“State’s rights! Unless you’re a progressive state in which case fuck you, obey me!”
Just more fuel for my belief that conservatives worldwide are either suffering from major brain damage because they were exposed to too much lead and other harmful chemicals as children due to corporate deregulation, or they’re just evil. Most likely a combination of both. The evil ones are at the top and the brain damaged ones keep supporting them.
Nothing conservatives say or do makes sense otherwise.
It makes perfect sense. It’s about control by any means. The fact of the matter is that, by definition, conservatives don’t want progress. They’ll say and do anything to stand in the way of progress, even if it’s contradictory.
I should also add that defunding education and pushing religion in schools is a part of the brain damage component, albeit not chemically induced. And as the old guard conservatives who were intelligent but evil are dying off, we’re starting to see more of the brain damaged/stupid ones enter positions of authority.
suffering from major brain damage because they were exposed to too much lead and other harmful chemicals as children due to corporate deregulation
As someone old enough to having played with all these wooden toys coated in shiny lead-based colors followed by plastics with even more harmful chemicals... I'm pretty sure you have to start with a lot of damage already, then develop the habit of trying to eat your toys. Which is a gateway drug to drinking bleach.
It’s the lead they used to put in gas that was the real problem. Up until a few decades ago basically everyone was regularly exposed to unhealthy levels of environmental lead because of leaded gas. It mostly has an impact on children so it’s really just the Boomers and older GenX who grew up exposed that are still around with lead-addled brains, instead of all of society like it used to be before the switch to unleaded gas.
It’s not exactly an excuse but it does explain certain things. For example, the massive drop in violent crimes that began after kids stopped growing up with too much lead in their brains.
The US banned leaded gas for all cars on the road in 1996 but we phased it out much earlier. The Clean air act was passed in 1970 which created the EPA. The EPA set standards on how much carbon monoxide, nitrogen oxide, and hydrocarbons cars could have in their exhaust. To meet those standards automakers had to use catalytic converters and leaded gas destroys catalytic converters quickly. Because of this no new car introduced in the US since 1975 has used leaded gas. It was banned about 20 years later to let the old cars be operated through their normal lifecycle. We still use lead on n some aviation fuel.
For most of that 20 year transition, gas stations had a choice of leaded or unleaded gas. I got my license in ‘82, and never drove a vehicle that still used leaded gas
People always think that if you invent a Time Machine you should kill Hitler when he was a kid. Screw that, the man we really need to kill as a kid is Thomas Midgley Jr… Dude invented both Tetraethyllead and CFCs.
Lead gas is also still in use! There are lots of old planes that take higher octane gas, and because rich people tend to own planes, the government allows aviation fuel to still have lead, leading to poisoning children that happen to live downwind general aviation airports. www.politico.com/…/aviation-lead-fuel-00081641
Pizza Hut is a joke in the bay area and Sacramento area. There are just too many good pizza places. I think it’s messed up, but I also think they aren’t doing well for more than just the delivery process.
Look there is always better pizza, but I’m still going to have to buy Pizza Hut once in a while unless The Pizza Shop in SF starts selling stuffed crust
This is exactly why we have the type of shit we have right now. Because stuffed crust is more important than principles. I swear people have no willpower anymore.
You mean some gimmick no one gives a fuck about? Have you seen a real pizza restaurant sell stuffed crust? I haven’t. And if they did I wouldn’t order it.
You’ll eat shitty pizza that tastes like ass purely because it has stuffed crust.
Bullshit like this is why everything in this country is going down the toilet.
That’s the charitable interpretation! The other way of reading it is that in reality some children are obese while others go hungry, but they can’t be bothered to give a shit which are which.
Nothing they say is about children. Regardless of the topic, anything they say can be translated to “this isn’t making the rich richer, perhaps it’s even making the rich less rich, and therefore I will vote against it”
I think Israel is losing the information war on this recent crisis. They’re trying to defend the indefensible. There’s no way to spin “we dropped a bomb on a refugee camp” into something acceptable. And people are seeing the bullshit for what it is.
They really screwed the pooch on this one from a messaging stance. Stepping back from the emotions and the war crimes and just looking at their propaganda, it’s just being handled sloppily. Propaganda has always been Israel’s superpower, and they’re doing a terrible job of it.
You don’t defend the bombing of a refugee camp by saying “There may have been tunnels or infrastructure.”
At this point you just lie and say you know there were military objectives. Or pull a play from the US and count the bodies and claim that any body of a “military-age male” was a combatant.
Admitting on international television that you knowingly and intentionally bombed a bunch of civilians you absolutely knew you were killing just in case there might be bad guys among them is a bad look.
Propaganda has always been Israel’s superpower, and they’re doing a terrible job of it.
They’re using the exact same kind of messaging they’re using internally to their own right-wing and scared centre, “tough guys making hard decisions to keep you safe” kind of stuff. To people who went on school trips to Auschwitz with armed Israeli security – not because visiting Poland wouldn’t be safe, but out of a mixture of security theatre and propaganda. It just doesn’t work if you aren’t part of that particular information bubble. They seem to have forgotten that it doesn’t even work on the Israeli left wing so why should it work on random people from elsewhere.
Also stunts like the yellow stars in the security council. Come the fuck on crocodile-teared self-victimisation can’t possibly be more blatant, and it’s fucking disgusting how they trivialise the Holocaust with that shit.
I think it’s a combination of pushing boundaries of tactics that were previously working well enough for them and not realising that over time, more and more people become aware that Israel is a present day colonial country still doing some of the evil shit we’re not proud of our own countries for doing in the past. And people are more willing to challenge the anti-semitism accusations because there’s a huge difference between hating people for existing and hating what an authoritarian power is doing to a population it hates for not quietly letting them take more and more of their land.
Not to mention I don’t think the response to 9/11 was a good one either and evoking that seems to be one of the prongs of their propaganda attack. There’s a comment a bit higher up doing that exactly, but it’s kinda funny because in the first paragraph it sounds like it’s making a 9/11 reference ironically, but then the 2nd paragraph shows it was serious.
At this point you just lie and say you know there were military objectives. Or pull a play from the US and count the bodies and claim that any body of a “military-age male” was a combatant.
One of them tried that same claim in an interview yesterday. Not Hecht, but an older guy - he said, seeing the video of the cleanup effort (men sorting through rubble), “a lot of those look like military age males”.
They’ve been doing that for years. They shot Shireen Abu Akleh, showed up at her funeral to beat the shit out of the people carrying her coffin, and then just recently bulldozed the memorial to her.
Posted this above but I’ll copy here, since you seem to be making the same mistake as Wolf.
Friendly reminder this is an urban center with 50k people normally living in it, with permanent concrete buildings. This is not a bunch of tents and soup pots.
I’m not the one you responded to, I don’t hate Jews. What I do hate is people like you excusing the killing of civilians as acceptable collateral for the greater good. Fuck off!
I suppose if you hate Jews enough anything can look like anything.
If you think that one being able make bombing a refugee camp that was known to be populated “look” like genocide proves that person hates Jews, then I don’t know what to tell you.
They did not kill a battalion. Not even Israel is claiming that. They may have killed a battalion commander. And Israel still isn’t letting refugees flee through their lines so that’s still a terroristic threat not a warning.
