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DogPeePoo , in Source Who Revealed How Taxes Steal for the Rich Rewarded With Five Years in Prison

Nevertheless, he added, “the judge gave him a max sentence, claiming it was ‘a moral imperative’ to punish him as harshly as possible.”

This guy gets fried on ‘mOrAL iMpeRaTivE’ — but Trump and Clarence Thomas and Brett Kavanaugh continue to party on— while making a complete mockery of the ever apparent 2-tiered US justice system.

go_go_gadget ,

United states of decay

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

In a bourgeois state, the laws are for the little people.

pruwybn , in A 7,000-Pound Car Smashed Through a Guardrail. That’s Bad News for All of Us.
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Hmm, these huge trucks are killing pedestrians, causing worse crashes due to crash incompatibility, destroying the climate, and now smashing through guard rails and flying off cliffs. We’d better change our entire country’s infrastructure to accommodate them.

bigbadmoose ,

It’s the good Christian thing to do

NewNewAccount ,

Amen

macrocephalic ,

Isn’t this just the road trying to solve the problem for us? I say we should have more ditches and guardrail barriers!

SupraMario ,

Lol you apparently didn’t read the article… it’s calling out EVs because they’re usually heavier than the ICE counterparts. Small sedans are pushing 5k pounds now being EVs. Batteries are very very heavy.

COASTER1921 ,

It doesn’t help that the first EVs most manufacturers are focusing on are their large SUVs and trucks. The Chevy Bolt and Tesla Model 3 both certainly aren’t small cars in a general sense, but in the land of EVs they are. Both weigh under 4000 pounds which is less than the best selling vehicle in North America, the F150.

SupraMario ,

Totally agree, but to act like it’s only trucks pushing this weight is silly. The electric leaf is nearly 5k lbs and it’s a very small EV.

Dark_Arc ,
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There’s a big difference between pushing the limit and significantly exceeding the limit though.

One gets you across the bridge. One gets you a nice dip in the river.

COASTER1921 ,

The 2024 leaf is 3509lbs according to the Nissan USA website.

SupraMario ,

3500-3900 depends on what you get for options. Add in people and their shit and you’re pushing 5k (curb weight is 4,900bs)

Juvyn00b ,

You keep misusing the term curb weight.

From teh googs: Curb weight is the weight of the vehicle including a full tank of fuel and all standard equipment. It does not include the weight of any passengers, cargo, or optional equipment.

SupraMario ,

If that’s the fact then it absolutely is 4k+

Catoblepas ,

It’s worth highlighting that this study isn’t really about the merits of EVs. After all, you can buy an EV that weighs less than 5,000 pounds. You just can’t electrify your favorite already-large car—or even buy a hulking gas-powered car—and expect guardrails to work as intended. “Weight is a universal problem; it is not unique to electric vehicles,” Stolle said. “We have similar concerns about the compatibility of the biggest gas-powered cars with our guardrail system.” The 6,700-pound Chevrolet Silverado 1500 already weighs too much, based on the result from this research, and the 8,500-pound Silverado EV weighs even more.

SupraMario ,

Yes but you called out trucks like they’re the only issue. An electric leaf is almost 5k pounds…a leaf…

Catoblepas ,

I’m not the other guy.

pedalmore ,

A leaf is 3500-3900 lbs, not almost 5k lbs

sukhmel ,

Well if you squint at that round to the nearest 5k ¯⁠\⁠⁠(⁠ ͡⁠°⁠ ͜⁠ʖ⁠ ͡⁠°⁠)⁠⁠/⁠¯

SupraMario ,

Curb weight on them is 4,900, yes it’s not 5k that’s why I said nearly 5k…and the point I am making is that a tiny car like that weighing that much shows that batteries are not light.

pedalmore ,

You added an extra 1000 lbs to the heaviest version, then rounded up. The whole entire point of standard weights is so numbskulls don’t just make up numbers for how much things weigh, like you are. The leaf is 350-3900 lbs, not 4900 lbs, not 5000 lbs. Please go back to elementary school.

SupraMario ,

www.autoblog.com/buy/…/specs/

Should have clarified that I meant gross weight.

Pipoca ,

Curb weight is the weight of the car itself, plus any gas, oil, etc it needs to function.

Gross weight is maximum weight the vehicle is designed to support. It’s the curb weight plus the payload capacity.

If a car has a curb weight of 3k lbs and a gross weight of 4k, it doesn’t weigh 4k lbs unless you have 1k lbs of passengers and cargo in it.

NounsAndWords , in A Political Candidate Beheaded a Satanic Temple Statue. Now He Faces Charges.

For reference, the seven tenants listed next to the destroyed display:

I One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.

II The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.

III One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.

IV The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one’s own.

V Beliefs should conform to one’s best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one’s beliefs.

VI People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one’s best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.

VII Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.


It makes a lot of sense to me why Christians would be against this.

Unaware7013 ,

I absolutely love how the TST actually stands for the shit christians have pretended to care about for centuries.

chemicalprophet ,

Hail Satan!

agent_flounder ,
@agent_flounder@lemmy.world avatar

Tenets to live by if you ask me. I wished we all did.

Jivebunny ,
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TIL I’m a Satanist.

agent_flounder ,
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As am I, apparently.

Facebones ,

Welcome! As in all things, be mindful of those with ill intentions, but most of us are perfectly swell people. :)

Jivebunny ,
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A little late but we all are svelte ppl yeah baby yeah. Edit: Svelte swedish, just to clarify. Means starved. Yeah. Now you know. Starved for knowledge yeah

calypsopub ,

“tenets”

NounsAndWords ,

Huh, didn’t even know. Thanks

I’m not changing it.

Imgonnatrythis ,

Wow that really hits a nerve!

What a jackass. Meanwhile supports statues of people who lived by the credo of “I feel so strongly that people should own other people as property that I’m willing to kill for that right, look here’s my gun!”

prole ,

Yeah, it’s difficult to take issue with any of those.

Personally, I don’t need (or want) the baggage associated with organized religion in order to believe and follow those tenets, so I’m not a member. But I’m a big fan.

JohnnyEnzyme ,

Christians have an utter landslide of reasons to believe the most outlandish of complete nonsense, but I’ve always been a fan of science, facts, and reality.

So I thank you. <3

PorthosAteMyCheese , in Abortion rights have won in every election since Roe v. Wade was overturned

They didn’t overturn abortion, they overturned a right to privacy. Much more scary when you think of it like that

blurredbadger ,

Are you claiming that they overturned the 4th amendment?

Kalkaline ,
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“The parties appealed this ruling to the Supreme Court. In January 1973, the Supreme Court issued a 7–2 decision in McCorvey’s favor holding that the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution provides a fundamental “right to privacy”, which protects a pregnant woman’s right to an abortion” from the Wiki. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade#%3A~%3Atext%3DR…

lolcatnip ,

The 4th amendment has been effectively dead for a long time. I think the war on drugs killed it.

blurredbadger ,

Fair, but to say this is what did it is a bit dramatic. Ideally, the court shouldn't be deciding these issues anyway and legislators should actually be doing their job.

pozbo ,
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Lol, 4th amendment strawman backfired huh

blurredbadger ,

Questioning a direct claim is a strawman argument now?

pozbo ,
@pozbo@lemmy.world avatar

Are you questioning my direct claim rn?

blurredbadger ,

You could've just said you didn't know what you were talking about

afraid_of_zombies ,

Not for all of us. I still refuse to answer any question on the census except how many people live there and I don’t help process servers.

disencentivized ,

The 4th amendment is in the ICU on its deathbed.

altima_neo , (edited )
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Can wait till they get to the second amendment. Then all these guys will have their surprised Pikachu face on.

Clickrack ,

They’re going after the 1st and 5th next

Dagwood222 ,

That’s actually a very good way to put it.

Look at some of the rules they’ve tried to pass. Checking on high school students’ mensuration, checking on people who leave the state for abortions, trating miscarriages as murder.

pozbo ,
@pozbo@lemmy.world avatar

Don’t forget permission slips to have a nickname!

blurredbadger ,

Are we not talking about the supreme court?

Clickrack ,

Yeah, pretty much. Look at how stupid-state AGs are demanding women’s health records from sane states. msnbc.com/…/republican-state-ags-are-seeking-stat…

blurredbadger ,

Yeah that's pretty trash. But that's still a separate issue and not what SCOTUS ruled on

undercrust , in The lunch rush is dead as Americans live for the weekend, office workers are pinching lunchtime pennies

Dear corporations,

Your current higher profit margins were my former lunch money. You kept all my raises for yourself, and then gave yourself some nice bonuses for fucking me over.

Quit blaming ME for ruining the economy.

Sincerely, The (former) middle class

Dettweiler42 ,

P.S. Also, groceries are already expensive enough. Eating out costs even more than that.

bitwaba ,

I love how corporate behavior is all “free market! competition creates better value for the customer!” Then they keep increasing their prices steadily and when that price becomes too much for the consumer they complain about not having any sales anymore and need to increase prices even more to cover lost profits… instead of doing the free market thing which is… ya know… lowering their prices to stay competitive.

barsquid ,

Corporates: [watching the free market undervalue labor less than usual] nobody wants to work anymore!

Anti_Iridium ,

Nobody wants to be slaves!

EmpathicVagrant ,
NauticalNoodle ,

I’d just like to add that a truly “free market” is not conducive to competition long-term

Potatos_are_not_friends ,

Even small businesses got fucked.

Seeing $9 for a freaking cheese sandwich at a coffee shop? It’s not even gourmet shit. In my city, the average sandwich and a drink is about $15. This is convenience stores, deli counters, food trucks, bars.

They all had to raise prices because corporations raised prices.

EdibleFriend , in James Webb telescope confirms there is something seriously wrong with our understanding of the universe
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No flying machine will ever reach New York from Paris.

One of the Wright brothers said that. It’s actually my favorite quote because it always reminds me we have no idea what the fuck we’re wrong about.

partial_accumen ,

At a computer trade show in 1981, Bill Gates supposedly uttered this statement, in defense of the just-introduced IBM PC’s 640KB usable RAM limit: “640K ought to be enough for anybody.”

deegeese ,

That quote was in the context of the 1981 personal computer market, and in that context is correct.

It’s like a game company CEO saying 12GB of video ram is enough in 2024 so we don’t all need an RTX 4090.

tal ,
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

12GB of video ram is enough in 2024

And then Stable Diffusion showed up

Deceptichum ,
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Im getting away with my 8gb for now.

Its the language/text stuff that really needs like 30gb GPUs.

tal ,
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

Im getting away with my 8gb for now.

I don’t think that you can do the current XL models with 8GB, even for low-resolution images. Maybe with --lowvram or something.

