if you think otherwise you have never been there and you don’t know anything about it.

Carrolade ,

Except they would routinely send in military forces to capture terrorist suspects in a process they referred to as “mowing the grass”. It’s even more pronounced in the West Bank, where the Israeli settlements are thoroughly intermingled with the Palestinian ones, and the Palestinians had relatively few powers over their own security.

It’s not a simple thing, unfortunately. Middle Eastern politics seldom are, just in general.

YourPrivatHater ,

The civilians in Palestinia in general are victims, thats clear, but the reason they are is hamas and the narrative they propagate about the victim hood that got somehow transferred through generations just as their state as refugees would have according to them.

But yes the settlement thing is a shitshow, but nither side recognized the existence of the other and both claim the possession of the entire area, however, Israel clearly has more rights to it due to the fact that the people in Gaza and the other parts aren’t the people that lived there before Israel, they are mostly the descendants of the Arabs that attacked Israel shortly after it was declared a state, with the intention of a genocide. The original Palestinians live in Israel (many of them btw killed on the 7th October pogrom/genocide attempt) and have the same rights as the Christians, jews and everyone else, Israel is a super diverse country with lots of immigrants from all over the world. The claims about apartheid by Hamas (supported by un) are absolutely outlandish and just not true.

Oh and… When you have terrorists as you neighborhood you gotta make shure they don’t plot teroristic shit and remove the ones that do. That doesn’t mean anything about control thats just trying to keep a never ending Forrest fire within certain boundaries.

Carrolade ,

The claim of Israeli apartheid is not a hamas claim, it’s acknowledged by various Israelis as well. Neither Gaza nor, especially the West Bank, has had full independence in many years.

Note, I am not talking about any Israeli citizens. I am talking about Israeli non-citizens who live under Israeli restrictions and off-and-on military control. This is the nature of apartheid. A people that is separate, but not fully independent. An in-between state of conquest, where you’re sort-of conquered but not really and have some, but not full, freedoms.

YourPrivatHater ,

Uhhh autonomous regions that don’t see themselves as part of a country and behave like that are obviously not treated like citizens… Thats not apartheid thats common sense. And Israel blockade of Gaza is 100% justified because hamas uses basically everything as weapon transport.

Carrolade ,

Except it is not under full Palestinian control either. Some things are controlled by Palestinians, other things are indeed controlled by Israelis. When a country is exercising partial control over citizens that are not its own, something odd is happening.

You can justify it if you like, but it is not the normal way of things where free people are concerned.

YourPrivatHater ,

No its not normal and people living in a country governed by terrorists are never free, be gay in the autonomous region and you get to choose between being thrown of a building or hung or something worse…

There is no such thing as freedom as long as there are terrorists and as long as most support them.

Oh and both Israel and the autonomous region do claim ownership of each others territory and by that the people, so. Yes. Its complicated.

Carrolade ,

Extremely complicated, certainly. But I hope my point that the apartheid claim, very specifically, is pretty hard to argue with comes through. It does not refer to any Israeli citizens, that’s a separate topic. It is not strictly hamas propaganda, it’s just a criticism of one part of a very complicated and difficult situation. The line that it is propaganda is actually itself, propaganda.

The only way to make it untrue was if Palestinians had full legal control over the West Bank, which they do not. Gaza is a murkier situation. It’s really about the West Bank though, not hamas or Gaza.

YourPrivatHater ,

I meant the claim some people propagate about the apartheid within Israeli society, wich is propaganda. The claim that there is some sort of apartheid between Israeli and Palestinians is nothing to argue about, thats basically a fact, the reasons however are another thing.

The legal autonomy of Palestinia would mean Israels acknowledgement of Palestinia as a country, wich should not happen, as it would likely cause even more problems. In my personal opinion Israel needs to take action and remove the autonomous region from the map, there is no working two state solution as it will always lead to problems. True peace will only be possible when integration happens and the terrorists are hunted down to extinction or until they only exist in prison forever.

This is also why i strongly condemn the acknowledgement of Palestinia, especially after 7th October. This only fuels the Hamas and Islamistic jihad recruitment massively “It works!” works wonders in such cases, thats why it should not work.

Carrolade ,

The only issue with that is Israel’s wish to remain a Jewish state. If they added all of those Palestinians as free and equal citizens, then that would shift the demographics of Israel sufficiently to put that at risk. So, they have to choose between values of freedom and equality, vs being a Jewish state, vs giving up that land.

Or they could attempt to remove all the people somehow.

No easy solutions, unfortunately. As usual for the Middle East.

YourPrivatHater ,

I mean most of the hardcore islamists will either be killed as terrorists or flee the state Israel anyway (so likely about 50%). And in the end i can absolutely understand Israel regarding this goal. The goal is to keep their own citizens safe from the terrorism and from the antisemitism that is very big in the world. Israel got this territory from UK and they still have to fight for it. The entire region around Israeli borders is no mans land due to the very frequent bombardings from hamas and hezbolla. The Iron dome can only take out about 90% and the regions near border can’t be protected due to the warning time (10 seconds at max) the region is completely evaluated in the month after 7th October over 10.000 rockets Rained on Israel. And the daily average is about 100 to 200 since.

