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twistypencil ,

So president will be decided by the Sperm Court. Autocorrect definitely not worth fixing

HurlingDurling ,
@HurlingDurling@lemmy.world avatar

Honest question.

Now that Biden is out, can any Democrat run for election? Or is Kamala it?

tal , (edited )
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

Biden has endorsed Harris.

There’s no law governing this. Depends on what the Democratic Party does. May be that it’s decided internally on Harris. No way to know for certain.

I expect that we will find out soon, because whoever runs has very little time to do so, so the Democrats cannot screw around here – they need to get a pick in place quickly and get the campaign moving.

Gretchen Whitmer and Gavin Newsom, the other two frontrunners I’ve seen mentioned, have previously said that they will not run against Harris if she wants it. So it’s probably Harris’s call.

Zaktor ,

The Democrats officially choose their nominee at the convention (or maybe a virtual vote this year). There will be only one ticket running for the Democrats, but someone other than Harris could try to get selected. It’s really unlikely though, as rejecting Harris would be very damaging to the party and two major competitors already said they wouldn’t try to run against her.

SpaceCowboy ,
@SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

Now that Biden is out, can any Democrat run for election?

Yes. In theory.

Or is Kamala it?

Yes. In reality.

Bonskreeskreeskree ,

Party before country. Interesting wording.

ShepherdPie ,

It’s very clear that this is how they’ve run things for quite a while now. It’s why Clinton and Biden were the nominees in the first place and why Trump won in 2016 and nearly again in 2020.

xhieron ,
@xhieron@lemmy.world avatar

Well congratulations “liberals”, bots, propagandists, defeatists. You win. If Trump had beaten Biden, it would have been Biden’s fault, along with the party. Now the party gets to share the blame with you. You lot gambled this for the rest of us. Let’s hope your bet pays off. Open your wallets and hit the pavement. If you’re a real person and you pitched a fit so this would happen, you got what you wanted. Act like it. Your lobbying won you an obligation to campaign. If you were on social media begging for Biden to quit, now you owe the time you spent here to Harris’s campaign (or whomever the fuck they nominate).

You bought it. You own it.

audiomodder ,

You must be too young to remember Clinton losing to Trump and rather than “oh this is Clinton and the party’s fault”, they blamed it all on “Bernie bros” despite there being absolutely no data to back it up.

If I’ve learned anything in my decades on this earth, it’s that the DNC will fuck everything up, and they will blame anything bad that happens on the progressive wing of the party.

SpaceCowboy ,
@SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

I hate the anti-Biden bots and bot-curious types as much as you do. But it was Biden’s decision and I doubt anything said on social media influenced that decision. There’s the debate performance, the polling data, the fact that he is actually old and isn’t going to be able to do two rallies per day for the next 100 days while also doing the job of President. Those were the real world factors that likely influenced Biden more than anything on social media.

I was all in on saying nice things about Biden and trying to downplay the age problem for the next 100 days. Whatever it takes to prevent Trump from getting back into the Whitehouse.

But Kamala Harris has a slightly better chance than Biden. I think young people value identity politics too much… but we got just over 100 days left so we can talk about that later. For now… hello fellow young people, don’t you want to be a part of history and vote for the first woman President of the US? Vote Harris!

I’ll miss the Dark Brandon memes… but now we’re pushing coconut memes? Is that what we’re doing now?

Whatever it takes to prevent Trump from getting back into the Whitehouse.

ralphio ,

Honestly the biggest problem Biden had was that all his funding dried up after the debate.

www.nytimes.com/2024/07/…/biden-fundraising.html

Regardless of who you think would win in a vacuum you gotta acknowledge this.

Speculater ,
@Speculater@lemmy.world avatar

I suspended my donations with a memo that they need to seriously consider running someone else. I’ll vote for Harris, but I’m not excited for her.

thisbenzingring ,

I think she’s as fine a candidate as we’re likely to get. The biggest bonus is breaking the glass ceiling, once and for ever. Not just a woman but a woman of a colorful heredity. It will be the best thing to happen in this era of bullshit politics.

coffee_with_cream ,

No talk of issues or positions here. Just “her sex and skin color.” Maybe that will get some people out to vote, but they did the same thing for Hillary and it did not work. “First woman president, she deserves it”

chiliedogg ,

Gretchen Whitmer would be an interesting choice. She would probably deliver Michigan and free up resources for the other states that matter.

systemglitch ,

I don’t know, that sounds awfully sexist and racist. There are a thousand things more important about a person than their heritage and sex.

VanillaBean ,

The biggest problem he had was getting old.

FlexibleToast ,

This means Harris shouldn’t have an advantage. She only had the advantage that she could use the funds that Biden raised.

ralphio ,

Presumably the donations will start coming back in now that Biden is out.

FlexibleToast ,

But now they can go to whomever the new candidate is.

ralphio ,

Ah OK I see what you’re saying. I misunderstood.

ashok36 ,

I stopped donating after the debate. I sent a donation today for 3x my usual. If they only respond to money, then withholding it is the only way to make them listen.

TechNerdWizard42 ,

Disliked Biden, hate Kamala. Voted for them. Kamala and anyone else, nope.

They need someone hopey and feely like a 2008 Obama. If they don’t find that, the Dems are toast. And I can’t think of any mainstream politician that could get that reaction apart from maybe AOC. But that would get just as many MAGAs on the other side out to vote and they’d still lose.

You need empowering Democrat that is neutral to the MTG loving republicans.

Maybe Newsom? But if I had to bet it will be Kamala and another woman or minority to get the double whammy and they’ll surely lose.

jvw ,

You need empowering Democrat that is neutral to the MTG loving republicans.

No, we don’t. Those people will never vote Democratic anyway, so F them.

Mobilize the base. Play to the base.

SpaceCowboy ,
@SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

Yeah it will hopefully energize the younger base… “Be a part of history and vote for the first woman President!”

But they do need to sway some independent votes too.