Israel’s military has been calling for civilians to leave northern Gaza since airstrikes began. But some are too old or ill to travel. Others have weighed up dangers including attacks on convoys heading south and airstrikes in areas in the south that Israel designated “safer” zones, and decided to stay.
they might be losing the information war but they’ll always have the support of the governments of the english speaking world and they don’t actually need to win the information war. they’re winning the kill-the-other-guys war and no one who can do anything about it wants to.
Even Western governments are getting uncomfortable about this. I think Israel overestimates just how far they can go before the West starts to consider pulling their support.
Even if the West “starts to consider” maybe not wholeheartedly backing Israel’s brutal actions, it will be some time before they do anything about it, if they ever do. Until then Israel will continue killing.
LoL. Western governments still aren’t even saying “please stop” let alone pulling the billions in funding that’s being used to do this.
I expect Israel just out and out kill everyone is Gaza this time and take the land thinking it will end this problem forever. I expect in 10 years they’ll figure out they failed when another attack happens.
How will that be a failure? They’ll have finished the ethnic cleansing of the region and added more land. Another terrorist attack that kills a few people will just give them another casus belli to do another genocide somewhere else, probably in the west bank next.
They are only winning if killing civilians is winning. It isn’t, France killed tens of thousands of Algerians before being promptly defeated and expelled. Same thing happened in Vietnam. The Palestinian resistance is inflicting huge losses in the Israeli army. Scores of destroyed tanks and dead israeli soldiers every day
They will literally want a blood price measured in tens of thousands of bodies. At the funeral of mass murderer Baruch Goldstein a Rabby famously said “one million Arabs are not worth one Jewish fingernail”
I’m not downplaying the deaths of 10,000 people or that 30,000 have been injured. There are over a million displaced and over 2 million Palestinians live in Gaza, more in the West Bank and more in the surrounding countries.
Israel cannot win this. It is impossible to accomplish their genocide. That’s after weeks of bombing spending who knows how much on munitions. Logistically it’s impossible.
They can’t genocide the entire Palestinian people and they are not going to be able to expel the gazans. They think that murdering thousands will deter Palestinians from resisting, but that’s hugely incorrect. We can, as colonized people have shown before us, withstand huge bloodshed. Colonizers cannot. The scale of resistance is only increasing, and once it reaches the tipping point of inflicting what the Israelis can’t endure, this occupation will be over.
Yeah, but it’s pretty damning to see all the astroturfing on social media, blacklisting from companies, and crackdowns on peaceful protests by governments.
I think we’re witnessing one big Streisand-effect here where people are fed up at having others choose what they can see and what they can say.
I’m very proud at how the narrative didn’t snowball in Israel’s favor. If anything, this caused people who blindly supported Israel to learn more about the history of the region and why there is conflict in the first place.
If you weren’t anti-Zionist before, you’re probably one now.
Is she looking at Feinstein and thinking “well, I don’t need to be propped up yet, so I should still be able to run the country!”
I don’t care on which side of the aisle these oldies sit. They do not represent the will of a people who are largely younger than they are by two decades.
No, she's looking at her and her husband's bank accounts and thinking "well, I don't need to be propped up yet, so I can continue to be grossly corrupt and get even richer"
Explain how. Can you cite any trades that are particularly suspicious?
You’re basically espousing right wing talking points that they came up with to divert attention from the republicans who are actively insider trading. There are plenty of things to criticize pelosi for rather than this stupid argument which isn’t backed up by facts.
bloomberg.com/…/pelosi-s-husband-locked-in-5-3-mi…Paul Pelosi is forever making suspiciously well-timed trades. When it became a scandal, they intentionally sold Nvidia shares at a loss to try to end scrutiny of that trade.
It’s not a Republican talking point. I’m as far left as they come and I’m offended by her corruption (even if Joe Manchin’s family seems worse).
So, he exercised his options he held for quite a while, a “week before House panel considered antitrust bills”. What exactly was the insider information? And, he just exercised the options to hold the stock. Not sure how that’s evidence of insider trading
Republicans are masters of messaging. They latch onto one thing for one person and pound it over and over again. The left accepts that these are bad things (they are) but won’t whatabout enough about the Republicans that do it worse, so this becomes Pelosi’s image while those that do it worse are unknown.
While you are right this has zero to do with whatever party you want to idolize it’s a problem for all sides we need to focus on all of them, none of these clowns should be able to make trades, they are in positions where they actually can shape the outcomes of their trades that’s fucking ridiculous
And on topic there needs to be some realistic term limits for these jackasses especially when they start to get older, nothing wrong with being old but if you are running a country and you get stuck staring at cameras in a daze it’s time to go… ffs most people I know can’t wait to retire and would do so even earlier if they could yet these goblins are slopping it up at the trough
Never said it wasn’t the case, I just pointed out the Pelosi is always the target when the fact is she’s not the worst and there’s zero attention put on any Republicans regarding that.
So how about we start paying attention to Republican tradings?
People are. See those red bars in the infographics you posted? Paying attention to trades made by Republicans and paying attention made by Democrats are not mutually exclusive (also illustrated by the infographics you posted). What are you trying to achieve with this whataboutism?
I’m just pointing out the fact that people are always pointing at Pelosi but she’s not the biggest culprit and no people aren’t putting as much attention on the people who are actually worse than her.
Different story in 2020, wasn’t it? This infographic includes members of the house only though. Insider trading in the senate may have been worse or better, depending on how you’re looking at it.
The average age of constituents in her district is 40. I cant figure out how she keeps getting elected, unless she’s just never had a peimary challenger worth a damn.
She predates the baby boomers. She was in diapers when pearl harbor was bombed. Two decades younger should be the mandatory retirement age for politicians.
Today’s phrase is “garnish your wages.” If their protest doesn’t involve moving to another country it’s not going to happen. I’ve thought about it too, but my contingency,for that definitely involves moving to Scandinavia.
Ah bullshit. Civil rights weren’t achieved by threatening to leave and not be the oppressor’s problem anymore, they were achieved by standing ones ground damned the consequences. No one wants to be a martyr, but that’s how battles are unfortunately won, especially against today’s brand of fascists.
That’s partly why it’s so worrisome. 10 years ago, it would have meant something, but now it’s too late, and I fear now it will only negatively contribute to climate collapse and cause the genocide we hope to avoid.
I think it might be too late to save the country and we all ought to get several state governments to secede… and if a civil war brews because of that, then it would at least have some semblance of a positive outcome.
Lol that’s why we are in this situation. 99% of the people complaining are gonna go home, order doordash, watch netflix, do nothing, and cry when the world doesn’t magically conform to their expectations.
Right so we should ruin their credit scores so it gets harder to rent (yes rental agencies check) or buy a car (even if they get one, their interest rate will be super high). Better we just fuck people over since they can’t afford a house, right?
Lemmy.world kids will never understand the actual world and how it works…
You can’t just all complain you’re getting fucked AND agree to all do nothing about it. The rest of the world is watching and laughing at the USA right now.
Don’t pay your American banks, there is nothing stopping you from doing that.
Many people can’t afford to move. When were you born? Just give me a decade. You sound like a Boomer. Born into a fantastic economic situation, ruining it for the future, and then sitting on the sidelines with stupid fucking opinions
Calling an outsider looking in, a “boomer,” doesn’t help the situation. My 25-30s were spent just-fucking-escaping that cesspool. Again, if you owe more than say… 10k, it makes more sense to take your diploma to another country.
