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AnyProgressIsGood , to aboringdystopia in The state of the discourse.

Do people think Hamas wouldn’t hide in a hospital? Theyve proved many times civilians aren’t a concern

Kalkaline ,
@Kalkaline@leminal.space avatar

Do people think that there can’t be two bad guys in a story? This isn’t a good vs evil fight.

bionicjoey ,

“Good guys” are a myth invented by Hollywood to sell action figures

NounsAndWords ,

Do people think that there can’t be two bad guys in a story?

You’re not going to like the answer…

AnyProgressIsGood ,

It truly is a wonder some can’t think that far

assassin_aragorn ,

Really disappoints me.

In some ways, this might reflect the futility of multi party systems. At the end of the day, coalitions of multiple groups are still split into two camps of government and opposition. We have to stop seeing every conflict as us vs them.

4lan ,

This is a war between two terrorist organizations, one of them is funded by the United States.

We are funding terrorism. Your tax dollars are going to infant murder.

Kalkaline ,
@Kalkaline@leminal.space avatar

Same as it ever was

uriel238 ,
@uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Hamas and Hezbollah are not the public of Palestine. So it raises the question if anybody cares. Netanyahu has made it clear to the rest of us he does not.

AnyProgressIsGood ,

They look just like the public and fighting from where the public lives. What is Israel to do? Just accept getting massacred.

uriel238 ,
@uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Does getting massacred justify massacring tenfold? I’m pretty sure the United States emmisaries had this very conversation with the state of Israel.

The thing is, Hamas and Hesbollah see provoking Israel to disproportionate reprisal as a worthwhile gambit. They know Netanyahu is glad to enact genocide justified by retaliation to terror. But now the world will get to watch the horrors of war under Israeli jackboots. And it will be ugly, and the world may have opinions about the Israeli state doing ugly things. The general opinion from the international community is changing. Along with the US’ unconditional support of a regional bully.

There are better ways. But Israeli state has rejected all alternatives, and is glad to throw stormtroopers into the mix.

And yes, the people of Israel, by a significant majority don’t want an overkill response. They want a path towards peace. But the far right does like us vs. them dynamics to consolidate power. It’s the same playbook Trump uses.

I’m not an expert. I don’t know how to fix this, but the experts were shown the door, so here we are. 👀

AnyProgressIsGood ,

Well that’s war when you have superior firepower you’re gonna get more kills.

uriel238 ,
@uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

When Israel massacres civilians and massacres disproportionately, it then loses the peace. It also reveals its administration is too immature to deserve international support. The indiscriminate brutality of the IDF will reflect both on the the legitimacy of Israel and its allies, hence the conditions now added to US materiel support.

I’m very glad you don’t have any responsibility in this or any state affair.

EatYouWell ,

So, that justifies killing civilians?

quo ,

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  • TheDoctorDonna ,

    To not kill babies and people in hospital care. Innocent life is never worth the victory, no matter what the propganda has told you.

    14th_cylon ,

    When you have time to get off your unicorn and enter the mortal realm where the rest of us live, please present to us a plan to solve this conflict that results in 0 dead kids. We are waiting, as is your Nobel peace prize.

    PhlubbaDubba ,

    “We cannot guarantee children will not die so any suggestion we take actions to avoid it as much as possible are entirely unrealistic.”

    TheDoctorDonna ,

    So because I don’t have the solution to fix everything with a neat little bow on top kids should die? Nice

    quo ,

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  • TheDoctorDonna ,

    Anyone who supports murdering children is terrible. All the time. There’s no excuse from anyone to support murdering children regardless of who they think might be hiding among them.

    quo ,

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  • TheDoctorDonna ,

    You’re just looking to twist everything I say.

    AnyProgressIsGood ,

    Sure just tell the civilian dressed militants to not shoot from civilian populated areas.

    Meowoem ,

    You think those babies were getting the medical help they needed? All the fuel and supplies being redirected to Hamas fighters and their control of the building making normal work impossible was killing kids - I bet they’re much better off with it run by idf than Hamas.

    14th_cylon ,

    no, that justifies invading a hospital

    PhlubbaDubba ,

    Tbf you’d have to invade the hospital to clear out the Hamas fighters using it as a base, especially if they were forcing it on the hospital staff

    That or lay siege to it but uh… that’d be about as effective as issuing another round of sanctions on Iran at this point.

    andthenthreemore ,
    @andthenthreemore@startrek.website avatar

    Ok, think it though. What happens when you bomb and invade a hospital filled with civilians?

