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WhoRoger , to showerthoughts in The dominance of cat content VS dog content on Lemmy reflects its current techie userbase
@WhoRoger@lemmy.world avatar

Are you saying that nerds don’t like going out, and can get too buried in their hobbies, so having a pet you need to walk several times a day is a no-go?

If you aren’t, well I am!

tentphone ,

I love walking and I do it every day, but I don’t want to have to do it.

ConTheLibrarian ,

I got a cat at 18 for the same reason I don’t want kids lmao. I like kids. I also like dogs. But I like leaving the house for more than 8 hours more and for that you need a cat.

glimse ,

“Everyone lives in apartments so no one has a yard to let their dog out in”

Odelay42 , to asklemmy in What occupation requires the most education/training only to be very low paid?

Teaching.

College degree mandatory, graduate degree preferred.

Yearly continuing education costs.

Out of pocket expenses for classroom materials.

Sometimes providing food for kids who don’t have it.

Famously low salaries and very long hours.

MajorMajormajormajor ,

Luckily, underfunding the education of the next generation won’t have any long lasting effects on society, right?

MonkeMischief ,

It creates:

  • Statistically, a constantly desperate hand-to-mouth workforce that must depend on employers to sustain their existence.
  • Armed forces signup incentives.
  • Easily-swayed consumers of products and services. (Run by those with access to nepotism and/or education, naturally.)
  • And easily manipulated voters.

Underfunding education and having people basically born into debt isn’t a neglectful oversight, it’s a deliberate strategy.

corsicanguppy ,

You maybe missed the sarcasm mark, but I admire your optimism that we’d all get the joke.

MajorMajormajormajor ,

Surely people on the internet are fair and reasonable, right? There couldn’t possibly be a downside to being sarcastic over posts?

sunzu ,

Ruling class is creating a disincentive for teachers

I am sure they think ai can do the job better.

krashmo ,

They’ve been paying teachers shit for way longer than AI has been around. AI can’t do much of anything better than people though.

scrubbles ,
@scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech avatar

Oh longer than that. Look at what party leads in wanting to defund education but fund private paid education. The same party who is voted in by the uneducated, who famously are lacking in critical thinking and reasoning skills.

It’s in their best interest to keep a low educated population who happily go to work and believe what they’re told.

echo ,

I am sure they think ai can do the job better.

No, they are convinced that the church will do the job better. (Better defined as producing a more compliant and conservative work force.)

ShepherdPie ,

Where I live, teachers are required to have Masters degrees and the starting wage for teachers is around $45k.

Mobilityfuture ,

Teachers are horrendously underpaid, but they need to stop complaining about the “hours”. It rings disingenuous to most who know the job.

Unless they are taking afterschool roles they work generally 8-3:00 with a potentially a few hours of work after for grading and lesson planning. This is along with numerous holidays / admin days during the school year.

I say this knowing personally a few teachers who complain about hours, and it seems to be a cultural thing not based in their reported real experiences.

The salary is shit, at least for non-senior roles in my state, but that is not a lot of hours relative to the average wage earner.

Odelay42 ,

You couldn’t be more wrong.

All my teacher friends wind up working 10 hour days on average.

They work during breaks.

They work during summer.

Good teachers don’t just show up for classroom time then disappear.

MarxMadness ,

Then factor in the hours you have to spend at a second job because your main job doesn’t pay a living wage.

Mobilityfuture ,

I know two teachers personally. This is not the case in my discussions with them and others. Maybe you can enlighten me on what does take 10 hours of time daily?

From speaking them they are absolutely not working from 8:0am - 6:00pm on every day.

Lesson plans are inherited from prior teachers and … yes continuously updated during the year but not at a major time cost every day. Grading takes a few hours for one day either on the weekend or in the evening.

And yes they complain about it constantly… it seems more a cultural thing. They also complain about other teachers complaining 🤣

I’m not touching the issue of summers off because yes that is a different thing, and yes it’s quite hard for them to get real employment.

Again salaries should be higher and support teachers not assuming they can work in the summer… but why conflate this with the daily hours ( which are frankly good as stated by those who I know in the profession as a reason they like and took the job)

MonkeMischief ,

Perhaps you misunderstand.

The hours are very high and the classroom time is only a small part of it.

The billed hours are extraordinarily low. :D

Warm and fuzzy feelings of inspiring the next generation are supposed to stand-in for actual wages in the USA.

Also better have plans to fill in that summer gap. I’m sure it’s not fun vaycay time for teachers like it is for a lot of the students.

feedum_sneedson ,

Ah yes, the “second paycheck”.

Mkengine ,

As a European, could you explain College degree, graduate, post graduate, etc. ? We have Bachelor’s and Master’s degree here, I thought we got that from you?

Zagorath , to science_memes in Children is bugs
@Zagorath@aussie.zone avatar

He probably should have been honest and upfront about it, but he also named their kid after something he obviously loves, and I think that’s great. If she loved the name before knowing its origin, she should love it even more for being associated with something that at least one parent thinks is beautiful.

Sweetpeaches69 , (edited )

The issue there is that she loved Moana. He thought she would get bullied for that name, so instead named her after a bug. He put his love for insects over his wife’s love, and tried to rationalize it to himself. But his rationalization doesn’t hold under the least bit of scrutiny, because more kids would tease her after being named after an insect than a Disney movie. The saving grace here is that the cicada doesn’t come up in Urban Dictionary (kids love that shit), and it comes up after the Brazilian municipality.

Overall, I’d say he is the butt head, but it’s not a huge deal.

PiJiNWiNg ,

Who is going to recognize that name as being after a bug though? Only people who they tell, lol

BillSchofield , to nostupidquestions in Sometimes when I say danke (thanks or thank you) some of my friends will say (and the spelling is wrong but it's as close as I can get) they will say danata or maybe it's dinata.

de nada

Spanish phrase

de na·​da dā-ˈnä-t͟hä

: of nothing : you’re welcome

bjoern_tantau ,
@bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de avatar

Or “bitteschön” in German.

lvxferre ,

Dunno how native speakers would do it, but usually I answer “bitte” for “danke”, “bitte schön” for “danke schön”.

Fun fact: saying “bitte” near my cat prompts her to rub her face on your leg. All the time. I speak in German with her, and when she obeys my commands I tell her “bitte” and pet her, so now she associated the word with being petted.

ReallyActuallyFrankenstein ,

Another fun fact: if you want to say “bitte schön” in Austrian German casual, you can just say “bitchin’.”

RizzRustbolt ,

If they “danke schön” me, I’ll usually respond with “darlin’”.

CiderApplenTea ,

I would translate it more closely to ‘keine Mühe’/‘keine Ursache’

amio ,

Do you happen to know why it's "keine Ursache"? That is a thing in Danish and Norwegian too ("ingen årsak") and I always thought it was a weird phrase.

exscape ,

Swedish too. I've always assumed the implicit meaning is roughly "there is [no reason] to thank me".

amio ,

That makes sense. For some reason, I thought it was something like "no reason to do what I did". So basically "Sure, totally no ulterior motives here, by the way!", which seemed kinda weird to me.

Ephera ,

Oder “nichts zu danken”.

lupec ,

Just as an additional tidbit, it’s the same in Portuguese as well!

lvxferre ,

[Additional tidbit]

Pronunciation-wise it’s typically different, although in a weird way - both languages allow some variation depending on the speaker’s variety, but they don’t coincide. For example in Portuguese you could get [dɨˑ’näðɐ̥ˑ], [de’nädɐ], [dʒi’nadɐ̥ˑ], depending on where the speaker is from, but AFAIK you won’t find Spanish-like [ð] without a completely “un-Spanish-like” vowel reduction. In the meantime I kind of expect some Caribbean Spanish speakers to render the expression as [de’nää] de na’a.

lupec ,

Very good point, in hindsight I should probably have clarified I was focusing on the written form when I replied

teft ,
@teft@lemmy.world avatar

I prefer the Colombian way of saying thanks.

“Con gusto”

It means “With pleasure”.

tastysnacks ,

Don’t touch my mustache

bruhduh , to piracy in I'm happy he did actually say it
@bruhduh@lemmy.world avatar

They need to get used to not being paid for their games

Kichae ,

Hah. Ubisoft execs think they should be paid whenever someone produces a Let’s Play with one of their games. They’re the horniest of the publishers with respect to game streaming.

They are beyond adament that they own your experiences. If they never see a piece of physical media again, they’ll still be upset that their old games are still playable without their say so.

kick_out_the_jams , (edited )

The push to live services, online DRM, microtransactions, DLC and other such things is because they have identified that there is more money to be made as a 'server operator' than a 'game developer.'

