If he dies of natural causes, half the conspiracies will be that he isn’t dead or he reincarnated, and the other half will be that he was killed by Biden or trans antifa pedo activists
I want the man rejected by the country and defeated at the ballot box, not turned into a martyr that’ll inspire another generation of MTGs, Boberts, and DeSantises.
About 10 minutes ago Wolf Blitzer was on a phone call interview with someone (I did not get the name), who was apparently sitting in the from row and this person claimed they though a General, some member of Trump’s entourage, possibly another speaker at the event… he claimed they were shot in the head.
Tbh I’m surprised this hasn’t happened sooner to him or the Supreme Court. Not that I endorse violence, I’m just kind of surprised considering all the violence the right wing has perpetrated up to now. It’s really a last resort for everyone else.
As I said to someone else- that is the literal definition of a martyr, not the political concept of a martyr. The latter is what matters. There are plenty of examples of political martyrs who survived and did well because of it. The most prominent right now is the House Majority Leader, Steve Scalise, who survived the mass shooter at the congressional baseball game a few years ago and has been riding that sympathy wave ever since.
Right, like how they all rose up during the BLM riots. Trump supporters won’t do anything. If they do a lot of people will defend themselves from them.
I do think people are becoming overly worried about this sort of thing having a negative effect, or a large amount of sway. I haven’t seen really anyone who doesn’t have a schizo political affiliation actually commit these sorts of things. The guy who killed shinzo abe killed him for affiliation with a cult, the guy who tried to kill reagan shot him because he was undiagnosed and thought a celebrity wanted him to do it.
I don’t think the right wing has enough support broadly, and the hardcore groyper trump types definitely don’t have enough support, in order to actually have some sort of large scale mass riot or protest like with BLM. Charlottesville is about the best they’re gonna be able to do. But despite their relatively lower numbers, and we’re talking like, a fraction of a fraction of a fraction here, we’ve seen that they are overwhelmingly ready to commit political violence over other political groups, as one might predict and as we saw during BLM. I agree with lots of people that are saying we might get retaliatory attacks from this, but I’m also agreeing that those might’ve happened anyways just as well, or might’ve happened for any other reason, it’s really hard to tell.
Your average trump supporter, though, I’d be incredibly surprised if they did anything, and I don’t think this is going to result in civil war despite how much people seem to want to manifest that as a reality. I’m more concerned with how this has probably just ensured that he’s gonna get back in the white house.
All emotions, big on rhetoric, not so good on repurcussions & consequences for actions.
However. I don’t see much really coming from this, just a galvanized Trump base. Maybe some switcjes in the middle. And I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s a false flag, “Oooo, LOOK, now we’ve found a conservative that wants to kill Biden! Both sides!”
…except nobody’s dumb enough to assassinate a senile lame duck. And everybody knows, nobody wants Kamala as POTUS. 🙄
Tell me any time in history where fascism has just said “You know what? You’re right. The votes say it all, we’re just gonna knock it off now…”
Violence has always been the thing that gets response. Without it, your begging and pleading is toothless. You’ll continue to get stomped on, you’ll continue to have your rights stripped away. You’ll continue to roll backwards in history until someone else says “You know what, this has gone too far…” and…uses violence to put an end to it.
You know why the pen is mightier than the sword? Because the pen can rally millions of swords in its place.
You’re “own” isn’t an own at all. Prayers are important. Especially for the now deceased shooter, his family and the victims (including Trump). Lots of callousness in this thread.
I think it was just it wasn’t out yet. We should be hesitant before assuming anything is fake at this point info will be coming out for the next few days.
He’s not dropping out, this grift is his income of money and attention both until the day he dies. Plus he can’t drop out because Putin will release whatever blackmail he has on him
It’s not clear at all that that’s what happened. It is completely plausible that someone would shoot a firearm at a candidate in a hotly contested presidential election. Let wait for evidence to roll in yeah?
My evidence (in addition to the weirdness of his reaction, and the convenient blood) - has any article mentioned a shooter being seen/shot/arrested/known to exist? I can’t remember a time where there was a shooting and no article said ANYTHING about a shooter, only about the shots. Nothing could be better for the Trump campaign than for him to be “almost” assassinated.
A person believed to be a shooter at today’s Donald Trump Pennsylvania rally is dead, as well as an audience member in attendance, the Butler County District Attorney has said.
