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Scrof , to asklemmy in What was the worst bastardization of a classic book into a movie?

The Hobbit. Probably not the worst movies with not the worst bastardisation (that’d be The Dark Tower for me), but I simply can’t wrap my mind around the overbloated monstrosity that the Hobbit TRILOGY is. Like why would anyone do this, it felt like it’s in the bag, they got Peter Jackson, they already made LotR to great success, why do we suddenly need wacky wheels with cartoon CG goblins in 48 FPS for some reason… It doesn’t even match neither the tone of the book nor the tone of LotR movies.

somethingsnappy ,

Those didn’t happen. Go back to the animated movies.

Blackmist , (edited )

See, I think the high frame rate would look great if what you were looking at was real. But what you’re looking at is a room of actors in nylon beards and Martin Freeman in rubber feet.

And where did the spare barrel come from?

AngryCommieKender ,

Spare barrel? Bear in mind I have only actually seen the first of the Hobbit trilogy, and then later I watched the Tolkien Supercut, that cut out anything not at least alluded to in the book.

Blackmist ,

I think it’s in the second one. It’s hard to be sure when you’re vaguely remembering a 300 page children’s book inexplicably squeezed into three movies.

It’s the much hated GoPro barrel ride bit. All the dwarves have a barrel, there are no spares, Tim from The Office has to hang onto the side of one. The fat dwarf breaks his, and then after bouncing around like prequel Yoda, jumps into a spare that comes from nowhere.

I would think the version you saw just shows them all going into the water and coming out at the other end. It’s been a long time since I read it (close to 30 years), but I don’t remember any massive river battle going on.

Patariki ,

The hobbit movies should have fleshed out the dwarf characters better with all that extra time, give each of them a substory spread out over the trilogy so they would be more memorable. They did that with only one of the dwarves and it’s a silly love triangle that barely goes into the character of said dwarf. With the movie we got, ask any average person directly after seeing the movies to name the dwarves, i bet hardly anyone can.

blackbird ,
@blackbird@feddit.uk avatar

Grumpy, Doc, Sneezy, I definitely forget the rest though.

GlendatheGayWitch ,

Not only does the love triangle not make sense, but it really only serves to erode the significance of friendship of Legolas and Gimli. They were supposed to be first friendship between an Elf and dwarf in a long time

AngryCommieKender ,

IIRC the crushing of the Actors Union in NZ is what sidelined the dwarves.

jcit878 ,

peter Jackson was dragged in kicking and screaming years after preproduction started. it was destined to be a studio driven mess from the start

Konman72 ,

If you watch the behind the scenes stuff it honestly is pretty impressive how competent the movies ended up being. Yes, they are terrible, but they could have been a lot worse. Peter Jackson made them watchable, at least.

Susaga ,
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Warner Bros didn’t want to make the Hobbit. They wanted to make another Lord of the Rings movie, and had to use the Hobbit for it. The Hobbit is very much NOT a Lord of the Rings story, despite the shared setting. Square book, round movie.

Also, they knew there wasn’t enough content, but Warner Bros had to split the profits of the first movie five ways. They didn’t have to do that for the second movie, and then they added a third to squeeze out even more.

davefischer ,
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Have you seen the early 90s Finnish Hobbit?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gzWA4Euzck

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lud ,

Well of course I have! I put it on my Plex server, lol.

c0mbatbag3l ,
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Full CGI ruined the hobbit for me. The costume and make up work was so good in LotR. That and the whole movie operated as if in a physics-free zone. Nothing made sense.

I never watched the other two, I imagine they are just as bad.

boatswain ,

They lost me at what they did to my boy Radagast.

RavenFellBlade ,
@RavenFellBlade@startrek.website avatar

In defense of The Dark Tower… it isn’t an adaptation of the books. It’s a sequel. It continues the story in a way in which Roland finally breaks the loop.

AngryCommieKender ,

The 1970s animated The Hobbit is a good adaptation, also the Tolkien Supercut version of the live action movie is watchable.

ebits21 , to linux in Ubuntu's Mozillateam PPA now forcing users over to snap install for Firefox.
@ebits21@lemmy.ca avatar

Yeah they’re all in on snaps. Vote with your distro choice.

Hominine ,
@Hominine@lemonine.hominine.xyz avatar

What I don’t get is why. What with the recent Red Hat debacle one would think Canonical would make a stronger case as opposed to force feeding the issue.

Sneptaur ,
@Sneptaur@pawb.social avatar

Because it’s canonical’s thing they’re marketing to server markets

garam ,
@garam@lemmy.my.id avatar

haha… ubuntu on enterprise doesn’t even touch 5% of the market, where 90% of it is RHEL and 5% another is Windows Server and some OSX… so… I don’t think canonical is dumb enough

*please read, enterprise market, not hobbyist. Hobbyist doesn’t make money for ubuntu. Well if the hobbyist is a decision maker in enterprise, they probably will have effect, but the problem is, most of them opt in RHEL/Clones

Sneptaur ,
@Sneptaur@pawb.social avatar

You got any data to back that up?

garam ,
@garam@lemmy.my.id avatar

You can look into fortune 500 report on Server stack, and self published red hat report. Red Hat claims is higher, but I will say, it should be at max 90%, not 95% as Red Hat Claims.

fortune.com/…/how-linux-conquered-the-fortune-500….

www.redhat.com/en/about/company

Seems they revise it. hem… the fly-er I got for Red Hat academy promotion written is 95% in 2019… strange…

But anyway, you can see anywhere, on any business medium high, mostly use Linux.

Azure, 100% backed by Red Hat in their Infra, even Microsoft doesn’t deny or agree with it. AWS 100% EL based (old times RHEL, nowdays Fedora), Linode, Scaleway, Contabo, Hetzner, BiznetGio, Aliyun (even their Aliyun/Alibaba Linux is RHEL), OVH, etc. so I will say it’s high enough… that almost entire infrastructure rely on Red Hat Engineering. At least if Red Hat gone, CentOS Stream code still there, Fedora Code still there. The community can continue to develop it.

Ubuntu only popular and first class only on Digital Ocean. No other cloud providers make ubuntu first class other than DO. Sure enough Ubuntu/Debian is there, you can install it, but, it’s not entirely first class as RHEL/Clones

Hate it or love it. Red Hat still the king of mission critical system except in Europe, where SUSE is leading, but SUSE itself is well… have same or near identical to Red Hat… so… welp… kind like in same EL boat.

Some will say data like this enterpriseappstoday.com/…/linux-statistics.html#T… is more re presentable for general mass, but I don’t think it’s for enterprises…

wile_e8 ,

So, as someone that’s been on flavors of Ubuntu/Linux Mint for me personal computer since Breezy Badger, any good distro recommendations? I’ve been using Ubuntu Mate and upgrading in place for the last ~5 years, so I’ve mostly avoided Snaps, but I’m looking to upgrade my computer and I’m probably going to need a fresh install. I’d like to stay on the Ubuntu/Debian tree, but I’ve been using RHEL on my work computer for a while now, so I’m not totally unfamiliar with that distro branch.

Also, should I be as concerned about Flatpaks as everyone seems to be concerned about Snaps?

joe ,
@joe@lemmy.world avatar

Check out VanillaOS. I think it’s pretty neat. Their webpage doesn’t really get into the benefits as much as I think they should, but a very quick summary is that it leverages distrobox and some custom package manager to allow you to seamlessly install and run packages from other distros. It’s also kind of an immutable OS (but not really). It lets you pick which types of apps you want during the install (snaps, fltapak, AppImage, etc)

I am not super in the loop about why people are so against snaps, but I don’t like the centralized nature of them, and if that’s also the general concern, then flatpak should be fine, since it’s decentralized.

I saw a couple youtube videos about VanillaOS; I could certainly find you one of them if you want to know more.

LinuxSBC ,

Why do you say it’s “not really” immutable? It is immutable with an A/B partitioning system using ABRoot.

joe ,
@joe@lemmy.world avatar

You can disable it to install stuff if you want.

LinuxSBC ,

That was true with Almost, but they’ve now switched to ABRoot, which uses overlays instead. documentation.vanillaos.org/docs/ABRoot/

garam ,
@garam@lemmy.my.id avatar

rpm-ostree does this longgg way before

LinuxSBC ,

True, but how is that relevant? ABRoot has its own benefits and drawbacks over OSTree.

Thwompthwomp ,

I can’t comment on specifics. I’m back in linux after several years away in mac land. The snap experience is awful, and confusing. I have not had the same experience with flatpaks. They seem to act more like regular apps that you update. The issue with snap is that firefox will say the snap needs to update, and that the update is pending warning my I only have days (or hours) to use it, but no way to actually do the upgrade. Then it will say its upgrading, but nothing happens. I just keep using firefox, and every once in a while it may say something like the update failed (I honestly can’t remember, since I just ignore any notification with the word ‘snap’ in it since they’re all meaningless). Eventually, when I quit firefox, it might update and quit pestering me. But how knows? Maybe it won’t upgrade, and then I’ll open it again and it won’t be upgraded.

