Most of the people I know who are looking to move back to the Bay Area or Portland/Seattle are doing to because of the political climate, not the weather. A lot of people were pushed to move by their jobs, or elected to move because they saw a cost of living benefit. They figured they could do the blue city in a red state thing. With people like Abbott in charge, that’s no longer going to be a viable option.
With people like Abbott in charge, that’s no longer going to be a viable option.
How so? Isn’t the average tech worker’s salary sufficient to pay for personal remedies to most statewide conservative laws? For example, someone earning six figures would have no trouble quickly and quietly traveling to another state for an abortion.
I don’t know anyone in Austin but I do have liberal tech worker friends in DeSantis’s Florida and while they’re opposed to his policies, they aren’t personally affected by those policies in any serious way.
tell me you don't understand, at the fundamental level, what it means to be a liberal and care for others, which makes you a liberal in the first place
By leaving Texas, you make sure your tax money isn’t going to their government. Leaving also prevents them from being able to prop up their image with stats about GDP per capita. Better to live somewhere that your taxes will help others rather than paying for the things Texas wants to spend money on. Operation lone star costs Texas 2 billion per year. That’s the equivalent of k-12 schooling for 200,000 students. Operation lone star uses national guard troops under state control, who legally cannot enforce immigration law, which is federal. It’s all just a colossal waste of money for a political show. I’d rather the money go to schools or healthcare
I think we care for others because it is rational to do so. If you are nice to person x, they are more likely to be nice to you. By making this into a pattern, you can maintain a healthy and productive inner circle that helps you achieve your goals in life, whatever those goals are. This is how healthy communities are grown, and why certain people don’t even realize they can exist.
So, we’re not liberal because we care. We care because we’re liberal. We’re liberal because that’s actually the most beneficial way to be, for us personally. It benefits us personally, in a way that is consistent with cold, hard, logic, analyzed after we have killed the input of our feelings and emotions.
Otherwise liberalism wouldn’t even exist, because it’s difficult. Why do the difficult thing, if it’s not any better?
This is similar to a situation I’m in. Does it affect me personally? No. You’re right I can find ways around it easily enough, I have the money. But I hate the fact I’m seeing it happen to those around me. I’ve lived my whole life in Texas and was hoping this wave could help tip the scales to have the government start providing better for its people, but sadly things are way too rigged to make an impact.
I make decent money and live in Texas. My wife is currently pregnant and the state’s policies on maternal care during pregnancy scares the shit out of me. In the case of a medical emergency money doesn’t buy time.
The education policies being pushed by the state government are also terrible and private schools are not really any better in that regard. We could homeschool but I am not interested in that for my child.
The general rhetoric demonizing and taking the basic human rights of immigrants, LGBT, and other marginalized communities is also really hard to hear.
Several mass shootings as schools and public places with no interest in taking any kind of preventative actions is disgusting.
The property taxes have become a significant burden on our housing price with no sign of that changing anytime soon.
The state government is opernly corrupt and hostile to anyone who is not a Republican and quietly hostile to the Republicans who aren’t high income, powerful, or political donors. Look at our power grid and the states actions after the freeze.
Money can’t buy your way out if any of these. We stay because our families live nearby and we want our kids to grow up around them. If I could convince them to move with us, I would leave in a second despite living here for the last 30 years.
Those are good points. I suppose issues involving children are the biggest concerns. I tend not to think about them much because I don’t have children, but my friends in Florida do. They seem content with the quality of their local schools but I can see how school quality could vary wildly.
A couple years back, an old undergrad buddy was bragging about how he and his wife were moving to Florida because their teachers paid well. Obviously we had a lot of “what the fuck?” conversations behind their back, and a buddy’s wife put it best:
Anyone living in one of the hellhole states (mostly Texas and Florida) and saying “oh, its fine, this doesn’t affect me” is a republican or actively does not give a shit about their partner and family.
