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Honestly, the French can go suck a baguette. The fact that something like this can be done for internet speech is just ridiculous, and I don’t even like either Rowling nor Musk.
So we all agree there are exceptions to freedom of speech, like the proverbial person shouting “Fire!” in a crowded theater, right? But you think incitement to violence is fine as long as you say it with a tweet instead of with your mouth? What a loophole!
Huh, I had always heard it as “turbulent priest,” but as I look it up, I realize there would obviously be multiple valid translations, cause Henry said it in French.
It IS important to stop fascist speech because fascist speech is fascist recruitment. That is why anti will fight to deny any fascist a platform.
I recently read a book about anti-fascism What Is Fascism? An Excerpt From “Fascism Today: What It Is and How to End It” | Truthout and it’s very enlightening to read the theory. Highly recommend. These folks have battled fascism for a 100 years and laws and governments are rarely any help. There is “liberal antifa” and for example sued the KKK out of existence and it includes using laws to sue fascists like Rowlings and Musk.
Otherwise there are only the streets.
So how should a civilized society deal with vile speech amplified and magnified that works to bringing and end to civilized society?
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All big airliners that are left ( the big four, basically)
Boeing
All large ISP’s
Any company that has more that 30% of the market share
All companies that are in a market that only has 3 or less suppliers
All insurers
All companies with more than 10.000 employees I can go on for a while.
All companies that pay less than 25% tax, for whatever fucking reason.
All companies whose owners pay less tax than their lowest paid workers
All companies that received more than a million dollar in government funds yet completely and utterly failed to meet any of the required targets for that money (Hello SpaceX and just about every Musk company!)
I’m all for capitalism, but not the current near limitless capitalism
I’m all for capitalism, but not the current near limitless capitalism
That’s just capitalism. Capital is power and if you allow people to be more powerful than others, they will use that power to amass more power. There never was and never will be limitless capitalism because we live in a finite world but there will be limitless suffering for the sake of profit.
Idk, I think the original guy has a point. Small and medium businesses generally work really well in western economies, it’s the megacorps and monopolies that fuck all the shit up. When he says limitless capitalism he probably means unregulated late stage capitalism and if that’s the interpretation then basically like, break up all companies with over 1000 employees or whatever. Mom and pop businesses are a great feature of our economic model, but they can’t thrive while walmarts are around.
Idk, I think the original guy has a point. Small and medium businesses generally work really well in western economies, it’s the megacorps and monopolies that fuck all the shit up
Basically all megacorps and monopolies started as small and medium businesses. And I’m not against small and medium businesses but that whoever has money owns said businesses. Capitalism is the idea that the workers don’t own the business they work at but someone who’s never worked there does. Capitalism is the driving force that makes small and medium businesses into megacorps.
Exactly that. Hier taxes the more you earn up to 100%. Limit company sizes in net worth and employee count. Its better to have 100 medium sized companies with 100 employees than 10 large companies with 1000 or (shiver) 1 mega company with 10.000 employees.
I mean capitalism is good as long as you have strong laws against monopolies, oligopolies, higher taxes the richer you get up to 100% at a certain income point. Don’t allow ownership of 100 houses for anyone (or any company), limit the maximum size of companies in value and employees, that sort of thing…
Oh yeah, and communism famously was never abusive to other countries. The USSR never never ever abused anyone inside and outside, same as China, they would neeeeever!
This is some peak capitalist realism. Never once did I say that communism was the solution, I provided no solutions at all actually, and I simply pointed out the flaws in capitalism but you know so little about economic systems to go to communism.
Can’t do any more mental gymnastics to defend capitalism so you go to fear of another system not even discussed. You and I are not immune to propaganda and if you believe in democracy then why would your workplace not be democratic? The manufacturers never would have voted to move their jobs to China during the late 20th century. The capitalists did it. Walmart was a small family business and now it’s the largest employer in the US and half of it is owned by people born into a specific family like a monarchy.
I get that you support Keynesian economics but this was before globalism and you can’t rely on a government to fight capitalism in places it doesn’t govern.
Where is the racism, buddy? I’m pretty sure I never once mentioned races here.
I did mention repressive regimes like the Chinese and Russian governments, where you better watch your mouth, lest you might trip near a high rise window
She could avoid all this unpleasantness by fucking off for good instead of clinging onto relevance. She deserves worse, but I absolutely love this banner.
Here’s another controversial take. We did something like that before, where we excluded a group of people from society because we didn’t like them. In the US we called it “Separate but Equal” and “Jim Crow”. I think it was called Apartheid in South Africa. Now I understand you aren’t suggesting we segregate people based on their race but rather their past convictions but it is similar and will have a similar outcome. Though you may want to limit it to a specific type of crime I will guarantee that it will expand to encompass more crimes and more people will be convicted of those crimes so that they can be excluded from society as well. Even here in the US there are some Republicans talking about adding teachers to the sex offender list if they talk about the wrong topic to their students.
You’re right it will be abused. I would like to say, in no way was I advocating for anything. I personally feel that once a person has completed their sentence they should be done. Period. Pedos disgust me but if they’re done with their sentence that’s it. They’re done.
You are seriously comparing punishing pedophiles to Jim Crow laws? Are you really comparing the abuse and mistreatment of black people to the punishment of pedophiles? Do you have any idea how that makes you sound?
Now I understand you aren’t suggesting we segregate people based on their race but rather their past convictions but it is similar and will have a similar outcome.
I was pretty clear on what I said. Segregation is bad no matter your excuse. If they did their time in prison then they return to society. If you don’t like how much time they served then argue for a longer sentence without it being cruel and unusual punishment. Further excluding them from society after their sentence is up does no good except make some people feel better. Why not do that for all crimes from the terrible ones like murder and manslaughter to DUIs and fraud. Kick everyone out of society so we can have only people with clean records. But since you came to my reply with your outrage why don’t you elaborate on why you are upset. What problems do you have with what I said?
You can argue rehab vs punishment, but what you are being downvoted for, correctly in my view, is for comparing people who were convicted for crimes according to law directly with people who never did anything wrong in first place.
You may say that everyone who finished serving a sentence is equal to anyone else before the law, but that may not be the case in practice, there are lots of legitimate reasons for people to stigmatize e.g. if they personally don’t agree with the sentencing length.
That may or may not be fair, but it is what it is.
Stigmatizing someone just because of the way they look is just wrong, people may have tastes in who they want to hang out with, but it is not equivalent to naturally fearing an ex-convict.
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