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FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Any moment now, the ‘don’t vote for Biden’ group will be in here telling us not to vote for Harris. And if it isn’t Harris, they’ll tell us not to vote for whoever it is.

Anything but stop the dictator and his plan to commit genocide against Latinos and queer people.

PythagreousTitties ,

I’m really hoping if Harris still has to be on the ticket that she’ll stay VP. It would be nice to have a decent prez option.

But I’ll be voting anti trump either way.

Hegar ,
@Hegar@fedia.io avatar

It would be nice to have a decent prez option.

It would also be nice not to live on a burning planet controlled by decrepit rich psychopaths but I don't think either of us will be getting what we want.

I'll still vote for whatever the democrats decide to run, of course, since minimizing or maximizing fascists' access to government is the only question on the ballot this election.

UltraGiGaGigantic ,

since minimizing or maximizing fascists’ access to government is the only question on the ballot this election

Why?

ToastedPlanet ,

I didn’t want to believe it but they’re already in the comments. We need to be vocal. Kamala is a great candidate.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Of course they are. They started when it was just rumored that Biden would drop out.

baronvonj ,
@baronvonj@lemmy.world avatar

‘Beating the Republican Fascist agenda’ is a great candidate. I don’t really care how that is spelled on the ballot.

Zachariah ,
@Zachariah@lemmy.world avatar

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/94f527ab-0972-44d3-bb20-4a449a055bf0.jpeg

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I’ll vote for virtually anyone the Democrats nominate to stop the genocidal dictator, but my first choice, of course, will always be-

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/8e944d30-b33a-4215-ad07-afe8248d8bbb.png

Lost_My_Mind ,

Alright, fuck it. I’LL run. I’m 40, nobody knows me so they don’t hate me, I think Hitler was bad, and I’ll let you guys smoke weed and keep your pronouns.

And for the republicans in the room, I’m not going to send anyone to take your guns. That sounds like a bad idea, that we already saw play out in Waco TX. Nobody wants that.

And for all the cats registered as undecided parties…meow meow meow meow meow. Meow meow MEOW MEOW MEOW!!! HISSS HISSSSS HISSSSSS clickclickclickclickclickclick…purrrr purrrr purrrr purrrrr purrrrrr.

And to all the mentally crazy voters, HEYMYNAMESBOBANDIMHERETOMAKEEVERYBODYSAFEFROMTHELIZARDPEOPLEFROMEATINGOURBRAINSANDTHEGOVERNMENTPOTBELLIEDPIGSBACONVIVALEREVOLUTION!!!

And to the dyslexic voters, Helol hwo aer yuo?

queue ,
@queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

That’s my main deciding point, and why I’m happy Biden stepped down. I didn’t think he’d win the Rust Belt. Harris might.

My main vote is “Not Trump’s Fascism.”

kautau ,

I will absolutely vote whoever is opposite of trump on the ticket. But a black woman winning the rust belt? That would be wild. I’m all for it, mind you, but that would be some crazy shit.

njm1314 ,

If she she’s was a great candidate she would have been the candidate 4 years ago.

TexasDrunk ,

So she hasn’t gained any knowledge or experience in the last 4 years? We’re all just born with all the knowledge and experience we will ever have?

njm1314 ,

Honestly, doubt it.

ToastedPlanet ,

She was on the ticket 4 years ago. She is VP. Now she’s on top. Kamala 2024!

njm1314 ,

I’m concerned you couldn’t grasp that by candidate we were talking about the Presidential candidate.

ToastedPlanet ,

I understand. Kamala is going to president of the United States of America. And it’s going to be awesome.

bolexforsoup ,

Fuck ooooffffffffff my god these flippant bullshit one liners get so old

rebelsimile ,

If you’d applied this logic to trump would have even posted this?

njm1314 ,

Wha… what? What does that even mean?

rebelsimile ,

The republicans are running last election’s loser.

ImADifferentBird ,
@ImADifferentBird@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

By the same token, Biden was tied for dead last in the 2008 primary. Things change.

Speculater ,
@Speculater@lemmy.world avatar

How is she a good candidate? She stood against everything progressives stand for as a prosecutor and hasn’t apologized or clarified that she supports marijuana legalization, abolition of for-profit prisons, or disproportionately prosecuting minorities.

elbucho ,
@elbucho@lemmy.world avatar

What the fuck are you talking about? When she was running for president in 2019, she released detailed plans about how she would legalize marijuana, abolish private prisons, and reform the carceral system.

I get that you probably weren’t aware of her evolved stance on these things, but a single google search could have shown you that you were incorrect on every single point you made.

Speculater ,
@Speculater@lemmy.world avatar

And I’m happy to be wrong about her evolved state. Thanks.

barkingspiders ,

This is the bravest comment I’ve seen today, you deserve an internet prize 🏆

wanderingmagus ,

If I could give you some kind of prize I would. Have a meaningless pixel trophy instead, and an upvote: 🏆

Feathercrown ,

I love this site

octopus_ink ,

What the fuck are you talking about? When she was running for president in 2019, she released detailed plans about how she would legalize marijuana, abolish private prisons, and reform the carceral system.

Has she done those things? (I sincerely don’t know.)

I’ve heard that she’s revised her stances, but even in 2019 there was some question regarding the sincerity of her evolving viewpoints.

We’re likely to get 8 years of her if she wins, so I think it’s entirely reasonable to want her to affirm her stances in some of these areas. We won’t be able to move any further left than she allows. Sure, she’s not Trump, and I’m going to vote for her. It would be nice to have hope she’ll do more than just move right more slowly than Trump though.

She says very little, and nothing convincing, about some of the most serious charges against her, like that she fought hard to keep innocents in prison and failed to fight hard against corrupt cops.

If elected president, Harris seems as likely as any of her Democratic rivals, and far more likely than Donald Trump, to pursue a criminal-justice-reform agenda that overlaps with policies I favor as a civil libertarian. And I do not hold it against Harris that as a municipal and state official she enforced many laws that I regard as unjust. All the candidates now running for president will, if elected, preside over the enforcement of some laws that they and I regard as unjust.

But like her rivals, the reforms that Harris would sign into law as president would depend mostly on what Democrats in Congress could get to her desk. Far more important is how she would preside over a federal legal system and bureaucracy that is prone to frequent abuses. And her record casts significant doubts about whether she can be trusted to oversee federal law enforcement, the military, intelligence agencies, the detention of foreign prisoners, and more.

elbucho ,
@elbucho@lemmy.world avatar

I mean, she’ll have ample opportunity to expound on that. But prison reform and legalizing marijuana were platforms she ran on in 2019. I haven’t seen anything from her that would indicate she’s reversed her position since then.

ToastedPlanet ,

politifact.com/…/were-tulsi-gabbards-attacks-kama…

Harris “put over 1,500 people in jail for marijuana violations and then laughed about it when she was asked if she ever smoked marijuana.”

Notably, the figures dropped dramatically during Harris’ tenure, from 817 marijuana-related admissions in her first year in office to 137 in her last.

She laughed because it was funny and I’m tired of people telling me it’s not. 💥 🔫

She’s been a prosecutor, senator, and now VP. She has the experience. She can speak in complete sentences. She is a neo-liberal but that was a given. All Democratic candidates since Clinton have been neo-liberals. The idea that Kamala is anti-progressive is false.

SpaceCowboy ,
@SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

Yeah it is ridiculous. Essentially “why didn’t you legalize marijuana when you were AG?” Because that job isn’t about changing the laws it’s about prosecuting the law.

Bad enough SCOTUS is changing laws on a whim (instead of interpreting which is their actual job) we shouldn’t be expecting everyone on every level just disregard laws they disagree with. I agree that marijuana criminalization is stupid and should be repealed, but push for legislators to change the law rather than push for more people to ignore the law.

UltraGiGaGigantic ,

Are you new to the democratic party?

Steve ,

https://startrek.website/pictrs/image/d586fb6d-7bf7-4486-9738-e56b933dec32.png

fine_sandy_bottom ,

Of course they are. It’s infuriating. Even the “anyone but trump” idiots undermines confidence in Kamala.

queue , (edited )
@queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I may be a weirdo, but I was on the “I’d consider not voting for Biden.” but I’m currently more interested in Harris. Nowhere near as bad of a track record as Biden had. From being racist, to supporting rapists getting into the Supreme Court, to backing massive removal of constitutional rights.

Harris’ record isn’t perfect, and while I’m in California, I don’t recall any bills she pushed/voted for as Senator that was anything as bad as the USA PATRIOT Act. I don’t like her record as our AG at all, but Senator is a different story.

If she picks a good VP pick, I’d be down. I’m wanting maybe Newsom, but that’s just he biggest Democrat I know, as he’s my Governor.

Edit: I don’t know how to make it clear: I live in California. If I voted for a ham sandwich for oresident it would have the same impact as voting for Biden. My state’s EC is clear and chosen, and popular vote doesn’t decide the president otherwise we’d never have Trump. I was considering going Greens, but I’m looking forward to Harris. Get mad at undecideds in Swing States and Trump supporters, not a registered Democrat in California.

