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gramathy , in Feds alert judge to Trump’s ‘If you go after me, I’m coming after you!’ post

Trump never having been jailed for contempt is baffling

VanillaGorilla ,

I think you misspelled infuriating.

supercheesecake ,
@supercheesecake@aussie.zone avatar

Different rules for the rich and powerful.

What baffles me is his supporters all rage against stuff like this but don’t recognise their orange idol sits at the top of the pile.

KevonLooney ,

They’re not against it in principle. They want to be the one doing it. It’s others winning they object to.

PizzasDontWearCapes ,

They’re not against it in principle

Exactly, they have no principles just wins and losses against the other side where everything is a zero sum game

Veedem , in ‘Keep your filthy hands off Trump Tower!’: Trump begs fans to pay his $464m bond
@Veedem@lemmy.world avatar

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/caa7296b-00d6-4aa2-8392-23a8f33b0009.png

Robert Reich posted this the other day and I can’t help but think this is probably more accurate than anyone in the Trump org wants to admit.

KevonLooney ,

Don’t fool yourself into thinking Trump has no money. He does have money, he’s just lying about the amount.

The answer is probably very simple. He probably has enough assets to pledge them as collateral for a loan, but he doesn’t want to. He wants other people to pay instead. That’s how he always works and why no one in NYC will do business with him.

whereisk , (edited )

The fine becomes payable with interest if you lose the case on appeal, which is nearly inevitable.

So he may be able to post bond by collateralising assets but is he able to pay the fine when he inevitably loses the appeal?

Also bond loans are not free. That’s what he’s afraid of - singing off a building’s ownership to a bond holding company means it’s gone.

He’d rather fight the procedural slow-moving government instead of a company whose actual job is relieving people of assets all day long.

just_change_it ,

The answer is probably very simple. He probably has enough assets to pledge them as collateral for a loan, but he doesn’t want to. He wants other people to pay instead. That’s how he always works and why no one in NYC will do business with him.

Pretty much… why pay anything at all if you can get somebody else to do it.

He doesn’t want to pay for it. He doesn’t want to pay the loan fees. The rich have always factually been above the law and in this case there seems to be more than a few people who are willing to go along with just giving the guy stacks of cash. Even if someone offered him the full amount i’m guessing he would keep soliciting for donations for it to see what he could get out of it.

It’s business fraud 101 and he’s a master of it. He wouldn’t be where he was if he was stupid.

He’s also trying to sway public opinion to be on his side, it props up his campaign and is on message of being politically persecuted whether or not it’s true. It’s on message with the republican party’s “the democrats are the enemy” unification strategy too. If the judge backs down and asks for less or maybe even nothing at all then suddenly he’s off scot free until the appeal is done. Odds are the appeal would not increase the fines either.

n3m37h ,

During the deregulation era (70/80’s) lots of stupid people made millions. Having lots of money does not mean you’re smart. Donald is not smart just rich , and that may be a lie too.

AutistoMephisto , (edited )
@AutistoMephisto@lemmy.world avatar

He wants other people to pay instead.

His father bought like $3Million in chips from the Trump’s Castle Casino in Atlantic City when it started going under. Like, Fred Trump Sr. sent a chauffeur with a briefcase full of cash to buy $3M worth of chips, put them in the briefcase, and leave.

prole ,

Any value Trump may have is 100% on paper

aesthelete ,

While that’s likely true, on paper assets for very rich people equal out to cash whenever they feel like because instead of cashing out paper assets, you just borrow against them.

SPRUNT ,

Unless he’s already borrowed against them, which is seeming more and more likely.

aesthelete ,

Yeah that’s where the whole house of cards comes crumbling down hopefully.

As long as I’ve known about this guy I think I’ve known that he’s all about being over leveraged. He’s like the poster child for debt. He used to take bigly advantage of debt in his many bankrupcies too.

I have sometimes even thought that maybe he had the Fed lower rates in December 2019 / January 2020 just so he could take out more loans at lower rates.

prole ,

The Fed isn’t controlled by the US government, and the president doesn’t set interest rates.

aesthelete , (edited )

Sure, Trump definitely didn’t run a continual pressure campaign to get rate cuts in late 2019 that ultimately resulted in the Fed cutting rates two months from a worldwide economic crisis. They would’ve just done so of their own free accord as an absolutely independent body that aren’t at all indebted to the people who appoint them and keep them in their seats:

www.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN1VB1I1/

Fucking /s

Edit: Of course there are conventions of deference and independence, but those are conventions (a.k.a. things that a blowhard, wanton dictator in the office doesn’t actually give half a shit about).

billiam0202 ,

Alternatively, putting them up for collateral would require their real valuation to be assessed, which someone guilty of lying about their worth for sure wouldn’t want to be known.

RamblingPanda ,

I could imagine banks being suspicious after that trial as well.

billiam0202 ,

Hell, the NYAG would be interested, because just that fact would probably tank his appeal instantly.

“Your Honor, the value of the property Defendant put up as collateral for this appeal is less than the value of the property Defendant has claimed on his taxes and more than the value of the property the Defendant has claimed in various loan applications, and I need not remind the court they’re all the same property, therefore we move to dismiss this appeal because duh.”

RamblingPanda ,

“We both know it’s worth bigly more, your hones”

orbitz ,

That’s the real reason he’s scared now, it’ll be known how little he actually has in equity once the AG has to start selling them off.

I hope not, but I think there’s a strong possibility that Trump has a devil’s bargain available to get him the money but it’s almost worse than everyone knowing he’s pretty broke. Mean maybe not since that’s his whole charade, he pretty much kowtowed to Putin in front of cameras at Helsinki (think that’s the spot where he denied US intelligence agencie’s opinion) so here’s to hoping he’s actually going to have at least some comeuppance to his life of fraud.

bluewing ,

Meh, he would just sell it to the magas that all the other billionaires are lowballing the values to take advantage of him. And the new “low” valuations are just out to bankrupt him.

ThePantser , in Musk accused of selling $7.5 billion of Tesla stock before releasing disappointing sales data that plunged the share price to two-year low
@ThePantser@lemmy.world avatar

Isn’t that the definition of insider trading? Lock him up like Martha, she did way less and served time in a prison resort.

CraigeryTheKid ,

I need to look up how “insider trading” even works.

When you are the CEO, and you make decisions, and you own your own stock - wouldn’t everything you ever do be with insider info? It is just honor system pinky-promise to act in good faith? I mean that sounds super effective.

teletext ,

Normally you publicly say looong in advance, like at least half a year in advance, that you plan to sell this amount of shares at this point in time. No more, no less, not earlier, not later, no backsies.

Warl0k3 ,

Well no, there is backsies. You can rescind your intent to sell within a couple days. What most CEOs do is set up regular sells every month way in advance, then choose not to sell unless its opportune at the last minute. If that sounds like it completely defeats the purpose of the rule in the first place, yep! The system is rigged.

CleoTheWizard ,
@CleoTheWizard@lemmy.world avatar

Wouldn’t say completely. The notice of intent to sell is not there to prevent CEOs from selling when they want to, it’s to notify you that they could sell this much if they wanted to.

The purpose is just to say that you need to be prepared for a potential sale. If the CEO keeps backing out of a sale, that does hurt your ability to predict when they will but not how much they could sell and therefore how much those sales could potentially affect your investment.

All of that is strategic because otherwise investors could conceivably do the opposite and sell before the CEO is forced to sell and then buy his shares at a lower price. That would mean the stock would tank every time the CEO went to sell. The problem exists because most of the solutions are even worse

Warl0k3 ,

That’s a fair point, thank you! I was mostly commenting because that rule gets brought up every time someone talks about insider trading (and musk specifically) as a defense and it’s deeply irritating. It makes sense the rule is more about not hobbling CEO investment than insider trading since it really doesn’t do much to prevent the latter.

theneverfox ,

The problem exists because most of the solutions are even worse

Everything you said makes a lot of sense, but this drives it home… The stock market is so unbelievably ridiculous. It’s just unmanageable, it’s such a simple idea with such horrible effects it might be a great filter

Aurenkin ,

At my workplace we are only allowed to sell stocks within certain windows, usually it’s a brief period immediately after we publicly release earnings. I think for higher ups it’s even more restrictive.