And if people somehow don’t have a single non-cisgender white male in their life? Well… what was that old jeff foxworthy joke again?
We had considered moving from our high cost of living area to a cheaper state but ultimately didn’t because of our young kids. We’re squeezed pretty hard here and we could all live very comfortably on my salary in another state. But I couldn’t find a place with remotely acceptable schools. And who would our kids friends be? Very worried about the influence of their peers, raised by racist homophonic garbage.
And beyond maternal care, healthcare in most “affordable” states is just bad. We have the best healthcare system in the country where we’re at. What if we move to a state in the bottom third of the country and one of us got sick? The healthcare stories from rural America are very chilling.
And then once the kids grow up, what do they do then? No jobs, no decent higher education, lots of heroin, etc. Their options will likely be leave or fail unless something dramatically changes in the next decade. This might not really apply to Texas or the southwest but I’m on the east coast.
I’ve spent a total of 45 years in Midwest suburbs and 5 years in NoVa. I did not like healthcare in the big city. You have to go in and pretty well know what is wrong and what you want them to do about it. If you’re just feeling off with a bunch of random symptoms, they don’t have time to listen to all of that bullshit in the city.
I’m honestly much happier with healthcare here. I’ve never felt my doctor rushing me out the door the way I did on the East Coast. I had to go into the hospital in Orlando with the worst headache and sweating I’ve ever had (and that’s saying something because I suffer from constant migraines) and I sat in the waiting room for about 8 hours before I left to go suffer and/or die in peace and quiet.
All I’m really saying is healthcare is a lot more nuanced than rural vs. urban.
Jobs? I don’t know. The pay is less here but so is the standard of living. Other than being a tech worker in silicon valley, I’m not really sure what is missing here. I guess maybe the jobs skew more toward blue collar than banking and legal and stuff, but I’ve been a white collar working almost my whole life here in the Midwest (as a programmer working with banks and courts as well as industry and retail) - there is certainly no shortage of such jobs I can see. I suppose there are fewer employers, so it’s harder here to tell your employer to get fucked and you’ll go work for someone else, but just look for the job first and then tell them to get fucked and you’re fine.
MSU and UofM are both pretty good schools, though I’ll concede they aren’t ivy league.
I can’t speak to heroin here because I’m pretty far removed from the drug scene - that seemed a much bigger problem in NoVA than here, but I’m sure there is plenty of meth in the rural areas, but from what I can tell the suburbs are mostly legal pot and probably cocaine (just judging from the billboards I see).
I’m not trying to argue with you, just offer a different perspective. I couldn’t handle the crush of people and ultimately that’s why I left, but I also learned how much I missed from where I grew up.
It’s becoming more and more difficult to keep female, LGBTQ+, or those with children who fall into those categories, in state. I own a tech company with headquarters in Austin and a presence in Florida, California, Virginia and Wyoming. Time and again our candidates ask if they’d have to move to Texas or Florida. They bring up their concern about the political climate, accessibility to healthcare (subtext being gender reassigning care or reproductive care). We are 100% work from home if you choose but have workspaces in certain locations accessible to our staff.
It used to be that most candidates couldn’t wait to move to Austin or Orlando, now many e concerned if they’d have to leave their blue state. Austin is an amazing city and I highly recommend it, especially if you are young and are looking to build a close network that’ll last you a lifetime. The Austin tech industry is smaller but it also maintains a small town vibe. After a while, you won’t only know people across multiple companies, you’ll actually properly know those people beyond casual acquaintance.
PS: I know a lot of tech C level execs in Austin. If you’re a young woman considering Austin but concerned about access to abortion, bring it up during the interview process. A lot of companies are offering benefits like discreet transportation and lodging with a suspiciously large per diem to cities in blue states. Some extend those benefits to “significant others” and your children. Don’t expect these benefits to be advertised, just ask.