Flatpaks, I can just update in the package GUI (Discover for me, since KDE) alongside other updates, and we roll on.

Distro-wise, I dunno :/ I like ubuntu cause its more standardized in terms of software availability — most things will support an ubuntu package. However, I’m really considering just jumping into debian and going with the rolling releases.

transientpunk ,
@transientpunk@sh.itjust.works avatar

I was on Ubuntu for almost ten years. The snap BS really started bugging me a few years ago, and I started distro hopping to find a new home.

If you’re really wanting to stick with an Ubuntu derivative, you could try Pop!_OS. They remove Snaps.

I ended up settling on Manjaro. Access to the AUR is pretty awesome.

Eldritch ,

Manjaro and aur are not a good idea. I ran manjaro for a year or two. Things from the aur were constantly breaking and causing problems because of the manjaro repositories. If they were even able to be installed at all. There are many reasons not to use Manjaro. But if you want to use the Aur. Check out endeavor os. Very straightforward simple easy to install Arch. The Aur works perfectly and doesn’t break randomly. Because they use the Straight Up Arch repositories with just slightly different configs

transientpunk ,
@transientpunk@sh.itjust.works avatar

Interesting. I’ve been running Manjaro for two years now and I’ve found it to be extremely stable on my computer and my partners computer. I haven’t had any trouble with AUR packages breaking either.

Eldritch ,

Even the manjaro team discourages their users from running things from the Aur. It’s not a guarantee. Some things will work okay for a long time. But due to the fact that Manjaro is not Arch. There will be problems with many things. It will be a bit of a crap shoot as to what and for how often. But it is something that even they acknowledge.

TrojanHam ,
@TrojanHam@sh.itjust.works avatar

I was a Xubuntu user for about 15 years but have an old EeePC running Debian.

I just recently moved my main, home computer (10+ yo EliteBook) to Debian 12 and am very happy. I will be soon moving my amateur radio “shack” computer (bought last year) to Debian as well.

Forcing Snaps and Snaps’ terrible usage of disk space (in my experience) is what made me move. The annoying Firefox update warning only served to aggravate me further.

I do use a couple Flatpaks (did with Ubuntu as well) but it was my choice - not a requirement. I haven’t had any disk use problems or bad experiences with them.

rknize ,
@rknize@lemmy.world avatar

I hear ya and have recently been scaling-back my personal use of Ubuntu. I am a long-time Debian user for servers (since around the time potato was released), but always found it far too “long in the tooth” for use on a desktop. When Ubuntu first came out, it filled that gap perfectly and it was always my recommendation to people that wanted/needed to use Linux and needed it to “just work”. This is especially the case with laptops. However, times have changed and vanilla Debian is actually a viable distro as long as you are not on the bleeding edge hardware-wise and/or don’t want/need the very latest desktop software.

For my personal desktop, I’ve actually been using Linux Mint since around the time Ubuntu switched to Unity. From the moves Mint has been making lately, it seems that they are also wary of Canonical (i.e. having to revert things like snap out of their Ubuntu base). Mint has always been hedging their bets through their LMDE release, so I would not be surprised if they cut over vanilla Debian as their base sometime soon. I have LMDE on some older machines and it works great (they are still based on bullseye, last I checked).

Bitrot ,
@Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Linux Mint doesn’t do snaps, you can add them but they are more flatpak friendly out of the box (software manager supports deb and flatpak install and upgrades). They also have a Debian edition that is nearly identical once installed.

For stuff like Firefox and other areas Ubuntu is pushing snaps, Mint builds their own deb.

That is to say, if you liked Mint there’s not a big reason not to use it.

bitwolf ,

Imo avoid Mint. If you like apt/debs PopOS.

If you don’t care about debs Fedora is an awesome distro. I’ve used it for several years and upgrades never go bad.

LinuxSBC ,

Why avoid Mint?

garam ,
@garam@lemmy.my.id avatar

Flatpak won’t replace RPM on Fedora, so, use Fedora… and be happy, or Nobara for gaming

neutron ,

I’m afraid they’ll break off Debian one day. Supporting snap is one thing, sabotaging well established user cases (apt installing deb, not being a snap prozy) is another.

garam ,
@garam@lemmy.my.id avatar

On my corporate laptop, because they require ubuntu to… well spy on us, I wrote a interface in front of snap to works like flatpak… as snap forcing through on everything I work on…

At least I tried to disable it. and failed, so I wrote a piece of junk code to accomodate my flatpak muscle memory

AeroLemming ,

Are forks of Ubuntu like Mint and Pop_OS still good choices, or do they suffer from a Chromium-style lack of freedom?

Omega_Jimes ,

The Pop_Shop gives you the option via a little drop down of flatpak/Deb. I’m not sure if the option is flagged by application developers or system76.

Holzkohlen ,

Mint is great. Definitely one of the best distros around. PopOS I’d wait for their new DE. Though with Ubuntu going balls deep on snaps, all those ubuntu based distros hang in the balance. At least Mint got a Debian edition already and they are working on a new version right now. Or just use straight up Debian with flatpaks, which is what I do.

lord_ryvan ,

Mint also does not force either dpkg/apt-get/apt nor flatpak.
Even its GUI installer is a GUI wrapper around dpkg and flatpak, every application available on both shows a drop-down allowing you to choose between the two.
You can also change its config to allow other sources, in case you want to add something else like snap.

Dubious_Fart ,

I recently went to Nobara, not a Deb/Ubuntu fork, but its literally been the easiest, smoothest Linux install/usage experience of my life.

cupcakezealot , to asklemmy in Five years ago (20.08.2018) Greta Thunberg demonstrated the first time for more climate protection. What has she achieved so far?
@cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

She’s gotten the issue of climate change to be a major issue with young voters

It’s really not her fault that the people in power have a vested interest in ignoring climate change.

Also she got Andrew Tate arrested so there’s that.

intensely_human ,

How to you figure the people in power have a vested interest in ignoring climate change? Seems like everyone has a vested interest in acknowledging any risk to our civilization.

flamingo_pinyata ,

They haven’t shown much interest in practice.

Actions, not words.

cazssiew ,

Not if they believe it won’t affect them, and if they can turn their power into connections with rich people willing to part with their wealth in exchange for the promise their civilisational-risk-increasing industries can press on unabated.

cupcakezealot ,
@cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Because they get a lot of money from fossil fuel companies.

And the others are just ignoring climate change to “own the libs”.

ryathal , to asklemmy in People who were fired on their first day at work/saw somebody get fired their first day at work: What happened that led to the firing?

One time someone showed up to work that was clearly different than the person from the interview. They never even got their badge.

rmuk ,

So they hired a professional interviewee to be interviewed for them? Amazing. I wonder how you’d get that job, and what the recruitment process would be like?

Anonymouse ,

This is not uncommon in IT type jobs with individuals from a certain country. I was at lunch with a coworker when he was approached to do an interview for a cousin of one of his friends. I must have looked puzzled because he explained it to me and I was flabbergasted. He said that it was more common during phone interviews, but since “they all look the same” to white hiring managers, it still happens over video interviews.

EmoDuck ,

Hate it when I do an interview with Don Cheadle and Terrence Howard shows up

ryathal ,

It’s more they have a friend that speaks better English do the interview and hope that big companies don’t notice a difference when they start the job.

ramble81 ,

Had that happen to me once. Guy we phone screened did not match the guy on the video interview. Immediately bounced, you could tell their accent and talking style was different.

scytale , to asklemmy in What’s one word to prove you lived trough the 90’s?

Winamp.

fing3r ,

…it really whips the llamas ass!

Krulsprietje OP ,

Baaaahhh!!!

OutlierBlue ,

I still use Winamp regularly.

bigboopballs ,
@bigboopballs@hexbear.net avatar

still using it as my PC media player

TheHottub ,
@TheHottub@lemmy.world avatar

Skins for winamp!

sneezycat , to asklemmy in What are some notable scams in history that went unnoticed for so long?
@sneezycat@sopuli.xyz avatar

Homeopathy, acupuncture, ozone therapy… all “alternative medicines” basically.

toothpaste_sandwich ,

I love how ruthless the wikipedia pages on these topics are, by the way. Do check them out if you get the chance.

Tanoh ,

Like the old joke, “What do you call alternative medicine that works?” “Medicine!”

If some herb, plant or extract has a proven effect it will be adopted by real medicine, and all that is left in alternative medicine is the scams that do not work.

an0nym0us ,
@an0nym0us@lemmy.world avatar

You’re almost right. Modern medicine needs to synthesize natural compounds to profit fully from them. They can’t just use natural remedies and present them to patients because they can’t patent them.

TheActualDevil ,

I’m sure that’s a major part of it, but I also wouldn’t want to live in a world where we could only get aspirin from willow bark. We either wouldn’t have enough aspirin or we wouldn’t have any more willow trees. Medicines derived from the actual source aren’t possible on a global scale in most cases.

