Rick Moranis hasn’t been famous in decades. And given that he was attacked from behind, its unlikely the attacker knew him. Just some guy lashing out randomly for who even knows what reason.
I wonder how often this must happen to non-famous people that don’t make the news too.
NYC has one of the highest police budget’s per-capita in the world and Manhattan is one of the most densely surveilled places in the country. I have to assume if cops are too busy crushing candy on their phones, this sort of thing is regular and they don’t give a shit.
Well the New York City metropolitan area has nearly the same population as the nation of Australia so it’s not entirely surprising. NYC alone is approaching 1/3rd of Australia’s population and the US is damn near a police state so yeah
Hopefully it brings consequences. Every time a bullet is fired, it is required (and I guess that must be in quotes for police officers…) that you be responsible for that bullet’s consequences. If you shoot at a legitimate threat, but hit the bystander, you should get charged. Cop, not-cop, firefighter, good samaritan with a gun, whatever. Charge them.
In America, automatically sue them civilly by the State for lost wages, mercenary healthcare costs, any permanent impairment risks; everything.
Your “good Samaritan with a gun” (read: dude who failed his cop exam for reasons) needs to get some insurance or his life will get very different if he maims someone with his civilian-level firearms training.
Fuck it. Charge the vigilantes with a crime if they even draw their firearm (manacing) or fire it (noise/assault/threatening/attempted murder) so they Get It.
Lived next door to a cop, and down the street from another while growing up.
My dad, who only went with his father, trained more often and more rigorously then they did. How do I know? Cops talk a lotta shit, and their kids are sick of fascism already. This was only up until like 6th grade even.
Cop down the street was known for beating his wife, and was probably dirty as hell with the drive by attempt. Thankfully none of the kids were hurt. No one else was either, but even then I wouldn’t have shed a tear for a pig.
In many jurisdictions if anyone is hurt related to a crime, the criminal is legally responsible for all damages.
So for a situation like this, the criminal would be responsible for all damages stemming from their initial crime when they chose to run. Any damage in the chase or subsequent actions until they are killed or in custody.
Yes, and that should be the case. However, cops (and everyone for that matter) should be responsible for every shot they fire. They should make sure their background is clear. If some freak accident happens, like a ricochet that shouldn’t be expected, then it should be fine, but they should have to make an attempt to be safe with firearms. You know a civilian would have to.
I haven’t really heard of that being abused. They have easier ways to do that. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s abused, but if you start a car chase you should be responsible for what happens with it, for example. I guess I can see the potential for abuse, but also I think it’s necessary to have.
I’m sure it will. The cops will be put on paid leave and then given medals. Something like that. That’s what usually happens when cops kill innocent people.
The only thing that will stop a bad sovereign citizen with a gun is a good sovereign citizen with a gun.
A pity that there are no sovereign citizens that should ever be trusted with anything as dangerous as a pair of arts and crafts scissors for kindergarteners
I don’t think you can advocate for universal mental health care without universal health care. Mental health care is health care.
There’s a reason where I am that a mental health clinician is part of the cancer team. Having just the therapy aspect covered would do nothing for people unable to treat their physical illnesses.
Promoting better accessibility of mental health care is reasonable- even places with universal coverage mental health lags behind. The tricky thing is that some people will refuse to access care even if its available. Its more visible in cases like this but happens all the time with other chronic illnesses like COPD and diabetes where it gets out of control and the person succumbs quietly.
I don’t know where I’m going with this. I wish he had sought help and I wish that help was available. I’m glad no one else lost their lives in this case.
I dunno, I kind of remain pretty skeptical of that being the case. For just as much as I’ve seen that mental health concerns are getting de-stigmatized, I’ve, in almost equal measure, seen all manner of people throwing around terms with absolutely no meaning, taking identification in certain terms without really understanding or elaborating a clear case for their use. I’ve also seen just as many people call, say, someone who sets themselves on fire “insane”, and effectively use various mental health stuff as a thought-terminating cliche, as a kind of offhanded dismissal of anything that makes them feel bad, or they don’t like. Just mechanisms by which they can slot people into boxes and promptly file them away to be forgotten.
So I dunno, I beware the idea that it’s just gonna get swept up, like everything else, into like, middle class liberal self-help bullshit.
I would give your comment passing marks if the prompt were to give a general sense of smug disagreement without saying anything with actual content. Also, I get the distinct impression that you don’t know what the word “patronizing” means.