    14th_cylon ,

    you think it through. what is the alternative?

    andthenthreemore ,
    @andthenthreemore@startrek.website avatar

    You edited your previous comment. That’s just bad form

    14th_cylon ,

    are you seeing things again?

    andthenthreemore ,
    @andthenthreemore@startrek.website avatar

    Prove that you didn’t edit your comment

    14th_cylon ,

    that is not how it works. you are making a claim, you have to prove it.

    andthenthreemore ,
    @andthenthreemore@startrek.website avatar

    Can’t think of an alternative to killing civilians and can’t prove they’re not a lier. Nice.

    AnyProgressIsGood ,

    That’s literally war. Become a general/propose a way to kill /apprehend people that look like civilians while hiding in civilian places

    funkless_eck ,

    ok but if they’re hiding in a hospital you dont need to bomb it? or do anything to it? hiding is not hurting anyone.

    Kolanaki ,
    @Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

    hiding is not hurting anyone.

    The assholes in the hospital are still shooting at the assholes outside the hospital. Though I still agree the assholes outside shouldn’t be bombing it just to get at the assholes inside.

    funkless_eck ,

    we saw this in Bosnia and Rwanda, too. This is similar to Bosnia/Serbia/Yugoslavia in a lot of way (especially the siege of Saraievo).

    AnyProgressIsGood ,

    Depends. Are they artillery spotters. Are they leadership trying to claim to be in a safe you can’t tag me zone. Did they just momentarily hide their guns too. Ya gotta secure that shit one way or another otherwise you’ll get another massacre.

    There are no good answers

    rchive ,

    For conflicts like this leadership that is planning attacks or otherwise leading forces that are doing attacking, simply existing anywhere outside a prison cell is threatening. Hamas leadership knows that, they’re the ones putting hostpitals at risk by being there.

    funkless_eck ,

    right, but my point is, however inconvenient it is, we always have a choice not to bomb hospitals. People take human shields, you don’t have to shoot through the human shields.

    Do I have all the answers? No, but people go to school for war. Surely this has come up before at some point in the last 20,000 years?

    rchive ,

    You certainly should do your best to not shoot through human shields, agreed. But can it still sometimes be better to shoot through human shields if that’s what it takes to get very dangerous people vs letting them escape and threaten again later? I don’t know, it’s a hard question.

    11181514 ,

    I think Hamas is hiding inside your house. What, do people think Hamas wouldn’t hide inside your house?

    AnyProgressIsGood ,

    Do you consider that a good rebuttal. Truly a childish mind. Of course you can’t comprehend complex situations

    Sidhean ,

    “Oh yeah? Well you’re a dumb kid who can’t think smart thoughts”

    Fucking gotem

    AnyProgressIsGood ,

    Proving me right. Ouch

    TheAmishMan , to memes in I have never understood that.
    @TheAmishMan@lemmy.world avatar

    And for us on the otherside, we see people bundled up like their going on an Artic expedition when its 50F out and they are walking 10 feet from their heated car to a heated store.

    Being sweaty all the time sucks. Thats really what it is

    Bojimbo ,

    Hi, that's me. I can handle endless heat, but fuck temps under 60.

    Glytch ,

    Greetings, I’m your opposite. I can handle bitter cold just fine, but I melt at 60F.

    Kyrinar ,

    I’m closer to you than to the other person, but damn, 60F is just about perfect for me. Nice, comfortable T-shirt and jeans weather.

    saruwatarikooji ,

    That’s me as well. I typically don’t even start thinking about shorts until the triple digits.

    On the other hand… I’m starting to layer up at about 65…

    I do also have a higher than normal body temperature. I’m usually hovering around 99.3 and I always have to explain to the doctor that I’m not running a fever that’s just my normal temp.

    spudwart ,

    Yeah, basically.

    A little bit of cold vs sweating

    I’ll take the cold.

    bravesilvernest , to risa in Cope
    @bravesilvernest@lemmy.ml avatar

    Am I the only one enjoying Lower Decks and Strange New Worlds as they come out then? 🙃

    Infynis ,
    @Infynis@midwest.social avatar

    You’re not. Lower Decks and Strange New Worlds are very popular. They’re fantastic shows. The ones people don’t really like currently are Picard and Discovery.

    bravesilvernest ,
    @bravesilvernest@lemmy.ml avatar

    Fair enough! Those are the ones I have heard pretty much nothing about except in jabs about them. Thanks!

    pimento64 ,

    Probably because they’re not very popular in the first place: people have to like the shows enough to keep watching them for there to be any content, and most people do not.

