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Grayox , in Stay Mad, Tankies
@Grayox@lemmy.ml avatar

I am a tankie and voting for Biden lmao. The Prolitariat must be protected till enough class conciousness is achieved for Socialism to succeed.

UraniumBlazer ,

THANK YOU. It’s that fkin simple.

Passerby6497 ,

So simple, yet so hard for so many to understand.

vaultdweller013 ,

Most folks are dumber than a chickens.

Feathercrown ,

Based and practicalpilled

null ,

Most based .ml user

goldenlocks ,

The Prolitariat must be protected

By consenting to corruption and a path to WWIII. That is not protecting them, in fact it is ensuring them a terrible future. If you cared about them, you would vote, volunteer, donate, and support the PSL, CPUSA, or Green party instead.

AVincentInSpace , (edited )

None of those parties have a ghost of a chance of winning, and with as razor thin as the win margins were in 2016 and 2020, I’m not confident Biden will win if we don’t vote for him. I sincerely hope I do not have to explain why Trump would be worse on literally every issue (especially Gaza) than Biden is.

goldenlocks ,

Then do something about it instead of complain. I am, what are you doing? You vote for corruption.

DragonTypeWyvern ,

Bro’s protest voting when the Weimar American Republic has Nazis on the ballot and thinks building “grassroots support” for the twentieth year in a row justifies it when the world is about to run out of time anyways

You want Green candidates? Tell them to run as Democrats or make a fucking militia.

goldenlocks ,

Dems are actually fascists, and you are as well for not only voting for them, but gathering support for them online when you could be doing that for a decent party.

MindTraveller ,

🤡

goldenlocks ,

Imagine watching that debate and saying someone is a clown for not voting for them.

pivot_root ,

The Democrat party is just as corrupt and bought out by corporations as the Republicans are, but at least they aren’t trying to get the country to circle the drain as quickly.

goldenlocks ,

The past 4 years prove you wrong on that.

AVincentInSpace ,

Did they? We got back in the Paris climate accords, gay marriage got codified into an actual law, student loan forgiveness started rolling out, clamping down on junk fees and overdraft fees…

goldenlocks ,

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/biden-administration-approves-controversial-alaska-oil-drilling-projec-rcna74679

He lied about student loan forgiveness.

He has us barreling towards WWIII and has destroyed our reputation on a global scale with our support of genocide in Palestine.

AVincentInSpace ,

I got a question for you though. Same one you were asked two replies ago.

Do you think that the Republicans are better?

goldenlocks ,

I think the Green party is better, that’s why I vote for it. Google “democracy” and find out why!

AVincentInSpace ,

Let me put it this way.

Right now, no one knows your chosen third-party candidate exists. Let’s suppose you, personally, set out to change that. Let’s suppose you’re the best campaign manager ever, and that you and your friends lead the best grassroots campaign in history, so much so that come November you’ve convinced everyone who would have voted third party and two-thirds of the people who would have voted for Biden to vote for your candidate instead.

Let’s suppose that, had you done nothing, the vote breakdown will be the same in 2024 as it was in 2020. Biden got 51.3% of the popular vote, Trump got 46.8%, and that leaves just under 2% who voted third party. In 2024, thanks to your heroic efforts, the green party candidate gets 36.2% of the vote and Biden gets 17.1%, but oh no – Trump wins by a landslide because Trump supporters, who care not for your left-of-center politics, stuck by their guy and gave him 46% of the vote again, and in first-past-the-post voting, that’s all that matters! Your heroic efforts to get your message out about your better candidate only resulted in splitting the vote and ensuring Trump would win!

goldenlocks ,

In 2024, thanks to your heroic efforts, the green party candidate gets 36.2% of the vote and Biden gets 17.1%, but oh no – Trump wins by a landslide because Trump supporters, who care not for your left-of-center politics, stuck by their guy and gave him 46% of the vote again, and in first-past-the-post voting, that’s all that matters! Your heroic efforts to get your message out about your better candidate only resulted in splitting the vote and ensuring Trump would win!

This would be the greatest accomplishment for the working class in American history if it happened. The Greens would then start to win congressional seats, and being the process of taking over the government like the Morena party just did in Mexico.

AVincentInSpace , (edited )

It’s also completely impossible. A campaign that could convince two thirds of Biden voters to switch would shatter every record for a grassroots campaign (heck, even a corporate backed campaign) that had ever been set, by orders of magnitude. You are not going to convince a statistically significant number of people to switch their vote, especially not between now and November.

I also feel like you’re missing the part where even if you DID accomplish that, Trump would still win the presidency! If you vote third party you might as well not vote!

Especially given how slim the win margins were in 2020 and 2016, I’m not convinced that Biden will win if we don’t all vote for him. I hate the DNC as much as anyone else does, but if you don’t want a person who openly plans to abuse his Presidential powers to punish his opponents for daring to prosecute him for a crime he committed, you only have one choice.

goldenlocks ,

It’s also completely impossible. A campaign that could convince two thirds of Biden voters to switch would shatter every record for a grassroots campaign (heck, even a corporate backed campaign) that had ever been set, by orders of magnitude. You are not going to convince a statistically significant number of people to switch their vote, especially not between now and November.

You’re the one that made this ridiculous argument in the first place. I am expressing democracy by supporting and growing the party I agree with the most.

AVincentInSpace ,

I came up with a ridiculous, hyperbolic example that would still result in a victory for Trump to demonstrate that no amount of effort from third party voters would sway the election, even if they could all agree on who the best third party candidate was. Apparently hardcore leftists are so dense you thought I was saying it could actually happen.

But thank you for your honesty. Please, support your third party candidate. I’d love to see them grow, truly. But I sincerely hope you don’t think they actually have a chance, not while the people who operate the DNC are breathing.

goldenlocks ,

You’re the reason Trump is winning, because you refused to criticize Biden and the Dems, and not grow another party as an option.

AVincentInSpace , (edited )

I do criticize Biden. I have also written three paragraphs in this thread already about why a third party winning the presidency is impossible, and thus voting for Biden is necessary to prevent Trump taking office. Good to see leftists are just as incapable of defending their positions as always.

Voting third party is great at the local level. Voting third party at the national level when they don’t already have a hold anywhere else does not even grow the party. It just wastes your vote.

I do tire of conversing with trolls.

goldenlocks ,

No, you don’t you are openly trying to gather support for his geriatric ass.

Voting third party is the only reasonable option.

AVincentInSpace ,

Goodbye, troll.

goldenlocks ,

Not trolling, just the one who understands democracy.

AVincentInSpace ,

Which is it, do you not understand FPTP voting, do you think that voting for a third party candiate at the presidential level will convince anyone who is not already a member of the green party to switch, or are you really this dense?

We could have an entirely separate conversation about why the Green Party in specific sucks, not least because the candidate they put forward thinks vaccines cause autism, but if you can’t be convinced that voting third party doesn’t do anything I don’t want to talk to you anymore at all.

If your next response is less than three sentences long I’m going to block you.

goldenlocks ,

You don’t understand FPTP voting. It’s a common system, you can read about it and see many countries have parties that rise and fall in power, it’s not limited to 2 parties, you are simply a victim of propaganda.

AVincentInSpace ,

I will leave you with this explanation and a block.

goldenlocks ,

Because you can’t accept you are wrong. That’s why you block.

DragonTypeWyvern , (edited )

Yes, yes, we all know what happens when you scratch a liberal but it’s better than not having to scratch to find it. Even if all that’s holding the powers that be back is a skin-deep veneer of civility and deniability a vote to strip that veneer away makes you a fool, not a revolutionary.

goldenlocks ,

it’s better than not having to scratch to find it.

There’s no need to scratch. They openly support the genocide of children.

The real fool is the one that puts no effort into change.

AVincentInSpace ,

This is something I would say as a joke to make fun of a strawman version of you

goldenlocks ,

Joe’s crime bill is absolutely fascist.

Nelots ,

Nobody likes voting for the lesser of two evils, but we all have to if we want to stop an even further decline into hell. Our system is broken, and we don’t have any way of fixing it immediately, so we have to work with what we can. Trump as president will have immediate and direct consequences for many people, and it will be the fault of people like you that it happened. At this point, not voting for Biden is the same thing as voting for Trump. You may continue virtue signaling after we get through the crisis right in front of us.

goldenlocks ,

You’re not voting for the lesser of two evils, you are voting for corruption and evil while doing absolutely nothing about it.

pivot_root ,

The system is set up in a way that the only viable options are between two evils, unfortunately. Under a FPTP system where the only good options are minority parties that won’t win a single seat in their districts, you’re left with the choice of voting for the lesser evil, or voting for your morals but increasing the risk of the greater evil winning.

It’s a no-win situation.

goldenlocks ,

No, you can vote for whoever you want. You all on here are too lazy to gather support for another party.

gladflag ,

You’re voting for no one, giving more of a chance for the greater of two evils and still doing nothing. Where your fucking guillotine?

goldenlocks ,

I’m voting for Jill Stein. And I got one out back.

assassin_aragorn ,

Lmao the green party isn’t going to do jack shit. They’re completely unserious about politics. They aren’t even trying to build up an infrastructure in all 50 states that lets them get suffused into local and state politics. They aren’t even aiming for Congressional seats, which would be necessary for an actual Green president to get anything done.

They’re just anti science grifters who think wifi causes cancer, entertain vaccine skepticism, and demonize nuclear energy – the latter of which could be a major asset to stopping global warming. Newer designs are even able to consume nuclear waste, meaning an anti nuclear position results in more waste than we would otherwise.

goldenlocks ,

Then support the PSL. I work with the Green party to improve it, because that’s how democracy works. It’s okay you don’t understand that.

assassin_aragorn ,

I’m afraid all of us don’t have that much free time. But hey, if you can get them to stop being anti science and actually become a serious party, I’ll consider them.

Just don’t expect me to accept the Green Party’s many imperfections. If you don’t accept the Democrat’s imperfections, then you should perfectly understand.

goldenlocks ,

Send them an email and discuss your issues. They are the only voice in politics that supports the science of climate change.

Democrats don’t have imperfections, they are fundamentally flawed because they are corrupt.

assassin_aragorn ,

Until Stein vehemently recants her remarks about WiFi causing cancer, vaccine skepticism, and nuclear fear mongering – or the Green party completely disavows her and those remarks – it would be a total waste of time.

It isn’t my job as an engineer to tell “the only voice in politics that supports the science of climate change” to stop endorsing completely anti science positions. Nor is it on me to try and correct a willfully anti science party. They need to show good faith, and they’ve done nothing whatsoever to suggest any of that to me.

goldenlocks ,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2suVx9cDKw She is the one with a medical degree, so you don’t have any authority over her opinion, sounds reasonable for her to make her stance out of concern, even if she is wrong.

I’m also an engineer, and that’s why I use my knowledge to try to influence the party.

HawlSera , (edited )

I actually had my local Socialist Party USA chapter kick me out, ban me from their facebook, and publicly announce that I’m a rape apologist because I wouldn’t tell people to support an openly transphobic “Vaccines Cause Autism” Green Party candidate over Joe Biden.

TrickDacy ,

Thank you for being a sane human 🙏

assassin_aragorn ,

You get it! We can’t fuck over vulnerable people. We can’t abandon minorities and LGBT people. Even if we let things get worse to the point of a societal collapse, a lot of people will die because of it – and societal collapse has not historically led to better societies down the road.

tacosanonymous ,

I can’t even imagine how awful the people who fill that vacuum would be.

goldenlocks ,

We can’t fuck over vulnerable people.

That’s what you’re doing when voting for Dems.

Holyginz ,

Go educate yourself, and then you can join the adult discussions.

goldenlocks ,

Oh the irony.

Holyginz ,

Agreed, hopefully someday you understand it.

goldenlocks ,

Right, you should educate yourself.

HawlSera ,

Yes, I see how you’re protecting me when you elect the party that would arrest me for being a “Public Danger” because of the fact that I’m trans.

goldenlocks ,

If you would get off your ass and gather support for a decent party this wouldn’t be a problem.

HawlSera ,

Last I tried my Socialist Party USA chapter belittled me, called me a rape apologist, and refused to do anything for the local community outside of shaming people for wanting to vote out Trump by any means possible.

goldenlocks ,

That sucks, i bet there’s a more accepting party in your area for you. Try PSL or Green party

assassin_aragorn ,

“Your lack of support for Democrats may end up empowering people who will throw me in jail just for who I am”

“Stop being lazy and go improve a better party”

You’re entitled to your opinion dude, but you were a major dick here.

goldenlocks ,

Your lack of support for Democrats may end up empowering people who will throw me in jail just for who I am

Your support of Dems is what prevents a real opposition to fascism.

You’re entitled to your opinion dude, but you were a major dick here.

Truth hurts, don’t care.

assassin_aragorn ,

Here’s a brutal truth for you then. Being a raging, unapologetic jerk won’t progress your political goals. It’ll only make them harder to achieve.

Also, you’re a fucking asshole.

goldenlocks ,

Here’s a brutal truth for you then. Being a raging, unapologetic jerk won’t progress your political goals. It’ll only make them harder to achieve.

My goal isn’t to convince you, only show how you are wrong so people looking at this post will be influenced by it. Looking at your profile, you are too far gone.

No, you are an asshole.

drunkpostdisaster ,

What vulnerable people are dems going after?

Jentu ,

If you don’t know the answer to this already, I suppose the backlash against Biden from progressives might seem like bots or foreign propaganda.

drunkpostdisaster ,

I am starting to think so too.

goldenlocks ,

Nope. I just understand democracy.

Jentu ,

I feel like this reply is for someone else? We’re both coming from a leftist position. Democrats only think they’re being overrun with bots and propaganda because they aren’t actually politically informed enough to know the valid reasons why people don’t like them.

goldenlocks ,

You’re right, misread

goldenlocks ,

The poor is the most clear. Also black people, just look at our prisons, and the crime bill Joe Biden wrote

drunkpostdisaster ,

Show me. Tell me how the party of Obama and Harris are going after them.

goldenlocks ,
drunkpostdisaster ,

That’s just prison stats. Nothing about what democrats are doing to make it worse

Jentu ,

You should research cop cities. Atlanta democrats voted to fund theirs.

drunkpostdisaster ,

Proof?

Jentu ,
drunkpostdisaster ,

Okay, but notice how many democrats oppose it? Every single republican is in support of those cities

Jentu ,

Yes, yes. we all know republicans are worse. But democrats could’ve entirely prevented this, which they didn’t. They enabled it. Being better than republicans doesn’t mean the situation is better with democrats. In fact, it’s getting so much worse every single year.

drunkpostdisaster ,

I agree. But it’s the situation we are in.

Jentu ,

And the situation we’re in will continue to get worse as long as long as we’re playing the hand that’s been dealt to us instead of taking an active roll in improving things around us.

SeducingCamel ,

Don’t forget how Biden is being harder on immigration than Trump was but don’t worry Biden is totally for minorities

BreadstickNinja ,

My trans friends are what keeps me committed to voting Biden no matter how disappointed I am in him. Things are already really scary for them right now and I can’t be complicit in making them worse, even through inaction.

HawlSera ,

Consider me another one of your trans friends. If Trump gets elected I’m probably gonna die in a concentration camp. Don’t do that to me, don’t do that to them. I’m begging you for my life.

MewtwoLikesMemes ,
@MewtwoLikesMemes@lemmy.world avatar

As a transwoman as well, I second this!

Don’t let the fascist win!

bufalo1973 ,
@bufalo1973@lemmy.ml avatar

I’d suggest taking a flight overseas the day after the elections, booked prior to it. If Trump losses, you can use it to celebrate it. If he wins… well, you can ask for asylum on arrival.

HawlSera ,

Can’t afford that…

bufalo1973 ,
@bufalo1973@lemmy.ml avatar

😕

Objection ,

I am trans and not voting for Biden. I refuse to sacrifice Palestinians for my own safety or the safety of my loved ones. All the stuff people say now about them being an acceptable sacrifice or there being nothing they can do about it, that’s what they’ll be saying about us tomorrow. Solidarity between marginalized groups is the only viable strategy for long term survival.