NotMyOldRedditName ,

We had a 2 week window 2 or 3 days after earnings were released.

Edit: You could preschedule sales though like recurring once a month, but it wouldn’t take effect immediately. I can’t remember what the delay on that was, but it might have been starting after the next earnings?

EnderMB ,

I’ve known people at IC level sell outside of windows and barely get a mention. Some people have odd vesting schedules for things like RSU’s, so sometimes it’s unavoidable.

At higher levels, it’s locked down considerably. My old director said that he had to have a meeting to go through a sale of his stock, so that it could be approved to be out of a window of potential releases in the company outside of his own division. I imagine that at VP+ level you need accountants just to handle what is a few clicks for an average corp worker.

DogPeePoo ,

Felon Musk

Johanno ,

That’s only the 5th time he commits fraud. He has been at court several times because of his actions. It seems no one really wants to arrest him

jaybone ,

He should run for president. He can claim the long form version of his birth certificate says he was born in Hawaii.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

“Felonious Musk” might be a good nickname.

jaybone ,

I love how resort is tacked on there at the very end. Like you read it in a quiter voice.

lost_faith ,

Well, she did spend time in Club Fed

exanime ,

Yes but you see, he is a billionaire… Insider trading and other laws are for the pauper rich

xc2215x , in UFC star made more in 24 hours on OnlyFans than she did 'in her entire fighting career'

That says a lot about UFC.

Cato_the_Posadist ,

UFC pays like shit for all but the top talent.

Tbf, she was never at risk of being considered that so it doesn’t say that much about the pay scale vs OF.

TryingToEscapeTarkov ,

and thirsty dudes.

Konstant ,

They are loaded?

FrostyTrichs ,

Until they unload.

hh93 ,

And probably a bit about UFC fans, too

jeffw ,
@jeffw@lemmy.world avatar

One of the only major sports without a union

ChickenLadyLovesLife ,

I always say the NFL is the worst sport for athletes because their bodies get destroyed in return for relatively little money (at least for everybody except the superstars), but that’s because I always forget about the UFC.

MammyWhammy ,

Still though a practice squad player in the NFL is clearing $500k+ a season. So it’s at least a decent amount of money. Is it worth the future health problems with no pension? Not my decision, but at least it is an amount of money where there is a decision to be made.

MMA, Boxing, WWE… Haha go fuck yourself.

ChickenLadyLovesLife ,

Still though a practice squad player in the NFL is clearing $500k+ a season.

It seems practice squad players actually make a minimum of $12K per week or $216K per season. Still not that bad compared to conventional jobs, but it’s not like you can have a 40-year career doing that.

WashedOver ,
@WashedOver@lemmy.ca avatar

And with the effects on long term brain health they have been unraveling in the past few years its a no dawg from me thanks. Unfortunately I’ve already gone through my sports playing days so it was already a yeah dawg.

Raiderkev ,

Pretty sure they have a pension if you make it like 3 years iirc

David_Eight ,

Don’t most sports league have unions? At least all major sports in the USA have player unions.

jeffw ,
@jeffw@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, in the USA all the main ones do. Idk about less popular ones like lacrosse or even MLS though

Rakonat ,

And people wonder why all these teachers are ending up on onlyfans

Kushia ,
@Kushia@lemmy.ml avatar

It’s not like the profession has been treating them with any more respect anyway.

Tedesche ,

I don’t think so. If it was a male UFC fighter, he’d stand no chance of making as much money as her on a site like OnlyFans. And the UFC is pretty good about equal pay based on gender.

No, this is simply the newest iteration of one of the oldest truths in history: attractive women can milk desperate men for a king’s ransom any day of the week.

PM_ME_FEET_PICS ,

All work places are good about equal pay based on gender because they have to in the USA.

UnspecificGravity ,

Except sports.

PM_ME_FEET_PICS ,

Women and men are in different leagues and often hired by different organizers. The same is true with people hired in all forms of entertainment. Thier skill and demand judge thier wages.

Rhoeri ,
@Rhoeri@lemmy.world avatar

100% correct.

caboose2006 , in S.F. bakery won't serve cops, police union claims. Store says it's about the guns, not the cops

Last time I checked “Police Officer” wasn’t a protected class you little snowflakes.

tree ,

veteran status is though in a lot of cases so I would not be surprised if there was movement to take it in that direction

SulaymanF ,

Veterans can’t bring guns wherever they want either. There’s signs on every hospital in Ohio.

tree ,

I wouldn’t be surprised if groups are already trying to spin stuff like that as anti veteran discrimination, although this article says “armed and in uniform” implying by that language they would serve an unarmed cop in uniform, so I guess they just have to ask everyone in uniform if they have a gun or install a metal detector if they actually want to enforce it

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Or they could just guess and refuse to serve someone in a non-protected class as is their legal right.

tree ,

yeah but if they want to do that they have to say “no cops” not “no cops who are currently carrying guns”

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Why? They can refuse service to either. That’s 100% legal.

tree ,

I’m sure the cops can find a way to sue them if they don’t have it explicitly written down or will show up just to intimidate them at anything lesser than being asked not to be there, but we’ll see

FlyingSquid , (edited )
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

On what grounds? Again, you can refuse service to anyone for any reason as long as they are not a protected class as defined by the Civil Rights Act.

That means you can say “we refuse to serve people under 5’3” (amusement parks do this all the time) " or “we refuse to serve accountants” or “we refuse to serve people with tiny noses.” All of those are legal. There is no grounds for a lawsuit for any of them.

CaptainAniki ,

Cop isn’t a protected class. They have no standing.

tree ,

Until the next republican runs on making it one (or this case goes all the way up to the current supreme court), it’s not a stretch that they could become one given that veterans already are, I know they aren’t now, but that can change quickly

CaptainAniki ,

I don’t live in fear like you do.

mjhelto ,

First, any veteran worth their weight in salt know they aren’t some sort of Messiah for the people. Those of us that served, myself included, joined and did our jobs to protect others; family, friends, communities, and country. Only those veterans with selfish intentions would hold a private business in less regard for refusing service to anyone they are legally able to refuse service to.

Second, this is about uniformed police, not veterans. Those two things are not synonymous. Veterans, the ones I mentioned in the first paragraph, don’t feel the need to walk around with their dicks guns out to buy a bagel. I’m not sure if you are conflating them out of ignorance or a misunderstanding.

Shush ,

Maybe - and that would mean they will lose the case.

However, if they manage to drag it out for years and years, it’ll be a serious strain on the bakery owner’s financials. Assuming it is a small business and not a huge chain, it would have them struggling to keep up the cost of defense until that happens.

SCB ,

Nothing about being a veteran requires you to carry a gun around, or even be pro-gun-ownership

That some veterans are dumb is just a result of the military not valuing intelligence in privates, and being willing to recruit anyone who can run and do pushups and pullups.

HughJanus ,

People understandably want to support veterans but the reality is that the people who go into the military are usually dumb, toxic masculine men.

Piecemakers3Dprints ,
@Piecemakers3Dprints@lemmy.world avatar

Put down the pipe, son.

LillyPip ,

They’re not banning veterans though, right? Just guns. Unless veterans are literally guns, but I know plenty of vets that don’t want open carry or unrestricted guns, so I’d say vets aren’t actually guns, and therefore aren’t restricted by this business’s policy.

unmagical , in An 8-year-old girl was sucked into a swimming pool pipe at a Hilton hotel. The management company blamed her parents

Regardless of whether or not the parents were around the ability for a body to be forcibly pulled into the machinery is an obvious failure in operating a safe pool.

Wogi ,

It’s a failure on a number of levels, failure to maintain a safe pool, AND failure to maintain a safe working environment.

And honestly the employee refusing to review security footage until the police showed up when a child was missing with the fuck?

InternetCitizen2 ,

The kind of employee that asks “is this right for the company” before doing anything.