    PsychedSy ,

    Red Letter Media is masochistic at times and I think they cover Picard pretty thoroughly.

    thecrotch ,

    It’s like when they made Picard and discovery they couldn’t decide what kind of show they wanted to make. Then someone was like “hey, what if we made star trek?” and strange new worlds was born

    Infynis ,
    @Infynis@midwest.social avatar

    Yeah, that was my main problem with Discovery when it first came out. It had been so long since we’d had Star Trek, and then they made a new Star Trek show. I was so excited. And then they didn’t do Star Trek.

    Stamets convinced me to give it another shot though, and I’m on season 4 now, and since Season 3, it really has been Star Trek. I just watched an episode where the ship got captured, and they had to take it back by being clever and competent. And then they fought for the rights of a sentient computer. Really classic Trek scenarios. I like most of the characters now, and while it’s still serialized, it’s more episodic than it was. Season 3 episode 2 got me to really love three characters I previously didn’t really even like.

    ThrowawayInTheYear23 ,

    and Prodigy!

    agent_flounder ,
    @agent_flounder@lemmy.world avatar

    Nope. Not at all. I can’t wait for more.

    Discovery … I still can’t believe what they did to the Klingons and I have other issues but… goddamnit that show won me over in spite of itself. Will start season 3 in a while. And I liked the first two seasons of Picard I don’t care what anyone says.

    I might be alone in saying all that, idk lol

    7of9 ,
    @7of9@startrek.website avatar

    I enjoyed the first two seasons of Picard more than the third. It takes all sorts, I guess.

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  • Jaccident ,

    TNG didn’t redesign the Klingons, that was the The Motion Picture with subsequent small revisions through the TOS films.

    barsoap ,

    Discovery had soooo much for Klingon nerds: Hours upon hours of dialogue in Klingon, and (without actually knowing Klingon) with proper pronunciation, tons of warrior honour culture and its existential clash with federation ideals, and people are complaining about hair. Fucking hair.

    alansuspect ,

    I haven’t watched Lower Decks yet, the SNW cross-over episode was fun but I found the characters from LD a bit annoying. SNW is great though, it’s like classic trek with higher production values.

    I really tried with Discovery but stopped around season 2 or 3 (around the time they took it off Netflix), it seemed to struggle with itself a lot. Maybe I need to give it another try, I like the idea of the jump to the future.

    Picard, it was cosy to be back with the old characters but the writing was pretty poor.

    slackassassin , (edited )

    The LD characters seemed annoying because they were cartoonish, on account of them being cartoons. They played it up to be how people act in the future. But it doesn’t feel out of place in the actual cartoon. Imho.

    CheeryLBottom ,

    I’m completely enjoying both!

    Telodzrum ,

    Lower Decks is the best Trek since Ent went off the air, IMO. I didn’t care for Disco, largely. Picard was more action than I was in for at first. I’m really enjoying SNW, though.

    UnspecificGravity ,

    Lower Decks is awesome. The only thing I didn’t like about Picard is that romulans and vulkans need to wear nametags if they are both going to wear federation uniforms.

    smegforbrains , to lemmyshitpost in Very few people realise how environmentally devastating this game is.

    IMHO sport is a misnomer. “Game” seems more fitting to me.

    EatATaco ,

    I’m always interested in this take. By definition,.it’s clearly a sport.

    How do you define sport and how does it not meet the definition? It’s a game of physical skill, mental concentration, and competition.

    Kalothar ,

    I have always viewed it as a sport involves and active defensive player and an overall greater level of physical movement

    AA5B ,

    What about non-team sports, like running, cycling, surfing, skiing, etc. maybe there’s a defensive strategy but there’s no active defensive player. Are those also not sports?

    Kalothar ,

    Interesting point, i know they are definitely sports so it kinda throws my point away haha

    blanketswithsmallpox ,

    Not really. They meet your qualifier of greater amount of physical activity/movement.

    Sport has connotations of fast paced physical activity.

    Games like Solitaire and Golf can be done by yourself and for most people won’t be spiking your heart levels to a runners high.

    ikidd ,
    @ikidd@lemmy.world avatar

    You haven’t played golf with me. Better watch your balls as you have your legs open to swing.