I hate being used as a rhetorical token to make people feel better about selling out another vulnerable group.

drunkpostdisaster ,

If you actually cared you would vote biden. No one capable of it will save the Palestinians. None. At least with biden someone survives.

Objection ,

If our “democracy” has decayed to the point where I’m not able to vote on whether or not we do a genocide, then it is not a democracy and I should not legitimize the sham through participation.

There is no circumstance under which I will support genocide. If that means I die, then I will die. If any of you had a backbone you’d do the same. And if enough people drew that line, they’d have no choice but to listen to us.

drunkpostdisaster ,

Grow up. If you really want to fix our democracy it’s going to take time. Vote for every chance you get. We already have one state with ranked choice voting. If you want a real democracy that is our avenue

Objection ,

Oh, does Biden support ranked choice voting, then?

He doesn’t. I’m not going to support asshole after asshole in the vain hope that maybe out of the kindness of their hearts they’ll eventually give us freedom, which directly opposes their own interests. You’re the one that needs to grow up if you believe that fairy tale.

drunkpostdisaster ,

I don’t know. But more dems then reps do

Objection ,

You know, I used to be a lot more extreme than I am now. When I was younger, I said I wouldn’t vote for anyone unless they were going to reform the system to where I wouldn’t have to vote for a lesser evil anymore, demanding that our rulers give up their power.

Now, all I’m asking is that they stop slaughtering people. They can rule over us in their sham democracy, if they would just stop killing all these people. They won’t even do that. So again, my answer is “Hell no, fuck off.” Biden is my enemy and I will oppose him just as I oppose Trump, regardless of what the odds are. Again, anyone with a spine and a conscience should be doing the same.

drunkpostdisaster ,

And you will lose and thePalestinians will die anyway. If you believe in your cause you would accept the fact that you might not live to see it come to fruition. That’s what dying for a cause is all about.

Want to stop a genocide? Vote for a guy fighting against it happening in Ukraine

Objection ,

Nope. There is no reasoning with me on this, my position is absolute and set in stone. You want my vote, get a better candidate. No other option, period.

They will flinch first. And if they don’t, then we’ll go to hell together. You’re wasting your time with me.

drunkpostdisaster ,

Then you might as well go goose stepping right along side those trumpers

Objection ,

Well, if not voting for Trump counts as supporting him, then rest assured that Biden will have my “support.”

I’m not lifting a finger to help either of them. If Trump wins, it’ll be because the Democrats nominated that senile, genocidal corporate sycophant. It’s their job to win elections, not mine. I’ve heard you people try to shift all blame away from your shitty party and onto the left a thousand times before. You’re wasting your time. As I said, I don’t give a shit. Fix the party, win without me, or lose. Your choice, I’ve made mine.

drunkpostdisaster ,

I hate the dnc too. But I am not a fucking child who thinks the world should revolve around me

And it’s your job to vote. Freedom isn’t free. At least show you tried and send in a blank balllit

Objection ,

I intend to vote for a third party.

I know that you think I’m throwing a childish fit. That’s because, fundamentally, you don’t consider Palestinians to be human beings, just as your kind didn’t see Iraqis or Afghans as human when they were being slaughtered. To you, this is just some random pet issue I’ve taken up to feel good about myself. But it’s not. I have nothing but hatred for Biden and people like him, and I have incredibly good reason for that. “Genocide” isn’t just a word, it’s not something to be casually brushed aside. It must be opposed, everything else be damned. If you genuinely attempted to see the world from their perspective, you would understand.

Someday the democrats will decide that us trans people are too much of a liability and throw us under the bus too, and you’ll rationalize it by placing us in the exact same subhuman category you use whenever they murder a million people in the Middle East. Call me childish all you want, you’re just telling on yourself about how seriously you take their deaths.

drunkpostdisaster ,

So the Ukrainians don’t count?

Objection ,

Oh, yeah, you know what, I’ve already made the decision to accept considerable risk to myself and the people I care about because of my absolute commitment to opposing genocide, but if you just bring up some other random issue, that’s totally gonna change my mind. Wtf I love Biden now.

In any case the best thing to happen for the Ukrainian people is that they stop being drafted and forced into a meat grinder to reclaim territory for a state that doesn’t care about them. But regardless, it doesn’t matter. I’m not going to support a genocide to stop anything! I don’t know how I can possibly make that position more clear to you.

Stop wasting your time with me and go waste your time trying to get your party to be less shit.

drunkpostdisaster ,

The best thing to happen to Ukrainians is for Russia to be stopped. You say you are against genocide but are unwilling to prevent the one that can be stopped.

If trump wins anything that happens to you you deserve because you brought it on yourself. It’s a pity you are willing to let it happen to everyone else

assassin_aragorn ,

I’m not going to support a genocide to stop anything!

Ironically, not even to stop a genocide. You’d rather two genocides happen than try to at least prevent one.

If the trolley is going to run over people regardless, and you have the option afterwards to prevent it from running over more people, the moral option is not abstaining.

Pro lifers who don’t believe in any exceptions believe abortions are genocide as well, and are willing to accept any and all consequence of total bans. There’s a similarity with your thinking, and it’s one you should seriously examine.

Your opinion is your own, as are your beliefs. Just be aware of their consequences and how others may perceive your morality.

Objection ,

Ironically, not even to stop a genocide.

Yes, that’s correct.

assassin_aragorn ,

What else wouldn’t you do to stop a genocide?

Objection ,

Mostly just I just wouldn’t do more genocide tbh.

drunkpostdisaster ,

Give me some examples of trans hate among democrats.

Objection ,

Fuck off. It’s not relevant and I don’t have to prove shit to you. The democrats support genocide, end of discussion.

drunkpostdisaster ,

That’s what I thought.

Objection ,

Some of us don’t like seeking out stressful news about the government coming after us just to answer a non sequitur from an asshole. Doesn’t mean it’s not out there.

drunkpostdisaster ,

Awww it’s stressful? Fuck you. You think I like reading about this shit? Because I don’t. You say you are willing to die? You won’t even vote.

Objection ,

Piss off, fascist.

drunkpostdisaster ,

OK, child

Objection ,
drunkpostdisaster ,

It’s true and you will be bringing it on others.

Objection ,
drunkpostdisaster ,

Okay, biden sucks. But its still better then what the republicans will do to you. Besides its not like the entire DNC is behind him on this.

Objection , (edited )

You: “Give me evidence of this”

Me: “Piss off that evidence is irrelevant”

You: “Ha, I knew you couldn’t provide evidence, this proves I’m right.”

Me: “Ok here’s evidence.”

You: “That evidence is irrelevant”

Good talk.

Btw you’re literally proving my exact point. The Dems have decided to sacrifice us and you’re fine with it and are justifying it using the exact same logic you use to justify supporting the genocide of Palestinians. You’ve proven that my position is the correct one.

Tryptaminev ,

And here we go again. Once someone from a marginalized group exposes the lack of backbone and the insincerity of you, you attack him personally and suggest him to be part of “the enemy”. It is funny in a sad way because this reads exactly like /r/conservative over on reddit, when people challenged the current Trump narrative.

Jentu ,

Or maybe if the average American stood with the marginalized instead of yelling at them to fall in line, we wouldn’t constantly have issues where the marginalized are systemically murdered and imprisoned. The blood isn’t on their hands for having morals and boundaries. It’s on the masses who refuse to give up even an ounce of comfort to lend a hand to the downtrodden. The path the democrats are on is the same path the current republicans have walked before.

Who are you willing to sacrifice for your own comfort? Why is that a valid position? Because the other guy points that same weapon at you instead and it’s scary? How many different groups are you willing to put on that sacrifice list until you just turn into a fascist republican? “Just following orders” is just as cowardly a response as “It was my only choice”.

drunkpostdisaster , (edited )

Comfort? You’re idiot won’t wake up and realize the world is not that simple. You are already accepting yhe genocide of Ukrainians and lbgtq people because your ego won’t accept that change only happens with work and time. You are no different than they are.

Jentu ,

Queer person here: we’ve had to violently fight for our rights and were successful in the past and we will do it again if we need to, so expecting a vote for anything will fix the issues of the marginalized is very out of touch. Doing nothing but voting is 99% political apathy, and it very much feels like all this browbeating is coming from someone who only votes and mayyyyybe donates to the ACLU or planned parenthood once every couple years. Do some real work and stop spending so much of your mental energy on inconsequential (assuming you don’t live in a handful of swing states) things. Build coalitions. Form or join unions. Stand up for what is right and protest what is wrong.

drunkpostdisaster ,

Tell that to the person I am talking to. I am not saying voting is all that matters. But it does matter and in 2024 we only have two options unless you want to throw away your vote on a third party that has zero chance winning.

Jentu ,

So you know what state that person resides? You’ve confirmed they live in a swing state where their vote for president actually matters? (This is not me advocating against voting since local/state positions are important, but if you’re focused on president, only a handful of states really make a difference at all).

drunkpostdisaster ,

I am talking about all elections. My state is voting Trump with out a doubt, but it wont stop me from voting. And who knows? Maybe another epidemic will hit that republicans will ignore and my state might end up blue?

Jentu ,

My state is ruby red and even the fairly large city I live in is red. Begging people to vote specifically for biden in situations like ours only makes people more apathetic since they know Biden has no shot. But if you tell people how to be more politically involved outside of voting, they’ll be more empowered to want to vote just so they can get people more aligned with them in their local and state elections. It’s the state government in red states like ours that will enact awful policies that we will actually feel. Pushing an unpopular president as the main reason to show up to the booth will only make them stay home instead.

Tangential: Covid is still killing a ton of people every month (though it gets better in warmer weather). This past January had over 10k covid deaths that were largely ignored by Biden and pretty much everyone else who are desperate to show how “good” things are now. But also, I’d caution against being hopeful for another pandemic that would wipe out conservatives since it’s tiptoeing on fascism, which you’re trying to be distinctly different to, eh? If a huge portion of Americans are fascist, America will be a fascist nation. I’ve heard conservatives wish that CA would sink into the ocean and that NYC would get swept away from a hurricane and I hope to god we haven’t ratcheted so far that now democrats are wishing and hoping for the deaths of their political enemy.

drunkpostdisaster ,

I didn’t say I want another epidemic to happen. I am pointing out there is still a slim chance we can win. Maybe they will be so sure of victory a bunch will stay home. Maybe one of the candidates will die.

It’s a good habit anyway

Jentu ,

If your chance of winning hinges on your opponent suddenly not being there anymore, that conclusion is kind of anti-democratic in nature. If (for example) someone says “Things will eventually start getting better once all the boomers are gone”, they’ve already decided who their enemy is and that there’s no use trying to have discussions with them about how to fix things. The world around them slowly becomes less about different people with different ideas and it metastasizes into a country where half of their neighbors want them dead and because of that, they’d see half their neighbors dead as well. This doesn’t go away if trump is defeated in November. Civil war will be right around the corner until people start talking to each other again. The militarism of both parties and the fascism of republicans will, over time, be seen as a less necessary weapon against “the enemy” and divisive politics will ease up. That being said, don’t waste your breath on literal armed Nazis/white supremacist groups. They’re an artifact of the fears and stresses of this current system and have decided the best course of action is the most harmful. They will be less of an issue once society at large isn’t gasping for air and don’t have to blame their woes on one particular group.

My point is, we don’t solve the issue of rising fascism within our borders by waiting it out and hoping it all blows away with time, only coming out from your shelter one day out of the whole year to do political action. Embrace democracy if you believe in it and talk to people who disagree with you(preferably in-person) about why you think the things you think and why it should be changed. Show up to town halls, get to know your local government, join local activism groups. If you want things to change for the better, you can’t just keep doing the same thing that got us into this mess.

TokenBoomer ,

I respect this decision. But, I’m selfishly voting for Biden. Trump’s first term stressed me out.

Objection ,

Tbh I’m fine with respectful disagreement.

TokenBoomer ,

Thoughtful, educated and informed voting decisions should be respected. Shame on this duopoly for forcing its electorate to choose between tacit support for a genocide, and outright fascism.

Objection ,

Thank you. I have to vote according to my conscience and what I believe is right, but if someone else’s conscience tells them differently, I can make my case but ultimately it is their decision to make. So many people on here expect everyone to think and see things the exact same way as them and can’t even seem to imagine someone having different values or a different perspective, and that can be very frustrating.

assassin_aragorn ,

Trans people are not a monolith. There’s other trans people in this thread begging us to vote for Biden for their safety. Your feelings about being a rhetorical token are not invalid, but recognize that other people in your vulnerable group are legitimately crying out for help.

Either way, I’m glad I’m not one of your loved ones. Your own safety is one thing. Their safety is another.

Objection ,

They’re entitled to their views, as I am to mine.

I will do whatever I can to protect my loved ones and ensure they retain access to their meds. But I cannot go against the dictates of my conscience. And as I said, in the long term, solidarity between marginalized groups is the only viable path forward and I will not sacrifice that long term strategy for some fleeting, half-hearted protection. In fact I’ve already seen people applying the “lesser evil” argument to sacrificing trans rights since I posted this. Only by uniting and drawing a red line do we have a chance in the long run.

Diplomjodler3 ,

That’s such an important point. Anyone who thinks a win by Trump will somehow speed up the advent of socialism is just deluded.

HawlSera ,

People think Trump will eventually make things so bad that the average man will salivate at the chance for Socialist rule…

What will actually happen if you get a nasty concoction made from a pinch of Handmaid’s Tale with a dash of Holocaust 2…

And the average man won’t care, as long as the trains run on time and they owned the libs… and if the trains don’t run on time, they probably have libs to blame.

daltotron ,

trains run on time

I am here to regretfully inform you about the state of american rail infrastructure…

HawlSera ,

I know, I sadly know.

HawlSera ,

Right? Imagine it’s a fucking Saw Trap, and there’s an easy way out without sacrificing anyone… and an equally easy way out sacrificing everyone. Make the less sociopathic choice.

Tryptaminev ,

Biden is literally arming a genocide. He was even adamant about his continued support for that. Meanwhile Dems led cities have brutally beaten up peaceful colelge protests and invited fascist MAGA mobs to attack minority students there.

The DNC and Biden do not protect minorities. They are white supremacists with just a bit more moderation to the means they employ, but they will absolutely resort to authoritarian crackdowns if they feel the minorities to step out of line by demanding justice and rights.

NegativeInf ,

And I’d vote for a corpse before I vote for 34 time Convicted Felon Donald Trump. Eat the rich. Pack the courts. Seize the assets of felonious companies.

Invertedouroboros ,

Mother fucker could be Dracula for all I care. Still voting for him.

Paddzr ,

Dracula is cool as fuck tho.

capital ,

My favorite theme so yeah, def voting for that.

HawlSera ,

youtu.be/1Onr4z2fdDM - Dracula’s pretty based, ngl.

Invertedouroboros ,

I’m gonna be honest, I was thinking of Dracula flow when I posted this.

uis ,

There is russian meme “voting for stool just to vote against UR”.

glitchdx ,

You sound like a rational tankie, which by the definitions that lemmies have explained to me, would make you not a tankie.

Warl0k3 ,

“Anyone who thinks themselves a tankie is too self aware to be one” sounds like one of those fallacies you’d learn about in highschool. (What is a tankie, btw? I’ve been too scared to ask…)*

glitchdx ,

I am by no means an expert, but the test that was explained to me is that if you look at the famous tianamen square picture of the guy holding grocery bags facing down a line of tanks, and then proceed to side with the line of tanks, then you’re a tankie.

When I say that I am not an expert, what I actually mean is that I’m a random idiot from the internet, so don’t take anything I say as gospel truth.