But if they go hard on reproductive rights hard they can sway a lot of women voters (and some men too). There are a lot of women that normally vote GOP that may vote for Harris on reproductive rights, even though they will never admit it publicly. Sure Biden would press on that too, but a woman making an argument for her rights may be more effective.

Also if the GOP starts blowing on their racist dog whistles and show their true selves, they will lose a lot of independents. Of course the GOP could show some discipline HAHAHAA, sorry couldn’t finish that sentence. There’s already Kamala Birther memes making the rounds on Facebook as we speak.

Today ,

What if he stepped aside today and Harris could run as the incumbent?

AmidFuror ,

That's not really how the incumbent advantage works. Voters need to see the person as the incumbent and not want to rock the boat.

gAlienLifeform ,
@gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world avatar

I mean, this does create the obvious question - “If Biden is too old to run for President, isn’t he too old to be president? Doesn’t he care about the safety of America [blah blah Fox News talking points blah]”

I personally think it’s fine because the job of President mostly gets done by the team of staffers around the White House, but we’ll need a good answer for that question when a reporter asks it

wjrii ,

It won’t satisfy the likes of Trump or Mike Johnson, obviously, but “enough energy to be president for six months” and “enough energy to be president for six months and simultaneously run a presidential campaign capable of winning” is not a particularly difficult distinction to draw, IMHO.

Emperor ,
@Emperor@feddit.uk avatar

It would take the sting out of people not warning to vote for the first female president if there already was one.

Hello_there ,

I'm going to donate to DNC to signal that this was a good idea

MeThisGuy ,

straight shooter

hotpot8toe ,

Update: He endorsed Harris: nitter.poast.org/JoeBiden/…/1815087772216303933#m

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Any moment now, the ‘don’t vote for Biden’ group will be in here telling us not to vote for Harris. And if it isn’t Harris, they’ll tell us not to vote for whoever it is.

Anything but stop the dictator and his plan to commit genocide against Latinos and queer people.

PythagreousTitties ,

I’m really hoping if Harris still has to be on the ticket that she’ll stay VP. It would be nice to have a decent prez option.

But I’ll be voting anti trump either way.

Hegar ,
@Hegar@fedia.io avatar

It would be nice to have a decent prez option.

It would also be nice not to live on a burning planet controlled by decrepit rich psychopaths but I don't think either of us will be getting what we want.

I'll still vote for whatever the democrats decide to run, of course, since minimizing or maximizing fascists' access to government is the only question on the ballot this election.

ToastedPlanet ,

I didn’t want to believe it but they’re already in the comments. We need to be vocal. Kamala is a great candidate.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Of course they are. They started when it was just rumored that Biden would drop out.

baronvonj ,
@baronvonj@lemmy.world avatar

‘Beating the Republican Fascist agenda’ is a great candidate. I don’t really care how that is spelled on the ballot.

Zachariah ,
@Zachariah@lemmy.world avatar

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/94f527ab-0972-44d3-bb20-4a449a055bf0.jpeg

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I’ll vote for virtually anyone the Democrats nominate to stop the genocidal dictator, but my first choice, of course, will always be-

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/8e944d30-b33a-4215-ad07-afe8248d8bbb.png

Lost_My_Mind ,

Alright, fuck it. I’LL run. I’m 40, nobody knows me so they don’t hate me, I think Hitler was bad, and I’ll let you guys smoke weed and keep your pronouns.

And for the republicans in the room, I’m not going to send anyone to take your guns. That sounds like a bad idea, that we already saw play out in Waco TX. Nobody wants that.

And for all the cats registered as undecided parties…meow meow meow meow meow. Meow meow MEOW MEOW MEOW!!! HISSS HISSSSS HISSSSSS clickclickclickclickclickclick…purrrr purrrr purrrr purrrrr purrrrrr.

And to all the mentally crazy voters, HEYMYNAMESBOBANDIMHERETOMAKEEVERYBODYSAFEFROMTHELIZARDPEOPLEFROMEATINGOURBRAINSANDTHEGOVERNMENTPOTBELLIEDPIGSBACONVIVALEREVOLUTION!!!

And to the dyslexic voters, Helol hwo aer yuo?

queue ,
@queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

That’s my main deciding point, and why I’m happy Biden stepped down. I didn’t think he’d win the Rust Belt. Harris might.

My main vote is “Not Trump’s Fascism.”

kautau ,

I will absolutely vote whoever is opposite of trump on the ticket. But a black woman winning the rust belt? That would be wild. I’m all for it, mind you, but that would be some crazy shit.

njm1314 ,

If she she’s was a great candidate she would have been the candidate 4 years ago.

TexasDrunk ,

So she hasn’t gained any knowledge or experience in the last 4 years? We’re all just born with all the knowledge and experience we will ever have?

njm1314 ,

Honestly, doubt it.

ToastedPlanet ,

She was on the ticket 4 years ago. She is VP. Now she’s on top. Kamala 2024!

njm1314 ,

I’m concerned you couldn’t grasp that by candidate we were talking about the Presidential candidate.

bolexforsoup ,

Fuck ooooffffffffff my god these flippant bullshit one liners get so old

rebelsimile ,

If you’d applied this logic to trump would have even posted this?

njm1314 ,

Wha… what? What does that even mean?

Speculater ,
@Speculater@lemmy.world avatar

How is she a good candidate? She stood against everything progressives stand for as a prosecutor and hasn’t apologized or clarified that she supports marijuana legalization, abolition of for-profit prisons, or disproportionately prosecuting minorities.

elbucho ,
@elbucho@lemmy.world avatar

What the fuck are you talking about? When she was running for president in 2019, she released detailed plans about how she would legalize marijuana, abolish private prisons, and reform the carceral system.

I get that you probably weren’t aware of her evolved stance on these things, but a single google search could have shown you that you were incorrect on every single point you made.

Speculater ,
@Speculater@lemmy.world avatar

And I’m happy to be wrong about her evolved state. Thanks.

barkingspiders ,

This is the bravest comment I’ve seen today, you deserve an internet prize 🏆

Feathercrown ,

I love this site

octopus_ink ,

What the fuck are you talking about? When she was running for president in 2019, she released detailed plans about how she would legalize marijuana, abolish private prisons, and reform the carceral system.