    AngryCommieKender ,

    Fishing has entered the chat.

    Definitely a defensive participant and an offensive participant, but way less physical activity like 90% of the time.

    shalafi ,

    Sport shooting as well.

    interceder270 ,

    sport fucking

    HenryWong327 ,
    @HenryWong327@lemmy.ml avatar

    Motorsports have no defensive player and do not involve much physical movement (unless you count the car’s movement).

    Giving a cat a bath involves a defensive player (the cat) and significant physical movement (depends on the cat’s mood).

    somethingsnappy ,

    Giving the cat a bath (other than the weird one I had that loved water) is classified as a blood sport.

    zeppo ,
    @zeppo@lemmy.world avatar

    Part of the definition of a sport is that it accomplishes absolutely nothing useful at all, other than entertainment, thought about it and perhaps fitness. Bathing a cat is not a sport because it actually has a useful goal, I.e. cleaning a cat.

    HenryWong327 ,
    @HenryWong327@lemmy.ml avatar

    I would say that getting healthier and fitter is absolutely useful, and so is entertainment.

    But anyways, some sports can be useful for training purposes (Ever heard of the Firefighter Olympics? It’s really cool).

    Also there’s also stuff like people jogging/biking to go places, and sailing maybe can also fall into this category though I don’t think it’s a thing anymore. (IIRC in the 1700s there was a sort of sport where ships would race each other across the Atlantic to deliver stuff as fast as possible. Not sure though, take with grain of salt.)

    frezik ,

    There’s still people who sail to get to a destination. It’s a bit of a rich person thing, though. Even without a motor, boats are holes in the water that you sink money into. More so if it has to be ocean-going.

    frezik ,

    Fuck that, I’m starting a competitive cat bathing club.

    interceder270 ,

    physical skill

    EatATaco ,

    Is this is a suggestion that golf doesn’t take physical skill?

    interceder270 ,

    masterbating takes more skill

    EatATaco ,

    I guess I can see how someone who struggles to find their tiny dick might find masturbation to be very difficult.

    interceder270 ,

    My dick is heavier than a golf club.

    EatATaco ,

    I can see how that would also make it extremely difficult.

    interceder270 ,

    Do you wanna see?

    EatATaco ,

    I’ll pass, but thank you

    interceder270 ,

    Are you sure?

    Godnroc ,

    Where do you draw the line between sports and games? Are sports competitive where games are fun? Is poker a sport? Are video games capable of being sports? What could be done to golf that would make it a sport? Are all sports games if not all games are sports?

    These are the questions that keep me up at night.

    Obi ,
    @Obi@sopuli.xyz avatar

    Not saying I hold this opinion myself but I think people that say this usually draw the line to physical exertion being required.

    Faresh , (edited )

    When I think of sport I think of anything where one sweats due to physical exertion.

    1847953620 ,

    I sweat playing rocket league and working on my car, but they’re not sports.

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    If you can play it while drinking a beer it isn’t a sport.

    starman2112 ,
    @starman2112@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Chess is a sport, and one can absolutely play chess drunk

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    No it isn’t.

    starman2112 ,
    @starman2112@sh.itjust.works avatar

    I mean you can believe what you want, but you’re factually incorrect

    son_named_bort ,

    Any sport can be played while drinking a beer if you put your mind to it and believe in yourself.

    Vandals_handle ,
    @Vandals_handle@lemmy.world avatar

    Ever hear of Beer league hockey, sport?

    Kecessa ,

    I would piss my colleague off by telling him he’s got a nice hobby…

    1847953620 ,

    Good. They need to accept reality.

    Kecessa ,

    Oh that just made him angry, I always added that no sport has the winner of a major tournament in their mid 40s.

    hydrospanner ,

    I mean… Tom Brady was a super bowl MVP in his 40s.

    Chris Chelios won a Stanley Cup in his 40s.

    But your point is well taken nonetheless.

    Kecessa ,

    But that’s a team sport though. If we compare that to tennis the oldest tournament winner is Rosewall in the 70s at 37 years old and more recently Federer in 2018 at 36 years old.

    hydrospanner ,

    Definitely a fair point.

    frezik ,

    Sports that are more based on endurance than sprinting tend to have older people who do well. Mid-40s is pushing it for championship level, but you can still be competitive at that stage, and still participate well into old age if you don’t have any major health/injury issues.

    interceder270 ,

    Is chess a sport?