Yawweee877h444 ,

Yeah maybe but it could also be someone desparate in a shitty low pay job who is afraid of getting fired. Just saying, not enough info

ObviouslyNotBanana ,
@ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world avatar

Tbh I’d want to avoid being traumatised too

madcaesar ,

That just sounds like “I was only following orders!” a child is missing FFS, look at the footage and fuck the corporation.

kandoh ,

Yeah, even if you’re half starved and are certain the company will retaliate… That’s still a little child. You’ve got to take the hit.

user224 ,
@user224@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

I found more info here (news.com.au).
Also shows image of the pipe and:

“[It] appears right now the pump was put in there, and it was probably malfunctioning because of the open pipe that she ended up in was supposed to be pushing water out.”

lennybird , (edited )
@lennybird@lemmy.world avatar

Fuck sake that was a hard read. That poor mother. I can’t even comprehend the purpose of that pipe. They describe it as a lazy river so I’m assuming it’s some sort of equalizer pipe to the other side. Water flows in one direction around the pool and I think what they’re saying is the flow of the river was reversed for whatever reason. There would be quite a strong amount of suction through there, even if it wasn’t a direct intake line to the pump.

Edit: oh this is old news, months old. Looks like it was indeed an outlet:

“Her poor little body was contorted when she was sucked into this hole and pipe 20 feet back. Her body was inside of the motor when she had to be extracted," he said. "They had to break up concrete in order to extract her, cut pipe. It was absolutely horrific.”

Pump’s flow was reversed for whatever reason.

Elsewhere I read the pump actually did have an entrapment system engaged and shut off, but by the time she blocked the pipe and sensors detected the obstruction, she was already wedged 20 feet into the pipe.

Duamerthrax ,

This has been a known problem for decades. I remember watching videos about it on Discovery channel back when they still ran education content. One case, a person had their intestines sucked out.

The solution has always been to have multiple intakes for the suction line and have the kill switch in clear view of the pool.

Eatspancakes84 ,

Newer pools have the water intake all around the pool rather than a suction valve at the bottom/side.

Duamerthrax ,

You can also retrofit old pools with a wider, domed intake screens.

JudahBenHur ,

right? thats all this takes.

bitchkat ,

Did you read the one where a guy stuck is weiner in a pipe and it got stuck and then engorged.

brygphilomena ,

The delta-p videos are wild. The most popular being a crab sucked through a crack in a pipe, not a hole, but a crack no more than mm or two wide.

Rai ,
Omegamanthethird ,
@Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world avatar

I saw that on one of the Final Destination movies. I had no idea it could actually happen.

bcgm3 , (edited )

You can say that again. Growing up in Florida, I’ve been in a lot of swimming pools and water parks, and I have never seen anything like what is shown in the video attached to this article. That opening is huge. user224’s link says the pipe is 30cm (almost a foot) in diameter. Even in giant public pools I’ve been in, I can’t recall seeing an opening or fixture that size. That, coupled with a lack of any cover on it, seems so obviously dangerous. God, what an awful way to go.

lennybird , (edited )
@lennybird@lemmy.world avatar

Seems like litigation is still ongoing but most recent articles I’ve read state that pump was either recently repaired or replaced, and flow was in the wrong direction. If it was outflow, nobody could swim in there if they wanted to (but if it was off, a small child still could, so a grate still should’ve been on there). They suspect hole was installed later to probably align with flow requirements for the new pump.

Hobbes ,

My submechaniphobia is at an 11 right now, and this further confirms for me that’s it’s not really a phobia but a real legit fear.

Delta P: youtu.be/AEtbFm_CjE0?si=OYBw9OAxFPgxAM2m

ChicoSuave , in Kristi Noem defends killing her own puppy

She killed a puppy for acting like a puppy and scaring birds during a hunt. It was 14 months old and sounds like it had zero training. So she takes it to a gravel pit and shoots it. A puppy. For being excited by birds. And it wasn’t trained how to behave around birds.

And then she writes on Twitter that her autobiography has more stories that will upset the press. She is actually psychotic.

Neato ,
@Neato@ttrpg.network avatar

Animal cruelty. Why isn’t she charged?

Chocrates ,

Sounds like she did it a favour

🤮

jeffw OP ,
@jeffw@lemmy.world avatar

In that she spared it from a life of under an abusive owner? I literally have no idea wtf you’re trying to say and I’m trying to give you the benefit of the doubt

Crackhappy ,
@Crackhappy@lemmy.world avatar

You can do better. I believe in you. Figure it out.

Son_of_dad ,

Is that even a thing? In the u.s they treat dogs as property

WhatAmLemmy ,

Well they treat people like the property of corporations and the ruling class, so at least they’re consistent.

Confused_Emus ,

It depends on where you are. There are states and cities in the US that take animal cruelty very seriously.

Crackhappy ,
@Crackhappy@lemmy.world avatar

I live in the US. I treat my dogs as family.

Amaltheamannen ,

Do you “crate” them when you are away from home or sleeping? That American practice has always horrified me.

lolrightythen ,

I personally don’t, but some dogs love it. It’s their safe space.

Nelots ,

I’ve certainly never needed or wanted to crate a dog, my dogs sleep in bed with me every night. Some dogs are destructively anxious when alone and need it unfortunately. I only know one person who does crate their dog (their dog is like I described above), and they hate that they need to. It’s not as common as you think in my experience at least.

I’ll admit I wasn’t aware that was an American-only thing though.

Amaltheamannen ,

Its actually illegal to do so in Sweden.

FlyingSquid , (edited )
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I am also in the U.S. and I do treat my dogs as family and I do not crate them. However, the person you are replying to does not treat their dog as family. They think they do, but they don’t. They told a story on another thread on this governor about their own dog (which I initially misread) which included this part:

I thought about having the vet put him to “sleep” but I didn’t like that either. He didn’t deserve to be injected with strange drugs in a strange place by strangers. I chose to take him home, give him a rather large dose of xanax and smother him with my hand while telling him what an amazing boy he was.

lemmy.world/comment/9683664

That doesn’t sound like treating them as family to me.

Edit: Forgot the “not” up there. Kind of important.

SouthEndSunset ,

Apart from anything else, vets will come to your house for stuff like that. I’m going to tell myself that story is bollocks. We don’t deserve dogs.

M137 ,
@M137@lemmy.world avatar

What the fuck… Not only is this animal cruelty but it also shows the incredibly fucked up view that person has on what “family” means.

Yes, very much not all Americans are “bad” and it’s dumb to generalise like that, but man are they good at proving stereotypes and being completely ignorant of it. Both via the Internet and having known some Americans in real life, most of the time it doesn’t take long to discover how shitty they are.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

There are definitely some very shitty pet owners around. There’s a dog we walk ours by that is out all day on a wire lead whether its family is home or not and it’s constantly pulling on it and jumping around because it’s clearly full of energy that it can’t expend. I doubt it’s enough to call the humane society and have them do anything about it unfortunately.

Our two dogs are very well-loved. They sleep on the bed with us, get the food our vet recommends (a brand called Taste of the Wild) and we have a dog door so they can run around their big yard. I’ve had four dogs in my life and I’d like to think I’ve treated all of them as well as, if not more than, I could be expected to reasonably do so.

I sure as fuck would never smother one of them any more than I’d smother a relative dying of cancer.

bitchkat ,

My dogs have always been crate trained. Its not like they are in there all day. They ride in a crate in the car for their safety. They can go lay in it whenever they want. Some do, some don’t.

Lucidlethargy ,

This shows you have a fundamental ignorance of this subject matter. It’s not American practice, for starters, and it’s certainly not cruel if you’re doing it right.

p5yk0t1km1r4ge , (edited )
@p5yk0t1km1r4ge@lemmy.world avatar

Really? FYI, a dogs crate is where they feel safest when their humans are gone. It’s one thing if you crate them 24/7 but otherwise, no, it’s not a bad thing. Do some research before you jump into this debate choom, or you’re gonna get demolished.

Edit: and, for the record, my dogs both sleep with me. Only crated when me or my partner are both not home

Amaltheamannen ,

Why would a dog feel safe being locked into a cage compared to being free to roam the house and find a comfy spot?

