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Dehydrated ,

That’s why Invidious exists.

S_204 ,

Trying to use it via Firefox is pointless. I just downloaded the video and pirated. Fuck YouTube.

Klaymore ,
@Klaymore@sh.itjust.works avatar

If you run mpv https://url it will stream it from youtube and play it in mpv, without having to wait for the whole video to download first.

aliteral ,

And another win for free and open source software fellas!

lagomorphlecture ,

Try opening a link from Gmail in Firefox or searching Google for a specific piece of information. SSDD. Fuck Google. At this point they’re in par with the evil Amazon.

Squizzy ,

Ssdd?

KnightontheSun ,

Same shit, different day.

Tronn4 ,

Solid stare dick drive

sugartits ,

I am choosing to believe this is the correct response.

cryptosporidium140 ,

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    Tyfud ,

    Monetizing one is much easier than the other.

    IndyRap ,

    Pornhub owns most of those alternatives.

    tias ,

    *Aylo

    SeaJ , (edited )

    I love how they have clearly tried to hide that they make their money from porn. They used to be called MindGeek. The private equity firm that owns them is called Ethical Capital Partners.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Ethical Capital Partners

    So I assume they can guarantee none of the women in the porn they show are victims of human trafficking.

    (I can’t know that in the porn I watch either, but I don’t host it.)

    KillingTimeItself ,

    in fairness, they did delete most of their content base after a minor was found to be on the platform. To the degree that keeps investors happy, i suppose they do.

    BakerBagel ,

    People dont really care where their content comes from, so long as it loads properly. But content creators dont want to migrate from the platforms they have all their followers on. If i have a decent YouTube channel that is large enough to be my primary income, I’m locked in because there is no real way to migrate all those followers over to a new platform. Nebula is the closest i think we have to a true YouTube competitor, but it’s a tiny fraction of the user base and most Nebula videos are available on YouTube for free.

    ILikeBoobies ,

    People will pirate porn, they don’t care to pirate COD montages

    muh_entitlement ,

    Use a different front end like piped video! All the content is free and no ads!

    cybersandwich ,

    I’m actually really surprised pornhub hasn’t moved into the YouTube like space. They have the infrastructure and expertise. Why not branch into that ? Especially if YouTube keeps pissing off users.

    ILikeBoobies ,

    Reputation, if you think Nintendo is copyright happy when people put their things on YouTube wait for it to be on “pornhub kids”

    LoL wouldn’t even let YouPorn’s team compete

    zcd ,

    Fuck YouTube

    aliteral ,

    And Google. And Corporations.

    Zuberi ,
    @Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    User-Agent changer fixes this issue completely for me

    Plopp ,

    I wish Mozilla would add the ability to set User-Agent for the different containers they offer in Firefox with their addon. Would be sweet to set it to Chrome in my YouTube container only.

    S_204 ,

    How do I learn what you’re talking about LoL. Any helpful YouTube channels?

    Agrivar ,

    Not the person you replied to, but I just searched for “User-Agent changer” and then installed the Firefox extension that it found. When I set it to pretend to be Windows/Chrome my Youtube tabs went back to snappy and responsive.

    (link to the one I found: addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/…/uaswitcher/)

    CosmoNova ,

    Holy smokes that did the trick. Not that longer loading times were bothering me too much, (It’s still less time wasted than ads) but damn it feels nice to load smoothly again.

    S_204 ,

    Thanks I’ll check that out.

    Dehydrated ,

    So does Invidious

    Appoxo ,
    @Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Problem is, it shows the internet that there id a higher share of chromium browsers.
    Which is bad.

    Zuberi ,
    @Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    You’re showing a google owned website though who cares lol.

    Appoxo ,
    @Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Because most people will apply it globally and will forget about it at some point.

    davemeech ,

    So I have YouTube premium but also have ad-blocker, for the first time yesterday I was noticing absolutely abysmal speeds on YouTube and I suspect this is why. I thought my computer was starting to shit the bed initially it was so brutal.

    atrielienz ,

    I was wondering if this was coming. I don’t use YouTube in-browser much if at all, so I don’t see this. But I am not surprised. The fact that they’re slowing down people who pay for premium is kind of an act of war. It shouldn’t be a thing, and the fact that it’s happening at all is a misstep on Google’s part. Not that the whole slowing down people who use ad blockers isn’t. But this will detrimentally affect adoption of premium subscribers which I thought was the last thing they’d want. Because they obviously don’t make enough off ad revenue to support the platform. That’s part of why they push premium so hard. They need more premium subscribers. This is idiocy.

    davemeech ,

    I can’t remember what video I watched that talked about the unsustainabilty and likely the late stages of an ad revenue driven internet content model, and this situation reeks of that.

    I don’t know what new paradigm might replace it if this is the case, but the current model feels like it’s absolutely failing.

    Steve ,

    Ha! Serves you right

    Vlyn ,

    After getting premium I just switched the adblocker off for YouTube. Premium would be far too expensive if it didn’t also include YouTube Music :-/

    Sterile_Technique ,
    @Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world avatar

    uBlock Origin works on YouTube Music, too.

    If you want to throw a few bucks at the people providing you a service, then donate to an ad blocker for helping make the Internet a safer, better, and more user-friendly place. …not the big fuckers like YouTube who are contributing to the enshitification of the entire web.

    Vlyn ,

    YouTube already has ways to block users with adblock. They just haven’t fully rolled it out yet.

    Lately they blocked playing videos when I had uBlock Origin running, but it was just a warning I could click away. They might also slow down page loading and playback.

    YouTube has the ability to lock users with adblock out, they are just very careful about using it. Mostly starting with trials in smaller countries and getting more bold over time.

    danafest ,

    Ublock doesn’t accept donations

    Sterile_Technique ,
    @Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world avatar

    While uBlock would be most deserving of a donation imo, there are others that do accept. Even if it’s an ad blocker you don’t actively use, you’d still be supporting a developer who’s using their time and skills to improve the web.

    Donating to no one would be better than paying YouTube.

    Hawke ,

    I have YouTube premium

    Wow, so you pay them and they still screw you? Glad that’s a product I’ll never buy then!

    davemeech ,

    I know, right? But I suppose their reasoning is that my ads are also blocked across the rest of their ecosystem, my subscription isn’t covering those losses.

    Still though, a model that requires that customers look at something they don’t want to nor will engage with smells like failure.

    Hawke ,

    I’m generally okay with the idea of “you can get it for free and we’ll include ads to pay for it, or you can pay instead”.

    Where I’m definitely not okay is “you can pay, and we’ll include ads anyway.”

    buddascrayon ,

    The sick twist is that I use Ublock Origin and won’t ever pay for YouTube premium and I haven’t experienced even the slightest issue streaming videos on YouTube. 😂

    CoggyMcFee ,

    I have YouTube premium and an adblocker and I don’t have this problem. I’m skeptical that it’s related.

    essteeyou ,

    Same, YT Premium, Firefox, ad blocker, no issues with streaming.

    essteeyou ,

    So, since writing the above I’ve been having issues with YouTube. I’ve been connected to my VPN, so perhaps that’s part of it (by which I mean Google slowing it down, the VPN doesn’t noticeably slow down any other sites).