    RepulsiveDog4415 ,

    Do you move a lot during chess (yourself, not the pieces :P)?

    interceder270 ,

    I move my balls, but that’s a different story.

    zeppo ,
    @zeppo@lemmy.world avatar

    As much as assaulting fish is a sport. Much more reasonable and intellectual though

    cashews_best_nut ,

    I actually get exhausted playing golf - but that’s because I’m BAD at it. Apparently I put too much force into my swing. Every time I’ve tried to play I get told to relax and “let the club to the work”.

    So they literally have these weighted sticks to reduce the amount of frickin effort required to hit the ball.

    It’s not a sport. It’s an ANTI-sport. The less you try the better you’ll be.

    Can you imagine if we had an Olympic running sport to see who the slowest runner was? That’s what golf is. Get the weakest, limpest, vitamin-defficient humans and see how accurately they can hit a tiny ball into a hole.

    It was invented by the Scots as a joke against the English while they all go and compete in proper sports like caber tossing and hammer throwing.

    frezik ,

    Or to keep it short, know that John Daly is one of the greats of the sport. Look up a picture of John Daly dated any time in the last 30 years, and you’ll know how hilarious that is.

    And people complain that Starcraft isn’t a sport.

    Wrongleverkrunk , to mildlyinfuriating in Neighbour deliberately blocking OP

    call a tow company they’ll eat that up

    Kase ,

    No I’m pretty sure they’d just tow it away

    rsuri ,

    OP needs to call Robosaurus

    T00l_shed ,

    Trucka-saurus

    ummthatguy , to risa in Printer driver failure: All hands abandon ship!
    @ummthatguy@lemmy.world avatar

    Meanwhile, in Voyager at Ensign Harry Kim’s quarters during their final approach to Earth:

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/0387f40d-c9ef-46ed-a0de-b304c79eab6d.jpeg

    tslnox ,
    CarbonIceDragon , to lemmyshitpost in It's gone too far. It's just gone too far.
    @CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social avatar

    I thought sexualized police officer costumes have been a thing for awhile now tho?

    Paradox , to technology in Spotify re-invented the radio
    @Paradox@lemdro.id avatar

    So they went to the same model Pandora used to use 15 years ago

    raptir ,

    Well the model Pandora still uses.

    cjsolx ,

    It was the reason I came back to Spotify when I decided to give Pandora a shot, way back when.

    ZombiFrancis ,

    Pandora had a cheap yearlong plan. They scrapped people’s existing plans when they switched to monthly and wouldnt credit the remaining months on long term subscriptions.

    Cancelled then and have never used Pandora since. Since then it has been Youtube for a specific song (until recently due to adstacking) or reliable nautical measures.

    Kepabar , to risa in Bullhonky Bev playing the long game

    ?

    She had no other children at this time.

    If referring to Jack, he wasn’t born yet.

    ummthatguy OP ,
    @ummthatguy@lemmy.world avatar

    During her absence in season 2 is when she had Jack. In the scene in question, she pauses for a noticeable moment before answering.

    Scratch that. According to Terry Matalas: “around the timeframe of Nemesis.”

    clay_pidgin ,

    Wait, do we know when he was conceived?

    Kepabar ,

    Right, Jack is the result of Picard and Beverly finally getting together after the events of Nemesis and Insurrection.

    Now, that does make Beverly 55+ when she had him. But future medicine and all that I guess?

    ummthatguy OP ,
    @ummthatguy@lemmy.world avatar

    55 ain’t what is used to be. Jeri Ryan is 55 now.

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/5782a107-a03d-4540-be7e-3b07378ae11d.jpeg

    So, misplaced timeline aside, Beverly “to blave” Crusher is not to be taken at her word.

    gregorum ,

    ”to blave”

    lol, I heard that in Miracle Max’s voice. Nice.

    verity_kindle ,
    @verity_kindle@lemmy.world avatar

    Got the reference, I didnt know she was a blaver!!!

    LucyLastic ,

    Then you saw her face?

    verity_kindle ,
    @verity_kindle@lemmy.world avatar

    Not a trace of doubt in my mind.