I’ve got a 24GB RX 7900 XT and would render higher resolution images if I had the VRAM – yeah, you can sometimes sort of get a similar effect by upscaling in tiles, but it’s not really a replacement. And I am confident that even if they put a consumer card out with 128GB, someone will figure out some new clever extension that does something fascinating and useful…as long as one can devote a little more memory to it…

Deceptichum ,
@Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works avatar

I do XL all the time, at about 30-45 seconds per image. 8gb is surprisingly enough for SDXL, and I run like 7gb models with 3-6 Lora on top.

ABCDE ,

I think the context was for computers at the time.

FartsWithAnAccent ,
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That one is apocryphal if I remember correctly, and at the time it was pretty much true.

WarmSoda ,

Scientists in the 1800s also proclaimed we figured everything out and science was completed.

bleistift2 ,

*1900s. Max Planck famously pondered whether he should pursue physics or music and was told by his professor that Physics was “done except for a few minor details”. Planck then went on to invent quantum physics to screw over students the world over.

link.springer.com/chapter/…/978-3-642-56594-6_11

Gork ,

Planck then went on to invent quantum physics to screw over students the world over.

lol

ech ,

“except for a few minor details”. Understatement of the millennium.

WarmSoda ,

Thank you for the correction! That’s such a great little story

tal ,
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

No flying machine will ever reach New York from Paris.

googles

Interestingly, when he wrote that, it was part of a larger quote saying virtually the same thing that you are, just over a century ago:

Wilbur in the Cairo, Illinois, Bulletin, March 25, 1909

No airship will ever fly from New York to Paris. That seems to me to be impossible. What limits the flight is the motor. No known motor can run at the requisite speed for four days without stopping, and you can’t be sure of finding the proper winds for soaring. The airship will always be a special messenger, never a load-carrier. But the history of civilization has usually shown that every new invention has brought in its train new needs it can satisfy, and so what the airship will eventually be used for is probably what we can least predict at the present.

EdibleFriend ,
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See? I was wrong.

HUMANS

OpenStars ,
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Thank goodness computers are never wrong. :-P

Communist ,
@Communist@lemmy.ml avatar

Hey, they always do exactly as they’re told!

OpenStars ,
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Hrm, in that case, now I wonder how they are ever correct!?:-P

FrederikNJS ,

As a Software Engineer, I ask myself that question several times per day.

OpenStars ,
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Bc chips are as dumb as rocks, but really really really good at repetition:-).

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dalekcaan ,

Easy, think about who decides whether or not they’re correct.

Again, humans.

OpenStars ,
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For now… except managers don’t want to actually think, yet do want to be in control of even the tiniest aspects of every single fucking thing (see e.g. Boeing planes literally falling out of the sky, against the wishes of the engineers bc the managers figured that this way of skipping maintenance and then covering that truth from federal safety commissioners was “better”… for the sake of their profits ofc), so how soon until their unthinking need to “feel like” they are in control leads them to using computers to control the people, without even those humans who hold the admin rights ever making any conscious decisions?

I suspect that a thinking computer may be correct far more often than an unthinking human.:-D

SnotFlickerman ,
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And thank goodness it’s not nearly impossible to convince a computer that it isn’t correct when you don’t have admin rights.

sudo you’re a fucking idiot, computer

FlyingSquid ,
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“I think there is a world market for maybe five computers.”

– Thomas Watson, president of IBM

OpenStars ,
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I cannot stomach much of it, but it is fun to go back and watch older media related to technology - e.g. the six million dollar man has like spinning tape disks, when computers were entire-room affairs.

So he was right, using the definition at that time, though there was also so much potential for more.

Also it is funny to hear them say that technology would literally make the six million dollar man “better”, not just “well again” or “he will have side effects but his capabilities will be far above the norm” or some such. One glance at Google these days, or a Boeing plane, does not inspire me to think of the word “better” than what came before even from those exact companies. Technology moves forward, but I am not so sure that the new is always “better” than the old. It was an interesting bias that they had though, during the cold war and after the moon landing.

FlyingSquid ,
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“We can improve him.”

And I believe tape storage hadn’t even been invented when Watson said that. It may have even been pre-magnetic tape entirely because I believe he said it before a computer was actually invented (unless you count Babbage’s difference engine). It was a prediction of what the world would need if computers existed if I remember correctly.

OpenStars ,
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And it makes total sense, bc the idea of a “PC” hadn’t been tried yet, bc the technology simply wasn’t yet up to the task. And yeah I think I remember the same thing about that quote, though who knows:-P.

Anyway, it was hard for computers to be wrong about simple arithmetic operations, but they’ve come a long way since then, and AIs are now wrong more often than not.

joe_cool ,

Considering we now have a “CD” that stores 125TB of data ( livescience.com/…/new-petabit-scale-optical-disc-… ).

Not all older tech are necessarily worse. An LTO-9 tape can also store 18TB of data per tape. It’s still sold today and great for archival.

Other cheaper, less error prone tech usually gets mass market penetration. But I am happy that massive storage niche tech is still there.

OpenStars ,
@OpenStars@startrek.website avatar

Yeah tape is niche, but still serves its particular purpose well!:-)

joe_cool ,

True. 12h to write the whole 18TB makes it a bit impractical for stuff other than backups. ;)

OpenStars ,
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Well, I imagine the write-once, re-write-never part also may limit its applicability too:-). Then again, for a purpose where the data doesn’t need to be constantly changing, like storing a TV show or movie, possibly even music if someone wants to listen to albums rather than randomized songs, it could offer a lot of practical utility to many people.

joe_cool ,

Oh you can totally erase and reuse the tapes. Depending on the tape software you can also rewrite parts or replace older files with incremental updates. It just really takes a while of rewinding. And the noise it makes is kinda retro…

OpenStars ,
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Hehe, I can just imagine that in my mind…wrrr…:-P

joe_cool ,

That’s an older one but they are still like that: www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJX2o1JYgQg

OpenStars ,
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As a wise person said once, “Not all older tech are necessarily worse.”:-)

It’s just that capitalism wants to sell you what they want you to buy, rather than what you truly want:-(. I mean, capitalism made this too, but I am saying that I think that is why people are constantly pushing for the newest and latest thing: b/c if you already have old thing, then they want you to buy new thing too, even if old thing was perfectly fine for what purpose you were using it for. :-|

jonkenator ,

I love this response!

EdibleFriend ,
@EdibleFriend@lemmy.world avatar

It was a very fitting time to be wrong lol

Rooskie91 ,

You were wrong, which proves your point correct. Good job being wrong and right at the same time.

tal ,
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Oh, and to provide numbers:

www.distance.to/New-York/Paris

That’s 5,837.07 km.

As of the moment, the longest flight by distance:

en.wikipedia.org/…/Virgin_Atlantic_GlobalFlyer

In February 2006, Fossett flew the GlobalFlyer for the longest aircraft flight distance in history: 25,766 miles (41,466 km).

That’s 7.1 times the Paris-to-New-York flight distance.

As for time:

No known motor can run at the requisite speed for four days without stopping…

The longest flight by time:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rutan_Voyager

The flight took off from Edwards Air Force Base’s 15,000 foot (4,600 m) runway in the Mojave Desert on December 14, 1986, and ended 9 days, 3 minutes and 44 seconds later on December 23, setting a flight endurance record.

ech ,

the longest aircraft flight distance in history: 25,766 miles (41,466 km)

That’s 800 miles (1,400 km) longer than the circumference of the Earth. Humans are a trip.

VirtualOdour ,

Plus X-37B has flown round the earth for two and a half years on its longest flight. I know it’s not really what he was thinking about as it’s launched in space from a rocket in orbit but then that just adds even more to the notion tech advancement can be almost impossible to predict.

Deceptichum ,
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“Brought in its train” what an interesting phrase, do people still say this? Is it the same as “in its wake” we use today?

bradorsomething ,

It appears to be meant like “retinue” or “followers.”

I_Fart_Glitter ,

“retinue”

ret·i·nue

/ˈretnˌo͞o/

noun: retinue; plural noun: retinues


<span style="color:#323232;">a group of advisers, assistants, or others accompanying an important person.
</span><span style="color:#323232;">"the rock star's retinue of security guards and personal cooks"
</span>
FilterItOut ,

Yes. Think of weddings. The thing trailing behind the ‘fancy’ ones is called the train.

anarchy79 ,
@anarchy79@lemmy.world avatar

So context matter, you say. This is revolutionary! But it will never catch on.

BakerBagel ,

He also isn’t talking about airplanes, but airships. Sure plenty of planes make the journey every day, but zero airships do because they really are quite useless for it. Obviously he was wrong becauae a few airships did end up making Atlantic crossings, but they were slow, cramped, and dangerous compsred to ocean liners.

grue ,

Wilbur clearly didn’t know about in-flight refueling.

It also makes me wonder if trans-atlantic gliding is a feat that could be feasibly attempted with modern technology.

kelargo ,

And 100 years later, in one generation, humans land on the moon.

originalucifer , in Kids as young as 14 were found working at a Tennessee factory that makes lawn mower parts
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notice no one is going to jail.

snooggums ,
@snooggums@midwest.social avatar

The company is being fined, so no single person is being held accountable monetarily either

WarmSoda ,

You’d think since companies are people they’d be thrown in jail or something.

aniki ,

They would but companies usually are considered rich people so they get the same treatment.

FlyingSquid ,
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Corporations are people until it comes to them committing serious felonies.

WarmSoda ,

At that point they’re “too big to fail”

FlyingSquid ,
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Google tells me:

Tuff Torq has 513 employees, and the revenue per employee ratio is $311,891. Tuff Torq peak revenue was $160.0M in 2023.

They were fined $300,000. So less than one employees’ worth of revenue.

Cost of doing business, as usual.

jordanlund ,
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Fined $300K, but also have to give up $1.5M in profit for the 10 kids. $150,000 per kid, or, you know, 1/2 of the revenue they generated. ;)

FlyingSquid ,
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Well I’m sure a company with ethics, like John Deere probably, will stop doing business with Tuff Torq now. Definitely.

jordanlund ,
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No, they’ll just re-negotiate their contract to get a better deal causing Tuff Torque to treat their remaining employees worse.

BossDj ,

Or owner bankrupts tuff torq, gives himself a termination bonus, then makes a new LLC called Tough Tork

MotoAsh ,

Then his grand child does the same thing 30 years later to Tough Torgue

Fosheze ,

Honestly, they probably will. John Deere is really shitty ethically speaking with their stance on right to repair but they have a very strict supplier code of conduct. I used to work for a place that was one of their suppliers and our contract with them was far more strict than with any of our other customers. It mostly included things focused on employee welfare at the suppliers site. I’m going to see if I can get a hold of it today but posting it would probably violate confidentiality and this is an easily doxable account so don’t expect me to post it wholesale.