In addition to the two fatalities, one other person is believed to be in a critical condition.
OK fair, I couldn’t find any such reference when I looked, but clearly did a shit job.
I’m still not capable of believing anything in Trump’s life is genuine, so it still feels staged to me, but I acknowledge that my evidence has been debunked.
Still true that the Yall’qaeda are going to go into overdrive and I fear for what they do in their bloodlust…
On the other hand, if I was an unhinged person with a gun and I thought there was a good chance a fascist dictator might run the U.S., I might be inclined to try to do something about it.
There’s no reason not to rule something like that out.
Yeah the truth is we don’t know. There are lots of possible causes we can’t rule out at this point, it seems dangerous for a publicity stunt, but it’s possible. Someone afraid and somewhat unhinged, among other possibilities.
Yes. You are correct. On reflection I should have put quotes around it as it was intented to convey that but not actually imply that it was the case. It is good you called it out.
Being serious about it for a moment, it’s extremely unlikely that it’s a false flag attack. It’s fun to joke about the idea, but the reality is that it doesn’t appear to be staged, and he’s far too much of a coward to agree to have somebody shoot at him.
Besides that, there’s plenty of politically-unaffiliated groups or individuals who would probably want him gone just for how his last term contributed to the abortion bans, reunification of church and state (in some states), government corruption, etc.
No one needs to actually shoot at him, he can just have a capsule of fake blood in his hand and smear it on himself at the right moment. It’s so easy even he can do it.
I don’t think vote to obscurity can apply here. Trump will always have a platform because he is a living engagement machine and that drives the Internet mad. He wins he’s the top story, he loses he’s the top story, he gets convicted he’s the top story. The man is immortal in the worst way possible and the world is basically f*cked.
Nah, this is just want Trumpers want you to believe. He gets attention because he’s genuinely trying to foment a fascist overthrow of the government, not because he’s some media mastermind.
This is the one possible scenario that could make things even worse. They can’t replace the head of the snake, but they can sure as fuck pump that the head was shot and injured. They did the same with Hitler.
History is repeating itself far to close for this to be comfortable.
Can’t say that’s necessarily true (that last bit). They are sworn in to duty to protect current or past president’s with their life, regardless of personal belief.
My perspective is that the secret service guys are bound to life.
I recalled hearing a couple things over the course of the Jan 6th impeachment hearings, which is the President has some say in who his personal detail is, and that there was some info pertaining to them being supportive of him personally. I’d have to review to be certain though.
I know a couple current and former USSS agents, they’re hardcore trump supporters. That’s not to say they all are as I don’t know them all, but they are law enforcement after all.
if we get a video showing something changing on his face before he touches it or falls to the ground, I think that would rule out false flag, or at least they would have had to actually shoot something at him to do that.
Those that were going to stay home because he’s a rapist with 34 felonies will still stay home. This means nothing unless it comes out that it was a planned stunt, then he loses whatever credibility he had. Wait, never mind, he has zero credibility so his cult won’t give two shits and will continue to do and think whatever fox “news” tells them to do.
Trump lost the popular vote to Clinton by 2.9 million votes. He lost to Biden by 8.8 million votes. The last Republican president to win the popular vote was George W. Bush.
It’s a Republican’s best friend, the Electoral college. More people want progressive candidates, not regressive backwards criminals.
He was elected by the minority of the population, and with the help of a Senate that represents a minority of the population, appointed a third of the Supreme Court.
With a more representative electoral system (like Ranked Choice voting) Republicans would be free to place a more moderate candidate as their first vote, assured in the knowledge that their vote would still count against the people they don’t want in office.
In the short term, I am expecting right-wing nutjobs to do their own sort of retaliatory shootings, targeting whomever their personal info bubble blames as a group.
Further violence and a mild Civil War are not best case scenario. Queer people dying for your cause is not best case scenario.
Best case scenario (and what seems to be the alt theory on literally every social I have, and on some I don’t have), is that everyone believes this was a false flag (and/or there’s evidence it was a false flag). That fact that so many people IMMEDIATELY questioned the shooting is a really good sign. People just don’t trust him at all. Boy Who Cried Wolf etc
Nobody is changing their vote over this shit. Democrats are pretty entrenched in not Trump. They knew what was at stake this election as soon as Trump stepped back up.