No peace is possible as long as these terrorists are alive and i absolutely hope Israel ignores all the outside “criticism” regarding the military operation and just removes them now.

One thing is easy, terrorists need to be gone for peace.

Carrolade ,

I do agree that terrorism is a problem that needs to be dealt with. The problem is when innocents get caught up in the middle. If you just call a whole people or whole religion terrorist as an excuse to get rid of them, you’re just a generic conquerer, and a liar on top.

YourPrivatHater ,

Thats not what im saying, i live with many Muslims in my neighborhood they are nice, respectful and open people, but the terrorists in Gaza and around Israel take their own civilians hostage and do stuff to endanger them on purpose. Its not possible to fight them without casualtys and collateral damages. Also these people take their religion as excuse to try to commit genocide, repeatedly.

Carrolade ,

Yes, terrorists do do those things. But some collateral damage is one thing. All the possible collateral damage is genocide. If Netanyahu tries to drive all the Palestinians away, he has become as bad as what the Jewish people fled.

Just because some bad people are doing bad things does not give you an excuse to drop bombs on everyone. That is no good.

You do not want to become just as bad as what you hate, doing whatever it takes. Or you become them. A good person must try harder.

YourPrivatHater ,

Thats not true for several reasons but im too tired to argue all of this.

One of those points is that the original Palestinian people are already part of Israel and currently only the Arab “Palestinians” are a problem. Maybe learn more about the conflict. But this goes for 99% of the people here, most here dont know shit about the conflict.

If peace in the region means driving those people away i think its justified, the jews have been on that side for the majority of history and still are, this conflict began because the Arab Palestinians tried to commit a actual genocide against the Israeli Jewish people.

Carrolade ,

No, the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict began far, far earlier than Oct 7th, that was just the most recent flare-up. It’s complicated, remember?

The key is to not be evil, and to try not to kill too many people. You cannot escape the evil of killing innocent people, there is no acceptable justification. Some would be war. But too many is bad. Are the Israelis good people, or are they Huns? We shall see.

YourPrivatHater ,

Bro, i meant the attempted genocide right after Israel was founded.

And its not evil to some day have enough about being the scapegoat for everyone and a easy target. Si vis pacem para bellum

Carrolade ,

Oh, I see. I don’t know about genocide back then, it was really just various wars after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire. Some atrocities, but nothing into the thousands.

No, if your “enough” is just taking living space over the bones and ashes of others, you are commiting evil. There are other ways.

YourPrivatHater ,

Oh, I see. I don’t know about genocide back then, it was really just various wars after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire. Some atrocities, but nothing into the thousand

Nah man they tried to kill all the jews in the first Arab Israeli war. They couldn’t because Israel was supported by the most important players.

No, if your “enough” is just taking living space over the bones and ashes of others, you are commiting evil. There are other ways.

What place isnt a gigantic graveyard? All modern civilizations are built on graveyards and if it takes another one to have more peace for longer thats a thing that wouldn’t be too bad.

This region in particular has probably seen more war in humanitys existence than most other places did. Why blame Israel for defending themselves? If your neighbors constantly throw trash into your garden you either throw them back or get the police involved. If your neighbor is a murderous psychopath you would buy a weapon to defend yourself, and you would use it when necessary. In that case, you killed someone for your living place.

Oh and Israel didn’t take shit, it was given to them by England after WW2 and as said, they constantly need to fight for what is rightfully theirs.

Carrolade ,

Israel isn’t fighting just the bad neighbor though, they’re using that bad neighbor as an excuse to kill many good neighbors too. All Palestinians are not all bad, some are innocent.

They actually weren’t given it by Britain after WW2 either, that’s not even close. Fresh Jewish settlement in the area began somewhere around the 1900s-1920s, and they actually purchased the land with gathered funds for the purpose. Life between the Jewish settlers and the Palestinians was initially peaceful. I’ll warn you, I’m a history guy, I love this stuff.

History is an ugly thing, certainly, the important thing is that we do better, and learn from the errors. This is how we can avoid living in such miserable times as our ancestors were often forced to, so often making foolish choices and burning their own countries to the ground out of hubris, like Germany or Japan in WW2 did.

The first Arab-Israeli War was a little more complicated than that. Jewish militias were actually conquering land at that point in something called Plan Dalet, it was something of a civil war in the broader region between the Jewish and Palestinian factions. After the Israeli declaration of independence, yes, a large coalition of countries did try to eject them. It was won by the Israelis though, and they were rewarded for that with gains. These wars do not give excuse to kill the descendents of those people, though, right? Each person should be judged for what they do, not their fathers, or their neighbors.

Don’t think the Israelis are innocent angels that never conquered or committed atrocities in their early history either. It was a very ugly time with both sides being pretty horrendous at different points. Modern Israel has taken steps at different points to be better than that though, returning to the peaceful ways of the original settlers under people like Rabin, before Netanyahu took over. They can do that again, it is not too late.

YourPrivatHater ,

Ukraine is killing many Russians that are probably “good people” as well…

The argument makes no sense and im not going to take this any further.