They don't really care about getting paid for the game, they'd rather give it away for free if they can make more money off controlling the servers.

tonyn ,

Exactly. This is only about finding the most effective way to suck the most amount of money from the gaming market.

bestusername , to asklemmy in What is something that definitely should not exist?
@bestusername@aussie.zone avatar

Tax exemption for religious organisations.

federalreverse ,

Could be worse, I guess. I live in a “secular” democracy that essentially collects members fees for the Catholic and Lutheran churches (and only those two!) via the federal income tax.

Appoxo ,
@Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Knew it was DE before I saw the instance domain.

captainjaneway ,
@captainjaneway@lemmy.world avatar

In Germany, state-recognized churches collect taxes from their members in order to finance their activities as well as wages. Everyone who is a member of an officially recognized religious group automatically gets a percentage of their monthly wage taken from their paycheck. Usually, this amounts to around 9% of income tax — with the exception of Bavaria and Baden-Württemberg, where the church tax amounts to 8%.

For native Germans, church tax is often automatically collected. Many Germans are baptized at a young age and thereby become members of a particular church, which means they pay taxes to that church when they begin to earn income as an adult.

If you’re a foreigner moving to Germany, you can declare your affiliation to a church when you register at your local citizen’s office.

9%? That’s absurd. Is there a way to remove yourself from this?

RandomlyRight ,

You can only resign from being part of the church, which many young people do once they see this on their first paycheck.

federalreverse ,

Is there a way to remove yourself from this?

Sure: There is a third box “no confession” next to “Catholic” and “Protestant” on the form. You can check that and those 9% remain with the state instead.

German secularism has a few more peculiarities. Many charitable organizations e.g. running hospitals or institutions caring for the homeless, elderly, and disabled are in fact religious (Diakonie, Johanniter, Caritas, Stadtmission, …). This has some unfortunate effects: They often hire people of Christian faith only, meaning atheists or adherents of other religions are mostly excluded at these organizations. There have also been cases of a doctor at a Christian-run hospital denying the abortion because of their faith – despite abortion being legal here. However, much of the money these organizations receive is in fact public money, supposedly spent on serving the public. Another wrinkle is that Religious Law is used when it comes to e.g. prosecuting rape cases involving priests etc. Somehow, this separate system of law that doesn’t really seem to work particularly well is accepted by the German state.

wgbirne ,

Just want to clarify: It is 9% of the income tax, not 9% of the income. Still too high, but not as absurd as some people may think after reading this incorrectly. I know some people who thought that it is 9% of the income although they were paying church tax for years…

captainjaneway ,
@captainjaneway@lemmy.world avatar

Honestly I didn’t realize that. That does make it a bit more reasonable but it’s still a lot of the income tax. But the other explanations I’ve read sort of make it make sense. Churches were the original social services for the needy and Germany basically coopted the model into their tax system - rather than tearing down religious hospitals or making them private.

I get it, but it’s also weird!

PP_BOY_ ,
@PP_BOY_@lemmy.world avatar

Taxing religious organizations gives them official representation in government affairs which is just as bad, if not worse.

Fisk400 ,

Definitely not how that works. All companies are taxed and they don’t get any special representation outside lobbying that they were going to do either way and churches do in fact put a lot of the money they should have payed in taxes into lobbying.

PP_BOY_ ,
@PP_BOY_@lemmy.world avatar

companies don’t get any special representation

Lmao

mateomaui ,

To some degree, agreed, but your original assertion is still wrong. Unless you count all the devoutly religious people in Congress, and they already have that representation.

ivanafterall ,
@ivanafterall@kbin.social avatar

Their paying taxes is not what gets them special treatment.

themeatbridge ,

No, but well-connected companies use regulatory capture to structure taxes as a burden on their competition.

Consider for a moment how churches would be taxed. Maybe they are taxed on their assets. That would disproportionately affect larger churches with valuable real estate holdings, like the Catholic and Mormon churches. Maybe the donations they receive are taxed. That disadvantages newer churches which don’t have corporate investments or endowments. Tax land? Hurt cemeteries. Tax salaries? Favor Quaker meeting houses where there is no specific pastor.

Look, I don’t think churches should be involved in politics. Any that donate to candidates or endorse a party should lose their tax exempt status, because they are no longer churches. But a blanket removal of all tax exemptions for religious organizations is a threat to religious freedom. It would allow the religious leaders in government to play favorites and pick winners, kind of like they do now already.

originalucifer ,
@originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com avatar

yes, freedom of religion can only exist with in perpetuity tax free landownership

hahaha

themeatbridge ,

Is that what I said?

Tax code is applied by politicians. Do you really expect Christian Conservatives to fairly tax Muslims and Sikhs and Hindus at the same rates as their own churches? Freedom of Religion cannot exist when political leaders are able to tax competing religions into oblivion.

themeatbridge ,

You don’t think certain companies get favorable treatment via tax code and lobbying?

Deceptichum ,
@Deceptichum@kbin.social avatar

I think certain companies don’t pay any taxes at all.

givesomefucks ,

Please elaborate…

Like, do you think McDonald’s as a corporation gets to vote?

Do you think priests and preachers don’t get to vote now?

Touching_Grass ,

I’m guessing the way its suppose to work is tax exemption means you should apolitical like a think tank lol

kent_eh ,

Not taxing them hasn’t kept their fingers out of the American government.

Far from it.

Hell, the current speaker is trying to convince everyone that the government was always intended to be based on religious dogma.

gilgameth ,

Or better yet, religious organizations.

LilDestructiveSheep , to asklemmy in Where are all of the reddit refugees these days?
@LilDestructiveSheep@lemmy.world avatar

Lots are here. I joined a while ago on a different server and the content was slow. But by now it’s like always fresh content.

I can tell you the traffic rose up.

Papanca ,

A few months ago, there were quite some people urging everyone to actively post and comment, to make the communities more lively and engaging.

chrisphero ,

I always remind myself to do this… Interesting post but no comments? Just add the first comment and a conversation will start - for me at least, there was always somebody commenting.

Risk ,

Yup. We have to be the content we want to see.

redballooon ,

Does that also apply to porn consumers?

OccamsTeapot ,

PLEASE GOD NO

autumn ,

Why else would smutty fanart/fanfic exist? 😏

DoucheBagMcSwag ,

Nah we upvote that shit and stay silent, 300 upvotes and zero comments

Papanca ,

I really try to make an effort to contribute. I sometimes still find it a bit uncomfortable - i remember the harsh ways people got called out/downvoted/got incredibly unkind replies on reddit-, but i try to do it anyway, if i feel i have something to contribute/something kind to say/have a question

LilDestructiveSheep ,
@LilDestructiveSheep@lemmy.world avatar

Got ya. You can’t make people always agree with you. Sometimes your opinion is just unpopular. But it is important to speak with each other in a proper manner. Maybe we learn from each other.

Never go the way of people pleasing. Be kind and you will receive it.

can ,

I do this all the time. Even if my comment isn’t substantial it lowers the barrier to entry for others.

devious ,

I am no longer a Reddit refugee, I am a Lemmy citizen!

LilDestructiveSheep ,
@LilDestructiveSheep@lemmy.world avatar

Feel you. This is my home now.

electrogamerman ,

You need to go to the immigration office

jopepa ,

Same I still haven’t found an app that scratches the itch like baconreader did but a lot of these communities have finally found a strong footing

theneverfox ,
@theneverfox@pawb.social avatar

I decided to make my own, I’ve had to switch to paying things, but I’m going to get started back on Luna soon. If you’re willing to give me feedback and describe in great detail what you want, chances are it’ll get added into the next version

jopepa ,

Thanks, I’m sure there are other things I can’t quite articulate because you don’t know what you’ve got til it’s gone problem, but here’s two that stick out for me. I miss sorting by controversial it’s interesting to see where the polarizing conversations are happening. On an interface side, there was a way to swipe towards the top of the post to switch to the next post on whatever page was populating posts so for example I were on the front page and see posts 1, 2, and 3 if I opened post 2 all of the comments would populate underneath it if I scrolled down into the comments I could swipe right at varying degrees to upvote and downvote or swipe left to reply, report, etc but if I ever drag right to left from the head of the post it would shift over from post 2 to post 3 or left to right to shift over to post 1 it made it really easy to see larger pictures, post details, and if there’s much activity while still being able to navigate through the communities without losing my place because of refreshing or scrolling back up when I go back to the community page, homepage, etc. I hope that helps. Thanks for the effort let me know when your app goes online.

theneverfox ,
@theneverfox@pawb.social avatar

So honestly I hate the comment swiping interface, I know what you’re talking about though. I’ll put it on the list for an option but it’s going to be low since I find it to be bad UX - to me, swiping should be to change something on your screen.