10k is way more money than it takes to get to Canada, Germany, France, Spain, Australia, anywhere really. Every single other “industrialized” nation pays for their citizens healthcare because it’s cheaper in the long run.
If you can find a SEA country that will take you? Even more power to you.
Don’t see the world from your own lemmy.world myopic-viewpoint. Big, big banks’ collateral will be fucked when these types of loans all collapse and get downgraded by fitch(/etc). Not paying will just shorten the fuse for these trillion $ orgs.
For one, you dodged the question. For two, wanna float me 10+ grand? Promise I’ll pay it back in social security. I already started payment so you know I’m good for it.
Edit to add (since you’re probably too old to understand acronyms): How old are you? You’ve failed to answer this question
Take 100% of what unemployment will pay you for 5-6 weeks. Depends on the state, but this gave me 5.6k. Hunker down and eat staple foods. Even during inflationary times, you can get by pretty cheaply on rice/chicken/eggs.
Take out a loan with an American country company. If they lent you 100k for school, maybe Sofi or some other online bank would give you 20k. Now prepare to move anything you care about to your destination.
UHAUL’s long term rentals are very cheap (esp if you have a hitch already and can tow it yourself). If you don’t have a car, that might be a good first step with the 25.6k if you’re thinking of Canada.
If you’re thinking EU, you’re going to make sure you can get a visa to where you’re going. Also sell most of your heavy items, as you’re going to want to just buy those heavier objects when you get there. Treat items like a price/density ratio and try to keep sentimental things over “I want to be cool” items like heavy computers or other electronics.
Getting a passport in the states is the biggest hurdle. Be very specific and follow instructions or they will send it back weeks later saying to fix something (try again). Currently their website lists a “record number” of requests of people trying to leave. :/
Something like 10-13 weeks to get a passport…?, USA needs to step tf up
I have a passport already, my work paid for it. That’s not the issue. The issue is that student loans are burdening people in an unmanageable way. Once the payments start kicking in, I’ll be fine, but many people won’t. Should they have not got useless degrees, Ya. But they don’t deserve to suffer for it when everyone told them to choose whatever they want. But that shouldn’t haunt them for the rest of their lives. I’m done arguing, so this is my opinion. Agree or not, that’s fine
Ppl need to know that student loans (federal or private) and medical related debts don’t impact your credit scores nearly as much as say private loans, mortgage, auto loan, etc.
A friend was taking a walk with her daughter, she called her from the other side of the street. She didn’t see the car coming though. The daughter ran over the street and was killed by the car.
She couldn’t see the car, because the parked cars were bigger and blocked the view.
An unfortunate accident, but she never got over it. It’s been 30 years, but she’s as devastated as before.
The daughter only crossed the street, because the she called her. This broke her.
From the bottom of my soul, FUCK big cars. Our cars are so much bigger than they need to be, and they legitimately ruin lives with their size and blindspots.
You would not believe the downvotes I’ve gotten for saying this exact thing. I’m not a parent, but I do take the time to really consider what having to care for an infant would be like. I have been sleep deprived (edit: though, nowhere near the level of a new parent) so I perfectly understand how you could unintentionally cause the death of your kid. I think the hypothetical I gave was something like
You’re out running errands with the baby on your day off while the spouse is at work. You got maybe 4 hours of sleep between getting up to feed and change, and you’re lifting and carrying and running around all day. You stop home to drop off some shopping, you even leave the car running because you’ll be right out. Quick plop on the couch just to rest your legs and back, and then suddenly it’s five hours later and you start awake remembering you left the car running… and the baby in the car.
I know the terror I feel from that little hypothetical, I can’t believe it doesn’t hit close to home with actual parents too. And then, to be held socially - even if not legally - liable on top of your own guilt… an awful, horrible, soul-chilling situation to contemplate. I wish there were more compassion for new parents, I’d bet it’s more common than we think that parents’ bodies just shut down from the strain.
I thought I understood the sleep deprivation until I became a dad. The part most people don’t account for is the chronic nature of it. It’s not 1 night, or even a few, it’s weeks and months of it. It’s also combined with having your hormones thrown for a loop (yes, men too!). It jams your brain in ways you would never expect.
It’s so easy to screw up that badly that I’m amazed at how infrequent it actually is.
I am actually in my big sleep deprivation peak with the second one, and I thought I knew better after the first one, but there is just no breaks.
6:30 am to 8:00 pm every single day of the week, and then trying to catch up the house chores and anything we’ve missed during the weekend.
Then, people have the gall to tell me I should be all fresh when I have one morning in months where I don’t have to wake up at 6:30. Motherfucker, I haven’t really slept a full night in months, it’s not one night that will fix it all.
I would believe it. People here are absolute fucking idiots about situations they think they would be perfect in, and never understand how mistakes/sleep deprivation/routine disruption happen.
It’s like the adage about security: blue has to get it right every single day, red has to get it right once.
Sleep deprivation is no joke and doesn’t take many nights at all. A while back, the worst upstairs neighbors on the planet woke me every night, multiple times a night. My cognitive function definitely suffered.
I hope those neighbors are miserable wherever they ended up. They deserve it. I asked them multiple times with decreasing politeness to not slam doors or fling objects around at 3 AM.
Ah that article, that scared me shitless when I first read it while my wife was pregnant. A single “oops” that really doesn’t just fuck a person up, it ruins their entire life.
“Death by hyperthermia” is the official designation. When it happens to young children, the facts are often the same: An otherwise loving and attentive parent one day gets busy, or distracted, or upset, or confused by a change in his or her daily routine, and just… forgets a child is in the car. It happens that way somewhere in the United States 15 to 25 times a year, parceled out through the spring, summer and early fall. The season is almost upon us.
If you ever accidentally left food in the microwave for a few hours, this could be you with children.
Anyways here’s the archive org link since the primary link is paywalled.
Thinks back to the time I made a giant russet baked potato and forgot about it until the same time the next day when I reheated something from the fridge and wondered why it was still cold after several minutes on high… only to find the dried remains of a flayed potato hiding underneath a paper towel. I set the second plate on top of it without even realizing it was still in there.
I hear you, but as a fellow scatterbrain, the solution is that your shoe goes next to the car seat before you load it. Or something else, but a shoe is pretty hard to forget.
“I’m sorry, officer, you see, this person on the Internet told me to put something important with the baby so I wouldn’t forget it, so I gave it my car keys, and now they’re both locked in the car!”
Aren’t mirrors not recommended because of the potential hazard of them shattering and piercing baby in a car accident? It’s why I don’t have one; I wonder if that’s why these other parents didn’t, either
It doesn’t have to be a glass mirror. Any reflective material is fine and that can be done on fairly soft material. But yes, the hazard is a harder mirror becoming an additional projectile in a car crash a whacking the baby in the face.
If you ever accidentally left food in the microwave
I’ve lost count of how many times. Now we have a microwave with a reminder beep that keeps going off every minute or so until you open the door. Best feature ever.
Ah yes! That way my kid can definitely die of hyperthermia in my arms walking 5 miles to the grocery in 100°F instead of almost certainly not dying in my car.