RubberElectrons ,
@RubberElectrons@lemmy.world avatar

Felt the same, both about her and Newsom.

acosmichippo ,
@acosmichippo@lemmy.world avatar

you were considering not voting for Biden when Trump was the alternative?

kylie_kraft ,

A very common position among the lemmy crowd, unfortunately. I really don’t expect much to change either, just swap Harris for Biden in the hit pieces.

acosmichippo ,
@acosmichippo@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve disengaged from political news and discussion over the last few years for my mental health, and this confirms that was the right move. shit is driving me crazy.

queue ,
@queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I don’t know how to make it clear: I live in California. If I voted for a ham sandwich for president it would have the same impact as voting for Biden. My state’s EC is clear and chosen, and popular vote doesn’t decide the president otherwise we’d never have Trump. I was considering going Greens, but I’m looking forward to Harris. Get mad at undecideds in Swing States and Trump supporters, not a registered Democrat in California.

Djtecha ,

CA still has republicans in congress so please still vote.

queue ,
@queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I’m trying to. I live in the district Kevin McCarthy was in. His replacement isn’t great. Our blanket primary was “Republican backed by Kevin and Trump” and “Republican backed by conservative think tanks and Trump staff”.

I’ve considered running for office using a form of leftist talks masked like Republican talking points. But an openly queer leftist in Republican territory won’t go well, unless I figure out what urn I want ahead of time.

Djtecha ,

Well keep on fighting. 😊

queue ,
@queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Even if we lose in 2024, we keep fighting.

Djtecha ,

Naw I think this change wins it. But vote regardless 😜

sapphiria ,
@sapphiria@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Not all of us live in swing states. It’s weird that so many people act as if that’s the case online.

acosmichippo ,
@acosmichippo@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t care where you live, vote.

sapphiria ,
@sapphiria@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I never said I wasn’t going to vote.

acosmichippo ,
@acosmichippo@lemmy.world avatar

so you’re going to vote, but not for biden because electoral college nonsense. this isn’t time to fuck around with rhetorical voting no matter how safe you think your state is.

queue ,
@queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Yes. But I’m in California. My vote for President doesn’t matter. My local ballots do.

acosmichippo ,
@acosmichippo@lemmy.world avatar

and what benefit do you think not voting for Biden would have gotten you?

K3zi4 ,

As a non American I just can’t comprehend how any of you even have to think about this.

On one hand, an old man, who, despite his age and stumbling over his words, has ran the country relatively successfully for the last four years.

On the other hand, another old man that was a global embarrassment, cosied up to Putin and Kim, spent most of his time golfing and shitting his pants, stole classified documents and likely sold state secrets, he is a sexual abuser, an actual criminal, clearly has corrupt justices on his side with crazy plans, chummy with epstein and took multiple trips to pedo Island, promoted racism at every opportunity, many of the people connected to him for his first term were imprisoned, refused to accept your democratic process, contributed in instigating a fucking coup attempt, and that’s likely not even the half of it…

Like, how the fuck can ANY of you look at that and say “Yeah but Biden stumbles over his words so I’ll just throw my vote away/vote for trump…”

I feel like I’m going insane just watching this shit unfold. It is all so bizarre.

mashbooq ,

As an American I’m newly flabbergasted by this every damn day

AquaTofana ,

Don’t worry, those of us Americans who don’t have their heads up their asses are just as baffled as you are and 3 times as embarrassed that Trump is even an option again.

I am in a fucking loop of laughter and tears because I don’t even know what to do anymore.

queue ,
@queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I just don’t want an old rapist racist in charge of a country.

confusedbytheBasics ,

Yes. It’s insane. I will vote for whoever is most likely to beat Trump. It’s embarrassing that he is RNC’s pick for candidate. He demonstrated his inability to do the job and his fans still want him because he hurts the “right people”. Horrifying.

kylie_kraft ,

It’s not even “he hurts the ‘right people’” anymore, because Trump’s policies hurt everyone. It’s"he hurts the ‘right people’" more than he hurts me. I will give myself a cold to give you a fever.

Wiz ,

If pay money to hear the words “pedo Island” used against TFG in the debate.

Tryptaminev ,

The criterion is very simple: Don’t vote for genocide committers, enablers or planners. That excludes Biden and Trump.

If the Dems manage to produce a non genocide loving candidate, then vote vote vote and drag everyone who will vote for the non genocide candidate to the polling station.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

And what is your plan for stopping Trump’s planned genocides?

Tryptaminev ,

2A

radivojevic ,

Unfortunately, talking about realistic plans will get you banned in this community

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

They aren’t realistic because no one with any credible ability to pull them off is making such plans. You sure aren’t leading the lynch mob.

radivojevic ,

Thomas Crooks is leading the mob.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

If the leader of your great revolution is a corpse, I think you have big problems.

radivojevic ,

Corpse, Martyr, similar but different.

FlexibleToast ,

The guy that had no political motives and was just trying to hit the highest valued target he could? That’s a piss poor leader.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

That’s also true, but I’d say the bigger problem when it comes to his leadership skills is his complete lack of brain and other organ activity.

FlexibleToast ,

Biden already dropped.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

That would be a much funnier joke if Biden hadn’t literally endorsed someone else to be the leader.

Also, I’m sure Biden’s spleen is just fine.

FlexibleToast ,

It was only meant to be a stupid joke. Not an actual political statement.

radivojevic ,

That’s your interpretation of his motives.

FlexibleToast ,

Yes, because that’s where the evidence leads. I do tend to form my interpretations of things based on evidence.

radivojevic ,

You did the investigation yourself or you watched the news and believed whatever you heard? There are lots of versions of his motives, depending on who you’re listening to. I’m sure some far-right media outlet has “evidence” that Biden hired him.

If he just wanted to kill people, he would have taken more shots. Nothing in his past, that has been released at this point, shows he wanted to kill people for no reason. This was intentional, and seeing as he is a political figure, having this be politically motivated makes the most sense.

FlexibleToast ,

I’m listening to what the FBI are saying. You’re free to come up with whatever conspiracy you want to though.

radivojevic ,

I’m sure the fbi don’t want anyone to know that it was politically motivated so he doesn’t become a martyr. You’re free to believe the government never lies or manipulates the facts, but historically that’s not always been the case.

FlexibleToast ,

Nice conspiracy theory.

AbidanYre ,

From 6ft underground?

radivojevic ,

I think that’s a requirement for being a martyr.

AbidanYre ,

I had this discussion with someone a couple weeks ago and was surprised to learn that it’s not.

www.wordnik.com/words/martyr

radivojevic ,

Interesting. Well, martyr nonetheless.

GoddessNoAi ,

“I’d rather let someone who actively, aggressively advocates, enables, and wants genocide domestically and abroad to win the presidency, over voting for somebody who passively enables genocide to happen abroad because actively trying to stop it could ignite WWIII” is still a bad take.

It’s baffling and hypocritical.

Tryptaminev ,

It is hypocritical to delude yourself into believing voting for genocide is somehow not approving genocide. And i hardly doubt that stopping Israel from committing genocide in Gaza would ignite WW3.

If you mistake it for Ukraine, think about all the help Ukraine is not getting so Israel can get it instead. Dozens of Billions in Weapons to slaughter a civillian population instead of helping Ukraine defend itself against Russias invasion.

GoddessNoAi ,

I’m not deluding myself about anything. The choice isn’t “vote for or against genocide” it’s “act to get less or more genocide”. It’s not a false dichotomy; if you’re not voting to defeat Trump, then you’re acting to get more genocide.

By not acting to defeat Trump, you’re enabling genocide more than Biden ever has.

Lyrl ,

In some takes on the trolley problem (do nothing, five people are run over by a trolley an die, flip a track change switch and two people are run over by a trolley and die) flipping the switch is the morally worse option because then those two people’s deaths are your fault, whereas the five people who die because you did nothing are someone else’s fault. I don’t agree with that take, but it’s taken seriously in philosophy circles.

Lyrl ,

I don’t get how in the Levant, where both Hamas and the Israelis have significant factions that want to genocide the other people, a situation where Hamas does the genociding (because an Israel without attack capability de facto also loses defense capability) is somehow more moral than a situation where Israel does it.

Tryptaminev ,

You are making multiple false assumptions in there. The first being that 2.000 pound bombs are somehow “defensive”. The next being that a 30.000 fighters Hamas would somehow genocide all of the settlers, despite their army having hundreds of thousands of members. Then it goes further with this idea, that they want to eradicate them, when all they want is to get their land back. The settlers always have the options to leave and go back to their home countries. Meanwhile Israel as a settler colonial project has to commit genocide to complete itself because as long as a Palestinian people exists, it will demand to get back to its rightful land. Finally you are wrong about the reasons why people in Palestine support violence. They do so, because it is the only thing protecting them from annihilation. For Israelis it is a mix between believing, they need to commit genocide as being the perpetrator protects them from being the victims, classic imperialist greed and a big portion of racism and fascism.