Has she done those things? (I sincerely don’t know.)

I’ve heard that she’s revised her stances, but even in 2019 there was some question regarding the sincerity of her evolving viewpoints.

We’re likely to get 8 years of her if she wins, so I think it’s entirely reasonable to want her to affirm her stances in some of these areas. We won’t be able to move any further left than she allows. Sure, she’s not Trump, and I’m going to vote for her. It would be nice to have hope she’ll do more than just move right more slowly than Trump though.

She says very little, and nothing convincing, about some of the most serious charges against her, like that she fought hard to keep innocents in prison and failed to fight hard against corrupt cops.

If elected president, Harris seems as likely as any of her Democratic rivals, and far more likely than Donald Trump, to pursue a criminal-justice-reform agenda that overlaps with policies I favor as a civil libertarian. And I do not hold it against Harris that as a municipal and state official she enforced many laws that I regard as unjust. All the candidates now running for president will, if elected, preside over the enforcement of some laws that they and I regard as unjust.

But like her rivals, the reforms that Harris would sign into law as president would depend mostly on what Democrats in Congress could get to her desk. Far more important is how she would preside over a federal legal system and bureaucracy that is prone to frequent abuses. And her record casts significant doubts about whether she can be trusted to oversee federal law enforcement, the military, intelligence agencies, the detention of foreign prisoners, and more.

elbucho ,
@elbucho@lemmy.world avatar

I mean, she’ll have ample opportunity to expound on that. But prison reform and legalizing marijuana were platforms she ran on in 2019. I haven’t seen anything from her that would indicate she’s reversed her position since then.

ToastedPlanet ,

politifact.com/…/were-tulsi-gabbards-attacks-kama…

Harris “put over 1,500 people in jail for marijuana violations and then laughed about it when she was asked if she ever smoked marijuana.”

Notably, the figures dropped dramatically during Harris’ tenure, from 817 marijuana-related admissions in her first year in office to 137 in her last.

She laughed because it was funny and I’m tired of people telling me it’s not. 💥 🔫

She’s been a prosecutor, senator, and now VP. She has the experience. She can speak in complete sentences. She is a neo-liberal but that was a given. All Democratic candidates since Clinton have been neo-liberals. The idea that Kamala is anti-progressive is false.

SpaceCowboy ,
@SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

Yeah it is ridiculous. Essentially “why didn’t you legalize marijuana when you were AG?” Because that job isn’t about changing the laws it’s about prosecuting the law.

Bad enough SCOTUS is changing laws on a whim (instead of interpreting which is their actual job) we shouldn’t be expecting everyone on every level just disregard laws they disagree with. I agree that marijuana criminalization is stupid and should be repealed, but push for legislators to change the law rather than push for more people to ignore the law.

Steve ,

https://startrek.website/pictrs/image/d586fb6d-7bf7-4486-9738-e56b933dec32.png

fine_sandy_bottom ,

Of course they are. It’s infuriating. Even the “anyone but trump” idiots undermines confidence in Kamala.

queue , (edited )
@queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I may be a weirdo, but I was on the “I’d consider not voting for Biden.” but I’m currently more interested in Harris. Nowhere near as bad of a track record as Biden had. From being racist, to supporting rapists getting into the Supreme Court, to backing massive removal of constitutional rights.

Harris’ record isn’t perfect, and while I’m in California, I don’t recall any bills she pushed/voted for as Senator that was anything as bad as the USA PATRIOT Act. I don’t like her record as our AG at all, but Senator is a different story.

If she picks a good VP pick, I’d be down. I’m wanting maybe Newsom, but that’s just he biggest Democrat I know, as he’s my Governor.

Edit: I don’t know how to make it clear: I live in California. If I voted for a ham sandwich for oresident it would have the same impact as voting for Biden. My state’s EC is clear and chosen, and popular vote doesn’t decide the president otherwise we’d never have Trump. I was considering going Greens, but I’m looking forward to Harris. Get mad at undecideds in Swing States and Trump supporters, not a registered Democrat in California.

RubberElectrons ,
@RubberElectrons@lemmy.world avatar

Felt the same, both about her and Newsom.

acosmichippo ,
@acosmichippo@lemmy.world avatar

you were considering not voting for Biden when Trump was the alternative?

kylie_kraft ,

A very common position among the lemmy crowd, unfortunately. I really don’t expect much to change either, just swap Harris for Biden in the hit pieces.

acosmichippo ,
@acosmichippo@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve disengaged from political news and discussion over the last few years for my mental health, and this confirms that was the right move. shit is driving me crazy.

queue ,
@queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I don’t know how to make it clear: I live in California. If I voted for a ham sandwich for president it would have the same impact as voting for Biden. My state’s EC is clear and chosen, and popular vote doesn’t decide the president otherwise we’d never have Trump. I was considering going Greens, but I’m looking forward to Harris. Get mad at undecideds in Swing States and Trump supporters, not a registered Democrat in California.

Djtecha ,

CA still has republicans in congress so please still vote.

queue ,
@queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I’m trying to. I live in the district Kevin McCarthy was in. His replacement isn’t great. Our blanket primary was “Republican backed by Kevin and Trump” and “Republican backed by conservative think tanks and Trump staff”.

I’ve considered running for office using a form of leftist talks masked like Republican talking points. But an openly queer leftist in Republican territory won’t go well, unless I figure out what urn I want ahead of time.

Djtecha ,

Well keep on fighting. 😊

queue ,
@queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Even if we lose in 2024, we keep fighting.

Djtecha ,

Naw I think this change wins it. But vote regardless 😜

sapphiria ,
@sapphiria@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Not all of us live in swing states. It’s weird that so many people act as if that’s the case online.

acosmichippo ,
@acosmichippo@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t care where you live, vote.

sapphiria ,
@sapphiria@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I never said I wasn’t going to vote.

acosmichippo ,
@acosmichippo@lemmy.world avatar

so you’re going to vote, but not for biden because electoral college nonsense. this isn’t time to fuck around with rhetorical voting no matter how safe you think your state is.

queue ,
@queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Yes. But I’m in California. My vote for President doesn’t matter. My local ballots do.