Edit: just Google child heat stroke—the cases all involve kids trapped in vehicles. Heat stroke for young, healthy people in the outdoor environment is not difficult to avoid. It usually occurs when people are forced to do intense physical labor without rest. It’s not happening while you’re walking with your kid to school or daycare or whatever.
Cars are much more dangerous to children than walking is. There is a mountain of evidence to support this.
To a much less serious degree it happened to me/my daughter. Brought her in one winter in her car seat and set her down next to my bed with her coat still on. Instantly fell asleep on the bed for at least an hour. When I came to she was drenched in sweat. Obviously panicked and got her out but she seemed unfazed, stretched a little, and went back to sleep. Still feel bad years later.
I was going to be dropping my son off at daycare before work (something I usually didn’t do), and my normal routine was to stop at Wawa for breakfast. I stopped, got out, grabbed my breakfast, got back in, and only then remembered that he was in the back. He had been VERY uncharacteristically quiet prior, and I was tired, and I just… forgot he was in the back.
It caused absolutely no harm (I was only in the Wawa for 5-10 min), but it was a very sobering moment. I can definitely understand how it happens.
Fuck Texas, residents of the state can keep their fucking non-competes if they love them so fucking much… elsewhere let’s move ahead with this fucking awesome policy.
If your company has PTO hours and you leave your job in Texas they don’t require you get paid out those hours so they are just lost. My coworker learned that. Absolutely need better worker protections across the board and Non-competes getting tossed is huge.
They said “choosing,” which is the key word in their statement. Some people don’t have a choice like you said, but that’s really just a matter of the push/pull forces of migration at this point.
Yea, I honestly don’t know what low income folks and kids can do - it’s such a regressive place but if you’re stuck there you just have to bear it and hope for change.
The original comment I was responding to was talking about PTO reclamation which is, sadly, a pretty white collar concern.
Fuck Texas. Anytime I hear people complain about “Democrat policies” around me, I just wish they’d move to their utopia in Florida, Texas, or any of the other “who’ll come up with the stupidest bullshit freedom-encroaching laws next” red state.
Workers leaving states like CA for Texas are like anti-vaxxers who think vaccines are stupid because they don’t know anyone with polio.
If our country survives for another couple decades, they’ll be so proud of themselves for “inventing” all the same worker protections they left behind. But not before experiencing their economic polio first hand.
Candidate so unpopular they’re neck and neck with literally the worst president in the countries history.
Candidate’s diehard supporters when their guy loses: “surely this isn’t my candidates fault for alienating the bulk of his base while supporting a far-right fascist genocide. This must be the fault of the Democratic base!”
Give me a break. Neolibs only have themselves to blame if Biden can’t win against the single most beatable opponent in history.
Fear and threats don’t work anymore, you guys have got to actually allow non-conservative candidates out there or Dems will just keep losing. Most of the Democratic base is not going to vote for a Reagan Republican in Dem clothing.
Idiots were saying the same exact thing during the primaries. They’re saying it right now as AIPAC pours millions into races to unseat democrats using Republican money.
Also, you know, the Dem primary in my state was literally canceled this year so there’s that.
I’ll go ahead and send the message in the general since that’s the choice neolibs left me. If they don’t like it then they need to not field unelectable conservative candidates.
Lol sure thing. I’m not making a statement on ideology at all. Just your maturity on expecting a right now solution and the futility of your method of protest voting.
There was no primary this year. The democrats managed to cancel them in a bunch of states even though Biden would’ve easily sailed through against the democratic candidates (uncommitted beat both of them combined where that was an option).
I was speaking down ballot or during another potus election cycle. I obviously didnt mean to, literally, save that energy for hypothetical elections that would have already happened.
Also, not having a POTUS primary when there is no challenger and an incumbent isn’t as big of a deal. Tactically, it’s just bad optics with no tangible benefit. It’s definitely something immature people pout about though.
My bigger point is. I agree with the opinion being communicated but there is no pathway to action on those ideas right now. That energy is for the primaries but its fighting yesterday’s battles. I’m not defending the DNC but its Biden vs Trump, thats just reality. Time to clean your diaper.
Dude, it’s a party politics problem really, compounded by corrupt electoral bullshit like the electoral college, gerrymanderind and malapportionment. The two party nominees at any election have never been the parties’ best and/or brightest.
I don’t get upset about people not voting, I just believe democracy works better in countries where voting is compulsory. Also, a much easier change that few would oppose is that election day should be on the weekend. Well, the Jews and Christians might fight it out, but they both suck.
Democracy is a continuum, and we trade individual rights for collective benefits, like making healthcare and education free (and compulsory) for a better society. Americans just didn’t read the contract and individuals are now fucked over in favour of the state and its oligarchs. You can disagree with me if you’re an anarcho-syndicalist but my comparison relates to current, existing democracies (e.g. Belgium, Australia)
So you’ll get a literal tyrant who already wanted to execute his OWN STAFF, who encourage the police to brutalize BLM protestors, who gleefully chortles about sexually assaulting women… Who plans on installing himself as President for Life, with his children to follow.
This is probably a joke, but it doesn’t work because shielding your adult children from the consequences of their own actions does not show you care about them.
I’m sure the Democrats will consider your message carefully as Trump starts bombing those brown kids.
Parties cater to voters, not to non-voters. If the voters chose Trump, they will move towards his policies, including on Israel. You will achieve the opposite of what you want.
But I’m sure the Palestinians will appreciate the hollow gesture.
I can understand your principles, but the world, and specifically the US election system, doesn’t give a shit about them. Not voting always results in the party you dislike most gaining an advantage. That is the net result of your actions.
Hold your nose if you must, but Palestinians can’t afford a Republican president. Biden, for all his many faults, at least pushes for a peace.
I’m sure the Democrats will consider your message carefully as Trump starts bombing those brown kids.
Biden is already supplying all the bombs and bullets Israel needs, there’s nothing worse Trump can do in this regard. US bombs are already killing Gazans and the Biden admin has shown no serious attempts at ending the genocide, the question is what kind of future conditions can be created within the Demicratic party to deter them from continuing to field pro-genocide candidates.
Unfortunately neoliberals have guarunteed this problem has no quick fix.
Parties cater to voters, not to non-voters.
Which is why you’re all so keen to suppress and deny the uncommitted vote, and instead continually try to reframe it as if people are simply staying home.
I vote reliably. Just never for genocide supporters. I’ll submit a blank ballot if necessary to avoid that.
I can understand your principle
This is clearly a lie. You neither have principles nor understand their purpose. If someone is flexible on genocide support they’re flexible on literally anything.
It’s only a matter of time before you’re operating in a frame where your practical policy positions are as extreme right as MAGA is in now and they’ve moved on to some other even more unimaginable extreme. It’s already happening with immigration; Biden’s anti-asylum schtick is literally indistinguishable from what Trump attempted during his term and was denied bybthe courts as illegal.
Hold your nose if you must, but Palestinians can’t afford a Republican president. Biden, for all his many faults, at least pushes for a peace.
No. He doesn’t. 50,000 starving children and 30,000 dead Gazans killed with US supplied weapons stand as testament to that. The only way the decades long genocide of Palestinians ends is if the Democratic party is coerced by their constituents into ending their support of it. Genocide needs to be a non-starter within the democratic ranks before anyone can pretend to be discussing real solutions to what the far right Israeli regime is doing.