Literally never heard of anyone doing that here, it would even be illegal.

p5yk0t1km1r4ge ,
@p5yk0t1km1r4ge@lemmy.world avatar

Google it if you’re curious. The science is there.

Nelots ,

I would imagine that if you’ve never heard of anybody doing that where you live, it’s a culture thing. Certain places have different practices on how they handle dogs. I want to stress though, much of the US doesn’t just do it because it’s simple and easy without any regard to the animal (at least not any good dog owners). To you, it may look like a prison, but to a dog properly crate trained, it’s more like a safe and comfy bed they can relax in. The positive effects crating can have on a dog is heavily backed by science, and I’d recommend looking into it, it’s actually kinda fascinating.

Of course, that all assumes it’s being done properly. Crates are a tool, and like any tool, they can be misused and abused. So it’s not always where they feel safest, it all depends on how you train them and certain issues a dog might have (claustrophobia, heavy anxiety, etc.). Generally, from what I understand, you never want to associate the crate with negative emotions or consequences (i.e. don’t send your dog to the crate as punishment). It’s supposed to be a safe place, not a jail cell.

iquanyin ,
@iquanyin@lemmy.world avatar

yes, it’s true, tons of books say it’s ok. my folks raised dogs, i’ve had a number of dogs myself. never crated them. until dogs can be interviewed, im team “lets don’t lock them up for hours all alone.” just because humans write books saying this and that doesn’t make it true. dr spock wrote books saying it was bad to hold babies when they cried. it’s not. science used to be near uninamous that animals and insects didn’t have emotions. then it was “emotions like we do.” now…it’s turning out they do. research isn’t the be-all and end-all.

iquanyin ,
@iquanyin@lemmy.world avatar

same.

Son_of_dad ,

Sadly your laws do not. They’re property according to law

Lucidlethargy ,

I think I understand what you’re saying here. Legally speaking, dogs are property here.

This said, obviously most Americans do not treat their dogs as such.

p5yk0t1km1r4ge ,
@p5yk0t1km1r4ge@lemmy.world avatar

Our dogs are our family, choom. Don’t mix it up like that, our country is already full of shitty things, but not that. This story is about a piece of human garbage who never should have gotten a puppy to begin with, but that’s not ALL of us.

Son_of_dad ,

No, don’t use your emotions, I simply stated a fact. In the u.s if I kill your dog, I am liable for property damages. That’s all the law sees your dogs as, that’s all police see your dogs as.

p5yk0t1km1r4ge ,
@p5yk0t1km1r4ge@lemmy.world avatar

Ok, annnnd…?

scoobford ,

Putting down a dog without a good reason isn’t animal cruelty most places if you put it down humanely.

This weird and gross and downright disturbing, but it isn’t animal cruelty unless she shot it in the stomach to watch it bleed out or something. Which honestly, she may have for all we know, she’s obviously unhinged or very, very dumb.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I’d still call it cruelty, especially the fact that she claimed she led it to the gravel pit. She called the puppy over and shot it.

Neato ,
@Neato@ttrpg.network avatar

Killing an animal because you don’t want it is animal cruelty. Maybe not legally but the laws rarely follow public morality.

If animals are in excess there are shelters and they have better ways than a gunshot in a gravel pit.

iquanyin ,
@iquanyin@lemmy.world avatar

it’s still early…

asteriskeverything , (edited )

Did I miss something? That was a shitty example to back up her angle that the dog was untrainable or whatever. The real “reason” was the puppy killed a bunch of the neighbor’s chickens. That is a fact, as in order of events. The motivation could be many other things, such as: not wanting the bad PR, trying to smooth things over with a neighbor, legitimate guilt/empathy/something for the neighbor losing their chickens as some families may be really attached to their chickens either emotionally and/or financially.

etc wow I don’t mind saying something that is unpopular but I very much do mind people thinking I’m defending animal cruelty or that I find it anything less than awful and heartless. I was questioning specifically what the comment said about killing a puppy FOR being a puppy. When I said the motivation could have been anything else, I meant she could have killed the puppy for any of those awful reasons too but I did not understand how killing chickens = being a puppy, which someone did kindly answer for me. Clearly I expressed myself very poorly.

veloxization , (edited )
@veloxization@yiffit.net avatar

The puppy was being trained for hunting. Meaning she killed her for doing exactly what she was being trained to do. Of course she wouldn’t know there are some animals she shouldn’t chase.

Oh, and this is not a one-off thing from Noem either. She also mentions shooting and killing a male goat for “chasing her kids”.

In any case, I worry when someone’s solution to completely fixable issues with other living beings is to just kill them.

bitchkat ,

Usually bird dogs aren’t killing anything. They retrieve the fowl after its been shot and they are trained to be gentle with the bird in their mouth. But that doesn’t excuse the shit stains behavior.

asteriskeverything ,

Ok duh, thank you! I wasn’t sure what I missed that makes this a puppy being killed for being a puppy so thank you for actually pointing out what I was missing. I couldn’t really make the connection to how it was a puppy specific thing, not defending it.

fawanen ,

Thanks for pointing out the facts.

Crazy how you’re being downvoted for telling the truth while he’s being upvoted for spreading a lie.

jeffw OP ,
@jeffw@lemmy.world avatar

Just to be clear…. On a bird hunting trip, the dog killed some birds… the wrong birds, but still birds. And that’s a reason to murder it?

Thorny_Insight ,

On the way home from the hunting trip, Noem writes that she stopped to talk to a family. Cricket got out of Noem’s truck and attacked and killed some of the family’s chickens, then bit the governor.

Also the purpose of a bird hunting dog is not to kill the birds but to help the hunter locate them, flush them out of their hideouts and retrieve them after they’ve been shot by the hunter.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

If you think any of those things is a reason to lead a puppy to a gravel pit and shoot it, I sincerely hope you don’t ever have any dogs you are responsible for.

datavoid ,

Where I’m from, most farmers with chickens would have shot the dog first. If your animal kills someone else’s livelihood, they are going to react poorly.

While its fucked to kill your own dog, this is a common reason to put down animals.

zazo ,

Putting down animals for misbehaving is fundamentally fucked and anyone who does it shouldn’t be allowed around animals - or as they say where you’re from - “While its fucked to kill your own kind, this is a common reason to put down animals.”

fawanen ,

People are forced to put down dogs who attack humans.

zazo ,

which also doesn’t feel justified…

Seleni ,

My old boss’s retriever dog killed a chicken once. He told her ‘no!’ very sternly, and taught her not to do that. She never killed a chicken again.

At least try training the animal first, for fuck’s sake

fawanen ,

Why are you mentioning this?

We’ve already established that isn’t true. She killed her dog because her dog killed her neighbor’s chickens.

I never said whether or not it was okay. Just trying to stick with the facts while lies are getting upvoted.

ImADifferentBird ,
@ImADifferentBird@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I mean, that’s exactly what jeffw said. The dog killed the wrong birds. And got shot for it.

There’s better ways to handle that than killing the animal in cold blood. Retrain it. Give it to someone else. Take it to the pound. You know, something other than calling it over to a gravel pit and shooting it in the fucking head.

Hobbes ,

The thing is she wasn’t sad to have to do it. She said she “hated” the puppy.

asteriskeverything ,

Yeah im really sorry, I was not in any way shape or form anywhere near that woman’s side but that was not clear. Thank you for being decent to me despite what your impression may have been.

eran_morad , in Joe Biden Is Arming Greece So Greece Can Arm Ukraine—And Pro-Russia Republicans Can’t Stop Him

Fuck the republican traitor filth.

ForestOrca , (edited )
@ForestOrca@kbin.social avatar

Pro-any other country than your own, and that you were elected to serve is traitorous. I'm not big on nation-states and all that stuff personally. And these folks very much are, so by their own definitions they are traitors. I am kind of amused by Sister City agreements, where cities share solutions, without any way to force the other to comply. It's down right friendly anarchism.