PPS: If you live in Texas or Florida, vote Democrat regardless of whether or not you agree with all of their policies. The Republican agenda is going to destroy the economies of those states.
Also, tangentially related to politics, infrastructure in Texas seems precarious. There are no politicians holding the private companies that run the power grid responsible. People have died because of the cold and the heat in Texas due to infrastructure issues and no politicians and pushing for a solution. It looks like things will simple become worse. This affects everyone in Texas.
Isn’t the average tech worker’s salary sufficient to pay for personal remedies to most statewide conservative laws?
Ah yeah a extremely hostile red state that pulls back LGBT laws, passes racist laws, and cops run amuck? Watch my taxes go to build a police militia to stop some invisible enemy, while some poor families live in a van and are harassed? Walking by places that treat my family like criminals because we are brown.
You do realize they want to stop people at the border now to prevent them from traveling for abortions right? We're probably like 6 months away from sitting up some Road checkpoint on harassing people. Plus you've also got transgender healthcare that is becoming increasingly illegal even for adults, never trust this protect the kids bullshit it's never true. So that means you'd have to fly out to California not just for a possibly once in a lifetime abortion but for a monthly prescription refill, and on and on and on. Also the power grid isn't even reliable in Texas
Yeah, smells like the famous last straw, the drop that overflows the bucket. Maybe they were generally cross, or the action was emblematic of the real issues. We don't know for sure, but there is likely more than just people stabbing over sauce.
Reminds me of those two Russian guys in the antarctic research station. One wound up stabbing the other because he kept spoiling the ending for every book he tried to read. I gotta wonder what the book count was. Like, 5 or less that seems unreasonable, but once you hit like 15-20 books ruined, that seems like valid response.
I honestly think that it can be explained by them being 16. At that age you’re a hormonal nightmare person whose brain is particularly underdeveloped when it comes to executive function. It wasnt just about the sauce but I get the feeling that if you were to ask it would end up being some vague, ill-defined thing like “she been disrespecting me” or other shit that kids get all fired up about that doesn’t actually matter at all.
When I was a teenager fistfights were a fairly common occurrence, even among kids who would consider themselves good friends and often for reasons that couldn’t be articulated later. A fistfight isn’t the same as a stabbing, but a fistfight is closer to a stabbing than it is to nonviolence. Our brains just aren’t finished yet. I’m not saying that at 16 someone shouldn’t be able to understand that stabbing someone for almost any reason is wrong, nor am I saying this person shouldn’t be held to account in some way. I’m just saying that if you’re asking “why?” sometimes the answer is gonna be “We’re fucked up, some of us more than others.”
If you're a skilled salaried worker the law doesn't really consider you to have work hours. Furthermore, you aren't required to be compensated for time you are on-call unless you are required to physically be present.
US labor laws are truly horrifying if you start asking yourself a few "what-ifs." The entire system is built on good faith.
“Salaried worker” over here means just that you’re being paid for fixed, regular working hours - typically something like 37.5 or 40 hours per week. Anything on top of that is overtime, which needs to be compensated either in time off, or paid out.
On call rules also vary a lot by country, but typical it’s something like being paid 20-25% of your regular hourly wage while on call, with overtime pay when you’re taking a call.
I'll never forget at my first job once I moved to Europe, boss reminded me to take my vacation days. "Yeah, I'm hourly, not salary, what vacation days?"
Yes, holiday pay/leave is accrued for casual hourly workers too, by law.
That said, when I switched to salary, off in lieu is a sticky loophole, not sure if it was legal but one place would wipe any leftover OIL on 31 Dec with no payout, so it was on you to take it, which wasn't always possible (pay and time off is better, but work/life balance can be just as F-ed in Europe).
We have salary exempt and salary non-exempt in the US. The exempt part being overtime pay.
Salary exempt would be jobs like managers who may have to work outside of normal hours to ensure continuity of the business. Such as making arrangements for sick workers.calling out.