    I tried deactivating my ad blocker, but it hasn’t made a difference. I’ll try more stuff to see if I can figure it out.

    CosmicCleric ,
    @CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

    I have YouTube premium and an adblocker and I don’t have this problem. I’m skeptical that it’s related.

    I too am a YouTube premium customer, and my video performance is horrible lately.

    Funny enough, on my living room smart TV YouTube app my performance has been bad as well, even though I am logged in to my premium YouTube account.

    Something is going on, and it does effect some (at least) premium customers.

    PopMyCop ,

    Wasn’t that exactly how the adblock blocks went out in the first place? Only a few areas at a time were affected.

    essteeyou ,

    Anecdotally at best. I know it’s not what you want to hear, but you’re making a conclusion based on something one person said.

    CrayonRosary , (edited )

    I have premium, uBlock Origin, and Mullvad VPN. In Firefox the other day, the stream was dying every 10-30 seconds. Like it would just stop and give me a spinner. I would have to “Copy URL at current time”, open a new tab, and paste it in to get it to go any further. I do have bad internet, but this was nuts. And then I gave up and used Duck, and it played flawlessly in their embedded player.

    Good job, Google.

    If it happens again, I’ll try disabling uBlock Origin on YouTube and see if it improves.

    Behaviorbabe ,

    I’m not very tech savvy, my Adblock sometimes works and sometimes doesn’t. I’ve been using Firefox with extensions incognito for YouTube or I just avoid the site these days. I really liked it for music videos, since in unwilling to pay Spotify. So far my strategy is working.

    lloram239 ,

    I’ll never understand why they spend so much effort pushing ads into people’s faces that don’t want see them and so little making ads more attractive.

    A very large chunk of what people consume these days is effectively already ads. Every Youtuber holding a product into the camera is an ad. And people want to watch that. They want to know what new products are out there. It just has to presented appropriately.

    Forced ads with mandatory 5sec isn’t making people interested in your product, heck, numerous times I might have been interested in a product, but lost interested since I couldn’t rewind the ad or because the ad didn’t link to anything that gave me further information. A 15min video from a Youtuber reviewing a product in detail is way more effective than any regular ad I have ever seen, yet there are almost no ads in that style.

    jws_shadotak ,

    I’ll never understand why they spend so much effort pushing ads into people’s faces

    money

    Also, disappointingly, most people don’t care about the ad all that much.

    minibyte ,

    A very large chunk of what people consume these days is effectively already ads

    That’s what grinds my gears. I understand ads pay bills, but showing multiple ads before a trailer for a video game or movie is excessive.

    TigrisMorte ,

    Plus nearly all advertising is insultingly stupid as to appeal to idiots.

    Thorny_Insight ,

    Most ads are about brand recognition and not so much about trying to sell a specific product. Even if you think an ad is stupid, if you still can remember the brand then the ad worked.

    lookorex ,

    That generally just makes me remember not to use that product or service because the ad was so annoyingly stupid

    TigrisMorte ,

    No, it didn't as brand recognition is desirable only if positive.

    SlopppyEngineer ,

    Ads are a way to fill people’s heads with brand names until nothing remains except for those brands and only those brands feel safe and familiar until it becomes a conditioned reflex to choose those products. And it works.

    The Holy Market forbids people would actually choose products based on their own experience and price.

    Sterile_Technique ,
    @Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world avatar

    I actively avoid brands with annoying ads.

    When unsubscribing from pretty much any service there’s usually little text box asking why. Whether or not it’s the real reason for leaving, I love citing obnoxious ads as the thing that pushed me out, especially for high-dollar moves like banking or insurance.

    I know it’ll never accomplish anything, but it feels good. ^_^

    TigrisMorte ,

    brand recognition is desirable only if positive.

    bitwolf ,

    I find it extremely funny that YouTube serving ads also strains the same video infrastructure they’re trying to increase revenue on.

    camelbeard ,

    Too be honest I was fine with seeing an ad every few videos. But at some point it became unskippable ads before , during and after a video.

    Tak ,
    @Tak@lemmy.ml avatar

    What boils my blood the most is how manipulative marketing is. The number of worthless ass jingles I remember from the 90’s from companies I’ve never purchased anything from is ridiculous.

    verysoft ,

    Ads got too aggressive, people made adblockers, ads got more aggressive because of lost revenue, almost everyone starts using adblockers.

    They did it to themselves, people were content with simple ads on a page, it's once they started interfering with the content and access of it that they became a problem.

    NocturnalEngineer ,

    I never had an issue with YT’s 1-2 skipable ads at the beginning, or even the banner ad. But they got greedy.

    The midrolls and the unskipable ads was the trigger point for me.

    captainlezbian ,

    Yeah and I wouldn’t even mind like 5 minutes of ads at the beginning compared to randomly dispersed in the middle

    Appoxo ,
    @Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Oh sure, let me watch 5 MINUTES before watching a 7min clip.
    Dedicated 5min are only marginally justified if the content is >60 minutes in length.

    PopMyCop ,

    Screw that much. I’ll give them 1 second per 5 minutes of video.

    Kidplayer_666 ,

    I mean, they didn’t get greedy, as far as everyone knows they are losing a ton of money (at least if you can extrapolate anytbing from the fact that twitch is massively unprofitable)

    takeda ,

    That was the initially when YouTube was created. Everyone knows that Google has no problem cancelling anything that’s not profitable.

    Kidplayer_666 ,

    If it was profitable, then why did google stop posting the financial statistics for YouTube

    eskimofry ,

    to get the benefit of the doubt on unpopular decisions. Same thing with hiding thumbs down counter from videos.

    TwilightVulpine ,

    Pretty sure YouTube has already been declared to be profitable. But frankly I’m pretty suspicious of claims of unprofitability for services being run for over a decade. Why would any for-profit company bankroll them if it wasn’t worth it? There has to be some creative accounting going on.

    Kidplayer_666 ,

    Doubt it, if it was profitable, they would be announcing that to everyone as loud as they could. Besides, if twitch is unprofitable, I doubt that google is in a much better situation

    TwilightVulpine ,

    I wouldn’t apply Twitch’s situation to YouTube, IF it’s even true, because YouTube got a much wider reach and more advertising possibilities than gaming and somewhat related audiences.

    It doesn’t seem to me a given that they’d boast about their success either. Because if they hide the situation the way they do, they can do this, turn to the customers saying “Welp, I guess this much is not enough. Gotta put more ads on it and raise prices 🤷”. It’s easier to placate the users if they are convinced it is inevitable. I imagine you are considering of what investors might think if products are said to be unprofitable, but overall Google/Alphabet still gets tens of billions in clean profits every year.