Capitalism is a blight on society and has lead to countless deaths. But in a utopia where money doesn’t exist and people create medicine for the world only to help people with no profit they still need to synthesize it.

an0nym0us ,
@an0nym0us@lemmy.world avatar

major part of it, but I also wouldn’t want to live in a world where we could only get aspirin from willow bark. We either wouldn’t have enough aspirin or we wouldn’t have any more willow trees. Medicines derived from the actual source aren’t possible on a global scale in most cases.

Capitalism is a blight on society and has lead to countless deaths. But in a utopia where money doesn’t exist and people create medicine for the world only to help people wit

I agree with you but in that case, the need to synthesize it could be made entirely based on practicality rather than profit.

otter ,

Not all countries have for profit medicine though. I’m sure it’s a factor, but it’s not a universal thing.

There are other reasons why “natural” remedies get more scrutiny in the medical community, and the other comments have touched on a few of them

lambda ,
@lambda@programming.dev avatar

Tim Minchin

DrQuint ,

There’s a slight gotcha here:

I’m in Asia and a lot of traditional chinese medicine you can buy is just regular medicine with a marketing disguise hiding the fact. Why yes, this is a box of whatever the fuck extract, very interesting, old northern recipe to cure the shit, let me just check what’s written on this paper, and, yep, there it is, it’s just Loperamide but with an additive to make it taste like Ginseng. Got it.

GBR24_B_S ,

I worked for a medical clinic years ago.

One doctor was pushing natural hormone therapy.

I asked one of the other doctors. He wouldn’t touch it.

He told me he sees thousands of patients each year. Some number will get cancer, and some number of them will sue him.

If he prescribes a medication, he can defend himself by pointing to the medical studies showing the safety of the medication.

If he prescribes anything natural, there are no studies showing safety, because nobody can patent natural substances. Therefore there isn’t much money to be made, so nobody spends the money to do good studies.

Even if it was a miracle drug, he wouldn’t prescribe it.

blujan ,

He is wrong tho, natural substances can and are regularly patented when a use is found for them or a production method that’s better is discovered.

AngryCommieKender ,

Monsanto has entered the chat.

DNA shouldn’t be patentable. I guarantee you that the scenario that Micheal Crichton laid out in Next will end up happening at some point unless we reign this shit in.

jon ,

That was my initial reaction at first as well. However as far as I can tell, natural products are not patentable, unless the product in question has been modified, manipulated etc, to produce something that is deemed to have been significantly changed.

So, in the US, for example, the Supreme Court ruled that human DNA, being a naturally occurring product, cannot be patented. However, it also ruled that complementary DNA, essentially DNA that has been extracted and then modified in a lab, can be patented.

jon ,

Medicine is any substance that has a demonstrable healthcare effect (demonstrated through double blind tests and not some rando’s anecdote). That includes natural substances.

To put it another way, medicine and natural substances are not two mutually exclusive (i.e. disjoint) sets, as you and/or your doctor friend appear to be implying.

GBR24_B_S ,

That’s not what I’m saying.

I agree a natural substance can be medicine.

His statement - not mine - is that it couldn’t be patented.

Therefore the profit is limited.

Therefore there are fewer studies than a comparable pharmaceutical.

Therefore when (not if) he is sued, he will be less able to defend himself.

Therefore he won’t prescribe it.

jon ,

Thanks for clarifying. Although I don’t agree with your doctor friend from an ethical standpoint, the point about natural products not being patentable is an interesting one and hadn’t occurred to me before.

LazaroFilm ,
@LazaroFilm@lemmy.film avatar

I have a pinched nerve. I went to many doctors, done many tests, went to months of PT and was still in pain. I went to my acupuncturist and she is able to release the muscles around the pinch enough that my right arm doesn’t feel constantly numb. I a man of science. I don’t believe in he Chi traveling my body etc but the physical result of the acuponcture cannot be denied.

JokeDeity ,

Trust me bro.

LazaroFilm ,
@LazaroFilm@lemmy.film avatar

I Trust you what we doin’?

Pandantic ,
@Pandantic@midwest.social avatar

I feel the same about chiropractic - many people call bullshit, but I’ll be damned if they don’t help me. Like you, I don’t believe “your spine is where all your problems originate” like some chiropractics try to peddle, but the dude pushes on my back and it pops and it feels better.

naught ,

My brother was in total kidney failure and his chiro said the pain was likely “toxins” released from his session. Utter quack. They arent all hacks, but they can do real damage. They can paralyze you for life or even worse. I hope you will not have firsthand experience

Pandantic ,
@Pandantic@midwest.social avatar

Oh I know, and I don’t trust any that ask me what other non-skeletal ailments I have (I had one tell me my acid reflux could be cured by chiro). But I have a few skeletal problems I go to them for about 3 times a year, and it helps.

intensely_human ,

Yeah but so can regular doctors.

A friend went in for a colonoscopy and died from a series of complications. First they nicked the inside of her colon, and it started bleeding. Then there was a whole series of stupid responses, based on the meds she was taking and had disclosed. They just made one mistake after another, until she died.

None of us knew she was walking into that hospital for the last time, because we were all relying on the doctors to be masters of their craft.

To find religious behavior in the medical field doesn’t take long. Another friend has described being unable to process patients because the blood pressure equipment is broken. They’re down to one machine, and the manual squeeze bulbs have all failed, so there’s a massive backlog in their clinic.

Now, they know clinical outcomes are suffering as a result of the lack of throughput, but they have to take blood pressure on every patient before they do anything else. So they’re beholden to this policy, and can’t practice medicine in a rational manner. But they’re embedded in a system that won’t let them use their eyes and brains to operate on what’s in front of them.

So even without belief in the supernatural, doctors are serving a “false god” which is the bureaucracy, and because they can’t serve two gods that means actual medical practice itself takes a second seat.

Pandantic ,
@Pandantic@midwest.social avatar

MDs give you incorrect information too. I had a GP for 5 years who, when I talked about my cataplexy - a well-documented condition that is directly related to my (at that time, undiagnosed) narcolepsy - he told me to go on birth control, then he changed my antidepressant meds, and then when those things didn’t help me, he said “try exercising more and lose some weight”. If he would had looked up the symptoms I was describing (like I eventually did), he would have probably recommend I see a sleep doctor, but instead, I lived with narcolepsy under his care for 5 years, almost getting fired for falling asleep at my job.

I know it’s not the same, as your brother had a life-threatening condition, but all this to say that MDs aren’t all outstanding professionals either.

naught ,

It’s true that malpractice is a thing, and lord knows I’ve met plenty of doctors ranging from asshole to idiot. You’re especially at risk if you’re a female or minority which is just another layer of bullshit with healthcare outcomes. That said, I’ll take the person with a decade of school and required practice over a chiro any day. Sucks that it’s still something of a crapshoot :/

jballs ,
@jballs@sh.itjust.works avatar

I used to believe the “they aren’t all hacks thing” until I met more chiropractors. While I would like to believe that there’s a subset of them out there who treat it more like a science of doing adjustments and what not, I don’t think that’s actually the case. My mom works for a chiropractor and has gone to several of their conventions over the years, and from what it sounds like they are all nutjobs who believe aligning your spine will cure you of all disease.

I would really love to see the numbers of how many chiropractors are antivaxxers. I bet it’s in the high 90%.

naught ,

I base that solely off the fact that some have MDs and a dislike of sweeping generalizations… no matter how true 😅

LazaroFilm ,
@LazaroFilm@lemmy.film avatar

The issue with chiropractors is that they treat the symptom and not the cause. If your back is misaligned, it’s because your muscles are pulling on it the wrong way, the chiro will pull it back in place but now your muscles are still pulling the wrong way and they may have pulled on the muscle to make it move and may have injured it, now your muscle says hell no you don’t and starts pulling even more. It’s instant relief with little lasting result. which is a great business model, instant result and returning customers because the problem isn’t treated. It’s like going to the mechanic because your motor is out of oil but not trying to fix the leak so you come back every week to refill the oil.

Pandantic ,
@Pandantic@midwest.social avatar

The problem is I’ve been to numerous doctors, working with a pain management specialist now, done physical therapy with a few different places for months, do physical therapy every morning, do yoga, exercise every day, and still no relief. So, like, sometimes it gets so bad I go to the chiropractor because at least they can give me some relief.

intensely_human ,

Yeah and the idea that a doctor is going to treat the root cause is laughable.

You go to a doctor with pain caused by muscles pulling too much out of alignment and they (a) won’t recognize the fact about muscles at all, (b) will start talking surgery, and © will either give you a prescription for pain meds that you wouldn’t need if they simply fixed the pain, or make the whole thing about denying you the meds that you aren’t even asking for.

Doctors and root causes are like oil and water.

ijeff ,
@ijeff@lemdro.id avatar

Have you tried visiting a register massage therapist? They can provide even better immediate relief without the pseudoscience. It pairs very well with physical therapy.

Pandantic ,
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Not covered by my insurance, sadly. Chiropractic is, but not massage therapy. Plus, it’s very hard to find a pro massage therapist where I live. But thanks for the advice.

intensely_human ,

This is why you skip the chiropractor and go to the rolfer instead. They’ll free up the fascial tension and release the forces pulling your system out of whack.