I will be voting uncommitted for president. There isn’t much Biden can do about that at this point, he lost his window to prove he cares about peace or even sees Palestians as human beings. Only slim chance is reform of the future DNC to try and prompt them to stop moving to the right, they’re not equipped the face Israel right now.
There’s nothing worse Trump can do??? With all due respect, but that sounds horribly naive. I fear you do not understand the real-world consequences of your non-vote here. Trump will come to power, and he’ll give Israel carte-blanche in Gaza, and possibly even provide direct military support (e.g. US soldiers on the ground or US airstrikes to provide support). The casualties will start racking up much faster than they do now. A Trump presidency allows Israel to go full mask-off.
In a two-party system, not voting isn’t an option. You risk giving power to the most pro-genocide candidate here. It sucks massive balls but it is the reality of the US electoral system. Your principles make a full-on genocide more likely to happen.
There’s a peace plan brokered by Biden that’s been accepted by Israel and that Hamas appears to be receptive to. It would end the genocide happening immediately. Trump is unlikely to make such efforts.
Your non-vote will further the genocide. That’s reality. I hope your principles can cope with that.
Trump will come to power, and he’ll give Israel carte-blanche in Gaza
They have cart-blanche right now under Biden. Him mumbling vaguely about a red line means nothing.
They’re already using US bombs, what do the Gazans care if it falls out of an American plane to? Maybe if we write on the side “This is a Republican-sent bomb” that’ll absolve Democrats, huh?
Israel has refused every ceasefire proposal that has come up because they think anything but the destructions of Hamas (an impossibility without killing everyone in Gaza) is the only way they save face.
The logistics of how Trump continuee enabling Israel don’t really interest me. If Biden wants to prove he’s resisting the genocide he needs to materially prove it with sanctions and aid withdrawl. Wringing his hands isn’t cutting it.
If you think Israel has carte-blanche under Biden, then you’re in for a rude awakening. Netanyahu is openly courting Republicans, because Biden doesn’t allow him to do everything he’d like to do. Military operations in Rafah remain limited, because of Biden’s pressure. Aid keeps trickling in because Biden set up the logistics to do so.
No, it’s not perfect. And he isn’t doing what you’d like him to do. But he does prevent worse, and Trump will do (and has promised to do) so much worse.
50,000 children are suffering from acute starvation, 30,000 people have been killed. There isn’t a hospital or school or university left standing, all of Gazas infrastructure is rubble.
I said nothing about brown kids. Or voting for a genocide supporter. And the fact that you not only feel the need to create such a shitty strawman, but that you actually believe that Biden supports genocide, illustrates how flawed your thinking is.
But I’ll digress…
Name ONE persons with the ability to defeat Trump in November and I’ll concede the argument.
One person- that is currently running- that has a chance to win the White House. Provide a name. Otherwise, admit you are here to disrupt, and walk away.
Exactly as I thought and as predictable as ALL the others that can’t answer this simple question.
You have nothing to say becasue you aren’t here to do anything other the to disrupt an election. If you had ANY belief in your ideology, you’d have provided an answer. But no- just nonsense.
No. Your questions were an attempt to deflect from your failed attempt to condescend to someone for not supporting a pro-genocide candidate (i.e. the “grown up” thing to do). Literally in response to the fact that Biden is funding the starvation of 50,000 children. “Grow up”.
Your attempt to look worldly and rely on cynicism to appear politically saavy failed immediately and revealed your disgusting right-wing politics for what they truly are so you pivoted. I’m not interested in playing the stupid game.
Name a candidate or admit you are here to disrupt. If you’re suggesting we not vote for Biden, we need to vote for someone to stop Trump, so who is it?
Answer or admit that it’s Trump you’re wanting to get elected, because that’s the only logical reason you’d be asking people not to vote-
Either suggest an alternative, or admin you’re here in bad faith.
I am here to disrupt Democratic party politics, that’s not some kind of sneaky secret. I’ll be voting Uncommitted for president since any pro-genocide candidate claiming to be a Democrat is unacceptable.
That’s the point the DNC has brought us to. Moved so far to the right that their own base won’t vote for them.
By the way, anyone who knew half of what they were talking about- and actually did give a shit about what was happening as a result of a “genocidal csndidate” would have been jumping for joy to be asked who the’d have as a alternative to Biden. I’d have gotten a ten paragraph explanation with bullet points explaining said persons policy and why they are better.
But you, like all the other bad actors here to disrupt our election, have nothing to say.
I got you to admit what I needed you to admit. We’re done here.
News flash: EVERYONE is anti-genocide. That’s is not a hot take. What’s being communist, is being a bad faith propagandist that admits they’re here to disrupt democratic politics.
Except Biden...
I don't want to wade into a which side is right here, but there was the biggest push for third parties I've ever seen in the last 4 years.
The push is still vote blue no matter who.
Every single time there's a new Republican candidate, he's the worst thing ever, and has to be stopped no matter what, but they get worse every single season. The one that follows Trump is going to be worse. The overton window has shifted so much that neither party actually stands for what the majority of Americans want.
I get that Trump is an existential threat to the US, but globally, we're facing existential threats to humanity. (Resource depletion, pollution, biodiversity loss, climate change)
What the US does matters. You guys need to do better than two genocidal geriatrics.
Not the base they want, no, but the GOP already has the base the Dems want locked down, so if they want to win elections they deal with anti-genocide voters like me. A pain in the ass, I know, but it’ll sink in eventually.
What is it you guys are always saying? “Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good.”? Can’t be all right-wing all the time, sometimes you’ve gotta compromise a little.
So you instead choose even more of that with Donald. Or you are saying the Muslim bans and “finish the job” won’t lead to ramping up the attacks? The Christian nationalist heading Congress isn’t looking to start the apocalypse and rapture? Lindsey Graham isn’t saying Israel should nuke Gaza and that the US did nothing wrong in Hiroshima?
Maybe that will be enough to shock neoliberals awake as to the reality of what they’redealing with, maybe not, but it’s the only shot we’ve got. We can’t afford any more lesser evil, we’ve reached rock bottom with this genocide.
We’re not just backsliding slowly, we’re at the bottom of the hill.
Shocking neoliberals awake will do fuckall when they are living under a dictatorship that a (I know you’re confused by this concept) Repub-appointed SCOTUS is considering granting a Long Knife to.
There will be more genocide and more war. There will be nothing at all anyone can do since the “let’s get the National Guard in” and “deport these protesters to Gaza” guys will be in charge.
We are literally in a comment section discussing the Repub candidate wanting to execute people over whatever slights. Please get a clue. No, it is not as bad as it could be.
They might finally actually admit it’s a dictatorship and start behaving accordingly.
But yeah, they could cling to their denial. That’s already happening right now though. The shock still has a better chance than the slow boil though, slim a chance as it is neoliberals will ever wake up.
That’s so delusional. “Sure, it will become a full Christofascist theocracy, but people might become aware of that, so it is better.” You have childish hot takes on the matter.
How is it childish? What’s more dangerous; a public that slowly acclimates to fascism or one that is shocked into action at its immediacy?