    Most of all, again, if this is such a money sink that in over a decade they couldn’t figure out how to make money of it, why would they still keep at it? Why wouldn’t they sell it off or close it? If I assume they are honest about unprofitability, as much as I doubt it, then they must be getting something else from it that is equally valuable as raw money. Maybe it’s user data. Maybe it’s the social clout of controlling a major media platform. But it has to be worth it to them or they wouldn’t be hosting it. It wouldn’t make sense.

    But personally I just think they are lying about unprofitability, including Twitch. It’s just a convenient excuse for layoffs and price hikes. It’s not like they are going to show everyone their full balance sheets.

    EldritchFeminity ,

    Interest rates have been low enough for long enough that many companies have been running on the “fake it 'til you make it” philosophy forever. Air BnB, Door Dash, Lyft, and countless others have never been profitable. But they survive by constantly taking out loans and collecting new investor money to increase their market share (the infinite growth scheme), hoping that they’ll either eventually have enough impetus to monopolize a market and bully it into being profitable, or get bought up by Google and co for a rich payout.

    This is how YouTube and Netflix got profitable. They ran at a loss until they were popular enough to turn a profit, and then switched to maximizing that profit. I imagine the same is true for the big social media sites as well. Run at a loss until you have a big enough userbase to attract advertisers. And this is exactly why Tumblr was never profitable and Verizon basically killed it trying to make it profitable. Tumblr’s population has always been the groups advertisers like the least - minorities, LGBTQ groups, sex workers, and artists/creatives. So Verizon tried to sanitize it by purging them to make it attractive to advertisers, and consequently killed the userbase that gave it it’s potential for ad profits in the process.

    TwilightVulpine ,

    I see what you are saying, but Google is still not bleeding money and YouTube has become very well established already. In fact, for years YouTube contributes to Google’s primary revenue source: Advertising. Of course, this is why they are opposed to ad blockers, that much makes perfect sense.

    But I don’t see any indication that it’s not making ends meet. And I’m not taking an executive’s word as proof, much less one from a whole different company. It’s expected that they will say whatever make their actions look good, whether or not it’s true.

    EldritchFeminity ,

    Yeah, I don’t mean that YouTube is unprofitable. It’s probably hugely profitable, and now they’re focusing on maximizing that profit.

    But with something like Twitch, which claims to have been unprofitable for a decade or more, I can believe that simply because of the low interest rates that allow them to perpetually keep burning money and that the value of these platforms is measured by the potential profit from the userbase - whether through ad revenue, data, or something else - rather than the money they’re making right now. This is why Verizon bought Tumblr for like a billion dollars or whatever. That was the estimated value of the company, despite it never turning a profit, simply based on the potential revenue from its userbase. It’s also why Verizon ended up selling Tumblr for like 1% of what they paid for it 3 years later. Because they ran off that userbase and the rest weren’t deemed valuable for advertisers.

    eskimofry ,

    If they want to, they can go 100% paywalled. But I guess people like to conveniently forget that YouTube wants to double-dip.

    SeaJ ,

    I was fine with even having a couple very short unskippable ads every other video. Now it is all of them with one in the middle of videos longer than 5 minutes. And then of course the content creator has to put in an ad because YouTube does not pay shit for views.

    gapbetweenus ,

    Like for real, you have all the money in the world and you know what I like and don’t, so why don’t tailor the ads to not annoy the fuck out of me?

    TigrisMorte ,

    "MORE!" - already wealthy people.

    gapbetweenus ,

    But they just get less money from me, because I remove all non organic ads. Would non organic ads be less annoying, they could sell more shit to me.

    TigrisMorte ,

    Paying attention to your needs/desires takes work. They don't want to work, they just want, "MORE!"

    gapbetweenus ,

    Not really, they are clearly spending money and resources to grab my attention and it’s not like the work is done by people who are profiting in the end anyway. Than again - I’m rather anti consume to begin with, so maybe people like me are not a valuable market to beginn with, which is fair.

    TigrisMorte ,

    Which, strangely, was in fact the entirety of my point.

    Appoxo ,
    @Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    We are the more aware portion of the public.
    Take a look at public linear tv for a while during prime time.
    Ad breaks every 30min with a cliffhanger in the movie.
    Atrocious.

    Plopp ,

    I’d much much much rather watch ads for products that are not the least relevant to me. I’m not going to be an active participant in my own manipulation. I’d rather be annoyed.

    Chobbes ,

    There is potentially a world in which you want to see ads because ads themselves do technically provide a service. You do want to know about things you care about and would want to buy… you just don’t want it obnoxiously shoved into your face all of the time in psychologically manipulative ways.

    skulblaka ,
    @skulblaka@startrek.website avatar

    It would also help if I were served ads that even attempt to approach the vicinity of my own interests. That is vanishingly rare.

    glimse ,

    SoundCloud serves me casino ads and ads in Spanish

    I don’t gamble and I don’t speak Spanish

    Sterile_Technique ,
    @Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world avatar

    I don’t gamble and I don’t speak Spanish

    …yet.

    evranch ,

    Look at the way ads used to look “back in the day”, with details about the product, its features, and reasons you would actually want to buy it. New tractor model, this many HP, pulls 4 bottom plow, burns this much diesel per hour, buy now and grow more corn.

    However it turned out that it worked better just to try to trick people into buying a product that they didn’t need, and that’s how we got the ads we have today.

    TwilightVulpine ,

    True, but if corporations don’t care to adhere to ethical standards, then the users shouldn’t need to either.

    Untitled4774 ,

    Because a significant amount of our economy and daily life is predicated on filling it with superfluous crap. These ads are just a race for crap de jour.

    NuXCOM_90Percent ,

    Because that has been tried so many times over the decades.

    The good sites put effort in to curate their ads and make sure they are things their audiences would enjoy. Lots of webcomics STILL have blog posts about doing this. Same with one of the more popular “steam deck” websites.

    The problem is that this doesn’t work. Because people don’t permitlist those sites. They just block everything for the exact same reasons “I pirate it and if I like it I’ll buy it” was always a blatant lie for the vast majority of people (and no, I don’t care who consider themselves exceptions to that).

    So when curated and “good” ads have almost zero benefit over shitty and obnoxious ones? The focus stops being “let’s serve good ads and trust our users to have our backs” and more “What can we do to actually get ANY ad revenue out of this so that we can keep the lights on?”

    lloram239 ,

    Because that has been tried so many times over the decades.

    When? “Will it Blend?” is about the only time I can think of when a company went in an alternative direction and turned their ads into entertainment and was quite successful at that. How many products do even have as little as an official unboxing video? Stuff like the SteamDeck teardown is what I would love every company doing for all their product. But it’s super rare. Why limit your ads to 30sec fake nonsense when you could have 15min of talking about your product in detail?