Zron ,

Did you forget to take some meds or something? This is incomprehensible.

pigup ,
doctorcrimson ,

I’ve seen it multiple times, seems like some sort of copy-pasta or maybe a bot?

vaultdweller013 ,

Looks like schizo-posting is back on the menu!

Danquebec ,

The first 3 sentences are actually coherent. The last 2 too. But the first 3 don’t belong with the last 2. It’s like they’re 2 different posts.

vaultdweller013 ,

Calling it a schitzo-post may have been a bit off, but I legit have no other words in my vocabulary to describe how weirdly off kilter their comment is. They went from some type of criticism of elected officials working with other countries only to skip over to an entirely different thing about sister city agreements. It just kinda is bizzare overall.

Though I sometimes pull the same shit, sleep deprivation and autism are a terrible combination when it comes to coherence.

barsoap ,

Schizo stuff tends to be coherent, it’s just that it’s coherent in a frame of reference that exactly one person in the world gets. On the far end of the spectrum people just don’t have enough computation capacity to take your frame of reference into account – not because of lower capacity, but because there’s too much shit on their plate at the same time: Effort is focussed on keeping one’s own thoughts at least half-way straight while the external world is secondary. Whereas on the functioning (yes I’m going to use that word) end of the spectrum you probably learn somewhere in school age that you need to slow your mind down and sprinkle in a couple of useful metaphors so the normies can understand. Dunno if my subconscious is less bubbly than that of full-on schizophrenics, or I have natural talent processing things better, or a knack acquired by sheer luck, or just better at not giving a fuck about some things, but it’s definitely also a skill that can and absolutely should be honed.

For the curious, the EASE scale should give a good impression of how it looks from the inside.

CosmicCleric ,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

Fuck the republican traitor filth.

Pro-any other country than your own, and that you were elected to serve is traitorous. I’m not big on nation-states and all that stuff personally. And these folks very much are, so by their own definitions they are traitors. I am kind of amused by Sister City agreements, where cities share solutions, without any way to force the other to comply. It’s down right friendly anarchism.

Looks like schizo-posting is back on the menu!

That’s got to be a bad AI bot in training, right?

CM400 , in Pizza Hut franchises in California lay off all delivery drivers ahead of $20 minimum wage increase

Pizza Hut made over $6 billion last year, you’d think they could afford to pay their drivers.

0110010001100010 ,
@0110010001100010@lemmy.world avatar

Of course the can pay their drivers but think of the poor shareholders who may see 0.1% less profit or the CEO who may get only 99% of their usual bonus. Oh the horror!!

kaitco ,
remotelove , (edited )

The Pizza Hut corporation will be fine. These are franchises we are talking about. The franchises pay an initial fee of $25k and then 6% + 4.75% sales/marketing fees to Pizza Hut.

It’s the owners of the franchises that are responsible for fucking over their employees. While Pizza Hut could reduce their fees, they won’t. Franchise owners could increase pay, but they won’t. It’s more likely that the franchise owners will offload deliveries to Uber and Door Dash and not have to worry about managing drivers anymore.

The entire model sucks, so I am not blaming franchise owners over the corporation. They are both at fault for relying on the extortion of teenagers or other people who don’t have extremely profitable job skills.

franchise.pizzahut.com/faqs/

Edit: Also, these aren’t one-off mom and pop franchise owners anymore. These are franchise owning conglomerates that likely have more negotiable franchise fees.

Albbi ,

Won’t offloading the delivery to those services cost even more? They take a pretty hefty cut of the sale. Last I heard it was around 30% of an order.

Jeff ,

They just offload it on consumers by raising the price of the food and the ever present tip feature.

So done with post Covid timeline here.

remotelove ,

At least where I live, delivery food is extremely expensive for that reason. Restaurants have two prices: one for walk-ins and the other for delivery that they show on the apps. The restaurant business (especially for independent owners) has cutthroat margins already so the customer is always going to pay the fees, one way or another.

eek2121 ,

They will likely make a deal with a delivery company, as they should. It is inefficient for every restaurant to have delivery drivers.

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

Pizza places have had delivery drivers for years, it’s not inefficient.

Ghostalmedia ,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

Technically it’s mega franchisees like Provender Capital Group’s “PacSun Pizza,” not PizzaHut that is going to be pocketing the cash from this move.

ColeSloth ,

There’s 19,000 pizza huts, but most all of them are franchises. It’s not “pizza hut” firing drivers over this. It’s franchise owners. Also, if you were to do some napkin math, 19,000 (I know. Just california, but that would hardly be fair to everyone else) pizza huts needing say…5 drivers each at 40 hours a week paid 20 means a cost of about 28 after insurance and such… that’d be 95 thousand drivers…$106,400,000 a week…$5,532,800,000 a year.

Shit gets expensive.

But face it. Delivery drivers make a lot in tips. People have been willing to do it using their own vehicles for decades while they make super low minimum wages. Making $20/ hour plus the tips will have the delivery guy out doing everyone else at the restaurant, which means their pay will have to go to like $35/hour which means a stupid pizza is gonna cost $30. Let uber eats handle the deliveries.

yacht_boy ,

Pizza in Boston delivered by door dash is routinely right about $30 before tip. My credit card offers free door dash premium whatever it’s called and I usually choose places offering a promo and tend to order early when there are also promos. That brings things down to the $20s. But it’s generally about $30 with tip even doing all that. If I’m not paying attention it’s easy to order a $45 pizza.

To be fair I don’t eat from pizza Hut or Dominos or other chains. Those might be a few percent cheaper.

ColeSloth ,

That’s half my point, though. You choosing to pay $30 through door dash or Uber eats is your choice. The restaurant isn’t charging way more for their pizzas because they have to pay everyone on staff a lot more. Delivery has been outsourced and so have the added costs that go along with it.

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

Are you figuring places only deliver one pizza an hour?

eek2121 ,

What card is that?

Spaceballstheusername ,

What pizza hut has 5 full time drivers? There’s only 1200 people affected by this and 560 locations so a little more than 2 per location. Now let’s look at the cost those delivery apps charge 30%. So if 35% of sales are deliveries now theyre paying Uber ~110k to deliver their pizzas. 28$/hr is high closer to 23-25$/hr for overhead. That’s roughly what the delivery drivers would have cost and now they’re getting way shittier delivery service and people are much less likely to buy pizza from them. Sounds like a dumb move.

ColeSloth ,

5 too many? I just figured there’d be like 2 delivery people at any given time and trying to have 3 on Friday and Saturday night.

But as to Uber, that’s the customers choice if they want to pay an arm and a leg to have pizza brought to their door. It won’t much effect the pizza hut. Store dedicated delivery drivers are a thing of the past now. They’ve been outsourced.

eek2121 ,

$20/hour is only part of employee compensation. It does not include benefits or taxes. Your employer pays a lot of taxes on your behalf.

Don’t even get me started on the money and time taken to recruit, hire, and train new employees.

Don’t misunderstand me. I support a higher minimum wage. I am a firm believer that minimum wage should be $25/hour and increases should be tied to inflation.

FutileRecipe ,

Don’t even get me started on the money and time taken to recruit, hire, and train new employees.

For delivery drivers?

Know how to drive? If not, next. Here’s the pizza. Put it on a flat surface in the vehicle, don’t throw or flip it. Use Google maps to get to the house. Hand it to the customer. Come back. Done.

CM400 ,

Your employer pays a lot of taxes on your behalf.

That’s money they would have paid you anyway, and you would have to pay in taxes. Your employer is not out any extra cash, they’re just saving you the trouble.

chitak166 ,

It’s all about maximizing profit.

Expending the least, while taking in the most.

ObviouslyNotBanana , in Supreme Court to decide whether to restrict abortion drug nationwide
@ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world avatar

I guess it wasn’t about states rights, guys.

WhatAmLemmy , (edited )

Lol. They’ve only ever used “states rights” like “small gubberment”; as a means to impose their will on the largest scale they currently hold power. As soon as they gain the upper hand and can impose their will via a higher government (or regulator) — such as imposing their will on local governments via state law, or imposing their will on states via federal law (or the EPA) — they don’t give it a second thought.