    JoMiran , (edited )
    @JoMiran@lemmy.ml avatar

    For context, back in the 80’s, Betty White’s character (Rose) was fifty-five in Season 1. The youngest Golden Girl was 48. Back then, anything over forty was retirement home material apparently. I’m fifty and am pretty much the same guy I was at 25, doing the same things

    ummthatguy OP ,
    @ummthatguy@lemmy.world avatar
    possiblylinux127 ,

    That’s a awful smile

    RootBeerGuy ,
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    Its not about looks when you talk about having kids at older age. Its about genetic risk factors, increasing the risk the pregnancy goes wrong or your child will have issues.

    Kepabar ,

    It’s not even about that.

    Like 99% of women have hit menopause by 55, and the number of births for mothers over 50 with no medical intervention in the conception process is extremely low. So low that Wikipedia has an article detailing specific women it’s happened to.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pregnancy_over_age_50

    This wouldn’t be a huge deal, except a major plot point is that it was an accidental pregnancy neither of them planned for. So it’s not like she was getting any kind of fertility treatment.

    While not impossible it just makes Jacks conception extremely unlikely

    ApostleO ,

    The fact Q shows up at the end to meet Jack makes me wonder if he had anything to do with the “accident”.

    MrPoopyButthole ,
    @MrPoopyButthole@lemmy.world avatar

    It’s the future! waves hands mysteriously

    GratefullyGodless ,
    @GratefullyGodless@lemmy.world avatar

    Teleporters, Warp speed, and phasers you have no issues with, but medical science advancing enough to extend the human period of fertility is unrealistic?

    Kepabar ,

    If she were trying to have children, sure then I can believe medical science could make that happen.

    But menopause happens in part because the body runs out of viable eggs. The body doesn’t produce more over a life; you are born with your supply.

    Why would medical science have given her more eggs at some point?

    bappity ,
    @bappity@lemmy.world avatar

    JERI RYAN IS 55???!! SHE AGED SO WELL

    verity_kindle ,
    @verity_kindle@lemmy.world avatar

    Wait whasst is this magic? Bev/Picard is le canon? My homies from 1999 and fanfiction. net, aaasssseembleeee That’s like finding out J/C is now retroactively made canon, my head is gonna explode

    GregorGizeh ,

    Watch Picard, specifically season 3.

    verity_kindle ,
    @verity_kindle@lemmy.world avatar

    WELL NOW I WILL. shit was this common knowledge!?

    dmonzel ,
    @dmonzel@lemmy.world avatar

    Considering it’s kind of the whole plot of Picard season 3, then yeah, it’s common knowledge.

    Kepabar ,

    Fuck yeah, go watch Picard S3.

    It was a fun ride.

    You don’t really need to watch the other two seasons first if you don’t want to; the only thing you won’t have is the backstory on why the hell Picard knows Seven and who Seven’s kinda girlfriend is.

    Endorkend ,
    @Endorkend@kbin.social avatar

    Season 3 of Picard was about that.

    FfaerieOxide ,
    @FfaerieOxide@kbin.social avatar

    And even referring to Jack, "We had no other children" would be true.

    art , to lemmyshitpost in And now Bezos is trying to insert ads everywhere
    @art@lemmy.world avatar

    I like to bootleg the major studios and patreon the indie artists that are giving their shit away for free.

    clonedhuman ,
    @clonedhuman@lemmy.world avatar

    Yes! I’m right there with you.

    Ganbat ,

    Where do you stand on indie artists that are using Patreon to act like major studios, e.g. nothing is free and their work is limited release and deleted after the month?

    Sharkwellington ,

    I find it harder to be upset about what an artist does with their work because they’re the sole creator and didn’t exploit anyone to make it. The limited release stuff doesn’t sound great but none of the artists I follow do that, I certainly wouldn’t support them if they did. If they’re planning to never release the art ever again then I think there’s a fair argument to be made for piracy, although if you’re just waiting for the month to turn over to look at it guilt free, well, I think you’re just trying to justify it to yourself.

    Ganbat ,
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    I’ve seen a few that delete their stuff after the month and never release it again. IIRC, at least one of them was making relatively huge cash per month and only ever released cropped previews publicly, so that one was definitely what I’d call predatory, but that is just the most extreme case I’ve seen. I hate that false scarcity works so well.

    art ,
    @art@lemmy.world avatar

    I’ve never seen an indie artist on Patreon that delete shit or used any kind of DRM. At least no artist that I’ve been inspired to support.

    I try to never steal from people, only corporations.

    Ganbat ,

    I’ve seen a few different methods. Scrubbed Patreon profiles, archives with passwords that change every month and aren’t redistributed, etc. I’ve run into several artists who do this.

