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mercano , in Trump rushed off stage after gun shots targeting him
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While I hate what this guy represents politically, the last thing this country needs is Trump getting turned into a martyr.

otp ,

If he dies of natural causes, half the conspiracies will be that he isn’t dead or he reincarnated, and the other half will be that he was killed by Biden or trans antifa pedo activists

dactylotheca ,
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And Republicans will believe in both simultaneously

Pyr_Pressure ,

You think martyr is worse than dictator?

mercano ,
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I want the man rejected by the country and defeated at the ballot box, not turned into a martyr that’ll inspire another generation of MTGs, Boberts, and DeSantises.

HurlingDurling ,
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Sadly he’s a fucking martyr now… Or at least he’s going to protray himself as such.

catloaf , in Gunshots reportedly fired at Donald Trump rally - as former president rushed off stage

I hope no innocent bystanders were injured.

Yeller_king ,

Innocent bystanders? I guess there were some journalists there.

sp3tr4l , (edited )

About 10 minutes ago Wolf Blitzer was on a phone call interview with someone (I did not get the name), who was apparently sitting in the from row and this person claimed they though a General, some member of Trump’s entourage, possibly another speaker at the event… he claimed they were shot in the head.

Aatube ,

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/07/13/us/biden-trump-election/876674c3-6e5e-5000-8224-fc18c3a6216c?smid=url-share

There is blood visible on the left hand bleachers. It appears that a rallygoer might have been hit by a ricocheting bullet

anon ,

I don’t think the person you are replying to thinks there are innocent bystanders at a trump rally

Aatube ,

I don't think you see who I'm replying to

SeaJ ,

Two people were killed: the potential shooter and someone else.

fine_sandy_bottom ,

They’re saying one person in the crowd died, one person was injured, and the shooter was shot.

p5yk0t1km1r4ge , in Donald Trump speech shooting: Gunshots heard at president’s rally – latest news
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  • WanderingVentra ,

    Tbh I’m surprised this hasn’t happened sooner to him or the Supreme Court. Not that I endorse violence, I’m just kind of surprised considering all the violence the right wing has perpetrated up to now. It’s really a last resort for everyone else.

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  • FlyingSquid ,
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    I’m not. Now he’s a martyr and he was barely hurt.

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  • marx2k ,

    Martyrs are dead by definition

    FlyingSquid ,
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    As I said to someone else- that is the literal definition of a martyr, not the political concept of a martyr. The latter is what matters. There are plenty of examples of political martyrs who survived and did well because of it. The most prominent right now is the House Majority Leader, Steve Scalise, who survived the mass shooter at the congressional baseball game a few years ago and has been riding that sympathy wave ever since.

    lightnsfw ,

    You shouldn’t be. This is just going to rile his base up even more.

    SeattleRain ,

    Right, like how they all rose up during the BLM riots. Trump supporters won’t do anything. If they do a lot of people will defend themselves from them.

    daltotron ,

    I do think people are becoming overly worried about this sort of thing having a negative effect, or a large amount of sway. I haven’t seen really anyone who doesn’t have a schizo political affiliation actually commit these sorts of things. The guy who killed shinzo abe killed him for affiliation with a cult, the guy who tried to kill reagan shot him because he was undiagnosed and thought a celebrity wanted him to do it.

    I don’t think the right wing has enough support broadly, and the hardcore groyper trump types definitely don’t have enough support, in order to actually have some sort of large scale mass riot or protest like with BLM. Charlottesville is about the best they’re gonna be able to do. But despite their relatively lower numbers, and we’re talking like, a fraction of a fraction of a fraction here, we’ve seen that they are overwhelmingly ready to commit political violence over other political groups, as one might predict and as we saw during BLM. I agree with lots of people that are saying we might get retaliatory attacks from this, but I’m also agreeing that those might’ve happened anyways just as well, or might’ve happened for any other reason, it’s really hard to tell.

    Your average trump supporter, though, I’d be incredibly surprised if they did anything, and I don’t think this is going to result in civil war despite how much people seem to want to manifest that as a reality. I’m more concerned with how this has probably just ensured that he’s gonna get back in the white house.

    lightnsfw ,

    They don’t need to rise up. They just need to show up at the polls.