I’ve only been on lemmy for a few months, and I’ve never heard the term tankie on any other platform. My understanding is that a tankie is a militant supporter of communism, who completely disregards (or is in support of) how every time it’s ever actually been done it turns into an authoritarian dictatorship (or something similarly unpleasant to live under).

My own biases exposed: I am an american, and most of what I know I learned in the absolutely fucked american public education system, which says communism = evil, because of the red scare a while back.

If you do some googling, there’s a wikipedia article on the subject. I’ve forgotten most of the content of that article shortly after I read it, I should look at it again and maybe it will stick this time.

Objection , (edited )

I’m a tankie. What tankie is supposed to mean is someone who blindly supports anything anyone does so long as they claim to be communist and wave a red flag. There’s maybe a handful of edgy teens who actually fit that description, but the way it’s actually used is to punch left at anyone who supports anything a socialist country has ever done, or who is insufficiently patriotic/nationalistic and is willing to consider things from an internationalist perspective.

If you say for example that Cuba under Castro had a successful literacy program, then there are people who will accuse you of being a tankie just for that. Because it gets used this way, some people like myself chose to reclaim the insult and wear it proudly.

Generally, the actual term for most “tankies” would be Marxist-Leninist. But I actually prefer tankie because it’s a more general, big tent label. It’s used so broadly that even anarchists can be called tankies. It’s basically like “woke” where it doesn’t actually have any real meaning.

Corkyskog ,

Well I think there are probably a half dozen interpretations that people on Lemmy use. One I have heard repeated is that they view the Tiananmen Square event as something that China rightfully did… hence “Tankie”

Objection ,

The idea that that’s the origin of the term is a common misconception. The actual origin was about the USSR under Kruschev sending in the military in response to a rebellion in Hungary. Some British communists supported the move, while other communists opposed it and labeled the supporters as tankies.

But regardless of the origin, it’s changed to where now it’s liberals using it to criticize socialists in general.

uis ,

If you say for example that Cuba under Castro had a successful literacy program, then there are people who will accuse you of being a tankie just for that.

$COUNTRY had a successful literacy program under $LEFT_GOVERMENT.

https://lemm.ee/pictrs/image/5831096d-865c-4f2e-9bb5-23ebaf73175b.jpeg

agamemnonymous ,
@agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works avatar

A tankie is, broadly, someone who wants to effect left-wing ideology using authoritarian methods. It originally referred to those who defended the USSR using tanks to suppress the Hungarian Revolution, but it could be aptly used to describe those who defend China’s actions in Tiananmen Square. It’s rightfully used as a perjorative, since authoritarian enforcement is antithetical to leftism, particularly communism.

Tankies are hypocrites who didn’t understand their self-proclaimed ideologies. If someone’s idea of communist praxis is lining up dissenters for the firing squad, you’re dealing with a tankie.

go_go_gadget ,

wants to effect left-wing ideology using authoritarian methods

Odd. I’m getting called a tankie because I just won’t vote for Biden (or Trump). Someone must have gotten confused.

TokenBoomer ,

By their reasoning:

No vote for Biden is a vote for Trump. Trump is fascist and authoritarian. Tankies are authoritarians. Therefore, you are a tankie. /s

agamemnonymous ,
@agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works avatar

Lots of people say lots of silly things, nonetheless Trump is worse for the proletariat than Biden, and turning your nose up at the lesser evil endangers real people when the greater evil wins. You don’t have to vote for the greater evil to help tip the scales in their favor. Accelerationism is authoritarianism with extra steps and no one in the driver’s seat.

go_go_gadget ,

Biden doesn’t accept blame for tipping the scales in their favor. Biden’s family doesn’t accept blame for tipping the scales in their favor. Biden’s campaign doesn’t accept blame for tipping the scales in their favor. The DNC leadership doesn’t accept blame for tipping the scales in their favor. People who voted for Biden in the 2020 primaries don’t accept blame for tipping the scale in their favor. Moderaters and political analysts don’t accept blame for tipping the scales in their favor. People like you letting those people get away with that and focusing on telling me to be quiet and vote for Biden don’t accept blame for tipping the scales in their favor.

I don’t accept blame for it either.

agamemnonymous ,
@agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works avatar

IDGAF who does or doesn’t accept blame for whatever. I care about material results; my future, my family’s future, my neighbors’ futures, the future of the people who live in this country, and this world. IDGAF how ideologically pure a politician is, or who’s wrong or right, or who gets away with whatever. I care about the people who are going to suffer if the Federalists, Fascists, and Fundamentalists keep establishing their foothold judge by judge, bill by bill, ruling by ruling.

This isn’t grade school, this isn’t a game, this isn’t about fair. There are real stakes here. People will die. I’m not heartless enough to play the blame game with lives on the line. I’m voting harm reduction because I’m an adult and I play the hand I’m dealt. Righteously losing doesn’t help anything but ego-centric deontology.

go_go_gadget ,

I care about material results; my future, my family’s future, my neighbors’ futures, the future of the people who live in this country, and this world.

Same bud. And Biden was never the guy who was going to do that for me. Where were you during the 2020 primaries? Where have you been ever since?

agamemnonymous ,
@agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works avatar

He’s actually been surprisingly effective. Your distaste doesn’t negate his numerous policy accomplishments with tangible benefits.

Even disregarding that, even if he was ineffective, he’s not trying to concentrate power into the hands of Federalists, Fascists, and Fundamentalists, so he is by default the superior choice to those who are. The material results that I care about, that reasonable adults care about, revolve around stopping the Federalists, Fascists, and Fundamentalists. Or are you on their side?

go_go_gadget ,

He’s actually been surprisingly effective

If you like him then you get him re-elected. I won’t be voting for him a second time.

agamemnonymous ,
@agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works avatar

The material results that I care about, that reasonable adults care about, revolve around stopping the Federalists, Fascists, and Fundamentalists. Or are you on their side?

So the answer to that question is “Yes”. Got it. I’m not surprised.

ssj2marx ,

Tankies are hypocrites who didn’t understand their self-proclaimed ideologies.

Tankies are very frequently the only people in the room who’ve done the reading. If you believe that so called “authoritarian methods” are antithetical to leftism, then I recommend you read the following pamphlet by Engels.

TopRamenBinLaden , (edited )

Tankies have read Marx and Engels, yes, but there are many other forms of leftism and even other forms of communism that aren’t ML. You are right about ML communists, in particular, but many other leftist movements are anti-authoritarian by their nature, so the point still stands.

Also, it’s possible to do the reading and disagree with the methods of implementation. I agree with the economics and the stated goals of communism, but I don’t believe authoritarianism is the best way to go about it.

ssj2marx ,

but I don’t believe authoritarianism is the best way to go about it.

Humor me for a moment, which of the following do you consider authoritarian?

  • asking your boss for better wages
  • using the power of a union to force your boss to give your coworkers better wages
  • using the power of the state to force all bosses to pay all workers better wages
TopRamenBinLaden ,

I hop off the train at the part where the top-down dictatorship comes into play. Probably a bit before the level of authoritarianism where the Joseph Stalin type starts killing people for having a dissenting opinion, and what not.

Using the state to enforce good wages and end the terribleness of the stock market/landlord culture does not need to involve a top down dictatorship and a lack of democracy.

I know about the “dictatorship of the proletariat” and all that, and in my opinion, it should involve all of the workers, not one person or a small group of people. A top down dictatorship just makes it all that easier for the party to be infiltrated and controlled by bourgeois interests. If said dictatorship is a true democracy, with each worker having an equal say, it makes it pretty hard to control the proles.

ssj2marx ,

So you wouldn’t accept any system that’s not a direct democracy? Where every single person is involved in every single vote? It’s a coherent position I suppose, but IMO totally impractical and idealistic.

Gigasser ,

I don’t think it’s realistic or pragmatic to expect a perfect direct democracy system. Trying to get as close to one as feasibly possible can be a goal though, and once we’re at that point, try to continually and slowly improve that direct democracy system until it’s even closer and closer and closer, ad infinitum.

Belastend ,

You completely disregard, that the soviet union did number 3 and crushed all unions not falling in line. Or that they ignore the will of the proletariat during the 1917 and 1918 elections numerous times.

The authoritarian way isnt being critized for coming down on Capitalists. Its critized for how it treated every deviation from the party line. And especially, how it turned into a political chess game at the top, which prioritized amassing personal power and wealth over the actual well being of the state.

ssj2marx ,

If by “not falling in line” you mean “actively sabotaging the working class for selfish reasons” then I suppose you have a point, but I would argue that in class war those organizations which do not support the working class are fair targets.

the will of the proletariat during the 1917 and 1918 elections

By the time the Bolsheviks were disregarding the results of elections, the People’s Soviets were the state power in the former Russian Empire, and they were a hundred times more democratic than the Duma ever was.

amassing personal power and wealth

I’m sorry comrade but the Soviets simply never did this. The benefits enjoyed by even top Party officials paled in comparison to the lavish lifestyles of the former Russian Empire’s aristocracy or those of the ruling class of any of their contemporary capitalist rivals - even fucking Stalin lived in a shared apartment!

Objectively speaking the Soviet Union was one of the most democratic and equal societies on this Earth during the time of its existence, and you can very clearly see in the data how their system equalized wealth (not “perfectly”, just “better than everyone else has ever done it”), and how the destruction of their system undid all of their progress.

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/a34af01f-e086-468d-b5ff-1570f69c8153.jpeg

Belastend ,

By your metric Stalin should have been shot for undermining soviet defensive capabilities by purging almost every capable military leader? What did Tukhachevsky, Bukharin, Blyukher or Yegorov do to get executed? What were their sabotages? Their names got dropped by tortured officers and in turn they got shot. Setting the red army back years in experience.

And lets not forget the ethnic targetting: Between 1936 and 1938 nearly all ethnic Baltic People were cleansed put of the upper echelon.

ssj2marx ,

I never said mistakes weren’t made. Class war is war and war has collateral damage. The problem here is the total idealistic rejection of “authoritarianism”, where every single thing that has ever worked is classed as such and therefore made off-limits.

Belastend ,

“war has collateral damage” mate, Stalins Purges killed 700.000 at least and cost many more people their lives during WW2. Hitler ciuld have been stopped much earloer if Stalin hadnt replaced almost every capable commander with some yes man.

And their purges werent even class war. It was war to uphold the power of a small clique and to satisfy their paranoia.

Just like any other imperialism, the USSR worked out for the imperial core, while the periferal states were fucked over.

I dont want to fucking replace the boot with another one. I want the boot gone.

ssj2marx ,

And yet the Soviet economy uplifted hundreds of millions from poverty and built the war machine that was critical in stopping the Nazis. People went from working on tenant farms to living in modern cities with all of the amenities of the time in a single generation, and the first man in space was the son of a farmer! The achievements of the Soviet Union - yes, even the Soviet Union under Stalin - far outstrip its failures and mistakes. I’m partial to Mao’s overall critique of Stalin, that he was 70% good and 30% bad (which also applies to Mao as it turns out), and I feel that Mark Twain’s quote about the French Revolution equally applies to the Russian one.

THERE were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves.

one last thing

I dont want to fucking replace the boot with another one. I want the boot gone.

Me too, brother. But the bourgeoisie aren’t going to lift the boot from anyone’s neck willingly, and we have to be willing to stomp on their neck when we have the chance, otherwise a world without class is and will remain completely impossible.

Belastend ,

Once again, i am willing to resort tp violence. but not for party elites. I am still getting the impression that you deem the great Terror to have been necessary. It wasnt. It didnt stomp out the “bourgeoisie”. It murdered old comrades fpr not bowing deep enough. It was the establishment of a cult of personality, in which noone was to critize the dear Leader. Which is eerily similar to Maos switch from “Please critize me and the party, for this is the only way of improving” to “Everyone who ever wrote something bad about the Party, the State or me is a despicable wrecker and needs to be dispatched” within one year.

I believe, that Millions of Non-Russian and Non-Georgians within the Sovietunion would have lived a better life, if the despotism within the Soviet Power Clique had been curbed. Stalins “30%” bad is more than just the Great Terror. Its the deportations and the ethnic cleansing of the new ruling class.

The Fall of the Soviet Union was a tragedy to the imperial russian core and its subsequent plundering remains one of the greatest failures of the 20th century, i grant you that.

ssj2marx ,

you deem the great Terror to have been necessary

Repression of the previous ruling class was absolutely necessary, the fact that it went overboard and also targeted comrades is the mistake. If it were possible to have a revolution that made absolutely no mistakes I would sign onto it no question, but I believe that such a thing is idealistic nonsense - and that forswearing all repression of the previous ruling class in order to not accidentally target comrades is far worse, because it takes an essential tool out of the revolutionary’s belt and replaces it with nothing.

Belastend ,

Previous Ruling class? The Great Terror almost exclusively killed old comrades. Once again, the 1936 purges did not target the bourgeosie.

agamemnonymous ,
@agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works avatar

There’s a difference between someone-needs-to-coordinate-and-manage-complex-undertakings “authoritarian” and line-the-dissidents-up-against-the-wall “authoritarian”. Tankies are the latter.

ssj2marx ,

We have class war waged against us by the bourgeoisie, and thousands of people are casualties of that war every single day. Expecting to turn the tide against them without getting our hands dirty in turn is useless idealism.

agamemnonymous ,
@agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works avatar

Uh huh, and historically violent authoritarian transitional regimes are always so willing to step aside after the transition.

Belastend ,

Getting our hands dirty means shooting comrades who carried the revolutionary wars for being a bit yucky.

ZombiFrancis ,

Militant leftist, in the most basic sense.

But anti-leftists tend to co-opt the term to replace ‘fascist’ or ‘nazi’ in their discourse.

awwwyissss ,

People that are happy to run people over in tanks to force their communist version of society on everyone else.

HawlSera ,

Oh my god! A tankie who’s not fucking stupid. I never thought I’d see the day.

TokenBoomer ,

This is the way.

avidamoeba , (edited )
@avidamoeba@lemmy.ca avatar

On one hand I’d like it if the Democrats put up someone more certain to beat Trump. On the other Joe has shown he supports labor and things are moving in the right direction in that regard. I’d hate it if he we get a corpo Democrat that halts this progress.

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HeyThisIsntTheYMCA ,
@HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world avatar

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eager_eagle ,
@eager_eagle@lemmy.world avatar

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superduperenigma ,

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xantonin , in Night owls and early birds

A sleep scientist/professor named Matt Walker has a podcast about, you guessed it, sleep. He talks about this and how it’s very unfair to people who are biologically programmed to get tired later.

He goes on to describe scientific proof of the effect this has on their sleep and the impact to their health. It’s sad really, but his hope is to raise awareness and acceptance of the night owl’s schedule.

JizzmasterD ,

Many of us just don’t move enough.

herr ,

If I worked a physically intensive job from 8-4 you can be sure as shit I’d be dead asleep by 10pm at the latest.

xpinchx ,

Yeah but the world needs data analysts and programmers.

  • data analyst and programmer
luckyhunter ,

They can do their job while on a green energy generating treadmill. problem solved.

PixxlMan ,

Humans are terrible bioreactors. It’d be the world’s worst energy source! Not green in the slightest considering how inefficient we are at converting food into treadmill energy, and how much resources are required to make our food.

luckyhunter ,

Well most of us are fat, so that energy is already stored and needs to be released in some way. Being fat as it is is bad for the environment.

mojo ,

That’s what I do, except 6 to 230. I have to always take naps after, then go to sleep again at like 11 or 12. My sleep gets super fucked lol.

loobkoob ,
@loobkoob@kbin.social avatar

It's not only about being tired enough to fall asleep early. If I stick to a 10pm-6am sleep schedule I feel exhausted during the day, and by early afternoon I'll be falling asleep. It's like being jetlagged permanently; my body simply doesn't want to keep to that schedule. It's not just an "oh, you need to stick to the schedule long enough to adapt and get into a proper routine" situation either - it's something I struggled with for years while I was in school and university, despite getting enough sleep.