Carrolade ,

Probably not that many, actually, most of the Russian casualties are uniformed soldiers. All the Russians would need to do to stop the death would be withdraw anyway. Can the Gazans withdraw anywhere, or no?

YourPrivatHater ,

Probably… Thats just bs.

Carrolade ,

You should actually look into why they’re all still there then, even though self-preservation says that’s a terrible idea.

YourPrivatHater ,

What?

Carrolade ,

There’s immigrants moving all over the world, right? Going to Europe, America, etc. Why are Gazans still there, where there’s not enough food, fresh water, there’s only tents to live in, and a war rages around them? Millions of them. Don’t the mothers want their babies to live? Why don’t they flee like everyone else in the same sort of situation?

It’s not hard to answer, just look it up when you get around to it.

I’d say, but I’m trying to wind down the conversation.

YourPrivatHater ,

Because they stay there thinking its their right. Thinking they deserve to destroy Israel.

Also, before hamas pulled off the 7th October shitshow Gaza and Palestine was relatively save and began to economicaly get on track.

Also most refugees are a very very small portion of the people from a area, most stay. Even in Mariupol Ukraine there are still people, even in actual warzones where the invading military (Russia) hunts civilians.

Right now they can’t leave because of the terrorist attack, nobody wants those terrorists to get away into another country.

Why do jews still exist even after being literally hunted for most of history?

Carrolade ,

Not hamas, Gazans that have no hamas affiliation. Could they enter Egypt? Could they enter Israel? Are there any other neighboring countries? Could they get on a boat, or a plane?

While yes, some always stay behind, a great many flee. Most do not stick around. Mariupol was encircled quickly, look at the towns in Eastern Ukraine where they had a lot of warning before the enemy arrived. Jews usually fled, that’s why Israel was founded in the first place, right? A place to flee to.

At any rate, in Gaza, almost nobody has fled. Some should flee, right? But they actually cannot. Physically cannot, prevented by other people.

YourPrivatHater ,

Maybe you should do a little research about why they don’t go away and why nobody from outside takes them. And yes Hamas. Hamas is the root of problems. Btw, many gaza refugees live in Europe… And they despise most people still in gaza saying “these are the people responsible for all of the deaths, its not Israel shooting civilians left and right, its not Israelis going into “Palestine” with the IDF and spitting on dead people or killing them” this is a direct quote from one of the people i work with, he is a refuge from gaza, and he said that going out is not hard (was, currently it definitely is) and that they are allowed to leave into Israel when they want to move away.

Most don’t want to go, it would be admitting defeat after almost 70 years of trying to get rid of Israel.

Shure Israel is blocking the entrys and exits now and was strictly regulating before. Iran already sends hamas weapons through tunnels, don’t need the terrorists to leave and regroup outside of gaza for a attack on Israel. Don’t need more Iranian weapons in Gaza, especially not even more Rockets.

You people argue that Israel should let a region with majority support for a terrorist organization, especially their genocide attacks, do whatever they want.

apnews.com/…/israel-hamas-palestinians-opinion-po…

timesofisrael.com/…/poll-over-70-palestinians-sti… *

middleeasteye.net/…/war-gaza-poll-shows-palestini… *

(* same poll different sources)

The insanity is beyond reason.

Carrolade ,

I’m sorry for upsetting you, but don’t put words in my mouth. I’m not arguing to let Gazans “do whatever they want”, I have not said that or anything similar. If you remember, I said earlier that terrorists need to be dealt with, right?

It’s those innocents, those that are not part of hamas, that’s the sticking point. For whatever good or bad reasons they cannot leave, the fact is that today, they 100% cannot leave. So, they should not be callously butchered and/or starved simply because of what their fathers and neighbors have done.

YourPrivatHater ,

Yes but they aren’t being starved on purpose, Israel isn’t targeting the civilians, that would be super counterproductive for them as more people would join the terrorists. Also Israel, contrary to popular belief does not have enough material to waste it on civilians. They fight a four front war against the Palestinian terrorists, the ones from Lebanon(hezbolla), the ones from the Egyptian border (hezbolla) and whatever Iran is currently plotting.

There is food getting into Gaza, its not enough for everyone, hut they try. They have to keep themselves save first however, you can’t help anyone when you are dead. Nato is even airlifting supplys into Gaza where its not possible to get trucks with food.

The narrative being pushed by hamas is “Israel kills all our people with bombs and starves the children” this is textbook recruitment propaganda. They celebrate every single dead jew btw.

Carrolade ,

Yes, hamas is not good people, I do not trust them. I don’t trust politicians either though, especially the more extreme ones.

That’s why I say what sort of people the Israelis are remains to be seen. We don’t know yet. We won’t know until this is all over and we see what has become of those Gazans that are innocent. Will they be alive or dead? That will be telling.

YourPrivatHater ,

Well, most are alive, most dead are terrorists or where used by them as human shields.

I do trust politicians waaaay more than terrorists. Even the extreme ones. Because they can be hold accountable. Terrorists are by definition illegal by Geneva conventions. Especially because they do target civilians.