The swiping between posts sounds like a great idea though, that’ll almost definitely be in the next version

And sorting? Custom sorts and feeds are like my main design goal, that’ll definitely be in there

The other thing is saving your place - that was my biggest complaint personally. You can already click on anything to see more about it and go back without losing your place

You can even change accounts or sorting methods and go back to where you were - I’m playing with making that more intuitive though, I disabled it for the current version because it was awkward

I’ll save your post and ping you for the next big update

jopepa ,

Thanks and good luck

ominouslemon ,

globally, traffic actually went down. Somebody posted some data a while ago and it was very clear. I would not worry about it (I think to a certain extent it’s physiological), by still

can ,

Traffic or active users? Because I have a few accts I no longer use which would look like a loss of users but I’m still here.

ominouslemon ,

You’re right, the stats I saw were not about traffic

Vlhacs , to asklemmy in What’s one word to prove you lived trough the 90’s?

Waaazzzaaaap

krnl386 ,
@krnl386@lemmy.ca avatar

Hahaha that’s the first thing that popped in my mind! 😂

Krulsprietje OP ,

Here in the Netherlands I never heard of it!

scroll_responsibly ,
@scroll_responsibly@lemmy.sdf.org avatar
PipedLinkBot ,

Here is an alternative Piped link(s): piped.video/watch?v=JJmqCKtJnxM

Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.

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Krulsprietje OP ,

Rad! Thanks :)

Starb3an ,

Watskeburt?

Krulsprietje OP ,

Waaaatsgebeuuurrrd!

dylanmorgan ,

That ad campaign started in 99, its really more of a 2000’s thing.

Vlhacs ,

Ya, but it proves I lived through the 90’s 😆

JackbyDev ,

The 90s were from 1995 to 2005. That’s just my opinion. I know it sounds dumb. Many things from 1990 to 1994 feel like the 80’s.

ToyDork ,
@ToyDork@lemmy.zip avatar

That’s the Y2K “lost decade” speaking to you; 1990-1996 was the early 90s, Y2K from 1997 to 2003, and the McBling 00s from 2004 to 2008. I have reason to believe cultural decades started as decades, yet were upended by 1945-65 being The 50s but 1965-69 being the 60s and never been quite on schedule since.

Since the 60s were barely 5 years, there was - apparently - a subtle difference between the early and late 70s, a noticeable difference between the early and late 1980s, and a pronounced difference between 1990, 1994 and 1999. By 2004 a fashion lasted 5 years at best, and 2008 has hardly been a similar year to 2013 or 2019 or 2023.

Phen ,

Outside of America, this is interpreted as a reference to Scary Movie instead of the budweiser ad.

Sjoerd1993 ,

As a European, that’s indeed how I interpreted this.

NettoHikari , to showerthoughts in When you're a kid, you don't realize you're also watching your mom and dad grow up.
@NettoHikari@social.fossware.space avatar

As a dad, I think about this fact so much.

I still feel just like a kid with no clue about everything, but I still have to do stuff, because I’m responsible for my own kids now.

MindfuckRocketship ,

I’m almost 40 and still feel this way. My kids are 15 and 7.

RQG ,
@RQG@lemmy.world avatar

I feel the same way often. And the kids look up to me with the absolute confidence and trust that their dad knows what he’s doing and will know what to do when they have trouble. I know that’s how it should be so they can be children. But at the same time I know it’s just not true and I’m just winging it.

unerds ,

my kids have a pretty good grasp that i’m also just finding my way in the world, and that it’s okay.

i feel like, anyone who comes across as though they have it all figured out are likely just unaware that the catalyst that brings it all crashing down is never really THAT far away.

BornVolcano ,

Yeah, there’s a balance of “I’m not perfect, but I will always be here to look out for you” that has to be struck. Too far one way and the moment you break, the kids are gonna be scared and confused at what’s happening. And too far the other puts the responsibility on the child to take on a parent role (and believe me when I say that fucks you up)

constantokra ,

You need to be a little more generous to yourself, friend. Compared to a kid, you do know what you’re doing, and thankfully kid troubles are mostly not a big deal, so you probably will know what to do. From a certain point of view.

Dran_Arcana ,

Do you think there is value in teaching kids, from a young age, that their parents are not infallible? If not, why? If so, how would you teach that to a kid in a way they would understand and incorporate?

BornVolcano ,

I think kids come to learn this on their own. But at the same time, normalizing being open about emotions is a good thing, to help promote an environment where saying “I’m okay, I’m just having a rough day today” is something that’s just normal.

But there’s a sense of security to parents being infallible that can be dangerous to break. I lost that feeling with my mother when I was five, in a pretty major way to be fair, and for the next few years I had nightmares about everyone I loved dying and I wouldn’t be able to stop them. Kids are powerless to the world around them in a lot of ways, and rely on adults to protect them and teach them how to protect themselves. So by seeing your parents as able to get through anything, you have a sense of safety at home.

So basically, normalize small challenges and openings to not be perfect, but be trying your best. Allow being human. But make sure the kid knows that no matter what, you will make sure both you and them are okay. Normalize the bumps in the road, and always reaching the end alright.

ICastFist ,
@ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

Not the person above, but I think it’s very important to teach that parents aren’t infallible or all-knowing. Everyone makes mistakes, even the people we base ourselves off so much. Admitting mistakes and saying you’re sorry to your kid when you’re actually wrong can help build their humility

Besides, kids tend to repeat and emulate their parents’ styles when they have their own kids

theneverfox ,
@theneverfox@pawb.social avatar

My parents failed me a lot. My childhood sucked, and because of that I go through life numb.

I couldn’t even start to heal until I realized my parents are people. Flawed people. The first time my mom came to me for reassurance, I understood the insecure woman that was doing her best and putting up a strong front.

The time my dad opened up and almost apologized for what was so obviously the wrong thing, I saw a man who isn’t unwilling to acknowledge his failings, he’s fundamentally unable to recognize them.

There are no adults, we’re all just children putting up a front. It makes you feel safe to think the people in control of us are competent… If you like how things are. Otherwise, it’s like living under a cruel god

Understanding they’re people doing the best they can makes you feel a hell of a lot less alone when things aren’t good

Believing your parents are infallible is good for one thing - equating belief in authority with safety. It doesn’t make them happier or better equipped to actually handle the world - it only makes them feel safe under very specific circumstances

Don’t tell your children everything, but don’t lie to them. You’re responsible for teaching them how the world works - lie to them about your own competence, and they’ll be crippled in understanding until they see through your lies

corsicanguppy ,

With the still-developing prefrontal, good luck.

lime_red ,

Was out with my daughter and her friend, and we found a wallet on the ground. The friend picked it up and immediately handed it to me, and now I’m ‘what am I meant to do with it?’. But only in my head, because I’m the grown up who just can deal with everything.

SoLongSealion ,

Try to find an address in the wallet and mail it. Otherwise, hand it to the police.

lime_red ,

It felt wrong to put it in my bag, so I held it out in front of me like a dirty nappy, and took it to the nearby shopping centre’s concierge.

corsicanguppy ,

Yep: you gotta hold it so that it’s clearly visible as not in your pocket and thus claimed by you.

This, oddly, seems to be The Way.

BornVolcano ,

Ngl wing it with confidence and reassurance and when they grow up it’ll be even more impressive

70ms ,

I’m a mom whose kids are all grown, and I still feel it to this day. 😂

NettoHikari ,
@NettoHikari@social.fossware.space avatar

I’m glad to read that!

BornVolcano ,

Lmao I’m a grown kid who’s helping teach my dad a lot and it’s so funny to see the back and forth, to see him excited about his work softball team or messing something up. He’s one of those “always need to look fully in control” types so it’s refreshing to see him actually be human sometimes

BorgDrone ,

That’s why I think people shouldn’t have kids until they have at least a couple of hundred years of life experience.

MBM ,

People should have 10 years of experience with having a kid before they’re allowed to have a kid

RCKLSSBNDN ,

And at least two related certs.

corsicanguppy ,

You’ll doom humanity like that.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I realize that’s a joke, but we waited until our 30s to have a kid specifically so we could have life experience and more financial stability before taking on that responsibility. I think that’s the best way to do it. Being 46 with a 13-year-old is a lot easier than it would have been for me 13 years ago.

beigegull ,

The other side of that is worth considering too. Being 46 with a 23 year old would be great.

001100010010 , to nostupidquestions in How to de-radicalize my mom's youtube algorithm?
@001100010010@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I’m a bit disturbed how people’s beliefs are literally shaped by an algorithm. Now I’m scared to watch Youtube because I might be inadvertently watching propaganda.

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  • Mikina ,

    It’s even worse than “a lot easier”. Ever since the advances in ML went public, with things like Midjourney and ChatGPT, I’ve realized that the ML models are way way better at doing their thing that I’ve though.

    Midjourney model’s purpose is so receive text, and give out an picture. And it’s really good at that, even though the dataset wasn’t really that large. Same with ChatGPT.