K3zi4 ,

As a non American I just can’t comprehend how any of you even have to think about this.

On one hand, an old man, who, despite his age and stumbling over his words, has ran the country relatively successfully for the last four years.

On the other hand, another old man that was a global embarrassment, cosied up to Putin and Kim, spent most of his time golfing and shitting his pants, stole classified documents and likely sold state secrets, he is a sexual abuser, an actual criminal, clearly has corrupt justices on his side with crazy plans, chummy with epstein and took multiple trips to pedo Island, promoted racism at every opportunity, many of the people connected to him for his first term were imprisoned, refused to accept your democratic process, contributed in instigating a fucking coup attempt, and that’s likely not even the half of it…

Like, how the fuck can ANY of you look at that and say “Yeah but Biden stumbles over his words so I’ll just throw my vote away/vote for trump…”

I feel like I’m going insane just watching this shit unfold. It is all so bizarre.

mashbooq ,

As an American I’m newly flabbergasted by this every damn day

AquaTofana ,

Don’t worry, those of us Americans who don’t have their heads up their asses are just as baffled as you are and 3 times as embarrassed that Trump is even an option again.

I am in a fucking loop of laughter and tears because I don’t even know what to do anymore.

queue ,
@queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I just don’t want an old rapist racist in charge of a country.

confusedbytheBasics ,

Yes. It’s insane. I will vote for whoever is most likely to beat Trump. It’s embarrassing that he is RNC’s pick for candidate. He demonstrated his inability to do the job and his fans still want him because he hurts the “right people”. Horrifying.

kylie_kraft ,

It’s not even “he hurts the ‘right people’” anymore, because Trump’s policies hurt everyone. It’s"he hurts the ‘right people’" more than he hurts me. I will give myself a cold to give you a fever.

Wiz ,

If pay money to hear the words “pedo Island” used against TFG in the debate.

Tryptaminev ,

The criterion is very simple: Don’t vote for genocide committers, enablers or planners. That excludes Biden and Trump.

If the Dems manage to produce a non genocide loving candidate, then vote vote vote and drag everyone who will vote for the non genocide candidate to the polling station.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

And what is your plan for stopping Trump’s planned genocides?

Tryptaminev ,

2A

radivojevic ,

Unfortunately, talking about realistic plans will get you banned in this community

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

They aren’t realistic because no one with any credible ability to pull them off is making such plans. You sure aren’t leading the lynch mob.

radivojevic ,

Thomas Crooks is leading the mob.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

If the leader of your great revolution is a corpse, I think you have big problems.

radivojevic ,

Corpse, Martyr, similar but different.

FlexibleToast ,

The guy that had no political motives and was just trying to hit the highest valued target he could? That’s a piss poor leader.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

That’s also true, but I’d say the bigger problem when it comes to his leadership skills is his complete lack of brain and other organ activity.

FlexibleToast ,

Biden already dropped.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

That would be a much funnier joke if Biden hadn’t literally endorsed someone else to be the leader.

Also, I’m sure Biden’s spleen is just fine.

FlexibleToast ,

It was only meant to be a stupid joke. Not an actual political statement.

radivojevic ,

That’s your interpretation of his motives.

FlexibleToast ,

Yes, because that’s where the evidence leads. I do tend to form my interpretations of things based on evidence.

radivojevic ,

You did the investigation yourself or you watched the news and believed whatever you heard? There are lots of versions of his motives, depending on who you’re listening to. I’m sure some far-right media outlet has “evidence” that Biden hired him.

If he just wanted to kill people, he would have taken more shots. Nothing in his past, that has been released at this point, shows he wanted to kill people for no reason. This was intentional, and seeing as he is a political figure, having this be politically motivated makes the most sense.

FlexibleToast ,

I’m listening to what the FBI are saying. You’re free to come up with whatever conspiracy you want to though.

radivojevic ,

I’m sure the fbi don’t want anyone to know that it was politically motivated so he doesn’t become a martyr. You’re free to believe the government never lies or manipulates the facts, but historically that’s not always been the case.

AbidanYre ,

From 6ft underground?

radivojevic ,

I think that’s a requirement for being a martyr.

AbidanYre ,

I had this discussion with someone a couple weeks ago and was surprised to learn that it’s not.

www.wordnik.com/words/martyr

radivojevic ,

Interesting. Well, martyr nonetheless.

GoddessNoAi ,

“I’d rather let someone who actively, aggressively advocates, enables, and wants genocide domestically and abroad to win the presidency, over voting for somebody who passively enables genocide to happen abroad because actively trying to stop it could ignite WWIII” is still a bad take.

It’s baffling and hypocritical.

Tryptaminev ,

It is hypocritical to delude yourself into believing voting for genocide is somehow not approving genocide. And i hardly doubt that stopping Israel from committing genocide in Gaza would ignite WW3.

If you mistake it for Ukraine, think about all the help Ukraine is not getting so Israel can get it instead. Dozens of Billions in Weapons to slaughter a civillian population instead of helping Ukraine defend itself against Russias invasion.

GoddessNoAi ,

I’m not deluding myself about anything. The choice isn’t “vote for or against genocide” it’s “act to get less or more genocide”. It’s not a false dichotomy; if you’re not voting to defeat Trump, then you’re acting to get more genocide.

By not acting to defeat Trump, you’re enabling genocide more than Biden ever has.

Lyrl ,

In some takes on the trolley problem (do nothing, five people are run over by a trolley an die, flip a track change switch and two people are run over by a trolley and die) flipping the switch is the morally worse option because then those two people’s deaths are your fault, whereas the five people who die because you did nothing are someone else’s fault. I don’t agree with that take, but it’s taken seriously in philosophy circles.