Pandantic ,
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rolfer

I had to look this up. Honestly, I think that the connective tissue is my problem as the ortho surgeon(s) have said there’s nothing wrong with my bone structure, but also said they have no idea what’s wrong. Same same with the pain management specialist, he is just out to treat my symptoms (something an earlier poster said was an issue with chiropractors).

I honestly think there’s a lot of types of medicine out there that work for people, even the “pseudoscience” or “new-age” ones. No one should put their lives in the hands of medicine that has no scientific basis (ie if you have terminal cancer), but when it comes to chronic pain and other non-urgent but life-impacting ailments, as long as you do your homework as to who you’re seeing and the potential risks of treatment, it’s your choice. I get that people had bad experiences (proposing chiropractic can cure kidney failure), but if you’ve tried the “scientific” avenues (even going to multiple doctors), and no one can give you relief, you have to look elsewhere.

intensely_human ,

Just FYI two options you have are myofascial release and rolfing. Rolfing is myofascial release plus an extra layer of theory about how to target and sequence the releases for maximum long-term effect.

Part of the theory is that these tension patterns tend to exist across the entire body at once, so a rolfer will work on multiple body parts that are all related to the same pattern. The idea is that releasing just one component will cause the tension to just re-form again quickly, because it’s also stored in the other places.

ijeff ,
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The few things they do that are effective are better delivered by an evidence-based provider (e.g., physiotherapist, massage therapist) without the pseudoscience.

Pandantic ,
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Where’s the proof that massage therapy is more evidence-based than chiropractic? Honest question, a cursory search seems to show that it’s not. Also, interesting that my chiropractic and physical therapy visits are covered by my insurance, but massage therapy is not. Wish I could afford it.

ijeff ,
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I should probably specify that it does vary by jurisdiction when it comes to massage therapy. We have registered massage therapists here. Some massage therapists might employ some pseudoscience, but there’s solid evidence on the near-term therapeutic benefits of massage. For chiropractic, it’s pretty much entirely based on pseudoscience.

If you need to fix a problem, a physical therapist is the way to go. If you want temporary relief, a massage therapist can be helpful. There’s no good reason to see a chiropractor - and it’s unfortunate that insurance providers (including my own) don’t allow those funds to be spent on actual treatments.

Berttheduck ,

See an osteopath instead, in the UK at least, they are trained and regulated unlike chiropractors who regularly kill or permanently disable people with unsafe and inappropriate “manipulations”.

Pandantic , (edited )
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osteopath

Thanks, I’ll check it out (though I’m in the US). Also, I researched my chiropractor very thoroughly to ensure that he’s not likely to kill or disable me.

edit: turns out my insurance covers osteopathic manipulative medicine, and there’s 1 practitioner in my area (25 miles, probably more in the 50 mile range since I’m close to a big city). I will be making an appointment with her. Thanks kind stranger!

Berttheduck ,

Awesome I hope they are helpful to you ☺️

TheHalc ,

The guy who told you to see an osteopath is a little misinformed and had things a bit upside down. Osteopathy is basically just chiropractic and has the same pseudoscientific origins.

However, for historical reasons osteopaths are very different either side of the Atlantic.

In the UK, osteopaths are basically just chiropractors with pretensions. In the US, doctors of Osteopathy are basically just doctors who went to a school that teaches osteopathic nonsense alongside real medicine, and they are licensed and operate as real physicians.

LaunchesKayaks ,
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My former boss, who is one of the biggest pieces of shit I know, has a severe back injury and goes to a chiropractor for it. Dude’s gonna end up paralyzed or worse. He works with doctors daily.

CylonBunny ,
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And there are physical therapists who do acupuncture strictly for muscle release without all of the chi stuff.

MowFord ,

Yes absolutely. They call it needling though

RoadRunner451 ,

my statutory health insurance (germany) pays for acupuncture. so it seems to be proven that it works so well that they cover the costs for the treatment

ijeff ,
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I’d just caution that coverage doesn’t necessarily mean effectiveness.

ryathal ,

Acupuncture has actually been shown to help in some cases beyond a placebo effect.

TheHalc ,
ijeff ,
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There isn’t much evidence there. There’s dry needling, which is the evidence-based alternative with different techniques - but much of that is built on the same evidence behind massage therapy.

intensely_human ,

It just depends how you define the chi.

One simple way might be “responsiveness”. Chi is present wherever your body is capable of receiving and transmitting information.

LazaroFilm ,
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So nervous system…

intensely_human ,

The information being passed isn’t just nerve signals.

Basically, imagine a human body as being like a whip. If you take parts of the whip and make them stiff, then you can’t crack the whip. The whip in its pliable form is capable of conducting a wave down its length. The whip with a stiff section can’t conduct that wave.

In the whip, this wave is its “chi”. A stiff section of the whip blocks its chi from flowing. It has a chi blockage. If the whip’s chi channels are open, then it can be cracked.

The more of your body you can recruit into each movement, the more efficient that movement is. I believe that different parts of the body “communicate” (more precisely they respond to one another’s actions) via tension and pressure. When a section of your body is stiff, that tension and pressure is less readable across that barrier. Your neck muscles will have a harder time predicting and responding to – and ultimately optimizing – the actions of your quadriceps, for example, if your trunk doesn’t convey the mechanical “signals” well enough for your neck muscles to tell what’s going on at the other end of the body.

To understand what I mean about responding, think of the way your body wobbles when you stand on one leg. That’s tons of muscles in your body responding to information about your balance point. Your gut muscles might clench for a fraction of a second in response to your knee detecting that your leg has become less stable. Just an example. This action is coordinated, classically, by peripheral ganglia of the nervous system. But I believe it also relies on mechanical signals – waves of pressure and tension, because mechanical signals conduct faster than nerve signals. (nerve conduction is about 50 m/s, speed of sound in the human body is about 1500 m/s)

Think of a flock of birds. Those birds each carry about a swarming algorithm: they make real-time decisions based on the positions and velocities of the other birds. The result is a flock that moves like an intelligent amoeba in the sky. Now imagine if you created some visual barrier in the middle of the flock. Now the birds on one side of that barrier can’t effectively swarm with the birds on the other side. The flock has been split into two flocks. That visual information is the flock’s “chi”, and the blockage makes the flock less integrated.

Various body parts – muscles, organs, nerve ganglia, senses – are a swarm, and a chi blockage is something that splits that swarm into two or more smaller swarms.

CrabAndBroom ,

Once I made a joke online about paying for homeopathy by dipping a dollar in a jar of water and giving them the jar, and like five people I know unfollowed me lol

Tathas ,

Did you hear the one about the homeopathic who tried to commit suicide?

He took a 10X dilution of cyanide.

ZodiacSF1969 ,

Lol yeh a surprising amount of people believe in it.

I once trained to work in pharmacies, we had companies present on their products and one of them was selling homeopathic products. One of the other students asked if it actually worked and the rep’s response was ‘if it didn’t do you think people would buy it?’ I didn’t say anything but I thought to myself yes, there absolutely are people who hand over money for dumb shit that doesn’t work lol.

some_guy ,

Scams, all of 'em. But the medbed that I can sell you is totally real. /s

LaunchesKayaks ,
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I used to get acupuncture with a tend unit attached to the needles as a kid for my chronic pain. Holy fuck did I feel better afterwards. It was probably the tens unit. I have a small one at home and it is great for relaxing my tight muscles.

alokir ,

A few weeks ago I got the flu and went to see my doctor. She wasn’t in so I got sent to a substitute who examined my ear with a weird beeping device. I asked her what it was and she just said that she practices “Chinese medicine”.

She told me her device indicated that I have huge problems with my thyroid and she said I should get some sort of crystal necklace that’s good for that and that I should apply some essential oils daily. Of course, she happened to sell those at a good price.

I went to have a blood test and my thyroid was fine, my values were right in the middle of the acceptable range.

noughtnaut ,
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Hey umm so … homeopathy. There is a case to be made --hear me out here please-- that it might have been effective once, but now we’ve got millions of “practitioners” doing things that clearly do not work.

The reasoning is obvious.

The concentration of practitioners within the population is clearly too damn high (insert meme here). To show how effective it can truly be, all we need to do is to dilute the ratio … by a lot.

Don’t you agree that this is worth looking into?

(/s in case anyone is in doubt)

echoplex21 ,

I think chiropractors also fall under this

thecam , to fediverse in Do posts from instances that don't allow downvotes have an unfair advantage?
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It does. I will never use an instance without downvotes. Nobody liked it when youtube downvotes were hidden.

ttmrichter ,

I loved it when Youtube downvotes were hidden.

Next on the chopping block: upvotes.

axsyse ,

Counterargument: it ruined youtu.be/Vx5prDjKAcw and that’s not cool.

PipedLinkBot ,

Here is an alternative Piped link(s): piped.video/Vx5prDjKAcw

Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.