    Now, Meta has (EDIT: just a speculation, but I’m 95% sure they do) a model which receives all data they have about the user (which is A LOT), and returns what post to show to him and in what order, to maximize his time on Facebook. And it was trained for years on a live dataset of 3 billion people interacting daily with the site. That’s a wet dream for any ML model. Imagine what it would be capable of even if it was only as good as ChatGPT at doing it’s task - and it had uncomparably better dataset and learning opportunities.

    I’m really worried for the future in this regard, because it’s only a matter of time when someone with power decides that the model should not only keep people on the platform, but also to make them vote for X. And there is nothing you can do to defend against it, other than never interacting with anything with curated content, such as Google search, YT or anything Meta - because even if you know that there’s a model trying to manipulate with you, the model knows - there’s a lot of people like that. And he’s already learning and trying how to manipulate even with people like that. After all, it has 3 billion people as test subjects.

    That’s why I’m extremely focused on privacy and about my data - not that I have something to hide, but I take a really really great issue with someone using such data to train models like that.

    Cheers ,

    Just to let you know, meta has an open source model, llama, and it’s basically state of the art for open source community, but it falls short of chatgpt4.

    The nice thing about the llama branches (vicuna and wizardlm) is that you can run them locally with about 80% of chatgpt3.5 efficiency, so no one is tracking your searches/conversations.

    Mikina ,

    I was using ChatGPT only as an example - I don’t think that making a chatbot AI is their focus, so it’s understandable that they are not as good at it - plus, I’d guess that making a coherent text is a lot harder than deciding what kind of video or posts to put in someones feed.

    And that AI, the one that takes users data as input and outputs what to show him in his feed to keep him glued to Facebook for as much as possible, I’m almost sure is one of the best ML we have on the world right now - simply because of the user base and time it has to learn on, and the sheer amount of data Meta has about users. But that’s also something that will never get public, naturally.

    Entropywins ,
    @Entropywins@kbin.social avatar

    I watch a lot of history, science, philosophy, stand up, jam bands and happy uplifting content... I am very much so feeding my mind lots of goodness and love it...

    static , (edited )
    @static@kbin.social avatar

    My normal YT algorithm was ok, but shorts tries to pull me to the alt-right.
    I had to block many channels to get a sane shorts algorythm.

    "Do not recommend channel" really helps

    Andreas ,
    @Andreas@feddit.dk avatar

    Using Piped/Invidious/NewPipe/insert your preferred alternative frontend or patched client here (Youtube legal threats are empty, these are still operational) helps even more to show you only the content you have opted in to.

    AstralPath ,

    It really does help. I’ve been heavily policing my Youtube feed for years and I can easily see when they make big changes to the algorithm because it tries to force feed me polarizing or lowest common denominator content. Shorts are incredibly quick to smother mebin rage bait and if you so much as linger on one of those videos too long, you’re getting a cascade of alt-right bullshit shortly after.

    masquenox ,

    I have to clear out my youtube recommendations about once a week… no matter how many times I take out or report all the right-wing garbage, you can bet everything that by the end of the week there will be a Jordan Peterson or PragerU video in there. How are people who aren’t savvy to the right-wing’s little “culture war” supposed to navigate this?

    shortgiraffe ,

    You should use an extension like blocktube.

    masquenox ,

    I probably should… but I have to admit that I kinda enjoy reporting them.

    Thanks - I’ll certainly look into it.

    Mikina ,

    My personal opinion is that it’s one of the first large cases of misalignment in ML models. I’m 90% certain that Google and other platforms have been for years already using ML models design for user history and data they have about him as an input, and what videos should they offer to him as an ouput, with the goal to maximize the time he spends watching videos (or on Facebook, etc).

    And the models eventually found out that if you radicalize someone, isolate them into a conspiracy that will make him an outsider or a nutjob, and then provide a safe space and an echo-chamber on the platform, be it both facebook or youtube, the will eventually start spending most of the time there.

    I think this subject was touched-upon in the Social Dillema movie, but given what is happening in the world and how it seems that the conspiracies and desinformations are getting more and more common and people more radicalized, I’m almost certain that the algorithms are to blame.

    Ludrol ,
    @Ludrol@szmer.info avatar

    If youtube “Algorithm” is optimizing for watchtime then the most optimal solution is to make people addicted to youtube.

    The most scary thing I think is to optimize the reward is not to recommend a good video but to reprogram a human to watch as much as possible

    Mikina ,

    I think that making someone addicted to youtube would be harder, than simply slowly radicalizing them into a shunned echo chamber about a conspiracy theory. Because if you try to make someone addicted to youtube, they will still have an alternative in the real world, friends and families to return to.

    But if you radicalize them into something that will make them seem like a nutjob, you don’t have to compete with their surroundings - the only place where they understand them is on the youtube.

    MonkCanatella ,

    fuck, this is dark and almost awesome but not in a good way. I was thinking the fascist funnel was something of a deliberate thing, but may be these engagement algorithms have more to do with it than large shadow actors putting the funnels into place. Then there’s the folks who will create any sort of content to game the algorithm and you’ve got a perfect trifecta of radicalization

    floofloof , (edited )

    Fascist movements and cult leaders long ago figured out the secret to engagement: keep people feeling threatened, play on their insecurities, blame others for all the problems in people’s lives, use fear and hatred to cut them off from people outside the movement, make them feel like they have found a bunch of new friends, etc. Machine learning systems for optimizing engagement are dealing with the same human psychology, so they discover the same tricks to maximize engagement. Naturally, this leads to YouTube recommendations directing users towards fascist and cult content.

    MonkCanatella ,

    That’s interesting. That it’s almost a coincidence that fascists and engagement algorithms have similar methods to suck people in.

    archomrade ,

    100% they’re using ML, and 100% it found a strategy they didn’t anticipate

    The scariest part of it, though, is their willingness to continue using it despite the obvious consequences.

    I think misalignment is not only likely to happen (for an eventual AGI), but likely to be embraced by the entities deploying them because the consequences may not impact them. Misalignment is relative

    Thorny_Thicket ,

    I find it interesting how some people have so vastly different experience with YouTube than me. I watch a ton of videos there, literally hours every single day and basically all my recommendations are about stuff I’m interested in. I even watch occasional political videos, gun videos and police bodycam videos but it’s still not trying to force any radical stuff down my throat. Not even when I click that button which asks if I want to see content outside my typical feed.

    livus ,
    @livus@kbin.social avatar

    My youtube is usually ok but the other day I googled an art exhibition on loan from the Tate Gallery, and now youtube is trying to show me Andrew Tate.

    Andreas ,
    @Andreas@feddit.dk avatar

    I watch a ton of videos there, literally hours every single day and basically all my recommendations are about stuff I’m interested in.

    The algorithm’s goal is to get you addicted to Youtube. It has already succeeded. For the rest of us who watch one video a day, if at all, it employs more heavy-handed strategies.

    Thorny_Thicket ,

    That’s a good point. They don’t care what I watch. They just want me to watch something.

    bstix ,

    The experience is different because it’s not one algorithm for everyone.

    Demographics are targeted differently. If you actually get a real feed, it’s only because no one has yet paid YouTube for guiding you towards their product.

    It would be an interesting experiment to set up two identical devices and then create different Google profiles for each just to watch the algorithm take them in different directions.

    scottyjoe9 ,

    At one point I watched a few videos about marvel films and the negatives about them. One was about how captian marvel wasn’t a good hero because she was basically invincible and all powerful etc etc. I started getting more and more suggestions about how bad the new strong female leads in modern films are. Then I started getting content about politically right leaning shit. It started really innocuously and it’s hard to figure out if it’s leading you a certain way until it gets further along. It really made me think when I’m watching content from new channels. Obviously I’ve blocked/purged all channels like that and my experience is fine now.

    niktemadur , (edited )
    @niktemadur@kbin.social avatar

    You watch this one thing out of curiosity, morbid curiosity, or by accident, and at the slightest poke the goddamned mindless algorithm starts throwing this shit at you.

    The algorithm is "weaponized" for who screams the loudest, and I truly believe it started due to myopic incompetence/greed, not political malice. Which doesn't make it any better, as people don't know how to take care of themselves from this bombardment, but the corporations like to pretend that they people can, so they wash their hands for as long as they are able.

    Then on top of this, the algorithm has been further weaponized by even more malicious actors who have figured out how to game the system.
    That's how toxic meatheads like infowars and joe rogan get a huge bullhorn that reaches millions. "Huh... DMT experiences... sounds interesting", the format is entertaining... and before you know it, you are listening to anti-vax and qanon excrement, your mind starts to normalize the most outlandish things.

    EDIT: a word, for clarity

    Jaywarbs ,

    Whenever I end up watching something from a bad channel I always delete it from my watch history, in case that affects my front page too.

    Sludgehammer ,
    @Sludgehammer@lemmy.world avatar

    I do that, too.

    However I’m convinced that Youtube still has a “suggest list” bound to IP addresses. Quite often I’ll have videos that other people in my household have watched suggested to me. While some of it can be explained by similar interests, but it happens a suspiciously often.