Lyrl ,

I don’t get how in the Levant, where both Hamas and the Israelis have significant factions that want to genocide the other people, a situation where Hamas does the genociding (because an Israel without attack capability de facto also loses defense capability) is somehow more moral than a situation where Israel does it.

Tryptaminev ,

You are making multiple false assumptions in there. The first being that 2.000 pound bombs are somehow “defensive”. The next being that a 30.000 fighters Hamas would somehow genocide all of the settlers, despite their army having hundreds of thousands of members. Then it goes further with this idea, that they want to eradicate them, when all they want is to get their land back. The settlers always have the options to leave and go back to their home countries. Meanwhile Israel as a settler colonial project has to commit genocide to complete itself because as long as a Palestinian people exists, it will demand to get back to its rightful land. Finally you are wrong about the reasons why people in Palestine support violence. They do so, because it is the only thing protecting them from annihilation. For Israelis it is a mix between believing, they need to commit genocide as being the perpetrator protects them from being the victims, classic imperialist greed and a big portion of racism and fascism.

But in the end Israel will destroy itself from within as all fascist states do eventually. The question is how many more people the US helps them to murder in the meantime.

Semi_Hemi_Demigod ,
@Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world avatar

Even if Trump wasn’t going to do awful things, I can’t stand his stupid face or his stupid voice or his stupid stupidity. That’s enough to vote for someone who’ll beat him.

Burstar ,

Get out of my head. I only watch late night talk shows on Youtube now just so I can skip past any Trump video. I hate that guy so much it makes my jaw hurt whenever I see his image.

Edit: I wish I could vote against him.

thisbenzingring ,

When I place my vote, I’ll remember you 👍

Burstar ,

Thanks fren!

Lost_My_Mind ,

Are you unable to vote against him because you’re not American?

jwt ,

Generally speaking you vote for someone. I’m thinking they meant literally a box on the ballot:
☑️ Against trump

Burstar ,

Heh, or just vote for his opponent whomever that may be :P

Burstar ,

Yup.

Lost_My_Mind ,

Ah. Legally speaking, that’s a pretty good excuse.

Lost_My_Mind ,

No. It absolutely isn’t. I was too young to vote in the 2000 election, but Gore had the same stupid face, long drawn out speech paterns, and general unlikability.

However, his policies, and his message were good. I would have voted for him despite his stupid face, because of him being the better candidate.

I FULLY understand people hating trump…but I underatand the hate because trump is a piece of shit. I get why trump is hated for his bad policies. I get why people hate having a criminal in the white house.

But to say that if a candidate were good for the position, but you hate their face and voice, I wouldn’t understand that.

aStonedSanta ,

Yeah but Gore did win that election. It was stolen from him. Just like Bernie won the DNC nomination and it was stolen from him. Fuck the DNC. But fuck the RNC harder.

Lost_My_Mind ,

This is the kind of comment that makes me angry, while I agree with all of it. It’s a weird feeling to be yelling “YEAH I AGREE WITH THAT!!! RAAAAHHH!!!”

Semi_Hemi_Demigod ,
@Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world avatar

Nah, Gore is not nearly as stupid as Trump, either in face, voice, or thought.

NoIWontPickAName ,

Nah, I said I would support her if that’s what it came down to.

She needs a good VP though with her record.

That debate and the putin -Zelensky trump-Harris mixups so short together.

Pull in Buttigieg and you have a white male as a backup to calm people down and maybe pull in the gay vote.

I understand how the last sentence could be seen the wrong way, but it’s the cynical reality.

bolexforsoup ,

You’re talking about election strategy, it’s not wrong if a bit blunt/overly reduced.

noisefree ,

Harris-Buttigeg is too close to Harry Butt and Harris-Pete is too close to Harry Peter for the 4th grade reading level crowd (aka “undecided voters”). I don’t personally have a huge issue with either of them, but it’ll probably be Harris and the Sheriff of Mayberry.

JimSamtanko ,

Absolutely they will. When the gEnOciDe stopped working/got boring, they switched to- oLd!

Give it a day, they’ll have their reasons not to vote for her too.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Someone already replied to me saying that unless the Democrats produce a “non genocide-loving candidate,” don’t vote for them.

kylie_kraft ,

conveniently making room for the one candidate who probably does love a genocide

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

And not just genocide overseas. Trump has made his position on immigrants and queer people very clear. And if anyone thinks ‘immigrants’ won’t include brown people that are native-born citizens who don’t happen to have the right ID on them, you’re wrong.

kylie_kraft ,

Oh, totally

JimSamtanko ,

Of course they did. Because MAGA won’t be happy until there are no democratic voters.

Captainvaqina ,

No democracy either. They want an authoritarian dictatorship because they don’t believe they’ll be the ones hurt by it.

Djtecha ,

Bots bots and more bots. I assume all of that garbage is coming from a room full of shoulder to shoulder ruskies

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I tend to go by Hanlon’s Razor unless given reason to do otherwise.

FlexibleToast ,

Cool strawman you’re beating up. I think the majority of us that didn’t want Biden is because he didn’t have a good path to victory. We didn’t want to just stand by and watch the train wreck happen. Harris isn’t much better, but at least she is better, and I will be on board with that of that’s who is chosen. I would rather see Whitmer be on the top of the ticket though.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

One of my strawmen replied to me below. You should tell them about how I knocked them down.

FlexibleToast ,

You will never please everybody.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I thought I was beating up strawmen? Now they exist?

You do understand what a straw man argument is, right?

FlexibleToast ,

The strawman is acting like they’re the majority.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

When did I do such a thing? Please quote me.

FlexibleToast ,

Any moment now, the ‘don’t vote for Biden’ group will be in here telling us not to vote for Harris. And if it isn’t Harris, they’ll tell us not to vote for whoever it is.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Yes. That is what I wrote. What specifically there suggests I was talking about the majority?

Do you think ‘group’ means ‘majority?’ Maybe English isn’t your first language.

FlexibleToast ,

The fact that you even wrote it at all implies they’re a major group. Why bring up the insignificant minority?

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

You are not psychic. You do not get to tell me what I was implying. Especially when I am telling you otherwise.