But in the end Israel will destroy itself from within as all fascist states do eventually. The question is how many more people the US helps them to murder in the meantime.

wanderingmagus ,

Does… does Harris meet your criterion?

Semi_Hemi_Demigod ,
@Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world avatar

Even if Trump wasn’t going to do awful things, I can’t stand his stupid face or his stupid voice or his stupid stupidity. That’s enough to vote for someone who’ll beat him.

Burstar ,

Get out of my head. I only watch late night talk shows on Youtube now just so I can skip past any Trump video. I hate that guy so much it makes my jaw hurt whenever I see his image.

Edit: I wish I could vote against him.

thisbenzingring ,

When I place my vote, I’ll remember you 👍

Burstar ,

Thanks fren!

Lost_My_Mind ,

Are you unable to vote against him because you’re not American?

jwt ,

Generally speaking you vote for someone. I’m thinking they meant literally a box on the ballot:
☑️ Against trump

Burstar ,

Heh, or just vote for his opponent whomever that may be :P

Burstar ,

Yup.

Lost_My_Mind ,

Ah. Legally speaking, that’s a pretty good excuse.

Lost_My_Mind ,

No. It absolutely isn’t. I was too young to vote in the 2000 election, but Gore had the same stupid face, long drawn out speech paterns, and general unlikability.

However, his policies, and his message were good. I would have voted for him despite his stupid face, because of him being the better candidate.

I FULLY understand people hating trump…but I underatand the hate because trump is a piece of shit. I get why trump is hated for his bad policies. I get why people hate having a criminal in the white house.

But to say that if a candidate were good for the position, but you hate their face and voice, I wouldn’t understand that.

aStonedSanta ,

Yeah but Gore did win that election. It was stolen from him. Just like Bernie won the DNC nomination and it was stolen from him. Fuck the DNC. But fuck the RNC harder.

Lost_My_Mind ,

This is the kind of comment that makes me angry, while I agree with all of it. It’s a weird feeling to be yelling “YEAH I AGREE WITH THAT!!! RAAAAHHH!!!”

Semi_Hemi_Demigod ,
@Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world avatar

Nah, Gore is not nearly as stupid as Trump, either in face, voice, or thought.

NoIWontPickAName ,

Nah, I said I would support her if that’s what it came down to.

She needs a good VP though with her record.

That debate and the putin -Zelensky trump-Harris mixups so short together.

Pull in Buttigieg and you have a white male as a backup to calm people down and maybe pull in the gay vote.

I understand how the last sentence could be seen the wrong way, but it’s the cynical reality.

bolexforsoup ,

You’re talking about election strategy, it’s not wrong if a bit blunt/overly reduced.

noisefree ,

Harris-Buttigeg is too close to Harry Butt and Harris-Pete is too close to Harry Peter for the 4th grade reading level crowd (aka “undecided voters”). I don’t personally have a huge issue with either of them, but it’ll probably be Harris and the Sheriff of Mayberry.

JimSamtanko ,

Absolutely they will. When the gEnOciDe stopped working/got boring, they switched to- oLd!

Give it a day, they’ll have their reasons not to vote for her too.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Someone already replied to me saying that unless the Democrats produce a “non genocide-loving candidate,” don’t vote for them.

kylie_kraft ,

conveniently making room for the one candidate who probably does love a genocide

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

And not just genocide overseas. Trump has made his position on immigrants and queer people very clear. And if anyone thinks ‘immigrants’ won’t include brown people that are native-born citizens who don’t happen to have the right ID on them, you’re wrong.

kylie_kraft ,

Oh, totally

JimSamtanko ,

Of course they did. Because MAGA won’t be happy until there are no democratic voters.

Captainvaqina ,

No democracy either. They want an authoritarian dictatorship because they don’t believe they’ll be the ones hurt by it.

Djtecha ,

Bots bots and more bots. I assume all of that garbage is coming from a room full of shoulder to shoulder ruskies

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I tend to go by Hanlon’s Razor unless given reason to do otherwise.

FlexibleToast ,

Cool strawman you’re beating up. I think the majority of us that didn’t want Biden is because he didn’t have a good path to victory. We didn’t want to just stand by and watch the train wreck happen. Harris isn’t much better, but at least she is better, and I will be on board with that of that’s who is chosen. I would rather see Whitmer be on the top of the ticket though.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

One of my strawmen replied to me below. You should tell them about how I knocked them down.

FlexibleToast ,

You will never please everybody.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I thought I was beating up strawmen? Now they exist?

You do understand what a straw man argument is, right?

FlexibleToast ,

The strawman is acting like they’re the majority.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

When did I do such a thing? Please quote me.

FlexibleToast ,

Any moment now, the ‘don’t vote for Biden’ group will be in here telling us not to vote for Harris. And if it isn’t Harris, they’ll tell us not to vote for whoever it is.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Yes. That is what I wrote. What specifically there suggests I was talking about the majority?

Do you think ‘group’ means ‘majority?’ Maybe English isn’t your first language.

FlexibleToast ,

The fact that you even wrote it at all implies they’re a major group. Why bring up the insignificant minority?

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

You are not psychic. You do not get to tell me what I was implying. Especially when I am telling you otherwise.

FlexibleToast ,

Now you’re back peddling. Maybe you should actually say what you mean instead of leaving it up to interpretation.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Maybe you should have asked.

papertowels ,

The fact that you even wrote it at all implies they’re a major group. Why bring up the insignificant minority?

Do you just never acknowledge minorities or something?..

Does any group being brought up need to be the majority? What mental gymnastics is this.

Bytemeister ,

Just take the L and move on.

FlexibleToast ,

The L? I didn’t realize this was a competition…

Omniraptor ,

as a queer leftist (look up ag kamala’s record on gender affirming care for trans inmates for a fun time) I support her on electoral grounds- she isn’t visibly falling apart at the seams like Biden and can do the physical work of campaigning and interacting with potential voters. We can work with this.

She is also on record as having a somewhat tougher stance on Israel’s war (unlike Joe, who supported them no matter what they did). That’s my personal red-line issue so I’m glad there’s some semblance of a shift there :/

PriorityMotif ,
@PriorityMotif@lemmy.world avatar

I’m sure that her stance could have changed from that time as it’s become a more understood issue now from then. It’s the people that the president appoints that are ultimately responsible for policy in their departments.

kandoh ,

She’s one of the reasons if someone were to kill you they wouldn’t be able to use ‘i panicked’ as a defense.

Maggoty ,

Unless they’re a cop. Then it’s the defense they go to and can never be convicted under unless we have them on video calmly shooting the handcuffed guy in the back of the head.

SpaceCowboy ,
@SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

Well VPs traditionally will say the things the President can’t say publicly for geopolitical reasons. Harris may have been saying the things the Biden was thinking but couldn’t directly say while actively negotiating with Netanyahu. Can’t be sure but it’s a more likely scenario than her going rogue against someone on the same ticket as her.

Doesn’t matter now, but more for future reference. If a future President Harris isn’t saying what you want her to say on foreign policy issues but her VP is, you’ll know what’s up.

mecfs ,
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Natanael ,

And soon enough, the wrong kind of christians

some_guy ,

Until Harris fucks up terribly in public and jeopardizes her campaign, I won’t be advocating for her replacement. I never said “don’t vote Biden.” I said “run somebody better.” Keeping Trump out of office is more important to me than living in this country and I love where I live. I’m hopeful that Harris can win the trust of the people and prevent my having to relocate (and a bunch of other bad shit).

dadarobot ,
@dadarobot@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Most of the biden haters i know on the left are upset about his support for israel. Harris has been much more critical of the genocide. We’ll just have to see.

I didnt want to vote for biden, but was still going to vote blue no matter who. Im glad i dont have to vote for genocide anymore.

Frozengyro ,

I’m sure you still will have to unfortunately.

aStonedSanta ,

Yeah I like Harris less than Biden. Sad day tbh.

UltraGiGaGigantic ,

You wanna know how to shut those people up? Replace First Past The Post voting with something like Ranked Choice voting. Then they would have to make their own party and show us how it’s done. (No spoiler effect to)

Maggoty ,

Hi, I think you’ve seen me in enough places saying not to vote for Biden.

Go vote for Harris.

Duamerthrax ,

An aside, I hate that this was posted to twitter before it was posted to Biden’s own website or the White House’s website first.

Psythik ,

This is why the internet sucks now. Nobody maintains their own websites anymore. These days everybody just posts everything on the same handful of centralized megacorp websites. Social media killed the golden age of the web.

elvith ,

There are some exceptions that still live by the POSSE*-principle, but they’re rare.