    Drunemeton ,
    @Drunemeton@lemmy.world avatar

    I can confirm the IP-based suggestions!

    My hubs and I watch very different things. Him: photography equipment reviews, photography how to’s, and old, OLD movies. Me: Pathfinder 2e, quantum field theory/mechanics and Dip Your Car.

    Yet we both see stuff in the other’s Suggestions of videos the other recently watched. There’s ZERO chance based on my watch history that without IP-based suggestions YT is going to think I’m interested in watching a Hasselblad DX2 unboxing. Same with him getting PBS Space Time’s suggestions.

    emptyother ,
    @emptyother@lemmy.world avatar

    Huh, I tried that. Still got recommended incel-videos for months after watching a moron “discuss” the Captain Marvel movie. Eventually went through and clicked “dont recommend this” on anything that showed on my frontpage, that helped.

    weeahnn ,
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    At this point, any channel that I know is either bullshit or annoying af I just block. Out of sight out of mind.

    youthinkyouknowme ,

    Same. I have ads blocked and open YouTube directly to my subbed channels only. Rarely open the home tab or check related videos because of the amount of click bait and bs.

    weeahnn ,
    @weeahnn@lemmy.world avatar

    Ohh I just use BlockTube to block channels/ videos I don’t want to see.

    jerdle_lemmy ,

    I mean, you probably are, especially if it’s explicitly political. All I can recommend is CONSTANT VIGILANCE!

    DaGuys470 ,
    @DaGuys470@kbin.social avatar

    Just this week I stumbled across a new YT channel that seemed to talk about some really interesting science. Almost subscribed, but something seemed fishy. Went on the channel and saw the other videos, immediately got the hell out. Conspiracies and propaganda lurk everywhere and no one is save. Mind you, I'm about to get my bachelor's degree next year, meaning I have received proper scientific education. Yet I almost fell for it.

    Atemu ,
    @Atemu@lemmy.ml avatar

    YouTube’s entire business is propaganda: Ads.

    001100010010 ,
    @001100010010@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    What ad? Glances at uBlock Origin

    martyc3 ,

    Lately the number of ads on YouTube has increased by an order of magnitude. What they managed to accomplish was driving me away.

    nLuLukna ,
    @nLuLukna@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Reason and critical thinking is all the more important in this day and age. It’s just no longer taught in schools. Some simple key skills like noticing fallacies or analogous reasoning, and you will find that your view on life is far more grounded and harder to shift

    Dark_Arc ,
    @Dark_Arc@lemmy.world avatar

    I think it’s worth pointing out “no longer” is not a fair assessment since this is regularly an issue with older Americans.

    I’m inclined to believe it was never taught in schools, and is probably more likely to be a subject teachers are increasingly likely to want to teach (i.e. if politics didn’t enter the classroom it would already be being taugh, and might be in some districts).

    The older generations were given catered news their entire lives, only in the last few decades have they had to face a ton of potentially insidious information. The younger generations have had to grow up with it.

    A good example is that old people regularly click malicious advertising, fall for scams, etc, they’re generally not good at applying critical thinking to a computer, where as younger people (typically though I hear this is regressing some with smartphones) know about this stuff and are used to validating their information (or at least have a better “feel” for what’s fishy).

    Redonkulation ,

    Texas basically banned critical thinking skills in the school system

    cynar ,

    Just be aware that we can ALL be manipulated, the only difference is the method. Right now, most manipulation is on a large scale. This means they focus on what works best for the masses. Unfortunately, modern advances in AI mean that automating custom manipulation is getting a lot easier. That brings us back into the firing line.

    I’m personally an Aspie with a scientific background. This makes me fairly immune to a lot of manipulation tactics in widespread use. My mind doesn’t react how they expect, and so it doesn’t achieve the intended result. I do know however, that my own pressure points are likely particularly vulnerable. I’ve not had the practice resisting having them pressed.

    A solid grounding gives you a good reference, but no more. As individuals, it is down to us to use that reference to resist undue manipulation.

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  • cynar ,

    The only way you can’t be manipulated is if you are dead. All human interaction is manipulation of some sort of another. If you think your immune, your likely very vulnerable. If it’s delivered in the correct way, since your not bothering to guard against it.

    An interesting factoid I’ve ran across a few times. Smart people are far easier to rope into cults than stupid people. The stupid, have experienced that sort of manipulation before, and so have some defenses against it. The smart people assume they wouldn’t be caught up in something like that, and so drop their guard.

    In the words of Mad-eye Moody “Constant vigilance!”

    MonkCanatella ,

    imagine if they taught critical media literacy in schools. of course that would only be critical media literacy with an american propaganda backdoor but still

    abbadon420 ,

    I don’t understand how these people can endure enough ads to be lured in by qanon. The people of that generation generally don’t know about decent adblockers.

    HKPiax , to memes in Anybody else experience this?
    @HKPiax@lemmy.world avatar

    I’ve never seen something as unhinged as Project 2025. I mean it, it sounds like a shitty “evil plan” cooked on 4chan, but it’s fucking real. Insane.

    Gradually_Adjusting ,
    @Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world avatar

    If we’re talking about American politics in our lifetime, yeah this is tops. But it’s not history’s craziest politics by a long shot

    originalfrozenbanana , (edited )

    Hear that everyone, it could be worse

    Thanks for the enlightening framing. When they’re rounding up people they don’t like we should tell them it’s ok, it’s been worse

    Nobody fucking cares. This isn’t some academic exercise to rank crazy times. This is the very real political strategy of a party about to take power in the US. This view from nowhere shit is so exhausting.

    Gradually_Adjusting ,
    @Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world avatar

    You mistake me: I think it’s so bad people should leave if they can, or revolt en masse. I just also like talking about history.

    originalfrozenbanana ,

    Read the room

    Sonotsugipaa ,
    @Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    I didn’t know there was a book adaptation of that movie

    originalfrozenbanana ,

    Anyway, how’s your sex life?

    Sonotsugipaa ,
    @Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Better than my septem life, that’s for sure

    Gradually_Adjusting ,
    @Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world avatar

    I have. Are you going to leave if you can or revolt en masse?

    originalfrozenbanana ,

    Yes my family and I fly out next week

    Gradually_Adjusting ,
    @Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world avatar

    I left three years ago. I saw all this coming, though I still do the voting bit. Sorry it’s come to this.

    originalfrozenbanana ,

    We started the process two years ago and I’m helping friends get sorted too. It sucks

    Gradually_Adjusting ,
    @Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world avatar

    It’s been somewhat traumatic. I had to take things back to where they began two generations ago, return to the roots that once were, though they’re new to me. I’m grateful that you and I could commiserate, at least. It’s validating to speak to others who felt the same.

    MewtwoLikesMemes ,
    @MewtwoLikesMemes@lemmy.world avatar

    I am genuinely happy for you, but I’m poor so I literally don’t have the money to move. The best I can do at this point is put away a little of money when I can (not often) and hope for the best.

    Gradually_Adjusting ,
    @Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world avatar

    I may have lost hope, but I will keep doing what I can to help. I still love what America should have been.

    MewtwoLikesMemes ,
    @MewtwoLikesMemes@lemmy.world avatar

    Same. In my opinion, America—“the Great Experiment”—is at this point mostly a failed experiment. But the goal for which said experiment originally strived is still a worthy one.

    originalfrozenbanana ,

    It’s not just real it’s their actual political strategy. This isn’t fringe shit, this is what they will do when they take office.

    Skullgrid ,
    @Skullgrid@lemmy.world avatar

    it sounds like a shitty “evil plan” cooked on 4chan

    4chan has several porn and LGBT boards. this is on conservatism.

    frezik ,

    Conservatives consume tons of porn. They just feel guilt about it afterwards.

    cmbabul ,

    More like they think everyone should feel guilt about it

    Atherel ,

    It’s like one of those idiots came up with this stupid idea and now none of the other morons can call this out because they would have to admit that they are watching porn.

    Like the emperor’s new clothes but in politics.

    redisdead ,

    They feel guilty about it and lash out on other people to make themselves feel better about it.

    ZILtoid1991 ,

    Yeah, but a lot of conservatives, and by extension fascists, are extremely hypocritical on the surface, except they like to use “hypocrisy” as a tool against their opponents, and by “hypocrisy”, I mean not following the strawman version of your ideology. I personally call this as “rulebending”, they’re manipulating their opponents rules to be even higher and thus choking them with it.

    On a deeper level they just want a lot of power, which includes them being above the law, as long as they’re loyal to the dictator/king. If project 2025 succeeds, expect one of them getting caught on live with real CP, maybe even raping a child, then will just go “so what? I can do this, you are not allowed to!”.

    davel , to asklemmy in Since America is bringing back kings what other kind of stuff is on your medieval wishlist?
    @davel@lemmy.ml avatar

    Guillotines.

    chtk ,
    @chtk@feddit.nl avatar

    It goes Yah

    Hubi ,
    @Hubi@feddit.org avatar

    That wasn’t really a thing in medieval times. I’m afraid an axe will have to do.

    davel ,
    @davel@lemmy.ml avatar

    It was an instrument used by the burghers in bringing about the end of European feudal lordship, replacing the feudal mode of production with the capitalist one.