This is how fascists and authoritarians operate. They lie, because words mean nothing to them but a means to achieve authoritarian rule… They don’t stop at the national level either.

ObviouslyNotBanana ,
@ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world avatar

That was indeed the joke.

WhatAmLemmy ,

Indubitably!

tygerprints ,

In Utah, our legislature is so committed to rejecting the will of large government and their attempts to control what happens. And yet, the Utah legislature itself controls every single thing that happens in this state, and so long as everyone agrees with their ultra-conservative point of view, then everything is great in their view of things. So in the end, we end up being slaves to THEIR beliefs anyway, and the victim of their own form of big government interfering in everything in our lives here all the time.

tastysnacks ,

Multiple chicks at the same time. I get Mormonism.

rottingleaf ,

It’s year 2023 AD. You can have multiple chicks at the same time without Mormonism, if you can attract them, of course, and, eh, deliver on the attraction. And if you need official status, then contracts are a thing ; it may not be called “marriage” officially, but it’ll work.

HerbalGamer ,
@HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works avatar

Hilariously I am watching this video about that very topic right now: www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1OkK7P4bng

tygerprints ,

Exactly. That's what really makes a cult a "cult." The males get to sleep with as many underage females as they like. It's the same with every cult that's ever existed. If the sex part was removed, no man would even be interested in them.

Pat_Riot ,
@Pat_Riot@lemmy.today avatar

State’s Rights means slavery. That’s all it ever meant.

rottingleaf ,

CSA states’ declarations of secession, if I remember correctly, used the word “slaveholding” rather often to characterize CSA’s members.

There are some other differences in direction, so back then it really was to some extent about states’ rights, just as important as slavery or maybe a bit less. Which doesn’t change the point.

(Also - I was a stupid kid at some point with sympathies to confederates. Eh.)

Pat_Riot ,
@Pat_Riot@lemmy.today avatar

Like conservatives today, most of the men who fought and died for the Confederate states, were not a part of the ruling class they supported. They heard what they wanted to hear. They were convinced that the federal government was trying to take away their rights. They gave their own lives so a few rich men might continue to live by rich fucker rules. Men who owned other men. Men who didn’t give a damn about the common folk they sent to fight. It’s only ever been about the rights of the Few, the landowning slavers.

rottingleaf ,

Mostly yes, but let’s just say I think I understand Cherokee leaders which supported the Confederacy.

tygerprints ,

That's the reality of the world we live in. It's the whole point of George Orwell's "animal farm." The animals revolt and take over the farm for themselves, believing they can live in a more just world by equally dividing up the spoils and rights to everything among themselves. In the end though, one group of pigs believe they deserve a bigger slice of the pie than anyone else and commit violence to make sure they get it. It's inevitable. The few upper earners of our nation will always dominate and always get their way. There is no solution to it. That's life. And it always will be.

FlyingSquid , in Incumbent Democrat Who Voted to Ban Gender-Affirming Care in Texas Loses Primary
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Good. Fuck you and fuck off. The fact that you lost to a queer person is just icing on the cake.

Don’t call yourself a Democrat and be blatantly anti-trans. Of course you’re going to lose, you moron.

neidu2 ,

Here I was thinking “oh please tell me she didn’t lose to a regressive GOP tool” but seing who she actually lost to absolutely made my day.

forrgott ,

The keyword here is “Primary”; in a Primary election, you are running against one or more candidates from your own party, and if you win, your name goes onto the General ballot.

todd_bonzalez ,

Ah, so a regressive GOP tool might still win…

Alto ,
@Alto@kbin.social avatar

As someone else commented, the incumbent won their last election 87%-13% to a libertarian in a race where the GOP didn't run a candidate.

I don't think there's much risk of that, thankfully.

grue ,

Why the Hell was the Democrat in a district like that anything less than super-progressive to begin with?

Alto ,
@Alto@kbin.social avatar

That's a fantastic question

Boddhisatva ,

Stealth Republican. I can’t say this for sure but, since the district leans so far left that the Republicans didn’t even run a candidate last time, this individual probably just ran as a Democrat even though she intended to support Republican positions once elected. Campaign as if you have the same ideals as the voters, then turn coat once you’re sworn in. It’s been done before.

dethedrus ,

That just makes my day. Maybe even my whole week.

Piss off ye regressive in Democrat clothing.

vertigo3pc , in 'Suits' Was Streamed For 3 Billion Minutes on Netflix and the Writers Were Collectively Paid $3,000

As someone who works in the film and TV industry, let me go ahead and say whatever you do in America, whatever industry: you’re undervalued, underpaid, and your wealthy executives are getting fat on your hard work while you starve.

elscallr ,
@elscallr@lemmy.world avatar

As someone in America I’m not undervalued, underpaid, or starving. Maybe you should stick to speaking for your own industry.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Keep licking that boot.

elscallr ,
@elscallr@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t have to, I can afford my own

Kitikuru ,

Found the executive

RubberElectrons ,
@RubberElectrons@lemmy.world avatar

🤭 it’s funny because in my history of working in engineering, the guy (rarely gal) with this attitude is consistently the least effective or useful. I presume the same applies here, based on a number of factors you’ve politely lain before us all.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

The attitude of “fuck them, I got mine” is a good way to get people to hate you. I hope you’re okay with that.

AngryAnusHornets ,

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  • elscallr ,
    @elscallr@lemmy.world avatar

    I don’t really have issues there, either. I actually get in hot water if I don’t take at least 6 weeks of PTO a year, and the maximum is unlimited so long as my work gets done.

    Mdotaut801 ,

    Yeah right. Everything you’ve been saying has been absolute bullshit, elscallr.

    keef ,

    “Um actually 🤓 ☝️”

    Have some sense to not post something like this when you are aware of the plight of the average worker in America even if you are in the minority as a tech worker

    (I’m also a tech worker)

    tatterdemalion ,
    @tatterdemalion@programming.dev avatar

    Honestly even tech workers are not paid enough relative to executives. Shit is crazy out here.

    And then lawyers be making like $1mil a year.

    pomodoro_longbreak ,
    @pomodoro_longbreak@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Engineer here - we’re undervalued too. We just happen to have more clout in the workplace at the moment, and so more individual bargaining power. That can change on a dime, though.

    elscallr ,
    @elscallr@lemmy.world avatar

    If that changes I’ll figure out the new way. Wouldn’t be the first time, don’t figure it’s gonna be the last.

    phonyphanty ,

    What do you mean by the new way?

    MooseBoys ,

    It’s also just relative scaling. A Starbucks barista might make $40k/year while its CEO Laxman Narasimhan makes $15M/year. Meanwhile, a Google engineer might make $400k/year, but its CEO Sundar Pichai makes $225M/year. So while an engineer will earn way more than a barista, as a fraction of CEO pay, engineers often actually make less. Both are symptoms of worker exploitation. It just so happens that technology companies tend to make a lot more money than coffee companies.

    zephyreks ,

    If your CEO has money, you’re probably undervalued and underpaid. It’s how the incentive structure works.

    CaptFeather ,

    “I’m not struggling so therefore no one else is struggling”

    Are you for fucking real?

    tatterdemalion ,
    @tatterdemalion@programming.dev avatar

    That’s exactly the myopic thinking that put us in this situation, so you shouldn’t be surprised to find this person.

    SouthEndSunset ,

    The thing is, he doesnt necessarily earn a decent wage…thats the real kicker.

    danny ,

    Read the first comment though… it suggested that literally everyone is struggling

    vertigo3pc ,

    I only said people are starving because some are, and it’s avoidable. But everyone in America is grossly underpaid compared to executive pay and corporate wealth.

    CaptFeather ,

    It’s fucking hyperbole. Obviously not literally everyone is underpaid (such as but not limited to CEOs). Like, if ya make a comment like what I responded to it comes off as a snarky and you will get shit on for it.

    danny ,

    Ok but you attacked someone for saying that they personally aren’t suffering, even though they weren’t suggesting they speak for everyone either… unlike the other comment

    fibojoly ,

    And here we have the typical “Fuck you, I got mine” attitude. How lovely.