Carrolade ,

A politician loyal to his own laws and courts, sure, I absolutely trust them more. They’re aren’t all, though. Ultimately a terrorist and a politician with no regard for their own law are very similar. Power-mad. A terrorist can even become a politician, it happens sometimes.

CapeWearingAeroplane ,

Israel recognised Palestinian civilian and security control of the West bank in the Oslo accords from the 90’s. They are blatantly shitting on their own promises whenever a genocidic occupier or their enabling security forces set foot on the West Bank without express permission from the Palestinian West Bank government.

YourPrivatHater ,

Yeah the promise to ignore all genocidal attempts, rocket barrages and what not. You are not just a clown, you are the entire fucking clown academy.

prole , (edited )

“rocket barrages” lol that’s rich.

Then Israel responds by murdering 100x civilians including women and children.

Complete disproportionate response after Iron Dome basically prevents any Israelis from dying from those so-called “rocket barrages.”

Each time it’s one or two Israeli soldiers killed by the one rocket out of 40 that made it in, and by a week later 1,200 Palestinian civilians are murdered. Cool.

Over and over for 5+ decades. It’s just objective fact, the numbers are publicly available. I don’t forget, so the people in Gaza and the West Bank sure as shit don’t (between fighting off “settlers” with AR-15s from New Jersey storming their villages in the middle of the night). Israel created every Palestinian terrorist after decades of oppression, displacement, apartheid, and dire hopelessness. Almost like it’s what they wanted.

And now literal genocide. Their end goal. A final solution if you will.

YourPrivatHater ,

Textbook Hamas propaganda. Absolut mental diarrhea and just misinformation.

Wow. Go away nazi.

zbyte64 ,

I mean if you born in Gaza your birth needs to be registered with Israel. Otherwise you will lack the necessary documents to get through the checkpoints.

YourPrivatHater ,

Obviously, Gaza or Palestinia in general doesn’t give out recognized papers. Its a autonomous region for a reason.

They wouldn’t be allowed to enter any other country without said documents either.

There is no actual reason why it should ne otherwise.

zbyte64 ,

“Autonomous region” is a technical label, but it does not negate the fact they don’t control their borders or who ultimately says their children are actual people.

Trainguyrom ,

UN, which… failed to keep dictatorships out

The UN while created with noble intentions certainly fell for the paradox of tolerance. They tolerate the dictatorships and human rights abusers because if they didn’t they’d be much less empowered to take action against them, or worse they’d form their own competing UN made up of nations motivated to join them and you’d just end up with another NATO and Warsaw Pact for example. It’s damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

Ultimately the challenge comes down to how do you ultimately tame the leaders of the world who have absolute power. The founding fathers of the United States of America thought they had the solution with democracy and the many checks and balances they implemented into this new form of government they setup, but even that has its challenges and failures that they never could have forseen. The UN was the next experiment, trying to take the similar principles onto the world stage, and it’s been less successful (but at least has had some successes)

YourPrivatHater ,

The UN while created with noble intentions certainly fell for the paradox of tolerance. They tolerate the dictatorships and human rights abusers because if they didn’t they’d be much less empowered to take action against them, or worse they’d form their own competing UN made up of nations motivated to join them and you’d just end up with another NATO and Warsaw Pact for example. It’s damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

Yes absolutely but the dictatorships and shitshow countries (china for example) keep growing in numbers, if this trend isn’t reversed fast, UN fails as a whole and there is no saving.

It would be better in my opinion to have two options, democratic union and whatever the dictatorships do with each other, because the only thing that united them is being against democracy and Israel. UN, in my personal opinion, already failed as a whole and is beyond saving.

Ultimately the challenge comes down to how do you ultimately tame the leaders of the world who have absolute power. The founding fathers of the United States of America thought they had the solution with democracy and the many checks and balances they implemented into this new form of government they setup, but even that has its challenges and failures that they never could have forseen.

The big part of a government is, that it has power to enforce whatever it decides, UN gladly does not have any meaningful power, Israel would be gone by now otherwise.

The UN was the next experiment, trying to take the similar principles onto the world stage, and it’s been less successful (but at least has had some successes)

Well those successes slowly but steadily crumble away, the most institutions have failed, WHO is doing its job only half assed (especially the making shure hospital aren’t used as military bases) the human rights Council is majorly filled with people that think human rights are shit and only need to apply it when it fits against the west or Israel specifically, the General Assembly is almost the same. (fun fact, the day of the Russian attack on Ukraine the general assembly voted about condemning Israel for something… Again. Most resolutions are against Israel.) Oh and the entire UNHWR wich is definitely more than partially responsible for hamas doing what they do.

UN isn’t even a diplomatic forum anymore.

Keeponstalin ,

The Apartheid is very much real, and, while to a much lesser extent than the Palestinian Occupied Territories, also applies to the Palestinian Citizens of Israel

Socio-economic gaps between Palestinian and Jewish Israeli citizens are the result of discriminatory policies pursued over decades. Historically, Israel prevented its Palestinian citizens from accessing livelihoods under its 18-year-long military rule, and used them, at different times, as a source of cheap labour in order to preserve the interests of the Jewish majority. In addition to cruel land seizures, other discriminatory policies have led to Palestinians’ social and economic deprivation: the exclusion of Palestinian localities from high priority areas for development, the discriminatory allocation of land and water for agriculture as well as discriminatory planning and zoning, and the failure to implement major infrastructure development projects in Palestinian communities.