*Post to Own Site, Syndicate/Share Everywhere

SpaceCowboy ,
@SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

Well Trump posts stuff to his own website :P

But yeah, I agree. And there’s no excuse for it really. Sure a regular person only posting to a single social media makes sense, but anyone that has staff should be able post to their own website, issue a press release, post on Twitter, Mastodon, Facebook, Blue Sky, Reddit, etc. I mean once you have the statement finalized it’s just copy & paste to get it on all platforms. It seems bizarre that they don’t do this.

the_post_of_tom_joad ,

Ey yo at least this place exists

Duamerthrax ,

This is essentially a very fancy forum. I wouldn’t expect corporations or politicians to be posting here. Maybe they could host their own instance and federate. In principle, that would mean they’re paying for their own hosting and have control over their message being altered.

wanderingmagus ,

How about Mastodon?

Duamerthrax ,

Post to your own website first, then to social media. Hosting your own Mastodon or Lemmy instance counts as your own website.

yannic ,

E-mail, too. You could have all the latest security features to confirm you’re legitimate, but based on the simple fact that your message volume is low (ironically enough), messages you send with your server will often get filed under junk by default.

mynameisigglepiggle ,

Elon probably boosted it for free, max.publicity

jeffw ,
@jeffw@lemmy.world avatar

My first reaction was that he was hacked. It wasn’t on official letterhead, there was no other announcement, and the president didn’t immediately make another tweet/x/whatever.

I don’t think I’m alone. Typically when something big like this happens, I get 5-10 news alerts within minutes of each other from various sources. The alerts were slow to roll in today.

HappycamperNZ ,

"Oh shit, how do we spin this in Trumps favour"

  • US media
Agent641 ,

I hate that he started at least 2 sentences with “and”

aphlamingphoenix ,

It really helps you to hear it in his voice, though.

GiddyGap ,

Screw Elon

TechAnon ,

WHAT AM I GOING TO DO WITH ALL MY BIDEN HATS, FLAGS, T-SHIRTS, AND STICKERS?!

/Just kidding - not in a cult 😅

Zacryon ,

not in a cult

Sure? You are on Lemmy after all.

/joking. Or am I? 🤔 VSauce music plays

TechAnon ,

Yep, dropped Digg for Reddit. Dropped Reddit for Lemmy. Will drop Lemmy for something else if I end up not liking it. 😎

Frozengyro ,

You now have enough data points to estimate how long until Lemmy turns to shit and you need to migrate again!

Machinist ,
@Machinist@lemmy.world avatar

I did Slashdot, Reddit, Lemmy.

TechAnon ,

Oh yes - I was on Slashdot and I’ll throw in Fark. :-)

tegs_terry ,

Maybe something where people don’t put shit like /joking because they’re petrified of downvotes

TechAnon ,

Where is that place?

Whitebrow ,

4chan?

kylie_kraft ,

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    Altomes ,

    As a very vocal Biden hater I’ll stomach Kamela far better and would be thrilled for someone else

    xhieron , (edited )
    @xhieron@lemmy.world avatar

    Stomach isn’t enough. If you’re not actively campaigning and donating for her–or whomever the candidate is–then you may as well have been a Republican.

    EDIT: Nevermind. Clearly the hivemind wants to stay in our armchairs. Who can blame us, right? We’ll continue this conversation in November. I hope it’s not I-told-you-so.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    And doing what you’re doing discourages people from voting.

    xhieron ,
    @xhieron@lemmy.world avatar

    Squid, I appreciate your contributions to putting content on the platform, honestly, but I couldn’t be any less interested in that take. My history speaks for itself, and anybody can read it who cares to. Everybody must vote. I don’t think I could be any clearer about that. I was a staunch advocate for Biden, and I’ll be a staunch advocate for Harris, Newsom, Whitmer, or anyone else who carries the Democratic party forward.

    But every single one of them polls down from Biden. To the extent any of the whining on social media since the debate hasn’t been astroturfed, advocacy for Biden to drop out resulted in this news, and it means that the party has now voluntarily given up the single biggest proven advantage a candidate historically has in a presidential election: being the sitting president.

    I’m encouraging people to vote, but you know as well as I do that people who were going to vote anything-blue were going to vote for Biden no matter what anybody said on almost-reddit. Harris has to move the needle further than that, and that means that all the armchair it’ll-be-better-if-he-drops-out analysts now need to step the fuck up if they want this news to mean anything other than “The DNC just handed Trump 2024.”

    Everybody knows that the kids screaming “oh if the candidate were just younger, the Dems would have it in a landslide” were full of shit, and now we’re about to see just how big a deficit we’re actually running. I’d love to be wrong! I’d be delighted, ecstatic, beside myself to discover that next weeks polls put all these convention front-runners up 10 points on Trump. But I’ve studied this stuff, and it doesn’t take a veteran pollster to realize it doesn’t work that way. Actual campaigning has to happen.

    If you cared enough to want Biden out, but not quite enough to want Harris to win, then you were going to hold your nose in the ballot box either way and it doesn’t fucking matter: Trump would still win. That’s not discouraging. That’s statistics.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Telling people that if they don’t go out and campaign, they might as well be a Republican is just counterproductive. Insulting people is just never a way to get them to do what you think they should do.

    I don’t know why so many people think that’s the right tack. Have you ever been insulted into doing something?

    xhieron ,
    @xhieron@lemmy.world avatar

    The few words of hyperbole is what you took away? I expected better, but I guess that’s on me.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    The few words are the problem. And I doubt people are viewing it as hyperbole.

    bolexforsoup ,

    I mean yeah it was a bit much on their part but I think you’re hyper focusing on it well past the point of productivity.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    I am trying to explain someone else how they are not being productive.

    As I said to them, have you ever been insulted into doing the right thing? I sure haven’t. I don’t know of anyone who has.

    In fact, the quickest way I know to get someone to not take your advice is to insult them.

    xhieron ,
    @xhieron@lemmy.world avatar

    Didn’t bother to read the multi-paragraph follow-up? Don’t worry about it. I’ve had my fill.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    You really don’t understand the concept that being hostile to people is the worst way to get them on your side.

    xhieron ,
    @xhieron@lemmy.world avatar

    You know, Squid. You’re right. This whole time I’ve been venting because I feel like we’ve been completely outplayed by astroturfing foreign propagandists and bots, and it feels like I’m the only one who realizes it. This stuff has real, serious consequences for real people–but why would I expect a bunch of NEETs and children to get that?

    Everybody who swallowed it still genuinely thinks they won something, so I guess it’s not fair to lash out. I don’t really want to get anyone on my side because my side doesn’t exist here anymore.

    I have to thank you for finally getting me off the platform. It’s just not worth it.

    I’m sure this’ll all work out the way you want.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Or… you could be encouraging rather than hostile.

    the_post_of_tom_joad ,

    It’s all a huge conspiracy by foreign propagandists to… replace Joe Biden? Why? And this conspiracy either fooled or forced DNC wonks to pressure Biden to drop his campaign, and this propaganda… originating from foreign sources that you but not they can see, caused Biden to concede.

    Look dawg i know someone saying take a breath on the Internet has the opposite effect but for real, maybe you need to take a step back right now and take another look

    ShepherdPie ,

    You’re essentially doing the same exact thing in the top comment up above.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    In what way? I’m saying insulting people is not a way to get them to campaign.

    ShepherdPie ,

    Any moment now, the ‘don’t vote for Biden’ group will be in here telling us not to vote for Harris. And if it isn’t Harris, they’ll tell us not to vote for whoever it is.

    Anything but stop the dictator and his plan to commit genocide against Latinos and queer people.

    Then why are you insulting people here by making up a strawman argument and insinuating that the people who don’t support unpopular candidates are somehow rooting for Trump? This is like the DNC’s 2016 arrogance all over again and look how that turned out for the country.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    It’s still not a strawman argument that people who were posting all over Lemmy that no one should vote for Biden are now posting in this very thread that people shouldn’t vote for Harris either.

    Also, I’m not trying to get people who aren’t planning on voting for Harris to campaign for Harris. That would be silly. So I have no problem with anything that I said.

    ShepherdPie ,

    In the countless posts leading up to Biden dropping out, people were saying the same thing about Harris then too. Trading one bad candidate for another isn’t what anybody asked for, so you’ll have to explain how these people you speak of should now be satisfied and stop sounding the alarm.

    It seems there are too many people who would rather kowtow to the DNC leadership’s desires than actually prevent Trump from getting elected again after the DNC failed us in the exact same way in 2016 and nearly again in 2020. What will it take for them to wake up? People demand unity within the party, but for some inexplicable reason, they always demand that we unite around their unlikable right-wing candidate.

    FlowVoid ,

    We win if we get enough votes, and every vote counts.

    Anything beyond voting is just gravy.