It's amazing how much better and more energetic I feel - physically and mentally - now I'm able to keep to a sleep schedule that suits me. Obviously exercising is a good thing, but early/delayed sleep phase syndrome are real things.

Demdaru ,

This. I work physically, get up just before 6 am, return tired as fuck and can easily go lights out at 8-10 pm half of the year. Doesn’t help. If I wake early, I feel tired all day.

altima_neo ,
@altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

Yeah, whenever I get up early, like 5 am, I wind up feeling sleepy and groggy all day and need a nap when I get home. Yet I can get up at 7 and feel fine all day, not need to go to bed till 11 pm.

Gork ,

I once had to do 12.5 hr shift work.

Going from 7 am to 7:30 pm wasn’t too bad compared to the nightmare that was 5 am to 5:30 pm, which meant I had to get up by no later than 4 am.

Same amount of time but the phase shift just completely messed everything up because my body just refused to comply that early in the morning.

punseye ,

So, what is your current sleep schedule?

dependencyInjection ,

Not OP but mine is 00:00 - 06:00.

I can’t fall asleep at 22:00. But my ideal schedule if I work permitted it would be 02:00 - 10:00. When I’ve kept this schedule before it’s literally night and day how better I feel.

I could go to sleep however early you like but I’d still be wrecked at 06:00.

CohortCzort ,

Still not op but Working days i wake up at 2000 head to sleep around 10 - 12 Days off i gwt up at 6 and generally go to sleep around 2200 - 0000

loobkoob ,
@loobkoob@kbin.social avatar

Typically around 04:00-12:00 for me. Fortunately, I have a job that fits nicely around that, so I'm in a pretty good place overall, but when I do have to try to shift to more "normal" schedules it really wreaks havoc on my energy levels and mental clarity.

I've tried all sorts in an attempt to make a "normal" schedule work for me, like sleep monitoring, therapy, sleeping pills, and just being really over-the-top about my sleep hygiene (like not allowing screen usage for X hours before bed, no drinking or eating X hours before bed, etc). I can sort of make a "normal" schedule stick but I never feel good for it. And it takes constant work because my body naturally wants to gradually drift back towards a 4am sleep time, and I find going to sleep earlier than previous nights very difficult so once it starts slipping it usually takes an all-nighter to get it back to where I want it.

Like I said, I've generally got things pretty good right now with my job and lifestyle working around my sleep schedule. But it'd certainly be a lot easier if society didn't think I was lazy and was able to accommodate me (and other people with less "normal" sleep schedules) a little more.

luckyhunter ,

and many of us stay up too late for no reason.

braxy29 ,

wow! i’m sure the neuroscientist-sleep expert never thought of that! he should have checked with you.

SpiderShoeCult ,

Shit, man, now I want to see a paper authored by some rando PhD and JizzmasterD

angrystego ,

I think this is a good point, even if unpoppular. Physical activity can help a lot with sleeping. Colleagues, please, notice there’s “many of us”, not “all of us” in the comment before you downvote.

Metacortechs ,

I think part of the unpopular reception is that those of us that suffer intractable sleep issues are told this constantly by people who just don’t understand it or are just out to shit on people they think are lazy.

From my parents convinced that I was useless and lazy, to co-workers who are sure I’m just too stupid to be able to sleep well, to partners I’ve had in the past… Always explaining to me how I’m doing something wrong, and surely if you just try to sleep you can. No. No I can’t. No matter what I do, even sleep aids are only effective for a week or two at the most.

It’s insulting to constantly hear people tell me that I just need to do this, or that and I’ll be able to sleep. Yes, I see it says many of us, but decades of being shit on for something we can’t control takes a toll.

I’ve struggled for 30 years to sleep ‘acceptable’ hours. At best, I can wake up early if I have to, and I do a lot because my child’s school starts way too damn early on the weeks she’s with me, and I’m on-call every other week when she’s not. That means I get 3-4 hours sleep most week nights. I’m too old for this shit, but I have no choice and no options. We know that not sleeping enough can have severe effects on physical and mental health, but if you aren’t on a ‘normal’ schedule that goes out the window.

ScrotesforGoats ,

I’m a night owl and a morning person who works on a farm/cattle ranch. I had a 27 hour shift for the first time last month and I was kind of ecstatic about it. I felt proud when I got home and crashed. I also have a lot of willpower though so it’s easy for me to push through work stuff with very few freaks.

I guess this is my way of saying that everyone is different.

independantiste ,
@independantiste@sh.itjust.works avatar

You had a 27 HOURS SHIFT ???

mojo ,

sigma grindset bro

WoahWoah ,

Alpha Sigma Sigma grindrset.

DrQuint ,

Those cows ain’t gonna, uh, cattle themselves.

ikidd ,
@ikidd@lemmy.world avatar

Welcome to farming. During harvest, 36 hours straight isn’t uncommon. And driving back and forth lifting and lowering a combine header is far from the sort of thing that keeps one alert.

dependencyInjection ,

That ain’t healthy bro. You can’t catch up on sleep.

luckyhunter ,

That’s insane. He’s literally saying “early bird gets the worm” is true and we should punish the early bird. When the obvious solution is to set your damn alarm earlier.

Lonnie123 ,

Or figure out something that doesnt require you to be up that early?? There is science out there that there are genuinely “morning people” and “night owls”, setting an alarm is a fine thing to do but it literally is in opposition to some people biology. I have been fortunate in my line of work (nursing, where shifts are usually either 7am or 7pm start times) to find a shift that starts and noon and ends at mid night, perfect for me.

luckyhunter ,

Yeah exactly, there’s plenty of demand and opportunities for 2nd shift or 3rd shift work out there. Just because there’s no demand for 3rd shift bank tellers doesn’t mean there’s a problem.

Cryophilia ,

Christ I hate you people. You think everyone is a morning person, some people are just lazy about it. You are literally incapable of imagining that other people are not like you.

luckyhunter ,

Yes I know many people are lazy, and the last thing anyone would call me is a morning person. But I am motivated to earn money and make my business succeed which means making decisions that financially benefit the company first.

Cryophilia ,

So are we, we just fucking hate it

MindSkipperBro12 ,

Don’t get too depressed when the business falls apart regardless of your actions.

luckyhunter ,

I’ve failed upward my whole life, no reason to stop now.

SkyeStarfall ,

Why does making things fair for everyone mean punishing the currently privileged people to you?

slevinkelevra ,

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  • dependencyInjection ,

    You can’t see that the more people cycle or the more bus lanes we have also means less cars.

    Try framing it like this. Every time you see a cyclist remember that’s one less car. Or a bus could be 20-50 less cars on the road.

    Cryophilia ,

    Buses, that makes sense. But never in the history of bike lanes has replacing a car lane with a bike lane meant as many cyclists using that lane as cars did before. Replacing car lanes with bike lanes in no way helps efficiently move people.

    It’s better for the environment, so I support it, but let’s be real here.

    dependencyInjection ,

    Have you ever been to London? Because we have many many cycle lanes and it does help the flow of traffic.

    Ever heard of Amsterdam?

    I’m happy to be shown some examples to the contrary though.

    Cryophilia ,

    Did they add a bike lane? Or did they replace a car lane?

    I can 100% guarantee that any place that has removed a car lane and replaced it with a bike lane has people moving less efficiently. The math is inescapable.

    dependencyInjection ,

    here

    here

    You can’t guarantee anything of the sort, but fyi many of the routes are from road lanes, it’s London after all not much room for lateral space, but many places have put them at the side of the roads.

    Cryophilia ,

    No way in hell.

    I’d be very interested to see the study itself from that first link.

    dependencyInjection ,

    Bro I’ve lived in London. Just go there and see with your own eyes.

    SpiderShoeCult ,

    Well, never is a bit of a strong word here. Copenhagen and Amsterdam have something to say about that. Now I’m not a fuckcars person, but I do see the value for those places. I am also aware that it works there because of multiple factors that do not necessarily translate well to other places, not just plopping a bike lane and hoping people won’t just use it for parking their cars. Oslo, for instance does not have the same infrastructure for bikes as Copenhagen does, presumably because they get worse winters?

    I’ll say this, though, I was extremely surprised to see a traffic jam on the bike lane and no jam on the car lane.

    luckyhunter ,

    I’m a privileged business owner, I’m open when I say I’m open. I’m not going to start a nigh shift just because someone wants to work one. they only way I would is if some government entity punished me and forced me to do so.

    dependencyInjection ,

    Excellent use of your empathy there.

    If I have to do it so should everybody mentality.

    If some humans can handle lactose and others can’t. Some suffer from migraines whilst others don’t etc. you don’t think it’s possible that we also have different circadian rhythms.

    Perhaps you could exercise some critical thought. Maybe go read any of the various studies on sleep and make an informed decision rather than a knee jerk reaction.

    Also, positive intent. Just assume people are being truthful for the most part. Life is easier if you’re not looking to shit on people.

    luckyhunter ,

    I run a business, not a therapy group. Assuming people are being truthful is how people walk all over you. Trust is earned.

    dependencyInjection ,

    No. Trust is lost.

    If Apple can exercise positive intent as a core tenant of their business then so could yours.

    Assuming everyone is out to get you is how you end up bitter.

    luckyhunter ,

    If you believe Apple is practicing what it preaches I have a bridge to sell you. But yes, trust that is earned can be lost very easy.

    dependencyInjection ,

    I mean I did work there for 3 years but sure you know better.

    luckyhunter ,

    as CEO? any other C-suite position? Because a publicly traded company’s #1 duty is to generate profit for share holders. “touchy feely nice nice” policies go as far as they can before they start impacting profit.

    dependencyInjection ,

    I guess I can’t reason you out of a mindset that you didn’t arrive at through reason in the first place.

    With that said have a nice day and try to be better!

    Tu eres aburrida.

    luckyhunter ,

    I don’t need your “reasoning” to understand fiduciary duty to stock holders.

    dependencyInjection ,

    🥱

    Johanno ,

    So if I set my alarm earlier than I will turn it off and wait for my emergency alarm to go off.

    I should got into bed earlier: well it might work but I am just not tired then. If I go to bed at 10 or 11 pm I will just stay awake for hours in my bed.

    Luckily I have wfh and don’t have to attend meetings before 10 am. Sometimes I get out of bed 10 minutes before 10 and I still feel tired.

    franklin ,
    @franklin@lemmy.world avatar

    Adapting a system to suit more people when it exclusively suits you will always feel like oppression. In reality it is letting others enjoy the privilege that you already enjoy

    luckyhunter ,

    They system already adapted by creating electricity and alarm clocks, and for the night owls, night shifts.

    franklin ,
    @franklin@lemmy.world avatar

    Night shifts are the only night owl specific concession and society as a whole of very much does not run like that. Flexible work schedules are the outlier by a wide margin.

    Still glad to see it improving

    magnusrufus ,

    What’s it like being so willfully wrong?

    luckyhunter ,

    you’ll have to let me know.

    deur ,

    Too dumb to be self aware, too dumb to judge how confident you should be. Tragic really.

    luckyhunter ,

    That’s a little long, but think we can make it fit on your headstone.

    sznio ,

    you do not exist

    you are simply trolling

    block and don’t reply

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  • Metacortechs ,

    This attitude is maddening. I am diagnosed with delayed sleep phase syndrome that will turn into a non 24 hour rhythm if I let it. I’ve worked with sleep doctors all over the country, most recently Duke.

    I’m lucky that my work lets me start at 11am, I don’t get enough sleep those days but better than it could be.

    Unfortunately I’m on call every other week, so forcing my clock to reset isn’t an option. It takes me 6 to 10 weeks to get to societies ideal sleep schedule, and a single night of interrupted sleep to undo all that work

    The weeks I’m not on call are my weeks with my daughter, who has to be at school at 730 and there’s no bus for her to ride.

    Either week, my schedule is fucked and I’m in a haze all the time. Helpfully anyone who finds out about it just tells me to excercise more (makes no difference, ive done a lot of testing and exclusion), stop caffeine (tried it), stop using screens of any kind after work (been there), or any other thing that they think I am doing wrong and causing the problem.

    I did not expect to rant that much… I completely agree, science means nothing in the face of feelings and preconceived notions.

    exoplanetary ,
    @exoplanetary@lemmy.world avatar

    I feel ya. I’ve got the same thing. Luckily I’m still young and don’t have kids so I can at least adjust my schedule consistently, but man it sucks having to get up at 6 am on the weekends. The real frustrating bit is that I could totally get up 2 hours later if only I could WFH consistently. But corporate doesn’t like remote work so I have to go into the office at least 2 days a week to sit at a computer all day and program. Wonderful world we live in

    y2cwr2005 , in As an OG Reddit Sync user of over 10 years, all this arguing really brings a tear to my eye. 🥲

    As a software engineer I find it miraculous the amount of people that whine about somebody wanting to get paid for putting weeks, months, and years of their life into a product 100s of thousands of people CHOOSE to use.

    JohnnyDanger ,

    I think it’s time to create a lemmy version of r/subredditdrama!!!

    OceanSoap ,

    So proud to be present and involved in history’s first lemmy app war. I’ll be telling my grandchildren about this some day.

    victron ,
    @victron@lemmy.world avatar

    Don’t forget the legend of the un-pooper and the beans can craze.

    boeman ,

    I miss the beans

    rockyrikoko ,

    …Those were the days

    Spliffman1 ,
    @Spliffman1@lemmy.world avatar

    The no poop challenge is legendary

    V4uban ,
    Serpent ,

    Have been using the Sync reddit app daily for years after paying a couple of quid to remove ads whenever I did that. Felt like a steal then and expensive now so, on balance, I’m comfortable having paid the ad randsome. I feel better knowing it all goes to the developer for his personal efforts.

    codemaster ,

    Paying is fine, it’s the SHIT TON OF THIRD PARTY TRACKERS they put in the app that worry me

    Rossel ,

    They get completely disabled if you pay, that’s the point. I haven’t got a single tracking ping on my PiHole, I bought adfree.

    codemaster ,

    My trust was already broken. These lemmy instances come free of charge, free of ads and free of trackers, and this pig of a dev comes around and pulls out an à la spez shenanigan and everyone praises him. He should be keelhauled. And the lemmy servers should block apps that insert ads unless they share profits. I’d be happy to pay for features that add to lemmy, not for features that were taken away. Fuck sync for lemmy. There, i said it

    Misconduct ,

    Feel better now?

    codemaster ,

    A lot better

    Invisinak ,

    I mean your name is “codemaster” where is your free to use lemmy app ? or do you expect to be paid for your coding efforts?

    codemaster ,

    Let me just bunch up some third party trackers and ads in a pretty UI and ask you for money real quick

    Rossel ,

    I’ll be waiting, let’s see if you measure to Sync.

    BeepStreet ,

    Go ahead then, we’re waiting…

    Rossel ,

    lmao

    thecodemonk ,

    Freeloader. Enjoy your free stuff off the backs of people doing all the work and paying all the bills.

    havokdj ,

    Freeloading, hmm?

    When was the last time you made a unprompted decision to donate to the Lemmy devs?

    angelorohit ,

    I’m confused. Are you suggesting a better way to monetize non-paying users or are you saying that the dev should make the app free for everyone to use without ads?

    codemaster ,

    He should not add anti-features where there are none and then ask for money to remove them. That’s just being an asshole. He should ask for money for good features that lemmy lacks, not turn Lemmy into Reddit

    kmkz_ninja ,

    “Anti-features” = 1 very obvious ad every time I load a new page.

    Stuka ,

    You need some perspective lmao

    Madison420 ,

    If they demand payment for third party dev they wouldn’t be free open source anymore, your argument is asinine. If you don’t want to use a paid app then don’t, stop acting like someone else doing it is in some way hurting you personally.

    havokdj ,

    Not getting into this argument because I personally don’t give a shit about the whole situation, but that isn’t really how FOSS works.

    The software itself is free, the servers themselves are a service however. That is not free, it may be free to US, but somebody is footing the bill.