The blockade and Israel’s repeated military offensives have had a heavy toll on Gaza’s essential infrastructure and further debilitated its health system and economy, leaving the area in a state of perpetual humanitarian crisis. Indeed, Israel’s collective punishment of Gaza’s civilian population, the majority of whom are children, has created conditions inimical to human life due to shortages of housing, potable water and electricity, and lack of access to essential medicines and medical care, food, educational equipment and building materials.

Other reports about how Israel is an Apartheid State:

Human Rights Watch Report

B’TSelem Report with quick Explainer

YourPrivatHater ,

…wikipedia.org/…/Criticism_of_Human_Rights_Watch

…wikipedia.org/…/Criticism_of_Amnesty_Internation…

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/B'Tselem

I think you might need to read this i won’t read your comment or open those links, your sources are very openly and clearly biased and known to be very antisemitic and to hate Israel. There is nothing to gain from them.

Keeponstalin ,

Criticism of the Human Rights Abuses of the Israeli State and Anti-zionism are not antisemitism. You are choosing to be willfully ignorant. Israel does NOT represent all Jewish people, nor does their actions. There have been prominent Jewish people extremely critical of Zionism since it’s inception, are you seriously saying they are antisemitic too?

Israel is the one that intentionally conflates the two in order to deflect from criticizm. When Israel commits war crimes, or human rights abuses, or land grabbing, they are the ones that claim they do so for all Jewish people. When Zionist actions are criticized, they call it antisemitic. The conflation of the two is genuinely antisemitic, as the actions of Israel in no way represent all Jewish people.

If you don’t want to be naive, I suggest you read the reports by human rights organizations. They are not antisemitic, unless you think advocates for a Secular Bi-National State with equal rights for both Israelis and Palestinians is also antisemitic, which is insane.

Year before Oct 7 - Jewish Voice for Peace

2023 is ‘deadliest year’ for Palestinian children say human rights groups (Oct 6th)

HRW Events of 2022 and HRW Events of 2023

YourPrivatHater ,

Jewish voice for peace is a super left wing anti Israel organization.

New Arab is a shitshow. Also yeah shure the 10k rockets hamas fired from gaza after 7th had a 20% failure rate… They are usually fired from residential areas or sometimes from school/hospitals. So yeah shure many gaza children died. “OH SAVE THE CHILDREN!” they screamed as they murdered children from another religion/ethnicity…

HRW again, im not reading that, i cant even, ive blocked their domains in my DNS due to given reason provided.

Oh and yes i absolutely see a two state solution as absolutely impossible and borderline Antisemitic currently (after 7th October)

CapeWearingAeroplane , (edited )

You are aware that what Israel is doing in Gaza is comparable to the nazi treatment of e.g. the Warsaw ghettos… right?

Take a step back, and look at the Israeli soldiers mocking Palestinian dead, mistreating the wounded and captured, and shooting at clearly unarmed civilians for fun. All this while they brag about it on video. Look at that and tell me that it doesn’t give you a sick feeling to your stomach of the type you haven’t had since you saw photos of concentration camps.

There are dozens of children that have literally STARVED TO DEATH in Gaza because of Israel’s actions. They’re dying the same deaths that Jews were put through in concentration camps. Don’t you see the horrifying irony in this?

Israel is at a point where humanitarian workers from recognised international organisations have been targeted and killed, and they brush it off as a “mistake”.

I cannot think about anything in the past 70 years that compares to what Israel is doing, and I hope beyond hope that some force will smite their government and armed forces such that the slaughter will stop. Because it is a slaughter. It’s not a war when Israel is counting its dead on its fingers, while there are enough missing Palestinians in the rubble to fill a football stadium. It’s just Israel wilfully bombing, burning and slaughtering, with nobody stopping them.

All this, and you have the fucking audacity to talk about antisemitism? Take a look at the world, and ask yourself how calling for an end to this can have anything to do with the religious beliefs of the perpetrators.

YourPrivatHater , (edited )

You are aware that you talk absolut mental diarrhea and make not a single coherent sentence in the above comment…

Oh and “THE CHILDREN!!!”

Im blocking you now, arguing with you is like trying to teach a wall to do a backflip.

StupidBrotherInLaw ,

What a class A moron. You can’t even respond to a single thing they say, so it’s just “mental diarrhea”. Every one of your comments is evading their points so hard, your mental gymnastics would qualify you for the Special Olympics if they didn’t have a minimum IQ requirement.

aliteral ,

As a person with jewish ancestry, what you are spewing makes me feel ill. Antizionism is not antisemitism. If it were, so many jews will be antisemitic? Please, grow up.

YourPrivatHater ,

As a person with German ancestry i kindly don’t care if you personally are against it. Israel is a state and being for the abolishment of Israel is antisemitism, even from Jewish people.