    CulturedLout ,

    Trebuchet?

    Tugboater203 ,
    @Tugboater203@lemmy.world avatar

    Of course! It’s the superior siege engine.

    ClassifiedPancake ,

    Imagine using this for execution

    mjhelto ,

    Especially when you could hold a vote, letting the people decide the method. One option: yeet the person from the trebuchet. The second: yeet something at them from a trebuchet!

    Bring outchyo dead vote!!

    ClassifiedPancake ,

    Yeet a person at this person from a trebuchet!

    PolandIsAStateOfMind ,
    @PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml avatar

    First used in ancient China around IV century BC.
    We can get tripantium though, advanced evolution of it invented in XIII century France.

    KingOfSleep ,

    It’s okay, we’re getting rid of history lessons too!

    Zagorath ,
    @Zagorath@aussie.zone avatar

    This might fit in mediaeval times, with the earliest possible recorded use in the 13th century, but it’s certainly not well-known until the early modern period and most famous right on the border between early and late modern.

    corsicanguppy ,

    y’all qaeda had those on Jan6. They can have 'em.

    Samurai sword. But, probably they all have those as well.

    scottmeme ,

    And the billionaires will be the first to try it out!

    atomicorange ,

    Sic semper tyrranis

    DdCno1 , to asklemmy in What is an interesting fact that you recently discovered?

    There's a new application-layer Internet protocol like (but also very much unlike) http by the name of Gemini. It was first launched in 2019 and until yesterday, flew completely under my radar. It's primarily meant to be used for uncluttered text-only pages (although any type of file can be distributed), which are created using a deliberately simple and limited markdown language. Unsurprisingly, this results in a plethora of small niche blogs being published through it.

    The basic user experience is essentially the same as browsing the web, until you notice just how much it isn't. You enter URLs (except that they start with gemini://) you read texts and you click on hyperlinks - except that every page looks exactly the same due to the markdown language. There are no pop-ups, no ads, nothing autoplays, nothing wants your consent to exploit your user data. Even images only load when the user clicks on them. It shows just how little is actually needed, how many aspects of the modern web are completely unnecessary and mere pointless distractions.

    Gemini pages - and this is a small hurdle that will keep most people away from it - can not be accessed with a normal web browser and instead require a specialized client for viewing (although paradoxically, creating pages often requires a web browser, at least for now). The idea is that both the underlying tech and the browsers are much more straightforward than anything related to http and html. A Gemini client is not effectively an entire operating system of its own that can execute near arbitrary code. It displays formatted text with basic images and videos - that's it.

    Here's a neat, but slightly outdated introduction that also recommends a few clients and where to find pages to read:

    https://geminiquickst.art/

    The entire thing feels very early, tiny, experimental and odd, almost like a parallel reality, as if the World Wide Web didn't exist and someone came up with something like it only now, using today's hard- and software. If Lemmy is a response to social media in general and reddit in particular, Gemini feels more like a response to the World Wide Web as a whole or like a time machine back to a highly idealized version of the early days of the information system (the primary difference being the lack of horrendous '90s UX design and malware everywhere), including some unfortunate aspects that I had long forgotten about, like how the common method of finding content next to feeds - manually updated indexes instead of search engines - is plagued by dead links; and these dead links, unlike on the normal Internet, cannot be attempted to be resolved using the Wayback Machine or some other cache, at least not yet.

    Gemini is equally parts exciting and promising, like a new frontier, but also at times confusing and frustrating. Don't expect your Gemini client of choice to replace your web browser any time soon (or ever), but it's still worth trying out, if for the novelty alone.

    SuperSynthia ,

    Thank you so much for sharing this. I literally cannot stand the modern net. I’ve made it a point to curate personal websites. Found a bunch of cool ones on the lainchan web ring. Will check out Gemini

    imaqtpie ,

    If you have any Lain/Lain-adjacent content feel free to post it over at !lain

    Hjalamanger ,
    @Hjalamanger@feddit.nu avatar

    I have seen Gemini before but never tried it. Maybe i will but i do have a few questions first:

    • Is there a Gemini search engine?
    • Is there support for Forms/server side code
    • How big is it? Is there like just a few sites or a few hundred?
    DdCno1 ,

    Is there a Gemini search engine?

    I've found this one:

    gemini://geminispace.info/

    Needs a client to access, of course. Basic, but functional. I found a general-purpose forum not too different from reddit or lemmy through it (and they decided to call it a BBS, because the Eternal September hasn't happened to Gemini yet):

    gemini://bbs.geminispace.org/

    Is there support for Forms/server side code

    To the best of my understanding (and it's highly limited, since I only just learned about this, so take everything with a grain of salt), what Gemini does is primarily limit what the client can do. No local scripts, highly limited markdown. The server side is not limited. You can write any complex code you want that works behind the scenes - but it still has to deliver static pages (called "capsules") to the end user. This series of articles explains the basic underlying tech and uses the example of a simple server to illustrate how Gemini works:

    https://medium.com/erus-encodia/creating-your-own-gemini-server-part-1-what-is-the-gemini-protocol-cf497477c4d

    And yes, forms are possible, even though there appears to be a somewhat widespread misconception that they are impossible. Please excuse the sketchy-looking IP address instead of a URL, this was the best resource I was able to find on this (and yes, I checked if this page is on Gemini - this appears to be not the case):

    http://216.218.220.144/tutorials/sig-tutorials/misc/gemini-forms.gmi

    Screenshot if you don't want to click on the above link: https://i.imgur.com/s2mL3bM.png

    Disclaimer: This is two years old and I have not tried to implement it myself. Looks entirely plausible though.

    How big is it? Is there like just a few sites or a few hundred?

    According to the search engine linked above, there are 2420 domains and 1,854,666 individual pages as of yesterday. This is about comparable to the World Wide Web at the same time 1994, a number that grew to 10,000 by the end of that year; I wouldn't expect the same explosive growth from Gemini - the field has already been plowed, after all. Gemini Space is small, but not a ghost town.

    dependencyinjection ,

    This is fascinating and I’ll have to take a look. I wonder where all the people creating this are hanging out as I’d love to get involved.

    Dark_Arc ,
    @Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg avatar

    Appreciate all the detail and the extra mile of providing the screenshot!

    Have some Lemmy gold: 🥇

    Patches , (edited )

    Couldn’t they just use No JavaScript and get the same approach? Or no JavaScript and no CSS?

    I am 100% down for that approach. We even have options now so the entire web doesn’t have to be a fucking Table element.

    Why do we need a whole new standard? That’s never a good approach

    Interstellar_1 OP ,
    @Interstellar_1@pawb.social avatar

    That would be doable, but in my opinion markdown is far easier to understand than HTML.

    Patches , (edited )

    They were teaching HTML in Primary Schools and then again in Middle Schools. I have a hard time believing it’s easier.

    It’s not even standard Markdown. Because again - why use a standard when I can make my own???

    Interstellar_1 OP ,
    @Interstellar_1@pawb.social avatar

    I’m probably too young for that- I didn’t learn HTML in school, all the programming curriculum was in Scratch or Microsoft Makecode, and I assume it still is.

    blackn1ght ,

    This comment thread is making me feel old!

    XTL ,

    Logo is the way.

    anothermember ,

    Admittedly I’ve only just found out about this today, but my understanding is that it’s meant to be going back to basics since modern web design is so far removed from the original intentions of HTML.

    AbsurdityAccelerator ,

    This sounds cool, but the name is unfortunate due to Google’s gemini

    corsicanguppy , (edited )

    then the Gemini project, both the OS one and the NASA one.

    XTL ,

    And the star system and sign. Naming projects after very common words (or even worse, just letters or numbers) is really stupid as it makes searching for them or discussing them difficult and context sensitive and prone to fail.

    anothermember ,

    To be fair I thought from the start that the world wide web was a pretty stupid name but it did okay.

    corsicanguppy ,

    Rfc 1178 is leaking.

    DdCno1 ,

    Not the project's fault, given that it came out four years earlier.

    drcouzelis ,
    @drcouzelis@lemmy.zip avatar

    Yes! I use the Buran app (open source on Android) to browse it. :)

    DdCno1 ,

    What are your favorite sites?

    SendMePhotos ,

    Ascii porn

    drcouzelis ,
    @drcouzelis@lemmy.zip avatar

    I honestly don’t really use it, but I am excited about it in the future. :)

    I installed it because of OSNews, my favorite tech news website. But the Gemini page seems to be down?

    www.osnews.com/…/osnews-launches-gemini-capsule/

    anothermember ,

    Thanks for bringing this to my attention, this is really fascinating and just my kind of thing.