Also this place just got a bunch of bad press while being associated with Deere while Deere currently has enough bad press of their own. They’re going to come down on them hard which almost certainly means just cutting them off because it isn’t like a company as big as Deere is going to struggle to find eager suppliers.

bane_killgrind ,

They would actually just hire adults, who cost slightly more if they are desperate. They will continue production at 100%

Sidyctism ,

Could you explain what exactly “revenue per employee ratio” means? My thought would be that this is the value the average employee creates for the company minus the cost of employment per year, is that correct?

bufalo1973 ,
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I think it’s 160M / 500+ employees.

Enkrod ,
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It’s just revenue divided by number of employees

psud ,

Revenue is all the money the company makes, before any costs

Revenue per employee is that amount divided by the number of employee

The after costs amount would be profit per employee

kboy101222 ,

Whoever signed off on hiring literal children should be held accountable. Actually holding these people to accountability is the only way this is getting solved

doublejay1999 ,
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Cost of doing business

kerr , in Phoenix breaks heat record as city hits 110F for the 54th consecutive day

110F = 43.33C if anyone else was wondering.

dannoffs ,
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It’s also getting towards the end of the summer there when it gets humid.

tsonfeir ,
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I’m curious to see what the rains are like during El Niño with this heat

And009 ,

Good bot, that’s hot

Rubezahl ,

Thank you!

Scrof ,

Jesus fuck that’s brutal even for a desert.

foofiepie ,

Thank you and Erk!

Buffalox ,

Metric: 1 calorie heats 1 gram of water 1 C°, 1 gram is equal to 1cm³. Water boils at 100 C° and freezes at zero.

Imperial: 1 calorie heats 1 something by ?? F equal to ???, and 0F and 100F are completely irrelevant to everyday life and tasks.

wavebeam ,
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I get your point, but disagree with your thesis. Fahrenheit makes a lot of sense for human comfort ranges. 0 and 100 are some of the most extreme natural temperatures most people in F-using countries ever see. 0 means cold as fuck and 100 means hot as fuck. And there’s a single-digit useful precision to it as well. 72 and 73 are close, but noticeably different. Celsius requires decimals for that kind of difference. And 0 means “it’s kinda cold outside, I guess” and 100 means “you were dead a long time ago”, so it’s not nearly as useful in every day life with natural living temperatures.

coaxil ,

Hi sepo, :)

KyuubiNoKitsune ,

0 means any water outside will most likely start freezing, 100 means any water outside will be boiling. Makes sense to me. What temp do things start freezing in F? 30? 40? Doesn’t make sense at all. What temp does water boil? 160? I dunno, none of it is rational in any way.

azulavoir ,

0/32/64/96 are somewhat reasonable breakpoints in F, and make dividing the space between them in half repeatedly on a thermometer simple. Fahrenheit was literally made up by Big Thermometer for this exact reason.

myusernameblows ,

“Somewhat reasonable”

KyuubiNoKitsune ,

Lol, big thermometer.

MNByChoice ,

Salt water freezes at 0F. Normal water at 32 F. Normal water boils at 212 F. Human body at 100 F (which is wrong, but also has been changing.) Below 10 F snot in nose freezes. 20 F is time to switch to long pants.

SeaJ ,

Water freezes at an obvious 32°F at sea level and of course boils at 212°F. What’s so confusing about that? /s

FlowVoid ,

Water boils at 99.9839 Celsius, not 100. What so confusing about that?

joel_feila ,
@joel_feila@lemmy.world avatar

they are all arbitrary numbers. Originally C actually had water freeze at 0 and boil at -100

Saltblue ,

I get your point

Saltblue ,

I get your point “but because I was brought up with this system I’m going to make an argument as why it makes sense to me”

25 Celsius is a nice summer day

0 Celsius you better take a jacket and it’s probably going to snow

43 Celsius damn hot

60-80 Celsius a very nice sauna

It’s not that hard burgerman

Hylactor ,

burgerman

Hey, we didn’t come up with the shit in the first place. The Imperial System is a British invention.

Saltblue ,

Once upon a time I was going trough some hardships, sometimes I couldn’t afford a meal, I’m not proud to admit that one time I took paper towels, wet them in a bowl and eat them, and you know what? Still had more flavor than br**ish food.

Buffalox ,

Any usefulness of Fahrenheit is purely accidental, how is water freezing at 32F useful? I’ll grant that the finer resolution can be seen as a positive, I don’t see how Fahrenheit is better for human comfort, my personal optimal comfort zone is 22-24C°, and I have no need for decimals for that. 73F is pretty close to 23C, I don’t see much difference regarding comfort in either.

The huge problem with Fahrenheit, is that it is impractical in many situations, it has basically no merit to justify its existence, and only a minority of countries continue to use it.

Of course Americans can do whatever they want, but they are looking stupider for each year they keep using “Freedom Units”.

Of course Americans switch to metric for mostly anything scientific, for example NASA use Metric.

FlowVoid ,

The SI unit of temperature is kelvin, not Celsius.

If people don’t want to use kelvin, does that mean they are stupid?

Buffalox ,

True, but Kelvin is based on Celsius, only difference is that zero is moved from freezing water to absolute zero. Celsius however is more practical for everyday life.

FlowVoid ,

Celsius is only practical if you measure the temperature of water more often than the temperature of air.

But most people never measure the temperature of water, and frequently measure the temperature of air. For them, Celsius offers no advantage.

Buffalox ,

Why? As I see it, it’s quite practical for air too, epecially when considering humidity.

FlowVoid ,

A scale that typically goes from -20 to 40 is less practical than a scale that typically goes from 0 to 100.

Humidity is irrelevant. Celsius is useful only when measuring the liquid phase of water.

wavebeam ,
@wavebeam@lemmy.world avatar

The usefulness of gravity is also purely accidental

Buffalox ,

False equivalence. gravity is not man made.

AnUnusualRelic ,
@AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world avatar

So you’re saying it’s relevant for basically nothing but the weather. It’s not a very good argument.

seejur ,

Is also incredibly subjective. What’s comfortable for one person might not be for another. I’m pretty sure an Inuit and a Ghanan have pretty different ideas of what’s cold or hot. Same for Floridan and Minnesotan speaking of the US

rambaroo ,

0 and 100 are not comfortable for anyone.

rambaroo ,

To be fair, that’s all it’s used for. No one uses Fahrenheit for science in the US.

sentient_loom ,
@sentient_loom@sh.itjust.works avatar

If it requires this much explanation, it’s not very sensible.

In Celsius 0 is freezing and 100 is boiling. It’s so simple. “Comfortable” is anywhere from like 15-30 (my Canadian standards, very subjective I know) and we don’t need decimals.

squirrelwithnut ,

Here you go. Pretty simply, really.

Nath ,
@Nath@aussie.zone avatar

“Fairly cold”? I’ve been in 0c a few times in my life and every time it was freezing!

Isn’t 100f the temperature your blood is meant to be?

Malfeasant ,

98.6°F is body temperature. The .6 is funny because it’s only there because someone picked a nice round number in °C then converted it. There’s a name for that in math but I can’t remember what it is… something about more precise than accurate…

foksmash ,

It’s honestly really intuitive for weather if you grew up with it. We still use metric for science because it makes the most sense there, like you say.

PBSkidz4Lyfe ,

But it’s not that simple. 100 boiling is only true at sea level. At 530 (~1750 feet) it’s 98c. At 1500m (~5000ft) it’s down to 95c. At 3000m (10k feet) it’s just under 90c. Ocean water freezes at -2c. Fully saturated salt water freezes at -21c.

SnipingNinja ,

Fahrenheit doesn’t have this issue?

FlowVoid ,

Fahrenheit and Celsius both have the exact same issues. Which is why there isn’t much reason to switch.

Sludgeyy ,

Temperatures can be given more accurately in Fahrenheit with whole numbers

FlowVoid ,

That’s an approximation. Celsius is no longer defined in terms of water boiling and freezing, and they are no longer exactly 0 and 100.

The modern definition of Celsius is based on absolute zero and the triple point of water. And those are also the basis for the modern definition of Fahrenheit.

steltek , (edited )

Use the right tool for the right job. Fahrenheit helps plan your day, with weather or pool temperatures or whatever. Celsius is for science and engineering. This argument sounds a little like driving a nail with a torque wrench.

I can ballpark C to F. But pressure is never going to happen. Like what’s 30psi? 547000 Pa or something? Who the fuck knows. Or you could use bar, with a scale of 1 to 5, lol.

Buffalox , (edited )

How is using F a better tool for pool temperaturs? I have never heard of a European having problems with that using Celsius.

supercriticalcheese ,

1 bar is as close as practical to1 atm there you go

maporita ,

If they tell me it’s close to zero © then I know it’s time to change from shorts to pants. If it’s close to zero F and you’re still in shorts then you’re probably dead.

troutsushi ,

In what scenario is Fahrenheit more intuitive to someone who grew up with neither of the two systems?

steltek ,

Knowing nothing?! I think Fahrenheit clearly wins as it’s normalized against your own perception and experiences. If you ever have direct contact with 100C, it will be less pleasant than 100F.

But my point was that both systems have their uses and I just code switch between them depending on the task. But if you have to have only one, it should be Celsius. I won’t disagree with that.

Malfeasant ,

But if you have to have only one, it should be Celsius. I won’t disagree with that.

Oh no… Kelvin is that.

FlowVoid ,

Kelvin is clearly superior to Celsius for scientific purposes.

I’m always amused when those who urge Americans to switch to Celsius because it’s “more scientific” are simultaneously unwilling to switch to kelvin because it’s not worth the effort.

severien ,

Fahrenheit is no better than Celsius to plan your day, but it’s very useful to have just one scale to do both science and your day planning (and everything in between).

joel_feila ,
@joel_feila@lemmy.world avatar

but how often does knowing how to convert water weight to volume come up? Same with the energy to heat water.

Nath ,
@Nath@aussie.zone avatar

The water/weight comes up all the time. Filling a 10L bucket, I know that is going to weigh 10kg. I know I can lift it and my kid can’t.

The energy one, I’m not even sure is right. We don’t use calories, we use kilojoules. A joule is used to lift 1kg 1m. It’s not something I ever use. I use kilojoules for tracking food I ate today, that’s about it.

joel_feila ,
@joel_feila@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah i dont really use energy unless i want explain kwh to gallons of gasoline.

But fir water buckets i just see the bycket and have enough experience to know if i can

FlowVoid ,

Lifting 1 kg by 1 m would take 9.8 joules.

Buffalox , (edited )

Weight to volume is extremely common when I cook, because often things are measured in volume, but I prefer to use the weight.

½ a liter water or milk or almost any fluid without extra dish-washing? Easy you just put it on the weight, select tara, and pour 500 grams. Voila you just saved both kitchen space and extra work. because 1g = 1ml with water and most fluids.

It’s equally easy if the number given isn’t in liter, ml or milliliter of course converts directly to grams, and dl or deciliter = 100 g. 1 liter of course being 1000 ml and in water 1000 g or 1 kg. It’s consistent all the way through.

