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finley , in "The Grindr Super Bowl": Gay dating app saw influx of users during Republican National Convention | Salon.com

ah, so, apparently, fascism is caused by decades of sexual oppression, denial, and self-hatred erupting and being directed outward at others.

this would be far more interesting if it didn’t also mean the downfall of democracy.

CosmicTurtle0 ,

I just listened to a Behind the Bastards episode where basically…yeah, that’s been the prevailing theory.

finley ,

Obviously, I’m both being sarcastic and massively oversimplifying things. This is just one tiny splinter of the cause of fascism, not the entirety of it.

Nicoleism101 ,

It’s all about sex, Freud was right. Even if not the homosexuality then about immigrants taking ‘our women’. It’s all because we have monkey brains

DoctorButts ,

Nazis should literally go fuck themselves

Know_not_Scotty_does ,

Yep, no one else will.

PrincessLeiasCat ,

Can you remember which episode? Sounds interesting but I can’t remember if I’ve heard it yet :)

CosmicTurtle0 ,
PrincessLeiasCat ,

Thanks!

rimu ,
@rimu@piefed.social avatar

That's a part of it for sure but there's a lot more going on also:

how fascism works

peopleproblems ,

Wait hold on

Why would cucks bother them? Isn’t that like a conservative thing?

Am I seriously missing something here?

rimu ,
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peopleproblems ,

Honestly, I’m even more confused now. White supremacists were using it against “RINOs”

The original insult makes sense in that context (man who’s spouse is unfaithful), but in this diagram it was listed with oppression of identity and sexuality. The only way my brain seems to interpret that is by assuming the word is used in its fetish form which makes even less sense to me

rimu ,
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In the diagram you can substitute that word for any non-mainstream sexual or gender thing. It really doesn't matter what - they'll scapegoat anything as long as it's a minority, elicits disgust from the in-crowd and reinforces any of the things it connects to with dashed lines.

Pedophilia is a good one because it relates to 'defending women & children', makes the enemy look weak, causes sexual anxiety and elicits disgust. Hence 'Save the children' and all that.

The diagram maps the conceptual framework behind it all - it's best not to get too literal about any of the individual words.

peopleproblems ,

Ok. That makes a whole lot more sense

lol_idk ,

Let’s talk about the hotwife instead of the cuck

ChaoticNeutralCzech ,
Grandwolf319 ,

That was both unexpected and enjoyable!

HeartyOfGlass ,

Genuinely wonder if there’s some correlation in there. It’d be fascinating if global acceptance of homosexuality would eliminate fascist tendencies. I’d watch that movie.

masterofn001 ,

And coke and meth.

Mostly meth. Have you seen these people?

snekerpimp , in ‘No way out without bloodshed’: the right believe the US is under threat and are mobilizing

The human race is so dumb. We could be building spaceships and exploring the stars and the depths of the oceans. Instead we are being manipulated by propaganda to fight with each other while nefarious forces wrestle for power. This timeline sucks….

SandmanXC ,

I’ve been thinking the same thing every day for the last 10 years or so…

themeatbridge ,

As a child of the 80s… yeah.

pezhore ,
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David Bowie and Prince were holding this all together. When they went, the world lost its mind.

ameancow ,

It sent me into a deep depression when everything revealed all at once how dire things really are. We had a lethal pandemic that killed MILLIONS of people become disputed, a meme and political slogan. We had a third of our people elect a literal stereotype of a con-man and try to overthrow the US Government to keep him in power, we’ve seen the return of nazis and sleazy pickup artists, we have people eating dangerous chemicals for social media attention, people deciding rules are no longer applicable to them, and it seems like anyone who babbles nonsense in a confident tone will gain a rabid cult following, while outside the world is literally starting to burn around us while people deny the very shape of our Earth.

And on top of all this, while people are struggling to find a path to truth and get through this, with any shred of belief in our potential and capability to rise above our worst natures, we now have a machine that can fool anyone into believing anything and it’s only getting more powerful, and it’s in the hands out-of-touch billionaires and mega-corporations and being distributed out to anyone who wants to use it for a small price.

skuzz ,

We are but animals with fancy toys, and also not so fancy toys like cyber trucks, but you get my point.

AngryCommieKender ,

Let’s start with housing? I’m all for exploration, but we don’t need 3 or 4 billionaires wasting resources, and innovation with non-compete contracts, when one central agency would be more efficient, freeing up resources to fix the logistics of feeding everyone, and housing everyone.

Nevoic ,

Sadly defunding of the space program has rarely meant funding proper welfare. It’s not really an either or situation, or at least it hasn’t been yet.

AngryCommieKender ,

I don’t have an issue with space programs. NASA is great and the public gets a ton of useful tech from there. I doubt such discoveries will be provided by SpaceX and the like

shyguyblue , in Lauren Boebert's son was arrested over a spate of thefts as his mom tries to convince voters to look past her chaotic family life

$20 says this piece of shit starts bitching about “respecting her privacy”, while telling others how they should live.

III ,

You forgot to add “again” to your sentence.

gregorum , in Indiana Launches Anti-LGBTQ "Snitch Line," Users Flood With Memes In Protest

anyone got a link? I have… quite the meme library…

https://lemm.ee/pictrs/image/a79b48c7-9e21-461d-aa09-1a138b4159bb.jpeg

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gregorum ,

After our office consistently heard from student, parents, and teachers about objectionable curricula, policies, or programs affecting children, we launched the Eyes on Education portal.

Our kids need to focus on fundamental educational building blocks, not political ideology - either left or right.

Eyes on Education is a platform for students, parents, and educators to submit and view real examples from classrooms across the state.

The Office of the Attorney General will follow up on materials submitted to the portal that may violate Indiana law using our investigative tools, including public records requests, and publish findings on the portal as well.

To view examples or submit to the portal, select the school corporation and name of the school and upload your documents.

Upon submission, someone from our office may contact you for additional information or clarification.

Submissions to the portal will be reviewed and published regularly.

this is the most ridiculous rhetorical doublespeak I’ve seen in a while. kids need to focus on education, not political ideology, so let’s shove some political ideology down their throats? And, of course, the ass-covering BS logical absurdity that anything “objectionable” must, certainly, be unsafe for children.

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  • FlyingSquid ,
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    They want objectionable Shel Silverstein? Because that can be arranged.

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/68819fd0-7d8e-4ed4-bafd-84374389762b.png

    (I don’t want them banning Shel Silverstein or anyone else, I just think it’s funny that they want to ban the only non-dirty stuff he ever did.)

    Devdogg ,

    He (Shel) was published a bunch in Playboy (the above is an example) and he was a great illustrator.

    jaybone ,

    Kurt Vonnegut and a ton of other authors were also published in Playboy.

    TheBat ,
    @TheBat@lemmy.world avatar

    Including Isaac ‘3 laws’ Asimov

    gregorum ,

    by the time I was in school - the age we were reading Silverstein - was the mid-late 80s. he’d a had couple banned by then, but my teachers were in love with him, so I got to read most of his books as a kid. what books of his weren’t assigned were to be found in our school’s library and were often fought over. we had a school that really pushed a curriculum that relied heavily on using both the school and local public library for research, even in elementary school. I remember my parts being annoyed at how often they had to take me to the library for even basic schoolwork.

    I loved it.

    I really lament that, today, with the internet, there isn’t a central public repository of trustworthy information for research. the closest is Wikipedia, and, for what it is, it’s pretty fucking great. It’s a great jumping-off point for anyone to start learning on any subject, and I’m super-glad it’s there.

    bringing it back around, Shel Silverstein was a wry observer of humanity but poked his finger in the eyes of too many powerful critics. He had a way of opening the minds of people - especially children - that made people who would like to manipulate the weak scared that Silverstein’s message would make their efforts more difficult. It’s no wonder the would wish to silence him.

    oatscoop ,

    The theater adaptation of Where the Sidewalk Ends was one of our middle school plays at our decidedly “rural” school.