I’m open-source, check me out at GitHub.

ttmrichter ,

That is a tragedy, but sometimes good things must die to allow better to rise from their ashes.

samus12345 ,
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With the return YouTube dislike add-on, it shows as remaining in balance.

remotelove ,

I think there should be an option (unless there is) for mods to turn off (or hide) voting as needed. That might be an effective way to cancel any downvote brigades. Lemmy really doesn’t have the population for mass vote manipulation now, but it will soon enough.

Hiding all votes can also help mitigate some superficial bias, but not all. I believe that if a person sees a comment with a few dozen downvotes first, they tend not to read the post objectively. After being on Reddit for such a long time (12 years or so), I found that it was super easy to manipulate voting trends if I caught a post or comment at just the right time.

Hiding only downvotes is just silly though. Some register of public opinion, positive or negative, still has its uses, IMHO.

thecam ,
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I dont see any issue with the user choosing weather upvotes or downvotes are visible or not. Not in favor of moderators or admins having a choice on this matter.

fmstrat ,

I left lemmy.one because of this.

CookieJarObserver ,
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Eh depends, general purpose instance? Yeah. Instance for porn or “controversial” content, thats different.

pewgar_seemsimandroid ,

yes

Nurgle , to nostupidquestions in How do names of countries get translated? What is the reason why Nippon/Nihon is called Japan or Ellada is called Greece in English?

Stolen from a Reddit thread cause the top answer isn’t super accurate (tldr Japanese “nipon” to Portuguese to Italian to English)

The first three Europeans that arrived in Japan in 1543 were Portuguese traders (António Mota, Francisco Zeimoto and António Peixoto). They were on a Chinese trading ship that had been blown off course and stopped on the island of Tanegashima to take on fresh water.

The Portuguese had three names for Japan. This is evidenced by the title of the 1603 Portuguese Japanese dictionary (Vocabvlario da Lingoa de Iapam) which uses Iapam and within in its pages also provides two other pronunciations for Japan being iippon and nifon. The reason for the multiple names appears to be due to:

The Portuguese first got the name Japan from the Chinese which called it Riben in Mandarin. Iippon is a relatively close translation of this word that sort of works for the Portuguese tongue. However, the Chinese language of wayfarers and the one that the first Portuguese to arrive in Japan would have heard would have been either Shanghainese or Hokkien (the dialect from Fujian). Shanghainese would have pronounced Nippon as Zeppen. Hokkien would have pronounced Nippon as Ji̍tpún. Nifon would have been relatively close to both. The Japanese that the Jesuits, who compiled the dictionary, would have likely to have spoken would have been influenced by the Japanese spoken in Nagasaki, which is where the Portuguese main base was. The accent of Nagasaki is what is called a Nikei-accent system, and widely used in south-west Kyushu. It has two contrasting tonal patterns, irrespective of the number of moras in the word. Thus Nippon would be Ni-Pon which then translates to Ia-pam

The Italians then started using the term Iapam. The largest Italian city of that era was Padua. Given the round about way the word Iapam got to Padua and based on the Italian spoken then, it got translated to Giapan. In an English travel book published in 1577 called “The History of trauayle in the VVest and East Indies …” the term Giapan was used.

Given that the Italian Gi sounds like J, it is not surprising that the English swapped Gi for J resulting in Japan.

Thus how Nippon became Japan appears tortuous starting with Portuguese being influenced by the type of Japanese spoken by the Jesuits in the 16th Century. Then from the three terms that the Portuguese used, the one that was perceived and recieved in Padua was Iapam, which was then translated into Italian as Giapan. And then how Giapan, used in the first known English travel journal that used the name, became anglicized into Japan.

Izzy , to nostupidquestions in Does a cat ever wonder why humans feed them?
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I’m pretty sure they think of the person taking care of them as some analogous of a mother. We should be careful not to anthropomorphism their emotions as they are probably not quite as complex as we would like. They certainly have some degree of emotions though.

But they have no concept of “human” or “mother” so I would guess it is more like “thing stops hunger, thing warm, thing safe”. Thus they bother you when they are hungry, sit on you when they are cold and come to you when they are afraid.

Fredselfish ,
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True cats don’t have family bonds way humans do. We took in a cat from my ex who is the sister of one of ours and the mother to other and both my cats hate her even though related.

Wooly ,

Had they every met before? If cats grow up together of course they’ll be nicer/more familiar.

thebestaquaman ,

Kittens typically aren’t given away before they are a couple months old, so they most probably met each other.

Either way: I’ve seen this in action. We had a cat that had kittens, and we were unable to give away one of them. When the kitten started growing up the mother started harassing it, eventually to the point of chasing it off. Luckily we found out that it moved in with some people a couple streets over that were very happy to have it. The point is: Cats aren’t pack animals, and typically don’t like sharing their territory with other cats, even if they are related.

emergencyfood ,

I think it varies from cat to cat. There’s a mother-daughter team here who hang around and even gang up on other cats. Also, siblings almost always get along.

flow ,

Could also be that the similar genetics but long separation have them thinking of her as not part of the household yet somehow “smells” too similar and it bugs your cats out. Cats, dogs and even fish have Major Histocompatibility Complex genes just like we do.

Doug ,

You never met anyone who hated part of their family?

I know some Thanksgiving dinners you could go to…

Pechente ,

To support your theory: Wild cats don’t meow when they’re grown up. They usually only do this as kittens. When they grow up around humans they keep this trait to communicate with humans. So yeah, we’re like moms or something to them.

Repossess6855 ,

Love this. I’ve also read they can learn and adjust how much they meow based on some of the feedback they get from the owner, ie if you actually respond to each meow with your own voice or similar. Really neat stuff

Malfeasant ,

Long ago, I adopted a cat from a deaf girl. Weirdest thing, going to her house to pick one out, she had several, and none of them meowed. It was months before the one I picked out started meowing.

Tywele ,

In addition to this they also learned to meow in the frequency of a crying baby to get our attention much easier IIRC

echo ,

my cat came from a hoarder and the shelter said she might not be very well socialized because there were so many cats that they wouldn’t have gotten much human attention, but she literally never stops meowing

EhList ,
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I wonder if adult cats communicate in ranges we cannot hear such as when a cat looks at yiu opens its mouth and nothing comes out

Smoogy ,

My cat guards me while I’m on the toilet, ready to take on any predators while I’m in a vulnerable state. You can’t convince me they have less than complex emotions.

thorbot ,

They are inexorably drawn to the comfort of the pants-cavern you create around your ankles

hmart316 ,

I thought only my weirdo cat did this. He’s my little poop buddy.

givesomefucks ,

You feed them, if you die while pooping, they don’t get fed.

Malfeasant ,

Eh, my cats would be gnawing on my carcass before I was cold…

HeyThisIsntTheYMCA ,
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Likewise, one of my cats wants me to guard him while he’s on the shitter.

WowMyNameIsUnique ,

How did you realize that, exactly?

HeyThisIsntTheYMCA ,
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The cat was meowing at me leading me around the house, how he does. One day he led me out to the litter box and dropped a big old fat turd. Then he stopped meowing. Apparently that’s what he wanted to show me? Well this has become a habit and I haven’t been able to break it. He’s really proud of them too.

Boinketh ,

Maybe try one of those dome-shaped litter boxes.

HeyThisIsntTheYMCA ,
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We have so many litter boxes we’ve tried. He’s just a proud little pooper

givesomefucks ,

Yeah, they’re pattern recognition machines like pretty much every animal and definitely every predator

As far as the think, humans feed them at certain times or when they complain loud enough. That’s all the “why” they need.

Basic cause and effect, nothing deeper.

can ,

Just like us

thekaufaz ,

Feral cats I’ve been feeding daily for 3 years still won’t let me get close or pet them. They do not see me as a mother or warm and safe. I think they see me as a slot machine.

BornVolcano ,

They have no concept of “human” or “mother”

Actually, they do. Maybe not in the words we use for it, but a cat can recognize their mother and can determine humans apart from other species. It may not be an complex psychological process of ranking them, but they recognize.

Domille ,

also humans apart from each other. Our cat chose us (my husband and I) to be her humans, so she’s super affectionate with us. Other humans? She does not give a crap about anyone else. She will never come snuggle with a guest for example, but she will snuggle with me all day.

BarrelAgedBoredom ,

I don’t necessarily disagree that cats don’t have as much emotional depth as humans, but I also think you’re selling them a bit short on their ability to think abstractly or emotionally. And it of course varies from cat to cat. They can express fear, affection, curiosity, frustration, satisfaction, anxiety, depression, caution, anger, overstimulation, desire, boredom, jealousy and plenty of other emotions. If you pay attention to body language and their vocalizations/ lack of vocalization, you can interpret much of what’s going on in their heads. They’re very expressive creatures much of the time. I’m not really anthropomorphizing either. I do that, cause they’re cute little goofballs, but it’s a voluntary effort I put in when I want to fawn over them a little. It’s easy to notice when I’m anthropomorphizing them and when I’m observing their emotional state, as they’re usually separate from one another

ziggurism ,
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Probably all mammals have a concept of “mother” even if it’s just a nonverbal instinct

trxxruraxvr , to nostupidquestions in Why is there no true Progressive party in America right now?