    That being said, if the sync developer is developing an app for a platform that itself does not use ads and relies solely on donation, ethically speaking he should at least donate some of the profit to the Lemmy devs (even if just 1%), considering that the app DOES rely on their software and they themselves are not seeing any of those funds whatsoever. I have no problem with donations whatsoever, but keep in mind that it isn’t like sync is the greatest creation ever made and is totally self reliant, it 100% depends on Lemmy itself to function.

    Whether he does or not doesn’t matter to me because jerboa works perfectly fine for me, but that is just my .02. People are really getting way too fucking heated about this shit and seeing it start to infect spaces like shitpost is honestly turning me off to Lemmy.

    People are treating the app like the second coming of Christ FFS.

    Madison420 ,

    It is.

    Correct, the use of the service at the moment is free the fee l third party creators are charging for their service in development of that particular interface. They’re free to do that.

    Who says he doesn’t? You legit don’t know what deal they may or may not have, stop assuming.

    Bro it’s shit post… What standards are you holding it to here lol.

    No people are overdueing a joke as always on shit post and as usual people hop in and get way too serious about throwaway jokes.

    havokdj ,

    If he is donating, then he should tell people that he is donating. The whole idea of “if you tell people of your goodwill then you undid your goodwill” is stupid. Yes, you shouldn’t do something good with the expectation of a reward, but that’s different when you are selling a product.

    It’s not even just about goodwill, it is also about longevity of the platform.

    However, considering the facts that he is running ads and charging for ad-free access, I doubt he is donating by default unless he specifically mentions it.

    Also, I’m not holding any standard here, it’s just that like, shitpost is for actual shitposts. This isn’t a shitpost, it’s just starting another argument. It’s like the porn spam in /b/, there are other boards for that.

    It’s also not just here, I’m seeing boards everywhere popping up with this argument. It is getting old.

    Madison420 ,

    Why? What business is it to you and you’re not supposed to disclose charitable donation anyhow, it’s not to get credit.

    It’s open source, you could pay a dev today and they could leave today, pay doesn’t create production or lemmy wouldn’t exist in the first place.

    Why? Because you wouldn’t?

    It is a shit post moreso when crybaby’s go throwing tantrums over jokes, if you don’t like it ignore it and move on like a grown adult.

    Then go somewhere else dude, you’re complaining about the community at this point not the content.

    havokdj ,

    Yes, it’s not my business, I’ve stated that I don’t care about this argument several times. I simply gave my .02. If you are profiting off of a FOSS project, you should atleast feel obligated to donate some of that money to the devs.

    Why can’t you disclose donations (didn’t say anything about charity)? The entire point of charity isn’t supposed to “make you feel good” or make you seem better in the eyes of people, it is to support a project or cause at the end of the day, those are just side effects of donating.

    Your statement on open source software is not really how it works. Yes, a dev could leave today, A dev. You think Lemmy was made by a single dev? And even then, like you said it is OPEN SOURCE. Somebody will fork it, and they will be the new person that you can support. You should absolutely support your favorite FOSS devs because they essentially work a second job for free. Yes, pay doesn’t create production, but it DOES create incentive to keep working on a project, potentially full time if enough come in. You know, like what the sync dev is doing?

    If you can’t understand this, then I can’t understand your logic behind supporting sync.

    crybabys throwing tantrums over jokes

    Lol, what’s the joke here? Doesn’t seem like a joke to me. And you’re right, it IS a SHIT post, but this is a sub for shitposts. There is a difference you know.

    go somewhere else dude, complaining yadayadayada

    And which community exactly? The Sync community or the Lemmy community? All I said is that I’m fucking tired of seeing this stupid debate brought up everywhere (as I said, EVERYWHERE) by sync fanboys and sync haters. Those people are not the community, it’s LEMMY, not SYNC. There are communities specifically for this, go bitch and moan on those specific communities instead of infecting everything else with this ridiculous debate.

    Literally all I’m saying is that the sync dev is going to be making a pretty decent chunk of change for essentially making a Lemmy front end that works on your phone. I don’t understand how you can think that “it’s okay to pay to remove ads and tracking” to support the dev but not think the same for the Lemmy devs. They literally fall flat on each other, if you believe that the sync dev shouldn’t at his own will donate a miniscule amount of money to the project, that logic could be applied to the app itself? Why wouldn’t you just use another app? Why would you use an app that includes ads and trackers unless you paid to remove them, over one that does the exact same thing for free?

    People are getting way too heated over this. It is an app for fucks sake. If you are seriously this fanatical about a single app, you are terminally online and need to go outside. Even the 3rd party app debacle on reddit was less radical than this. I cannot even begin to understand the reasoning behind moving to Lemmy just to spend all of your time talking about an app, that you would normally use to talk about other things.

    unscholarly_source ,

    I mean… I personally do consider it the second coming of Christ 🤷

    havokdj ,

    More fanatical than arch users, that’s coming from one himself.

    unscholarly_source ,

    What if you’re both a fanatical sync user and an arch user?

    Because that’s me 🙋

    havokdj ,

    I’d say I’m still a fanatical arch (more Linux in general) user but I’ve learned to tone it down when it comes to trying to convert other people to using it.

    I’ve found the “sowing the seeds” approach to be better to converting people to the Linux master race.

    victron ,
    @victron@lemmy.world avatar

    Yeah, how come some nefarious people charge for a calendar app, if days are free!!?oneTurd D:<.

    /S

    Spliffman1 ,
    @Spliffman1@lemmy.world avatar

    Your irrationally emotional and crazed sounding response will actually encourage more people to use Sync, thanks bro

    explodicle ,

    Blargoroni! Whatever you do, don’t eat rotten vegetables, it’ll make you sick!!! Booga booga booga! I’m ca_raaaazy_!

    (Does this make you want to eat rotten veggies?)

    Spliffman1 ,
    @Spliffman1@lemmy.world avatar

    Spliffman1 ,
    @Spliffman1@lemmy.world avatar

    Your brain appears to be a rotten vegetable 😂

    explodicle ,

    This makes me want to eat brains

    codemaster ,

    Lemmy needs more drama. When all is perfect it’s too bland.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJdcwvmJ4fA

    PipedLinkBot ,

    Here is an alternative Piped link(s): piped.video/watch?v=FJdcwvmJ4fA

    Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.

    I’m open-source, check me out at GitHub.

    Spliffman1 ,
    @Spliffman1@lemmy.world avatar

    Actually maybe you have a point there you idiot lol

    Spliffman1 ,
    @Spliffman1@lemmy.world avatar

    And “keelhauled”, really? You are advocating violence and criticising somebody for doing an app that people can choose to get or not. It’s hard, no impossible, to take you seriously

    unscholarly_source ,

    How do I give more money than I already have to this pig of a dev who made the Lemmy experience so great to me and countless others such that it is now in the top 10 social apps on the Play store?

    wildcardology ,

    Wait… you pay for sync not to spy on you?

    I hope boost doesn’t go the same way.

    bluejay ,
    @bluejay@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    I paid for Sync to toss some money to a dev responsible for the #1 used app on any of my phones for the last 10 years. I paid a criminally low amount back then for how much I used the app.

    It happened to also come with ad removal, but I block those and trackers on my network anyway.

    victron ,
    @victron@lemmy.world avatar

    Sync is no spying no shit, google ads spy as much as they do in any other site or app you use

    Rossel ,

    Not Sync directly, it’s AdMob and Google. And I paid mainly to support LJ for making one of my favorite apps ever, as I said, I have a PiHole

    uSirPatrick ,

    Dawg, I have Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, and a phone OS owned by Google… If sync spying on me is the worst part then I’m doing pretty good.

    I pay 2 bucks a month to show the dev I appreciate his hard work.

    itsJoelle ,

    If you own a Pixel you could always use GrapheneOS! It’s been wonderful on mine!

    PhillySaxon ,

    Graphene on my Fairphone is pretty great. I do use Sync though because it’s great 🙃

    min_fapper ,

    No NFC payments, sadly 😞

    okiokbar ,

    Let me get this right - you’re worried about tracking it use an Android phone?

    codemaster ,

    I’m running a custom ROM. Go back to your ecoshitstem apple fanboy

    timbuck2themoon ,

    That’s where I’m at. Don’t care that it’s not FOSS or the Dev charges. I just wouldn’t support an app that puts trackers and ads on a product that inherently doesn’t. Putting it behind a paywall wouldn’t bother me a bit.

    That said, that’s why I don’t use it nor support it but don’t give a shit if someone else does.

    stillwater ,

    So many people sound more like “What do you mean making a website costs more than $20?” types than they realize.

    fidodo ,

    Same. I’m very grateful for the FOSS options, they’re like a public option. They create a baseline that paid apps have to surpass, but there’s nothing wrong with devs getting paid for their work and that payment shouldn’t have to be at the whims of donations. I view it as more choice and more choice is good. This is a small dev on an open platform that can’t lock out FOSS options. It’s not a mega corp building a monopoly. Sync is not hurting anyone by being a paid option.

    urkindagood ,

    It’s not a mega corp building a monopoly. Sync is not hurting anyone by being a paid option.

    Wouldn’t they see this as a dev trying to make some fortune over non-profit service?

    Not sure though if the dev already automatically donates a portion of his sells to lemmy.

    sfgifz ,

    Wouldn’t they see this as a dev trying to make some fortune over non-profit service?

    On the other hand, I’d like to see how the donations to the non-profit are being utilized. At least with for-profit we know what’s what.

    BrooklynRage ,

    The way i look at is if you give me a good app(sync) with good functionality and a nice ui I don’t mind seeing ad’s or throwing some money the devs way.

    My big issue with the reddit app was there was no equivalent exchange going on i had a shitty app with awful ui that was buggy slow showed me adds and tracked my data I didn’t get anything from that so I had to stop.

    regular_human ,
    @regular_human@lemmy.world avatar

    And it’s a very high quality app, to boot. I’ve been a mobile software engineer for more than a decade and this level of polish doesn’t just happen by accident

    NeptuneOrbit , in Shitpost

    Well it had the most up votes! So clearly it was the most generally useful and true response in the whole thread!

    Norgur ,
    @Norgur@fedia.io avatar

    Because on Reddit (and here on Lemmy) people use up and downvotes exclusively to rate the quality of a post, not as a tool to show disapproval without having to be able to actually articulate why. I like when social interactions go exactly as intended - like in this case - and don't devolve into two people arguing with silent mobs behind them.

    /s for everyone who's as blind to sarcasm as this shitty AI from Google.

    NeptuneOrbit ,

    Humor IS a quality though. Human voters are able, in aggregate, able to award certain types of humor. Which an LLM is not able to. Which gets recycled with no context, as fact.

    The internet would be a vastly different place if sarcasm and in jokes were not regarded as a type of “quality” content.

    pory ,
    @pory@lemmy.world avatar

    Well, there’s an oddly existential argument to be made that “funny” AI answers like this or adding a pot of Elmer’s Glue to pizza sauce to get the cheese to stick are valued. Simply because those are the posts I’ve seen from Google AI, and I’ve never touched the feature myself.

    By letting a language “speaker” learn from Reddit and forums, we created an approximation of “that guy who thinks he’s a comedian” because that guy is always there and always drowns in upvotes. Clearly, he’s a valuable part of the discourse!

    kindenough , in Thomas Edison was the Elon musk of his era
    @kindenough@kbin.social avatar

    What is the similarity between Musk and Edison?

    They both fucked over Tesla

    Melatonin ,

    This i like

    BedSharkPal ,

    I can’t believe this is the first time I’ve heard this.

    DadVolante ,
    @DadVolante@sh.itjust.works avatar

    According to Tesla’s autobiography, he said very good things about Edison.

    havokdj ,

    He just didn’t understand their american humor

    VirtualOdour ,

    Yeah people are desperate to believe ‘Edison evil, Tesla jesus’ it’s so weird. I get that it was like a cool fact online twenty years ago but there have been so many actual historical documentaries showing how complex and interesting the real story was.

    Truth is neither of them invented anything from scratch, - AC generators, motors (useless), transformers, and lights were in use before Tesla even began his big invention. He was a name in a long list of people who worked together understanding the newly emerging field of electronics - if Westinghouse or Barrington had made outrageous claims to allure conspiracy theories then they might have got the Tesla treatment by thy internet instead and we’d only hear of Tesla in the science museum while they’d be regarded at saintly heros of science.

    I like Tesla but there are so many interesting stories

    Trainguyrom ,

    if Westinghouse or Barrington had made outrageous claims to allure conspiracy theories then they might have got the Tesla treatment by thy internet instead and we’d only hear of Tesla in the science museum

    Hey now, you get to hear about Westinghouse plenty in the railroad museums. A variation of the Westinghouse brake design is still in use on modern trains to this day

    AppleTea ,

    electrocuting an elephant to death, and for no better reason than tabloid advertising, kind of stands out in the historical record

    that’s not to say Edison was PURE EVIL, just that I always remember the elephant alongside the more humanizing factoids. [Once, he asked a math student to find the volume of a lightbulb. The student started doing all kinds of caliper measurements and geometry calculations. Edison just filled the bulb with sand and tipped it out into a measuring cup]

    VirtualOdour ,

    Except in realityit seems he was against the elephant being killed but said electrocution would be more humane than the hanging which had happened to ‘murderous mary’, his opinion being something the aspca also supported.

    The assholes in this story are the themepark owners that upon being unable to sell Topsy decided to kill her as a spectacle to gain publicity, A previous attempt elsewhere to electrocute an elephant had failed so they also used other measures. They poisoned her. Electrocuted her and strangled her with a steam powered winch.

    They did use locally supplied power from the Edson Co but this was because it was a decade after war of the currents and Edison was the main supplier of AC to NYC, they certainly weren’t trying to promote its danger. Plus he no longer owned that company, he’d sold to GE and it still used his name.

    The Edison film company did film it but again no evidence the man himself was involved, they filmed short clips of specticals and news events which could be viewed in a slot machine. It’s upsetting but people were a lot less caring about animals back then, it wasn’t especially shocking that this happened or was recorded.

    oldGregg , in Redditor when women

    Fake + gay

    Women are a rumor

    ZeroCool ,

    Top 5 Creatures of Folklore according to Redditors:

    • Chupacabra
    • The Jersey Devil
    • Bigfoot
    • Mothman
    • Women on the internet
    TommySalami ,

    Don’t even have mothman as number 1, what are they even doing. That bizarre being is a hero, and he deserves respect.

    LemmysMum ,

    They said folklore, not legend.

    TheDarksteel94 ,

    There are no women on the internet. Men are men, women are men, and children are FBI agents.

    Annoyed_Crabby ,

    Where is Spezmen?

    Zoidsberg ,
    @Zoidsberg@lemmy.ca avatar

    Women were invented by plumbers to sell more public bathrooms

    originalfrozenbanana , in jd vance

    Just so we’re a hundred percent clear anyone can wear makeup and shaming someone for doing it is fucking gross.

    Shaming them for being hypocrites is chill tho

    PP_BOY_ ,
    @PP_BOY_@lemmy.world avatar

    Makeup and makeup companies promote unhealthy beauty standards and are responsible for a disproportionate amount of microplastics. No one should wear makeup

    originalfrozenbanana ,

    I used to think that and tell my wife that. She told me she wears makeup to feel all sorts of things: strong, assertive, sexy, dignified, powerful, invisible, whatever. Who am I to tell her she shouldn’t use eyeliner to feel strong when she’s got a big meeting at work? If you like makeup live your life

    PP_BOY_ ,
    @PP_BOY_@lemmy.world avatar

    Sounds like smokers who say that cigarettes calm them down.

    Smoking doesn’t relieve anxiety, not smoking creates it. Same thing applies for people who say they feel unattractive w/o cosmetics.