Maybe learn about the history of a place outside of the Islamnazi propaganda.

aliteral ,

Oh, I learned plenty, and not from Islamic centered resources. But you wouldn’t be able to discern it because you are speaking from hate, not from facts. Besides, there are many jewish academics who support Palestine and are against the genocide of Palestinians. And neither they nor I claim that supporting them is antisemitic or that it requires the genocide of the Israeli people. Only someone with a warped and dellusional understanding of history could make the claims you make.

NeoNachtwaechter ,

party with sufficient power to stop any country’s bullshit

No. That would not be a solution for anything! That would just be an even bigger threat to humanity.

yggstyle ,

I disagree. It’s about execution - creating an environment that is resistant to corrosion. A standing force can absolutely be viewed in that manner - which is why it cannot be a single static standing force.

The UN is the right idea but it needs teeth. And it needs the teeth to be double sided. If boots are on the ground peacekeeping they should be without bias and secondary interest. An attack on a peacekeeper has no guarantee of the creed nor country of origin of that keeper.

Peacekeeping should be like a draft. Every country that participates must provide and maintain a set number of rolling participants. These people will serve and train initially in humanitarian deployments with others… half way through their ‘term’ they should be moved to peacekeeping duties. This is idealized but would be good for both building trust amongst peacekeepers and goodwill towards them. This solves the military portion (roughly) - I have a lot of thoughts on this and believe it to be solvable… it just won’t be. No country gets to benefit therefore it has no merit.

That covered the military side… when talking about the economic side: the peacekeepers (let’s say un for simplicity) carry the ability to (by vote) censure a country and cut it off from direct trade / support. At that time any trade is then routed through the UN and it becomes the middleman. This allows economic pressures to be precisely controlled on an area. Once that country falls in line, by majority vote, operations are restored. Once again this is idealized and has no obviously advantaged party … so it has no merit and will never occur.

Basically everyone is equally held accountable and equally invested. Of course this means everyone gets a seat at the table and everyone gets one vote. I’m certain we can already see why this has 0 chance of ever happening. Those in power seek to keep it - very few will willingly give some away.

NeoNachtwaechter ,

A nice dream, but only a dream.

Unfortunately man is not perfect enough for it to work. Therefore the outcome can be nothing else than a huge threat for mankind.

yggstyle ,

I said as much multiple times.

The point of that statement was to highlight that it is possible to construct something that does not allow for consolidation and corruption of power… which it did. Your view simply was looking at present day examples which, as you correctly identified, do not work. That doesn’t mean nothing can work however … which is why I disagreed.

It’s a fun mental exercise to what if and try to construct something that could work. Can’t tear something down without considering what rebuilding it would look like.

NeoNachtwaechter ,

That doesn’t mean nothing can work however

But yes, it does.

zbyte64 ,

Don’t interrupt someone doing what you said couldn’t be done.

ASeriesOfPoorChoices ,

be careful about using the term ‘execution’ here ;-)

yggstyle ,

…until morale improves? Dually noted lol.

SurpriZe ,

Options for this third party?

Soggy ,

Aliens.

SurpriZe ,

Which ones exactly

Kanda , to science_memes in Get scattered

Their

fossilesque OP ,
@fossilesque@mander.xyz avatar
ALoafOfBread ,

How do you explain me looking this psycho if there is no SATAN

fossilesque OP ,
@fossilesque@mander.xyz avatar
Duranie ,

Yep! That’s him!!!

fossilesque OP ,
@fossilesque@mander.xyz avatar

Well, it takes one to know one!

zbb ,

Do all devils have a private jet? Or just this one?

fossilesque OP ,
@fossilesque@mander.xyz avatar

Yes. Therefore, Taylor Swift must also be a devil. Science.

lost_faith ,

How can someone so “filled with the light of god” look so darn angry all the time?

jaden ,

Dead smile of someone who had too many pictures taken of them as a child. I like to think I preserved my authenticity by being a little monster during pictures as a child.

Transporter_Room_3 ,
@Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website avatar

Hanlon’s Razor and all that, but I just assume that’s to drive up interaction in the post.

Rant/ramble ahead, you can skip:

By misspelling something, or just doing/saying something that common sense should say is wrong (“life hack, I just discovered this thing that literally every 5 year old already knows about”) you will draw out all the people who are genuinely trying to help, people who just can’t help themselves but smugly correct someone, people who THINK they know the right way but aren’t sure, people who claim to have never seen the right way before, and all the bitch fights such comments produce.

The increased interactions make the post do better in algorithms, which means it goes out to more and more people, who continue the cycle.

My wife watches short form endless scrolling videos despite knowing how bad those are for your mental health, and some of the people she stops to watch are CONSTANTLY pulling the “common sense says otherwise” one. Like my dude you did NOT just figure out in your 20s that you can wait for the shower to warm up before you get in. Literal toddlers know better. It’s such a simple thing, I genuinely do not believe anyone in their 20s just gets in the shower while the water is still cold because they never figured out they can wait for the warm water. But hoooo boy did their video take off and have millions of views, and thousands of comments about how wild that is.

abfarid ,
@abfarid@startrek.website avatar

They’re*

Kanda ,

There, there

abfarid ,
@abfarid@startrek.website avatar

Xere, xere

Viking_Hippie ,

Hare, bear

realitista ,

Whenever these people write something, the spelling mistakes are all but inevitable. I’m really impressed if they manage to spell a whole sentence.