Because America has a first past the post election system, which will always result in two dominant parties. See m.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo for an explanation.

Aidinthel ,

This is an important part of it. The other part is the fact that success in politics is very hard without money, and most rich people aren’t progressives.

Thorry84 ,

But is that a cause or an effect? Because there are only two viable parties, all the money gets pumped into those. To get on equal footing with one of these parties, one would need a lot of money. With say a dozen parties, the money would be distributed more and thus the total money one party has would be much less.

But then again, it’s the US, the first past the post thing is only part of the problem. The corruption on all levels of politics and government is a much bigger problem. Even with a dozen parties, all the money would be poured into the party that favors the rich. And saying that’s legal and not corruption is only a sign the lobbiests have been so successful, they’ve made the corruption legal.

With capitalism money will always rule the world. Whilst this may have sounded great right after WW2, in reality it has caused the rich to get richer at the cost of the general public. It has caused mass consumerism to explode and destroy the planet, buying stuff we don’t need. Shipping stuff across the world, because it makes the most money that way. To move issues of slavery, safety and pollution to parts of the world the buyers can’t see. So people can pretend to live in paradise for one or two generations, whilst ruining the chances of future generations. Investments in sustainability have been slow due to the impact on the bottom line. Can’t have people using the same durable repairable stuff for decades, they must buy new shit every year and be programmed to think this is a good thing. Why invest in clean forms of energy, that’s expensive, just do the cheapest thing possible and then try to make it cheaper so we can make more money.

Septimaeus ,

Long-short, it’s known as Duverger’s Law. Winner-takes-all (single member district majority) incentivizes competing interests to consolidate power into a unified party label to increase chances of winning. Any third party necessarily steals votes from one of the two main parties, which is why each party manages its label for maximal policy coverage and every issue becomes red vs blue.

NeoNachtwaechter ,

But is that a cause or an effect?

It becomes very understandable as soon as you assume corruption. Corruption makes presidents rich, and many other “important” people as well.

As soon as they start to get some extra money regularly, they fear change, because any change could dry up these new sources of money.

alcoholicorn ,

But is that a cause or an effect?

A cause, what capitalist would support a party that will decrease their power? There’s a return on investment if they support the republicans or democrats.

astraeus ,
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No corporation wants to support a progressive party. No one profiting from corporations want to support a progressive party. There goes 99% of the wealth in America.

agressivelyPassive ,

You have similar results in less capitalized countries.

In Germany half the seats in the Bundestag are filled with district representatives that are voted for in a FTPTP manner. These seats go almost exclusively to the largest two parties. These two are the big center right and center left parties.

xmunk ,

In no country in the world is the progressive party the main attractor of wealth. Progress means change that will lessen the comparative advantage of the wealthy.

Cryophilia ,

California

xmunk ,

I think it’s extremely arguable whether Gavin Newsom is a progressive or not. Actually I don’t, he isn’t.

Cryophilia ,

No, but Progressives are in power. We’re not a dictatorship. The one person in the chief executive office is not the entire government.

Sethayy ,

Halarious to read as a non-american cause sure California is the best of y’all, but it is NOT progressive compared of some of the world

Cryophilia ,

Tired of this whole “America is conservative to the rest of the world” thing. No, it is conservative compared to Europe, specifically. I don’t mind making the comparison. But the arrogance of equating Europe with “the world” frustrates me.

California is extremely progressive compared to Russia, Saudi Arabia, India…just not, specifically, compared to western Europe.

Stop with the Eurocentrism.

Communist , to asklemmy in Do you need to download an anti-virus for Android?
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Absolutely not, that guy is eating marketing

SharkAttak ,
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Apple sponsored fear mongering, I'd say. It's almost like they had an interest in keeping people away from the alternative.

dhork , to nostupidquestions in Could the USA "kick" a State out?

The US Constitution currently has no mechanism to break any individual State out of the Union. Throughout our history, this has been interpreted as a sign that the Union is perpetual, and not able to be dissolved. This got put to the test in our Civil War, where a bunch of states up and said “We’re Leaving” and the Federal Government said “You can’t just do that”. They fought a war over it, and the Federal Government won, proving its position correct by force.

With that said, the US was founded as a government of the People, and so if the people want to carve out a way for States to leave, they must first establish a mechanism via amending the Constitution, which requires a 2/3 vote in both houses of Congress (or a Constitutional Convention) coupled with 3/4 of State Legislatures ratifying it.

There is a provision, though, to make States out of other States. Maine and West Virginia were both formed out of land that belonged to Massachusetts and Virginia.

Flax_vert ,

Wonder though, does that mean states can combine?

dhork ,

Actually, yes, but that has never happened.

chuckleslord ,

Yeah, because you’re giving up federal power for… a bigger state budget? Not really a great trade.

Tyfud ,

Until captain planet.

LemmyFeed ,

“By your powers states combined, I am Captain Planet!”

Fosheze ,

Make the MIMAL voltron.

dumptruckdan ,
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Megasota

EatATaco ,

It’s laid out very explicitly in the COTUS (Article IV, Section 3, Clause 1):

New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.

The funny thing is that during the civil war, West Virginia seceded from Virginia, and Congress voted to allow it and they were accepted into the union. There are a lot of people who argue that when that happened it was unconstitutional. However, it has never been tested, as far as I know.

Flax_vert ,

That’s a new word. We have POTUS, FLOTUS, SCOTUS and now COTUS.

John_McMurray ,

That would almost imply the Confederacy had legally left the USA, and Wrst Virginia legally left the Confederacy and joined the Union. Basically you could say none of this was un constitutional if the Confederacy was not a part of the USA at the time.

EatATaco ,

I would be doing it a disservice to try and explain it myself, but there were a lot of legal theories on how they could justify WV without justifying the Confederacy leaving the union. It’s an interesting topic.

John_McMurray ,

Seems like it’d be easier, more honest and less “Jump through hoopy” to just say they left and we reconquered them. Unless you really don’t want think states leaving is legal when it probably is.

EatATaco ,

You’re mistaking the fact that I recognize a limitation of myself with something else.

John_McMurray ,

If what I said wasn’t fairly accurate, there’d be no need for legal arguments so arcane you don’t feel capable of describing them accurately.

EatATaco ,

One thing I am pretty good at is recognizing blatantly bad logically fallacious arguments on the internet, such as the classic “false dichotomy.”

John_McMurray ,

No, you clearly aren’t, especially if you think this is a false dichotomy. I’m sorry, you were right about your limitations.

Maggoty ,

You could just pass an amendment…

But specifically for kicking a state out I don’t think the bar is that high. If the legislature and executive agreed then it could be done very quickly.

dhork ,

Oh, but there are all sorts of details to work out…

  • are citizens of the state no longer US citizens?
  • if so, what happens to their Social Security? Medicare? I don’t want to keep paying for those freeloaders
  • if they treat it like renouncing citizenship, they make those people pay taxes on all their assets and 401(k) holdings before leaving
  • Do armed forces members from those states now get kicked out of the US armed forces and go to the new state’s armed forces?
  • Does the new state get to take over any military bases and Federal buildings?
  • Can the rest of us build a wall on the border and make them pay for it?

There’s a lot to iron out. The Brits got screwed with Brexit, and they weren’t even leaving a country.

Maggoty ,

Presumably those have been worked out in the bill Congress passed.

lordnikon ,

it was worse than that and even dumber the UK was a founding member and had extra perks. That other EU members didn’t get and they threw all that away. Even if they do join back they will never get that deal again.

mojofrododojo ,

Even if they do join back they will never get that deal again.

and yet it’s still the most logical thing for them to do, security, trade and otherwise. it’ll hurt a bit, that sting is pride lol… but it’d still be the best thing for both the UK and EU.

otherwise eventually I see Ireland unifying and Scotland going to the EU lol.

Silentiea ,

“Just” passing an amendment requires more than 75% of states to ratify the amendment. So even if all of Congress decided nuts to Delaware, we’re moving them out, it would still go to the state of legislatures to be formalized

Maggoty ,

Oh no the amendment is for if a state wants to leave. Since there’s no standard around kicking a state out at all, it defaults to 50+1 votes in Congress and a President willing to enforce it

Silentiea ,

I expect at the very least you’d also need scotus to agree, though if legislative and executive are both willing to ignore them then …profit?

Maggoty ,

Yeah that’s the checks and balances. SCOTUS literally has no power without Congress or the President.

Silentiea ,

Yeah, but it wouldn’t be “legal” unless scotus agreed it was, even if it happened anyway.

Maggoty ,

No. SCOTUS does not have to agree to everything. In fact there’s no Constitutional power for them to take a law up for review without a case. They gave themselves that power.

Silentiea ,

I find it implausible there would be no challenge, so scotus would have to agree either passively by refusing to take the case or actively by taking it in order for its legality to be settled.

Maggoty ,

And I find it implausible that anybody listens to SCOTUS if we’ve gotten to the point that at least half of Congress is kicking a state out. It’s certainly not a normal political environment at that point.

HandBreadedTools ,

This is literally just wrong dude

Maggoty ,

Why? How?