    They just block everything for the exact same reasons

    There wouldn’t be a need or even the ability to block anything if it wouldn’t be forced on the user. If Youtube had a “show me a random ad” button, I’d click it. I don’t hate ads. I hate bad ads that are forced in my face when I don’t need them. I have plenty of downtime where I wouldn’t mind seeing what new products are around. Gameify that stuff. Make it interesting. Make it explorable. Make it interactive. You have million dollar budget, mountains of collected data and random garbage forced into the users face is the best you can come up with?

    “What can we do to actually get ANY ad revenue out of this so that we can keep the lights on?”

    You are forgetting that there is an advertiser in all this. People that care about getting clicks on ads will have no problem tricking users into accidentally clicking on ads. But why are the advertisers themselves ok with that? If I want to advertise a product I’d not be interested in paying for accidental clicks users were tricked into, I’d be interested in finding users that are interested in the product I want to sell. And I really don’t see current ads doing that very well. They might be better than literally nothing, but I really don’t see them being better than all the potential ways to make better ads.

    NuXCOM_90Percent ,

    Let’s break that down

    When? “Will it Blend?” is about the only time I can think of when a company went in an alternative direction and turned their ads into entertainment and was quite successful at that.

    I mean, if your goal is for the ads to be entertaining, people REALLY liked Chuck (high concentration of chuds aside) and Community. And Soap Operas literally came out of the idea of integrating advertisements into media.

    Also… it is not just a meme that people are increasingly more interested in the ads than the stoppages during the Super Bowl.

    Also, this was a driving force behind Flash. Ads that were “games”.

    But my point is more the efforts to make less obtrusive ads that are visually appealing AND relevant to the viewers.

    How many products do even have as little as an official unboxing video? Stuff like the SteamDeck teardown is what I would love every company doing for all their product. But it’s super rare. Why limit your ads to 30sec fake nonsense when you could have 15min of talking about your product in detail?

    Sorry. You are talking about wanting 15 minute pre-roll ads? Do you want to maybe rethink that? Please. I beg you. Don’t put that evil into the world.

    Also: What you are describing is literally an infomercial. Ron Popeil’s rotisserie oven and bigass syringe come to mind, but also Vince “I got my ass beat by a prostitute” Offer and Billy “Never met anything I didn’t want to snort” Mays (RIP) come to mind.

    Also… with a word from our sponsor, we have Linus “I can’t have a warranty because people would attack my family” Sebastien and LMG. Or any other heavily sponsored review channel. And… people run “sponsor block”. While watching a fucking ad for the latest Samsung phone.

    There wouldn’t be a need or even the ability to block anything if it wouldn’t be forced on the user. If Youtube had a “show me a random ad” button, I’d click it. I don’t hate ads. I hate bad ads that are forced in my face when I don’t need them.

    This is right up there with “I’ll buy it if I like it after I fully watch all twelve seasons”. Sure there are people who would willingly watch ten ads per hour if it meant that others didn’t have to see any. Uhm… Okay, I actually can’t even pretend that is true.

    Or, to be slightly less mocking: Subscription models. Those have proven to be incredibly lucrative to people who “made it big” already. They are a constant struggle for up and comers. Because I would probably throw a few bucks at J Kenji Lopez-Alt every month if it got me a steady feed of recipes and videos. As much as I like him, I can’t see myself doing that for Ethan Chlebowski because he is still nowhere near as established and is very much a “home cook” in terms of “knowledge”.

    Because, trust me, all your favorite content creators would love it if they didn’t need to do any sponsored content or negotiate with brands/marketing firms and just got a giant check in the mail every week from their fans. Very few can pull that off to the degree required to make “quality” content. Otherwise nobody would have ever heard of Raid Shadow Legends and Better Help.

    Or, if I can move to the greater root problem of “how to make money while making media”, let’s look at video games. Some of the pseudo-live games will have a LOT of DLC. Like literally hundreds of cosmetic skins that have no bearing whatsoever on the gameplay and exist almost entirely as a “tip jar” to fund the free content updates. And… people lose their mind. And they use it as an argument that the game is bad because if you wanted to buy all 500 skins for your player character in an FPS that has been getting steady updates for 4 years now, it would cost you 300 dollars. THE HORROR. FUCK LAZY DEVS!!!

    I have plenty of downtime where I wouldn’t mind seeing what new products are around. Gameify that stuff. Make it interesting. Make it explorable. Make it interactive. You have million dollar budget, mountains of collected data and random garbage forced into the users face is the best you can come up with?

    Again, see the entire concept of sponsored media

    You are forgetting that there is an advertiser in all this. People that care about getting clicks on ads will have no problem tricking users into accidentally clicking on ads. But why are the advertisers themselves ok with that? If I want to advertise a product I’d not be interested in paying for accidental clicks users were tricked into, I’d be interested in finding users that are interested in the product I want to sell. And I really don’t see current ads doing that very well. They might be better than literally nothing, but I really don’t see them being better than all the potential ways to make better ads.

    Because advertisement works.

    A few years back, one of the WWE shows basically ran an ad for “fuck time island” or whatever it was called every single commercial break. It was some sort of reality dating show or whatever. And you could watch in real time as the squaredcircle crowd started off by complaining and mocking and very rapidly changed their rules so they could have a discussion thread on it every single week where people were actually interested.

    Or just think about how many times people have muttered 'eat fresh" while reading up on public transit in many cities.

    They might be better than literally nothing, but I really don’t see them being better than all the potential ways to make better ads.

    Again. Attempts have been made for literally decades. Sites curated really quality ads and people still ran adblock. Youtubers try to work with good companies for their sponsorships and people still run sponsor block. Hell, people often won’t even click the affiliate link to buy the product they just watched a 30 minute review of. The “better” way is something that people either haven’t blocked yet or can’t block.

    Draedron ,

    Youtube doesnt make money with the youtuber reviewing the product.

    Appoxo ,
    @Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    They sure are.
    Those creators drive the traffic to the page.

    Rediphile ,

    Which only has value to the corporation if the people driven there watch ads on said page.

    lloram239 ,

    Yes, but that’s self inflicted. They make the rules. They build the software. They decide how ads are presented.

    EngineerGaming ,
    @EngineerGaming@feddit.nl avatar

    A very large chunk of what people consume these days is effectively already ads. Every Youtuber holding a product into the camera is an ad. And people want to watch that. They want to know what new products are out there. It just has to presented appropriately.

    I doubt so - Sponsorblock exists. I guess some don’t mind it because it supports the creators they like directly.

    lloram239 ,

    I don’t mean the sponsor segments, but the rest of the video. LTT, MKBHD and all the other tech channels, every movie and game reviewer and a lot of other stuff is all ads. Every single channel that is focused on showing you a new product is effectively an ad. And people watch it because they are interesting in seeing what new or interesting products are out there. There is no aversion to ads, there is an aversion to bad and annoying ads.