    One mom had a problem with it, and it was only with the “rebellious” bits. She shut up when every other parent rolled their eyes at her. It’s crazy how attitudes shift.

    prole ,

    Shel was a known cannabis user and a bit of a hippie. That’s probably why.

    Fun fact, he also wrote the Johnny Cash song, “a Boy Named Sue”

    HikingVet ,
    LinkOpensChest_wav ,
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    I sent them a copypasta

    TitleBBBBBBBBBRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPsnnnnniiiiiiffffffffffff…oh yes my dear…sssnnnnnnnnnnnniiiiiiiiffffffff…quite pungent indeed…is that…dare I say…sssssssnniff…eggs I smell?..sniff sniff…hmmm…yes…quite so my darling…sniff…quite pungent eggs yes very much so …ssssssssssssssnnnnnnnnnnnnnnniiiiiiiffffff…ah yes…and also…a hint of…sniff…cheese…quite wet my dear…sniff…but of yes…this will do nicely…sniff…please my dear…another if you please…nice a big now…BBBBBBRRRRRRRAAAAAAAPPPPPPPFFFFFFFFLLLLLLLLLPPPPPPPPPFFFFFF Oh yes…very good!..very sloppy and wet my dear…hmmmmm…is that a drop of nugget I see on the rim?..hmmmm…let me…let me just have a little taste before the sniff my darling…hmmmmm…hmm…yes…that is a delicate bit of chocolate my dear…ah yes…let me guess…curry for dinner?..oh quite right I am…aren’t I?..ok…time for sniff…sssssnnnnnnniiiiiiiiffffffff…hmmm…hhhmmmmm I see…yes…yes indeed as well curry…hmmm…that fragrance is quite noticeable…yes…onion and garlic chutney I take it my dear?..hmmmmm…yes quite…BBBBBBRRRRRRRRPPPPPPFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFTTTTTTTTTTT Oh I was not expecting that…that little gust my dear….you caught me off guard…yes…so gentle it was though…hmmmm…let me taste this little one…just one small sniff……sniff…ah….ssssssnnnnnniiiiiffffffffffff…and yet…so strong…yes…the odor….sniff sniff…hmmm….is that….sniff….hmmm….I can almost taste it my dear……yes….just…sniff….a little whiff more if you please……ssssssnnnnnniiiiiffffffffff…ah yes I have it now….yes quite….hhhhmmmm…delectable my dear……quite exquisite yes……I dare say…sniff….the most pungent one yet my dear….ssssnnnnniiiifffffffffffffffffffffff….yes….

    UNWILLING_PARTICIPANT ,

    Oh my word

    ShaggySnacks ,

    Massive Salad Fingers vibes coming from this. You, Internet Stranger are a god damn legend and hero that we need.

    LinkOpensChest_wav ,
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    I wish I could take credit, but I don’t even know the origins of that copypasta!

    FlyingSquid ,
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    I’m looking at some of the “legitimate” complaints on that page. Someone complained about inappropriate content… in Orwell’s 1984.

    in.gov/…/4_11_Parental-Concerns-Required-Reading-…

    Kalkaline ,
    @Kalkaline@leminal.space avatar

    Flood it with Chat GPT-3 content, super easy to generate, and it would probably create more unique content that would be harder to filter out.

    TheBat ,
    @TheBat@lemmy.world avatar

    Ask it for objectionable stuff in Bible lol

    Gerudo ,

    Man, that form doesn’t verify any contact information. It sure would be easy to flood it with genuine concern in picture format.

    cm0002 ,

    No captcha, no contact info verification not even an old school forum “What’s your favorite color” lmao

    Rai ,

    Does it sanitize user inputs? Or is a 90s style SQL injection possible?

    TheBat ,
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    Bobby Table, do it!

    andros_rex ,

    Use tor before they start filtering it. That’s usually what they block first. Submit from multiple IPs to make it harder to filter. Be realistic - there are websites that’ll help you generate fake names, addresses. You can even use ChatGPT to write time wasting comments. Try to avoid using real people’s names so you don’t get innocents harassed.

    Mr_Blott , in Food Not Bombs trial rescheduled after too many jurors objected to $500 fine for feeding homeless

    What the fuck did I just read?

    Humans arrested and charged for feeding hungry and needy humans

    That’s a level of Freedom ©®™ I just cannot comprehend

    That’s fucking evil

    tigeruppercut ,
    FriedCheese ,
    Kbobabob ,

    Welcome to America!

    Home of the fuck you i got mine

    ExfilBravo ,

    Somehow freedom morphed into Free Dumb.

    Worx ,

    With a lot of right-wing voters, it’s “fuck you and me, someone else got theirs”

    anarchy79 ,
    @anarchy79@lemmy.world avatar

    I thought it was just “fuck you”.

    tocopherol ,
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    One day we will be in the utopia summed up only by “fuck”.

    anarchy79 ,
    @anarchy79@lemmy.world avatar

    Very elegant. Nothing to add, nothing to take away. Perfection.

    stoly ,

    Worse: they think they got theirs but didn’t. The group most likely to experience homelessness? Boomers. The group most entering the workforce? People over 75 years old.

    An entire generation worked so hard to put their vision of the world out there but couldn’t see that they were destroying their own future in the process.

    anarchy79 ,
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    You’re breaking the money chain! Believe it or not, prison.

    stoly ,

    Believe it or not, it used to be illegal in most places to be in public if you were maimed or deformed. We’re talking veterans will be arrested for walking down the street. The reason? Good christian folk suffer when they see it, it has to be kept out of sight.

    This is the 20th century version of that.

    ShaggySnacks ,

    This still goes on with dress codes directed at women. “This women’s skirt is an inch too short, all the boys will turn into sexual predators!”

    stoly ,

    Men should grow beards because other men might become sexually attracted to them if they don’t.

    ShaggySnacks ,

    What if men have beards and other men are attracted to men with beards?

    stoly ,

    SHHH, don’t create a new point of panic amongst the fearful.

    john_fla ,

    Believe it or not, straight to jail.

    GreyEyedGhost ,

    Not just jail in many countries.

    TopRamenBinLaden ,

    The bear community has something to say about that.

    stoly ,

    This is a reference from a couple years back. Don’t recall where but a Muslim scholar made this argument. It’s bad to not have a beard just in case, apparently.

    whiteheat29 ,

    Making me look up the source 😡

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ugly_law

    stoly ,

    Had no idea that it was called that. The San Francisco law was specifically the one I was thinking of.

    Jiggle_Physics , in This Louisiana Town Runs Largely on Traffic Fines. If You Fight Your Ticket, the Mayor Is Your Judge.

    We held a hearing about whether or not the mayor should also be the Judge. The mayor has decided that the mayor runs the court impartially and there is no need for a 3rd party magistrate.

    nutbiggums ,

    So much freedom in communist Louisiana

    kent_eh ,

    This isn’t communism, it’s totalitarianism…

    Very different thing.

    nutbiggums ,

    Nope. Same difference

    Afghaniscran ,

    Totalitarianism - A system of government that is centralized and dictatorial and requires complete subservience to the state

    Centralised government - centralized government (also united government) is one in which both executive and legislative power is concentrated centrally at the higher level

    Communism - a theory or system of social organization in which all property is owned by the community and each person contributes and receives according to their ability and needs

    It’s so easy to research and not look stupid…

    Lev_Astov ,
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    It’s easy to get these confused when every example of national communism has resulted in a totalitarian state.

    Afghaniscran ,

    I will give you that.

    I hate to be that person but I’d also say if I claimed to be a Christian that didn’t believe in God or Jesus it doesn’t mean Christians don’t believe in God or Jesus, it just means I’m not Christian.

    Lev_Astov ,
    @Lev_Astov@lemmy.world avatar

    Amen.

    jomoo99 ,

    No it’s not. It’s quite literally just american capitalism

    Afghaniscran ,

    I hate to break it to you, but capitalism in its purest form is very close to totalitarianism, it’s just that instead of a centralised government calling the shots it’s whoever has the fattest wallet.