Salary non-exempt are for positions in which they are paid a set work week but their function does not have unplanned work outside of their normal hours. So things like HR or accounting may be paid salary, but there really is no reason for something to come up outside of their work day. These people should be clocking in and out or at least capturing their time in some manner, because if they do end up working greater than 40 hours a week they are entitled to overtime pay.
Then I guess a few companies I’ve worked for are breaking the law… Go figure. Our non exempt employees wouldn’t get overtime, they just worked for free if the were needed to work longer hours… Yay murica… Coincidentally those companies didn’t have their salaried employees clock in or out
Reposting my comment from another similar thread ‘cause I think it’s kind of important to add.
Ok, so it doesn’t mention wet bulb temperature anywhere, so I went to figure it out. The first thing I was surprised with is apparently most of online calculators don’t take in values higher than 50C.
I couldn’t find the exact data about humidity for that day, but it has been 35-40%+ at a minimum for most days in that region, sometimes even reaching 90%.
So, 52C at around 40% humidity is 37.5C in wet bulb temp. The point of survivability is around 35, and most humans should be able to withstand 37.5 for several hours, but it’s much worse for sick or elderly. 39 is often a death sentence even for healthy humans after just two hours — your body can no longer lose heat and you bake from the inside. That’s like having an unstoppable runaway fever. And with that humidity it’s reached at 54C.
It’s a bit different depending on your health and all that. But 35 WBT is a definite point for everyone (since our bodies run at 36–37C). Kinda like the difference between “some will die” and “most will die”.
I mean to say that the wet bulb temperature at which most will die is ~31.5°C, the gaurdian report I linked is saying that the 35°C number comes from a 2010 study, whereas the findings of the 2022 study found the number to be much lower ~31.5°C.
It’s probably a measure for persistent temperature then. Like, if you lock someone in a room at that temperature (or if it wouldn’t cool down at night, for example), then that person would be dead no matter what after some amount of hours or days.
35 is more of a real-life guideline, since it does cool down at night and you don’t need to withstand this temperature persistently and indefinitely.
And for the last several years there have been lots of places that exceeded 31.5 WBT during the day. Hell, you can probably find several places with that WBT right now. But since people don’t drop dead immediately and need time to heat up, it’s still survivable.
Think about it in terms of a 2D graph. You need to know the duration in addition to temperature to gauge survivability. A million degrees is survivable for a femtosecond, 35 for an average earth day, and ~31 indefinitely.
From @beigegat’s article it says that from real expieriences it’s 31.5C
The oft-cited 35C value comes from a 2010 theoretical study. However, research co-authored by Kenney this year found that the real threshold our bodies can tolerate could be far lower. “Our data is actual human subject data and shows that the critical wet-bulb temperature is closer to 31.5C,” he says.
Well, people do die in saunas. More often than you might think. And those who can sit through 20 minutes are usually already accustomed to them, it’s not like people can sit for a long time the first time. Stick an unprepared elderly person there and it’s often not going to end well.
Also, right after intense sauna sessions (and in between as well) people dunk themselves into very cold plunge pools or snowdrifts to quickly cool off.
And you got the temperature/humidity ratios wrong. 100% humidity is used in a hammam, a Turkish-style steam room, and those are kept at around 45-55C. Russian saunas never exceed 90%, most are kept at around 70%.
Have you been to one and looked at the hydrometer? It’s really hard to raise the humidity above 70–80%, and the usual for most people 1-2 ladles per ~10 mins barely raises the humidity above 60%.
That works, until… Until the power goes out because everyone has their AC on maximum. After that, it becomes a fight of who has a bigger generator and more gas stored, or who has solar power for the AC.
Homeless have been dying during summer and winter for years. It’s just, as with too many things, the new normal and not newsworthy. If they started dying from critical weather I’m not sure we would even know.