    HaleHirsute ,

    As much as you feel he might deserve it, this will have worse results for defeating him.

    fxt_ryknow ,

    Glad your happy… You going to be happy when his base rallies now, too?

    I love how left leaning all of lemmy is… But the comments encouraging the violence or disappointment in the fact the shooter “missed”, seems off.

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  • CoffeeJunkie ,

    All emotions, big on rhetoric, not so good on repurcussions & consequences for actions.

    However. I don’t see much really coming from this, just a galvanized Trump base. Maybe some switcjes in the middle. And I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s a false flag, “Oooo, LOOK, now we’ve found a conservative that wants to kill Biden! Both sides!”

    …except nobody’s dumb enough to assassinate a senile lame duck. And everybody knows, nobody wants Kamala as POTUS. 🙄

    tigeruppercut ,

    Unfortunately for the civilized world, fascism often only dies at the end of a gun.

    kitnaht ,

    Glad your you’re happy…

    ftfy.

    Tell me any time in history where fascism has just said “You know what? You’re right. The votes say it all, we’re just gonna knock it off now…”

    Violence has always been the thing that gets response. Without it, your begging and pleading is toothless. You’ll continue to get stomped on, you’ll continue to have your rights stripped away. You’ll continue to roll backwards in history until someone else says “You know what, this has gone too far…” and…uses violence to put an end to it.

    You know why the pen is mightier than the sword? Because the pen can rally millions of swords in its place.

    nl4real , in Gunshots reportedly fired at Donald Trump rally - as former president rushed off stage

    Shit hit the fan big time.

    SaintWacko , in Gunshots reportedly fired at Donald Trump rally - as former president rushed off stage

    Thoughts and prayers

    Cold_Brew_Enema ,

    I, too, will be doing nothing

    margaritox ,

    😂

    Manmoth ,

    You’re “own” isn’t an own at all. Prayers are important. Especially for the now deceased shooter, his family and the victims (including Trump). Lots of callousness in this thread.

    Jiggle_Physics ,

    Since when have prayers changed things? Oh, right, never.

    Fuckfuckmyfuckingass , in Donald Trump speech shooting: Gunshots heard at president’s rally – latest news
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    Captain_CapsLock OP ,

    Come on man, you’re making me laugh at someone getting shot. XD

    Today ,

    Almost

    2484345508 , in Gunshots reportedly fired at Donald Trump rally - as former president rushed off stage

    Fake. Grabs ear, applies blood, doubles down on maga nonsense.

    Or… real and he drops out.

    Glad to see the anti-Trump crowd is getting balls.

    octopus_ink ,

    Fake. Grabs ear, applies blood, doubles down on maga nonsense.

    This is my first reaction. Let’s see if somehow the shooter “eludes” them.

    2484345508 ,

    Right. Then he uses it to accuses any one of being involved. Right to jail.

    Or it’s real 🤷‍♂️ but my money, at this point, is on a scam.

    KingJalopy ,

    Shooter was killed apparently. I posted a pic up there ^

    octopus_ink ,

    Yeah I apparently sucked in my search or didn’t give the news time to make it out there.

    FireTower ,
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    I think it was just it wasn’t out yet. We should be hesitant before assuming anything is fake at this point info will be coming out for the next few days.

    JJROKCZ ,

    He’s not dropping out, this grift is his income of money and attention both until the day he dies. Plus he can’t drop out because Putin will release whatever blackmail he has on him

    2484345508 ,

    They have something on him for sure.

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  • Captain_CapsLock OP ,

    It’s not clear at all that that’s what happened. It is completely plausible that someone would shoot a firearm at a candidate in a hotly contested presidential election. Let wait for evidence to roll in yeah?

    ChihuahuaOfDoom ,

    You know for a fact that if the shoe were on the other foot, this is exactly the rhetoric we’d be hearing.

    Captain_CapsLock OP ,

    You’re right. Wouldn’t surprise me one bit. But I still hold all parties to a standard of honest discourse.