    Edited to remove american from before capitalism.

    Bakkoda ,

    I’m not sure if you realize this but using that term when it’s not really applicable looks silly. Using that term when it’s 100% not remotely applicable makes you look like a moron.

    nutbiggums ,

    Says you dupshit

    Agrivar ,

    Damn, did you get banned from Reddit or something? I feel like you might fit in better over there, or maybe Truth Social.

    Burn_The_Right ,

    Define communism. Go ahead. Define it.

    HeyThisIsntTheYMCA ,
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    That’s government by the cows, right? Cow-moo-nism. They swapped some letters to make it more pronuncable.

    zepheriths ,

    ??? Mate you need to read something. I suggest starting with Cocomelon books. Since you clearly don’t understand half the words you have used.

    MycoBro ,

    Lol. What?

    DoucheBagMcSwag ,

    “I’m the mayor after all”

    Gestrid ,

    “I am the Senate!”

    OrteilGenou , in IRS consultant pleads guilty in massive leak of wealthy Americans’ tax returns

    Free him and audit everyone

    gAlienLifeform , (edited )
    @gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world avatar

    I think the paperwork to start that process is here - www.justice.gov/pardon/apply-pardon

    Incidentally, they might try to bullshit their way out of a direct answer by saying some misinformation about how “there is a five-year waiting period before a person can apply for pardon,” but just remind them that’s not how it worked for Michael Flynn and a whole bunch of other people under the last administration. Whether or not this gets done comes down solely to the President’s willingness to order it.

    gibmiser ,

    Find me the petition and I’ll sign it

    Zoboomafoo ,
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    Put me on the jury and I’ll nullify it

    ares35 , in Airbnb bookings dry up in New York as new short-stay rules are introduced
    @ares35@kbin.social avatar

    the early days of airbnb was basically this concept.

    they didn't start out as a marketplace for unregulated hotels that destroy housing markets. that didn't happen until after they started cashing checks venture vulture capitalists.

    Overzeetop ,

    So many people forget this origin. Air mattress in your spare room (in SF), iirc.

    As much as I, personally, prefer a house when away - either with the family or as a couple - this is one of the drivers behind the crunch in housing. People can’t possibly afford to by a place to live when the competition is a wanna-be property “entrepreneur” who is going to get 2-4x market rent by doing short term rentals.

    NateNate60 ,

    Originally my mum moved my brother and I into the same room and rented out the empty room for $40 a night. The cleaning fee was $20 and we still cleared $2,000 in one summer.

    My brother and I each got a 5% cut and we bought ice creams from Safeway every day for a week until we got wicked stomach aches

    mustardman ,

    I believe it since that’s how actual BNBs work.

    NineMileTower , in Body-cam video shows Illinois officer fatally shooting Black woman in face

    Grayson has been arrested and charged with three counts of first-degree murder and is being held without bond until his trial is set to begin

    Holy shit, is this real life? Consequences?!

    Samvega ,

    “Consequences for my actions? But that’s for poor people, like menial jobs and cholera!”

    sunzu ,

    wtf... did my time line just switched? cop did a crime and it was taken seriously?

    orbitz ,

    I noticed another comment that mentioned he had been working for a few departments over the years, so probably he just did too much finally. Mean don’t get me wrong I’m happy an officer is being charged for crimes committed but I’m guessing there’re reasons he has a longer work history and probably shouldn’t have been hired multiple times in the past. Again this was off a comment so maybe the information isn’t accurate but when it’s so easy to believe is a pretty bad situation of police officers in general.

    sunzu ,

    thanks for sharing, to my skeptical ass that makes way more sense, ie bosses knew what they need to do for CYA, no union gonna do shit about it.

    I guess it is still a small win, but a big L, this woman is dead. That is not good enough!

    Lupus ,

    He had been hired by Sangamon county despite two charges of driving under the influence, the Springfield State Journal-Register reported, and had worked for other law enforcement agencies in Illinois for seven years before arriving in Springfield.

    From the linked article

    PriorityMotif ,
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    I’d like to know which departments he worked at before.

    HomerianSymphony ,

    Let’s wait to see if he’s convicted.

    todd_bonzalez ,
    @todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee avatar

    The video is damning as hell.

    If they let him walk, the correct course of action is to barricade the doors to the police station and burn it down with the livestock inside.

    androogee ,
    mozz ,
    @mozz@mbin.grits.dev avatar

    Most police in the modern day receive consequences.

    Up until about 2010 it was almost never, with exceptional exceptions when something obscenely over the top happened. After that it was hit or miss, until 2020 happened and body cams were universal and ever since then it was pretty much decided. Since then it’s been pretty much all consequences all the time except in insanely Deep South departments that haven’t gotten up to speed with the times or something. And even then, usually some larger agency will step in, and consequences.

    The rhetoric on the left hasn’t changed, and still assumes every cop is the enemy at all times and nobody gets any credit for the change in culture in policing to the point that the frontline police are probably the least of the problems in our still pretty overall unjust “justice” system, which kind of pisses me off tbh.

    ShepherdPie ,

    This is pretty out of touch as someone who sees new bodycam videos daily of cops violating people’s civil rights and who has had run ins with crooked cops. In places like Portland and Seattle, the police departments have been under federal consent decrees due to a pattern of violating constitutional rights. This isn’t relegated to the deep south and is actually quite common in the more “liberal” cities of the country (CO police have had numerous issues lately). We’re just a couple years out from George Floyd and things have barely changed.

    mozz ,
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    someone who sees new bodycam videos daily of cops violating people's civil rights

    That doesn’t mean anything though. You can find new body cam videos daily of cops bending over backwards to try to protect people’s rights. Neither of it means anything. It could be happening 1% of the time, or 50%, or 99%, and there would still be daily videos showing one or the other. The US is a big place; there are literally millions of new bodycam videos being produced every single day.

    I actually don’t know what the number is - I have kind of my perception that it’s rare but that’s not based on too much hard data tbh. Do you know anything in terms of how quantitatively common it is?

    Actually maybe a more basic question - can you send me a couple of these videos from this week? You and I may have different definitions of violating people’s civil rights.

    and who has had run ins with crooked cops

    I mean I am biased because in my area the cops are super professional; I’ve seen them in more than one heated dispute with someone and never seen them be anything but cool about it. But like I say I think the real question is how quantitatively common it is.

    In places like Portland and Seattle, the police departments have been under federal consent decrees due to a pattern of violating constitutional rights.

    Can you tell me more / link to a story? I would want to know more about it.

    We're just a couple years out from George Floyd

    4 years

    The big shift that I saw was after 2020 with George Floyd and the other big instances that year and the massive shitstorm that ensued. Honestly, that stuff makes a difference. Without the protest I think things would have stayed more or less in the sometimes-yes-sometimes-no land.

    But like I say that’s all just my anecdotal perception. I actually think it would be good to bring something quantifiable to it.

    proper ,
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    You can find new body cam videos daily of cops bending over backwards to try to protect people’s rights

    please link to one

    shalafi ,

    I’ve seen plenty where I thought I would beat some ass, and the cops are cool. You won’t find much of that because why would anyone post a routine police interaction?

    Far be it for me to defend the pigs, I loathe them.

    mozz ,
    @mozz@mbin.grits.dev avatar

    Sure, here’s one from Audit the Audit. I like that channel because it is more or less unique in taking neither the “pro police” or “anti police” viewpoint and just kind of taking things as they come and judging everyone involved in the interaction according to their behavior. Sometimes the cops are the good guys and sometimes they are the bad guys in it but it’s not like predisposed to one outcome or the other being always the answer, which it seems like is how almost every other person in the debate looks at it.