All you have to offer is more slow decline. That’s the opposite of what I want. This conversation kind of demonstrates why the only hail-mary left is shocking you guys back to reality. It’s literally the only option you’ve left anti-fascists.
You made your position clear that you want a fast decline and permanent Christofascist theocracy. Then what are you going to do? Let’s assume the neolibs are woken up. They are not going to be La Resistance, they are going to be Good Germans.
It’s galling that you’re talking about shocking other people back to reality. It will be harder to push left under the dictatorship, especially after they start executing leftists.
“You guys say every election is the end of days,” again, we are literally in the comments section discussing the Repub candidate who has been expressing his desire to do political executions.
Bet it’ll be FAR worse if you get your way and Trump is elected. But along with it being worse, you can say goodbye to the LGBTQ+ and any body autonomy women have remaining.
You have NO idea what’s going on here. They’re playing with live ammo buddy. This isn’t a joke.
Women and lgbt people are already losing their rights. I think it’s you who’ve lost your way.
Look again at what your “lesser evil” is doing. Where it’s gotten us. You’ve literally been pushed so far to the right that you’re here defending the deliberate starvation of tens of thousands of children. You’re completely politically and morally disoriented.
That’s you. That’s the fruit of your support right there in that image. Go ahead and justify it to yourself however you want when you cast a vote, it doesn’t change the reality of what you’re saying is acceptable for Democrats to support.
So name someone better. Come on now, you pulled me up to the pump… let’s get some gas now! Name a candidate. Who can win that will have both the power AND authority to end your genocide?
Come on. I’m sure you have ideas. You can’t be here ONLY to stop people from voting….
Huh? I named someone better than a pro-genocide candidate; a literal inanimate object. Unfortunately the DNC has not left us with any electable options, only an old far right genocide supporter.
How is that trolling? Biden is helping starve tens of thousands of kids. That’s a fact. You might support that, I do not, you can’t rhetorically trick me into thinking that’s ok. You understand that, right?
The hubris is incredible. No amount if declaring a thing will make it true.
We’ll be “dOnE hErE” when neolibs stop fielding AIPAC stooges and funding a genocide. You won’t be able to hide from reality until that happens, then we can all go back to your right-wing lesser of two evils bs.
So you’ll vote for Trump. Come out and say it you absolute coward. Come out and say you want Trump to win without pretending you’re some faux-intellectual.
The Dems are just as complicit for not acknowledging or addressing the danger we were in from the Federalist society. First I heard of the plan to capture the courts was almost twenty years ago, people were warning about it, neolibs refused to treat it as a real threat.
Instead we got idiots thinking they could rely on “decorum” and tradition, on patting their Repub colleagues on the ass like it’s a baseball game, instead of admitting what we already knew; the right is fully fascist and out for blood.
The loss of the court is the fault of every single dipshit neolib who chose to believe that the courts weren’t a political arm, that they were actually non-partisan. It’s the fault of Ginsberg for arrogantly clinging to power despite being sick for years. It’s the fault of Democrats for refusing even now to entertain the possibility of packing the court or trying to implement term limits on justices by cycling them out to other federal positions.
They were too busy sucking corporate dick, protecting the status quo and sabotaging progressives like Sanders because he wanted functional healthcare and to take away their binky of lobby money to even see what was happening around them, let alone organize a resistance to it.
The blind greed and deliberate incompetence of Democrats makes them complicit.
You do realize that former president Trump was such a strong ally of Israel (since he let his zionist son-in-law run it) that they named a new settlement on stolen land after him, right? And that he’s never shown the least bit of interest in helping the Palestinians, right? And that his mid-east peace plan was normalization of relations between other Middle East states and Israel, right? Do you think Trump is going to take a stand against Israel if he gets elected? Honestly, what do you expect for him to do to the Palestinians? Send better bombs to kill them with? Stop pressuring Israel for a ceasefire or aid deliveries so that more Palestinians die from war or starvation? Please do share how you think Trump will end the genocide.
Not only all that, but also Trump has promised to deport pro-Palestinian protesters. Thinking he’s going to be the hero of Palestine is remarkably insane.
There’s no “exposing”, I’ve been pretty clear that my goal here is subverting the Democratic right-wing, that shouldn’t shock anyone.
Like, why are you acting like that’s some huge reveal? Yes, I’m anti-genocide, go ahead and label me, though I think your reliance on labels is kind of what got us all into this mess to begin with. It’s why you’re a Republican in any practical sense of the word.
Do you realize that if Trump becomes president again, his people have made absolutely no secret about their plans for seriously ramping up the ongoing trans genocide?
And now it’s your time to either downplay and/or deny that genocide or pretend it isn’t happening or that Trump won’t make it worse. Anything but actually admit there’s at least one kind of people whose genocide won’t bother you.
Americans do need to experience the reality of where neoliberal politics have brought us before they can be made willing to resist it.
You’ve got to understand, trans people are losing their rights right now already, they’ve been a struggling class of people for decades, the neolib public does not actually care. Sure, they’ll tokenize trans people and their struggles as a political cudgel, but in the end this election is about protecting the comfort of upper middle-class neoliberals, that’s why they demand people vote for a conservative – they themselves don’t want to experience the consequences of their lackluster politics, that’s for minorities, not for “normal Democrats”.
There’s no more kicking the fan down the road, no more “lesser of two evils”, you guys are going to need to admit what it takes to win elections or you get to go down with all the groups you’re standing on to keep your own head above water.
It actually is really simple, you’re right. Don’t fund genocide and you get my vote.
That’s literally all it takes at this point. I’ve been defeated on ever seeing functional healthcare and campaign finance reform and stuff. You guys won in that regard, its not gonna happen, you should be happy. All I’m saying is I can’t vote for a pro-genocide candidate, you know?
You’ve dragged me along to the right with you so far that that’s now my standard.
I’m gonna blow your mind here; I voted for Biden in 2020. Despite utterly despising neolibs and their coercive right-wing politics. I did what you demanded, voted for the lesser evil (once again) and got a genocide for it.
And if you had not voted, how would we be seeing different right now?
Do you really think a 3rd party would have won? Do you think Trump would have made any better decisions for anyone besides is rich donors? Would there be more or less genocide happening?
I know we will actually never know. We do know how to try and hypothesize though.
Until we make a change in our electoral system there is always going to be this Turd Sandwich vs. Douchebag problem. If Trump wins the next election there will be 0 chance of change or reform for the betterment of the people. Without Trump there is a slightly greater than 0.
You will probably not actually stop to consider any of these things, I and the other fine folks have mentioned, while setting your bias aside and evaluating your position. But maybe, someone else reading through the threads here Will stop and think about some of the things being brought up here.
Even with the insane ease of communication we have now with the internet, we cannot as a country of human people, set aside our biases and figure out how to coordinate to any degree to show a mass/collective message.
I have said for decades, if we all just say “Fuck This” and vote for 3rd parties instead of the 2 picked for us it would send a message to those parties about what we actually want AND show us the power our vote really has when apply ourselves. We would need people to actually register to vote and then Vote! The amount of the population that does is fucking laughable though, so I guess they feel it’s fine, and that’s their vote too.
This whole ‘You guys won’ take is nonsense. We have to work together or WE are all equally fucked.
I’m gonna blow your mind here
That is is not the smart ass revelation that you imagine it should be.