    Lifecoach5000 ,

    Doesn’t make it right or acceptable.

    FlyingSquid ,
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    So let’s not do what they do and live in an evidence-based world and not an emotion-based one.

    The “facts don’t care about your feelings” party doesn’t care about facts and spends a lot of time on how their feelings are hurt.

    octopus_ink ,

    My evidence (in addition to the weirdness of his reaction, and the convenient blood) - has any article mentioned a shooter being seen/shot/arrested/known to exist? I can’t remember a time where there was a shooting and no article said ANYTHING about a shooter, only about the shots. Nothing could be better for the Trump campaign than for him to be “almost” assassinated.

    FlyingSquid ,
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    Shooter dead and audience member killed

    A person believed to be a shooter at today’s Donald Trump Pennsylvania rally is dead, as well as an audience member in attendance, the Butler County District Attorney has said.

    In addition to the two fatalities, one other person is believed to be in a critical condition.

    news.sky.com/…/trump-shooting-latest-bloodied-tru…

    octopus_ink ,

    OK fair, I couldn’t find any such reference when I looked, but clearly did a shit job.

    I’m still not capable of believing anything in Trump’s life is genuine, so it still feels staged to me, but I acknowledge that my evidence has been debunked.

    Still true that the Yall’qaeda are going to go into overdrive and I fear for what they do in their bloodlust…

    FlyingSquid ,
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    Sure. It could have been faked.

    On the other hand, if I was an unhinged person with a gun and I thought there was a good chance a fascist dictator might run the U.S., I might be inclined to try to do something about it.

    There’s no reason not to rule something like that out.

    nickhammes ,

    Yeah the truth is we don’t know. There are lots of possible causes we can’t rule out at this point, it seems dangerous for a publicity stunt, but it’s possible. Someone afraid and somewhat unhinged, among other possibilities.

    WanderingVentra ,

    Wonder if this should be posted as a new article to the news communities? It’s important, more relevant information.

    FlyingSquid ,
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    Unfortunately that’s just one update on a page with regular updates. You would have to find a better link.

    catloaf ,

    Bruh it happened like an hour ago. But news stories about the shooter being killed are coming out now.

    bolexforsoup ,

    Yes it would be the case. Should we start behaving like right wing conspiracy theorists now?

    Cryophilia ,

    Yeah but that’s because Republicans are fuckin idiots

    retrospectology ,
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    I wouldn’t be surprised either way, honestly. It would be the right timing for a false flag though for sure.

    But then on the other hand this is the prescribed treatment for tyrants, per our fore-bearers.

    bolexforsoup , (edited )

    You’re doing what they do.

    BugKilla ,
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    Yes. You are correct. On reflection I should have put quotes around it as it was intented to convey that but not actually imply that it was the case. It is good you called it out.

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  • Treczoks ,

    I would not put this beyond him.

    winterayars ,

    I think it would be. Not morally, just i don’t think he’s competent enough.

    JimSamtanko ,

    Some? They anyone with a functional brain that has been paying attention. Nothing the dude has ever done has been honest.

    JimmyBigSausage ,

    Fake fake fake

    Drusas ,

    That's called a false flag attack. I could believe it, but I could also believe it was a sincere attack.

    pivot_root ,

    Being serious about it for a moment, it’s extremely unlikely that it’s a false flag attack. It’s fun to joke about the idea, but the reality is that it doesn’t appear to be staged, and he’s far too much of a coward to agree to have somebody shoot at him.

    Besides that, there’s plenty of politically-unaffiliated groups or individuals who would probably want him gone just for how his last term contributed to the abortion bans, reunification of church and state (in some states), government corruption, etc.

    ComicalMayhem ,

    there’s also plenty of fence sitters and centrists who I sincerely believe would vote for him on tough guy vibes alone, despite him being a coward

    IzzyScissor ,

    Would he be told about this plan? It’d certainly be more convincing if he didn’t know, and was set up by the RNC.

    HappycamperNZ ,

    Hes fully too much of a coward to be shot at.

    But you’re assuming he was shot at. Ducked, hidden away from camera, then blood on him.