    Facebones ,

    The problem with cops is similar to the problem we have with corporations/rich folk. Where corpos get to privatize gains and socialize losses, the policing establishment wants to systemically apply good PR/sentiment to the concept of cops while individually applying bad PR/sentiment to individuals(bad apples.)

    ShepherdPie ,

    It doesn’t really matter if some cops bend over backwards to help people when they turn around and circle the wagons every time one of them harms an innocent person, violates someone’s rights, beats their spouses, murders someone, robs someone via asset forfeiture, or commits a slough of other crimes.

    The issue is the lack of accountability from their departments and the laws that make them immune from being held liable for their actions. The expression goes “a few bad apples spoil the bunch” and those apples have been rotting for decades. Imagine going into your job, shooting someone in the face because something like an acorn falling startled you, and all your boss does is send you on a two week paid vacation. How fucking insane is that?

    Here’s some channels to check out:
    www.youtube.com/

    www.youtube.com/

    www.youtube.com/channel/UCbEPXqDvej-3mciZxwYmdew

    www.youtube.com/c/wethepeopleuniversity

    Portland and Seattle consent decrees: opb.org/…/us-justice-department-portland-police-u…

    seattlepolicemonitor.org/overview

    I don’t think much has changed in the last 4 years. It seems people just dug their heels in about things. I will say there has been progress but it’s very slow.and incremental and only the most egregious cases like this are prosecuted when previously they would have been swept under the rug.

    mozz ,
    @mozz@mbin.grits.dev avatar

    It doesn't really matter if some cops bend over backwards to help people when they turn around and circle the wagons every time one of them harms an innocent person, violates someone's rights, beats their spouses, murders someone, robs someone via asset forfeiture, or commits a slough of other crimes.

    Dude

    About 90% of stories I see in the modern day, with the OP article as a good example, involve the cops involved being brought up on charges

    This is exactly what I'm saying: The culture has reformed significantly, and instead of saying "oh cool let's move on to the next thing which is an actual problem, of which there is no shortage", the reaction every time some cop does something wrong and is brought up on charges is "CONSEQUENCES wtf everyone knows cops are bullshit I bet they get off with" etc etc

    Portland and Seattle consent decrees:

    https://www.opb.org/article/2022/07/27/us-justice-department-portland-police-use-of-force-settlement/

    https://seattlepolicemonitor.org/overview

    Sounds like Portland PD is a bunch of shit. I may revise my assessment of the bullshit PDs across the country to include them (along with NYPD and LAPD yes) instead of just talking about the Deep South.

    The Seattle one is a lot harder to make sense of; the links are broken. For example I was real into reading the article "Don't defund Seattle police without building the right bridges" but I cannot. I actually think I probably will agree with its assessment and that what it's saying is probably a perfect example of what I am talking about.

    I've heard from people who are involved in some of these "replace the police with mental health professionals" programs, and they say it's working well. The people get better help, the mental health professionals get to intervene before it's a big violent crisis, and the cops aren't thrust into situations they're not trained for. The cops go along with the call when violence or weapons are involved, but the mental health people lead, and literally everyone wins.

    That makes sense to me. It's progress. What doesn't make sense is DEFUND THE POLICE FUCK THE PIGS WE DON'T NEED YOU SHOOTING THIS GUY OH MY GAWD NOW HE STABBED ME HELP HELP HELP. And also starving the department of resources and making it a real shit-on-the-person unpopular job, so now they have trouble hiring people and have to kind of take what they can get in terms of hiring some not-ideal people.

    Like you don't need to make somebody into an enemy if they're not. Police are there for a reason. You can't hire them to fulfill a needed societal function and then just shit on them all the time regardless of what they do because of some stereotype based on a big news story about the worst thing that any single policeman anywhere in the country did, back in 2020.

    I know in your world every single cop is some dog-shooting civil forfeiture person, but that is not reality. I don't know how to explain it (especially if in your part of the country the PD actually is shitty, which it sounds like maybe is the case in the Northwest), but that's how I see it.

    ShepherdPie ,

    About 90% of stories I see in the modern day, with the OP article as a good example, involve the cops involved being brought up on charges

    These are the egregious cases I talked about right here:

    I will say there has been progress but it’s very slow.and incremental and only the most egregious cases like this are prosecuted

    But police abuse happens all the time. It’s just not salacious enough for the national media to pick up the story for you to see.

    The Seattle one is a lot harder to make sense of; the links are broken.

    You can easily Google “Seattle police consent decree” if you’re interested in learning more. You brought up LAPD which us another perfect example as it has been reported that they have actual bonafide gangs operating within the department.

    TheReturnOfPEB ,

    1,166 people have been shot and killed by police in the past 12 months

    Yes it must be the Left’s fault for your feelings.

    mozz ,
    @mozz@mbin.grits.dev avatar

    You have literally no idea how many of those were justified shootings versus not.

    It could be 1,166 execution style slayings of an unarmed black person, or it could be 1,166 people charging at the cops with a machete where they tried everything in their power not to shoot the person.

    You've seen bodycam footage of a cop shooting some woman in the face (and now has been charged for it). Great. I've seen bodycam footage of a woman pulling out a gun on a traffic stop and the cop reacting and shooting her, and then absolutely losing his shit with worry and relief because he was scared that he might have hit the people in the car behind her after having only a split second to react, after she left him with no choice but to shoot her when all he wanted to do was check what was up with her and why she was sitting unmoving in traffic.

    The quantitative assessment matters. You can't just say that of course 1,166 of those were unjustified shootings, and so all cops are bad, and leave it there, just because that matches up with your self-referential structure for making sense of the world.

    octopus_ink , (edited )

    The rhetoric on the left hasn’t changed, and still assumes every cop is the enemy at all times and nobody gets any credit for the change in culture in policing to the point that the frontline police are probably the least of the problems in our still pretty overall unjust “justice” system, which kind of pisses me off tbh.

    So after more than a century of abuse and coverups that will never see the light of day, decades of (predominantly) black entertainers and comedians ringing the bell on this over and over, and nothing being done, Rodney King not being enough of a wake up call to effect any meaningful change, and despite the fact that the problem is still not fully solved and that to this day people claim Chauvin should not have been convicted, you are upset that a few headlines about cops being prosecuted hasn’t completely turned the bus around on attitudes towards police yet in the four years since 2020?

    How about when there isn’t a new story like this once every couple weeks for a few years? Maybe we can check then to see if it’s time for an attitude adjustment on “the left.” Because consequences are great, but if cops are still behaving like this it means that even they figure they will probably still get away with it.

    Edited to add:

    And when they stop having such non-existent standards for kicking someone out (or hiring them in the first place) maybe we’ll see some actual change. This is about the “good apples” refusing to toss out the bad ones. (and we all know what that does to the “good” ones)

    He had been hired by Sangamon county despite two charges of driving under the influence, the Springfield State Journal-Register reported, and had worked for other law enforcement agencies in Illinois for seven years before arriving in Springfield.

    Wonder why he left those other agencies? And I’m not even focusing on the 2x DUI.

    mozz ,
    @mozz@mbin.grits.dev avatar

    you are upset that a few headlines about cops being prosecuted hasn't completely turned the bus around on attitudes towards police yet in the four years since 2020?

    To solve the problems in this country, you need to be able to see what's going on clearly.

    Back before about 2015, there was clearly a systemic problem of police violence against minorities in this country, and it wasn't taken seriously or identified as a problem by the media. There was a lot of white society that was waking up to it as a real thing that existed, but a lot that were not, and government and media were slow to even realize it existed. I think at the point, regardless of what the scope of the problem quantitatively was, most of what you were saying was accurate just because it was so important to get people to even recognize the problem.

    Now, I think it's swung the other way. I think the stereotype that every single cop is the enemy is creating a lot more problems than it solves.