    AWittyUsername ,

    Yeah the last ad I remember seeing was for a movie, that actually looked interesting. But rather than tell me the name in the first 10 or 20 seconds they wanted me to watch to the end before revealing. So I skipped straight out of that.

    Death_Equity ,

    They used to have a popup that told you the movie title and they took that away, so now they get a skip. If I am actually interested, I just google the actor I recognize.

    gian ,

    A 15min video from a Youtuber reviewing a product in detail is way more effective than any regular ad I have ever seen, yet there are almost no ads in that style.

    True. But probably that money does not go to Google but to the Youtuber directly, so for Google this is still a cost.

    ConstipatedWatson ,

    Good things come to those who wait (and block ads)

    camelbeard ,

    Also I’d rather wait without ads than wait with ads, like what’s the point?

    ConstipatedWatson ,

    If you wait in front of an empty screen it’s much more pleasant than being in front of visual and audio spam drilling into your head.

    It’s of course true that YouTube can’t support a website for free, so it would be the correct thing to watch some ads: problems arising are that (A) some ads are malicious (either as misinformation or as viruses or as links to those), (B) they’ve grown from a reasonable amount to an unreasonable one and often interrupted at the worst possible time)

    TWeaK ,

    Apparently this seems to be mainly affecting Chrome users, lol.

    Kbobabob ,

    Well, yeah! Google controls Chrome

    TWeaK ,

    Yeah but what I find funny is that if people had already jumped from Chrome they probably wouldn’t be having problems.

    LemmyIsFantastic , (edited )

    Yes. You people just cost money. Pay, or find a new service. I’m not so sure what’s confusing about this.

    Google isn’t going to let you use the service for free anymore.

    Edit: Reading comprehension seems to be at an all time low. None of this has to do with you liking YouTube or not. Nobody cares if you don’t like Google’s data farming. It’s 100% irrelevant.

    ModernRisk ,
    @ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Is your “you people” targeted at the ones using Adblock?

    If so, here’s another approach; If YouTube actually had a decent ‘premium’ without all the unnecessary “features” in it and the price wasn’t so unreasonable high. People might have paid for it.

    In my country YouTube Premium costs €12/monthly which is €144/yearly and for what? Unnecessary features and to block advertisements while still having in-video advertisements (sponsors). No thank you.

    I will go with uBlock Origin and Sponsorblock.

    LemmyIsFantastic ,

    People love premium. Let’s not confuse you and lemmys average user with the general public.

    $18 a month for family streaming + music is a bargain.

    Also, that’s all great that you use tools to get around it. My point is stop bitching about it or acting like Google is evil for blocking people who refuse to pay 🤷‍♂️

    HowManyNimons ,

    $18 a month for family streaming + music is a bargain.

    Wow your brain really has been taken hostage hasn’t it?

    YouTube is a terrible music platform.

    YouTube videos aren’t worth that much.

    If I’m paying for streaming video content, I prefer to pay the creators directly than let YouTube take an outsize cut.

    YouTube has hundreds of times the reach of any other comparable service. They’re milking their monopoly. They can bite a dick.

    LemmyIsFantastic ,

    👌👍🤣

    Remmock ,

    But you don’t pay them directly. Hardly anybody does, except YouTube and whatever midroll sponsor they can hack a deal with. That’s WHY content creators insisted on paydays through YouTube to begin with and why YouTube is trying to make enough money to pay them all and look profitable.

    HowManyNimons ,

    But I do pay the ones I value directly.

    Remmock ,

    Most Creators have communities where you can voice that desire if they don’t give you the information outright. Some do it through having companies of their own. Merch, coffee, and alcohol are common salespoints. JackSepticeye has a coffee brand and shares a clothing brand with Markiplier. Phillip De Franco also has a coffee brand and a clothing brand. Devin Stone (LegalEagle) doesn’t, but he’s part of the following push:

    Some are on other platforms that more directly reward the content creators, like Nebula. This allows them to have a Patreon-like model where some content is publicly available to drum up interest while other deeper or more long-form content exists behind a paywall. Communicate in communities with your favorite creators to find out how you can show them your support more specifically.

    HowManyNimons ,

    I know. I pay the creators I value by means such as that.

    ModernRisk ,
    @ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    I’d agree that people love the tag-name ‘’Premium’’ therefore might pay for it. I’d also say tech-illiterate people will pay for it because of no knowledge.

    However most of the general public do find the price-tag absurd.

    Also your ‘’€18/monthly is a bargain’’ just makes me think, I’m arguing with a teenager or at least someone who does not pay for themselves (a friend or family member pays for most of things, I suppose). €18/monthly is €216/yearly, that money can be spent elsewhere, important things (food, education and bills).

    Not only that you are essentially saying ‘’Hey, Google. You the one who already owns most of the things, you the owner who’s already A billionaire and have immense data of its users – take more money of me’’. Google is essentially evil in the sense that their track-record isn’t clean. Their ways to gain profit/revenue is not really morally nor ethically right. They can just do it because they are one of the biggest companies in the world.

    I personally do not care if YouTube blocks itself for me, that just means – I will find another way to gain access to music and videos. There will always be ways, always.

    LemmyIsFantastic , (edited )

    I love how people who disagree with your value assessment are all technology illiterate. Just hand wave away all your problems 🤣.

    You’re arguing with a 40 year old with commits to Apache, Python, CNCF, NGinx, TF, and more. So again, your hand waving away because of a different opinion is quite off base.

    To address the comment, none of that matters at all and is irrelevant. Yes you can keep on stealing the content and you shouldn’t be shocked every time Google finds a new way to make it more of a pain in the ass. I’m not sure why that’s a difficult concept for most of the readership here.

    ModernRisk , (edited )
    @ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    “Lets just say that person is tech-illiterate without actual knowledge about the particular person - because I have no counterargument”

    That what I just read from you.

    I’ll just block and ignore you, you’ve proven to be a total troll. Wasted enough of my time and energy on you. Unfortunately.

    ETA: if you’re truly 40 y/o, your behavior doesn’t show it. You are behaving like a teenager with the same mentality/mindset as one.

    Stealing is entirely different than using an AdBlock. With your “knowledge” in technology, you should know that by now. The question of “is piracy stealing” is a whole another topic which can be argued to infiniteness.

    LemmyIsFantastic ,

    👌👍

    HowManyNimons ,

    What in the world is motivating you to justify YouTube’s corpo enshittification? If you’re telling the truth, you’re easily old enough to realise that Baron Google isn’t going to share his wealth with useful idiots. Why would you spend your weekend extolling overpriced subscription services and berating ad avoiders on Google’s behalf?

    LemmyIsFantastic ,

    God forbid I find value provided by successful companies. THE HORROR!

    HowManyNimons ,

    But why the finger wagging? I get that you’d drop in and say “I prefer to pay for premium rather than play cat-and-mouse with Google” but that point was made long ago.