    No one is ducking a bullet

    Valmond ,

    No one needs to actually shoot at him, he can just have a capsule of fake blood in his hand and smear it on himself at the right moment. It’s so easy even he can do it.

    Could also have been a real shooter.

    TipRing ,

    Right after meeting with Orban who just met with Putin? I don’t know if I really think that, but I would say it’s possible.

    pivot_root ,

    From the article:

    Trump stood up and held his fist in the air with what appeared to be blood dripping down his face.

    Several secret service agents surrounded him as he put his hand up and appeared to shout “fight” to his supporters who began cheering.

    An excellent PR stunt and call to action for his violent insurrectionist supporters, if you ask me.

    MapleEngineer , in Donald Trump speech shooting: Gunshots heard at president’s rally – latest news
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    Remember that Biden is immune thanks to the SCOTUS.

    Mouselemming ,

    He has a alibi, he’s in Delaware. But as long as it was an official act, he could order it.

    MapleEngineer ,
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    He wouldn’t do it himself. He would order Seal Team 6 to do t. They wouldn’t have missed, though.

    NuXCOM_90Percent ,

    Nah, this was obviously Hunter Biden in a Gritty Suit. The gunman who got massacred by the cops was just a patsy like Lee Harvey Oswald

    MapleEngineer ,
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    A Libertarian friend from Florida joking suggested Hunter Biden. I think it was Melania.

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  • Mokopa ,

    That was my first thought too, but then it looks pretty realistic, and he’s a terrible actor…

    emax_gomax ,

    I don’t think vote to obscurity can apply here. Trump will always have a platform because he is a living engagement machine and that drives the Internet mad. He wins he’s the top story, he loses he’s the top story, he gets convicted he’s the top story. The man is immortal in the worst way possible and the world is basically f*cked.

    Delusional ,

    I miss the short years where we heard nothing from the piece of shit right after the 2020 election.

    RestrictedAccount ,

    Damn. I wish you weren’t exactly right, but you are.

    SeattleRain , (edited )

    Nah, this is just want Trumpers want you to believe. He gets attention because he’s genuinely trying to foment a fascist overthrow of the government, not because he’s some media mastermind.

    ProtecyaTec ,

    Trump will always have a platform because…

    Yeah, but for how many more years? There’s absolutely no way he’d run again if he loses, so it’s really just a short ticking clock.

    JasonDJ ,

    There’s no way he doesn’t win, even if he loses.

    peopleproblems ,

    This is the one possible scenario that could make things even worse. They can’t replace the head of the snake, but they can sure as fuck pump that the head was shot and injured. They did the same with Hitler.

    History is repeating itself far to close for this to be comfortable.

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  • SendMePhotos ,

    Can’t say that’s necessarily true (that last bit). They are sworn in to duty to protect current or past president’s with their life, regardless of personal belief.

    My perspective is that the secret service guys are bound to life.

    lennybird ,
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    I recalled hearing a couple things over the course of the Jan 6th impeachment hearings, which is the President has some say in who his personal detail is, and that there was some info pertaining to them being supportive of him personally. I’d have to review to be certain though.

    rdrunner ,

    I know a couple current and former USSS agents, they’re hardcore trump supporters. That’s not to say they all are as I don’t know them all, but they are law enforcement after all.

    reddithalation ,

    if we get a video showing something changing on his face before he touches it or falls to the ground, I think that would rule out false flag, or at least they would have had to actually shoot something at him to do that.

    drunkpostdisaster ,

    He is a martyr now. And alive. That assassin just killed the country

    Montagge ,

    People that vote for trump after this were going to vote for him anyways

    drunkpostdisaster ,

    Some might have stayed home.

    Montagge ,

    Nah, those snowflakes were gonna vote

    sgtgig ,

    I don’t think this is going to energize anyone four months from now. Attention spans are too short.

    InternetUser2012 ,

    Those that were going to stay home because he’s a rapist with 34 felonies will still stay home. This means nothing unless it comes out that it was a planned stunt, then he loses whatever credibility he had. Wait, never mind, he has zero credibility so his cult won’t give two shits and will continue to do and think whatever fox “news” tells them to do.

    takeda ,

    like vote by mail? Because the snowflakes that I know do exactly that after being so against it.

    anon ,

    so it’s just an attendance issue that he won one and lost one, or fraud?