FlexibleToast ,

Now you’re back peddling. Maybe you should actually say what you mean instead of leaving it up to interpretation.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Maybe you should have asked.

Omniraptor ,

as a queer leftist (look up ag kamala’s record on gender affirming care for trans inmates for a fun time) I support her on electoral grounds- she isn’t visibly falling apart at the seams like Biden and can do the physical work of campaigning and interacting with potential voters. We can work with this.

She is also on record as having a somewhat tougher stance on Israel’s war (unlike Joe, who supported them no matter what they did). That’s my personal red-line issue so I’m glad there’s some semblance of a shift there :/

PriorityMotif ,
@PriorityMotif@lemmy.world avatar

I’m sure that her stance could have changed from that time as it’s become a more understood issue now from then. It’s the people that the president appoints that are ultimately responsible for policy in their departments.

kandoh ,

She’s one of the reasons if someone were to kill you they wouldn’t be able to use ‘i panicked’ as a defense.

SpaceCowboy ,
@SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

Well VPs traditionally will say the things the President can’t say publicly for geopolitical reasons. Harris may have been saying the things the Biden was thinking but couldn’t directly say while actively negotiating with Netanyahu. Can’t be sure but it’s a more likely scenario than her going rogue against someone on the same ticket as her.

Doesn’t matter now, but more for future reference. If a future President Harris isn’t saying what you want her to say on foreign policy issues but her VP is, you’ll know what’s up.

mecfs ,
  • and disabled people
Natanael ,

And soon enough, the wrong kind of christians

some_guy ,

Until Harris fucks up terribly in public and jeopardizes her campaign, I won’t be advocating for her replacement. I never said “don’t vote Biden.” I said “run somebody better.” Keeping Trump out of office is more important to me than living in this country and I love where I live. I’m hopeful that Harris can win the trust of the people and prevent my having to relocate (and a bunch of other bad shit).

dadarobot ,
@dadarobot@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Most of the biden haters i know on the left are upset about his support for israel. Harris has been much more critical of the genocide. We’ll just have to see.

I didnt want to vote for biden, but was still going to vote blue no matter who. Im glad i dont have to vote for genocide anymore.

Frozengyro ,

I’m sure you still will have to unfortunately.

aStonedSanta ,

Yeah I like Harris less than Biden. Sad day tbh.

BonesOfTheMoon ,

Well at least he could graciously withdraw I suppose.

ToastedPlanet ,

Biden endorsed Kamala. =)

DarkGamer ,
@DarkGamer@fedia.io avatar

Kamala has a similar approval rating to Biden. If he wasn't viable, neither is she.

ToastedPlanet ,

Biden wasn’t viable because he has cognitive decline. Kamala will mop the floor with Trump in debates.

DarkGamer , (edited )
@DarkGamer@fedia.io avatar

Both candidates are experiencing decline, and if Biden were elected and incapable of doing the job it would have resulted in a Harris Presidency anyway. It's such an odd thing to object over. We've had presidents in decline before and the country kept running just fine, (FDR, Reagan.)

Biden did a fine job in office, I'm especially proud of his union support, and his policies were spot on in my opinion. To throw him under the bus like this seems really shitty.

ToastedPlanet ,

Biden made the right decision for the country.

spujb ,

Trump will visibly age on stage like Palpatine from the absolute roasting Harris would do to him

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I would not be at all surprised if Trump refuses to debate her.

tal ,
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

I think I remember reading an earlier analysis that says that Trump has no reason to accept debates with any potential new candidate, as it just gives them more visibility.

Gerudo ,

Absolutely. They had no reason to debate Biden again. They sure as shit won’t put him on stage against her, or ANY other candidate.

the_frumious_bandersnatch ,

This would be awesome. Give Harris a two hour uninterrupted prime time spot to let the former prosecutor make a case against electing a convicted felon and follow it with 2 hours of the oldest candidate in US history rambling. 😆

kylie_kraft ,

Charitable to think that Trump would agree to a debate with Harris.

ShepherdPie ,

Do you think debates are really going to sway voters at this point? Like the people considering Trump don’t already know what a blowhard he is?

ToastedPlanet ,

Debates can energize the voter base which is what we need right now. And who knows, the debates might even convince some people.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

To be fair, most people really don’t know much about her yet. She’s mostly stayed in the shadows as a VP. That could change, for better or worse, when they know her better.

Carrolade ,

People don’t know much about Kamala yet. That will now change very dramatically. Biden had hit his ceiling, a known quantity that everyone already knew very well. Harris has room to climb.

Wxnzxn ,
@Wxnzxn@lemmy.ml avatar

That’s something I think some people just missed when Biden dropping out was debated. Of course, the other potential picks were polling behind him at that point. But he was showing clear signs that he had peaked, and would only be able to fight not to drop further. His most powerful argument had been not being Trump - which any candidate can wield. And any candidate with charisma and the ability to speak, debate and campaign has a lot of room to move up, whereas Biden was fighting not to move down.

tal ,
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

The argument that I’ve seen made is that her approval rating will rise if she becomes the candidate.

I’m not sure how realistic that is, but it’s the one that was made.

TheDannysaur ,

This is a hilarious misreading of polling data. Kamala may not win, but her percentage chance to win might be double or more of what Bidens was.

People I follow were estimating Biden at 10-15% by the time the election rolled around. All the models assume that a candidate would run a normal campaign. Something that he is not capable of doing.

DarkGamer ,
@DarkGamer@fedia.io avatar

This is so incredibly reckless and foolish. Democrats just handed victory to Trump because they seem incapable of party unity. There is no better candidate waiting in the wings and Biden was polling very competitively against Trump.

ralphio ,

He dropped over 2 points to Trump since the debate and I doubt more public appearances from him were gonna help especially since he already committed to another debate. He’s outside the margin of error for winning any sunbelt state and losing everywhere in the rustbelt. It’s not impossible that he would have won but seems pretty improbable.

Wxnzxn ,
@Wxnzxn@lemmy.ml avatar

It would have taken some big, unexpected developments for him to win at this stage. Especially after the failed assassination attempt invigorated and united Trump’s cult further.