    LemmyIsFantastic ,

    Finger wagging? I came in and said it’s completely expected for Google to block users and this is somehow controversial.

    HowManyNimons ,

    No, you came here to order us to “Pay, or use a different service”. Are you being paid by Google to do this?

    LemmyIsFantastic ,

    I have to be paid to accept reality? Wew lad what really you must live in.

    HowManyNimons ,

    I’m asking what is motivating you. Why do you seem to have nothing but sarcasm to respond with?

    Remmock ,

    I don’t generally agree with the corporate side of the argument, but financial support for the platform itself has to come from somewhere.

    Rooki ,
    @Rooki@lemmy.world avatar

    Please tell google then, if we allow ads, then dont shoot at us 10 unskippable ads.

    1 ad per video < 10 minutes. 2 ads per video > 10 < 20. 4 ads per video > 20 +2 ads per extra 10 minutes

    Ads maximum length of 30 seconds. Ads should be monitored for anything illegal or harmfull for the viewer ( Scams, Malicious websites … )

    If google chose to do this instead of every minutes 2 unskippable ads ( or soon 5 ) i would think, there would be less adblock users on youtube. And with that you support more your favorite creator ( if you want to really support him, just give him some bucks on patreon or so ). Or just suggest him to go to any other video hosting website ( like peertube ) then users will have 0 ads and you can get support over donations.

    LemmyIsFantastic ,

    None of any of that matters.

    If you don’t like it you can move along. That’s what is being said.

    TheEntity ,

    We can simultaneously move along and criticize their decisions as exploitative double-dipping on their users. Criticizing them thankfully doesn't require a subscription, or even an account.

    Rooki ,
    @Rooki@lemmy.world avatar

    In a nutshell a ad blocker is just a form of protest.

    TheEntity ,

    And yet they were perfectly okay with providing the service for free while they were still busy starving off the competition. No tears for Google shall be shed here.

    LemmyIsFantastic ,

    What? They are exactly a billion video and comment streaming platforms.

    And I’m not telling you to have years for Google. I’m highlighting that the free ride is over. Pay or use a different service.

    eltrain123 ,

    If google stops strip mining my data when I pay for their service, I’d do it in a heartbeat. I’m not going to pay to be someone’s product.

    LemmyIsFantastic ,

    Then don’t be shocked when they start putting up walls. It’s shocking to me how many people take this as some kind of right and act indignant and make up every excuse under the sun to justify why YouTube should cater to pirates 🤣

    DemSpud ,

    Adblocking isn’t piracy though…

    camelbeard ,

    “If buying isn’t owning, piracy isn’t stealing”

    nicetriangle ,

    Ad blocking is not piracy. That's like saying that muting ads on broadcast TV is piracy. Get the boot out of your mouth.

    LemmyIsFantastic ,

    You are very much stealing the right to distribution and revenue for creators as well as YouTube.

    It’s amazing to see folks still try this tired argument.

    nicetriangle , (edited )

    You are very much stealing

    No, no you are not. Words have meanings.

    LemmyIsFantastic ,

    Yes. You don’t believe rights can be stolen?

    kick_out_the_jams ,

    They can pry the mute button from my cold dead heads.

    LemmyIsFantastic ,

    Is that a part of the terms of use? Do you honestly believe that would be enforced under US law? Irrelevant then.

    kick_out_the_jams ,

    Usually a remote is standard issue with a TV, most(all?) of them have a mute button.

    LemmyIsFantastic ,

    Irrelevant.

    eskimofry ,

    Lol jokes on you. They wouldn’t dare make it completely paywalled.

    LemmyIsFantastic ,

    👌

    TimeSquirrel ,
    @TimeSquirrel@kbin.social avatar

    I bet you think "right click, inspect, delete <element>" is "piracy" too.

    LemmyIsFantastic ,

    If you’re breaking the terms of service to access the service for free absolutely. People have a right to distribute their content as they see fit within the confines of the law. You’re stealing that right. You’d all lose your shit if companies just started ignoring GPL and you all certainly would be calling it theft.

    takeda ,

    Oh, go ahead and let them place YouTube behind the paywall. We need some new players in this area.

    I’m the product in the current YouTube business model, why should I care about their profits?

    Also I promise I won’t be whining if YouTube shuts down. I will be celebrating. For now, as they hold monopoly, I will watch them however I wish and help anyone else to do the same.

    • Firefox + uBlock - desktop
    • ReVanced, NewPipe - phone
    • SnartTube - TV
    LemmyIsFantastic ,

    I never said you should care 🤷‍♂️

    I said you shouldn’t be shocked when freeloaders continue to be locked down.

    HowManyNimons ,

    Thank you for your concern, but I have other ways of avoiding YouTube’s ads and associated punishments.

    LemmyIsFantastic ,

    Neat. None of you really understand the point or can read.

    Don’t expect YouTube to cater to you people who just steal 🤷‍♂️

    Whats so complicated?

    ModernRisk ,
    @ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    It is sad that it took me so long but you’re a troll. 100%.

    You are a fine example of a troll. Well played.

    LemmyIsFantastic ,

    👌👍 it’s amazing to me how many people can’t read and have turned this into a complicated and personal thing

    Aielman15 ,
    @Aielman15@lemmy.world avatar

    Google is already making millions by profiling its users and stealing their data. All these YT changes are not caused by them losing money, but by them not growing enough to please their (multi-millionaires) investors.

    (1) I’m not shedding any tears for a corporation that’s big enough to have more money that I’ll ever see in ten lifetimes.

    (2) I’m not paying for a “Premium” experience to allow them to keep profiling me (and thus gain more money). They are already gaining money off me, they don’t need my premium subscription.

    (3) You should stop arguing in favour of exploitative big corporations that don’t even know you and are probably actively exploiting you in this very moment.

    LemmyIsFantastic ,

    What does any of that have to with what I said? Great, you don’t like yt, good for you. Who is asking you to shed a tear?

    YT doesn’t want freeloaders. Pay up, see ads, or play cat and mouse avoiding them.

    Aielman15 ,
    @Aielman15@lemmy.world avatar

    I’m not a freeloader because Google is already making a profit off me by profiling me. They are just being greedy and asking for more. If you are happy donating your hard-earned money to the trillion-dollars corporation that’s exploiting you, good for you. I am a sane individual and I’d rather put that money to good use. In fact, by donating to the WWF, I’m spending less money yearly than a YT premium subscriber, and I’m making someone happy that deserves it more than Google’s sleazy investors.

    LemmyIsFantastic ,

    So you go into restaurants and demand half priced food? The price is the price. Pay it out deal with Google making your videos slow. I’m really not sure how all of you are turning this a value thing. It’s utterly irrelevant.

    Aielman15 ,
    @Aielman15@lemmy.world avatar

    Your argument falls flat the moment you realize an alternative to YT doesn’t exist because all these bit corporations have spent years either starving off or buying the competition, and they are now happily enjoying the monopoly they have created.