    Montagge ,

    More people voted for him in 2020 than in 2016

    ABCDE ,

    But far more voted for Biden than Clinton. Turnout was very high.

    freddydunningkruger ,

    Trump lost the popular vote to Clinton by 2.9 million votes. He lost to Biden by 8.8 million votes. The last Republican president to win the popular vote was George W. Bush.

    It’s a Republican’s best friend, the Electoral college. More people want progressive candidates, not regressive backwards criminals.

    JasonDJ ,

    He was elected by the minority of the population, and with the help of a Senate that represents a minority of the population, appointed a third of the Supreme Court.

    Minority rule is here.

    UltraGiGaGigantic ,

    With a more representative electoral system (like Ranked Choice voting) Republicans would be free to place a more moderate candidate as their first vote, assured in the knowledge that their vote would still count against the people they don’t want in office.

    Wxnzxn ,
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    In the short term, I am expecting right-wing nutjobs to do their own sort of retaliatory shootings, targeting whomever their personal info bubble blames as a group.

    drunkpostdisaster ,

    I hate to say it but that might be the best case scenario. At least in that case biden is in office when the violence starts

    dudinax ,

    As with presidential immunity they shot their wad too early.

    LustyArgonianMana ,
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    Further violence and a mild Civil War are not best case scenario. Queer people dying for your cause is not best case scenario.

    Best case scenario (and what seems to be the alt theory on literally every social I have, and on some I don’t have), is that everyone believes this was a false flag (and/or there’s evidence it was a false flag). That fact that so many people IMMEDIATELY questioned the shooting is a really good sign. People just don’t trust him at all. Boy Who Cried Wolf etc

    drunkpostdisaster ,

    Best case scenario in terms of shit that might actually happen I should say

    SeattleRain ,

    Yeah, gotta be ready for that.

    theangryseal ,

    This is my thought exactly. I have never felt such a somber feeling.

    He’s god now. It’s over.

    ProtecyaTec ,

    Nobody is changing their vote over this shit. Democrats are pretty entrenched in not Trump. They knew what was at stake this election as soon as Trump stepped back up.

    drunkpostdisaster ,

    Its more than just the election. Trump is not going to go away if he loses in November.

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  • TransplantedSconie , in Donald Trump speech shooting: Gunshots heard at president’s rally – latest news

    Guess some of those 2nd Ammendment guys might be “trying to do something about it” eh Donnie?

    This is what you get when you preach hate 24/7. This isn’t a gameshow.

    JimSamtanko ,

    Well, it was probably staged, so….

    Botzo , (edited )

    Absolutely. False flag for sure.

    Edit: /s. Half of you are way too serious.

    MeekerThanBeaker ,

    I dunno. I saw the footage. If the guy from Home Alone 2 was acting, he’d be a lot more blatant.

    Plus, wouldn’t secret service be in on it? I bet you they can’t stand the guy either.

    meleecrits ,
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    From my understanding, his service detail are all true believers. Remember, most LEOs and the like are very right wing.

    MeekerThanBeaker ,

    Well, that may be true. According to AP, the gunman and an attendee are dead. So… not staged.

    AmbiguousProps ,

    At least two confirmed dead:

    Butler County District attorney told the Associated Press (AP) that a shooter was dead and that a rally attendee had also been killed.

    SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

    Unless it was a blood capsule or something the guy is too much of a pussy to pull something like this off.

    JimSamtanko ,

    Blood capsule or something similar.

    DogPeePoo ,

    “There was ketchup dripping down his cheeks”

    —Cassidy Hutchinson

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    NotAnotherLemmyUser ,

    Plus an image of some blood on the bleacher from a live stream that kept running:

    imgur.com/a/V0SyhKE

    foggy ,

    You recall that he wanted to rip off his suit and display a Superman logo after beating covid, right?

    Id say it’s on brand.

    Balinares ,

    The bullet is totally a crisis actor, you can also see it in that one Reagan clip. /s

    JimSamtanko ,

    What bullet?