SkunkWorkz ,

Their isnoogod, your isnoogod, my isnoogod

It’s not racket skiense

sun_is_ra , to nostupidquestions in Why do teeth don't regenerate?

Your baby teeth and adult teeth all began developing before you were even born. Our DNA still contains all the genes that sharks use to grow their endless conveyor belt of replacement teeth, but in humans these genes are deactivated by the 20th week of foetal development.

The advantages of keeping the same teeth through adulthood is that they can be securely anchored in the jawbone, which allows us to chew tough plants and grains.

www.sciencefocus.com/…/why-cant-we-regrow-teeth

though a drug is being developed that could allow us to regenerate teeth

underwire212 ,

You’re saying we could reactivate the gene and get infinite teeth?? 🫨

themeatbridge ,

I could be wrong, but I don’t think that’s how the drugs in development work. They cause the existing teeth to produce more enamel or something.

Rhaedas ,

The latest work I've seen reactivates the genes to start growing any existing teeth that had stopped. It's for early development problems in children, not for adults. But of course the media seized on the "regrow teeth" part and ran with it. Unless there's a way to implant new teeth seeds and then get them going, adults are still out of luck.

5wim ,

The trial, which will take place at Kyoto University Hospital from September to August 2025, will treat 30 males aged 30-64 who are missing at least one molar.

originalucifer ,
@originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com avatar

you are wrong. all their tests are on subjects missing teeth, not with reduced enamel. this is literally growing replacement teeth.

https://newatlas.com/medical/tooth-regrowing-human-trial/

themeatbridge ,

I stand corrected. Thanks!

I was thinking of this:

…washington.edu/trials-begin-on-lozenge-that-rebu…

But your link is far more exciting.

Rhaedas ,

Hopefully that's what it ends up being, as the idea of growing new teeth has been around in science and media for a long time.

Slotos ,

Teeth cannot produce enamel. Enamel is not a living tissue and it was produced by cells outside of the tooth in a coral-like manner. In order to grow a new tooth, you need it to be fully surrounded by specialized living tissue for the whole growth cycle.

PS: I honestly expected something like this to come out of bioelectric computation research, but progress seems slower there. Or rather knowledge and techniques in other fields is reaching critical mass, giving us these advances.

themeatbridge ,

Maybe “produce” isn’t the right word, but I was thinking of these lozenges that made headlines a few years ago.

bluGill ,

Possible, but it may come with downsides you don't like.

MeekerThanBeaker ,

Teething 3.0.

Mongostein ,

Isn’t this the Street Sharks origin story?

jaybone ,

Are those the snapping guys in West Side Story?

Mongostein ,

Nah, these guys

youtu.be/Yvbwl9c1vB0

sbv ,

Let me guess, the downside is infinite teeth.

bluGill ,

The downside could be something that nobody has imagined yet. That is the problem with change. I'm not against this, but I demand reasonable study. (but not unreasonable levels - vaccines and GMO have been studied enough to conclude they are generally safe despite people yelling more study needed)

jewbacca117 ,

Imagine teeth grew like our nails and had to be clipped regularly

Pat_Riot ,
@Pat_Riot@lemmy.today avatar

Stop

x4740N ,

I hate that, please stop

SnipingNinja ,

Rodents then?

Tanoh ,

Subscription based teeth?

nicknonya ,
@nicknonya@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

worse, you have to pay to stop them from growing

whoisearth ,
@whoisearth@lemmy.ca avatar

Vagina teeth? That’s my fetish.

jaybone ,

Side effects may include dry mouth, diarrhea, attacking swimmers at the beach. Do not take Teethenall if you are allergic to shellfish.

masquenox ,

attacking swimmers at the beach

That I could live with.

TheFriar ,

That sorta makes it sound like a nightmare

TheRealKuni ,

though a drug is being developed that could allow us to regenerate teeth

I think the last time I was this excited about medical science was the COVID vaccine. How I would love to replace my root canal crowns with real teeth!

jeffw , to fediverse in Number of monthly active Lemmy users rising again
@jeffw@lemmy.world avatar

Did Reddit do something stupid to scare people away again?

starman ,
@starman@programming.dev avatar

AFAIK they didn’t. This time we have natural growth

cybersandwich ,

Bots in the build up to the election here in the states?

Tywele ,

EU also has elections on Sunday.

Dasnap ,
@Dasnap@lemmy.world avatar

Don’t forget the upcoming UK election which is likely ousting the current government!

YellowMerigold , (edited )

They actually did, for a few days no 3rd party apps worked at all. But now they do again.

toothpaste_sandwich ,

I thought all third party apps already stopped working?

jawa21 ,
@jawa21@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

They were working around it by using personal API keys iirc.

can ,

Have you heard of ReVanced? Most commonly known for patching youtube to allow more features, mainly adblocking. Well they have patches for a ton of apps now so if you have a reddit account and say you’re a developer you get your own API key they can be injected into some apps. It didn’t work for me for a while but I eventually got it to work for the random search result from reddit.

mesamunefire ,

Self hosting piped helps too. Love my little system.