    Tryptaminev ,

    With people like you it shows why Trump won culturally even if he doesn’t win the election. He turned a substantial part of the vocal Democrats into Blue-MAGA-hats. It is the same attitude that attacked people who pointed out the mere fact, that Biden is not mentally fit for office anymore. If the Blue-MAGA wasn’t so big, Biden could have left the field to a younger and better candidate half a year ago.

    kylie_kraft ,

    nothing makes me discredit a poster faster than this “Blue MAGA” bullshit

    Tryptaminev ,

    So you think calling everyone that does not campaign and donate to the Democrats a secret Republican is somehow normal?

    To me it is the same cultish bullshit like the blatant denial of Bidens old age and mental decline. It is the same “follow your leader no matter what” insanity that is apologetic for Trump on the other side. So yes, this kind of behaviour is MAGA behaviour and if it is done for the Dems instead of the Reps it is blue MAGA

    NoIWontPickAName ,

    Nope

    Semi_Hemi_Demigod ,
    @Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world avatar

    TIL I’m a Republican.

    And also that you’re a jerk.

    Clinicallydepressedpoochie ,

    Boooooo. We need to unite around [insert DNC candidate] NOW.

    elbucho ,
    @elbucho@lemmy.world avatar

    The “hive mind” probably just can’t figure out what the fuck you’re even trying to say. So, what, everybody who doesn’t actively campaign for their preferred candidate just supports fascism by default? I’m guessing your stance isn’t anywhere near that stupid, because that is an extraordinarily stupid stance. So maybe you’d have a better reception if you clarified your point.

    Pacattack57 ,

    This has got to be the most brain dead shit I’ve read in a minute 😵‍💫

    queue ,
    @queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    I guess the poor and disabled and people who are too busy with struggling to survive are secretly republicans now.

    “Hey I have a weak immune system, so I have to work from home and that limits my income and my free time.”

    “I smell a Republican!”

    audiomodder ,

    Absolutely not. I will spend my time and energy and money supporting my local Democrats. The national level isn’t as important to me because Republicans in my state have veto-proof majorities in both houses and they hold the governorship. Regardless of what happens at the national level, implementation of Project 2025 began in my state about 3 years ago.

    FlexibleToast ,

    While not a Biden hater (but also not a supporter), this is how I feel too.

    NoIWontPickAName ,

    Harris ain’t perfect, but she’s not on the same mental state as Biden is.

    He did a lot of good, but he just wasn’t there anymore, he’s getting pretty old and just had the most stressful job in the world for 4 years.

    Plus he just backed Israel through every thing.

    She’ll probably do the same, but I KNOW that he’ll do it.

    Tbf I changed my mind to voting for him after he finally managed to get Ukraine more aid, so idk how everyone else will go.

    Hopefully she grabs a good VP to calm people down

    Clinicallydepressedpoochie ,

    I was vocally saying biden would never drop out and we just had to swallow the poison pill. I was dead wrong. I will be voting for [insert DNC candidate] and will be excited to do it!

    DragonTypeWyvern ,

    Idk about excited, but yes, unironically.

    elbucho ,
    @elbucho@lemmy.world avatar

    While I don’t think Kamala is the best the Democratic party has to offer (I would have much preferred Biden endorsing Hakeem Jeffries, for example), I’m over the moon that he’s finally decided to step aside. And you know what? Harris is better than Biden in pretty much every metric that matters. I was going to vote for the Dem nominee either way, but him stepping aside in favor of a better candidate has me feeling all kinds of relieved.

    FlexibleToast ,

    I can only speak for myself, but yes.

    nl4real ,

    It’s finally over. Now get in someone who can beat Trump.

    Montagge ,

    Who exactly?

    Qkall ,
    @Qkall@lemmy.ml avatar

    yeah… i don’t think harris is the answer…

    girlfreddy ,
    @girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

    If Harris is in, she can use the money already donated. Otherwise they have to start from scratch.

    So it’s almost guaranteed Harris will be in. Who they pick for VP is the question.

    PythagreousTitties ,

    Can they still keep her as VP and put someone else on as prez?

    dhork ,

    Harris/Whitmer is my bet

    ricecake ,

    On the one hand: “you can’t have her she’s ours!”. On the other, she’s out in 26 regardless, and she’s pretty good so maybe we can share with the rest of the country.

    Qkall ,
    @Qkall@lemmy.ml avatar

    I just don’t think she can beat big orange. I’m not saying she shouldn’t … but I don’t know … doubtful

    mosiacmango ,

    He was a prosecutor for years, so she has plently of oratory chops, and shes 20 years younger than trump to boot.

    Her only liability is the she is a she and there are plently of sexist fucks out there. Thats it.

    alquicksilver ,
    @alquicksilver@lemmy.world avatar

    You forgot that she’s a POC and there are also tons of racists fucks out there.

    Even before getting to her actual credentials (some great, others really not), people will be assholes. I still have hope that she, as a former prosecutor, could mop the floor with the fascists.

    Zaktor ,

    On the plus side, racist and sexist heavily overlap.

    Emperor ,
    @Emperor@feddit.uk avatar

    July 11th poll:

    Americans divide 46-47% between Biden and Trump if the election were today, almost identical to a 44-46% ABC/Ipsos poll result in April. Among registered voters (though there’s plenty of time to register) it’s an absolute tie, 46-46%.

    Were Vice President Kamala Harris to replace Biden as the Democratic nominee, vote choices are 49-46%, Harris-Trump, among all adults (and 49-47% among registered voters). Harris’ 49% is slightly better than Biden’s 46%, although she doesn’t have a statistically significant lead over Trump.

    Also possibly key:

    Both candidates [Biden and Trump] face a high degree of scorn. About 4 in 10 Americans say neither has the mental sharpness or the physical health to serve effectively, and as many say neither is honest and trustworthy. Sixty percent say Trump is too old for a second term, also a new high, up from 44% in spring 2023. And in a sign of the nation’s political polarization, 50% say that given his debate performance, Trump should step aside in favor of another nominee – although, in contrast with Biden, very few of Trump’s own supporters say so.

    WoahWoah ,

    You can expect Harris’s numbers to drop given she’s vulnerable to almost every criticism Biden was except age and the fact that the Trump campaign has already been preparing to attack her.

    Pandantic ,
    @Pandantic@midwest.social avatar

    And they’ve already made anti-Harris ads, which I heard on live CNN rn that they are already running them.

    SeaJ , (edited )

    No, they don’t. The Democratic Party can give the donated money to whoever is the candidate. Not sure where people are getting that.

    Edit: After reading up, I am mistaken kind of. If Harris is still the VP candidate, the money could be used. Otherwise a PAC would have to be setup to funnel money to the candidate…maybe. Bloomberg was simply able to transfer his campaign funds directly to the DNC since it was part of his campaign money…even though the vast majority of it was his own money.

    mrlavallee ,
    @mrlavallee@lemmy.world avatar

    The money Biden has raised directly however can only go to the people that were on his ticket at the time the donation was made

    xmunk ,

    That’s correct, but nearly none of the money is the direct donation stuff - it’s almost in PACs which are (due to a legal fiction) entirely independent of the candidate.

    mrlavallee ,
    @mrlavallee@lemmy.world avatar

    There are still more restrictions however on spending on other candidates and they would have to act like any other PAC, only helping via donating/running ads in support of (but importantly not directly by) any other candidate.

    FlowVoid ,

    The $100 million warchest belongs to the Biden/Harris campaign, not the Democratic Party. They are separate organizations, and Biden/Harris only answers to Biden and Harris.

    The DNC has its own funds of course, but nowhere near as much. And DNC funds are supposed to be shared with multiple Democrats, not just the one running for president.

    Zaktor ,

    And notably even if Biden/Harris were supporting the alternative, they’re an outside group. They can spend like a super PAC, but can’t pay bills or do direct advertising.

    Tryptaminev ,

    I find this so insane. People talk about who gets to keep the money, who has which rich asshole routing for them, which strategy has been successfull in the past, like always setting up the current president for reelection…

    We need to focus on who has actually inspiring policies and ideas. We need to focus on these, because that is what the Reps lack. All they offer is “not the Dems” while the policies they propose are actually unpopular with many of their base. And the whole “Not Trump” strategy of Biden just fell apart.

    Is there noone in the Democratic party who can actually come up with a coherent vision of the future and inspire people to follow it?

    Pandantic ,
    @Pandantic@midwest.social avatar

    Is there no one in the Democratic party who can actually come up with a coherent vision of the future and inspire people to follow it?

    This is why I think Pete Buttigieg should throw his hat in if they do have a primary. He just had a Bill Maher interview that just went viral because he knows how to talk to the common people. I think his visions are inspiring, he’s done a lot of work for his department, and he isn’t afraid to walk across party lines and go on Republican shows to talk about the real problems. He’s smart enough to smash Trump in a debate, calling out all his lies, and even if Trump is too scared to debate him, he has no problem laying out Trump’s lies elsewhere coherently and cognitively.

    Montagge ,

    Half of America lost it’s mind when Obama was elected, and we’re still dealing with the fallout from that lovely dose of racism. There’s no way Kamala could win in this country.