HandBreadedTools ,

No lol your second statement is literally just wrong. The only way to do anything like this would be through an Amendment, which equated to literally changing the rules bc the current rules do not allow for it.

Maggoty ,

Is there something specifically saying you can’t?

No?

Question answered.

John_McMurray ,

Eh. They just leave. Not being prohibited to do so isn’t the same as not being allowed to, that’s why they had a war last time. There is a very strong argument that Abraham Lincoln was a war criminal, he just wasn’t philosophically wrong and also won.

HandBreadedTools ,

What are you trying to say?

John_McMurray ,

I was perfectly clear

Mistic , to nostupidquestions in How is Russia not Financially Crippled?

An economics student from Russia here, here’s my perspective.

First, is that a country’s economy is a lot less volatile than we expected. There is also another factor that played into it. During covid, Russian companies amassed a sizable amount of inventory that was already inflated compared to European companies due to how volatile our economy is. This has given them enough time to reroute supply chains once sanctions hit.

Basically, the so-called “grey import” plays a major role in assuring the stability of our economy. Companies either route their import/export through neighboring countries or through affiliated companies.

Second is the competency of our central bank. After most of the major banks were cut off from SWIFT (used for international transactions), they raised the key rate, limited the amount of money you can cash out at one time, and did some other stuff. Higher key rate = higher deposit interest rate, but at the same time, credit became more expensive. All of this was needed for preventing banks from defaulting. Once panic died down, the changes were reverted. Now, they’re dealing with inflation.

Lastly, the majority of our budget comes from oil and gas. Since Europe didn’t want to buy it, Russia started selling it to Asia at discounted prices. Quantity of oil/gas sold drastically increased, which mitigated reduced prices and led to a surplus budget. Not to mention that they started pushing on large companies to reduce the amount of dividends and instead re-invest the money.

I wouldn’t call it “thriving,” however. All of this has definitely led to a slowdown in growth, which, as time goes by, will only get worse. But for now it’s fine.

Poxlox ,

Very informative, thanks

JohnDClay ,

The central bank has been surprisingly competent. But it seems like they’re often trading short term problems for long term ones, so we’ll see how they deal with them.

What do you think of this assessment? You agree, or is William Spaniel missing some stuff? youtu.be/ecdxs8Al424

Mistic , (edited )

They guy did his research, and he did it right. Even mentioning the “social contract”, that’s not something you hear from an average youtuber.

There’s only a few things I’ve noted

Although the monthly rate can be calculated as yearly÷12 and is acceptable, it is inaccurate. Doesn’t change much, but still. ( (1+monthly rate)^12 = 1+yearly rate <= this is the accurate conversion)

Next is “failed pension reform.” It’s failed in political sense. The intent of it was to temporarily lessen the depletion of pension fund, which it technically did do. But, yeah, it was absolutely not popular. Not to mention that it didn’t solve the root of the problem, which was obvious from the start. Back during his first or second presidency period, he promised not to raise the age for retirement, yet in 2018, he did exactly that. Needless to say that his ratings have been falling ever since then and up till February of 2022.

The one thing I would’ve liked him to also mention is “quality of foreign exchange earnings,” which is a relatively new term. Essentially, companies now need to pay attention to wether or not they can exchange earned currency for something that they can trade with other countries or within Russia. Previously, they traded in dollars, so it was never an issue.

FrankTheHealer ,

Great insights. Thank you.

aksdb , (edited ) to linux in What's with all these hip filesystems and how are they different?

As with every software/product: they have different features.

ZFS is not really hip. It’s pretty old. But also pretty solid. Unfortunately it’s licensed in a way that is maybe incompatible with the GPL, so no one wants to take the risk of trying to get it into Linux. So in the Linux world it is always a third-party-addon. In the BSD or Solaris world though …

btrfs has similar goals as ZFS (more to that soon) but has been developed right inside the kernel all along, so it typically works out of the box. It has a bit of a complicated history with it’s stability/reliability from which it still suffers (the history, not the stability). Many/most people run it with zero problems, some will still cite problems they had in the past, some apparently also still have problems.

bcachefs is also looming around the corner and might tackle problems differently, bringing us all the nice features with less bugs (optimism, yay). But it’s an even younger FS than btrfs, so only time will tell.

ext4 is an iteration on ext3 on ext2. So it’s pretty fucking stable and heavily battle tested.

Now why even care? ZFS, btrfs and bcachefs are filesystems following the COW philisophy (copy on write), meaning you might lose a bit performance but win on reliability. It also allows easily enabling snapshots, which all three bring you out of the box. So you can basically say “mark the current state of the filesystem with tag/label/whatever ‘x’” and every subsequent changes (since they are copies) will not touch the old snapshots, allowing you to easily roll back a whole partition. (Of course that takes up space, but only incrementally.)

They also bring native support for different RAID levels making additional layers like mdadm unnecessary. In case of ZFS and bcachefs, you also have native encryption, making LUKS obsolete.

For typical desktop use: ext4 is totally fine. Snapshots are extremely convenient if something breaks and you can basically revert the changes back in a single command. They don’t replace a backup strategy, so in the end you should have some data security measures in place anyway.

*Edit: forgot a word.

Fizz ,
@Fizz@lemmy.nz avatar

So ext4 is the best for desktop gaming performance?

noddy ,

I remember reading somewhere that btrfs has good performance for gaming because of deduplication. I’m using btrfs, haven’t benchmarked it or anything, but it seems to work fine.

aberrate_junior_beatnik ,

I’d be surprised to find out there was one filesystem that consistently did better than others in gaming performance. ext4 is a fine choice, though.

lurch ,

does tmpfs count?

pastermil ,

No.

aksdb ,

It likely has an edge. But I think on SSDs the advantage is negligible. Also games have the most performance critical stuff in-memory anyway so the only thing you could optimize is read performance when changing scenes.

Here are some comparisons: www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-5.14-File-Systems

But again … practically you can likely ignore the difference for desktop usage (also gaming). The workloads where it matters are typically on servers with high throughput where latencies accumulate quickly.

flashgnash ,

Having tried NTFS, ext4 and btrfs, the difference is not noticeable (though NTFS is buggy on Linux)

Btrfs I believe has compression built in so is good for large libraries but realistically ext4 is the easiest and simplest way to do so I just use that nowadays

Cwilliams ,

Well that’s because any support for it is unofficial. NTFS is made for Windows

MonkderZweite ,

And proprietary and an old piece of garbage.

Cwilliams ,

I didn’t want to sound to harsh, but yea

Flaky ,
@Flaky@iusearchlinux.fyi avatar

I had a pretty bad experience with the Paragon NTFS3 drivers a couple years ago. Basically the kernel hung, maybe from this, maybe not, but it ended up with filesystem corruption on my hard drives.

Thankfully, Windows was able to fix it but until recently I relied on NTFS-3G. Paragon’s NTFS3 driver seems to be faring a lot better nowadays.

Auli ,

Going to be they or XFS. There was a benchmark of the different filesystems I heard about never found it though. It was recent and included bcachefs

rutrum OP ,
@rutrum@lm.paradisus.day avatar

Perhaps I’m guilty of good luck, but is the trade off of performance for reliability worth it? How often is reliability a problem?

As a different use case altogether, suppose I was setting up a NAS over a couple drives. Does choosing something with COW have anything to do with redundancy?

Maybe my question is, are there applications where zfs/btrfs is more or less appropriate than ext4 or even FAT?

aksdb ,

For fileservers ZFS (and by extension btrfs) have a clear advantage. The main thing is, that you can relatively easily extend and section off storage pools. For ext4 you would need LVM to somewhat achieve something similar, but it’s still not as mighty as what ZFS (and btrfs) offer out of the box.

ZFS also has a lot of caching strategies specifically optimized for storage boxes. Means: it will eat your RAM, but become pretty fast. That’s not a trade-off you want on a desktop (or a multi purpose server), since you typically also need RAM for applications running. But on a NAS, that is completely fine. AFAIK TrueNAS defaults to ZFS. Synology uses btrfs by default. Proxmox runs on ZFS.

4am ,

ZFS cache will mark itself as such, so if the kernel needs more RAM for applications it can just dump some of the ZFS cache and use whatever it needs.

I see lots of threads on homelab where new users are like “HELP MY ZFS IS USING 100% MEMORY” and we have to talk them off that ledge: unused RAM is wasted RAM, ZFS is making sure you’re running fast AF.

aksdb ,

ZFS cache will mark itself as such, so if the kernel needs more RAM for applications it can just dump some of the ZFS cache and use whatever it needs.

In theory. Practically unless I limit the max ARC size, processes get OOM killed quite frequently here.

MonkderZweite ,

unused RAM is wasted RAM

In theory. But how it is implemented in current systems, reserved memory can not be used by other processes and those other processes can not just ask the hog to give some space. Eventually, the hog gets OOM-killed or the system freezes.

PixxlMan ,

Even when, as the comment says, the memory is marked as cache?

Windows doesn’t have this problem

ReversalHatchery ,

are there applications where zfs/btrfs is more or less appropriate than ext4 or even FAT?