    KingJalopy ,

    Can be seen in the JFK “assassination” as well. Dude gets around.

    rambling_lunatic ,

    x.com/merylkornfield/status/1812263916497506711?s…

    According to a Washington Post reporter that talked with the district attorney, an audience member and the shooter are dead. Not a stunt.

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  • JimSamtanko ,

    Yeah, SS would have stormed him out of the area and into a safe place within moments of that shit. There’s no way they’d have cleared the area. No one would have known if there were a second or third shooter.

    Now they’re saying someone is dead and they got the shooter?

    maynarkh ,

    I had to do a double take on that abbreviation

    JimSamtanko ,

    Same meaning at this point.

    maynarkh ,

    Schutzstaffel, as in protective service would probably be a better description of what they actually do I guess

    Secret service better fits sg like the CIA

    teft ,
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    Right? USSS is the proper abbreviation for the United States Secret Service.

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  • JimSamtanko ,

    Again, I wouldn’t be surprised if they just shot a random person, claimed they were the shooter and wrapped this up.

    He is an abhorrently cruel person. And those that follow him are as well. None of this is outlandish enough to not be true.

    teft ,
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    Also right as steam was picking up about Project 2025.

    58008 ,
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    The shooter and an audience member are dead. How Machiavellian do you think these people are that they’d kill two people for a PR stunt?

    formergijoe ,

    Yeah I too thought it was staged until bodies showed up. Anyone continuing to say this was staged at this point feels very Alex Jones.

    rigatti ,
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    I don’t think it was staged, but I also don’t think they would give a shit if other people died during a staged shooting.

    formergijoe ,

    I agree, but I don’t think Donny is brave enough to allow lethal ammo to stage anything.

    rigatti ,
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    Also true.

    cabron_offsets ,

    Honestly: do you think they have regard for people’s lives? Not that I think this is staged.

    58008 ,
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    They’d surely have regard for Trump’s life, no? I mean “they” shot him in the ear. An inch closer and he’d likely be dead.

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    Did they shot him in the ear?

    rottingleaf ,

    What? Are you fucking delusional? I understand brown people are not really people for you guys there, but do you realize how many people indirectly and directly “these” people have killed in Syria alone, counting only cases of being simply too lazy?

    Killing two people for fucking presidency? You think it’s unrealistic?

    Anyway, the answer to the question “how Machiavellian” is “fully” for everybody participating in politics, because we are still homo sapiens and our time is just as Machiavellian as Machiavelli’s time, there are no naive people there, and if there are no poisonings and assassinations left and right there, that’s for the same reason only there are no nukings left and right on the map, not because they are moral.

    58008 ,
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    I understand brown people are not really people for you guys

    What the fuck… ?

    How am I delusional for not thinking this was staged? The moving parts required for it to be staged are an order of magnitude more complex and voluminous than it just being a lone nut with an AR-15. Unless you have some actual solid verifiable evidence that calls the boring reality of the situation into question, I’d maybe dial down the rhetoric a tad.

    rottingleaf ,

    Not that, just that it’s improbable because of lives soent

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    Child border seperation policy

    SaintWacko ,

    I’m just sick at how much of a coup this is for the Trump campaign. That photo is going to do so much work

    NotAnotherLemmyUser ,

    One of the attendees in the bleachers was hit:
    imgur.com/a/V0SyhKE

    News is also saying that 2 are dead: news.sky.com/…/shots-fired-at-donald-trump-rally-…

    Butler County District attorney told the Associated Press (AP) that a shooter was dead and that a rally attendee had also been killed.

    This doesn’t sound like it was staged.

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    that a shooter was dead

    In other words he can’t be questioned

    ameancow ,

    Why?

    I mean it might have been, but with the modern insanity around politics and guns and violence, and the general unhinged nature of the population generally, it’s equally or more likely to be some deranged person with a gun. WHY for the love of god add to the chaos by speculating without any evidence yet? Does it help?