    Qkall ,
    @Qkall@lemmy.ml avatar

    like all that aside, a lot of folks aren’t appreciative of her background as a cop… but yeah that’s a cherry to what you already mentioned

    mosiacmango ,

    And a lot of swing voters will probably like that she was a prosecutor, a “law and order” type.

    ImADifferentBird ,
    @ImADifferentBird@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    I think most of the “law and order” types might have a bigger problem with her being a black woman.

    mosiacmango ,

    She aint “black” as much as “brown.” Its an incredibly stupid hair to split, but indians are generally considered a “model minority” by racists, so it will likely hurt her but not as much as you may think.

    ImADifferentBird ,
    @ImADifferentBird@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Isn’t she half-black and half-Indian? Or am I mistaken on that?

    Regardless, the flame out of Bobby Jindal shows what those folks think of Indians anyway.

    mosiacmango ,

    No, you’re right. I honestly forgot she was half black.

    I guess I hope the “moderate” racists do as well.

    nao ,

    still the other half was enough to elect him

    Zaktor ,

    Obama won. And then won again. Stop pumping up the reactionaries as some unstoppable force. They’re a minority and have been on a long term losing streak.

    ImADifferentBird ,
    @ImADifferentBird@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    She’ll have to be. Anybody else would be starting from square one, and that’s a luxury we don’t have right now.

    fossilesque , (edited )
    @fossilesque@mander.xyz avatar

    I don’t particularly like her, then again I detest nearly all politicians. That being said, I’m more motivated to vote, that’s for certain. I didn’t mind Biden, but it felt like elder abuse lol. He’s been better than anyone in my lifetime. Good God, I’d rather have her than Hilary as the first woman in the spot. Biden was just hard to watch and that position needs someone that will have to live with the consequences of the decisions in office. Will be curious to see who else puts their name in. 4 years ago he said he wouldn’t run again and he seems to be keeping that promise too. If they were clever, they’d put Biden as VP or as an advisor.

    spujb ,

    Harris 2024 babyyyyy

    Kalothar ,

    Senator Mark Kelly, he can do this

    He flipped AZ to blue

    He is an astronaut, all American, former servicemen

    He can get red votes and blue alike

    alquicksilver ,
    @alquicksilver@lemmy.world avatar

    Hmm…not bad. Not amazing name recognition, but that could be remedied.

    Having Gabby campaign for/with him, especially after the DJT assassination attempt, could be beneficial, too. (Or could look like a disgusting political plot, but that’s really all our politics.)

    alienzx ,

    Isn’t senator Kelly the one that created the mutant registration act?

    xmunk ,

    Yea, but who cares about those sub-human mutants.

    ShepherdPie ,

    Damn that would be a great pick. I’d like to see AOC but Kelly probably has more broad appeal with all the things you mentioned.

    bdonvr ,

    Actually that’s not a bad idea at all

    Reverendender ,

    This is…not a bad idea!

    Death_Equity ,

    Ok, he is probably the best name anybody has thrown out.

    WoahWoah ,

    Kelly or Mayor Pete seem like the best options.

    Buttigieg and AOC ticket? That would be the youth candidacy. Kelly and Buttigieg or vice versa would be more centrist but probably be the most robust candidacy.

    I hate to say it, but in this political climate and with the threat of Trump, the best shot is probably two young-ish white guys.

    morphballganon , (edited )

    https://i.postimg.cc/3J20n9kQ/prezposter.png

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/0140db66-9ee5-4364-9048-d5e9d5b35ec3.png

    newsweek.com/gavin-newsom-chances-beating-donald-…

    WoahWoah ,

    Gavin is probably the least popular option of any names floated. I don’t know who likes him, apparently some people do, but it’s not anywhere near a majority of the country.

    FlexibleToast ,

    On top of that, you can add that there is no advantage to getting a candidate from California. This is why I never understood Harris as the VP pick. Ideally, you get someone from a swing state like Whitmer.

    nl4real ,

    This late in the game, it’s almost certainly Harris. Probably picks a swing state governor like Whitmer or Shapiro.

    GiddyGap ,

    Or Mark Kelly. Regardless, it’s probably going to be a white male from a swing state to appeal to as broad of an electorate as possible.

    Bye ,

    Literally any straight white man center-right democrat born after 1968 would wipe the floor with trump.

    And before anyone jumps down my throat, that’s not what I want. I want president Cortez. But presidents are chosen by money and by about 10,000 generically stupid swing voters in Michigan and Pennsylvania.

    FlexibleToast ,

    Voters in Michigan that voted for Whitmer.

    Bye ,

    Fantastic point.

    reallykindasorta ,

    Bernie 2024, even if he dies of a heart attack first day his appointments would change the country for good and I don’t trust any party politicians on Palestine.

    girlfreddy ,
    @girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

    I’m hoping for a Kamala/AOC ticket.

    timewarp ,
    @timewarp@lemmy.world avatar

    Seeing AOC oddly shill for Biden before he dropped out… which I’d expect from Pelosi, Schumer & Schiff, but not from her. She may actually be trying to get the VP spot.

    timbuck2themoon ,

    Maybe she had better political acumen and knew he’d do better.

    timewarp ,
    @timewarp@lemmy.world avatar

    Maybe she saw an opportunity

    ShepherdPie ,

    How can one know how well a candidate will do in a future election?

    Carrolade ,

    She just did the calculus that Biden was our best shot, due to a whole shitton of different factors from Biden’s support among elderly voters, union support, money raised, polls being pretty crap for a few cycles now, shit like that.

    Now there will be logistical challenges, we have a lot of uncertainty ahead. She wanted to avoid that until we got some better answers.

    timewarp ,
    @timewarp@lemmy.world avatar

    Biden bros: No one has a plan if Biden drops out. Everyone else: Here is our plan. Biden bros still: No one has a plan if Biden drops out.

    Plan was open convention where delegates decide.

    Carrolade ,

    Yes, that’s an excellent example of uncertainty.

    timewarp ,
    @timewarp@lemmy.world avatar

    What is better… knowing Biden would lose to Trump, or being uncertain who the delegates will choose before the convention?

    ilmagico ,

    Nobody knew for sure Biden would lose and nobody knows for sure that whoever is picked will win. It was high uncertainty all along.

    Perfide ,

    If that’s what you call a “plan”, never manage anything, ever.

    mosiacmango ,

    Or you could read her arguments, which were direct and pragmatic. She was talking about how difficult this would be logistically, and that it would have been better to do 6 months ago, you know, when the progressive wing of the party raised the issue.

    AOC was “shilling” for some consistency, backbone and party unity out of a pragmatic need to beat back fascism. Now that this choice has been made, I’m betting she will continue with the same intent.

    timewarp ,
    @timewarp@lemmy.world avatar

    Biden was going to lose and he was making other Democrats lose. What did you expect the party to do, unite behind losing to Trump?

    AOC was prob smart, saw Biden didn’t believe he was going to lose and saw an opportunity before it played out.

    TipRing ,

    Further, Bernie and AOC are rather well aware that the progressive wing of the party would likely be blamed for “party disunity” if Biden stayed in and lost. They will not do anything to let the DNC scapegoat their caucus.

    the_tab_key ,

    Which is hilarious because Pelosi, Schumer, and Schiff were all against Biden continuing in the race…

    AOC understands politics and thinks things through, that’s it.

    timewarp ,
    @timewarp@lemmy.world avatar

    AOC has always been considered an outsider to Democrat leadership. She prob was thinking things through, but I don’t think it is because she thought Biden was going to win.

    ShepherdPie ,

    I agree it was likely more about party unity and not biting the hand that feeds you.

    revelrous ,

    Imo she’s trying to shield progressives from being the scapegoat, like how we got the blame for dem dysfunction in '16.

    SpaceCowboy ,
    @SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

    Politics is about getting the things you want, not dunking on people that disagree with you on a couple of things. You gotta compromise with people to get what you want. People feel like being uncompromising is somehow admirable, but in politics it means you get nothing. MAGAs are uncompromising, and they get a lot of likes on social media for it, but they’ve accomplish exactly nothing after winning the House in 2022.

    Biden has been good for the progressive wing of the party, and they may not get as good of a deal with Harris as they did with Biden. They will have to negotiate compromises with someone new and may not get as much.

    So do you rather politicians compromising and getting something to benefit you, or grandstanding and accomplishing nothing except providing a small amount of entertainment for you?

    jeffw ,
    @jeffw@lemmy.world avatar

    Biden just endorsed Kamala, so that much is likely. The VP will probably be one from a shortlist of 5 or so governors/senators from swing states.