You voted for Biden in 2020 despite his history of supporting wars that kill innocent people. He voted in favor of the Iraq War in 2003. Biden supported the invasion of Afghanistan in 2001 and reasserted the need to stay there in 2002. If you actually cared about war time deaths of innocents that Biden affects, you never would’ve supported him in the first place.
Now, suddenly, a war not supported or instigated by Biden is what causes you to turn against him in an election where the other candidate is openly talking about murdering his opposition out of revenge?
You just hopped on a bandwagon, one that’s been flooded with adversarial political and foreign state sponsors.
I did what you demanded
You did it wrong. Make your own choices and support your own agency of thoughtfulness and objective consideration. Right now, your entire decision tree is quite obviously locked into a repeating loop. If you are relying on others to tell you how to vote, you lost your way before you ever learned the game.
Biden didn’t fund Hamas in Gaza; Biden didn’t direct Hamas to attack Israel; Biden didn’t order the IDF to respond with weapons of war; Biden hasn’t ordered or actively encouraged the Israelis to continue attacking Gaza and killing innocent people, families, and children.
The Israeli Government and their Military is who you should be railing on 24/7 for taking part in what is tantamount genocide of the Palestinians. I know you’re not actually reading most if any of this and I should probably just hit cancel move on, but you’re really leaning in and in the off chance something may spark, might as well try. Instead, you play right into propaganda intending to destabilize the US from within by sowing discontent in an election by putting blame of foreign military actions on an incumbent President trying to thread a needle of politics and diplomacy in an election year amid a foreign country’s genocidal actions against a foreign people.
Getting Trump re-elected may be the single most world-wide destabilizing event that could happen as a result of a strictly US political process. He already tried to dissolve NATO for Putin once.
You want to play politics like it’s 1v1 checkers when it’s really 14,356 games of Chess at the same time, on a timer.
No. But the fact that Joe Biden’s big selling point here is “I’ll theoretically fund genocide less than Trump” is not really a compelling distinction.
You’ve got to take a step back and look at what you’re supporting to really understand why Biden is struggling. Compare Biden’s position on Israel to, say, Ronald Reagan’s. Really kind of puts it into perspective that you’ve quite literally been made into a Republican in all but name. All using the same fear tactics every election cycle.
Well, we’ve reached the bottom of thr hill doing it your way, Democrats are literally paying to kill children now, how much further down were you guys saying we need to go before your magical “long term progress” kicks in?
The problem with this argument is this very article, which is also backed up by interviews with John Kelly, Bill Barr, and others. Everyone verifies that that Trump wanted to do all the crazy stuff from prosecuting Hillary to executing former members of his administration for speaking out against him, but they’d just delay until he’d get distracted and move on to something else. Again, these are people who eagerly signed up to work for Trump, and changed their mind based on their experience with him.
This next time around though, Trump will try to hire people who are more likely to be yes-men. What happens then?
He profited from the secret service (and by proxy, us) the whole time he was president when he made them pay full price to have rooms at his garbage resort in Florida.
He profited from the secret service (and by proxy, us) the whole time he was president when he made them pay full price to have rooms at his garbage resort in Florida.
I don’t think this is true. I thought he increased the standard rate and charged them that. So it was like, double price.
Quick edit: I just looked it up, it was allegedly 4-5 times the approved government hotel rate.
On the other hand, some of them just refuse to do any overtime or aim for promotion. It won’t get them any closer to their goals so why bother. It’s quiet quitting by default.
I’ve never understood “quiet quitting” as a term. When did just doing your job become something that needs a term? “Working adequately” seems more apt, but I can’t imagine the context that would be worthy of discussion outside an employee review.
So, one can conclude with mathematical certainty that while Hard work and Knowledge will get you close, and Attitude will get you there, it’s the bullshit and Ass kissing that will put you over the top!
Lolbruh. Yeah, I made the poor decision of getting a phd. At least it was in the hard sciences, so I learned some transferable skills. I BSd my way onto a high-paying career track. You gotta BS.
It’s about creating a negative connotation with doing your job, so you’ll either feel guilty about not doing more than your job, or feel anger at those who do more than you.
You know, keeping the plebes angry at each other so they don’t think too hard about the wealthy.
I can give you a real answer if you’re sincere, but this tends to disappear into downvote oblivion.
Quiet quitting is a sudden and noticeable shift, not in reduced performance, but engagement and morale. Increased negativity, pessimism, criticism, etc. It adversely affects team morale, often resulting in reduced performance of others. It’s more effective than you may think.
A good manager would address this with questions to better understand the sudden change in job satisfaction, and meet those concerns with change. Most seem to be complaining that they don’t have a reason to fire the team member, which is why you always read about “continuing to meet performance expectations.” If a manager told me the latter, I’d address it as a failure of their leadership skills.
I started quiet quitting after it came to light that the new hires with zero experience were being paid more than I was, someone who had been there for over a year, and already had 5 years of experience. I no longer give a shit about the company, because they made it clear they don’t give a shit about my contribution. If you want people to put in extra effort, you have to give them extra money. Once you cheat an employee, they’re not gonna get over it because of a pizza party. fucking pay them.
Ah, that makes sense. I’m in the military, and we have a similar thing for people who are either due to transfer or retire in the next couple months: FIIGMO. It means “Fuck it, I’ve got my orders.” (For clarification, orders in this context are travel/Primary Change of Station/Retirement Orders, a written and signed document saying they’ll be leaving)
It seems like a weirdly deliberate term for something that has been around forever and typically just attributed to low morale. It makes it seem like a person unhappy at work but just doing their job is somehow sticking it to their boss/company. I’ve dealt with a lot of people like that, both as a peer and a supervisor, and it was never them doing anything intentionally, just being unhappy (and most of the time it had nothing to do with the pay or conditions, just not being suited to the job or general attitude toward life). They could often be a blight on morale, though, so I see how it could be frustrating for supervisors (and peers, they made work miserable for everyone).
You’re either lying or you’re simply misimformed. You didn’t mention staying late and doing extra work, which is what most people have meant when using that term to denigrate workers that do their job well but leave immediately after work is completed.
Quiet quitting is just middle management’s manipulative language for people doing their jobs adequately but then not putting in a bunch of unpaid extra effort. When there is no incentive to go above and beyond, why should anyone? It is the job of management to create those incentives, but if they are unwilling to pay for that, complaining about people’s work ethic to try to guilt them into doing unpaid work is their next strategy. It isn’t very effective.
Just a reminder that this murderer killed a libertarian active duty army Sargent veteran airman that saw police violence as wrong. Abbott is celebrating the murder of a soldier killed at home.
Edit: I incorrectly identified Garrett Foster’s honorable service.
I think you have the facts slightly wrong. According to wikipedia Daniel Perry, the man being pardoned, was at the time an active duty army sergeant. Garrett Foster, who he murdered, was an Air Force veteran.
If I’ve learned anything after coming back to the south south (for some dumb reason) if you find yourself agreeing with the state you’re definitely the baddy, with ☠️ and all.
So, first you relativise what counts as cruel and unusual punishment, then you demonize the person. That is the road to atrocities. Why do you want to go there?
This is because we can be of two minds about these things. You can have a personal response to heinous acts, but still think the government ought to be better.