    JimSamtanko , (edited )

    Because speculation is all we have with someone like Trump who seemingly failed upward with his every move. Do you think we’re going to ever know what really happened? This shit was clean. Despite the fact that he was allowed to stand and shake a defiant fist moments later, without knowing if there were more shooters. How did his secret service know the area was secure? In reality, he would have been rushed to safety within a minute of the shooting.

    Yeah. Here’s what speculation allows for;

    • Gets found guilty 34 times over? Gets more followers.

    • Gets found guilty of sexual assault. Gets more followers

    • Gets tied to Epstein. Gets more followers

    • Gets shot at. Wins an election.

    There is no stopping that fat fuck because theres no limit to American ignorance.

    anon_8675309 ,

    My worry is that some lunatic right winger is trying to push us to civil war.

    JimSamtanko ,

    We’re already there. They just haven’t started the American Violence™ phase yet. Right now we’re in the American Saber Rattling™ phase.

    iquanyin ,

    i keep thinking of that too…

    ChillPenguin ,

    Don’t stoop to that level. Assume it was real. Base your conclusions on evidence. Not conspiracies.

    NaibofTabr ,

    reap what you sow

    Wxnzxn , in Gunshots reportedly fired at Donald Trump rally - as former president rushed off stage
    @Wxnzxn@lemmy.ml avatar

    Could history please have the decency not to re-enact how Hitler survived dozens of assassination attempts?

    loaf ,
    @loaf@sh.itjust.works avatar

    This is exactly what I’m afraid of.

    Bluefalcon ,

    I’m afraid he is going to ride this into the White House or it ignites open political shootings. Not a good time.

    Riccosuave ,
    @Riccosuave@lemmy.world avatar

    Oh, he is definitely getting reelected. That is an absolute certainty at this point.

    kn0wmad1c ,
    @kn0wmad1c@programming.dev avatar

    It will galvanize his base, who were already voting for him, to be sure. But I doubt this will swing many voters. Trump is still Trump, regardless of assassination attempt.

    Riccosuave ,
    @Riccosuave@lemmy.world avatar

    But I doubt this will swing many voters.

    Then you are incredibly historically naive. He was already winning by every available metric. So, if nothing had changed at all there was already an extremely high likelihood of him being reelected. This only serves to further strengthen his chances.

    I don’t think people really understand how stupid, brainwashed, and weak minded the average American truly is. There are plenty of people who will vote for him because surviving an assassination attempt makes him look strong. Count on it.

    kn0wmad1c ,
    @kn0wmad1c@programming.dev avatar

    You could make points without calling the other person naive. No need to make the internet a worse place.

    As far as “every available metric” goes, you’re talking polls, and polls are garbage. Every poll had Clinton winning in late October 2016.

    And we’re in an unprecedented portion of politics in American history, so bringing up historical measurements doesn’t convince me like you think it would.

    Riccosuave ,
    @Riccosuave@lemmy.world avatar

    We will see who did the proper analysis in 4 months time. I’m really hoping it won’t be me. Unfortunately, I am also certain that I am correct.

    kn0wmad1c ,
    @kn0wmad1c@programming.dev avatar

    I’m not certain at all, which scares me all the same. Tho the last ten years still hasn’t beaten the hope out of me, so I’ve got that much going.

    Riccosuave ,
    @Riccosuave@lemmy.world avatar

    I don’t want to kill your hope. I don’t share it, but maybe you can muster enough for both of us.

    TrickDacy ,

    I am also certain that I am correct.

    A sure way to know an unreliable source

    Riccosuave ,
    @Riccosuave@lemmy.world avatar

    We’ll see won’t we?

    TrickDacy ,

    Yes, I guess we will find out if you’re the world’s only legitimate soothsayer with an outcome you’ve predicted that has 50/50 odds of coming true.

    Riccosuave ,
    @Riccosuave@lemmy.world avatar

    That’s not how odds work. The fact there are only two outcomes does not mean the odds of each of those outcomes occurring is the same…

    TrickDacy ,

    Yes, the braindead thing you’re saying you can predict the future. As a remotely reasonable person, I dispute this laughable idea.

    LustyArgonianMana ,
    @LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world avatar

    Lol exactly, no one knows the future. That’s the problem with inductive reasoning and the philosophical idea of the absurd.