    HellAwaits ,

    Bootlicker confirmed

    HR_Pufnstuf ,

    Found the CEO…

    TruTollTroll ,
    @TruTollTroll@lemmy.world avatar

    Hahaha, 😅 uhh you most certainly are, buddy! Hate to burst your bubble and bring you back down to reality… I know you hate it when we take the binkiboot out of your mouth to let your breath for a second, but you got to give it up eventually… you’re too old for that now…

    gapbetweenus ,

    You spelled capitalism wrong. Social market economy makes it a bit better - but yeah earnings through work and capital gains are extremely off balance right now.

    Drusas , in Secret Service notified as Trump aide brags about 'causing innocent people to be arrested'

    Truly no level these people won't stoop to.

    UnderpantsWeevil ,
    @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

    Conservatives love SWATing

    Zink ,

    Punching down is like level 0 for them though. But I still agree with you.

    Coach , in California officer shoots and kills boy, 15, holding gardening tool

    Lacy said the family also reported that after the shooting, the family was forced out of the home while officers “rummaged through their house looking for any justification for shooting and killing Ryan”.

    Not a good look.

    girlfreddy ,
    @girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

    Yet it happens every fucking time. 😡

    Son_of_dad ,

    They don’t care how bad it looks cause they get away with it

    DigitalTraveler42 ,

    They constantly get away with it too, i wonder what the stat is for the amount of cops that get put away for misconduct like this versus the ones that don’t, it’s gotta be like 1 out of every 10/100/1000 or something similar.

    crossmr ,

    Probably should go watch the actual video: https://dailycaller.com/2024/03/11/ryan-gainer-video-deputy-fatally-shooting-15-year-old-boy-autism/?utm_source=ground.news&utm_medium=referral

    He's told to drop it, and literally chases the officer out of the house with it trying to kill him. Bodycam from 2 angles.

    laughterlaughter , (edited )

    Edit: Ok, I read the article. Yeah, him charging at the cop with that tool was a really bad move. I still think the situation could have been handled differently. Could have.

    Tasers, batons, or just run away. Diffuse the situation. Imagine a judge saying “You charged against a cop with a gardening tool? Sentenced to DEATH!”

    The boy didn’t get a fair trial. He was murdered with no justification.

    PriorityMotif ,
    @PriorityMotif@lemmy.world avatar

    That’s basically what their elected prosecutor will say, I’ve seen it a lot. They’ll say “he has a weapon and was committing a crime, so the shooting was justified.” That’s what they said when my local pd shot a kid in the back when he was running away. He hadn’t done anything but run away and was killed.

    Kalothar ,

    He was murdered, if you shoot someone in the back while they are fleeing you are a murderer.

    The cop that shot him is a murderer and a coward.

    PriorityMotif ,
    @PriorityMotif@lemmy.world avatar

    Yeah, and the states attorney started her excuses with “he was committing a crime” as if execution is the correct answer for running away from police.

    Thorny_Insight ,

    In this case it was the police that was fleeing and the person getting shot was chasing him with a raised gardening hoe. He could have shot him in the house the first moment he started approaching him. He didn’t. He told him to stop or they’ll shoot. He didn’t stop so the police started running away in order to avoid shooting him. He followed. Didn’t leave them much choice.

    RampantParanoia2365 ,

    He also could have just used the taser instead of the gun. The boy was, what, 150lbs?

    Jimmyeatsausage ,

    Being black adds 150 lbs of pure muscle and testosterone-fueled rage. Poor cop was basically facing a sword wielding grizzly bear.

    /s

    stringere ,

    Didn’t leave them much choice.

    Wrong. The murderer chose to shoot and kill the kid. That was the choice they made.

    They could have…just run away to a safe distance. But they chose to shoot and murder the kid.

    Could have tried to disarm them. Too risky? Run away.

    Stop making excuses for poorly trained thugs with guns killing unarmed citizens.

    Thorny_Insight ,

    The cop was literally running away when he shot him.

    stringere ,

    When I am running away from something to escape danger I do not do so facing the danger and aiming a gun.

    I guess you and that cop have a better method of running away from danger that somehow isn’t primarily concerned with increasing safety by maximizing distance from the danger?

    Thorny_Insight ,

    You suggesting running away indicated to me that you didn’t watch the video and thus don’t have a clear view of what actually happened there. If you did, then my bad.

    Knowing american cops, I wouldn’t be surprised if he was physically unable to outrun the guy.

    escaped_cruzader ,

    There was a video posted on reddit, where a cop got stabbed in the neck and died because he was slow to shoot, batons are worthless

    laughterlaughter ,

    lol batons aren’t worthless.

    escaped_cruzader ,

    I’ll believe you once you manage to out-fence an assailant with a sharp-edged weapon with your worthy baton

    laughterlaughter ,

    You never know! I may not be able to, but what if I may?

    It seems like you’re saying that batons are worthless for this situation, which may be true.

    But your original comment seemed more general, as in “batons are worthless [all the time],” which is not true.

    Moneo ,

    Edit: Ok, I read the article. Yeah, him charging at the cop with that tool was a really bad move. I still think the situation could have been handled differently. Could have.

    Police in other countries are constantly able to non-lethally subdue people wielding knives. Do not normalize this reaction.

    laughterlaughter ,

    Thanks. I’m really not normalizing this, though it’s a good suggestion for other readers.

    whoisearth ,
    @whoisearth@lemmy.ca avatar

    As a father of a child with Autism I feel I am more than adequately equipped to respond to this.

    I don’t think many, if any, neurotypical people understand how Autism can impact a person’s ability to process the world in a way that is deemed “normal”. This child may not be verbal, may have aggression issues, may have a learning disability, etc.

    The last thing that should have happened is someone pulling a gun.

    I cry thinking something like this could happen with my son. All it takes is one bad interaction with someone who has absolutely no experience with Autism and this can happen.

    For anyone reading this, do yourself a favour. Volunteer with autistic people. It could be at school or in the community but you all need to learn that Autism does not look like the doctor in The Good Doctor.

    escaped_cruzader ,

    I cry thinking something like this could happen with my son.

    Gotta prepare him for when he is antagonized

    My nephew is autistic, ODD and goes violent when going overboard

    The more he is antagonized young, the better he learns how to deal with it. He is getting much better at understanding himself and controlling himself in situations he wouldn’t have a few years ago

    crossmr ,

    He was attacking people and hurting people already. This isn't a situation where he was irritated and the corner and someone provoked him, he was already violent when the officer's arrived.

    octopus_ink ,

    I posted a similar comment before seeing your more eloquent reply. All I can say is you are 100% right about this:

    I don’t think many, if any, neurotypical people understand how Autism can impact a person’s ability to process the world in a way that is deemed “normal”. This child may not be verbal, may have aggression issues, may have a learning disability, etc.

    And the people who should MOST be aware of this? Those who we issue a gun and a badge.

    Moneo ,

    In Canada (afaik) cops rarely kill anyone who is not wielding a gun, this includes people out of their minds on drugs wielding knives. They are usually able to disarm and subdue the suspect by non-lethal means.

    The idea that a 15 year old kid running at a cop should be shot on sight is absolutely absurd and only normalized in the US, please reconsider your perspective.

    All that said cops still fucking suck in Canada and have a history of being racists and abusive.

    iegod ,
    Moneo ,

    I am 100% open to having my opinion changed, hense “afaik” and my last sentence. Sending me news articles proves nothing since my wording was ‘rarely’ not ‘never’.

    A quick google search shows that police in Canada killed 30% less people per capita (in 2022), so it seems our cops are a little bit less shitty but still pretty shitty.

    assassin_aragorn ,

    … So why didn’t the officers just fucking leave the house?! There’s no reason for them to stand their ground here. Retreat to safety and call for a crisis counselor and psychiatrist to come help. Call the boy’s parents.