SpaceCowboy ,
@SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

especially since he already committed to another debate.

It’s actually the opposite problem. There’s wasn’t going to be another debate for Biden to potentially redeem himself. Trump wasn’t going to do with another debate with him to give him that chance, why would he? He didn’t debate anyone in the primaries, because he didn’t need to. He wasn’t going to give Biden a chance to prove “it was just a bad night.”

But with Harris as the candidate, Trump has to do another debate or he’ll look weak. In the next debate Trump will look like the guy that’s too old. Which he is, just didn’t look that way next to Biden.

Stupidmanager ,

I mean, reading between the lines, something else is wrong with biden. His age wasn’t all that helpful in the current situation, and then he gets sick? If he has only Covid, then we were in for 2+ months of a foggy candidate who already had questionable levels of clarity. No, this is not reckless, this is trying to save the election from an almost assured trump win.

ShepherdPie ,

The only recklessness I see is waiting til the 11th hour to read the writing on the wall. Someone posted in a different thread that Biden even stated in 2019 that he was only going to run a single term. The party leadership has had 4 years to choose a proper successor but chose party over country instead.

baronvonj ,
@baronvonj@lemmy.world avatar

Someone posted in a different thread that Biden even stated in 2019 that he was only going to run a single term

He didn’t. He said he saw himself as a transitional candidate, but never outright said single term.

WanderingVentra ,

It seems reckless, but the people who were pushing it were party insiders and big donors like George Clooney. I am not sure if it was a good idea, but I figure they must see things we don’t.

theneverfox ,
@theneverfox@pawb.social avatar

Nope, they just have money we don’t have

SeaJ ,

Down 3% is horrible. In swing states, he is losing even worse while Democratic Senators are polling up.

baronvonj ,
@baronvonj@lemmy.world avatar

I just don’t understand this with a non-felon, non-rapist candidate. Biden and those Democratic Congressional candidates are running on the same platform.

bdonvr ,

2020 was pretty close and Biden’s image hasn’t gotten any better and clearly wasn’t going to. He was never going to win.

RememberTheApollo_ ,

If you want lockstep unity you get to be fascist, too. Just like the republicans.

The best thing about Dems and libs is their general inclusivity. We want to have everyone to have a voice and a place to exist in the government. Shared control over the direction of the country. We want to exist and have lives free of violence, prejudice and misogyny, among other things, and to be who we are. But that’s also a drawback. Every group has their special interest. That’s hard to work with. If they don’t feel that their special interest has been advanced in some way they tend to sit on their hands. Vote third party. Not vote at all. We have a LOT of people all pulling in slightly different directions at the same time.

The republicans? They really have only one simple agenda, and that’s god, guns, and fuck the liberal agenda. And they show up to vote to do just that.

BombOmOm ,
@BombOmOm@lemmy.world avatar

Would have been better if he did this last year, would have allowed for a normal primary, rather than the clustefuck that is going to happen over the next month.

kylie_kraft ,

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    Altomes ,

    As a very vocal Biden hater I’ll stomach Kamela far better and would be thrilled for someone else

    xhieron , (edited )
    @xhieron@lemmy.world avatar

    Stomach isn’t enough. If you’re not actively campaigning and donating for her–or whomever the candidate is–then you may as well have been a Republican.

    EDIT: Nevermind. Clearly the hivemind wants to stay in our armchairs. Who can blame us, right? We’ll continue this conversation in November. I hope it’s not I-told-you-so.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    And doing what you’re doing discourages people from voting.

    xhieron ,
    @xhieron@lemmy.world avatar

    Squid, I appreciate your contributions to putting content on the platform, honestly, but I couldn’t be any less interested in that take. My history speaks for itself, and anybody can read it who cares to. Everybody must vote. I don’t think I could be any clearer about that. I was a staunch advocate for Biden, and I’ll be a staunch advocate for Harris, Newsom, Whitmer, or anyone else who carries the Democratic party forward.

    But every single one of them polls down from Biden. To the extent any of the whining on social media since the debate hasn’t been astroturfed, advocacy for Biden to drop out resulted in this news, and it means that the party has now voluntarily given up the single biggest proven advantage a candidate historically has in a presidential election: being the sitting president.

    I’m encouraging people to vote, but you know as well as I do that people who were going to vote anything-blue were going to vote for Biden no matter what anybody said on almost-reddit. Harris has to move the needle further than that, and that means that all the armchair it’ll-be-better-if-he-drops-out analysts now need to step the fuck up if they want this news to mean anything other than “The DNC just handed Trump 2024.”

    Everybody knows that the kids screaming “oh if the candidate were just younger, the Dems would have it in a landslide” were full of shit, and now we’re about to see just how big a deficit we’re actually running. I’d love to be wrong! I’d be delighted, ecstatic, beside myself to discover that next weeks polls put all these convention front-runners up 10 points on Trump. But I’ve studied this stuff, and it doesn’t take a veteran pollster to realize it doesn’t work that way. Actual campaigning has to happen.

    If you cared enough to want Biden out, but not quite enough to want Harris to win, then you were going to hold your nose in the ballot box either way and it doesn’t fucking matter: Trump would still win. That’s not discouraging. That’s statistics.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Telling people that if they don’t go out and campaign, they might as well be a Republican is just counterproductive. Insulting people is just never a way to get them to do what you think they should do.

    I don’t know why so many people think that’s the right tack. Have you ever been insulted into doing something?

    xhieron ,
    @xhieron@lemmy.world avatar

    The few words of hyperbole is what you took away? I expected better, but I guess that’s on me.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    The few words are the problem. And I doubt people are viewing it as hyperbole.

    bolexforsoup ,

    I mean yeah it was a bit much on their part but I think you’re hyper focusing on it well past the point of productivity.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    I am trying to explain someone else how they are not being productive.

    As I said to them, have you ever been insulted into doing the right thing? I sure haven’t. I don’t know of anyone who has.