I guess if you are used to Freedom units, this may sound like science fiction, but this has been reality in many countries for a long time already.

joel_feila ,
@joel_feila@lemmy.world avatar

That would make more dishes. If i need flour water and milk i just use the same cup. And i have scale to wash off.

FurtiveFugitive ,

Their phrasing isn’t perfect, but I believe they’re saying,

  1. Put the whole mixing bowl or pot or whatever you’re preparing in,.
  2. Press the zero out button
  3. Add your 500g of ingredient
  4. If you have more things to add, press the zero button again and repeat.

No measuring cups needed at all.

joel_feila ,
@joel_feila@lemmy.world avatar

ok that makes a little more sense. It still laves them with a scale to clean cup for me to clean.

FlowVoid ,

One pint of water or milk without extra dish-washing? Easy you just put it on the scale and pour one pound.

Buffalox ,

OK Imperial is not something I’m used to use, but according to Wikipedia, a pint is 569.6 ml and a pound is 0.4535 kg.

So you’d be off by 116,1 g or a whopping 25%!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_units

That would ruin many great recipes.

FlowVoid ,

The American pint is 473 mL.

The Imperial pint used to be that much too, hence the old saying “A pint is a pound the world around”. Then the Imperial pint was increased by 25%, but Americans kept the old amount.

Buffalox ,

How should I know which you use, AFAIK freedom units are American.

FlowVoid ,

You don’t need to know anything about American units. But rest assured that those who do use them still haven’t found a good reason to switch to French units.

BackOnMyBS ,
@BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world avatar

I’m a fan of the metric system, but understand that Fahrenheit is pretty convenient for regular human temperatures. For one, the vast majority of climate temperatures that we experience in the US on a regular basis land between 0°F & 100°F except for deserts & recent climate change impacts. For another, Farenheit is a bit more precise as whole numbers since differences between degrees are smaller, so I can be more precise with my a/c thermostat.

Still, I would prefer that we change to metric across the board in the US because it is more congruent across dimensions and decimals are easier to manipulate than fractions for me. For the latter, if I had a recipe that required I calculate 1/3 cup plus 1/2 cup, I have to switch to 2/6 & 3/6, which equals 5/6, then I’m stuck estimating that anyway since most measuring cups aren’t labeled to the 6th precision. It gets even more confusing when we have to consider teaspoons, tablespoons, & pints. Using liters would be so much more convenient for me. Another area where I get confused is when measurements for food are presented as ounces versus fluid ounces. I understand the difference, but it’s still something I have to think extra about.

My one request in switching over to metric would be that weather and thermostat temperatures are presented at least to the .5°C precision level so that 75°F would be 24.0°C and 74°F would be 23.5°C. Yes, I’m this picky about my thermostat settings and can notice a difference between 75°F/24.0°C and 74°F/23.5°C.

RunawayFixer ,

Request granted! My European thermostat that is about 30 years old now, has a display accuracy of 0.5 degrees, so I’d expect more modern systems to be at least as accurate. I’m not going to speak of the actual accuracy, but the display at least is 0.5 🙂

moitoi ,

We need a bot for that.

Cold_Brew_Enema ,

No one was wondering

Hadriscus ,

I was

Hadriscus ,

Thanks I had to scroll way too far. Please upvote this guy

gAlienLifeform , in Defense moves for mistrial over Daniels' testimony
@gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world avatar
pete_the_cat ,

Good!

avidamoeba ,
@avidamoeba@lemmy.ca avatar

I have a feeling he doesn’t have the best lawyers representing him.

MagicShel ,

Yes, but also in their defense they don’t have the best client. It’s like they deserve each other.

DeepThought42 ,

“I was surprised that there were not more objections,” from the defense team he added. “At one point, the court … objected, because there was no objection coming from the defense.”

Either they are bad lawyers or they were strategically withholding their objections in order to file the mistrial motion. I fully expect this to be brought up again in an appeal, assuming Trump loses the case.

Granite ,

May it be too late for CheeseTurd by then.

rusticus ,

Convicted defendents in New York stay in prison during the appeal process. But of course we wont see that fucking happen because money reasons.

cybersandwich ,

That’s exactly what they were aiming for. It was their hail Mary because they know they don’t have an actual defense

echodot ,

Can they file for a miss trail on the grounds that they themselves didn’t do the thing that’s expected of them in the time it was expected for them to do it.

Surely a lawyer can’t deliberately do a bad job, and then file for a mistrial.

DeepThought42 ,

As far as I’m aware nothing will stop them from trying to do that. It’s up to the judge (or judges if it goes to an appeal) to decide whether their argument makes sense. While I’d hope that a competent judge will see their shenanigans for what it is, I have no doubt that someone has made that strategy work at some point.

To be clear, I’m not a lawyer, so naturally don’t take my word for it.

IchNichtenLichten ,
@IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world avatar

“But Merchan says he was also surprised there were not more objections from the defense and that, at one point, he stepped in of his own accord to restrict Daniels’ testimony.”

theguardian.com/…/donald-trump-hush-money-trial-f…

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

If he paid lawyers, he might get good ones.

Jaysyn ,
@Jaysyn@kbin.social avatar

Blanche used to be a respected lawyer. I hope the payday was enough to pay for the reputational damage he's taking.

cheese_greater ,

Blanche was actually a pretty respected prosecutor turned defense attorney, its surprising he took the case unless he wanted to get out of law and this was his swansong before transitioning to some sweet talkinghead gig or other well-paid right-wing political operative role

slickgoat ,

I’ve been following this trial very closely. Trump is the problem. He demands that his lawyers challenge everything very aggressively. He is enraged if his counsel accepts even trivial facts that make no difference either way. The bigger question is why they put up with his tantrums.

Money, probably…

baldingpudenda ,

He’s not gonna pay. He’ll say he lost so why pay. He’s got almost 500 million on bond for business fraud, 5 million for rape of Ms. Carroll, I think I’m missing another big one, and he’s freaking out at donors for not giving enough.

He’s got no field offices set up and only really doing campaign rallies, if you don’t count the desperate emails begging for donations. The only thing keeping his “campaign” going right now is the cult.

orcrist ,

Don’t you think his lawyers insisted on a large retainer up front? They all know his finances.

baru ,

There have been loads of people who knew he doesn’t pay and still thought they’d be the exception.

Jaysyn ,
@Jaysyn@kbin.social avatar

He's literally having to pay up front. Kise got a $5M retainer.

Jaysyn ,
@Jaysyn@kbin.social avatar

He's been having to pay up front since he lost White House counsel.

captainlezbian ,

Yeah historically they like being paid and really aren’t jumping at the chance to do polarizing work for free

capt_wolf ,
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A_A ,
@A_A@lemmy.world avatar

Saving us clicks : many thanks :)

homesweethomeMrL ,

“I don’t believe we are at the point where a mistrial is warranted,” Merchan said.

Feathercrown ,

lol get fucked traitors

hoshikarakitaridia ,
@hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.world avatar

I was gonna say, that’s hilarious but nah. I think that’s what the judge thinks as well.

Legally speaking that’s some bullshit.

nicetriangle , in Uproar as after-school Satan club forms at Tennessee elementary school

The outrage these assholes are feeling is what the rest of us feel every time we see them trying to force their dogma into every facet of society.

grue ,

Except ours is actually justified.

Welt ,

Way to miss the point and misunderstand it in terms of polarized politics. There is no “ours” and “theirs”.

grue ,

Not everything is a debate with multiple valid points of view. The notion that your right to a belief somehow encompasses a right to inflict that belief on everybody else isn’t an ideological position; it’s a declaration of violence.

Fuck dishonest moral relativism. 2+2=4 and one person’s religious freedom ends where another person’s begins. Those are facts, not opinions, and if you disagree you’re just wrong.

EatATaco ,

Neither is justified, theirs is just hypocritical

grue ,

Excuse me, but being outraged at having your rights attacked – your actual rights, in contrast to the religious nutjobs’ imagined “right” to inflict their beliefs on others – is entirely fucking justified!

EatATaco ,

Sorry you’re right, I misread the post. I thought the poster was saying that we feel outrage by their clubs. On reread it’s clear I interpreted it wrong (my own fault) and agree.

zaph ,

If it makes you feel any better I was interpreting it the same way and appreciate your sacrifice.

EatATaco ,

I’m amazingly good at forgetting my own mistakes. It’s how I maintain such a high opinion of myself despite being so deeply flawed.

archomrade ,

I’m pretty sure this is how normal people maintain their self-esteem.

Unfortunately I do not have that trait myself.

Potatos_are_not_friends ,

Need more groups.

Every city that allows religion in a public school needs a ASS club

BURN , in Gen Z can’t work alongside people with different views because they ‘haven’t got the skills to disagree’ says British TV boss

I definitely see this as “we can’t get away with the boys club anymore” rather than a problem with Gen Z. Gen Z won’t hide their unhappiness with any of the -isms and will call it out instead of just keeping their head down.

EmpathicVagrant ,

Right, it’s not the lack of skills to disagree. What it is, is the bravery to not tolerate intolerance, and they stand for what they believe the world should be. Making mr grouper proud out here.

CoderKat ,

Yeah, I’m proud of the younger generation. I see them standing up against the kinda shit that my generation at the same age just accepted or perpetrated.

RecursiveParadox ,
@RecursiveParadox@lemmy.world avatar

Fair enough. But if you don’t tell someone why you are unhappy with them or the situation they control, then nothing improves for anyone.

Protoknuckles ,

I believe the impetus is on the bigot to figure their shit out. It is exhausting arguing with bigots, and it is not people’s job to teach them how not to be a bigot. There is enough information out there now that you should know not to be an intolerant asshole, and if someone chooses instead to be a piece of shit, I’m comfortable with them being ostracized while they sort themselves out. And if they can’t, I’m comfortable with them dying old, alone and confused wondering why nobody visits them.

EndOfLine ,

This sounds like you are promoting an “I’m right, your wrong, and I have no responsibility to correct or educate.” mentality. I’m not sure if trusting the people with opposing views to change on their own is the best approach. I think only deepens divides and entrenches opposition.

People with opposing ideas do exist in a vacuum and will have no problem putting the time in to recruiting others to their way of thinking and promoting similar thinkers to positions of power and influence. Ostracizing those you disagree can just as easily put you in a bubble of isolation, or an echo chamber, as them.

Not to mention that discussing opposing ideas improves understanding both by defending your views and by better understanding the why and origins of their ideas.

Sir_Kevin ,
@Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

There’s nothing wrong with having a “not my responsibility to correct or educate mentality”. These assholes are grown adults. If they haven’t figured things out by now then fuck em.

EndOfLine ,

I think that there is something wrong with the “not my job” approach. I believe in the saying “The only thing evil needs to thrive is for good people to do nothing.”

Assuming that everyone has shared in your socioeconomic upbringing and therefore has the same access to diverse ideas is flawed.