    Eyeuhnluuung ,

    No need to make the internet a worse place.

    More Reddit-y here by the day…

    InternetUser2012 ,

    Looks a lot like the propaganda trolls got tired of arguing with each other and branched out here.

    TopRamenBinLaden ,

    He was already winning by every available metric.

    I just looked for myself, and NPR/PBS survey has Biden ahead. Many other polls have it basically tied. A few have Trump in the lead by 2-3 points.

    I wouldn’t personally call that winning by every available metric, although I would agree with you that it looks like Trump has a slight lead.

    Riccosuave ,
    @Riccosuave@lemmy.world avatar

    Individual polls are meaningless. I only care about the trends of the the aggregate polling. Five Thirty Eight has had Trump leading by an average of 2 points in aggregate polling basically from the beginning. There has never been a time where Biden was ahead during this election cycle. Therefore, using the available metrics it is clear that Donald Trump is on the path to returning to the White House.

    InternetUser2012 ,
    Riccosuave ,
    @Riccosuave@lemmy.world avatar

    You linked to the 2016 election. Here are the adjusted values for 2024.

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/db416724-e5aa-49e8-a5ab-3a68429cef4f.jpeg

    InternetUser2012 ,

    I did link 2016, showing that Clinton had a bigger lead than the rapist with 34 felonies has now. How’d that turn out again?

    candybrie ,

    Were those national popular vote polls? If so, you have to factor in the electoral advantage Republicans have. If the national popular vote is tied, Republicans will win.

    InternetUser2012 ,

    You’re confusing the average American with the republikkklown voters. That’s not even close to average. The average voter knows he’s a racist rapist with 34 felonies that caused a failed insurrection. They won’t forget. They will vote and your wanna be dictator will do what he’s best at… LOSING.

    Riccosuave ,
    @Riccosuave@lemmy.world avatar

    I know you want to stick me in that bubble to make yourself feel better. I hated Donald Trump long before 2016. I knew about his ties to Jeffrey Epstein before that name was even in the public lexicon. I’ve been following the downfall of the Amerikan Empire since as long as I have been politically aware. This is just the latest dominoe to fall.

    InternetUser2012 ,

    I don’t care who you say you hate, when you’re spitting bullshit, it’s still bullshit. I’m betting your ip address without a vpn would be very interesting, amirite?

    Riccosuave ,
    @Riccosuave@lemmy.world avatar

    Whatever you are implying you should just come out and say it. You think I’m a Russian troll? You think I’m astroturfing? Think whatever you want. I literally couldn’t give a fuck less.

    fukurthumz420 ,

    there’s still time to stop this. hoping for a hero.

    Corkyskog ,

    I don’t see how it doesn’t encourage others with how close it was. People who had previously thought it impossible might now consider the chance.

    fukurthumz420 ,

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  • pumpkinseedoil ,

    Haha that was my second thought (my first one was shock that something like that can happen - it means dangerous times are coming for democracy)

    Simon , in Gunshots reportedly fired at Donald Trump rally - as former president rushed off stage

    Shit. He missed. Better luck next time.

    ThePantser ,
    @ThePantser@lemmy.world avatar

    No rest for the wicked

    hitstun , (edited )
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    Fascists should be afraid to show their faces in public, but this particular fascist needs to live long enough to spend time in prison.

    Apparently people died there today. That's probably bad. Don't just assume the dead were worthless fascists. I hope it wasn't some innocent media person covering the event for their local news or something.

    Riccosuave ,
    @Riccosuave@lemmy.world avatar

    He will never serve a single second in prison, and this just cemented his control over the country for the rest of his life.

    ChuggingPus ,

    Stormtrooper

    Scubus ,

    Today truly is a national tragedy

    Riccosuave ,
    @Riccosuave@lemmy.world avatar

    There won’t be a next time.

    Guy_Fieris_Hair ,

    I, for one, am now advocating for target practice as a requirement for high school graduation.

    Podunk ,

    Gotta correct for wind…

    takeda ,

    it’s not easy, the guy introduces his own ones.

    fukurthumz420 ,

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