    Ubermeisters , to lemmyshitpost in Make sure to toss with olive oil after.

    It costs nothing to never put these words together that way though

    BonesOfTheMoon OP ,

    Good morning you’re welcome have a splendid day.

    Ubermeisters ,

    😭

    spacecowboy , to games in This should be illegal

    You touch anything from Meta with a 10 foot pole, you deserve whatever comes your way.

    Rai ,

    Complete agree. Disgusting evil company. Fuck Facebook

    Kolanaki ,
    @Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

    It’s not like this phenomena is limited to the Quest or Meta. It happens all the time across the whole industry.

    Classy ,

    Google

    Liz ,

    Or we could make shitty behavior illegal so that people don’t have to vet the ethics of every company they interact with.

    Izzy , to mildlyinfuriating in How is woke a religion?
    @Izzy@lemmy.world avatar

    What does it mean to “Shout down a speaker”? What are they speaking about and what is the purpose of shouting at them?

    kent_eh ,

    When the hate preachers show up on campus with a bullhorn and try to tell everyone that they deserve to burn in hell, they don’t want the reat of the world to tell them to STFU.

    Izzy ,
    @Izzy@lemmy.world avatar

    I see. If someone is yelling obscenities at you then its probably ok to yell at them too although I wouldn’t bother personally. I don’t think this poll can mean anything though as I imagine everyone has different understandings of what a “speaker” is and is doing.

    kent_eh ,

    I don’t think this poll can mean anything

    Given the obvious motivation of the person who posted it, I’d want to see some independent source before attributing any importance to it.

    ninjan ,

    These open questions are always kinda crap to draw conclusions from because we don’t know how the question was interpreted by the people answering. In this case we also don’t know the sample size of the groups. Could also be a multitude of other variables at play like location because there are few places where you can find all these religions while getting a good sample size and controlling for other variables like income, education, age etc.

    Turkey_Titty_city ,

    They go to the lecture and just scream so that that person can't present. They don't allow the person to make their case or offer them any respect.

    Microplasticbrain ,

    Bro these people stand in common areas shouting about how everyone is going to hell. They dont have a case and dont deserve any respect. If anything they deserve some counseling from a medical professional.

    tburkhol ,

    And does it apply only to verbal, podium speech, or also to written books and speech by people in [drag] costume.

    TubeTalkerX , to lemmyshitpost in We all need to heal.

    I’m pretty sure the animal they used to make transparent stuff went extinct, like the one they used for the original McRib.

    steal_your_face ,
    @steal_your_face@lemmy.ml avatar

    Okja?

    johnthedoe ,

    Sail into that gentle sea, the majestic Translucent Bison

    fushuan ,

    You are correct lmao, they do it from plastic with is made from petrol which was made from dinosaurs.

    hup ,
    @hup@lemmy.world avatar

    Vast majority of petrol is dead pine trees but a good effort

    deegeese , to mildlyinfuriating in we are devolving

    Your subscription still continues through the full period you’ve paid for.

    Otherwise you’re owed a refund of what you paid, which looks like $0.

    It’s a promo, take it or don’t.

    BassaForte ,
    @BassaForte@lemmy.world avatar

    The whole point of a free trial is to try the services without paying. If you sign up for a free trial, which these days requires a credit card, but are forced to continue the “subscription” until it ends, you could end up forgetting to cancel at the right time and end up being charged. No matter how you spin it, this is no good for the consumer and only helps corporate.

    deegeese ,

    There would be no free trials offered if there was no chance of continuing as paid.

    Do you want to ban free trials to protect the forgetful?

    Morcyphr ,

    Do you want to ban free trials to protect the forgetful?

    Yes, in a way. They are counting on the forgetful to an extent. There are actual apps to cancels services people have forgotten about but still pay for. Remove the requirement for cc info for a free trial. There are services out their that I might use but I’m not comfortable inserting cc info until I’m sure it is useful to me. If the product is as great as Apple (or whoever) say it is, people will subscribe.

    RaivoKulli ,

    I want to be able to prevent it from accidentally continuing on to paid subscription like I could before by ending the subscription without losing the access as far as the trial period lasted.

    CeruleanRuin ,

    Kinda missing the point, but thanks for the unsolicited lecture on corporate policies.

    deegeese ,

    Don’t play games with companies and then complain they’re playing games.

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