    I don’t expect Google to ever cater to me, and I fully expect them to keep their war going against AdBlock. It’s their job to make more money, after all. But the point is, it’s their job, not mine. I’ll keep doing what I think I rightfully deserve, which is, watch a few videos without the hassle of ads provided by the big corporation that has taken my data without my consent, sold it to the highest bidder, and made a fuckload of money off it.

    LemmyIsFantastic ,

    Oh so tiktok isn’t real and competing with YT? And twitch is just in my imagination? And I guess the curiosity stream is fake too!

    Aielman15 ,
    @Aielman15@lemmy.world avatar

    I’m confused about what you’re trying to say, because none of those are YT alternatives.

    TikTok is centered on short videos. Twitch is a platform for streamers, mainly for video game content creators. Curiosity Stream is a platform hosting professional documentaries and science shows, it’s great but it has nothing to do with the amateurish nature of YT content.

    All of those cater to a specific niche of YT (YT shorts, video game let’s play, and science channels, respectively), but there’s a huge chunk of content that doesn’t appear on any of those services, but is present and thriving on YT.

    gian ,

    YT doesn’t want freeloaders

    Nobody is a freeloader on Youtube (or any other Google app)

    LemmyIsFantastic ,

    If you’re blocking ads you are

    gian ,

    That assuming that they don’t harvest any data.

    LemmyIsFantastic ,

    Irrelevant.

    gian ,

    Fine, I understand. You think that your personal data and preferences have no value for Google (or any other service).
    Good for you.

    LemmyIsFantastic ,

    Nope. Irrelevant.

    nicetriangle ,

    They had premium light which gave you just a no ad experience and nothing else for about $7/mo. Totally reasonable, I was happy to pay it. Then right at the same time they started going nuclear on ad blocking, they killed that plan and forced everyone to move to a plan that costs about 70% more and added a bunch of stuff I didn't ask for and will never use. They had those added services available already prior to that change. If I had wanted them I'd already be subscribing. This was just a greedy cash grab.

    They'll just keep jacking the price up and decreasing the quality of service and mining your data and annoying you with ads and algorithmic bullshit just up until they can't anymore and it stops being optimally profitable. A lot of people will just put up with it, but they lost me as a customer.

    LemmyIsFantastic ,

    Correct. Also irrelevant. All of it.

    nicetriangle ,

    It is honestly embarrassing as shit spending 3 hours of your time on a weekend arguing with like a dozen people in defense of one of the highest market cap megacorps in the world. Get a hobby dude.

    LemmyIsFantastic ,

    I assure you it’s been like 30m of time between shits. If you are angry enough to be checking the history at least get it right.

    gian ,

    Yes. You people just cost money. Pay, or find a new service. I’m not so sure what’s confusing about this.

    I already pay, with my data. They stop to harvest data, I pay the service.

    Google isn’t going to let you use the service for free anymore.

    And I am not going to pay to be the product.

    LemmyIsFantastic ,

    You 👏 don’t 👏 dictate 👏 the 👏 terms 👏 and 👏 price 👏👏.

    My God, you people 🤦‍♂️.

    gian ,

    Maybe not the price, but the terms yes, at least partially, which are that I use an adblocker or I don’t use the service. Or pay for a service in which I am the customer and not the product.

    And I am really curious to see how Google can force me to use Youtube on its terms when I can simply stop using it.

    LemmyIsFantastic ,

    What a crazy round about she desperate way to describe being forced off a service lol

    gian ,

    Following your logic, I am forced off every service I don’t use because I don’t need it. Interesting.

    LemmyIsFantastic ,

    👌👍

    arvere ,

    I agree with you. Google is a company and so will do as much as they can to provide as little and to profit as much as possible.

    if one wants to use their products, they have to play their game. by either paying (with money and or data, regardless if it’s overpriced) or “cheating” around that - as we do with literally everything else in the free market system, to many other monopolistic shady companies

    what’s interesting to see around here is this sense of self entitlement, as if Google owed them anything, and of naivety, as if a company would ever provide a service (which is very costly) for absolutely free. video streaming is not an essential service and didn’t exist until very recently

    it may come as a shock, but you don’t need to use any service such as YouTube to survive and you only do because you want to and find value in it (whether to learn new skills or watch people reacting to cats)

    the underlying problem here which all of you are actually mad about is the system where technology and knowledge belongs to giant hoarding dragons instead of the people who made it. that’s where we all should be focusing our energy on.

    in the meantime, we just keep cheating… and if the cheats fail, we move on to other things

    LemmyIsFantastic ,

    One rational person in a sea of anger.

    aniki ,

    I don’t understand how anyone can put up with youtube without premium. Every time I visit a friends house I am shocked at the level of bullshit they are ok with. I’d pay a lot more than 10 bucks.

    bjoern_tantau ,
    @bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de avatar

    Youtube is my reminder on new browser installs to install Ublock Origin. And I saw this newest effort to block it once. Updated Ublock, restarted the browser and it was gone again.

    noodlejetski ,

    I don’t understand how anyone can put up with youtube without premium

    piped.video

    13esq ,

    A couple of five second ads doesn’t bother me at all.

    I’m from a generation that had no pause or fast forward on the TV before the internet. Every fifteen minutes or so you’d have near enough five minutes of ads. YouTube ads are nothing by comparison.

    $10 a month isn’t a huge amount, but it’s $120 saved by the end of the year that I’d rather spend on something else.

    SlopppyEngineer ,

    I’m from a generation that had state television where there were no ads at all. I liked it that way.

    TWeaK ,

    Exactly. Starting from the premise that these services deserve the revenue from ads is completely wrong. As advertising has grown, so has corporate greed in extracting more value from users while providing a worse service.

    HowManyNimons ,

    Starting from the premise that we owe corporations the opportunity to subject us to mental abuse for any reason is the problem. Let’s not forget what ads are and how they work.

    TWeaK ,

    I agree with you for the most part, but at the same time people need a way to find the things they want. There are lots of products and services that genuinely make life better, but without advertising you may never even know what you’re missing.

    That position is completely in the distance behind where we are now, with the pure exploitation and manipulative marketing, but it’s still a valid point.

    HowManyNimons ,

    That’s valid.

    TWeaK ,

    Thank you.

    My rule of thumb has always been, since I was a child: if it’s advertised on TV, it probably isn’t that good.

    TV advertising is expensive. The business needs to pay for that advertising, and they also expect to profit from it. Thus, the customers have to pay for the advertising, the profits to the business for the advertising, as well as the product, and the profits to the business for the product. So, in general, if it’s advertised on TV it’s probably not worth what they want you to pay.

    Recently there’s been an online therapy service that has grown massively called Better Health. It sounds really good, and content producers I like have apparently thought the same and started advertising it themselves - Behind the Bastards host Robert Evans actually voices an ad for them on his own podcast. However, I’ve also recently seen advertisements for their service on TV. Now, I’m wary, and I’m just waiting for what I think will be the inevitable controversy over their service.