Yeah, SS would have stormed him out of the area and into a safe place within moments of that shit. There’s no way they’d have cleared the area. No one would have known if there were a second or third shooter.
Now they’re saying someone is dead and they got the shooter?
What? Are you fucking delusional? I understand brown people are not really people for you guys there, but do you realize how many people indirectly and directly “these” people have killed in Syria alone, counting only cases of being simply too lazy?
Killing two people for fucking presidency? You think it’s unrealistic?
Anyway, the answer to the question “how Machiavellian” is “fully” for everybody participating in politics, because we are still homo sapiens and our time is just as Machiavellian as Machiavelli’s time, there are no naive people there, and if there are no poisonings and assassinations left and right there, that’s for the same reason only there are no nukings left and right on the map, not because they are moral.
I understand brown people are not really people for you guys
What the fuck… ?
How am I delusional for not thinking this was staged? The moving parts required for it to be staged are an order of magnitude more complex and voluminous than it just being a lone nut with an AR-15. Unless you have some actual solid verifiable evidence that calls the boring reality of the situation into question, I’d maybe dial down the rhetoric a tad.
I mean it might have been, but with the modern insanity around politics and guns and violence, and the general unhinged nature of the population generally, it’s equally or more likely to be some deranged person with a gun. WHY for the love of god add to the chaos by speculating without any evidence yet? Does it help?
Because speculation is all we have with someone like Trump who seemingly failed upward with his every move. Do you think we’re going to ever know what really happened? This shit was clean. Despite the fact that he was allowed to stand and shake a defiant fist moments later, without knowing if there were more shooters. How did his secret service know the area was secure? In reality, he would have been rushed to safety within a minute of the shooting.
Yeah. Here’s what speculation allows for;
• Gets found guilty 34 times over? Gets more followers.
• Gets found guilty of sexual assault. Gets more followers
• Gets tied to Epstein. Gets more followers
• Gets shot at. Wins an election.
There is no stopping that fat fuck because theres no limit to American ignorance.
It will galvanize his base, who were already voting for him, to be sure. But I doubt this will swing many voters. Trump is still Trump, regardless of assassination attempt.
Then you are incredibly historically naive. He was already winning by every available metric. So, if nothing had changed at all there was already an extremely high likelihood of him being reelected. This only serves to further strengthen his chances.
I don’t think people really understand how stupid, brainwashed, and weak minded the average American truly is. There are plenty of people who will vote for him because surviving an assassination attempt makes him look strong. Count on it.
You could make points without calling the other person naive. No need to make the internet a worse place.
As far as “every available metric” goes, you’re talking polls, and polls are garbage. Every poll had Clinton winning in late October 2016.
And we’re in an unprecedented portion of politics in American history, so bringing up historical measurements doesn’t convince me like you think it would.
Individual polls are meaningless. I only care about the trends of the the aggregate polling. Five Thirty Eight has had Trump leading by an average of 2 points in aggregate polling basically from the beginning. There has never been a time where Biden was ahead during this election cycle. Therefore, using the available metrics it is clear that Donald Trump is on the path to returning to the White House.
Were those national popular vote polls? If so, you have to factor in the electoral advantage Republicans have. If the national popular vote is tied, Republicans will win.
You’re confusing the average American with the republikkklown voters. That’s not even close to average. The average voter knows he’s a racist rapist with 34 felonies that caused a failed insurrection. They won’t forget. They will vote and your wanna be dictator will do what he’s best at… LOSING.
I know you want to stick me in that bubble to make yourself feel better. I hated Donald Trump long before 2016. I knew about his ties to Jeffrey Epstein before that name was even in the public lexicon. I’ve been following the downfall of the Amerikan Empire since as long as I have been politically aware. This is just the latest dominoe to fall.
I don’t care who you say you hate, when you’re spitting bullshit, it’s still bullshit. I’m betting your ip address without a vpn would be very interesting, amirite?
Whatever you are implying you should just come out and say it. You think I’m a Russian troll? You think I’m astroturfing? Think whatever you want. I literally couldn’t give a fuck less.
Fascists should be afraid to show their faces in public, but this particular fascist needs to live long enough to spend time in prison.
Apparently people died there today. That's probably bad. Don't just assume the dead were worthless fascists. I hope it wasn't some innocent media person covering the event for their local news or something.
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