I am personally inspired by Daryl Davis, a black musician who, through simple conversation, has convinced grown adult Ku Klux Klan members to change their ways and renounce the KKK.

I believe that people should work towards the changes they want to see manifest in the world.

toomanyjoints69 ,

I could see trying to change someones mind if you knew them closely, but otherwise its a waste of time. Racism and homophobia have social value because it isolates people they dont like. That is why they are open with their racism. If you try to change their mind, then not only will they not change their mind, not only will they report you to HR for harassing them, and not only will the homophobe running HR think youre a pussy, but a conga line of ugly fucking orcs is going to want to fight you now.

Its interesting you bring up the KKK, because its exactly that sort of prejudice i bring up. If you see one person say something that shocking and nobody is shocked, then they all agree. You can either realize that YOU are the outcast removed boy, or you can quit your job. If you fight it because youre the next Martin Luther King, then youll just get a bunch of harassment before you get tired and quit.

Ive lost so mqny great jobs because i thought id be openly gay in an industrial setting. Its not worth it, and neither is saying anything when cletus and jimbob are laughing about putting all thr trans people in a lathe along with the foreman. (Imagine their fake tits exploding when they hit the ground, and their wieners getting stuck in the bar! Herrherr herr herr. )

Now i keep my mouth shut and respect the fact that rednecks are subhumans that should all just be shot when they think these things. Sin e imtoo much of a pussy to go on a killing spree, i guess i just have to sit and get fucked, like how you should.

Protoknuckles ,

Yeah, I think you’ve got me right there. When it comes to being a bigot, I do believe in ostracizing and silencing, in order to put them in a tiny fringe echo chamber. That is much safer than having their ideas out in the open. Racists and bigots should be afraid of stating their opinion, this way their backwards-ass ideas die out with them. Because people aren’t racist from well thought out rational thought. Their racist because of emotions like fear and anger. Something is going wrong in their life and it’s easier to blame a marginalized group than it is it take responsibility. No amount of debate will fix that, and I’m tired of trying. Fuck them.

I also firmly believe in the paradox if tolerance. You cannot tolerate the intolerant, and part of that includes not treating their opinions as valid. Because they are not.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance#:~:t….

EndOfLine ,

I understand the frustration and seeming futility in trying to change the minds of those with opposing views. It takes constant work and vigilance, but it is important challenge their ideas. Even if you make zero impact on them, you can reach other people. Especially if you have the discussion in a public venue, like an internet firum. Even if you don’t change any minds, if you truly believe in something then you should continue to work towards it.

As for the “they should already know better” argument, I wonder if you are familiar with Daryl Davis, a black musician who would sit with members of the KKK and talk to them about their beliefs. He has well over 20 robes from former klansmen who have given him their robes after he changed their views with those conversations. Turns out that most of them have never had anybody calmly listen to and then dispute the racist claims that they grew up with and have heard repeated their whole lives.

Notice how I am talking about confronting and challenging ideas, not tolerating them.

The only thing evil needs to thrive is for good people to do nothing.

Protoknuckles ,

I know of him, and applaud him. If I were a better man, perhaps I could do as he did. However, I no longer have that energy in me to waste. What I can do is shut their voices out of my world and my family’s world. From there, I hope the Daryl Davis’s of the world help them heal. But it will not be me.

UFODivebomb ,

Not true: boomers will eventually die

SighBapanada ,

I’m a millennial but this reminds me of when I first got into the work force and was stuck in an office full of boomers with me being the youngest. I remember the boss would take turns taking shots at different people during meetings, making insensitive racial jokes about people. I eventually got tired of doing the uncomfortable fake laugh so I just sat there stone faced during his jokes. He halted the entire meeting to a stop to ask me why I wasn’t laughing. This is the extent to which office culture must be obeyed and how insecure they get when you don’t go along with it. It’s so pathetic.

sara ,

I’m also a millennial with a similar experience in my first job in 2004 or 2005, except instead of racial jokes, it was jokes about boobs, sexist rumors about another coworker moonlighting as a stripper, unwanted touching, etc, and when I reported it, I was told to “grow up” by my supervisor.

SighBapanada ,

Ohhh yeah, there was that too, I can definitely recall one of my male managers making comments about a woman’s body when she wasn’t in the room. So gross.

Socsa ,

This is exactly it. I’ve seen this exact thing play out a bunch of times. It’s a real threat to them, because so many of these people got to where they are because they know how to work that frat boy culture to their advantage, and now they suddenly have to deal with people who don’t find their shit funny. The reality is that they don’t actually have any real skills besides the politics of being loud and borish.

The thing is, if you say “black lives matter” they’ll quietly run to HR and claim they don’t feel comfortable and they don’t want politics in the workplace. Then they’ll turn right around and go back to talking fondly about their date rape days at Cornell

RGB3x3 ,

“YoU CaNT sAy AnYtHiNg AnYMoRe”

“How am I supposed to compliment a woman these days?”

It’s the same boomers that make those complaints whining about Gen Z

kescusay , in Nebraska teen sent to 90 days in jail over abortion
@kescusay@lemmy.world avatar

Revolting that this is now a “crime.”

RangerAndTheCat ,

Yep they’re trying(and succeeding at in some states) to frame women as cattle. Where the fetus no matter what the viability is, or the danger to the women’s health, and her socioeconomic status in regards to being able to raise a kid(with little to no help from the state that made her carry the fetus to term without any social safety net and if their is one it’s completely underfunded and has lack of easy access. Wtf is going on in peoples minds that think this is alright? I swear the alt right and republicans just give lip service “ small government” while they laugh all the way to the bank and damn well make sure that their daughters,wife’s, mistresses have access to those health services that is “plebs” are not privy too. /end rant

MyOpinion ,

Jailing women. Jailing gay people. Killing Trans people. Banning books. Get ready the GOP/Nazi party is spreading their wings.

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  • FizzlePopBerryTwist ,

    In Nebraska, The 12-week ban includes exceptions for rape, incest and to save the life of the mother. This might indicate it was more of a socio-economic / psychological reason, which are not sufficient grounds under the law to terminate the offspring after that point.

    rockSlayer ,

    It doesn’t matter when the effect prevents basically everyone from getting an abortion.

    FizzlePopBerryTwist ,

    Not “everyone”. There are exceptions for rape, incest, and mortal danger to the mother.

    transmatrix ,

    Good luck getting a doctor to perform an abortion under those conditions. Whose responsibility is it to verify that the condition is met? Doctors are very afraid of being sued. Most just won’t perform any abortions just in case. This is the intended effect.

    SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

    Could you imagine telling other people what medical procedures they are allowed to have?

    Land of the free, my ass.

    Maturin ,

    Because it is a garbage law

    Kantiberl , (edited )
    @Kantiberl@kbin.social avatar

    It was always a crime to secretly force a stillbirth at 28 weeks and then bury the body without telling anyone. 28 weeks is almost 7 months (edit: math is hard). She had plenty of time to do it legally.

    chicken ,
    @chicken@lemmy.world avatar

    agree. fetuses can live outside the womb starting at ~24 weeks, whether you are pro life or pro choice i think (and hope) most of us can agree abortion at 28 weeks is very wrong. i dont understand how people can think otherwise. plus the article says nothing about the fetus posing any dangers to her health.

    admiralteal ,

    Absent more information, we cannot assert it was definitely wrong. You've intentionally framed this as "the article says nothing about the fetus posing any dangers to her health" which I have to assume is an intentional lie of omission. What the article actually says is nothing at all about the health of the fetus. It does not imply there was no danger to her health. It says nothing. Likely because it is an unknown.

    What we do know about a 28-week abortion is that such an abortion was not part of a normal, healthy plan. Late-term abortions like this are almost certainly from someone intending to carry to term who has some kind of crisis. We do not know the nature of severity of the crisis.

    In such a crisis generally, the community and the state should've been there to help them navigate it and reach an outcome that kept her as whole as possible while doing what is possible to keep the child alive. This was possibly a viable pregnancy. But I totally understand, especially to a teenager and in the current political environment of a place like Nebraska, being rightly too frightened to reach out for help.

    SeaJ ,

    We can not agree on that because we have no fucking clue on the circumstances. It’s possible she learned of a medical complication for the fetus after 20 weeks. It is possible that it is really difficult to get an abortion in Nebraska and it took a couple months to be able to obtain the resources to do it.

    We do not know because the information is not provided. It is possible that somehow after carrying a fetus for 28 weeks and likely knew for 22 of those weeks, she decided she no longer wanted it. We do not know but that seems unlikely to me.

    hotdaniel ,

    To pretend that abortion after some arbitrary limit, should be illegal, is to make a mockery of pro-choice and bodily autonomy arguments. It even makes a mockery of pro-life. The whole thing is a complete joke. If you think abortion is murder, then agreeing to a term - based compromise is agreeing to let people murder children as long as they’re not too old. A compete mockery of pro-life. In reality, the arguments for bodily autonomy are so strong that everyone should have the right to abort at any term, because no one has the right to use someone else’s body without their consent (Republicans are changing this).

    When you support these arbitrary term-based bannings, you’re giving in to the social manipulation of pro-lifers who have successfully manipulated you into a compromise that supports their position.

    admiralteal ,

    Being pro-choice requires you accept abortion at any point is morally acceptable.

    It does not mean it is desirable. You can have a preference that an abortion late term not happen. It's just a preference for individuals to behave more charitably, after all. And you're free to institute policies that make it less likely to happen so long as those policies do not trample on an individual's ownership of their own body. For example, you can create financial incentives to complete the pregnancy -- cover the person's living and healthcare expenses or flat pay them to do it.

    It's telling that the "pro-life" types aren't out here advocating for these kinds of policies that prevent individuals from WANTING to have abortions. If they truly were concerned about murder, they'd be out there making education and contraception available and pregnancy care available and cheap. They'd be expanding things like TANF. All sorts of policies that are normally part of the agenda of the same people that tend to be pro-choice.

    citrixworkkbin ,

    wow, time sure is crazy, 28 weeks for 8 months, and then 24 weeks for the remaining 4

    admiralteal ,

    I wish people wouldn't talk about pregnancy in terms of months.

    40 weeks is at typical pregnancy. A nice, round, simple-to-remember number.

    28 weeks is a pregnancy in the 6th month, just as a matter of fact. 28 weeks is also basically the earliest you would ever call someone in the third trimester and is the earliest a pregnancy is typically thought to have the possibility of viability.

    admiralteal ,

    28 weeks is 6.2 months.

    SeaJ ,

    There are quite a few medical complications that can be found after the 20 week ban. It is possible she did not discover it until after that. The article does not give information on the circumstances.

    As for what she is being charged with, improper disposal of a body, that seems proper assuming there was some sort of biohazard issue.