    In fact, the quickest way I know to get someone to not take your advice is to insult them.

    xhieron ,
    @xhieron@lemmy.world avatar

    Didn’t bother to read the multi-paragraph follow-up? Don’t worry about it. I’ve had my fill.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    You really don’t understand the concept that being hostile to people is the worst way to get them on your side.

    xhieron ,
    @xhieron@lemmy.world avatar

    You know, Squid. You’re right. This whole time I’ve been venting because I feel like we’ve been completely outplayed by astroturfing foreign propagandists and bots, and it feels like I’m the only one who realizes it. This stuff has real, serious consequences for real people–but why would I expect a bunch of NEETs and children to get that?

    Everybody who swallowed it still genuinely thinks they won something, so I guess it’s not fair to lash out. I don’t really want to get anyone on my side because my side doesn’t exist here anymore.

    I have to thank you for finally getting me off the platform. It’s just not worth it.

    I’m sure this’ll all work out the way you want.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Or… you could be encouraging rather than hostile.

    the_post_of_tom_joad ,

    It’s all a huge conspiracy by foreign propagandists to… replace Joe Biden? Why? And this conspiracy either fooled or forced DNC wonks to pressure Biden to drop his campaign, and this propaganda… originating from foreign sources that you but not they can see, caused Biden to concede.

    Look dawg i know someone saying take a breath on the Internet has the opposite effect but for real, maybe you need to take a step back right now and take another look

    ShepherdPie ,

    You’re essentially doing the same exact thing in the top comment up above.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    In what way? I’m saying insulting people is not a way to get them to campaign.

    ShepherdPie ,

    Any moment now, the ‘don’t vote for Biden’ group will be in here telling us not to vote for Harris. And if it isn’t Harris, they’ll tell us not to vote for whoever it is.

    Anything but stop the dictator and his plan to commit genocide against Latinos and queer people.

    Then why are you insulting people here by making up a strawman argument and insinuating that the people who don’t support unpopular candidates are somehow rooting for Trump? This is like the DNC’s 2016 arrogance all over again and look how that turned out for the country.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    It’s still not a strawman argument that people who were posting all over Lemmy that no one should vote for Biden are now posting in this very thread that people shouldn’t vote for Harris either.

    Also, I’m not trying to get people who aren’t planning on voting for Harris to campaign for Harris. That would be silly. So I have no problem with anything that I said.

    FlowVoid ,

    We win if we get enough votes, and every vote counts.

    Anything beyond voting is just gravy.

    Tryptaminev ,

    With people like you it shows why Trump won culturally even if he doesn’t win the election. He turned a substantial part of the vocal Democrats into Blue-MAGA-hats. It is the same attitude that attacked people who pointed out the mere fact, that Biden is not mentally fit for office anymore. If the Blue-MAGA wasn’t so big, Biden could have left the field to a younger and better candidate half a year ago.

    kylie_kraft ,

    nothing makes me discredit a poster faster than this “Blue MAGA” bullshit

    Tryptaminev ,

    So you think calling everyone that does not campaign and donate to the Democrats a secret Republican is somehow normal?

    To me it is the same cultish bullshit like the blatant denial of Bidens old age and mental decline. It is the same “follow your leader no matter what” insanity that is apologetic for Trump on the other side. So yes, this kind of behaviour is MAGA behaviour and if it is done for the Dems instead of the Reps it is blue MAGA

    NoIWontPickAName ,

    Nope

    Semi_Hemi_Demigod ,
    @Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world avatar

    TIL I’m a Republican.

    And also that you’re a jerk.

    Clinicallydepressedpoochie ,

    Boooooo. We need to unite around [insert DNC candidate] NOW.

    elbucho ,
    @elbucho@lemmy.world avatar

    The “hive mind” probably just can’t figure out what the fuck you’re even trying to say. So, what, everybody who doesn’t actively campaign for their preferred candidate just supports fascism by default? I’m guessing your stance isn’t anywhere near that stupid, because that is an extraordinarily stupid stance. So maybe you’d have a better reception if you clarified your point.

    Pacattack57 ,

    This has got to be the most brain dead shit I’ve read in a minute 😵‍💫

    queue ,
    @queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    I guess the poor and disabled and people who are too busy with struggling to survive are secretly republicans now.

    “Hey I have a weak immune system, so I have to work from home and that limits my income and my free time.”

    “I smell a Republican!”

    audiomodder ,

    Absolutely not. I will spend my time and energy and money supporting my local Democrats. The national level isn’t as important to me because Republicans in my state have veto-proof majorities in both houses and they hold the governorship. Regardless of what happens at the national level, implementation of Project 2025 began in my state about 3 years ago.

    FlexibleToast ,

    While not a Biden hater (but also not a supporter), this is how I feel too.

    NoIWontPickAName ,

    Harris ain’t perfect, but she’s not on the same mental state as Biden is.

    He did a lot of good, but he just wasn’t there anymore, he’s getting pretty old and just had the most stressful job in the world for 4 years.

    Plus he just backed Israel through every thing.

    She’ll probably do the same, but I KNOW that he’ll do it.

    Tbf I changed my mind to voting for him after he finally managed to get Ukraine more aid, so idk how everyone else will go.

    Hopefully she grabs a good VP to calm people down

    Clinicallydepressedpoochie ,

    I was vocally saying biden would never drop out and we just had to swallow the poison pill. I was dead wrong. I will be voting for [insert DNC candidate] and will be excited to do it!

    DragonTypeWyvern ,

    Idk about excited, but yes, unironically.

    elbucho ,
    @elbucho@lemmy.world avatar

    While I don’t think Kamala is the best the Democratic party has to offer (I would have much preferred Biden endorsing Hakeem Jeffries, for example), I’m over the moon that he’s finally decided to step aside. And you know what? Harris is better than Biden in pretty much every metric that matters. I was going to vote for the Dem nominee either way, but him stepping aside in favor of a better candidate has me feeling all kinds of relieved.

    FlexibleToast ,

    I can only speak for myself, but yes.

    PythagreousTitties ,

    “We’re in the endgame now”

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