Telling someone their problems aren’t real and it’s just mental health is a textbook example of patronizing them
Sure, but no one said that the problems weren’t real, and no one’s being as reductionist as you seem to think.
My criticism was there to highlight how patronizing you are being while simultaneously illustrating that no one else here was. To be more specific, you’re assuming a lot about everyone else’s positions and giving the most surface-level explanations you possibly could.
Sure, but no one said that the problems weren’t real
Derailing the conversation to mental health instead of what this person’s specific problems were has the same effect.
Yeah. I’m patronizing to those who are duped into wasting money on things that don’t solve problems. I’m assuming you’re in that camp which is why you’re “criticizing” me.
My read on this is that you think access to mental Healthcare doesn’t solve any problems. Am I mistaken, and if not why do you think that?
Also, what problem(s) did the self-immolator have that you think needs to be addressed so badly that it needs to be talked about to the exclusion of all else? After all, if you’re so irritated about what people not talking about them, why not bring them up explicitly?
Telling someone their problems aren’t real and it’s just mental health is a textbook example of patronizing them.
Tell me you know nothing about mental health without telling me you know nothing about mental health.
Mental health problems are absolutely 100% real. It’s not “in your head”. Depression isn’t something you can just walk off. Panic attacks aren’t something you can fix by taking a sick day.
To imply that “mental health = not real” is not only destructive, but also incredibly insulting.
A firefighting low-power 40mm grenade would actually be a dope idea, though I don’t know how effective it would be. There’s been attempts at similar “grenade” type extinguishers you toss.
My highdea is a firetruck that has cans of compressed nitrogen, and a firehose of sorts that’s got some resistive heating elements lining all the inside of it (that can be turned on or off). Then it just dumps out nitrogen at a huge CFM/PSI/whatever, displacing the oxygen quickly enough to blow out the fire, but not long enough to suffocate the immolator.
Basically a huge, super powered hand dryer. That chokes the fire. And a 50/50 shot as to whether it’s nice and warm or freezing fucking cold.
While I do think that we do need universal mental health care (and universal health care in general), I’m not sure it would have helped in this situation. The thing about mental health care is that you can’t force it on anyone, they have to want it themselves. He had friends who tried to get him help but he wouldn’t take it, and there’s only so much that can be done if he refuses. It’s like the old saying you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink.
They’ve already decided that it’s impossible for Biden to win. Therefore if he does, that means the election was “stolen”. Tucker Carlson a month ago in his video about the state of the Union address, skip to 11:30: youtu.be/f72Tc-iXc4A
We have to take back that wealth. Right this is the reason why we have not the lifes we deserve. That are the funds that were siphoned off from our society. The people created this worth. Not some guys at the top.
Correct. This is the stolen education of our future generations. This is the stolen lunch’s of our children. When does America wake up? I guess it takes physically seeing it happen. We are gonna be so down trodden before someone steps up it seems.
I strongly agree with both points, but it should be noted she was making almost 75k as a teacher according to the article which is definitely on the high end for Ohio teachers
was also a cheerleading coach and yearbook adviser with a salary of $74,720 at the time she resigned.
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Reading more into the article, she's been teaching for 30 years. 75K for that sort of experience is ridiculous
But the average cop is above average in intelligence. Probabilistically, when someone says cops are unintelligent, that person is even less intelligent than a glorified Pinkerton.
Right??? I mean the options are to pay teachers according to the importance of the job which I feel like everyone agrees is high. Or, don’t be surprised when teachers are pulling side gigs. Like pick a lane. Don’t shame the side gig if you can’t pay what the primary position is worth. I’ve been making far more than this teacher for the past 20 years and my job ain’t even close to as important as hers. Not even in the same ballpark.
Not to mention, his age is statistically unlikely to be related to his mortality, considering his disgustingly unhealthy lifestyle and diet. It’s a wonder that shitbag hasn’t already sprung an irreparable leak. 🤮☠️👀
better a progressive republican that an extremist republican, and those are your choices. reality sucks; deal with it or be prepared for the consequences
You know things are bad, when both sides of US politics rely on desinformation and populist narratives.
Biden is 81 years old and regularly showed in public appearances that he is mentally declining. Trump shows the same.
The fact that both sides of the two party system band together to claim that the age and mental state of their candidates should not be a clear reason to exclude both canidates is insane to look at from the outside. How can the US still delude itself into being anything but a nuclearly armed corrupt oligarchy, when these two candidates is the “best” the nation has to offer? How can you still delude yourself into believing that this is not the result of an oligarchy that will never allow a candidate to actually bring the economic change necessary to protect the poor people and make the rich people contribute fairly to society?