    Fragile masculinity is why those pussy ass cops shot a kid. I hope it tortures them for the rest of their days. And I hope whenever they see a kid with autism from here on out, they’re forced to realize what they’ve done.

    crossmr ,

    The San Bernardino county sheriff’s department was responding to a 911 call on Saturday from a family reporting that a boy, identified as Ryan Gainer, was attacking his family at their home

    If you watch the actual video the sheriff goes into the house to find him and the teenager comes charging out trying to attack him. The officer did leave, he fled while telling him to stop. He didn't stop and continued to chase him with the weapon and he was shot.

    PopcornTin ,

    That’s why they shouldn’t call the cops when a person of color is involved. The police will just kill them.

    As ADA Krause said in the Rittenhouse trial said, “We all take a beating sometimes.”

    Rivalarrival ,

    Yeah, the family should have just let the kid kill them instead. Then he’d get all the psychological help he needed in prison.

    – You, probably.

    Rivalarrival ,

    The cop was literally running from the kid, while the kid was swinging his weapon. The cop certainly wasn’t “standing his ground”.

    mods_are_assholes ,

    He’s also autistic and a pig shouting at him probably didn’t even register as anything but a threat.

    octopus_ink , (edited )

    Father of an autistic teen here - very good chance that kid couldn’t even begin to understand that the police gun would not only harm him, but kill him dead.

    He possibly didn’t understand or was too deep into an autistic meltdown (overstimulated fight or flight response) by that point to possibly comply with the commands from the officer, and (looking at my own son as an example) I doubt that he comprehended the seriousness of wielding such a weapon at the cop or at anyone.

    My son knows he has to be careful with knives, and that he generally shouldn’t touch them unsupervised.

    Does he know he could hurt someone with it? Yes I think so.

    Does he know it’s even possible to stab someone to death with it? He doesn’t even have a concept of “dead” vs “asleep” and has never witnessed a wound that couldn’t be healed with a bandaid. Explaining these concepts in abstract is of very limited value with him.

    They need to send more cops, and with nonlethals less lethals, and try harder not to kill these kids - many of whom exist in a world that almost entirely works in a way they don’t understand, no matter how intelligent they may be otherwise.

    Elijah McClain

    Linden Cameron (not dead, but not for lack of trying)

    Ryan Gainer

    My list of “names of autistic kids shot or killed by cops” that I can list off without trying is slowly getting longer.

    As I always say - I can’t imagine more a of a nightmare than my son interacting with police while neither me nor my wife is present. I’d be less worried if he was playing in traffic. At least I can count on people driving down the street trying not to kill him. And that’s really sad because I wish I could count on the help of police if ever he would need it.

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    Saw body cam footage like that once. Guy is on the ground bleeding out and the cop is searching the car for the gun that will justify it. Guy was bleeding out because when asked for his ID reached for his wallet

    WarmSoda , in Trump’s Eldest Sister Found Dead in Her Manhattan Home

    Another one for the golf course.

    "He has no principles. None. None,” she said of Trump

    Glad she at least was human.

    lennybird ,
    @lennybird@lemmy.world avatar

    So sister and niece both know he’s a terrible person. If only his gullible followers could see…

    xkforce ,

    His followers like him because hes a terrible person not in spite of it.

    twisted28 ,

    They’re as selfish and terrible as him. Kindred spirits.

    Mamertine ,

    Yep, he’s willing to say the racist/sexist/anti glbt things the other Republicans are only willing to imply.

    JJROKCZ ,

    They’re both women, therefore his followers don’t give a shit what they say. They’d rather the women not speak

    logicbomb ,

    She said that on a taped conversation in private. The article said that she was a critic of his, but I’m not sure that she was a public critic of his.

    The point being, it’s not like Donald Trump doesn’t know that he’s done things that were wrong. For example, he knows it’s wrong to try to steal an election, because he’s constantly accusing other people of doing it. But he does know the truth, that it was he who was doing those things.

    A person shouldn’t be lauded for privately knowing there is a problem, but never doing anything about it.

    WarmSoda ,

    I don’t know anything about her other than what this article says. Lauded is a huge stretch.

    AbidanYre ,

    I’m not gonna lose too much sleep over an elderly woman not publicly criticizing her baby brother.

    shalafi , (edited )

    Here’s the thing I keep hammering about Trump; He’s eat up with Narcissistic Personality Disorder. That doesn’t mean “narcissist” in the way people have been slinging the word around for a decade+. It’s a real diagnosis with a real meaning.

    If you’ve ever been close to someone with NPD, you realize that they literally have no sense of personal culpability. They are literally unable to process an idea that says “you are wrong”.

    Trump isn’t purposefully hiding his “wrongness” from us, he can’t know he’s wrong. His brain can’t imagine such a thing.
    The “stolen” election for example; He did realize for a minute that he was beaten, plenty of evidence of what was said in that brief timespan. So we normal folks say, “Ah ha! Told you he was a liar!”

    But his brain reworked the thing, because being beaten, “wrong” to his mind, is not possible.

    You could hardly torture a confession out of the man, because to his mind, he has nothing to confess. His behavior is far more terrifying once you truly internalize that.

    Now add the beginnings of dementia to his extreme case of NPD. He’s basically a religious fanatic, and he’s his own god.

    Quexotic ,

    … And who doesn’t want a god-emperor? LOL

    HerrBeter ,

    The God emperor of mankind is supposed to be hyper intelligent, not a sick old seditionist with NPD - who frankly is somewhat mentally challenged

    Quexotic ,

    Potato tomato.

    logicbomb ,

    The point isn’t that he thinks he’s wrong, but that the things he’s done are things that he knows are wrong. He just believes he has some special right to do these things anyways.

    shalafi ,

    Nah, you walked past my point. Trump’s brain literally can’t conceive that he’s wrong, can’t know he’s wrong.

    It’s all so much more horrifying than people are making it out. People like you are putting themselves in his shoes and trying to think it out. His brain doesn’t work that way.

    he has some special right to do these things

    That’s his brain’s way of telling him he was never wrong to begin with.

    Waraugh ,

    It’s early hard to explain your point to someone that hasn’t recovered from narcissistic abuse. Even those in the thick of it, you can tell them what’s happening, they can intellectually understand, but they inevitably try to relate and discover excuses or reasons which completely misses the point of how someone with narcissistic abuse from someone that truly has NPD. It’s really a shame and I wish I had a good answer. Their are tons of articles and videos from experts that accurately and intellectually describe what you are attempting to explain but the point you are trying to drive home, which you are accurately and concisely stating, never seems to really sink in for folks in my experience.

    logicbomb ,

    Let me rephrase it, because despite my explaining it, you still haven’t understood.

    Would Trump think you broke the law if you took all of the money out of his wallet without his permission? Obviously yes. Would Trump think you broke the law if you took all of the money out of another person’s wallet without their permission? Probably yes. He understands the concept that stealing money is wrong. He just wouldn’t think it’s wrong if he took all of the money out of your wallet.

    I’ve been incredibly consistent in the way I’ve described this. Trump knows that the type of actions he’s performing are wrong. He just doesn’t believe they’re wrong when he’s performing them.

    iBaz ,

    Half-human, at best. She resigned her position as a federal judge after it was revealed she also committed tax fraud after their father passed.

    SheDiceToday ,

    Having the shame to resign puts her ahead of 99.99% of a certain group of people.

    iBaz ,

    Was it shame, or were there worse things waiting for her if sure didn’t resign?

    elbarto777 ,

    Worse like what, trying to overthrow the government?

    Or accepting lavish vacation packages from billionaires?

    ChaoticEntropy ,
    @ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk avatar

    They meant “worse things” as in consequences for her if she didn’t resign.

    Creat ,

    didn’t she resign cause she got caught, and likely was given no actual choice? Like “resign or be disbarred” or whatever the equivalent would be?

    AnalogyAddict ,

    Taking advantage of other people is pretty typically human.

    intensely_human ,

    More than we can say for even a single person in this entire comment thread, apparently.

    A man’s sister dies. What do you do?

    “Uh it depends is he my political enemy?”

    Cethin ,

    None of the Trump family are going to see this, and they’re a bunch of rich fucks who have exploited people all their lives. They don’t get pity. I wouldn’t shove it in their face, but they won’t see this so it doesn’t matter.

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