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  • kescusay ,
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    Yep. Know why she did it? Desperation + living in a state that already made it hard to get abortions, but also doesn’t provide good prenatal care. Nebraska has one of the higher infant mortality rates in the country (though it still pales in comparison to Mississippi).

    theViscusOne ,

    You know why she did it?

    Draces ,

    Because she was 17 and desperate living in a shit hole state that doesn’t see her as a person?

    theViscusOne ,

    You know why she did it too.

    theViscusOne ,

    So you are certain?

    Draces ,

    Yes I am

    theViscusOne ,

    So happy to hear that you are certain.

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  • youthinkyouknowme ,

    Did this article hit a nerve on you or something? You’re spamming the thread and not even contributing with anything of value

    theViscusOne ,

    Celeste Burgess, now 19, pleaded guilty to illegally concealing human remains after she had an abortion when around 28 weeks pregnant, beyond the 20-week limit then set by Nebraska law.

    theViscusOne ,

    28 weeks is about 7 months.

    youthinkyouknowme ,

    Either a bot or someone being weird. Blocking just to be safe. Bye 👋

    theViscusOne ,

    Ok. 7 months abortion is not ok.

    Especially without a medical professional and then hiding the body.

    theViscusOne ,

    Th fact that this seems to be controversial worries me.

    hotdaniel ,

    Abortion should be completely legal at any trimester. That’s what it means to have a right to bodily autonomy. Pretending that abortion is murder, but not if it’s before some arbitrary trimester limit, makes a mockery of the pro-life position. If it’s murder or “wrong” after a certain week, then it’s murder before that time has passed too. Pro-lifers lie and say they want to “compromise”. They’ve successfully tricked the population into thinking term limits actually are humane, without you considering the arguments why we should or should not have them in the first place.

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  • hotdaniel ,

    Your uneducated opinion disgusts me. You trest women like slaves. Monstrous. Go read a book.

    theViscusOne ,

    If course I am a bot because you don’t agree with me.

    theViscusOne ,

    I don’t know you.

    FaelNum ,

    "In May, Burgess pleaded guilty to a felony charge of removing or concealing human skeletal remains."

    Yes, I think hiding and/or stealing human remains should remain a crime.

    theViscusOne ,

    This has always been a crime in the US.

    Third trimester. No.

    SeaJ ,

    You don’t know the circumstances because the article does not give them. Don’t be a fuck head. It is quite possible that there were medical complications that were discovered past 20 weeks.

    theViscusOne ,

    The circumstances are laid out.

    SeaJ ,

    The circumstances of why she sought an abortion so late are NOT laid out in this article.

    theViscusOne ,

    The circumstances of what she did are laid out. And they are disgusting.

    theViscusOne ,

    Celeste Burgess, now 19, pleaded guilty to illegally concealing human remains after she had an abortion when around 28 weeks pregnant, beyond the 20-week limit then set by Nebraska law.

    Kantiberl ,
    @Kantiberl@kbin.social avatar

    Then the doctors would have advised her on what to do. I doubt "take black market pills to force a stillbirth and then hide the body" were the doctors orders.

    SeaJ ,

    If abortion is banned after 20 weeks, a doctor cannot advise on abortion.

    solstice ,

    Would they really though? If there’s legislation in place that could cost a doctor their license or even put them in jail, then they wouldn’t be able to recommend that or do the procedure themselves. This is a huge part of the reason why there’s now a huge shortage of OB/Gyn doctors in red states, because they just can’t practice medicine with one arm tied behind their backs with these ridiculous laws all over the place.

    cbsnews.com/…/ob-gyn-shortage-roe-v-wade-abortion…

    MasterObee ,

    It is quite possible

    Sounds like you don’t know the circumstances. This is why we have a jury of our peers.

    theViscusOne ,

    I don’t know all of the facts. But the ones presented are enough.

    Rom ,
    @Rom@lemmy.world avatar

    They literally are not enough.

    hotdaniel ,

    It should not be a crime. The trimester is irrelevant. If the child had been born, it would have no right to anyone’s body. In the womb, it should have no right to someone’s body either. Pro-lifers have tricked you into arguing for unethical trimester-based bans. If it’s wrong to kill that baby after a certain number of weeks, it’s wrong to kill it before then too. To compromise, to allow abortion before a certain trimester but not after, is to make a mockery of the pro-life position, which says abortion is murder (but if you do it early you get a pass). There is nothing wrong with a late-term abortion compared to an early abortion. The child does not have a right to use someone without their consent.

    theViscusOne ,

    Your opinion is outside of both science and morality

    hotdaniel ,

    Your opinion is worth even less. Go get an education.

    Thekingoflorda ,
    @Thekingoflorda@lemmy.world avatar

    Seems like you wanted to actually argue something, so please expand on your comment by explaining why it’s outside both science and morality, otherwise you’re not really having a discussion.

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  • BombOmOm ,
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    Killing a baby at 28-weeks of pregnancy and hiding the body is illegal in the vast majority of the US, including in blue states.

    FizzlePopBerryTwist ,

    The actual crime she was nabbed for was illegally hiding human remains. Her mother who provided the abortion pills is the one actually going to be in a lot more trouble it sounds like.

    MasterObee ,

    “According to court documents, Celeste Burgess was in her third trimester of pregnancy when she consumed the abortion pills, making the procedure illegal as per Nebraska law.”

    I think this would be illegal in almost every western country.

    What would be revolting is if this wasn’t a crime. She then hid the “human remains.” I understand you’re probably pro-choice, but is this the hill you want to die on?

    People like you just read the headline and reaction as if you know the whole story?

    hotdaniel ,

    Abortion should be legal at any trimester, for any reason. No one has the right to use your body without your consent (unless Republicans succeed). Pretty sure that’s how it is in Canada.

    MasterObee ,

    Abortion should be legal at any trimester, for any reason.

    I disagree, but once again, almost any western nation disagrees with you.

    No one has the right to use your body without your consent

    There’s a decent argument bringing a life into this world by choice is consent.

    Pretty sure that’s how it is in Canada.

    Canada is one of the very few nations to decriminalize abortions totally.

    transmatrix ,

    Where is your evidence that “almost every western nation disagrees with you”? Because I’ve seen many polls that say otherwise.

    MasterObee ,

    The fact that almost every other western democratic nation has abortion policies more restrictive than most american states.

    Almost every single one has the limit under 14 weeks.

    Notable exceptions: Netherlands - 24 weeks Iceland - 22 weeks Sweden - 18 weeks

    None of these countries would permit an abortion at 28 weeks, let alone let her keep the babies remains.

    transmatrix ,

    You said disagree. Since when have laws been indicative of current public opinion?

    MasterObee ,

    The country as a whole has laws that disagree with it.

    The U.S. doesn’t permit honor killings, as a country we’re against it.

    In Iran, it’s legal, the country agrees with it.

    It’s not that hard to understand.

    perestroika , (edited )

    None of these countries would permit an abortion at 28 weeks, let alone let her keep the babies remains.

    The article sheds no light on why she needed a late-term abortion. If something is permissible and publicly funded, chances are a person gets it done early, in a clinic, without hesitation. In case of wanting an abortion, delay is harmful, having to travel, smuggle something or fear something (or gather money) is harmful. Also note: those countries have a separate schedule for normal and exceptional conditions. Which is generally not possible in a political environment that has banned abortion (some cities in Nebraska - yes, in the US, cities can regulate abortion, very strange for me). Some examples that I know of:

    Estonia:

    • under normal conditions, 12 weeks
    • under exceptional conditions, 22 weeks (risk to health, severe foetal disease, raising the child is prevented by health or sanity, the pregnant is under 15 or over 45)

    Finland:

    • under normal conditions, 12 weeks
    • under exceptional conditions, 20…24 weeks (foetal abnormality gives a limit of 24 weeks)

    Latvia:

    • under normal conditions, 12 weeks
    • for medical reasons, 22 weeks
    hotdaniel ,

    Great, so Canada got it right, and you’re obviously swinging the weight of “western nations” as if it has any relevance. What matters is what can be argued to be correct, and I’ve argued that using bodily autonomy. You’ve argued… You’re right because most western nations agree. Totally barbaric and ignorant of my argument, but that’s obvious. You completely misunderstand consent, but that’s not surprising. I was taught that consent can be withdrawn, but you imply like she has to sit there and take it if she consented originally. Bizarre view of consent you have.

    MasterObee ,

    Great, so Canada got it right

    No, they enacted a policy that you agree with. That doesn’t make it ‘right.’

    and you’re obviously swinging the weight of “western nations” as if it has any relevance.

    It does, we’re most comparable with other first world countries and specifically western countries. Pretty much in every comparable metric where we want to see how we’re doing, we compare it to first world european nations.

    What matters is what can be argued to be correct

    There is no ‘correct’ - just because you agree with it, doesn’t mean every single country needs to listen to you and enact policies you agree with. You have mad main character syndrome.

    Believe it or, people disagree with some of your opinions, and that doesn’t make them ‘wrong’

    hotdaniel ,

    Not anywhere in anything you said, do you actually argue why abortion should be legal or illegal. Not anywhere do you argue why we should or should not have inviolable bodily autonomy. You wrote a whole lot that says “most western countries agree, so that’s what I’m going with”. What a lazy, uneducated, uninformed opinion. If you have nothing useful to say, why are you replying? I gave reasons why I am pro-choice, any you are completely avoiding those.

    MasterObee ,

    do you actually argue why abortion should be legal or illegal.

    Because that’s not my argument, that’s what you want to argue.

    I’m simply stating that almost every single other western country, even ones that are much more liberal than the U.S., has laws restricting abortions in the scenario that this woman had an abortion. If the U.S. is a shithole 3rd world country because of this, those nations surely are as well.

    Nebraska’s abortion policy at this time was more liberal than europes, who we offten compare our policies to.

    I’m also arguing that just because you think a policy would be good, doesn’t make it ‘right’ for the other 7 billion people in the world.

    hotdaniel ,

    You’re arguing that you don’t have to argue. You’re the same guy I’m replying to from yesterday about this very topic. I’m laughing so hard that here you are spending all your energy taking about what most western countries do or do not do, but you STILL won’t argue for or against bodily autonomy, for or against abortion. You have no argument! You just want to talk about things that are completely irrelevant, like what policy has been decided. It’s irrelevant! Argue or admit you can’t justify what you believe. This is my 3rd reply to you and you never argue or justify anything, just more invitation to meaningless conversation.

    MasterObee ,

    You’re arguing that you don’t have to argue.

    My argument is that our abortion policies tend to be in line, or more liberal than many of the western countries the left looks up to.