If some guy murders the murderer of their kid, I can absolutely 100% understand why, and I could even admit that I might do the same in their position. But I still think that as a society we should not lower ourselves to this standard and I will always be against the death penalty (especially because the system will never be perfect and I will never think it’s worth killing even one innocent person by accident).
It’s why vigilante justice is so easily understood, but it’s still something we, as a society, shouldn’t accept.
Emotional reactions can cloud our minds to these things. But I absolutely agree with you. This is horrendous and barbarous. I can still somewhat understand the “he deserves it for what he did”-response, but I’m absolutely against this on a deeper level.
I don’t think it’s about having “Two minds” about it, for as you describe it doesn’t seem to fit the op, as he admitted that he wanted the state to do it.
Imo, this is about abstraction vs reality. In theory something might sound good, but when you are actually faced with the reality of it, it’s a huge turnoff.
I’m reminded of the reddit story where a guy got into scat porn. It became a fetish so he hired a prostitute to shit in his mouth. On the day of the deed, once the shit hit his mouth, as he described it, he was “just a guy on the floor with shit in his mouth.”
Exactly right! I think we’re actually agreed on this.
I just meant that OP used to say they ought to do it, which was his ‘emotional’ response to it, which is easier when it’s in abstract. But in reality he doesn’t like it at all when his government actually does it.
I’d never heard about that reddit story, but I think it’s very apt, lol.
Any punishment with no possibility of back pedaling should never be given. The chances of permanently harming a potentially innocent person are far too great.
Yeah he did, don’t get me wrong this guy should go to jail. But imagine for a second he (or anyone else for that matter) was not actually guilty, and got convicted on a technicality or a judiciary error.
You would mutilate or kill someone and then absolve them of the crime if ever found out they were innocent, oh no you can’t, because what happened is utterly irreversible. I mean, it’s not like it ever happened before right?
There is no imagine “he” was innocent. There becomes a point where evidence is overwhelming and WITHOUT a doubt. I can tell you right now, IF this guy raped you/your wife/your child, you wouldn’t feel sorry for him. Would you be ok with a PROVEN rapist living next door to you? If you rape someone, you know what you’re doing is wrong, you did it anyways. This says “I can’t control myself”, that individual is not ever going to fit in to society. I can’t fathom how anyone can say they can. It’s not like you got mad and got into a fist fight with someone and accidentally killed someone. This dude was RAPING A 14 year old. She will suffer the rest of her life for this.
The castration part everyone is getting upset over isn’t even real. He gets it a week before he’s released… At well over 100 years old. He’s not going to care since he’ll be dead and on the miraculous chance he’s not, he won’t know or care.
We aren’t talking about him specifically. We are talking about every single person who is charged with this crime ever, at least one of which will be innocent.
The exercise of law shouldn’t involve emotion, there is a reason why mob justice shouldn’t be a thing.
Of course I would be upset and want the guy dead, mutilated or whatever if it involved someone close to me.
But that’s the thing, dude’s a monster, he should go to jail, and get psychiatric help and be rehabilitated to the best of his capability. If he’s never safe enough to be a free man ever again that’s fine, but in no way he should be killed or mutilated by the state.
But the point isn’t about him specifically, if he gets such a sentence, it sets a precedent that a sentence like this is acceptable for a given crime. And that’s unacceptable on many levels, a state should never have the power to kill or mutilate a person, for any reason, ever.
You can get out of jail, you cannot grow your balls back or be not dead. Jail damages society because of the way it’s implemented, that’s a political choice, but that’s another argument.
Yeah, I agree with that too. There’s a reason they call it “con college”. Nobody wants to hire an ex-con, so a lot of people commit further crimes. And when you are in jail or prison, it’s pretty hard to take care of everyday stuff like your house, car, finances, etc., so who knows what state they’ll be in, or even if they’ll still be there.
Most likely this particular guy will never live to see it done. So the particulars of this case are moot.
I changed my mind about execution some 25 years ago, and while there there have been many people executed since then that I won’t defend or feel bad about dying, I still don’t think it’s right for the state to execute prisoners.
Same thing here. What this guy did was horrible. I wouldn’t even disagree that he deserves castration. But I still feel it’s not right to actually do it to anyone. It’s a dichotomy I’m confronting right now. There is what the guy deserves and then there’s a separate consideration of what justice I think is appropriate to mete out. And I thought those were one in the same, but it turns out they aren’t.
I’m usually on that side of the discussion, too, but this case doesn’t leave much room for the guy to be innocent. Beyond the “pleading guilty” part, which is sometimes done strategically, he’s the biological father of the kid a 14yo got. There is no shot at this being a mistake at this point.
I still agree though; if this should exist, it must require even stricter than the usual “beyond reasonable doubt” conditions or something.
Yeah I get wanting it, but I don’t want a government that can do it. I also don’t think a reasonable interpretation of the bill of rights allows it. How is removing body parts not cruel and unusual punishment?
I suspect your downvotes might be from folks misunderstanding originalism.
“a legal philosophy that the words in documents and especially the U.S. Constitution should be interpreted as they were understood at the time they were written”
It’s like religion stating everything we ever needed to know was written thousands of years ago and we should just apply it like we were living in those times.
Barrett is a self-proclaimed originalist, embracing a theory of the Constitution that is also shared by at least two other sitting justices: Justices Clarence Thomas and Neil Gorsuch.
Religion and guns. It’s impossible to have any reasonable discussion with someone who thinks laws written in musket times should be enshrined forever. Originalists conveniently forget that the amendment process exists for an reason and absolutely hold us back.
I’m just going to point this out - at the time the 2nd amendment was written revolvers existed, as were weapons that would be the earliest forms of what are now automatic weapons, there was even a relatively quiet rifle that could fire 22 shots per reload. Honestly, right around then was a time of massive innovation in the firearms space, with a lot of ideas and designs not getting much traction for various reasons.
These were “musket times” not because muskets were the best guns out there, but because muskets were cheap and easy to produce and literally any gunsmith worth the title could produce and repair them easily. Making them cheap to deploy for a military and also the most common gun for a citizen-soldier. Those other guns had limited manufacturing, required specialized knowledge to fix and maintain, or were expensive enough that they weren’t common. That last one I mentioned (the Girardoni air rifle) was notable for being carried by the Lewis and Clark expedition in 1803 (it didn’t see a lot of military use because they were expensive and also required specialized parts and knowledge to maintain - ten men with muskets is a better use of military spending than one guy with a Girardoni).
Claiming that any firearm more sophisticated than a musket was so far beyond belief that the authors of the 2nd amendment couldn’t possibly have imagined it and therefore they shouldn’t be counted as “arms” is ridiculous. And also the argument you could use to claim the 1st amendment shouldn’t apply to anything other than in person speech or print works, not film or TV or radio or the internet because those are light-years farther outside the realm of things the authors of the 1st Amendment could have imagined than a rifle that can hold and fire 30 rounds.
should be enshrined forever.
No one says laws should be enshrined forever, there’s a process for changing or revoking them. For regular legislation, passing further legislation is all that’s needed. For the constitution, there’s an amendment process baked into it that has been used several times and even originalists accept that those amendments were valid, they just assume that the words used mean what they meant when the amendment was written, not what they might mean today if there’s a difference.
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