Neither of them likes to deal with very low amounts of free space, so don’t use it on places where that is often a scarcity. ZFS gets really slow when free space is almost none, and nowadays I don’t know about BTRFS but a few years ago filling the partition caused data corruption there.

excitingburp ,

Btw COW isn’t necessarily (and isn’t at least for ZFS) a performance trade-off. Data isn’t really copied, new data is simply written elsewhere on the disk (and the old data is not marked as free space).

Ultimately it actually means “the data behaves as though it was copied,” which can be achieved in many ways. There are many ways to do that without actually copying.

teawrecks ,

So let me give an example, and you tell me if I understand. If you change 1MB in the middle of a 1GB file, the filesystem is smart enough to only allocate a new 1MB chunk and update its tables to say “the first 0.5GB lives in the same old place, then 1MB is over here at this new location, and the remaining 0.5GB is still at the old location”?

If that’s how it works, would this over time result in a single file being spread out in different physical blocks all over the place? I assume sequential reads of a file stored contiguously would usually have better performance than random reads of a file stored all over the place, right? Maybe not for modern SSDs…but also fragmentation could become a problem, because now you have a bunch of random 1MB chunks that are free.

I know ZFS encourages regular “scrubs” that I thought just checked for data integrity, but maybe it also takes the opportunity to defrag and re-serialize? I also don’t know if the other filesystems have a similar operation.

d3Xt3r , (edited )

Not OP, but yes, that’s pretty much how it works. (ZFS scrubs do not defrgment data however).

Fragmentation isn’t really a problem for several reasons.

  • Some (most?) COW filesystems have mechanisms to mitigate fragmentation. ZFS, for instance, uses a special allocation strategy to minimize fragmentation and can reallocate data during certain operations like resilvering or rebalancing.

  • ZFS doesn’t even have a traditional defrag command. Because of its design and the way it handles file storage, a typical defrag process is not applicable or even necessary in the same way it is with other traditional filesystems

  • Btrfs too handles chunk allocation effeciently and generally doesn’t require defragmentation, and although it does have a defrag command, it’s almost never used by anyone, unless you have a special reason to (eg: maybe you have a program that is reading raw sectors of a file, and needs the data to be contiguous).

  • Fragmentation is only really an issue for spinning disks, however, that is no longer a concern for most spinning disk users because:

    • Most home users who still have spinning disks use it for archival/long term storage/media that rarely changes (eg: photos, movies, other infrequently accessed data), so fragmentation rarely occurs here and even if it does, it’s not a concern.
    • Power users typically have a DAS or NAS setup where spinning disks are in a RAID config with striping, so the spread of data across multiple sectors actually has an advantage for averaging out read times (so no file is completely stuck in the slow regions of a disk), but also, any performance loss is also generally negated because a single file can typically be read from two or more drives simultaneously, depending on the redundancy config.
  • Enterprise users also almost always use a RAID (or similar) setup, so the same as above applies. They also use filesystems like ZFS which employs heavy caching mechanisms, typically backed by SSDs/NVMes, so again, fragmentation isn’t really an issue.

teawrecks ,

Cool, good to know. I’d be interested to learn how they mitigate fragmentation, though. It’s not clear to me how COW could mitigate the copy cost without fragmentation, but I’m certain people smarter than me have been thinking about the problem for my whole life. I know spinning disks have their own set of limitations, but even SSDs perform better on sequential reads over random reads, so it seems like the preference would still be to not split a file up too much.

ReversalHatchery ,

In case of ZFS and bcachefs, you also have native encryption, making LUKS obsolete.

I don’t think that it makes LUKS obsolete. LUKS encrypts the entire partition, but ZFS (and BTRFS too as I know) only encrypt the data and some of the metadata, the rest is kept as it is.

openzfs.github.io/…/zfs-load-key.8.html#Encryptio…

Data that is not encrypted can be modified from the outside (the checksums have to be updated of course), which can mean from a virus on a dual booted OS to an intruder/thief/whatever.
If you have read recently about the logofail attack, the same could happen with modifying the technical data of a filesystem, but it may be bad enough if they just swap the names of 2 of your snapshots if they just want to cause trouble.

But otherwise this is a good summary.

lemann ,

BTRFS has encryption now? Yay!! I have been wrapping it inside a LUKS partition for years at this point…

KiranWells ,
@KiranWells@pawb.social avatar

They said bcachefs; I don’t think BTRFS has it, at least not since I last checked.

mcepl ,
@mcepl@lemmy.world avatar

ZFS is not really hip. It’s pretty old. But also pretty solid. Unfortunately it’s licensed in a way that is maybe incompatible with the GPL, so no one wants to take the risk of trying to get it into Linux. So in the Linux world it is always a third-party-addon. In the BSD or Solaris world though …

Also ZFS has tendency to have HIGH (really HIGH) hardware/CPU/memory requirements.

bamboo ,

It was originally designed for massive storage servers (“zettabyte” file system) rather than personal laptops and desktops. It was before the current convergence trend too, so allocating all of the system resources to the file system was considered very beneficial if it could improve performance.

mcepl ,
@mcepl@lemmy.world avatar

I haven’t meant it as the criticism of ZFS. It is just so, and perhaps there were good reasons for it. Now (especially with the convergence trend) it hurts.

Blaze , (edited ) to asklemmy in How did Lemmy World become the default instance?
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At the time, LW was among the only ones that could handle the influx of registrations.

So naturally, it became the default one, as people would want to get on the biggest one, similar to a way the biggest Mastodon instance is very prevalent.

People were also afraid their All feed won’t be as full if they were not on LW.

Nowadays I think the repartition is a bit better, and most of the top communities have at least an equivalent out of LW.

Masimatutu OP ,
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Yeah, I guess people have a reflex to always go wherever is the biggest (which doesn’t really make sense in the Fediverse).

Mastodon is different, though. Mastodon.social is the default instance and is heavily suggested by the company, while join-lemmy.org lists instances randomly by default. There must be something that inclined users to join it, considering that it gained enough momentum to make up more than half of Lemmy users (not counting alien.top).

Blaze ,
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Join-lemmy was different at the time. There were only a few instances listed, and most of them where either quite selective in their registration, completely closed, or open. LW was among the last ones.

There was also the trend (and I did it as well) to tell Reddit users to “just go to LW, it’s like Reddit” to avoid having to confuse them with federation.

KSPAtlas ,
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Back when i made this account, lemmy.ml was i think one of the only instances with an active user count in the triple digits, and sopuli had single digits

jeena ,
@jeena@jemmy.jeena.net avatar

alien.top

I never heard of that instance, it has over one milion users but zero communities, what kind of a instance is that??

Masimatutu OP ,
@Masimatutu@mander.xyz avatar

Reddit mirror, see lemm.ee/post/16850498

jeena ,
@jeena@jemmy.jeena.net avatar

Oh god, I see, thanks for the link!

livus ,
@livus@kbin.social avatar

@jeena pretty sure it's bots.

iso ,
@iso@lemy.lol avatar

TBH they couldn’t handled the traffic at the beginning because Lemmy wasn’t stable as is now, but I believe they tried their best. Also I can’t say for all of them but their admins are reliable, trustworthy people.

illi ,

I was on LW at first but made a switch specifically because the instancencouldn’t handle the influx

Rocketpoweredgorilla ,
@Rocketpoweredgorilla@lemmy.ca avatar

There was also a user that was booted for sublemmy camping (literally trying to grab thousands of sub names) that was constantly ddosing the site, and doing everything they could to mess things up for others.

TeaHands ,
@TeaHands@lemmy.world avatar

Oh wow yeah the “I’m going to destroy your server” guy. I wonder what happened to him.

Rocketpoweredgorilla ,
@Rocketpoweredgorilla@lemmy.ca avatar

Probably still around under a different name or over on hexbear with all the other like-minded individuals.

antik ,
@antik@lemmy.world avatar

No this had nothing to do with Hexbear

Rocketpoweredgorilla ,
@Rocketpoweredgorilla@lemmy.ca avatar

I never said they had anything to do with it, only that may be where he went. (assuming he’s not still here.) The crap he was posting was very similar to what they were spamming.

antik ,
@antik@lemmy.world avatar

Ok just want to make it clear that we never suspected Hexbear to be involved. This started before we defederated with them.

Rocketpoweredgorilla ,
@Rocketpoweredgorilla@lemmy.ca avatar

No problem, maybe I should have been more clear with my comment. I was here when all that crap went down under a different username before I switched to this .ca one as my daily driver.

antik ,
@antik@lemmy.world avatar

*allegedly

We are not sure who was behind the ddos. It could have been that guy or it could have been users from exploding-heads.com because we defederated with them.

Or it could just as well have been an admins from another instance that didn’t like LW was the biggest instance.

The only thing that was sure was that they knew very well how Lemmy worked and which actions caused the heaviest load on the server.

Selkie ,

Same here, switched cause of the down time mostly

antik ,
@antik@lemmy.world avatar

We couldn’t handle the ddos at times, the influx was never the problem. Every time that did become a problem we upgraded the hardware.

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