    • Underfunding departments leaving real crime unaddressed or leaving them to use substandard police because that's all they have in terms of manpower
    • People being pointlessly hostile to cops during normal interactions, to the point that the citizen is the one escalating everything and sometimes creating a serious issue for themselves when the cop is literally just trying to politely do their job
    • Attention being taken away from other aspects of the justice system that still badly need reform (imbalance of power between prosecutors and public defenders being a big one)
    • Making departments that are trying to take big steps to address the problem have a pretty justified reason to say "you know what fuck it, our funding got cut anyway and everyone I interact with all day just yells at me, so you know what, I'm gonna go back to slamming people on the ground when I arrest them because what's the difference"
    octopus_ink ,

    I have zero indication that meaningful change has occurred aside from your assurance that it has and a handful of anecdotal headlines about cops being prosecuted.

    mozz ,
    @mozz@mbin.grits.dev avatar

    Yeah, and that was why I was asking -- do you have any idea quantitatively? I have to say, I do not; probably my impression is based on a sort of anecdotal impression same as yours is. It would be good to look at something like, how many use-of-force complaints have there been, how many was bodycam footage made available for and what did things look like when reviewing the footage? Things like that.

    Just basing things on a general anecdotal impression isn't a good thing to do on either side, I don't think.

    octopus_ink ,

    Just basing things on a general anecdotal impression isn’t a good thing to do on either side, I don’t think.

    Fair, but I remain unconvinced there has been meaningful change even as I acknowledge your point. We KNOW what the starting point was. If I’m to be convinced it has changed, I think the burden is on those (not necessarily/specifically you) who are telling me it has.

    mozz ,
    @mozz@mbin.grits.dev avatar

    This and this are probably the best overviews I could find about what has and hasn't changed. It's a little frustrating though -- it's hard to find something substantial about "okay yes but what has the result been."

    And, the things I could find about the result sometimes used very weird metrics (like lumping together all police shootings without making any effort to distinguish justified shootings from unjustified or attempting to determine what percentage were unjustified in order to point to whether that number is going down or not).

    octopus_ink ,

    (like lumping together all police shootings without making any effort to distinguish justified shootings from unjustified or attempting to determine what percentage were unjustified in order to point to whether that number is going down or not).

    I’m going to really frustrate you anyway because although I acknowledge that some shootings are justified, I also don’t trust how they are categorized since (to my knowledge) this categorization is determined by the content of the police reports themselves, and so would require me to believe that every false report was caught out and none slipped through.

    mozz ,
    @mozz@mbin.grits.dev avatar

    Hm, that wasn't what I was talking about wanting to see. To me, what would be good to see would be a breakdown of, starting from the total number of shootings or use-of-force incidents in any given year:

    • How many the agency didn't release bodycam footage for
    • How many we got the bodycam footage and it looked justified
    • ... it looked debatable
    • ... it looked unjustified

    That's a fuck of a lot of work, which is presumably why we don't see it. But that to me would be a good way to analyze whether things are actually working.

    octopus_ink ,

    But that to me would be a good way to analyze whether things are actually working.

    I agree, and to put my cynical hat on again, I think would be the job for the oversight teams that (to my knowledge) cops throw a tantrum about whenever they come up, and which I don’t think are widely implemented, or not effectively implemented in many cases.

    octopus_ink ,

    Those do look like good articles though, thanks!

    echodot ,

    Yeah well he filmed it didn’t he the idiot. You have to let the authorities have plausible deniability everyone knows that.

    TheRealKuni ,

    He actually didn’t turn on his body cam until after he shot her, IIRC.

    Krauerking ,

    The video is from his partner/other cop on the scene. He didn’t even have his body cam on until after.

    This is a person who wanted to shoot people and got his chance.

    A_Random_Idiot ,

    its not consequences until hes convicted.

    until then its just vacation

    setsneedtofeed , (edited ) in Airport security missed live ammo in tourists’ hand luggage. The TSA doesn’t know how
    @setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world avatar

    TSA has an 80% failure rate during inspections.

    Everyone knows the TSA is useless. I know people who have accidentally carried fixed blade knives through security without getting stopped.

    AbidanYre ,

    But you can be damn sure they’ll catch that 5oz bottle of shampoo you’ve got.

    BTW: your link is broken because you have a 9 at the beginning

    setsneedtofeed ,
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    fixed

    Empricorn ,

    Yet they never, ever fail to miss the banana I have in my carry-on for manual review. They very literally only look for the lowest-hanging fruit in scans. And that’s not a joke, they focus on the easiest to do and accept or reject.

    setsneedtofeed ,
    @setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world avatar

    They keep intensely checking my stuffed triceratops. Triclor is a good boy and they need to stop picking on him.

    AliasVortex ,

    Aww! It’s not a pet per se, so I can’t invoke the pet tax, but might I request a picture of your stuffed friend?

    setsneedtofeed ,
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    Late2TheParty ,
    @Late2TheParty@lemmy.world avatar

    Bonus cat!

    AliasVortex ,

    Aww, he is a good boy!

    Thank you so much for sharing!

    Empricorn ,
    9point6 ,

    Perhaps attach the banana more securely so it’s not hanging

    fuckwit_mcbumcrumble ,

    I’ve accidentally brought my pocket knife through the TSA multiple times. But coffee? That that’s clearly a bomb let’s scan it.

    foggy ,

    I brought a used weed pipe, a used grinder, and a baggie of psilocybin powder through TSA by mistake.

    Good times.

    sp3tr4l ,

    Yeah, wtf do they mean ‘they don’t know how?’.

    The TSA is probably the only employer in America worse than Boeing when it comes to employees giving a shit about doing their jobs and actually doing them well.

    Both organizations promote incompetent ass kissers over those who actually give a shit, and both orgs also have a massive culture of making up excuses for why something that was supposed to happen did not.

    Oh right, both also have absurd amounts of paperwork that ‘ensures’ policy was followed, but seeing as everyone hates you if you actually try to keep up with it, most people just focus on a few main things and sign off on anything.

    9point6 ,

    I mean “they don’t know how” doesn’t have to mean this is an exceptional case

    They could just be ubiquitously incompetent and they don’t know how a lot of stuff happens

    sp3tr4l ,

    I mean it in the sense of:

    Every job I’ve ever worked, if someone asks ‘how did this happen?’, that is a question that has an actual answer within usually 30 seconds, maximum 30 minutes.

    I basically agree with you, I’m phrasing it as if I were some kind of competent person asking where a whole bunch of taxpayer money is going.

    GreyEyedGhost ,

    There are times when it takes longer, such as when Fukushima had a meltdown. The thirty-second answer only starts to explain how it happened, the thirty-minute one makes you start to realize that a good part of it is because people fucked up, and the full answer, which requires going over reports since the construction of the plant shows you just how comprehensive the fuck-ups were and why it was only a matter of time for something that catastrophic to happen.

    But yes, usually these things can be figured out pretty quickly. It doesn’t take nuclear science to figure out why they can’t do their job.

    sp3tr4l ,

    I totally agree with you that systemic failures require a systemic evaluation to figure out what actually happened. Most of the jobs I’ve worked have been as an analyst of one kind or another, so I of course know that many things do not have quick answers.

    So yes technically I should have added some kind of qualifier, but you seem to get that I mean that common, routine job functions or system functions pretty much always should have fairly simple explanations as to why something routine happens or does not.

    So, it takes me a while to do a root cause analysis of a quarter or years worth of one kind of failure in a complex process or another, but I very rarely have to manually investigate some specific totally unknown thing in person, as the system is (or should) be designed in such a way that tbis stuff is tracked and easily analyzed.

    Contrast that with: Why isn’t the report released yet?

    Oh, because a data set I need access to is offline right now, or some dumbass changed the access creds without informing me prior, I emailed them a week ago, and they have not responded.

    That is a simple answer.

    todd_bonzalez ,
    @todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee avatar

    I brought a 3-inch credit card blade (acquired at a trade show, with some tech company logo on it) through the airport four consecutive times without even realizing it.