    I’d be fine with a 12 week ban, that’s in much of western europe.

    hotdaniel ,

    I don’t care! This is exactly what I meant about conservative misdirection when YOU were CRYING yesterday about how everyone ridicules conservatives on reddit/lemmy. Ridiculous ideas deserve ridicule, by definition. You refuse to engage my argument because you have no response. So you argue ANYTHING else, you ask me to consider your own arguments, knowing you’ll trap and misdirect at every turn. Abortion should be legal because we should have a right to our own bodies. Ultimately, you don’t believe in this right, which is why you avoid the topic. If you want to know why I treat you like other conservatives, it’s because you act like other conservatives.

    Thekingoflorda ,
    @Thekingoflorda@lemmy.world avatar

    Please keep this discussion civil, per rule 1. Don’t personally attack people who don’t agree with you. Go to twitter if you want to do that.

    hotdaniel ,

    I don’t see how I’m personally attacking them, nor do I intend to. When I said they were crying, I was referencing their comment from yesterday. I want to attack their ideas, which do not need to be respected. I respect their right to have their opinion heard and that’s why I’ve repeatedly asked this user to argue the topic, as of yesterday. They will not. They also complained that they were unfairly persecuted, while they respond to threads like this one, asserting their opinion, arguing irrelevant topics, never engaging my position. I’d call them a troll but I think they’re sincere.

    tallwookie ,
    @tallwookie@lemmy.world avatar

    surprising really, Canada could use more citizens/a higher tax base. really, very few people in Canada, all told

    monobot ,

    Some people do it even years after birth, so there are always someone pushing it.

    Point is that “tour right To swing your fist ends just where my nose begins”

    At some point those cells become person wether that is after three months, nine months or nine years is up to debate. I think medical professionals are best equipment to advice us.

    I don’t believe you will find many doctors willing to do abortion in 7th month.

    hotdaniel ,

    You are arguing in favor of abortion when you say “your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins” I can’t believe you don’t see that. The principle says that we are generally free, but we don’t have the right to harm or infringe upon someone else. But, that’s exactly what’s happening when a woman is forced to give from her body to support a child. You are giving the child the right to swing their fist wherever, regardless of who it harms.

    The cells are a person from the very beginning. They are a person, and it is not wrong to abort them. It’s the most compassionate way to interpret our autonomy rights. The alternative is forced incubation.

    Triasha ,

    “(your) right To swing your fist ends just where my nose begins”

    Exactly, If you care so much transplant it into your uterus.

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  • hotdaniel ,

    See, you have to misrepresent my position, to try to defeat it. You should feel ashamed for the harm against women you’re perpetuating with your attitude, but you’re probably too ignorant to realize the impact of your own beliefs.

    Rom ,
    @Rom@lemmy.world avatar

    If it was easy to get an abortion earlier in the pregnancy when she wanted one, you would have a point. But you and I both know Republicans have made it next to impossible for women to get a legal abortion before whatever cutoff time have been mandated in law, especially in a deep-red shithole like Nebraska. When Republicans keep restricting access to legal abortions, things like this are going to happen. This is entirely a policy failure.

    MasterObee ,

    If

    You gotta make a series of bold assumptions to believe her only option was to get an abortion pill at 28 weeks and hold onto the babies remains.

    She had 20 weeks to get an abortion, which is more liberal than almost all progressive european countries.

    Rom ,
    @Rom@lemmy.world avatar

    Right because the GOP is famously known for making it easy to get an abortion, and definitely don’t defund abortion providers so that people have to drive for hours to get an abortion. I’m sure the odds are high she lives right next door to one of Nebraska’s three whole abortion clinics, you know?

    MasterObee ,

    I don’t know the exact scenario, only the facts presented in the article

    The woman had 20 weeks to get an abortion, instead she took an abortion pill at 28 weeks and held onto the babies remains.

    I’m sure during the 5 months, she could have found a day to drive and get an abortion if it was important to her.

    I do believe there should be more abortion clinics available, but have you ever lived in a rural state? The 3 are in the largest cities in the state, where nearly 50% of the population lives.

    Putting an abortion clinic in a town of 1,000 people doesn’t make sense for clinics. I think your disgust comes from your lack of understanding rural america.

    Rom ,
    @Rom@lemmy.world avatar

    Okay first of all the article doesn’t say “held onto the babies remains.” She plead guilty to removing or concealing human skeletal remains, which most likely means she buried it.

    I’m sure during the 5 months, she could have found a day to drive and get an abortion if it was important to her.

    See, that’s an assumption, not a fact presented in the article. You don’t know if she had access to a car, and public transportation in rural areas is known for being practically nonexistent. It’s possible she didn’t get an abortion sooner because she simply did not have the means to.

    Putting an abortion clinic in a town of 1,000 people doesn’t make sense for clinics. I think your disgust comes from your lack of understanding rural america.

    You realize places like Planned Parenthood don’t just perform abortions, right? They provide all kinds of other family planning and women’s healthcare services, which are useful for most women, not just those looking to get an abortion. It makes sense for them to be easily accessible to everyone. And GOP has been attacking Planned Parenthood for years specifically to make it harder for women to get abortions. What this woman went through is exactly the sort of thing that was inevitable when the Republican party attacks women’s rights.

    Triasha ,

    Hard dissagree. It’s wrong in Nebraska, wrong in Germany, and wrong everywhere else where the standard is some date before birth.

    MasterObee ,

    That’s fine, but that still makes the comment I’m responding to absurd.

    'revolting that this is now a ‘crime’ - it’s almost always been a crime in almost every civilized country for the last 200+ years.

    themeatbridge ,

    It’s not a crime in at least seven US states, and would not be prosecuted in at least 13 more because of the vague definition of viability.

    tallwookie ,
    @tallwookie@lemmy.world avatar

    regardless, it’s the law. if you want it changed, move to Nebraska, get residency, start a grassroots campaign, get elected to State government, and draft a bill into law.

    you’re free to do that, after all - self government is one of our many freedoms. many other countries don’t allow people to do anything about how the government works.

    sirmanleypower ,

    She wasn’t charged for the abortion, she was charged for hiding the remains. Did anyone read the article here?

    kescusay ,
    @kescusay@lemmy.world avatar

    Yes. I read the article. I know that already. The fact that she felt she had to do this is an indictment of Nebraska.

    kylie_kraft , in After Supreme Court immunity ruling, Biden draws sharp contrast with Trump on obeying rule of law

    Fuck that. Biden should make them regret this decision. If his candidacy is as DOA as everyone is pretending it is, then there’s no incentive to play by the rules. Move fast and break stuff and get some shit done for a change.

    Also,

    Biden, under intense pressure after his disastrous debate performance against Trump last week

    They just had to get it in there. Not a mention of Trump making shit up the whole time, or the raving lunatic shit he’s saying on the campaign trail. 90 minutes of Biden being low energy and it’s all over. “The other guy is too old, maybe we can do a little fascism. That will be OK, right?”

    Orbituary ,
    @Orbituary@lemmy.world avatar

    You have high hopes. Remember, you never know how far you can walk until you try to fly.

    SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

    Biden has the period between election and inauguration to get really weird if he loses.

    numbermess ,

    It’s crazy that this is the kind of shit we’re counting on now. It used to be the Guardrails and then it was the Wheels of Justice grinding exceedingly fine and now it’s Maybe Something Good Will Happen at the Last Minute

    SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

    I’m just saying with this ruling Biden could do something really weird in the transitional period and it probably would take the rest of his life to go to court for it.

    Wahots ,
    @Wahots@pawb.social avatar

    At this point, I’m hoping for an Iranian-style helicopter crash for Trump, Bannon and a few others, Harlan and Thomas get killed in a hurricane wile vacationing abroad, and the other conservative supreme court justices all get get incapacitated by some disease or something.

    If the entirety of the heritage foundation could get hit by a fridge-sized meteorite, that would be great.

    Audacious ,

    Insane that I have yet to see an article about trump lies during the debate. All I saw was Biben be replace bs articles.

    FiniteBanjo ,

    Breaking News: Bear shits in the woods.

    iAmTheTot ,

    Almost every article I saw posted following the debate touched on Trump’s falsehoods.

    But also, Trump lying is not news. He lied all the way to his 2016 win, and lied decades before that, and still lies now. Absolutely no one new is going to be convinced that he’s bad because he lies. If absolutely anyone is thinking of voting of Trump at this point, him lying is not going to be the deciding factor.

    Audacious ,

    I think it should be hammered to death because a person in power should not ever be allowed to get away with lying. I know morality isn’t in law, but it should be, IMO. The world is so fucked up in so many ways because no one puts morals in law.

    Guy_Fieris_Hair , (edited )

    Because Trump lies. It’s old news. There was no way that debate was going to play well for Biden. He had nothing to gain. People voting for Trump are voting for Trump, people not voting for Trump are either Voting for Biden or staying home. Biden has to convince people not to stay home, not convince people not to vote for Trump.

    The people that vote for Trump are people so sick of the current state of politics they want to burn it all down. Very few actually think he’s a great president. He’s a troll vote. Biden’s performance made more people want to watch the world burn.

    Zaktor ,

    There were plenty, some paired with Biden’s performance, some focused only on fact checking.

    Audacious ,

    Thanks for linking this. Nice to see at least one.

    JWBananas ,
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    morriscox ,

    Why did they put an image of Trump overlaying the list? People can’t read the full list.

    eran_morad ,

    No, not insane. 100% expected. This is the danger of electing an obligate serial liar. We have all been accustomed to his bullshitting. About the size of crowds, about how much money he has, about how fucking oppressed he is, about stolen this and unfair that, etc. No one has the energy to give a fuck anymore. It’s all old news.

    I fear the only way out of this is violence.

    some_guy ,

    Sorry, are you suggesting that the media is against Biden? Cause they’ve been for him for months. Any apprehension about his future prospects have nothing to do with Trump being a lying sack of shit. I won’t apologize for Biden sucking. I do like the idea of him turning the scotus ruling on them.

    ImADifferentBird ,
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    What media have you been looking at? The only thing I’ve seen about Biden for months has been about how he’s too old. And occasionally a bit about him supporting Israel, whether that’s presented in a positive or negative light.

    lost_faith ,

    Every time Biden had that “confused” look on his face during the debate, he was reacting to some absolute bullshit tRump had just said and the media turned it into “Biden confused”. Biden WAS low energy, what was trump on? It is also easier to spew bullshit, when there is ABSOLUTELY NO PUSH BACK, then it is to remember ACTUAL facts. Watching the follow up I felt like I was being gaslit on what I actually watched

    Reverendender , in Appeals Court Bails Trump Out of Having to Post Massive Fraud Bond

    YOU HAVE GOT TO BE FUCKING KIDDING ME

    ConditionOverload ,
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    The legal system is doing EVERYTHING it can to delay literally everything for this man, just so that election time will creep closer and closer and they can just say, “oh it’s too close to election time and we can’t just cancel a Presidential candidate in the midst of all this”.

    These exceptions will never be given to any normal citizen of the US, but when it’s this rich orange idiot, every rule in existence will bend.