I don’t want to be rude, and I completely am all for combating climate change, but 39C is not baking your insides…
I have been deployed to multiple places that were 52C (~125F) in the day/night with high humidity levels, in full long sleeve/pants for 8 hours at a time. 39C (~102F) is hot, but not bake you from the inside type of hot.
Elderly and sick are people not included in what I said above for obvious reasons.
I don’t know your personal experience and how dangerous it was in regards to temperature, but high temperature environments start feeling pretty humid at like ~50%, so you still pretty much need an actual temperature/humidity reading to gauge it correctly.
So guys, take it to the scientists :) I’m not talking out of my ass here, rather quoting research data. There are a couple dozen papers listed in the link above, and most seem to agree on the dangerous temp region. Read their methodology and reasoning if you’re interested to learn more.
Oh I’m not arguing it’s a hot temp and exerting yourself in those temps is very much a death sentence; especially without water. I’m saying that many people in the world have lived through those temperatures. Research studies have a way of making things a bit more dire than what is normally human survivable, probably for legal/medical moral reasons.
The US military definitely has rules against 40+ WBT and state how many hours of work per hours of rest we could have in high temp+humidity levels. However, I, and anyone who had to deploy or live in East Africa (like Djibouti) or the Middle East can definitely attest, 50WBT is survivable for 8 hours days. Again, not talkin’ elderly or sick persons.
I am really starting to get sick and tired of all the excessive news coverage of this, especially in comparison to (for example) a boat full of refugees sinking. The latter is invariably far more tragic, yet tends to garner far less attention.
As somebody who has spent decades on boats I find this news particularly interesting because of the apparent suddenness and violence of the storm. I’m used to hurricanes that take days or weeks to form and move into the area, not waterspouts powerful enough to capsize a 180 foot long, 400+ gross ton super yacht with virtually no warning… It’s virtually unheard of.
Okay, that’s fair. If the news articles were focusing on that aspect, as someone who would like to spend time on boats in the future, I probably wouldn’t be complaining about it.
That said, it sounds like they left a bunch of hatches between the waterline and the gunwale open (possibly including a tender “garage” at the stern!) despite the fact that they should have known from the forecast that a storm was coming, so I’m not sure it’s that interesting. I get the impression that it only “capsized” in the sense that it filled up with water and tipped over when it sloshed to one side, not that it was rolled over by waves. I don’t think the waterspout actually was powerful enough to legitimately capsize the boat, but instead merely caused some moderate waves that washed into the open hatches.
The leadership get revelations directly from god. In a weird coincidence, many of the revelations (like that black people aren’t demons) come at times when societal pressure is overwhelming or they are getting bad press. god apparently has very good timing.
At this point, the only societal pressure they’re under is trying to retain the self-identified Mor[m]ons in the Western US who allow the Mor[m]on church to hold sway over local politics.
Yeah, but like, at least LDS will be forthcoming about how shit is different now. Sure, they kinda dress it up about how the old rules were right “for their time,” but otherwise that’s pretty progressive for a church, IMO.
Compared to JW which will just redact everything they don’t like and pretend it’s always been that way.
And it should be several hundred times the cost of replacing that sand, so that it’s a more economically sound move to not break the law and destroy the environment while they’re at it.
Minimum wage is $15080. A speeding ticket can be $209-$409. That’s 2%. He should be fined a percentage of of his wealth equal to (cost of his douchebaggery)/(minimum wage yearly)*100. Multiply by 10 for a fine
Pretty much the opposite extreme from what I’ve seen. Many of the users from there are about what you would expect from an internet weeb community – transphobic (including using slurs for trans people), misogynist, genocide denying, in general just being really edgy/bigoted… I don’t know if this is something the admins condone, but I pretty much always see heinous shit from the users.
A parent often allows their child to be abused too, so they will try to protect the abuser.
Or the abuser is a close family member, and the parents refuse to take seriously any suggestion that abuse is happening, despite damning evidence, so they protect the abuser out of a sense of familial duty.