    Outside of something like art performances, there’s no reason for anyone to ever wear makeup

    captainlezbian ,

    As someone who militantly refuses to wear it to work, I appreciate it as an artistic and stylistic choice. It’s never a tool to hide my face or imperfections but rather to express myself at times. And yes sometimes it makes me feel powerful, much in the same way a dress cut just right for my body makes me feel powerful or wearing steel toe boots into a business meeting makes me feel powerful.

    The problem is the expectation of it. If you can’t treat people with respect whether or not we wear it that’s on you.

    HeyThisIsntTheYMCA ,
    @HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world avatar

    I only use all natural whale oil makeup I’m not complicit

    BestBouclettes ,

    People have been wearing and using make-up well before capitalism and make-up companies were even a thought in people’s brains. It’s just a thing humans do, and that’s okay.

    HowManyNimons ,

    Not sure we can shame people with a furniture kink either. Funny though.

    alquicksilver ,
    @alquicksilver@lemmy.world avatar

    As someone who has both worn makeup and grinded against furniture in my time, I consent to you making fun of JD Vance for whatever you want.

    Korne127 ,
    @Korne127@lemmy.world avatar

    That’s… not how any of this works. With that logic, any gay person can just say “yo, you can be homophobic, I consent”.

    EleventhHour ,
    @EleventhHour@lemmy.world avatar

    As a gay person, I disagree

    Korne127 ,
    @Korne127@lemmy.world avatar

    …okay? If you’re alone with other people, you can tell them that you’re fine with them being homophobic. But in a public space, you’re not the only gay person, and just because it’s okay for you doesn’t mean it’s okay for everyone, so you can’t just say that it’s okay.

    alquicksilver ,
    @alquicksilver@lemmy.world avatar

    Look again at the community you’re in 😂

    PP_BOY_ ,
    @PP_BOY_@lemmy.world avatar

    Yeah, I kinda hate the types of comments that you replied to. “As an x-person, you can make fun of this person for doing x thing.” That’s a really bad precedent to set, kinda like black people having blanket “n-word passes” to give out to white people

    Korne127 ,
    @Korne127@lemmy.world avatar

    Yeah. Even if it doesn’t hurt you, you’re not the only person existing. And it can hurt other people in the same minority, you don’t just get to say that it’s fine for everyone.

    EleventhHour ,
    @EleventhHour@lemmy.world avatar

    Sigh…

    Seconded

    originalfrozenbanana ,

    Ok first of all there is ZERO evidence that JD Vance has EVER reached completion in the cushiony embrace of a chaise lounge

    NONE

    xavier666 ,

    I heard there was a glove involved in the incident

    HowManyNimons ,

    I heard he was in a Roche Bobois carpark when it allegedly didn’t happen.

    PP_BOY_ ,
    @PP_BOY_@lemmy.world avatar

    There’s plenty of furniture I’d fuck. Check out the shibari lights by bomma

    HowManyNimons ,

    Sigh…

    *unzips

    kamenlady ,
    @kamenlady@lemmy.world avatar

    Love the designers name: Kateřina Handlová

    solsangraal ,

    it’s not the mascara itself that people are bashing. it’s the wearing mascara while being in the party of mEn CaNt WeAr MaKeUp\

    republicans aren’t saying anything because they’re too busy racisting his non-white wife

    originalfrozenbanana ,

    Yeah shame them for being hypocrites but not people for wearing makeup. If you like makeup that’s cool

    TexasDrunk ,

    Can I make fun of him for how poorly he’s wearing it? Honestly, he ain’t wearing it. It’s wearing him.

    tiefling ,

    It’s the most basic eyeliner. Doesn’t even have a hint of cats eye. Smh.

    TexasDrunk ,

    He ain’t got the confidence to rock it like a real man.

    Fedizen , (edited )

    I have to say the mascara is probably the coolest thing about him. Everything else about this guy is absolute dogshit. DeSantis was destroyed by his own base for using heel shoes. It would be funny if Vance got annihilated by MAGA for being a “makeup wearing soyboy” and not being an empty vessel for corruption and political donors who will say and do anything for power

    Maggoty ,

    Yeah this is the guy going after people who wear make up. So I’m absolutely going to make fun of him wearing way too much.

    originalfrozenbanana ,

    I agree he’s a piece of shit, so why not make fun of the things he’s a piece of shit for and not “lol he’s a BOY who wears MAKEUP and is mean to other BOYS who wear MAKEUP!” It’s a bad look for a group of people who don’t want to be, you know, bigots.

    Maggoty ,

    Okay but that’s pretty reductionist.

    originalfrozenbanana ,

    What? It’s LESS reductionist than just criticizing the makeup wearing alone

    Maggoty ,

    He’s not a schoolyard bully.

    thorbot ,

    Take your smug self righteousness and give it to someone who deserves it. This piece of shit would attack anyone who claims that he wears makeup even though he does. It’s not about the makeup. It’s about the turd that’s wearing the makeup

    originalfrozenbanana ,

    Then make fun of the turd and not the makeup? There’s plenty to make fun of. Why are you mad that you don’t get to be a bigot even when the target of your bigotry is a piece of shit?

    thorbot ,

    You sure do love the smell of your own farts

    originalfrozenbanana ,

    Cool

    Napain OP ,

    i liked this meme because it can be read as celebratory if you are chill, like we are, but also as mocking, if you are a biggot, like his voterbase. so win win

    originalfrozenbanana ,

    Idk I find all the memes mocking closeted or queer presenting republicans for being closeted or queer presenting pretty gross. A bunch of people who are suffering because they can’t be out is sad, not funny, to me. Even if those people suck. I can still hate the parts that suck and feel sympathy for the parts that don’t.

    modeler ,

    It is terribly sad - they must live in a world of hurt.

    However so many of these people actively try to hurt LGBTQ+ and trans people by inciting hate and changing laws to harm the non-straight. In particular they have been preaching that being gay/trans equates to being a child molester. This is horrific and needs to stop. Exposing the hypocrisy is essential to reducing the harm they are inflicting to real people right now

    originalfrozenbanana ,

    Fine, then mock them for being hypocrites. So much of the criticism is shit like the Grindr search volume in Milwaukee. What’s the joke - a bunch of gay people came to Milwaukee? They can’t be out? They aren’t who you’d think you were? It’s not funny if you apply it to some other group. It wouldn’t be funny if Republicans made the same comment about the DNC convention.

    If you want to mock someone for being a hypocrite, mock them for being a hypocrite. JD Vance sucks in part because he’s a hypocrite, because he wears makeup while criticizing people who don’t adhere to gender norms. To just criticize the makeup alone is not good enough to expose the hypocrisy.

    razorwiregoatlick ,
    @razorwiregoatlick@lemmy.world avatar

    Are we 100% sure he is wearing makeup or is this unconfirmed like the rumor saying “JD Vance fucked a couch”

    Mediocre_Bard ,

    He definitely did not fuck a couch and is certainly not banned from Ikea for fucking a Friheten.

    BackOnMyBS ,
    @BackOnMyBS@lemmy.autism.place avatar

    And if he did fuck a couch, that’s 100% okay. No kink shaming either.

    db2 , in Not happening, dude

    Gotta give the (probably imaginary) recruiter credit for a classy response though.

    theotherone ,
    @theotherone@kbin.social avatar

    I’d imagine they swap creative blow-offs for laughs, like any job.

    Track_Shovel OP ,

    Man, I haven’t been blown off in a while…

    RadicalEagle ,

    Let alone creatively.

    Zeppo ,
    @Zeppo@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Military would be a great place to start looking.

    Zehzin , (edited )
    @Zehzin@lemmy.world avatar

    I’ll get blown for crack before I get blown for the military

    snootchiebootchies ,

    I SEEN HIM

    RidderSport ,

    I have been told that the chances are high in the Navy, so I went. Can’t confirm though

    Honytawk ,

    Chances are higher in the US Army, they get a whole buffet of sheep when they are deployed.

    RidderSport ,

    But that only strenghtens the aptitude of sodomistic practices and not necessarily in being gay

    Zeppo ,
    @Zeppo@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Can neither confirm or deny?

    RidderSport ,

    I plead the 5th your honour

    nonfuinoncuro ,
    Ithral ,
    @Ithral@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Was Navy can confirm, many orgies

    olutukko ,

    this actually was in mildly infuriating a while back from the original screenshotter, complaining abouth the fact that the army reqruiters can do this trough messaging apps. so I think it’s very real

    alphapuggle ,

    Can confirm they’re real as well as the reaction https://programming.dev/pictrs/image/cbbb0f6a-86fc-4c22-a8a4-5b71707658bf.png

    bl_r ,

    I need this shirt

    brygphilomena ,

    My GF would kill me if I wore it, however much I love the shirt. She was army reserves for 8 years. She is so happy to be out though now. She was deployed to Kuwait and Afghanistan. She’s officially VFW with all the VA benefits. But yea, totally one weekend a month, lol.

    sp3tr4l ,

    I think its originally real, but this image is old to me. Pretty sure I’ve been seeing this one place or another for at least a year now.

    Madison420 ,

    They’re usually dudes who got bumped there for being injured, for being psyched, or being incompetent but well meaning. Don’t be mean to them, they legit don’t want to do what they’re doing they know how stupid and shitty it is but they still have time left in contract and gotta trudge it out day by day like the rest of us.

    Mnemnosyne ,

    Some of them, sure, but there are a lot of stories of how many lies recruiters will tell you to get you to sign on, so a pretty significant number are genuinely bad people.

    Madison420 ,

    They have quotas blame the system not the consequences.

    TechNerdWizard42 ,

    If they weren’t conscripted via draft, they volunteered. 100% their shitty choice to become a terrorist.

    nickwitha_k ,

    Good to remember that not everyone is aware of the bullshit by 17 or 18 when recruiting is at its height (gotta pay for college somehow, right?). I know I wasn’t but, luckily planned to do ROTC instead of enlisting, then, educated myself out of being willing to do that.

    TechNerdWizard42 ,

    If “ignorance isn’t an excuse” doesn’t get you out of any law you break, it also doesn’t get you out of accidentally joining a terrorist organization due to propaganda.

    Because that’s exactly what it is.

    It is no different than the teenagers that join ISIS. Propaganda takes them in, they join voluntarily, they live with their consequences for life.

    ZMoney ,

    They are usually uneducated and poor with trauma in their backgrounds. They have no idea what they’re signing up for.

    TechNerdWizard42 ,

    This is an acceptable excuse in 1902.

    In the age of Google and where even the homeless bum down by the river has a smart phone, Googling to find out about a major life choice is easy to do. Failure to help yourself do nothing but use a phone for 10 minutes deserves zero empathy.

    Madison420 ,

    The average income of a enlistee is below the poverty line, if you can’t get a job you can get your ass in the military and make enough to survive.

    You act like every life choice is binary.

    BigBananaDealer ,
    @BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee avatar

    it was 100% your shitty choice to become homeless. maybe dont get cancer and be in debt to medical bills next time dumbass

    Madison420 ,

    I’m not homeless or in debt of any kind. Get fucked with your bigoted fucking blanket statements dude.

    BigBananaDealer ,
    @BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee avatar

    you should read my comment again but in a tone mocking the comment you responded to originally

    Madison420 ,

    That’s what /s is for.

    If you act a certain way don’t be surprised if people treat you a certain way.

    BigBananaDealer ,
    @BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee avatar

    not surprised at all actually, but /s ruins jokes. i know what comes with the territory of not using /s thats why i very politely asked you to reread the comment

    Madison420 ,

    Which I imagine is specifically why you don’t use it.

    BigBananaDealer ,
    @BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee avatar

    because it ruins jokes? yes

    Madison420 ,

    That’s literally when to use it, it’s specifically to use when you could come off like an asshole and do not want to.

    You don’t use it in my best guess judging by your responses so far is because you get to act like the other person is crazy for taking you seriously.

    Being the guy that jokingly hates Jews can be hilarious especially if they are Jewish but everyone has to know otherwise they might seem a bit… Mmm Hitlery right?

    BigBananaDealer ,
    @BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee avatar

    im dont think youre crazy. i dont think my responses ever indicated that youre crazy, i think youre just embarrassed to have made a response so harsh only to be found it was in agreement toward your original reply, and are now trying to make me seem crazy for not putting an /s. if youd like, i can edit my comment to ensure everybody knows its just a joke 😀

    Madison420 ,

    No need to edit if you skip the drama creation and out the /s there first bud. Move on.

    rambling_lunatic ,

    Why not blame both?

    Madison420 ,

    For the same reason I don’t get upset at the drive through server when the cook makes my burger wrong. They’re just part of the process, not the cause it’s kinda hard to judge people for trying to survive.

    rambling_lunatic ,

    On the other hand, the policing system encourages screwing over minorities and doing various other scummy things (through a quota system among other things). This does not absolve cops of guilt if they target minorities, lie, or plant drugs.

    cro_magnon_gilf , in The Peasant Life

    Source: your ass

    burntbutterbiscuits ,

    Did someone say ass pennies?

    gnutrino ,

    I mean, the actual source for this statistic is usually “The Overworked American: The Unexpected Decline of Leisure” by Juliet Schor who in turn got the number from an unpublished paper written by Gregory Clark in 1986. Clark did eventually publish a paper in 2018 where he increased his estimate to 250-300 days (which may still be less than some modern workers work).

    lugal ,

    And also: this was before the 8h day. People worked until they were done which was sometimes much more but on average less

    Holyhandgrenade ,
    @Holyhandgrenade@lemmy.world avatar

    Farming peasants worked pretty much from sunrise to sunset, sometimes even longer. If you count the number of hours the average medieval peasant worked in a year, it was probably a lot more than we do now.

    Daft_ish , (edited )

    You guys know a lot about medieval peasants. Which peasantry school did yall go to?

    Holyhandgrenade ,
    @Holyhandgrenade@lemmy.world avatar

    I weant to Peasantville, there’s a documentary on it if you’re interested

    bingbong ,

    Peasantwarts School of Peasantcraft and Peasantry

    blanketswithsmallpox ,

    Somewhere in Broward county to be sure.

    lugal ,

    Feudal lords, insofar as they worked at all, were fighters—their lives tended to alternate between dramatic feats of arms and near-total idleness and torpor. Peasants and servants obviously were expected to work more steadily. But even so, their work schedule was nothing remotely as regular or disciplined as the current nine-to-five—the typical medieval serf, male or female, probably worked from dawn to dusk for twenty to thirty days out of any year, but just a few hours a day otherwise, and on feast days, not at all. And feast days were not infrequent.

    David Graeber, Bullshit Jobs 2018

    PersnickityPenguin ,

    I worked on a farm down in the Central valley in California about 15 years ago, and all the Hispanic people worked from 5:00 a.m. to noon and that was it. They were done for the day. And this is modern society!

    lugal ,

    5 to 12 is still 7h, which is almost the usual 8h day but still a good thing

    jaybone ,

    Well 250 days a year is a five day work week for 50 weeks. So that’s pretty much the same thing we do today.

    Kusimulkku ,

    And much more for some

    cro_magnon_gilf ,

    Idk man, somebody else having made a similar wild claim doesn’t mean that OP or the memes creator had a source at all.

    geissi ,

    There is quite the difference between 150/365 and 300/365.
    One is about 3/7 the other 6/7 and now look at today when most of us work 5/7 on a normal workweek.

    huginn ,

    261 days is working every single week 5 days a week.

    Most modern “middle class” jobs (which, to be fair, are increasingly scarce) don’t work 52 weeks a year with 0 holidays.

    Peasants worked sunup til sundown 250-300 days a year.

    Life fucking blew as a peasant.

    AutistoMephisto ,
    @AutistoMephisto@lemmy.world avatar

    Yes, but let’s do a breakdown of the average day in the life of a Medieval European peasant. Let’s assume it’s a standard 8hr day for a male serf aged 15-20 years.

    Sun comes up, start the day with perhaps a half hour for breakfast, another half hour for prayer, depending on the day, then it’s out to the fields for 3-4 hours work, which was dependent on the particular produce of the farm where he worked and the season. Livestock tended to, fields plowed, that sort of thing. Then an hour for evening prayer and supper, perhaps some beer with the lads at the tavern before sun down.