    ObviouslyNotBanana ,
    @ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world avatar

    Tbf the law works both ways. They cannot drop the charges to give him favor in the elections either. After the elections however, if he’s the president…

    PugJesus ,
    @PugJesus@kbin.social avatar

    They cannot drop the charges to give him favor in the elections either.

    Doubt.

    The rule of law only matters when the law is enforced.

    ObviouslyNotBanana ,
    @ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world avatar

    My claim was according to the law, not whether the law would be followed or not.

    Icalasari ,

    May Trump and his VP pick both have fatal heart attacks late September/early October

    AbidanYre ,

    Tomorrow would also work. Or today.

    Icalasari ,

    I aim for Late September so the GoP are in a panic trying to replace him so late in the election season and eat themselves alive

    PlantDadManGuy ,

    Perhaps just a debilitating stroke, that cripples him into a wheelchair, and finally inhibits that disgusting portion of his brain that knows no shame, so is forced to finally realize the culmination of his life is an enormous steaming pile of corrupted bullshit.

    Cruxifux ,

    It’s pretty funny seeing his supporters and himself claim that the whole system is against him and that this is all some unfair witch hunt, and then turn around and see that he is constantly getting special treatment in the news.

    Mastengwe ,

    That’s how they justify his innocence. When a corrupt system exonerates a corrupt piece of shit, but you they to acknowledge the corruption in either-

    It’ll appear as if justice is being carried out and their corrupt piece of shit walks free.

    TranscendentalEmpire ,

    Yep, trump is not the only person on trial here. You can’t set a precedent that actually punishes financial fraud to the point where you can’t actually profit from it when you’re eventually caught.

    Trump isn’t the only real estate tycoon in NYC who has been fraudulently inflating the value of their assets. It would be uncomfortable for the judges to have to make a similar decision in the future to campaign donors.

    elbarto777 ,

    I actually thought something like this was going to happen, since it has happened before, per another comment I read earlier.

    Some corporations were told to post billions in appeals bonds, and in the end they were reduced to a fraction of it.

    So, while disappointing, I wasn’t completely surprised of this event.

    borari ,
    @borari@sh.itjust.works avatar

    I’m slightly less mad now that I know this has precedent. I’m still fucking furious that the only precedent I’ve heard about is corporations and Trump, since the law should be equally applied regardless of absolute amounts of money and I’m pretty sure that someone living in poverty isn’t going to get the same treatment for a $50k (or whatever is a proportional amount) judgement against them.

    Skullgrid ,
    @Skullgrid@lemmy.world avatar

    You had to have seen it coming.

    What was going to happen, he fails to post bond like any other schmuck and goes to jail?

    borari ,
    @borari@sh.itjust.works avatar

    That wasn’t what was at stake here. Trump was already found guilty, he wasn’t bonding out of pretrial detention he was having to post bond in order to appeal the ruling, which typically requires the person making the appeal to post a bind to make sure they don’t spend all their money fighting on appeal, just to lose the appeal and not have any money left to pay the original judgement.

    So my expectation was that yes, he would have to follow the same court rules as everyone else and put up the bond in order to appeal. While I do think we should get rid of requiring pretrial detention bond, I don’t necessarily see an issue with requiring pre-appeal bond. I don’t know, you don’t want to create a situation where you’re means testing the right to appeal, but you don’t want people to indefinitely delay enforcement of judgement against them or to allow them to spend away their ability to pay the judgement on appeals. Maybe forcing either the entirety of the judgement to be paid into a more traditional escrow account, or a payment plan for the judgement to be accepted and that paid into escrow, before an appeal can be started?

    Any way you cut it though, I can’t fault this chuckle fuck for playing the court game but I’m fucking incensed the court is enabling it.

    Skullgrid ,
    @Skullgrid@lemmy.world avatar

    Thanks for explaining more about the shitty us “justice” system

    PerogiBoi ,
    @PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca avatar

    The entire country is captured. Trumps reelection is almost guaranteed at this point.

    elbarto777 ,

    Shut up, propagandist. Go back to reddit.

    PerogiBoi ,
    @PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca avatar

    Hush urself lil lima bean we all know u work for big bean. Go back to Lima.

    elbarto777 ,

    Lol

    mynamesnotrick ,

    FUCKING SHIT. I SWEAR TO FUCK. CANT HE BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FUCKING EVER!?!? JUST THE CLASSIFIED FUCKING DOCUMENTS SITUATION SHOULD OF HAD HIS ASS IN JAIL LIKE DISCORD BRO. FUCK.

    FlyingSquid , in As his trans daughter struggles, a father pushes past his prejudice. ‘It was like a wake-up.’
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    “When it was my child, it just flipped a switch,” says Farr, who is suing the Platte County School District on Kansas City’s outskirts. “And it was like a wake-up.”

    I’m really happy for his daughter to have the support of her father like this, but it disgusts me that people like him don’t understand bigotry until it happens to someone they care about. And there are so many millions like him who will never encounter it happening to anyone they care about.

    anarchrist ,

    Yeah dude I’m usually against forced drugging but some people literally need to be tied down, fed molly, and made to watch Titanic or something to kickstart their empathy drives. Maybe Sophie’s Choice…idk I haven’t seen it because I have the opposite problem.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    They’d root for the iceberg and the Nazis. Because again, it wouldn’t be happening to anyone they care out. Of course, the biggest problem is the only person they care about is themselves. They’d have to go through a scenario like the first segment of Twilight Zone: The Movie if we would have even a hope of getting them to have any empathy.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twilight_Zone:_The_Movie#Se…

    anarchrist , (edited )

    That movie looks hella rad. Adding to the list.

    Edit: apparently this is basically a snuff film because the director got the lead and some kids killed via negligence. I’m gunna skip it, on second thought…

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    I hope you enjoy it. I always liked it, although some fans of the original show don’t.

    jeena ,
    @jeena@jemmy.jeena.net avatar

    That reminds me of this poem:

    
    <span style="color:#323232;">First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
    </span><span style="color:#323232;">     Because I was not a socialist.
    </span><span style="color:#323232;">
    </span><span style="color:#323232;">Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
    </span><span style="color:#323232;">     Because I was not a trade unionist.
    </span><span style="color:#323232;">
    </span><span style="color:#323232;">Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
    </span><span style="color:#323232;">     Because I was not a Jew.
    </span><span style="color:#323232;">
    </span><span style="color:#323232;">Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
    </span>
    

    en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Very much so. Except he’s one of the lucky ones because he’s white, cis, probably heterosexual and male, so no one will ever need to speak out for him.

    MagicShel ,

    It’s that privilege that obligates us to speak for others. Because even though I can’t speak from personal experience, I’m more likely to be listened to. So I do the best I can to speak for those who go unheard, imperfect as my understanding is.

    Nougat ,

    They'd root for ... the Nazis.

    This is not hyperbole. Lots of them are rooting for the Nazis right now.

    TommySalami ,

    I haven’t seen it because I have the opposite problem.

    I can relate to that. I’m one of those people who won’t even squash bugs, and even heavy-handed, poorly written emotional moments in movies can make me tear up because I’ll inevitably find something in there that speaks to me. Shits wild compared to my friends and family

    JoMiran ,
    @JoMiran@lemmy.ml avatar

    A little further down the article goes into more detail about his turn around.

    They bumped heads and argued, their relationship strained. In desperation, he turned to God, poring through the Bible, questioning teachings that he once took at face value that being transgender was an abomination. He prayed on it, too, replaying her childhood in his mind, seeing feminine qualities now that he had missed.

    Then it hit him. “She’s a girl.”

    “I got peace from God. Like, ‘This is how your daughter was born. I don’t make mistakes as God. So she was made this way. There’s a reason for it.’”

    Regardless of how he got there, I am glad he did. His daughter’s words say it best.

    “There was this electricity in me that was just, it felt like pure joy. Just seeing someone I thought would never support me, just being one of my biggest supporters,”

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    I didn’t even want to get into the fact that it was far from a flipped switch like he claims, that’s a whole other issue.

    JoMiran ,
    @JoMiran@lemmy.ml avatar

    I found that encouraging. I saw it as a man willing to fight everything he is at his core for his kid. If it had been a flip of a switch then all that would have told me is that him being a bigot was him just being an asshole for the sake of being an asshole and that he really didn’t care that much.

    tsonfeir ,
    @tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

    Good thing god told him it was ok. 🙄

    TranscendentalEmpire ,

    It would be nice if empathy was an inherent trait, but it’s not. I think the general state of the world is testimony to that fact. Good people are not born, they are made. Sometimes the world doesn’t get the opportunity to teach you that lesson, or maybe it happens late in life, but it’s a boon to the world whenever it happens.

    Likely anyone who holds empathy dear to their hearts has experienced this learned behavior, and benefited from it. To me this is melancholic, it just means that man probably never really experienced the real gift of empathy, at least not until later in life. And just based on his quotes, it does seem that he regrets that dearly.

    avidamoeba ,
    @avidamoeba@lemmy.ca avatar

    So the key is to convince the person was born this way. Then acceptance follows from “God does not make mistakes.” 🧠

    JoMiran ,
    @JoMiran@lemmy.ml avatar

    I was raised Catholic and was even sent to Catholic school, which of course means that I inevitably grew up to be a hardcore atheist with a dislike of organized religion. Personally, I don’t care what mental gymnastics a raging bigot has to make in order to learn care and compassion for those different from him, as long as they stick the landing.

    octopus_ink ,

    as long as they stick the landing.

    It sounds to me like his daughter needs to hope he doesn’t interpret God’s Word a third way one morning or she’ll be right back where she started.

    bobsuruncle ,

    They interpret their religion and their religious texts to ultimately support whatever opinion they want to be able to justify. He wanted to be able to accept and support his daughter so he found a way for his religion to let him do that.

    That’s the crux of the problem. Want to subjugate a group, no problem. want genital mutilation no worries. want to discriminate against a segment of the population, cool cool; I can make my god confirm every shitty thing I have in my heart. Luckily sometimes it works the other way.

    Silentiea ,
    @Silentiea@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    This. The worst part is that they are somehow convinced that’s not what they’re doing. That is how you get a pope who calls trans women “daughters of God” but also turns around and says “gender ideology” is “colonizing the family” or some other bs.

    Jimmycakes ,

    Yeah this isn’t heartwarming at all. I feel sorry for people like him.

    lennybird ,
    @lennybird@lemmy.world avatar

    A critical lack of empathy.

    jaemo ,

    Kin selection is a hell of a drug.

    samus12345 ,
    @samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

    Even worse are the people who don’t care when it happens to people they care about - they care about their hatred more.

    Silentiea ,
    @Silentiea@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Worse still is the people who convince themselves that they are caring only to somehow justify their queerphobia

    captainlezbian ,

    “I love you enough to force you back into the closet”

    Silentiea ,
    @Silentiea@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Enough to believe that you are broken rather than different in a way I’ve been told not to like.

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