    FlowVoid ,

    Maybe, but then the swing state could end up with a GOP governor. That’s one reason why VPs are often from safe seats, eg Harris, Pence, Biden, Palin, Quayle…

    jeffw ,
    @jeffw@lemmy.world avatar

    The shortlist I’ve seen thrown around a lot so far is pretty much Whitmer, Shapiro, Cooper, and Kelly. Maybe someone like Beshear, but I’d call that slightly lower odds than the others. I think they will probably lean away from a 2 woman ticket too

    FlowVoid ,

    I think you could add Pritzker to that list

    acosmichippo ,
    @acosmichippo@lemmy.world avatar

    that would be great, but there’s no way they double down on minorities and women in the same ticket. get ready for a biden jr as the VP.

    WanderingVentra ,

    That would be cool but I suspect it will be a white, straight man to balance out the ticket for the racists and sexists. Maybe someone from a swing state.

    ShepherdPie ,

    Yes more pandering from the DNC to the far right individuals who would never vote for a Democrat to begin with.

    audiomodder ,

    Aka what Biden was to Obama

    twistypencil ,

    Is AOC old enough?

    jo3shmoo ,

    Yes she’d be 35 before taking office.

    TexasDrunk ,

    She will be by the election.

    tryitout ,

    She will be by inauguration which is all that matters.

    marito ,

    Yes, she’ll be 35 by election day.

    ShepherdPie ,

    She will be before the election and long before the inauguration.

    twistypencil ,

    Ok, 1000 people replied, thank you, you can stop now lol

    teejay ,

    She will be by the time she’d take the oath.

    ThePyroPython ,

    As an outside observer I find it hard to believe that a place as right-wing as the US would elect a woman of colour as president. Isn’t that double red rag to the nutjob bulls?

    NoIWontPickAName ,

    Most of them were already voting trump anyway

    gh0stcassette ,
    @gh0stcassette@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    We elected Obama already, and the people who are so racist/sexist that they wouldn’t vote for Harris are mostly voting Trump. Plus, her being a woman means she can go way harder on Abortion, which is a winning strategy atm since support for abortion rights is insanely high and Republicans are actively trying to ban it completely.

    WoahWoah ,

    Automatic loss.

    Gerudo ,

    Hot damn I had forgotten about a new vp pick in the middle of all this. AOC won’t be it but needs to be.

    ralphio ,

    Honestly the biggest problem Biden had was that all his funding dried up after the debate.

    www.nytimes.com/2024/07/…/biden-fundraising.html

    Regardless of who you think would win in a vacuum you gotta acknowledge this.

    Speculater ,
    @Speculater@lemmy.world avatar

    I suspended my donations with a memo that they need to seriously consider running someone else. I’ll vote for Harris, but I’m not excited for her.

    thisbenzingring ,

    I think she’s as fine a candidate as we’re likely to get. The biggest bonus is breaking the glass ceiling, once and for ever. Not just a woman but a woman of a colorful heredity. It will be the best thing to happen in this era of bullshit politics.

    coffee_with_cream ,

    No talk of issues or positions here. Just “her sex and skin color.” Maybe that will get some people out to vote, but they did the same thing for Hillary and it did not work. “First woman president, she deserves it”

    the_post_of_tom_joad ,

    Her Turn

    who fucking thought of that? Dumbass

    chiliedogg ,

    Gretchen Whitmer would be an interesting choice. She would probably deliver Michigan and free up resources for the other states that matter.

    systemglitch ,

    I don’t know, that sounds awfully sexist and racist. There are a thousand things more important about a person than their heritage and sex.

    VanillaBean ,

    The biggest problem he had was getting old.

    FlexibleToast ,

    This means Harris shouldn’t have an advantage. She only had the advantage that she could use the funds that Biden raised.

    ralphio ,

    Presumably the donations will start coming back in now that Biden is out.

    FlexibleToast ,

    But now they can go to whomever the new candidate is.

    ralphio ,

    Ah OK I see what you’re saying. I misunderstood.

    ashok36 ,

    I stopped donating after the debate. I sent a donation today for 3x my usual. If they only respond to money, then withholding it is the only way to make them listen.

    MeatsOfRage ,

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/50eed994-bc3e-427b-9c19-b392491b0450.jpeg

    hotpot8toe ,

    Update: He endorsed Harris: nitter.poast.org/JoeBiden/…/1815087772216303933#m

    ToastedPlanet ,

    Biden endorsed Kamala. =)

    DarkGamer ,
    @DarkGamer@fedia.io avatar

    Kamala has a similar approval rating to Biden. If he wasn't viable, neither is she.

    ToastedPlanet ,

    Biden wasn’t viable because he has cognitive decline. Kamala will mop the floor with Trump in debates.

    DarkGamer , (edited )
    @DarkGamer@fedia.io avatar

    Both candidates are experiencing decline, and if Biden were elected and incapable of doing the job it would have resulted in a Harris Presidency anyway. It's such an odd thing to object over. We've had presidents in decline before and the country kept running just fine, (FDR, Reagan.)

    Biden did a fine job in office, I'm especially proud of his union support, and his policies were spot on in my opinion. To throw him under the bus like this seems really shitty.

    ToastedPlanet ,

    Biden made the right decision for the country.

    spujb ,

    Trump will visibly age on stage like Palpatine from the absolute roasting Harris would do to him

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    I would not be at all surprised if Trump refuses to debate her.

    tal ,
    @tal@lemmy.today avatar

    I think I remember reading an earlier analysis that says that Trump has no reason to accept debates with any potential new candidate, as it just gives them more visibility.

    Gerudo ,

    Absolutely. They had no reason to debate Biden again. They sure as shit won’t put him on stage against her, or ANY other candidate.

    the_frumious_bandersnatch ,

    This would be awesome. Give Harris a two hour uninterrupted prime time spot to let the former prosecutor make a case against electing a convicted felon and follow it with 2 hours of the oldest candidate in US history rambling. 😆

    kylie_kraft ,

    Charitable to think that Trump would agree to a debate with Harris.

    Minarble ,

    Why wouldn’t he? Is he to old and scared to cope?

    ShepherdPie ,

    Do you think debates are really going to sway voters at this point? Like the people considering Trump don’t already know what a blowhard he is?

    ToastedPlanet ,

    Debates can energize the voter base which is what we need right now. And who knows, the debates might even convince some people.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    To be fair, most people really don’t know much about her yet. She’s mostly stayed in the shadows as a VP. That could change, for better or worse, when they know her better.

    Carrolade ,

    People don’t know much about Kamala yet. That will now change very dramatically. Biden had hit his ceiling, a known quantity that everyone already knew very well. Harris has room to climb.

    Wxnzxn ,
    @Wxnzxn@lemmy.ml avatar

    That’s something I think some people just missed when Biden dropping out was debated. Of course, the other potential picks were polling behind him at that point. But he was showing clear signs that he had peaked, and would only be able to fight not to drop further. His most powerful argument had been not being Trump - which any candidate can wield. And any candidate with charisma and the ability to speak, debate and campaign has a lot of room to move up, whereas Biden was fighting not to move down.

    tal ,
    @tal@lemmy.today avatar

    The argument that I’ve seen made is that her approval rating will rise if she becomes the candidate.

    I’m not sure how realistic that is, but it’s the one that was made.

    TheDannysaur ,

    This is a hilarious misreading of polling data. Kamala may not win, but her percentage chance to win might be double or more of what Bidens was.

    People I follow were estimating Biden at 10-15% by the time the election rolled around. All the models assume that a candidate would run a normal campaign. Something that he is not capable of doing.

    Hello_there ,

    I'm going to donate to DNC to signal that this was a good idea

    MeThisGuy ,

    straight shooter

    VanillaBean ,

    Welp they must have looked at the data and saw Kamala or someone else would do significantly better. Hope they’re right.

    woop_woop ,

    The dnc has famously been able to do that

    chemical_cutthroat ,
    @chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world avatar

    Well known for picking the strongest candidate.

    WoahWoah ,

    TechAnon ,

    I hope so and if true we have to trust the data. My vote is solid blue based on virtues and most policies. There’s probably a lot of others like me.

    SpaceCowboy ,
    @SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

    It’s basically 50/50 with either Biden or Harris at the top of the ticket. Everything is in the margin of error, and polling has been notoriously inaccurate with Trump on the ballot.

    So you have to basically ignore the simple Trump vs. Biden or Trump vs. Harris or (Trump vs. anyone else you can think of) numbers because it’s pretty much unknown. But the data says a majority (even an majority of Democrats) want someone other than Biden on the ballot at election. BTW a majority of voters also want someone other than Trump on the ballot too.

    There’s also some data to suggest Trump is making some inroads with young male Black and Hispanic voters. Harris will negate a significant amount of that immediately and potentially even more when the GOP can’t resist blowing their racist dog whistles and show voters who they really are.

    So it’s kinda about looking at the data, but I think a large part of it is simple campaign facts. In times past a Presidential candidate would do two (sometimes three) rallies in two different states per day. And do interviews while traveling between campaign events. Trump isn’t capable of that pace. Biden most certainly isn’t capable of that pace. Harris can do that. We really haven’t seen a 100% balls to the wall presidential campaign in a while because it’s been two old guys in the last election and in this one… until now.