This law serves no other purpose than to protect child rapists.
The article seems to insinuate that he had just as large of a crowd in Atlanta but it was much smaller. They also state that his campaign rallies have been as big as ever but they too have been smaller.
Classic NY Times. Steering into conservatism in the name of presenting both sides. Man. Sometimes there isn’t two sides to a story, and that’s been the case since 2012 with Donald Trump. This fucko has been spouting insane shit for over a decade and everyone just gives him a platform because when a rich guy says something, no matter how insane, that’s news worthy. We never woulda had a Trump presidency if the media hadn’t been like “Donald Trump keeps saying Barack Obama isn’t American. What’s that about?” And then treated him serious instead of dismissing it as what it was, the lunatic ramblings of a racist
This broader issue has been bad for a while. I honestly wonder if our climate change situation would be better today if the media hadn’t given equal time to scientists who didn’t think there was human-influenced climate change, even though they were an infinitesimally small fraction of climate scientists. I can understand why some people thought it was a debate among scientists long after it was broadly accepted.
Likewise, treating every wholly fabricated lie that Trump spouts out like it deserves consideration gives him underserved legitimacy.
Who controls the media? That’s the question to ask. Do they have an incentive to manufacture outrage? Do they have reason to favor one outcome over another? Even if what they’re presenting you is factually accurate, sometimes even deciding to give something coverage at all changes what the story is. Donald Trump coulda been a rich guy with weird thoughts with only the people already following him on twitter seeing his bullshit, or better yet, he coulda been thrown off twitter, but the news MADE him into a public figure by treating him as one. And then twitter didn’t kick him off the platform BECAUSE he was a public figure.
I think it’s important not to underestimate the enemy by convincing ourselves Cheetolini doesn’t have support.
According to multiple reporters and the venue itself, both rallies had “at-capacity attendance,” meaning there were more people wanting to attend then were allowed into the venue. Apparently there were reserved areas at Trump’s rally that didn’t fill, but it’s unclear why they were reserved and why they weren’t filled.
That being said, reports note people actually stayed for Harris’s rally, whereas people began leaving halfway through Trump’s 90+ minute rambling speech.
I’d also like to see the media report on how many people at his rallies travel to every rally. If the same people are at every event, then isn’t it much less of a “crowd” and much more of a traveling circus?
This is pretty close to where I am from (tho I’m from the Texas side of the border) and tracks pretty well with the abuses of power found in most of the small towns here.
Am I calling all small town mayors in this area child rapists? No. Am I saying a lot of mayors, sheriffs, and local leaders get away with crimes quite a bit? Hoooooooo doggie! Boy do they!
Small town folk always talk about the corruption in major cities.
But then they go back to their small town life where the mayor is the brother of the sheriff and the lead prosecutor is their best friend and all three of them have a deep secret pact to never share the time they murdered their school mate.
After having lived in both, each is it’s own special kind of corrupt. But if rather live in a bigger city where a lot more people can be outraged at it with me.
I didn’t know I was trans (from voting for Gretchen Whitmer) but I really don’t want to go to the SoS to have the gender on my license changed. I suppose while I’m at it I’ll go ahead and become black, since that’s apparently a thing we can do now, and I’m not making two fucking trips.
I’m not sure of how MAGA rules work, but I think you can only become black if you have an Indian mother, because Obama has a white mother but he didn’t become black.
As Biden stepped away from the podium, a reporter asked him: “President Trump has said repeatedly that he could have gotten the hostages out without giving them anything in exchange. What do you say to that? What do you say to President Trump now? Former President Trump?”
Biden’s answer: “Why didn’t he do it when he was president?”
Daaaaammmnnn! Joe about to give zero fucks the next 3 months! Here for it!
The best part of President’s not needing to be reelected is the DGAF energy. He’s at the end of his career after achieving the highest position on the planet. He can retire and give Commander all the treats and pets for biting assholes.
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