    AnUnusualRelic ,
    @AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world avatar

    So, it’s Gopher?

    DdCno1 ,

    Similar idea, but entirely new. I don't think many people even here know what Gopher is.

    Trollivier ,

    I remember seeing it mentioned here and there in 96, 97 when I first got access to internet. I read never curious enough to dig further. I just know it’s another protocol…

    AnUnusualRelic ,
    @AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world avatar

    True. I’m probably showing my age there.

    DdCno1 ,

    I considered mentioning it, but I've been accused of being far older than I am, simply because I know about things from the past, so I skipped it.

    RizzRustbolt ,

    I remember switching from Gopher to Pine.

    nilloc ,

    I used Gopher a bit, but we were just looking for free games, and usually ended up on a big college FTP server.

    Then Netscape changed it all.

    Eventually Hotline came along and was our favorite way to get warez.

    krash ,

    Gemini is encrypted by default, but they both share a lot of similarities.

    teawrecks ,

    I was initially interested in the idea of Gemini, but when looking for a client, I happened upon this blog post by the creator of one of the clients about why they were abandoning it.

    After a lot of thinking, I’ve realized there is one main reason I don’t keep coming back to Gemini: it offers no advantage over how I already use the Web.

    In practice, the Web already has all the Gemini content I’m interested in from various people, and then of course everything else. Having everything in one place (whether my web browser or feed reader) makes for a much nicer experience.

    Gemini is a reaction to bloated modern websites, but in fact I don’t actually visit that many gross websites like that. When I do, my ad blocker and paywall bypasser usually make them decent again. Otherwise, I spend the majority of my non-work Internet time on lightweight sites like my feed reader and Hacker News, and some time on sites that Gemini can’t emulate: YouTube, Reddit, Discord. The reality is that Gemini just wouldn’t actually improve this experience for me.

    These are exactly the reservations I had about the concept, so to have someone so invested in it reach this exact conclusion and leave it made me decide to forego it. I think it’s a neat toy, and if it becomes relevant I’ll definitely take another look, but I think it’s a bit of putting the cart before the horse. I don’t want to use a protocol for the sake of using a protocol, I want it to serve a purpose and solve an actual problem I have.

    currawong ,
    @currawong@lemmy.ml avatar

    I enjoyed browsing Gemini capsules using the Lagrange browser. Its look and feel is awesome and made me want to write smol websites again. I’m appalled by what modern websites have become. I miss making light but cool sites without an ounce of scripts in them.

    DdCno1 ,

    Have you looked at the source code of a capsule? It's delightfully simple.

    teawrecks ,

    I’m not familiar with the Gemini protocol, but how does it differ from just starting up a webserver pointed at a single folder with an index.html? Isn’t it still just as possible to make a simple site using http?

    mr_satan ,
    @mr_satan@monyet.cc avatar

    It’s cool and all, but this feels more like a toy than a tool. I can make dead simple web site in minutes with current stack. Nothing, but plain static pages.

    Heck, if I looked for it, I bet I could set up markdown to HTML converter as this is already a widely used functionality throughout the web.

    dan ,
    @dan@upvote.au avatar

    Sounds a bit like Gopher.

    dan ,
    @dan@upvote.au avatar

    I’d love to host my personal site over Gemini but that site doesn’t have any details about self-hosting. Guess I’ve got to research it in more detail. Do you have any recommendations? Should I just write my own server? 🤔

    tobiah ,

    That’s like html when it started out. The idea was that the user got to choose what all pages would look like. That gave way to the author having total control.

    godzillabacter , to askscience in [Biology] The umbilical cord: is it 'necessary' to sever it, or is it designed to disconnect on its own eventually?

    This is an alternative birth method called “lotus birth” or more formally “umbilical non-severance” in which babies are left tethered to the delivered placenta until their cord desiccates and detaches from their body on its own, usually in 3-10 days, while applying salt to the placenta to increase the speed at which it dries. It will eventually fall off, however, after its delivery the placenta is no longer being supplied with the oxygenated blood it needs to survive, and becomes necrotic (dead). This can act as an easy entry point for infectious organisms to enter the neonate, and can result in life-threatening infections. Neither the American College of Obstetrics or the American Academy of Pediatrics have explicit guidance statements as to whether this should be recommended against. AAP has published that there have been multiple case reports of severe infections with various bacteria secondary to this practice.

    This should not be confused/conflated with Delayed Cord Clamping, which is waiting 30-60 seconds after the baby’s delivery for some of the residual fetal blood in the placenta to be delivered to the baby’s circulation to prevent anemia. This has good evidence for benefit to the baby, is recommended by ACOG, and is basically standard of care in the US.

    Source: ACOG and AAP publications, also I’m a 4th year medical student that has completed OBGYN rotations

    Shelena ,

    Thanks. Very interesting!

    gibmiser ,

    Lol at leaving rotting meat attached to a baby for a week. Genius.

    godzillabacter ,

    I personally wouldn’t recommend it, I’ve seen babies die miserable deaths of sepsis and it’s heartbreaking. But I’m not going into pediatrics or OBGYN so thankfully this isn’t gonna be a discussion I have to have.

    medgremlin ,

    I’m aiming for EM and I used to work at a level 1 peds ER. I have heard some astonishingly stupid things and fully expect to hear more.

    godzillabacter ,

    I’m putting in my rank list for EM right now. Some people certainly have some…peculiar…ideas about health and healthcare.

    medgremlin ,

    Good luck on your match! I’m still in second year, but I’m already reaching out to programs about setting up auditions and whatnot because I’m attending a small/new DO school, so I don’t really have establishment or prestige on my side.

    godzillabacter ,

    It’s awesome that you’re already setting some stuff up. Feel free to DM me if you’ve got any questions!

    lars ,

    If you knew a lot less, you would dive right in. 😊 I know those people.

    thefartographer ,

    … desiccates… in 3-10 days, while applying salt…

    Forbidden jerky

    protist ,

    You joke, but there are literally people who eat their own placenta. I know someone who did. Crystals and essential oils and energy healing and all that, you know. I don’t talk about that kind of stuff with her because for some reason we just can’t seem to find common ground lol

    e_t_ ,

    Lots of mammals eat the placenta. Eating it recovers some nutrients for the mother. No woo required.

    protist ,

    As humans who have plenty food, no placenta eating is required to get enough nutrients

    e_t_ ,

    Vast numbers of humans live in poverty and may not have abundant nutrients. Would that your statement was universally true.

    protist ,

    There is an assumption that everyone surfing Lemmy are from developed countries. I’m not generalizing the western placenta eating experience to Somalia or Bangladesh

    howrar ,

    But it is probably the most environmentally friendly source of nutrients.

    naevaTheRat ,
    @naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    I don’t really understand why you wouldn’t though? Like it’s just an organ, people eat organs all the time. At least this one involved bringing life into the world instead of death.

    The only reason not to is if your brain is fucked up enough that you think it’s icky or something.

    protist ,

    You eat human organs all the time?! And you’re saying my brain is fucked up?!!

    naevaTheRat ,
    @naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    people eat organs of other animals, learn to read.

    I’m vegan

    protist ,

    people eat organs of other animals, learn to read.

    How could I read something you didn’t write 😂

    The only reason not to is if your brain is fucked up enough that you think it’s icky or something.

    I’m vegan.

    I’m struggling to understand what you’re trying to communicate about yourself here

    SatanicNotMessianic ,

    Or she could have a Boost supplemental nutrition drink and have it taste like chocolate instead of blood and placenta.

    thefartographer ,

    I’ve heard of people getting placenta pills to deal with the anemia after birth. I don’t plan on having kids and thus have never been interested enough to research it.

    Telorand ,

    The placenta is not pleasant to look at, so I can imagine pills make it more palatable. I don’t think a lot of study has been done on the effects of eating placenta after birth, but it’s technically a separate organ that belongs to the baby.

    So no matter how you spin it, they’re eating baby organs.

    godzillabacter ,

    Doesn’t actually belong to the baby, it’s a hybrid organ that contains DNA and tissue that comes from both the mother and the fetus.

    Kallioapina ,
    @Kallioapina@lemmy.world avatar

    Here’s a relevant link to an 2000’s Finnish tv travel/cooking show Madventures and their placenta dish. I think I’d rather take it in pill form.

    m.youtube.com/watch?v=15wqaGATHnA

    lightnsfw ,

    Pop that sucker into a blender and you don’t have to worry about how it looks. Mmm Mmm placenta milkshake.

    protist ,

    Iron supplements also work 😂

    ReiRose ,

    Ive heard of people using the placenta pills to help reduce postpartum depression. Not sure if that works. But research has been done to show it reduces bleeding after birth if consumed immediately.