    I found it while packing for another trip, and I decided to gut my overly-thick wallet and realized that I’d been carrying it around everywhere, including through courtrooms and other government buildings that X-ray everything I bring every time I pass through as a contractor.

    So yeah, a knife inside my wallet went through about 50 X-ray machines at federal facilities completely undetected, and I unknowingly carried it through all sorts of places where it is extremely illegal to have a knife. They always scolded me though if I tried to bring anything made of glass, like a coke bottle or something, because it could be used as a weapon.

    Pictured: https://lemm.ee/pictrs/image/12eda8fe-8192-4684-802b-7a97cc963e61.jpeg

    nilloc ,

    I flew across country and back twice with a pack of super sharp Olfa snap off replacement blades that if forgotten were tucked into the bottom of my laptop bag.

    Khrux ,

    I once lived and worked in a small store in rural Australia. When I left the job, I threw my box cutter in my backpack at the end of my shift without thinking.

    They flew me back to the nearest city when I left, then from there I flew to Bali and back, then eventually I flew home. Every time I flew. I used that backpack as my carry on luggage. It was found when I landed after that final flight. I’d totally forgotten it was in there, and it had been scanned for all of those flights.

    stevedidwhat_infosec , in TRUMP GUILTY ON ALL 34 COUNTS

    LOCK HIM UP

    ImADifferentBird , in Kristi Noem Cries ‘Fake News’ After Disastrous Interview on CBS
    @ImADifferentBird@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    “In the fake news media, there are two sets of rules, and conservative[s] are always treated differently,” she continued.

    Well, she’s right about that much, but not in the way she thinks.

    Honestly, the fact that sociopathic whack jobs like Noem are even given the time of day by the media shows how beholden they are to conservative interests.

    ChicoSuave ,

    I read that quote in the Law and Order narrator voice.

    skeptomatic ,

    CLONK CLONK

    jaybone ,

    Snowflake Victim Unit

    penquin , in Exclusive: Bernie Sanders worries young people are underestimating the threat from Trump

    I fucking hate, and from the bottom of my heart, how Biden is funding the genocide in Palestine, but I’m still going to vote for him this time, because we just can’t have a person like Trump in the white house, period. I still can’t figure out how he got in the first time. I’d never let my 10 year old lead a country, yet we let Trump do it for four fucking years. I, too, am sick of this “the lesser of two evils” bullshit, but this time I’m giving it a pass because of Trump. We already have a crumbling country and can’t afford another four years of this dude.

    xhieron ,
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    I think Joe Biden is maybe the best president of my lifetime, and I’m going to vote for him with my head held high even though I live in a red state where it doesn’t matter at all. I wish things were simpler in the Levant, but I appreciate that Joe Biden is between a rock and a hard place with Israel. It’s not like he can just take Bibi out. He’s not Boeing. That said, even if I laid the entire genocide at Biden’s feet (which, while he’s not blameless, is absolutely not appropriate), he would still be head and shoulders an improvement over Donald Trump.

    For that matter, I’d absolutely let my 12 year old run this country before I’d let Trump have a second term. My kid is brilliant, and more importantly, unlike Trump he listens to advice, can take no for an answer, and gives a shit about having a functional democracy four years from now.

    A second Trump term is an existential threat to the nation. Hold your nose, hold your neighbor’s nose if you have to, but every able-bodied patriot owes it to their descendants and their patriotic ancestors to prevent a second Trump term.

    AlligatorBlizzard ,

    It’s not like he can just take Bibi out. He’s not Boeing.

    Well, he is the President of the United States. We may have to pretend Bibi is a socialist though.

    Cannacheques ,

    Old america vs Israeli desert trooper guy? That’s going to be an interesting one

    SwingingTheLamp ,

    Put a Columbia University T-shirt on him!

    go_go_gadget ,

    Biden went around congress to ship weapons to Israel. Painting him as helpless here is pure misinformation.

    RememberTheApollo_ , (edited )

    I don’t understand why people point out that Biden is “funding the genocide in Palestine” and completely ignore and fail to mention that trump would do the exact same thing.

    He has all but said he would cut Israel loose to do whatever they needed to finish the job.

    The use of Israeli aggression is not a point of comparison when viewing the differences between trump and Biden.

    Edit: and I apologize for the late edit - FWIW Biden has become critical of Israeli actions and offered some aid to Palestinians (Yeah, I absolutely agree it isn’t enough) while trump would prefer to wash his hands of the whole Palestine thing. That is a notable difference.

    penquin ,

    No one denies that trump will fund it. That’s not the point, but I get what you mean.

    RememberTheApollo_ ,

    It isn’t the potential for denial that initiated my reply, it’s the fact that people declare US support of Israel is a strike against Biden when comparing Biden to trump as a reason to consider not voting for Biden. This is a false comparison and it is the point I am making.

    AbidanYre ,

    I’ve argued with multiple people on here who said Trump would be better for Palestinians than Biden is.

    penquin ,

    Lmfao. Nah, that’s too much credit. Way too much.

    TrickDacy ,

    No one denies that trump will fund it

    And? The problem is that these people won’t really address the fact that Trump would be worse than Biden

    go_go_gadget ,

    I don’t understand why people point out that Biden is “funding the genocide in Palestine” and completely ignore and fail to mention that trump would do the exact same thing.

    And hence why I won’t vote for Trump either. It’s not that hard to understand.

    natural_motions ,

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    simply cannot actively support a genocidal party because it runs fundementally against their core values.

    So by not voting they default to the fascist one. Good for them, at least they (didn’t) vote for the least worst option.

    natural_motions ,

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    Ok. GFY for making the “if you vote for Biden you vote for genocide” argument while completely ignoring trump would do the same. You’re just a damn shill for the right wing. Useless MF.

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  • RememberTheApollo_ , (edited )

    Unreal. Willing to try to convince others to not vote so we get fascism on top of genocide. What a transparent tool.

    Seriously. Don’t vote for Biden so this other fascist wins and Palestine sill gets screwed!

    Transparent AF.

    natural_motions ,

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  • RememberTheApollo_ , (edited )

    lol, keep making stuff up about me, tankie. Keep throwing innuendos at me couched as reason so everyone can read your anti-Biden propaganda instead of what’s actually being discussed. Repeat it every single reply like a good little fascist.

    E: quick trip through your post history says this is all you do, trash talk democrats and Biden, repeat genocide over and over while never a single mention of trump policy. Well, a quick stop in a porn community to jerk off for a break, right? How’s the propaganda job pay? Any good? Or do you just do it voluntarily out of pure hatred?

    Honytawk ,

    If voting for Biden is voting for genocide, then not voting or voting third party is voting for Trump, genocide and the destruction of democracy in the US.

    SwingingTheLamp , (edited )

    The destruction of democracy in the United States has much deeper roots, and has been in-process for a long time. How long the effects have been visible is arguable, and the manifestation unpredictable, but fundamentally, a voting system which doesn’t allow people to express their actual preferences, well, isn’t representative of people’s actual preferences.

    I can’t think of any more-profound way to state that truth at this early hour. A “democracy” which doesn’t reflect the will of the people is a democracy in name only, and we can only keep the “lesser-evil” streak going for so long before we’re so far into evil that we “have to” vote for a candidate materially supporting genocide so we don’t get the candidate who supports genocide without having non-actionable “concerns” about it.

    Ferrous ,

    “I still can’t figure out how he got in the first time”

    Easy. He was propped up by democrats, namely Hillary Clinton.

    If we reach a point 40 years from now when your choice is between a dem supporting 5 genocides and a republican supporting 10 genocides, are you still going to be militantly democrat and lash out at leftists who are sick of the whole thing?

    penquin ,

    Nope. I’ve stated this in multiple posts on other platforms, this is my last time going with this “lesser of two evils” bullshit. Because at some point, we HAVE to believe that it is intentional. I mean, what happened to “fool me once…”?