    Another thing you’re forgetting is that we measure time completely differently than they did in Medieval Europe. I’ll let David Graeber, of “Bullshit Jobs” explain:

    Human beings have long been acquainted with the notion of absolute, or sidereal, time by observing the heavens, where celestial events happen with exact and predictable regularity. But the skies are typically treated as the domain of perfection. Priests or monks might organize their lives around celestial time, but life on earth was typically assumed to be messier. Below the heavens, there is no absolute yardstick to apply. To give an obvious example: if there are twelve hours from dawn to dusk, there’s little point saying a place is three hours’ walk away when you don’t know the season when someone is traveling, since winter hours will be half the length of summer ones. When I lived in Madagascar, I found that rural people—who had little use for clocks—still often described distance the old-fashioned way and said that to walk to another village would take two cookings of a pot of rice. In medieval Europe, people spoke similarly of something as taking “three paternosters,” or two boilings of an egg. This sort of thing is extremely common. In places without clocks, time is measured by actions rather than action being measured by time.

    huginn ,

    The 8 hour workday is a very modern invention.

    Farmers have always worked 12+ hour days, starting before dawn to feed animals and ending their days with the sun going down, serfs we’re no different. Once they were done with farm labor at sundown they worked at home on anything that needed mending for the next day, ate boiled veggies and then went to bed.

    Farming is a way of life where you dance a razor’s edge. You don’t have the luxury of time not working.

    AutistoMephisto ,
    @AutistoMephisto@lemmy.world avatar

    The 8 hour workday is a very modern invention.

    I’ll concede that point. And I’d like to add that the modern clocks as we know them are also a very modern invention. Farmers in Medieval Europe certainly did not have a device in their homes which chimed the hour with regular and exact precision. The closest equivalent they would have had were clock towers, starting about the fourteenth century, funded by local merchants guilds. It was these same merchants who were in the habit of keeping a human skull in their offices as a memento mori, reminding them to make good use of their time, as each chime of the clock brought them one hour closer to death. There were no time clocks which a serf could use to punch in or out of work for the day, no payroll and accounting department in the employ of the local lord to keep track of all hours worked, etc. Time was not a grid against work could be measured because the work was the measure itself.

    PersnickityPenguin ,

    What is a peasant farmer doing during the winter when nothing is growing?

    huginn ,

    Depends on the area but they were constantly busy. Warm seasons were 7 days a week sunup til sundown.

    For the cold seasons:

    • Wheat and barely were sown in the winter so that when spring showed up the crops sprouted and grew quickly
    • Logging/forestry work as well as trapping
    • Mending of tools, spinning of wool/flax into usable fabrics
    • Weaving baskets/clothes etc
    • Processing of slaughtered game into foodstuffs
    • Processing & protection of food stores
    • Repairs to your house
    • Ice fishing to augment stores of food
    • Building and fixing fences
    • Distilling and pickling foods
    • Generally anything that improves your chance of survival

    And of course:

    Hoping and praying that they had enough food to not starve to death.

    Cheesus ,

    The church wasnt why peasants worked less. They worked less because there wasn’t that much work to be done. During the slow season, there just isn’t enough work to justify paying a peasant to work.

    TheChurn ,

    paying a peasant to work

    Peasants (serfs) were not paid. They were bound to the land they worked, and were given a fraction of the harvest they produced. The rest was property of the Lord who's title controlled the land.

    There was a (very small) artisan class where the concept of payment existed, though often it was payment-in-kind - smith the plow for my oxen and I'll give you some food after the harvest. Money was rarely encountered for the vast majority of people.

    Sheeple ,
    @Sheeple@lemmy.world avatar

    What a surprise, capitalism is a relatively new system

    jaybone ,

    Lol is this the tankie take on the above story? You think that sounds like some kind of paradise?

    Historical_General ,

    Can you elaborate on your assumptions and why he might assume it’s a paradise?

    jaybone ,

    He brings up capitalism out of the blue, for no reason whatsoever, in response to a post about serfdom. With a sarcastic “what a surprise.” Is he implying serfdom is preferable to capitalism?

    Sheeple ,
    @Sheeple@lemmy.world avatar

    Not out of the blue. Just summarizing what the person above me said in a captain obvious way.

    Also I’m a woman so she/her please.

    Historical_General , (edited )

    Well, everybody knows capitalism rose out of feudalism in Europe. @ Cheesus briefly mentions it too.

    The sarcasm is a response to the universal assumption that money and wages were always had universally. But @ TheChurn says very few were paid and those were rare.

    Reminder: the soviets ran a state-capitalist system. That’s not very feudalist.

    I think you’ve misunderstood her quite a bit. Happens a lot on here lol.

    Sheeple ,
    @Sheeple@lemmy.world avatar

    Thank you you worded it better than I could have.

    Also “Her” if ya don’t mind. Am just a woman ^~^. I know it isn’t really relevant or important but pronoun preferences

    Sheeple ,
    @Sheeple@lemmy.world avatar

    Lmao on what planet am I a tankie

    Daft_ish ,

    How else are you going to rile up discontent toward left ideology unless you’re constantly accusing people of being an extremist?

    Cheesus ,

    You’re right they were not paid money, but they arguably were provided more goods for their services starting in the 15th century. In western Europe.

    Eastern and Western Europe behaved very differently when it came to serfdom. Serfdom, as you described it, began to decline starting in western Europe in the 15th century and was pretty much gone by the 17th century. Meanwhile Eastern Europe started a rise in serfdom as you described it in the 16th century.

    Serfs started to get better conditions thanks to the bubonic plague and increasing workers power over lords. In western Europe they were paid a higher share of the crop as a result. They still had a bad life overall, but it got ever so slightly better.

    The whole notion that they had 150 days off isn’t even necessarily accurate either because record keeping is so bad from those eras on time worked. It’s not enough data to provide an accurate assessment of working hours.

    shalafi ,

    Yep. Farming is a bunch of “hurry up and wait”. Not that there wasn’t plenty of other work, but it only takes so long to feed the animals.

    XEAL ,

    “My source is that i made it the fuck up”

    zik ,

    It’s from a famous paper. Linked by gnutrinto elsewhere in this thread,

    Signtist , in stop asking for a karma system
    @Signtist@lemmy.world avatar

    Did people actually change what they’d say based on whether or not they thought they’d get upvotes? I always just said what I wanted and used the karma to determine how popular of an opinion it was, so pretty much exactly how Lemmy works now. I don’t think I ever looked at my overall account karma on Reddit.

    awesome_person OP ,

    Yes, people definitely did. Maybe not a majority but a lot

    Sendpicsofsandwiches ,
    @Sendpicsofsandwiches@sh.itjust.works avatar

    That and also many subs wouldn’t allow people to participate if they didn’t have a high enough karma

    ArbiterXero ,

    That was used as a crude spam filter against bots and new accounts

    47_alpha_tango ,
    @47_alpha_tango@lemmy.zip avatar

    Absolutely. People thought karma actually meant something.

    ericisshort ,

    I mean, it kind of does mean something small, which is credibility. Karma wasn’t ever a flawless way to determine credibility, but it was a decent first pass, like an online ocular patdown.

    Rodeo ,

    Uh, no. Lol

    It maybe showed popularity. But it was frequently manipulated.

    Buddahriffic ,

    Example: replace this entire comment with a portion of a highly upvoted comment below from this same thread, combine that with an official experience that only shows one or two top level comments and those copies can also get lots of upvotes. Reddit was rife with these kinds of bots.

    DarkMatter_contract ,

    In ideal situation downvote should not be used for disagreeing but topic relevant and quality. In ideal situation…

    Shardikprime ,

    Bro I’ve never for a second thought that gallowboob had any credibility whatsoever and the motherfucker had like, all the KARMA

    ericisshort ,

    You’re completely missing my point. I’m not saying you should worship the guy, but he has more credibility than a troll with negative karma or a 3 month old tshirt bot with a few hundred karma from plagiarized comments.

    Shardikprime ,

    Both those cases have 0 credibility from any sensible person as they are functionally equivalent

    Vespair ,

    Hi I’m necrocommenting this old comment, sorry.

    You’re conflating post karma and comment karma. Post karma is shit and almost everyone on reddit with super high post karma is awful. Comment karma however is often a decent measure of credibility. The problem is people conflate the two, or worse, inappropriately value post karma over comment karma.

    Diprount_Tomato ,
    @Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world avatar

    Karma did limit where and how frequently you could post

    BembelSommelier ,
    @BembelSommelier@feddit.de avatar

    And that makes sense to some degree. I used to mod a large community on re**it and usually rage bait/flaming/troll accounts got filtered out by our automod which was set to 50 karma iirc. Most communities that use a karma filter have it set really low so farming a lot of karma is really unnecessary

    nuke ,

    Y’all act like that can’t happen on Lemmy. The total score is already visible via API. Nothing’s stopping a community from running a bot that auto removes anyone below a threshold. It’s entirely possible right now to write that code.

    schmidtster ,

    The biggest issue in some places was, even if your opinion is valid, if it didn’t fit the group speak, it would be downvoted regardless.

    It wasn’t really a great indicator if your opinion was popular or not, it was more if it got that groups niche.

    blanketswithsmallpox ,
    @blanketswithsmallpox@kbin.social avatar

    wasn’t really a great indicator if your opinion was popular or not, it was more if it got that groups niche.

    ... That's called popular opinion lol.

    Of course it matters where you say something. It's literally no different than IRL.

    schmidtster ,

    If I’m on Reddit it’s to Reddit, it’s not to change my vocabulary and content to fit each individual subreddits niche.

    Imagine being in a country bar and a table only wants to talk about and listen to rap music. The rest of the place shouldn’t have to bend to their will or create some safe place for them.

    nuke ,

    There’s an old saying to “read the room”. It’s the same online and offline. The reaction you get depends entirely on the audience present.

    Rodeo ,

    Reading the room is about the tone you set, not the words you say.

    People just don’t like hearing that they’re wrong, or that popular opinion is wrong. Questioning themselves makes people uncomfortable.

    irmoz ,

    The tone you set is dictated by the words you say.

    Shardikprime ,

    And the words you say are dictated by others potential opinions on what you said and the tone you said it

    schmidtster ,

    Yes, and Reddit as a whole should be the audience, not the Emos in the corner…

    obi_one ,

    Yep. I remember someone asking on a hiking sub about a backpack. It was a very fashionable and heavy canvas pack. I hike a good bit and have never seen a pack like that being used by others in the trails, so I said that I wouldn’t recommend that pack. I think it had like 30-40 down votes. I never gave my opinion on a pack again.

    Shardikprime ,

    Bro you are welcome to elaborate here I mean what can be so controversial about a fucking backpack

    obi_one ,

    Yeah right. I learned my lesson the first time. No more opinions from me.

    :)

    Shardikprime ,

    : C

    SapienSRC ,
    @SapienSRC@lemmy.world avatar

    Genuine question, and I don’t mean any disrespect, if down votes are intended to mean people disagree with you, and you don’t know these people, why did you care so much that you won’t share your opinion on things again? I’ve never understood this way of thinking. Maybe I’m just weird but I for the life of me can’t imagine caring that much about what strangers think.

    InvaderDJ , (edited )

    Did people actually change what they’d say based on whether or not they thought they’d get upvotes?

    I’d argue anyone who did that probably had nothing interesting to say and/or didn’t actually care about what they were saying. Same with the people who complained about downvotes.

    blanketswithsmallpox , (edited )
    @blanketswithsmallpox@kbin.social avatar

    /me watches some dude post hateful contrarian bullshit on a light hearted comic.

    "It's not even funny and this shit comic comic has been done before. Quit self promoting on reddit bitch!

    Edit: Why am I being down voted!? Fuck you know it's true! Mods temp banned me apparently. I don't care I'm never going to block her so I can always down vote!"

    Somehow everyone who commented on his parent comment has every comment in their profile down voted for the last 50 comments...

    Shardikprime ,

    Oh I remember those, wasn’t that the brigading train?

    darthelmet ,

    I didn’t. If anything I enjoyed the downvotes sometimes. Your downvotes mean nothing

    PipedLinkBot ,

    Here is an alternative Piped link(s): piped.video/5XtAHOepH94

    Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.

    I’m open-source, check me out at GitHub.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    I always thought it was amusing if I got into an argument with someone and they downvoted each of my comments before replying as if that meant something. Dude, I already get that you don’t agree with me. Why are you bothering?

    Rodeo ,

    That Rick quote is like the wojak where he’s got the smirking mask but is crying behind it. It always cracked me up when I saw people use it. If the downvotes mean nothing, why mention them at all?

    Shardikprime ,

    Good to remember I guess

    STRIKINGdebate2 ,
    @STRIKINGdebate2@lemmy.world avatar

    Yes. It can also trick you into thinking a reactionary opinion is actually a popular one. For example in my country, ireland, there’s been a few incidents were people of different nationalities have done unsavoury things caught on camera. This usually results of the comment section of the ireland sub to have a debate about whether there’s too many immigrants in the country. Whichever side gets more upvotes is widely perceived to have “won” and bystanders will in turn adopt that position.

    I don’t think I’ve ever changed an opinion of mine to go along with the hive mind but the karma system has definitely discouraged me from commenting things because I would been downvoted into oblivion. It’s not worth getting into arguments when you can clearly see people not siding with you.

    YolkBrushWork402 ,
    @YolkBrushWork402@kbin.social avatar

    I agree

    kwking13 ,

    Ah, c’mon downvoters…gotta keep some sarcasm alive at the same time!

    ChocoboRocket ,

    I’m fine being downvoted to oblivion by some anti-good astrotufing campaign, but it’s getting honest, legitimate opinions slid down and out of discussion that feels risky

    I’m definitely anti right wing, but that doesn’t automatically make the left right about everything.

    What is true about both sides is that some people just wanna look for a fight/argument and dehumanize their political ‘other’. It’s easy dopamine and righteous rage that drives engagement in every human.

    Any good faith comment that points this out in an argument and has credible examples is always worth its salt.

    I actually like finding out I’m wrong or my information is incomplete/outdated. I don’t care for unfounded opinions in myself or others regardless of how they make me feel!

    Touching_Grass ,

    It did the opposite for me. I see those threads in r/canada or other posts and I’d comment trying to get downvoted because I hated the circle jerking and manipulation of threads with cliché comment chains intent on being dog whistles. I hated karma and somehow ended up with a stupid amount of it.

    Lith ,
    @Lith@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    The big thing for me is that I’ve seen a lot of people say they’ve had their accounts stalked and harrassed for saying really mild things. With how many times I’ve read “I read your post history and…” over even the most mild disagreements, I absolutely believe this happens on a regular basis. Dropping an obviously unpopular opinion feels like an easy way to become a victim.

    riskable ,
    @riskable@programming.dev avatar

    I’ve had my account stalked! Right in the middle of it I switched from Kbin to Lemmy (so I could try out the apps) and had to inform my stalker about the new account.

    Frustrated and annoyed at having to look for my posts in many different places, they seem to have given up 🤷

    This is a clear win for the Fediverse! I was able to switch instances and get subscribed to all my previous communities in no time at all while this doubled up stalking efforts 👍

    can ,

    Whenever someone said they checked my post history I immediately considered it a victory and moved on.

    Touching_Grass ,

    Yea there’s some psycho’s out there. I picked a few up. Nothing really crazy from them and surprisingly most of them had poor infosec so I was never too concerned that they were anything to worry about. Really emotionally invested people who don’t like when they read things they disagreed with

    gimpchrist ,
    @gimpchrist@lemmy.world avatar

    That’s how I lost my three accounts and I have completely given up

    Steeve ,

    How does this system solve that? Comments still have vote counts and reactionary comments still make it to the top of threads, there’s just no visible count of total aggregated votes.