One party is rapeing you from the front and the other party is rapeing you from behind and you argue about which way around it is better instead of seeing to end getting fucked over.
Which is indicative, or rather painfully obvious shoving it into peoples faces, that the US political system is systemically broken and needs systemic reforms.
But instead of growing past “your team vs my team” people cheer on the further decline that makes them suffer.
If the US would just bring demise to itself i wouldn’t mind, but since it is causing pain and suffering all over the world it needs to be adressed.
Didn’t they give him a 99 year lease on a Manhattan building? I remember reading something about a $2 billion dollar value between nepo baby and the Saudis…
They do this fun thing in the US for that its called “fucking shoot you”. I agree its all fucked up, but if you go an riot and respond with violence you just die dude. I don’t want somebody else raising my children because I got shot by the sheriffs patrol
if you can’t organize well enough to handle a local sheriff’s department, you’re pathetic. give me 5 well-armed and coordinated individuals and i’ll show you how to make the bastards scared of us.
EDIT: Lemmy is full of little bitch cowards and i’m not going to lose any sleep over the dystopia you limp-wristed fucks inherit.
Violence isn’t a way to solve this problem, it would only justify the use of force which the police/military are most willing to do. Fascism develops faster in the face of violence as a way to justify itself.
I’m giggling at the idea of anyone rioting at this woman’s trial over skimming free gas and charging her friends for it. It’d be this one dude running around punching the air and screaming something about our corporate overlords.
No, this isn’t a loophole. She found a way to put the pump into maintence mode and set the price to zero. “The computer let me do it” isn’t much of an excuse. The self checkout at the grocery store lets me tare a steak like it’s bananas, but I’d definitely expect shopplifting charges if I got caught tricking the machine to charge me $0.40/lb for steak so I could fill my bag with steaks. There would be plenty of evidence that what I did was intentional and dishonest.
She exploited this glitch for $28k worth of gas in just 7 months, presumably for profit. That’s way more gas than a single vehicle would consume in that time.
This wasn’t a case of just paying what the screen said she owed. This was a case of gaining unauthorized access to the computer and adjusting the price to zero so she could steal at scale.
Very well. Please clear up the misunderstanding and say the words “the bailouts should never have happened and everyone involved in that disaster should have faced felony charges”
I’m not, it sounds like we are in agreement that she committed a serious crime. It’s a shame that the Wall Street types get away with it, but you seem fine with that?
Not “presumably for profit”, definitely for profit. The article mentions one person that paid her $500 for about $700 worth of fuel in that 6 months because she was told it was a discount card. She was literally charging other people for the gas directly. And 7400 gallons of gas in 6 months, that’s well over 100k miles with a low ball estimate for fuel economy. She probably pocketed nearly 20k cash in that time.
She got greedy. Back when a buddy and I administered our SWIFT platform there were a couple of well publicized exploits of the system for millions. We discussed how easy it would be to write a script to randomly skim a fraction of a cent off of transactions over a long period of time, just don’t get greedy. No one cares about rounding errors.
If this lady stuck to random fillups for free once every couple of months she probably could have flew under the radar for years and more importantly had a better claim to ignorance if caught.
At first I was with you but I was curious how she used $28,000 worth of gas and I’m kinda not with you anymore. I mean, has is expensive but let’s be realistic, no poor person is buying a year’s wages on gas over 6 months lol
“All told, the card was used 510 times, and more than 7,400 gallons of gas were pumped for free, the probable cause statement said.” The article also says she was letting other people pay her to use her card to get gas - so the gas pumped out free and they paid her a portion of what the gas would have been if they had paid the actual pump. That’s actually not the kind of thing I can really defend as just putting the poor people down.
They didn’t arrest her. The cops did. If she didn’t want to be arrested, she probably shouldn’t have stolen tens of thousands of dollars worth of gas. She’s a thief, plain and simple. We can rail against a justice system that allows the rich to get away with crimes, while also recognizing that this woman is just a thief and there is no need to defend her.
While you’re right, also still sounds like schemes rich business leaders get a wag of a finger over. So it’s not so much about it being too harsh on her, but instead how malicious rich person schemes earn too much leniency.
This is what I thought at first too. But after thinking about it more, it kind of falls into cybercrime. I can imagine hearing something like this on darknet diaries.
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