    Remember Biden also had to do the job of being President of the country while also campaigning. That’s a lot of work for even someone young, and Biden is so very old. Sure Harris is VP, but that’s mostly just getting some briefings (too keep up on events in case she might need to take over as Prez) and breaking ties in the Senate (which probably won’t be needed between now and election day). She can devote almost all of her time to campaigning while Biden couldn’t.

    taiyang ,

    In 2016 it was a “Vote Against Trump Regardless Of Who It Is”. It’s shaping up to be that again, but this gives me hope that maybe we’ll have someone we can vote for that we like… Even if just a little. Harris is no Obama in charm, but it’s a step in the right direction.

    baronvonj ,
    @baronvonj@lemmy.world avatar

    The general election will continue to be a strategic vote against the party you don’t want to win until voters come out en masse in the primaries. And those better candidates will have to actually be running in the primaries.

    Phenomephrene ,
    @Phenomephrene@thebrainbin.org avatar

    Not just the primaries; it's going to take a tea party style insurgency into the DNC in order to exact the actual changes that we are looking for. The long play is getting involved in your state level Democratic party apparatus and pushing for better representation of progressive policies in the party platform, and pushing people of progressive persuasions into the DNC. <--- Much inadvertent alliteration.

    FlexibleToast ,

    You mean not until the entire voting system is overhauled and the first pass the fence post system is abandoned.

    baronvonj ,
    @baronvonj@lemmy.world avatar

    Yes. I mean the thing that won’t happen until we overwhelmingly vote in the major parties primaries to put in representatives who will legislate those changes at the state level. Because 3rd party candidates aren’t winning with the current system, so we have to change the two major parties from within, through their primaries.

    FlexibleToast ,

    I don’t see that happening unless we were voting with rifles and guillotines.

    baronvonj ,
    @baronvonj@lemmy.world avatar

    No 3rd party has won a single electoral vote since Wallace in '68. He won 46. You have to go to Teddy Roosevelt in 1912 to top that with 88 (the most ever). It’s either taking over the parties from the local level up through their primaries or it will take the full collapse of our government with a new constitutional convention, and that probably won’t go well.

    FlexibleToast ,

    Like I said, rifles or guillotines. I don’t see it reasonably happening through voting in our current system.

    baronvonj ,
    @baronvonj@lemmy.world avatar

    Well it can’t if we don’t try. For the 2024 primaries in Texas we had 17.9M registered voters, 3.2M primary ballots cast, and only 900k of them were Democratic. So I get why people think it isn’t going to work. But I think anyone expecting a “don’t vote and let it burn down” situation to result in an immediate improvement rather than things getting insanely worse are deluding themselves to everyone’s detriment.

    FlexibleToast ,

    I’m definitely not in the don’t vote camp. I just think I have reasonable expectations of what my vote can accomplish, and it’s not much.

    baronvonj ,
    @baronvonj@lemmy.world avatar

    Definitely a lot of well earned cynicism about the process.

    audiomodder ,

    We actually saw this happen in 2020 in the Democratic Party. And establishment Democrats played the game to force Bernie out. We’re hearing from people that Biden wasn’t the best person to beat Trump, he was the best person to beat Bernie. That’s why they rallied around him and pulled the bullshit with Warren before Super Tuesday.

    baronvonj ,
    @baronvonj@lemmy.world avatar

    Yes, that was at the top. The president can’t unilaterally change state-owned voting laws. Bernie did succeed in getting more progressive candidates into the Democratic party primaries down ballot in 2018 and beyond. That pressure needs to be maintained all the way down to the state legislatures and city/county offices. We have to flip the states locally to get election reform at the state level in order to make 3rd party options viable at the national level. Focusing on the presidential race to shame Democrats into electoral reform is just an exercise in self-owning loss to the Republicans.

    Wxnzxn ,
    @Wxnzxn@lemmy.ml avatar

    At this point, it’s all just about delaying the repression and concentration of power under a Trump presidency, as well as trying to slow down the climate catastrophe as much as possible on top of that. Things won’t get better any time soon, it’s simply not the historical situation and dynamic at the moment, but every year to organise people for radical alternatives for when the global collapse progresses further is valuable.

    Imgonnatrythis ,

    I could care less about charm. I wish more people would. Personally, I want a fucking autistic that defines real goals, outlines a plan to achieve them, and measures their success on how efficiently the goals are met. I’m exaggerating a bit, but I miss the days where politicians had platforms and were willing to be something more than just a feeling.

    Psythik ,

    Couldn’t* care less.

    Imgonnatrythis ,

    Bad bot. I like to leave a little wiggle room. I’ve often suprised myself and found that when I care very little about something, I can sometimes find a little more apathy later on.

    toast ,

    If you can care less, why mention it? It is an empty statement, supporting nothing. It has no rhetorical impact at all, except that reinforces the idea in your audience that you haven’t even a good grasp of the language you are using.

    Imgonnatrythis ,

    Perhaps you are an English speaker from outside the US? It is an often used and well known colloquialism in the states. It’s not any more empty than other accepted forms of speech that lack traditional grammar or syntax.

    merriam-webster.com/…/could-couldnt-care-less

    To a non US English speaker it would understandably sound strange. But to correct someone using this phrase in the states would only make one look like a prick.

    toast ,

    It is an often used and well known colloquialism

    It is a bastardization of a well known colloquialism

    To a non US English speaker it would understandably sound strange

    To English speakers who’ve heard it and have given it any thought, it just sounds careless, or stupid

    If someone were to point out something like this to me, I’d just say “oops”, learn from it, and move on. I wouldn’t double down on it. It’s like defending ‘would of’, or ‘supposably’ - obvious mishearings of other words. People know what you mean; it is just that you are also telling them something you probably don’t mean to.

    Imgonnatrythis ,

    That’s just how language evolves. You can pick lots of hills to die on with so called bastardization of the English language, it’s full of these. If you understand this is part of modern English and just pick fights on the internet, congrats - you have a full time hobby. No one is doubling down, I could care less how you choose to speak, I just thought perhaps you were unaware that in parts of the world this is accepted evolution of the language.

    toast ,

    Eye sea. Ewe our sew wright. Make language mistake non possible. Easy awl understand every won know matter what. Y try harder

    Flax_vert ,

    It’s

    Joever

    superminerJG ,

    it is quite literally Joever

    jeffw ,
    @jeffw@lemmy.world avatar

    washingtonpost.com/…/open-convention-democrats-bi…

    “How Democrats would pick a new candidate if Biden drops out, step by step”

    One [possibility] is a virtual vote that would lock in a new nominee in early August, and the other is an “open” convention, a scenario the party hasn’t experienced since 1968.
    A convention is open when no candidate arrives with a clear majority of delegates, so the event turns into a mini-primary in which contenders scramble to persuade delegates to vote for them…
    Some states have August deadlines to get on the ballot for the general election, and early voting begins in some places in September. So party leaders probably would try to settle the nomination before the Democratic National Convention begins Aug. 19.

    There are two types of Democratic delegates. Pledged delegates commit to supporting the candidate state voters chose, although a “good conscience” clause in the party’s rules gives them a bit of wiggle room.

    Automatic delegates, often called superdelegates, are the party’s highest-profile leaders. They have the role because of the offices they hold (or held), and the group includes former presidents and vice presidents, Democratic governors, members of Congress and party officials. They are not pledged to any candidate and are not allowed to vote on the first ballot at the convention.

    PythagreousTitties ,

    Clusterfuck it is, then. Oh boy.

    SpaceCowboy ,
    @SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

    Not really. It’ll be Harris. Biden endorsed her and already other potential Dem front-runners are endorsing her. Within in a few days it’ll be like she’s the incumbent and no one will want to run against her for the same reasons they didn’t run against Biden. Plus the additional reason that they don’t want to screw up their chances of being her VP pick.

    Rayspekt ,

    Dumb question. Why didn’t they just schedule the convention prior to all deadlines regardless who runs for office? Is there any benefit to meeting so late?

    jeffw ,
    @jeffw@lemmy.world avatar

    It is before the deadlines but just barely. Typically the candidate is known before the convention, so you already have enough signatures to get on the ballot in every state

    Zaktor ,

    It wasn’t when they scheduled it. It was after Ohio’s deadline. And major parties don’t need signatures to put forward candidates.

    jeffw ,
    @jeffw@lemmy.world avatar

    Not in a general, no. They do in a primary though. In this case, you’re right, the candidate would get on the ballot by the delegates voting

    cerement ,
    @cerement@slrpnk.net avatar

    a scenario the party hasn’t experienced since 1968

    because the 1968 Democratic Convention went swimmingly – oh, they’re also holding this year’s convention in Chicago again you say? with increased police presence as well?

    gAlienLifeform ,
    @gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world avatar

    Well, at least there isn’t anything controversial going on overseas that’s got the college kids riled up this time /s

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