    Hopps ,
    @Hopps@lemmy.world avatar

    You’re correct, the entire system is already in place. The only thing that is currently missing is adding up all of someone’s ‘karma’ from their their posts and having it shown on their profile. Some of the apps already have this implemented since it’s easy to incorporate.

    orphiebaby ,
    @orphiebaby@lemmy.world avatar

    That’s not the only thing that’s missing. A total upvote count on my profile page wouldn’t be the problematic element that Reddit has. I would welcome a total upvote count on my profile page.

    generalpotato ,

    100%. I’d even be ok with getting rid voting mechanisms all together. The comment and responses to it should be indicative of it’s quality instead of some vague numerical value which somehow makes it better than the other because more people voted for it based on their own understanding on how a vote works.

    Discussions shouldn’t be about what’s popular. Social media has corrupted our ability to have intelligent discussions because non popular viewpoints aren’t entertained anymore and people with non popular viewpoints don’t want to contribute due to the retaliatory nature of likes/votes.

    It’s eroding our ability to reason and we need to stop it.

    EdibleFriend ,
    @EdibleFriend@lemmy.world avatar

    Interesting. How do you know this? That the bystanders looked at the upvotes and decided their opinion on immigration based on this? Were there polls or something?

    HawlSera ,

    That and the “hivemind” mentality Reddit encoruages often means you get power-tripping mods banning people, not for doing anything wrong, but for “Dissenting with the group”

    The average user is probably banned from a quarter of the site over shit like this.

    hoodatninja ,
    @hoodatninja@kbin.social avatar

    I think you are envisioning something a little more intentional/thought out than it is. We do this socially all the time. You gauge the audience and you adjust what you’re going to say to better fit it. Or to upset them if you’re trolling but that tends to be more deliberate.

    I bet if you took your comments from a hobby sub/forum/group/etc. you frequent, and then one from a meme community, you will find your tone and rhetoric are very different. And again this is not a bad thing! You are doing and saying what is appropriate for the context. It is very natural to do. But the point is you probably don’t sit down and calculate your exact wording. We just sort of do it, and our goal is generally to “fit in“ or get some affirmation from the community we are participating in.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    I certainly never have changed what I said based on popular opinion. If someone convinces me I’m wrong, I’ll admit it, but just people downvoting me because they don’t like what I have to say? Fine. That’s their prerogative.

    Lenins2ndCat ,
    @Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.world avatar

    I think the karma system on reddit had a real effect on behaviour. What you often found it did was cause people to write comments for the audience of voters instead of for the person they’re responding to. This eliminates personal interaction between users and turns everything into soapboxing. You stop having real conversations with each other, instead it becomes about pandering to votes.

    This then also causes people to vote based on this as well. “You’re not saying what the group wants to hear” downvote is the voting behaviour it creates.

    Shardikprime ,

    This so frigging much. People are not having conversations, they are posturing.

    It’s like going into a debate prepared for discussing ideas, and the other debater is going for discussing emotions.

    Truly fucked up and patently divisive

    Lenins2ndCat ,
    @Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.world avatar

    Yeah it’s annoying. Things are far more pleasant when people are actually talking to one another, it creates a more human interaction and you don’t get the kind of bad-faith engagement associated with trying to pander to votes. People self-censor far less as a result as well, aside from instance rules.

    Shardikprime , (edited )

    The weirdest part is the interactions, I swear to God people is hell bent on their conversations being pre-tainted with assuming the worst possible take on the others side.

    It’s like people can’t no longer have different thoughts on the matter without going full civil war in the comments

    Lenins2ndCat ,
    @Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.world avatar

    To be honest I’ve gotten used to that and have had that here with “you glorify Lenin blah blah blah 100gorillion deaths gommunism no food”. I think that’s a specific type of person issue.

    Shardikprime ,

    :/

    Guess it’s gonna take a while. I think it’ll never get used to it haha

    mryessir ,

    I agree but when a sincerly comment does not strive how I expected i delete it and take the thought about it to myself.

    Obviously I am wrong, then.

    You are right.

    Selmafudd ,

    The amount of deleted downvoted comments makes me think most people at least change their minds afterwards. Which to me is the real weird part, you hide your opinion so you don’t lose useless internet points…

    HawlSera ,

    Yes, and there’s a bit of psychology at play

    Reddit just shows one score on the post, it doesn’t show the exact upvote/downvote number. It’s easy to just say “Well everyone else voted this up/down, so I guess I will to”, it encourages group think, by design it’s meant to be an echo chamber.

    Imagine you have a divisive opinion, at the end of an hour you have 9 upvotes and 11 downvotes, so it’s at negative one. You’re gonna think you’re being ignored, and others will think you’re unpopular and just downvote you not reading it because it’s “What the group is doing”

    Reddit is fucking nightmare

    rbesfe , in We're going in the wrong direction

    YouTube is the worst with this, because they’ve even gone so far as to convert older videos under 1 minute to shorts. They weren’t uploaded as shorts, but now congratulations you can’t scrub through the video or share a timestamped link anymore.

    Daxter101 , (edited )

    I think there’s client sided stuff to do to solve that still, I’m 90% sure on my pc shorts open as normal videos due to an add-on I added a long time ago (the most popular for modding the look and feel of it, someone definitely can add it because I’m out of the house)

    EDIT: Someone who deleted their comment (saw the notification that stayed) got it right, it was Enhancer for YouTube. It’s the bees’ knees, very recommended for everything (except adblock, for that get uBlock origin)

    XTornado ,

    Yeah don’t have the name now but at least for Firefox there is an addon that just plays them as normal videos.

    morrowind ,
    @morrowind@lemmy.ml avatar

    I think it’s called YouTube shorts block

    Setarkus ,

    Hello, it’s me, the one deleting their comment :))

    I thought I’d be able to reply to that other comment of yours but it didn’t seem to work so I’ll just paste it here:

    Oh interesting, I pretty much instantly deleted my comment again because I remembered seeing that the shorts thing in the enhancer was only experimental and assumed it didn’t work well yet.

    Can’t find this comment of yours in the thread now but I can reply from the inbox :))

    anarchy79 ,
    @anarchy79@lemmy.world avatar

    Youtube Enhancer is my bet. There are others but that’s the most popular. Also removes ads but I’m not sure that works anymore. uBlock and GreaseMonkey with the git script is the way to go for ads, just as a public service announcement.

    sanpo ,

    They fucking what!?

    Anyway, the “Enhancer for YouTube” addon has an option to force a normal player for the shorts.

    creditCrazy ,
    @creditCrazy@lemmy.world avatar

    Now that you mention it I sometimes forget I have YouTube enhancer until I stop and remember oh wait YouTube isn’t normally monochromatic blue. Man I had too much fun redesigning my YouTube css.

    altima_neo ,
    @altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

    Firefox, right click, show video controls

    EmergMemeHologram , (edited )

    Has anyone noticed YouTube’s video compression has become much worse lately?

    I tried watching a video I’ve seen before and I felt like I stepped back into 2007 again. That same video wasn’t like that last year.

    trashgirlfriend ,

    Sometimes YouTube will bump you down to like 720p while still showing the quality as 1080p

    EmergMemeHologram ,

    I’m on gigabit fibre, so not sure why they would do that.I have noticed that though.

    What I’ve noticed is the resolution isn’t necessarily lower, but the amount of detail and texture is lower

    wischi ,

    They do that to save bandwidth and money. It’s not your bandwidth they are trying to save, it’s theirs because streaming so many videos to so many people costs money. So they are trying to be sneaky and use lower quality settings as often as possible to reduce cost.

    anarchy79 ,
    @anarchy79@lemmy.world avatar

    I wonder what the total of data transmission is for an average day on YouTube. It’s got to be in the petabytes.

    Buddahriffic ,

    I suspect that they can detect ad blockers in more cases than they try to block them. They could do that to “divert” the ad blocker/ad blocker blocker arms race. Assuming you’re blocking ads. If not, then it’s a moot point.

    anarchy79 ,
    @anarchy79@lemmy.world avatar

    I’m in IT and I find it annoying to have to update my scripts and such every time they push new anti-adblock measures. A friend of mine who is perfectly tech savvy has not bothered updating his and is getting ads on everything now.

    Just imagine the number of people who are completely clueless or are just so brainwashed used to ads that they don’t even care- I’d be surprised to find functioning ad blocking on over 15% or so on videos served on YouTube. Maybe 20% because that’s kind of the economic cut-off point for when it starts hurting and they do anything about it on Google’s part.

    Daxter101 ,

    Take this with a grain of salt because it’s what some guy on the internet (me) “remembers reading something about, once”, but adblock rates on the general internet, were around 3% or something similar (can’t be bothered, please look it up yourself)

    Therefore, I really wouldn’t hope for such an insane number as 15% on YouTube.

    We are not the primary users. Your uncles, aunts, nephews and nieces are. The shopkeeper in the corner store. Your teacher. Your 50 year old doctor.

    anarchy79 ,
    @anarchy79@lemmy.world avatar

    I felt 15% was exaggerated, but I honestly wouldn’t be surprised by your estimate at all either.

    creditCrazy ,
    @creditCrazy@lemmy.world avatar

    I’ve noticed that they also sometimes change the speed of a video. Always a slight change but an annoying amount

    Krauerking ,

    I would not be surprised at all if they are ramping up their compression algorithm to save additional bandwidth. Netflix has been feeling like that too. Blacks are a mess on both now. I get that it costs money but man you got to question where all of it is going for how much they make.

    tobbue ,

    Netflix definitely increased 1080p compression (or said better, nerfed it). 1080p even looks a little pixelated on my mobile phone now when it looked great on a PC monitor a few years ago.

    starman2112 ,
    @starman2112@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Yet another +1 in piracy’s favor. Never had a video I got through a 🧲 look like shit

    Perfide ,

    Yes. Auto is essentially the “720p or less but we’re gonna lie and say it’s 1080p still” option now. I’m constantly having to manually choose my resolution to get the full bitrate.

    Daxter101 ,

    YouTube Enhancer for the win. Or Revanced if you’re on Android.

    Chailles ,
    @Chailles@lemmy.world avatar

    It really makes their tests for the higher bit rate “1080p Premium” quality just seem like reducing the current 1080p and locking out the one we already had.

    EmergMemeHologram ,

    Are they actually doing that?

    XiELEd ,
    @XiELEd@lemmy.world avatar

    There was that whole controversy about the Wish trailers because of Youtube compression…

    yamapikariya ,
    @yamapikariya@lemmyfi.com avatar

    Revanced + disable shorts components

    XTornado , (edited )

    The timestamp no, but the scrub works. I think on TikTok creators could disable that, not sure if YouTube offer that.

    And the timestamp thing yeah… Although for so short videos to me is not that annoying. But yeah sucks.

    In any case can you share an example of this converted videos? I have never seen it.

    carl_the_grackle ,

    If you pause the video you can scrub by dragging the end of the bar. It’s terrible UX but it’s technically possible

    lobut ,

    OMG! I didn’t know that! Thank you! I’ve been having to watch videos again from the start when I accidentally navigate away.

    Granted it’s a short time frame but still.

    Drinvictus ,

    You don’t have to pause for this. I can just scroll from the thin red bottom bar

    anarchy79 ,
    @anarchy79@lemmy.world avatar

    The thin red line.

    bigdog_00 ,

    You can scrub shorts on mobile (might have to pause it first), but not desktop for some reason…

    misnina ,
    @misnina@lemmy.ml avatar

    It’s annoying, but you can covert the garbage at the end of like the youtube.com/shorts/afaftxsdds to youtube.com/watch?v=afaftxsdds and it’ll behave and be able to be interacted with like a normal video.

    arken ,

    Anyone wanna make a firefox plugin or something for this?

    anarchy79 ,
    @anarchy79@lemmy.world avatar

    I’d be very surprised if there aren’t a bunch already. Have you looked? This behavior doesn’t apply to any of my usecases so I wouldn’t know.

    Pazuzu ,

    Just /v/ in place of /shorts/ works

    creditCrazy ,
    @creditCrazy@lemmy.world avatar

    Considering you just have to change a word I wonder why did they implement the features that people want and lock it behind a word change. What am I saying thinking more about this is just making the mistake of assuming morons don’t exist.

    dual_sport_dork ,
    @dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

    Wait, even videos that aren’t in the vertical aspect ratio? I’ve got an 18 second video posted to Youtube and I’m going to be quite put out if they crop it and shart it out as a “short.”

    PenisWenisGenius , in App development

    Is it true that you can talk to women? I’ve never tried it before and I’m 32. I use Arch GNU+Linux btw. Also I’ve never been outside.

    danc4498 ,

    Yes, but I don’t recommend it

    danekrae ,

    I disagree. I do recommend using Arch.

    blanketswithsmallpox ,

    They call that Lordosis and I’ve only ever seen it happen when I showed one of the females my dual sli GTX 1080ti setup while benchmarking in Heaven. Getting her off my desk with her ass in the air is a pain but she apparently likes my hand going down her back and her ass patted. Getting her off my keyboard when I’m in the middle of a game can be a real pain sometimes…

    abfarid , (edited )
    @abfarid@startrek.website avatar

    Talking to women is no longer considered a best practice.
    Recommend upgrading to listening to women.

    Honytawk ,

    Yeah, it is real easy as well

    Just walk up to them and press “X”

    jettrscga ,

    It’s possible, but the feature isn’t supported on your OS.

    herrcaptain ,

    You can probably compile her yourself if you can’t find her in the AUR.

    UnderpantsWeevil ,
    @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

    I use Arch GNU+Linux btw.

    So does FitGirl, tho. And I guarantee she gets laid like crazy.

    Tyr_Raidho_Othala ,
    @Tyr_Raidho_Othala@reddthat.com avatar

    Certified pirate comment

    modifier ,

    Absolutely! In fact if you’re on Arch you may have a built in conversation starter by discussing your collection of thigh-highs and seeing where that takes you.

    Thcdenton , in 🤢...

    I bet they wash the poop knife in there too

    jaybone ,

    I was hoping this one would stay on the other site.

    Thcdenton ,

    The Poop Knife follows

    jaybone ,

    It’s like the snail curse of forums.

    Vespair ,

    For so long as the world continues to be a giant turd, the Poop Knife will be needed

    Angry_Maple ,
    @Angry_Maple@sh.itjust.works avatar

    I’m not sure I could forget that post if I tried. The same goes for the post about the “swamps of dagobah”.

    Thcdenton ,

    Had to look into that one. That’s real fuckin cool 😎

    kamen ,

    It’s an Internet phenomenon at this point, not just an othersitely one.

    Threeme2189 ,

    It sure is! I just wish I could remember where I first readit…

    PopMyCop ,

    It’s also an actual thing in reality… There’s a reason that it was mentioned in the way back beginning times, before the internet was e’er dreamed of. Thus it will never stop cycling into the mental workings of the internet. We must bow before its perpetuity.

    where_am_i ,

    I had to look up “poop knife”. I’m so glad I did

    kyle ,

    One of today’s lucky 10,000!

    iAvicenna ,
    @iAvicenna@lemmy.world avatar

    I also just learned what it is thanks to this topic, not disappointed

    awwwyissss ,

    Poop knife is too much, but toe knife is acceptable 👌🏾

    Lifebandit666 ,

    Have you considered a toe spoon instead?

    awwwyissss ,

    Wait do you say “meat cube” cause actually I could go for a meat cube

    empireOfLove , in Robbery

    Dobbery

    ThatWeirdGuy1001 ,
    @ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world avatar

    Master has given Dobby a glock!

    hakunawazo ,

    In this reality definitely.
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7AoK_ksv_s

    RGB3x3 ,

    Yes, if anyone is wondering, there’s a full-length version of this.

    lostxor.com/…/harry_potter_deathly_weapons.mp4

    hakunawazo ,

    Thank you. Small jokes like the letter from the NRA makes this even better.

    peopleproblems ,

    such a stupid joke but it got me every time

    Assman ,
    @Assman@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Harry Potter must not go back to prison

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