    Terrible source but its late and im tired: “Postpartum hemorrhage has been controlled by using a small quarter-size piece of placenta placed in the mother’s cheek or chewed by the mother first and then held between her cheek and gum” www.midwiferytoday.com/…/the-power-of-placenta/

    Duranie ,

    Yeah, my critical thinking self wonders what kind of magic makes bleeding stop by putting a piece of meat in your cheek.

    ironeagl ,

    hormones? the body has many magic chemicals.

    howrar ,

    Bleeding stops when the uterus shrinks back down so the huge open wound left behind by the placenta becomes a small wound. Oxytocin makes that happen, and you get that by just holding your baby. I don’t know how eating the placenta would contribute.

    SoleInvictus ,
    @SoleInvictus@lemmy.world avatar

    My money is on it being the elemental power of bullshit. It’s likely the same ingredient that makes homeopathy actually ‘do’ anything: time i.e., it would have happened at that point regardless.

    ReiRose ,

    I’m not sure it’s the meat…I think it might be the chemicals in the meat. This isn’t my hill to die on, but you’re totally OK to stick to the modern Dr’s advice if you hemorrhage after childbirth. I can’t think anyone will ever forcefeed you placenta 🙃

    SelfHigh5 ,

    Oh, surely there must be another way! No thank you! 🙃

    ReiRose ,

    Petocin injection will do it if memory serves.

    idiomaddict ,

    I’m a vegan who smokes weed and I think that’s the extent of my woo (though Ron Swanson would certainly disagree, I’m very often struck by how much woo German medical doctors are allowed to push).

    I’d want to do it, partly because the large quantity of bioavailable iron calls to me, but also because of the oxytocin and potential bonding effects (if it doesn’t have any, it doesn’t have any: no harm done). I don’t think I want it enough to really push back against a doctor/hospital that didn’t want to allow it, but I might look for one that is open to it.

    KISSmyOS ,

    Maybe you could bond over dinner and a fine glass of urine.

    LocoOhNo ,

    I have a friend that became one of those people after high school. She made a killing for a few years from whacky people who wanted her to make the placenta into Christmas ornaments… She tried showing me photos of her stretching it over glass balls but I couldn’t stomach it.

    awwwyissss ,

    Why not a middle ground of like a day?

    godzillabacter ,

    To somewhat play devil’s advocate, what’s wrong with a minute? What benefit are you expecting from leaving it on longer?

    The long and the short is Delayed Cord Clamping is really the only thing we have data for, and that’s what we should do without evidence something else is better.

    awwwyissss ,

    I have no evidence, just a general thought that there are millions of years of evolution behind the umbilical cord staying intact for longer than a minute after birth. Some people want to leave it on for a week, why? Maybe that’s a useful instinct.

    godzillabacter ,

    But most animals don’t leave it intact. They chew through it shortly after birth. You can’t really have a tissue that is sturdy enough to survive tension during fetal development and vaginal delivery that then instantly falls apart, so it has to be manually severed after delivery. The vast majority of mammals don’t let it stay attached for long at all, because their offspring are pretty mobile immediately after birth. From my reading of some of the random websites that recommend this, apparently it was based on the observations of a single species of higher ape (a chimp I think) that doesn’t sever the umbilical cord quickly. But when we have been severing cords as a species for generations and the vast majority of other mammals sever the cord with their teeth, I think the evolutionary biology evidence points towards severing the cord quickly.

    Now evolutionary biology isn’t a solid basis for medical practice, but we don’t really have much scientific data at all to base this on at this point. There have been reports of increased rates of serious infections from the practice, which has face validity with the fact that you’re leaving a devascularized piece of tissue attached to the vascular system of neonate with an immature immune system. Outside of infection, there has been some case reports of polycythemia (excessively high red blood cell count) and jaundice in these infants. This makes sense physiologically. While attached to the placenta there is a greater intravascular volume available to the infant, which is the entire basis behind delayed cord cutting. It stands to reason that continuing to allow that extra blood volume to enter the infant would result in polycythemia and jaundice.

    I’m not intimately familiar with the foundational literature by which the standard DCC cutoffs of 1 minutes or cessation of umbilical pulsatility were founded upon. There could be a very real argument for saying, should the time be 2 minutes? 5 minutes instead of 1? Or should we at least study it if it hasn’t been already?

    In summary, we have a piece of dead/dying tissue attached to a physiologically stressed neonate with an immature immune system. Leaving it attached for days is in contradiction to the vast majority of other mammalian labor behaviors, is inconsistent with the majority of human’s labor history, and has a clear pathological mechanism by which the commonly reported complications can be easily explained. Without some legitimate evidence to actually support benefits or disprove the risks, I think this practice should be discouraged by healthcare professionals.

    awwwyissss ,

    Thanks for the answer. I’m not going to respond after all the downvotes, seems like a discouraging community I don’t need to participate in.

    godzillabacter ,

    I’m sorry you’re getting downvotes. I’m betting the bulk are because you’re in c/askscience saying you don’t have any evidence to support your question, but that’s kinda the whole reason to ask a question. You weren’t speculating in a top level comment so I think it’s rude to be downvoting. As far as I can tell you’re asking genuine questions which is kinda the whole point of this community. Fuck the haters, ask questions when you’re curious!

    awwwyissss ,

    Thanks, I appreciate it. I’ll avoid this community for now, but maybe in the future I’ll try again.

    Harbinger01173430 ,

    …this is why mom animals in nature just eat the placenta and get it over with or something. I saw it on discovery channel

    godzillabacter ,

    Well they don’t eat it to get it off of the baby. While I’m not a vet or a zoologist, my understanding is they eat it for the nutrients as well as to help remove the scent, and newborn animals are easy prey and targeted by predators.

    Harbinger01173430 ,

    Human moms hate this simple trick!

    ThatWeirdGuy1001 ,
    @ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world avatar

    Some cultures still eat the placenta.

    Other cultures will save baby teeth, grind them into powder, and bake them into bread that will be eaten by the whole family.

    Waste not want not I fuckin guess ¯⁠\⁠⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠⁠/⁠¯

    lars ,

    Holy Christ in the bloody sky. I hate odontophagia. I fear it.

    Ashiette ,

    They don’t eat it ONLY to get it off the baby

    surewhynotlem , to nostupidquestions in How do you get the dry boogers out if you don’t pick your nose?

    Are we still keeping up the farce that we don’t pick noses? It’s 2023, I think we can stop, and just be human.

    Now, be clean about it, but just do it.

    Kolanaki ,
    @Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

    Now, be clean about it

    Eat them, don’t wipe them. 😤

    Resistentialism , (edited )

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  • emmanuel_car ,

    It is theorised that there are health benefits, and we may have even evolved sweet mucous to encourage consumption!

    rishado ,

    🤨

    jhulten ,

    Piss would eventually be toxic since you would accumulate the excess salts or other compounds your body is flushing out.

    Run it through a solar still first.

    OwlYaYeet ,

    Stop trying to normalize drinking your own urine Bear Gryls

    squiblet ,
    @squiblet@kbin.social avatar

    There’s a saying that everyone picks their noses, but what you do with it is a measure of your character.

    pwnicholson ,
    @pwnicholson@lemmy.world avatar

    You can pick your friends and you can pick your nose, but you can’t pick your friend’s nose.

    Or my favorite variation: You can pick your friends and you can pick your nose, but you can’t wipe your friends on the underside of the car seat.

    FuglyDuck ,
    @FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

    you clearly need better friends.

    darmabum ,

    (or)… but you can’t wipe your friends off on your saddle.

    lazylion_ca ,

    You cant roll your friends up into little green balls and fling em across the room.

    Starb3an ,

    I flick them. In the trash can or out the window if in the car.

    Squizzy ,

    Pick it lick it roll it flick it

    DeadNinja ,
    @DeadNinja@lemmy.world avatar

    It depends on the booger itself. If it’s a dry one, I just pinch it into a ball and flick it across the room. If it’s one of those wet, sticky, semi-solid ones, I rub it between my thumb and index finger until most of the moisture is removed and the booger is determined to be flickable without being a little bastard and just sticking to one of my nails.

    Gargantu8 ,

    🤮

    DeadNinja ,
    @DeadNinja@lemmy.world avatar

    Yucky enough ? :-D

    Afghaniscran ,

    I can’t believe you would do that. 😬

    The moisture has most of the flavour.

    13esq ,

    🎵 Pick it, lick it, roll it, flick it, show me how good you are 🎵

    Femcowboy ,

    Frugal is a good character trait…

    treadful ,
    @treadful@lemmy.zip avatar

    I picked my nose immediately after reading the title.

    EmoDuck ,

    I also picked your nose immediately after reading the title.

    treadful ,
    @treadful@lemmy.zip avatar

    Appreciate you

    SparkyTemper ,

    There are boogers all over the bathroom wall. I get it, it’s a sawmill but Jesus it’s disgusting.

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