    HubertManne ,

    woohoo. 10 genocides but such a moral victory.

    jkrtn ,

    In this hypothetical we wouldn’t have the option to vote 40 years from now because dim bulbs allowed an insurrectionist to be elected. Donald will also accelerate climate fuckery so anyway we’ll be too busy squabbling over what meager food comes out of the remaining arable regions.

    go_go_gadget ,

    Purely hypothetical question for you: Would you rather continue supporting Israel or see Biden win the 2024 election?

    jkrtn ,

    Enjoy the extra genocide Donald “Muslim ban” Trump brings to the conflict and starts up locally. You guys really want him to “finish the job,” huh?

    That’s pretty repugnant IMO, but people like you are privileged enough to watch from afar as others lose their rights and their lives.

    go_go_gadget ,

    By not answering the question and participating in the process of this hypothetical choice the outcome is Israel is supported and Joe Biden loses the 2024 election.

    Honytawk ,

    You think you will still be able to vote in 40 years if Donald “dictator for a day” Trump gets elected this time?

    Oh my sweet summer child. Your vote will be as meaningful as the ones in Russia.

    Ferrous ,

    So if a Trump presidency means the end of democracy in America, why hasn’t Trump been outlawed?

    Why is Biden focusing on banning TikTok instead of truth social? Why weren’t the courts getting stacked 2 years ago? Why are the democrats’ obsession with “precedent” and “civility” taking more primacy than outlawing a candidate who, by their own admission, would mean the end of democracy?

    By propping up Trump, the democrats have effortlessly oriented you such that you now give blind support to a genocidal regime. You’ve given the democrats a blank check. The democrats would rather lose to Trump and usher in fascism than shift left in the slightest way (halting genocide).

    Also, epic reddit catchphrase my good sir. I tip my hat you, for you are a gentleman and a scholar.

    SpaceNoodle ,

    Your ten-year-old is more mature than Trump.

    Not a joke.

    penquin ,

    Knowing my son? He absolutely is way more mature than Trump.

    Pan_Ziemniak ,

    Ten year old?! Thats a high bar for most republicans these days. They want knee jerk and whining. Thats something most 10 year olds are already figuring out doesnt get them what they want.

    SpaceNoodle ,

    That’s basically my point. That, and how Trump brags that he hasn’t matured past the age of six.

    Steve ,

    I’m 100% sure trump would have taken charge over there because it was taking too long.

    Genocide? Hold my beer.

    Nom ,

    I still can’t figure out how he got in the first time.

    Electoral College, should not exist.

    Cornelius_Wangenheim ,

    Biden is not funding Israel. The United States government is. Even if he wanted to stop the aid (he doesn’t), he doesn’t have the power to just ignore laws passed by Congress. Trump did that with Ukraine and got impeached for it.

    OneOfTheMicahs ,

    I mean, he fundamentally does have the power to veto laws. There are potentially negative political consequences in doing so, but he certainly has that power.

    Cornelius_Wangenheim ,

    Vetoing a bill with well over 2/3 support is pointless because it will just be overridden.

    Cannacheques ,

    Certain important people need to keep selling spyware, drugs, guns and war to keep themselves and their associates employed. As for whether the funds or the actual work (conflict) available is sustainable is for everyone including the accountants to consider.

    The other problem is that war doesn’t really die, we just displace where we choose to fight, and how, if we imagine physical and cyber world peace for a moment, for the USA or China to reduce its military capacity by one third, or one tenth, we would see absolute chaos, thousands unemployed, the losses in maintenance and equipment, military supplies, medical, etc, nobody would win.

    Any complex society where financial and other systems operate needs a minimum degree of social enforcement to maintain. Whether that can change like a function or is something that depends on a country’s GDP is another issue.

    Just consider that humanity would either need lots of free time, energy and money or it would literally need to feel incredibly threatened by something on earth, which we all could not fight to control in order to actually fund going to space or even the moon, and I doubt a triple whammy of pandemic, food shortage or severe draught and floods could do it, it happened in the Bible and people literally just found more dumb reasons to do more dumb things, and no lowering mens testosterone or telling guys to shave more often wouldn’t do shit either. If people don’t find reasons to explore or learn, they find reasons to fight/play fight, it’s pretty normal, and if anyone remembers their childhood, usually it’s pretty much the same across generations.

    SwingingTheLamp ,

    I still can’t figure out how he got in the first time.

    I’d point out that the first step in changing somebody’s mind on a topic is always to figure out why they believe and behave as they do.

    dan1101 , in Ocasio-Cortez demands GOP specify actual crimes in Biden impeachment inquiry

    Yes, Democrats allow way too much Republican nonsense to happen without challenging it. Maybe they assume citizens will realize how asinine it is but that isn’t working.

    FenrirIII ,
    @FenrirIII@lemmy.world avatar

    Every lie Republicans tell is repeated forever by Fox News and other right-wing outlets. Challenging them doesn’t undo the damage, but it does stifle them from making more talking points.

    UnpluggedFridge ,

    Calling them out also will not work. Modern republicanism hinges on Democrats being the enemy. It is a belief that lacks any specific evidence, but the idea has been repeated so many times through accusations with no evidence, predictions that never come to fruition, and outright lies that never get corrected that from the perspective of a Republican, even if some single allegation is proven false, they are hearing so many bad things about their countrymen that some of it has to be true.

    The Russians perfected this type of propaganda and it is based on a couple quirks in how our brains work. First, even a wacky lie pushes your beliefs in the direction of the lie. Second, if a lie is repeated it is more likely to be believed. Wrap this up in a major media ecosystem that says over and over “You can’t trust other sources of information. Here are 10 reasons Democrats are pedophiles” and you have armed people storming into pizza shops searching for children locked in a basement that doesn’t exist.

    The final quirk of our brains that sort of seals the deal is that direct contradictory evidence to a belief does not weaken the belief, it makes it stronger. The believer rationalizes a defense of the belief in light of the contradictory evidence. Changing someone’s beliefs requires an effort akin to cult deprogramming.

    Zirconium ,

    They should still fight against it. They just roll over whenever Republicans lie about vaccines, borders, transgender people, Ukraine, Israel. When there’s not even a dissenting “opinion” from our president it’s really easy to tell why only Republican trash is heard

    null ,

    But what does “fighting it” look like?

    UnpluggedFridge ,

    The dissenting opinion is unlikely to be heard. Here is another brain quirk for you: we hate seeing information that contradicts our beliefs. The attention-optimized algorithms of social media have made it possible to spend a whole day consuming information without seeing anything we disagree with. Traditional journalism is no longer the source of shared truth for our society, we have surrendered that to the algorithms with the net effect of fracturing society into groups with very different ideas of what the truth is.

    IMO the recent rise of far-right political power can be directly attributed to the “post-truth” bubbles we have found ourselves in. I know I have overused the brain quirk gimmick, but these bubbles are creating a huge amount of fear and uncertainty. This over-stimulation of our amygdala reduces empathy and causes us to further constrict our in-groups. This makes it easier for power hungry politicians to push out-groups into “enemy” territory and leverage the fear of the enemy into raw political power.

    I do acknowledge the irony, as I type this message, that I will be heard only by people that share my values. My hope is that you the reader see that empathy is the cure, and choose not to close off your in-group despite the feeds and the mod bans and the powerful men profiting from this mess.

    Zirconium ,

    I basically only have empathy left. I’m just trying to think of a way to help people I know that isn’t “stop watching propaganda.” Like I can’t think of something to convince my mother in law that the earth is more than 6000 years old because she thinks the English translation of the Bible is the greatest evidence of anything so y’know. It’s those lies that people so easily believe that if just explain where the lie came from it’s easy. But the bible is kinda a paradox in that, and I’m not risking that conversation because I don’t have money for my own place yet

    fuckingkangaroos ,

    The Russians perfected this kind of propaganda

    Yes, and then taught it to the GOP. The current GOP also uses other Kremlin tactics, an interesting example is “firehose of falsehoods”.