    So yeah, advertising has some valid purpose, but it’s also basically complete and totally open warfare. Marketing executives are probably worse than estate agents at this point. At the same time, a person just promoting their idea might not be so villainous - at least right now, who knows what they’ll do later?

    13esq ,

    In the UK you have to pay the TV licence for state television, so it’s swings and roundabouts.

    Infiltrated_ad8271 ,
    @Infiltrated_ad8271@kbin.social avatar

    I’m from a generation that had no pause or fast forward on the TV before the internet.

    Me too, but using ublock for a while it's easy and quick to become intolerant of ads.

    13esq ,

    I do understand the appeal but I also quite like a lot of the smaller content creators and I think they deserve to get paid.

    Pirating from a corporation that makes several millions in profits is one thing, I’m not going to pick the pockets of my fellow man.

    Infiltrated_ad8271 ,
    @Infiltrated_ad8271@kbin.social avatar

    Ethically it is not so easy, you are also giving money to the evil google. The ideal is to donate directly, so they are not subject to youtube's stingy payments or demonetizations.

    13esq ,

    I agree. But I’d rather pay my fellow man even if it means corporate fat cats are also getting a slice.

    I did receive a Project Farm t-shirt as a gift which was nice, but I unfortunately don’t have the resources to subscribe to each and every patreon so I’ll watch the ads in lieu.

    nicetriangle ,

    I'm from that generation too and as soon as I moved out of my folks' house I never subscribed to cable or watched broadcast TV because that constant onslaught of advertising was offensive and I didn't want it in my home.

    Plopp ,

    I’m from a country where we barely had ads on TV back in the day, and even now it’s nowhere near as bad as on American TV. I’ve tried watching US channels online and it’s feels like nothing but an insult. YouTube is bad enough for me.

    HopeOfTheGunblade ,
    @HopeOfTheGunblade@kbin.social avatar

    I mean I had that too, but fuck ads. All my homies hate ads.

    detinu ,

    I’d happily pay for premium as I use YouTube religiously. But it’s Google so fuck them, they already process my information in order to show me ads and profit off of my data. I think that’s payment enough, so I’ll just find any free way possible to watch YouTube without ads.

    Kbobabob ,

    so fuck them, they already process my information in order to show me ads and profit off of my data.

    So you don’t have any services like Netflix, Hulu, etc? I can guarantee they do the same things in one way or another.

    Steak ,

    Or just use an adblocker and save the $$

    HowManyNimons ,

    If I started waving little billboards in front of your face, how much would you pay me to go away?

    GentlemanLoser ,

    But muh free stuff

    Thassodar ,

    I dun wan it.

    • Some Idiot from GoT, probably.
    Kbobabob ,

    Do you have anything to offer besides the billboard in my face? If not, you get dropped.

    Treczoks ,

    Easy: Just use the right browser and adblocker, and you basically have premium, but without the ads they still throw at you.

    Stovetop ,

    I was a day 1 subscriber of Google Play Music All Access, which I converted into a family plan when that was available, and was told that the rate I was paying would be grandfathered in. I didn’t like the switch to YouTube Music, but it did the job and came with ad-free YouTube, so I was okay with it.

    But then they told me that they were changing the $14.99/mo I was paying to $22.99/mo despite being grandfathered in, a more than 50% increase, and I said fuck that. Unsubbed, swapped to Spotify, and never looked back.

    Would I pay for just ad-free YouTube? Maybe. But not for almost $300 each year. I’m keeping Spotify, so if Google made a plan for no ads for like …$1 or $2 per month?, maybe then I’d consider going back.

    The end result now though is that I just use YouTube less.

    slumberlust ,

    I was/am in the exact same boat, but share the subscription three ways (wife+brother) so the numbers are still somewhat favorable given our music and YouTube usage as a household.

    Pons_Aelius ,

    A new wave of slowdowns is hitting users, with the only resolutions being disabling the ad blocker or upgrading to premium.

    Or just switching to ublock origin.

    Or just switching to newpipe.

    Or just switching to freetube.

    etc

    etc

    etc

    HolyDiver ,

    how do those youtube clients work? i thought YouTube was very closed source

    Pons_Aelius ,

    No expert but I believe they access the API directly.

    anon5621 ,

    No,it’s exactly parser. github.com/TeamNewPipe/NewPipeExtractor

    puppy ,

    AFAIK NewPipe parses the regular YouTube website and only extracts the useful bits.

    FrameXX ,

    Some probably use an API of some sort, because SmartTube for Android TV even synchronises your watch history, subscriptions, you login with your google account etc…

    FlavoredButtHair ,
    @FlavoredButtHair@lemmy.world avatar

    Or downloading videos to watch later? Does Plex recognize YouTube videos?

    nicetriangle ,

    Plex does not recognize them in terms of pulling down metadata but you can still organize them in folders and browse that way. I find the Plex route is a healthier way to engage with video content than platforms that just keep serving you whatever the algorithm thinks will keep you peeled to the screen. It's more intentional and less of a passive consumption kinda thing.

    spiderman ,

    but won’t it be hassle to follow that?

    quirzle ,
    @quirzle@kbin.social avatar

    tl;dr: Yes, but probably takes some effort for most content.

    Plex will play the files, but metadata is hit or miss. If it's something that's on thetvdb or themoviedb, it can be matched as a series or movie, respectively. With some effort, you could also probably include all the relevant metadata when downloading the videos, then have plex use local metadata, which could cover anything not big enough for the big metadata providers.

    I think it's also possible to find plug-ins/scripts that will pull metadata directly from youtube, but I've had bad luck relying on that stuff and then development stopping, so I avoid it these days.

    Excrubulent ,
    @Excrubulent@slrpnk.net avatar

    I have ublock origin on firefox and it’s really bad for me currently. This has traditionally been the good combo I believe.

    Not just slowing down, but stopping, then restarting after skipping a few seconds that you cannot access no matter what.

    For now the best solution I’ve found is to copy the video url, open potplayer and just hit the paste command and the video runs flawlessly.

    So they’ll have to close that loophole eventually, which means enshittifying the video streaming protocol for everything that isn’t the native web viewer, which will inconvenience more people who were used to something working, leading to another workaround, leading to…

    Youtube is gradually accelerating their enshittification. I’m looking forward to when it comes to a real head. Too many serious interested parties rely on it. I don’t know if peertube will be the first fallback, but I’m sure it’ll get a big bump.

    Cypher ,

    Change your useragent to Chrome.

    It breaks the detection of your adblocker… for now.

    Mkengine ,

    Is it possible to change the user agent just for specific websites? Do you have a recommendation?

    Redjard ,
    @Redjard@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    yes, I use User-Agent Switcher by Erin Schlarb

    Latuga17 ,

    YouTube revanced has also been working for me

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