Remorhaz ,

Not all of them, Dystopia for example was allowed to stay as is because of accessibility features that the native app lacks. It was even working just fine during the recent outage.

Klaymore ,
@Klaymore@sh.itjust.works avatar

I use Geddit occasionally, I don’t know if it supports voting or commenting though since I just browse.

mesamunefire ,

reddit is about the same in my opintion, but I do see a lot more activity on the lemmy side. I think its a combination of:

  1. Less rules around communities. The barrier of entry is much lower here to post, and things dont get auto-removed because of trigger happy mods.
  2. 2% of users post 90% of content. And a lot of them moved over to lemmy.
  3. Servers can be brought into existence and removed at will. This may seem like a bad thing, but what it means is that the best lemmy servers can evolve and be successful in a way reddit cant. Some have different modifications to make them more user friendly, some have excellent uptime, etc…etc…
  4. People from mastodon/misskey/other fediverse instances can comment/post. Even if that is not what a vast majority of us do, it does help the numbers and will continue to help engagement.

Also to @Blaze Do you know if the sats above take into account the generally banned instances of lemmy? I know that a lot of instances earlier this year decided to become de-federated from the general fediverse. Do you happen to know if the website take into account those servers?

Blaze OP ,
@Blaze@reddthat.com avatar

Also to @Blaze Do you know if the sats above take into account the generally banned instances of lemmy? I know that a lot of instances earlier this year decided to become de-federated from the general fediverse. Do you happen to know if the website take into account those servers?

Not sure about this unfortunately

mesamunefire ,

Fair enough.

Moorshou ,

This one had .zip and that’s why I choose it.

can ,

The cracked apps using personal API keys stopped working a few days ago. Already fixed now I think.

grysbok ,
@grysbok@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Yep. That’s why I’m here again. My reddit app may work for now, but the writing is on the wall in bigger, bolder letters.

can ,

Welcome back! Hope you like what we’ve done with the place.

Blaze OP ,
@Blaze@reddthat.com avatar

Welcome back!

Lost_My_Mind ,

They have bots roaming the site, banning people, seemingly at random. I went from never having been banned on reddit on a 10 year account, to banned for 3 days twice, and then permanently banned all in the span of a month.

And when did this happen? The week after the IPO went public.

And what kind of messages got me banned? Well one of them was in /r/Cleveland where a guy posted a security camera picture of the guy who stole his bike. I made the comment that the theif looks like a guy who stole MY bike in the early 90s, and that maybe this was his son. Keeping it in the family business.

I was banned for that comment for “Harassment and abuse of reddit users”. The action was performed by an AI bot. If I wanted an appeal I could appeal. So I did. It SAID the appeal was handled by a real human. They still sided with the bots decision, which tells me that it wasn’t handled by a real person.

So now I’m here. Just don’t steal my bike, ok guys?

ianovic69 ,
@ianovic69@feddit.uk avatar

Guys, I’ll distract him, you get his bike!

Lost_My_Mind ,

Not again!!! …is that a squirrel???

Emperor ,
@Emperor@feddit.uk avatar

Did ianovic68 steal his bike in the 90s?

can ,

I made the comment that the theif looks like a guy who stole MY bike in the early 90s, and that maybe this was his son. Keeping it in the family business.

That’s hilarious. They don’t deserve you.

ConstipatedWatson ,

Hey dude, I’ve been looking for you for so long, since my Dad stole your bike and that was a turning point in my life, since I made a point of stealing your son’s bike.

It is said that this will continue for generations until the seventh son of a seventh son, who’ll transform into an upside down toothless vampire who likes garlic.

In order for this prophecy to come true, please ensure all your progeny keeps buying bikes.

PS Welcome to Lemmy!

ripcord ,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

Just don’t steal my bike, ok guys?

I won’t!

…but what kind of bike and where is it, just so I know what I’m not stealing and where I should avoid stealing it from

Empricorn , to showerthoughts in It must confuse English learners to hear phrases like, "I'm home", instead of "I am at home." We don't say I'm school, or I'm post office.

You’re thinking in terms of location, rather than state-of-being. “I’m home” is your status.

“I’m driving, I am bored, I’m safe, I am away”… None of those sound weird, do they? This, combined with the more technical grammar rules others have commented…

Semi-Hemi-Demigod ,
@Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social avatar

I can be at home, but it's not until I'm in comfy pants, on the couch, with a drink in hand that I'm home

dual_sport_dork , to linuxmemes in Code interviews for a PHP developer roles
@dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

I write a lot of PHP for part of my job.

The beauty of PHP is that for any given task, there are always multiple ways to do it, all of which are wrong.

Veraxus ,

Any sufficiently skilled developer has a bunch of things they hate about the language they use the most, and are happy to tell you about it.

This is a characteristic I unironically keep an eye out for when hiring.

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