    Catma ,

    I dont think it matters what Dems do in response to Republican antics like this. All any Republican is looking for is a quick 10 sec clip they can play on loop that makes them look good or Dems look bad. Media has become so fragmented that people disagree on basic facts. It wouldnt matter what a Dem said or did, it will never pierce the right wing media bubble.

    thesporkeffect ,

    What they can do is cut off all oxygen. No one action is going to fix it, but they need to be deplatformed starting at the top and working downward, cut off funding anywhere possible: fix citizens united, don’t debate them without having control of the microphone, etc

    Spaghetti_Hitchens ,

    Not all Democrats, but most seem to simply be Republican Lite these days. They might be a little more socially progressive, but most don't seem to mind the Republican shenanigans

    stewie3128 ,

    Republicans have to be continually humiliated in front of the nation. That is the only thing that will work, and that is all that they will listen to (other than outright brutality). Utter and complete humiliation every day.

    Dems as a party won’t do it because they a) fear losing imaginary “centrist” voters, and b) don’t actually want to be in power anyway, since they can fundraise more when they are in the opposition.

    silverbax , in Third-tallest tower in Los Angeles sells for 45% less than last purchase price as remote work, interest rates drive down office values

    Any company that thinks remote work isn’t the future is going to suffer dramatically over the next decade unless they adapt.

    shalafi ,

    My company has an interesting strategy. We’re mainly hiring people local to our office (closed the others), but no one is required to go in. Hell, I’ve been told a few times, “You ordered $thing and no one was there to receive it. Can you check from now on?”

    This way, if we want to pull a team together for a minute, we can. Most folks know each other, if even from a brief visit, and that works out better. Lemmy bags on in-person relationships, psychology be damned. 🤷🏻‍♂️

    But if we ever mandated a return to the office? LOL no. Our top talent would walk and we’d be left with the dregs who can’t find a better job.

    beefsquatch ,
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    Co-located but remote does sound like a good combination

    Spacehooks ,

    Kind of how I thought wework would be a good model with remote work.

    Prox ,

    Our top talent would walk and we’d be left with the dregs who can’t find a better job.

    Yuuuuuuup. This is exactly what’s happening at my job right now, after they mandated at least three in-office days per week. Only the top people are leaving, too; the chaff and the bums love it, because they no longer have to produce, rather they just have to be seen.

    BeefPiano ,

    That’s sounds like a great model. I’ve been working remotely for about a decade. One of the reasons is because I can tap into a larger job market than if I stuck to just local companies.

    While I would love to have a job where I could meet up in person with coworkers for the day, there are just so many more opportunities with remote companies.

    You really found a great sweet spot between remote and in-person!

    TechyDad ,
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    My job was in person until the pandemic hit. I was sure I’d hate remote working, but it turns out that I love it and I’m way more productive than I was in the office. (No coworkers stopping by to chat for one thing.) My job has now moved to the parent company which is about 10 hours away from me so I now permanently work from home. No expectation that I ever come into the office. (There’s no way I’d do that commute!)

    A few times, I was unsure of my job’s future stability and looked around. Being a web developer shifting technologies while at 48 can feel really unstable. You’re too old for many people. You don’t have deep experience with specific technologies. It’s frightening to think that I could age out of my job two decades before retirement.

    My local job market isn’t great, but work from home means that I can look nationwide (or further if I want) if need be. It gives me a lot more options and doesn’t mean I have to uproot my family and travel halfway around the country just to have a job. (Something that I couldn’t do for various reasons.)

    TechyDad ,
    @TechyDad@lemmy.world avatar

    My job was in person until the pandemic hit. I was sure I’d hate remote working, but it turns out that I love it and I’m way more productive than I was in the office. (No coworkers stopping by to chat for one thing.) My job has now moved to the parent company which is about 10 hours away from me so I now permanently work from home. No expectation that I ever come into the office. (There’s no way I’d do that commute!)

    A few times, I was unsure of my job’s future stability and looked around. Being a web developer shifting technologies while at 48 can feel really unstable. You’re too old for many people. You don’t have deep experience with specific technologies. It’s frightening to think that I could age out of my job two decades before retirement.

    My local job market isn’t great, but work from home means that I can look nationwide (or further if I want) if need be. It gives me a lot more options and doesn’t mean I have to uproot my family and travel halfway around the country just to have a job. (Something that I couldn’t do for various reasons.)

    jantin ,

    I want it to be true but I also see the world. In my line of work in my country (science and not exactly commercial) the consensus seems to be “remote work was a disaster, let’s not” up to explicitly forbidding remote/hybrid seminars.

    AlecSadler ,

    I just started a gig at a company that doesn’t really know how to do remote work well, but that basically told me that they were having trouble finding candidates so they had to start looking for remote.

    I recently left a gig that sold their offices off so even employees in the area don’t have an office to go to anymore and everyone is remote. They’ve lost some Product/Manager people over the decision, but have otherwise seen an uptick in productivity and morale.

    FaceDeer ,
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    I just recently got laid off, and the industry I work in doesn't have a huge presence in my city so I was pretty bummed. I was expecting a long, difficult hunt for a new job (I have zero interest in moving).

    But boom, first job I applied for, I got. It's located in the next province over, but it's full remote. Cost of living is way cheaper here so I got a big raise and my new employers are probably still chuckling about how cheap I am. A win for everyone.

    Paddzr ,

    Only if enough companies offer fair remote work. If 90% of them stick to work from office culture war, what are you going to do? Not work? I can quit my job and have a new one by the end of the day. I would still struggle to find remote work in a reasonable time frame. I’m not willing to blow my savings on it so I stick with job O enjoy that offers hybrid.

    SCB ,

    You look for remote work while currently employed. That’s ideally how you switch jobs in general.

    AA5B ,

    I’m ok with the current status quote. The problem with fully remote work is there’s always someone cheaper, whether by skill, experience, desperation, or cost of living. It will be another race to the bottom, like the first few decades of outsourcing, and high cost of living cities would be hardest hit

    Because I’m partly remote and have to be located near an office, I still get the pay structure of where that office is. I still enjoy my Boston area high cost of living pay. If we were fully remote, would they really pay that? What happens to high cost of living cities, much less any city? While I like to think I have excellent skills that are worth the extra pay, there’s no way I can claim to be worth, say two similar guys in Austin, or four in Alabama. There’s no way I can live where i do if I were paid like a lower cost of living area …. And that’s before you even consider the rest of the world.

    APassenger ,

    This is what I don’t hear discussed as often as I’d expected. When you make a solid case for 100% remote, bargaining power is lost - or at least the COLA is harder to defend.

    Paddzr ,

    Because everyone on Reddit thinks they’re hot shit. Locally in the county I might be the best available candidate, but nationally? There could be a thousand like me. And if you open the flood gates to other countries… The race to the bottom no longer ends at minimum wage.

    ryathal ,

    It depends. Full remote means that companies could recruit nationwide, but that cuts both ways. There’s a few hiccups in having employees in multiple states that opens a company up to employment rules in many states, so some companies may want to avoid certain states until they are big enough to handle the complexity. It also means every company has to compete for employees with all the other big companies, not just whoever is within about 50 miles of them.

    APassenger ,

    Full remote means that companies could recruit nationwide

    Depending on the industry and ROI, I’d submit it’s worldwide.

    ryathal ,

    Maybe. Going international is another big step in bureaucracy for a company. Time zones also become a problem, you can’t really have a team made of people farther than about 4 timezones, you need separate teams at that point, which adds complexity. Language barriers also start to become an issue as you expand, even English speaking countries have vast differences, and English as a second language adds more difficulty.

    ipkpjersi ,

    I think it also depends on your amount of experience and if you have a unique skillset. If you have truly rare skills that a company needs, it’s hard for them to not give into your demands.

    Also, with the older style managers and CEOs retiring, dying off, etc, I think remote work will continue being more common than you’d expect.

    With that said, it always helps to have some bargaining power.

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