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Today ,

What if he stepped aside today and Harris could run as the incumbent?

AmidFuror ,

That's not really how the incumbent advantage works. Voters need to see the person as the incumbent and not want to rock the boat.

gAlienLifeform ,
@gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world avatar

I mean, this does create the obvious question - “If Biden is too old to run for President, isn’t he too old to be president? Doesn’t he care about the safety of America [blah blah Fox News talking points blah]”

I personally think it’s fine because the job of President mostly gets done by the team of staffers around the White House, but we’ll need a good answer for that question when a reporter asks it

wjrii ,

It won’t satisfy the likes of Trump or Mike Johnson, obviously, but “enough energy to be president for six months” and “enough energy to be president for six months and simultaneously run a presidential campaign capable of winning” is not a particularly difficult distinction to draw, IMHO.

Emperor ,
@Emperor@feddit.uk avatar

It would take the sting out of people not warning to vote for the first female president if there already was one.

TechNerdWizard42 ,

Disliked Biden, hate Kamala. Voted for them. Kamala and anyone else, nope.

They need someone hopey and feely like a 2008 Obama. If they don’t find that, the Dems are toast. And I can’t think of any mainstream politician that could get that reaction apart from maybe AOC. But that would get just as many MAGAs on the other side out to vote and they’d still lose.

You need empowering Democrat that is neutral to the MTG loving republicans.

Maybe Newsom? But if I had to bet it will be Kamala and another woman or minority to get the double whammy and they’ll surely lose.

jvw ,

You need empowering Democrat that is neutral to the MTG loving republicans.

No, we don’t. Those people will never vote Democratic anyway, so F them.

Mobilize the base. Play to the base.

SpaceCowboy ,
@SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

Yeah it will hopefully energize the younger base… “Be a part of history and vote for the first woman President!”

But they do need to sway some independent votes too.

But if they go hard on reproductive rights hard they can sway a lot of women voters (and some men too). There are a lot of women that normally vote GOP that may vote for Harris on reproductive rights, even though they will never admit it publicly. Sure Biden would press on that too, but a woman making an argument for her rights may be more effective.

Also if the GOP starts blowing on their racist dog whistles and show their true selves, they will lose a lot of independents. Of course the GOP could show some discipline HAHAHAA, sorry couldn’t finish that sentence. There’s already Kamala Birther memes making the rounds on Facebook as we speak.

ralphio ,

Honestly the biggest problem Biden had was that all his funding dried up after the debate.

www.nytimes.com/2024/07/…/biden-fundraising.html

Regardless of who you think would win in a vacuum you gotta acknowledge this.

Speculater ,
@Speculater@lemmy.world avatar

I suspended my donations with a memo that they need to seriously consider running someone else. I’ll vote for Harris, but I’m not excited for her.

thisbenzingring ,

I think she’s as fine a candidate as we’re likely to get. The biggest bonus is breaking the glass ceiling, once and for ever. Not just a woman but a woman of a colorful heredity. It will be the best thing to happen in this era of bullshit politics.

coffee_with_cream ,

No talk of issues or positions here. Just “her sex and skin color.” Maybe that will get some people out to vote, but they did the same thing for Hillary and it did not work. “First woman president, she deserves it”

chiliedogg ,

Gretchen Whitmer would be an interesting choice. She would probably deliver Michigan and free up resources for the other states that matter.

systemglitch ,

I don’t know, that sounds awfully sexist and racist. There are a thousand things more important about a person than their heritage and sex.

VanillaBean ,

The biggest problem he had was getting old.

FlexibleToast ,

This means Harris shouldn’t have an advantage. She only had the advantage that she could use the funds that Biden raised.

ralphio ,

Presumably the donations will start coming back in now that Biden is out.

FlexibleToast ,

But now they can go to whomever the new candidate is.

ralphio ,

Ah OK I see what you’re saying. I misunderstood.

ashok36 ,

I stopped donating after the debate. I sent a donation today for 3x my usual. If they only respond to money, then withholding it is the only way to make them listen.

xhieron ,
@xhieron@lemmy.world avatar

Well congratulations “liberals”, bots, propagandists, defeatists. You win. If Trump had beaten Biden, it would have been Biden’s fault, along with the party. Now the party gets to share the blame with you. You lot gambled this for the rest of us. Let’s hope your bet pays off. Open your wallets and hit the pavement. If you’re a real person and you pitched a fit so this would happen, you got what you wanted. Act like it. Your lobbying won you an obligation to campaign. If you were on social media begging for Biden to quit, now you owe the time you spent here to Harris’s campaign (or whomever the fuck they nominate).

You bought it. You own it.

audiomodder ,

You must be too young to remember Clinton losing to Trump and rather than “oh this is Clinton and the party’s fault”, they blamed it all on “Bernie bros” despite there being absolutely no data to back it up.

If I’ve learned anything in my decades on this earth, it’s that the DNC will fuck everything up, and they will blame anything bad that happens on the progressive wing of the party.

SpaceCowboy ,
@SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

I hate the anti-Biden bots and bot-curious types as much as you do. But it was Biden’s decision and I doubt anything said on social media influenced that decision. There’s the debate performance, the polling data, the fact that he is actually old and isn’t going to be able to do two rallies per day for the next 100 days while also doing the job of President. Those were the real world factors that likely influenced Biden more than anything on social media.

I was all in on saying nice things about Biden and trying to downplay the age problem for the next 100 days. Whatever it takes to prevent Trump from getting back into the Whitehouse.

But Kamala Harris has a slightly better chance than Biden. I think young people value identity politics too much… but we got just over 100 days left so we can talk about that later. For now… hello fellow young people, don’t you want to be a part of history and vote for the first woman President of the US? Vote Harris!

I’ll miss the Dark Brandon memes… but now we’re pushing coconut memes? Is that what we’re doing now?

Whatever it takes to prevent Trump from getting back into the Whitehouse.

Bonskreeskreeskree ,

Party before country. Interesting wording.

ShepherdPie ,

It’s very clear that this is how they’ve run things for quite a while now. It’s why Clinton and Biden were the nominees in the first place and why Trump won in 2016 and nearly again in 2020.

HurlingDurling ,
@HurlingDurling@lemmy.world avatar

Honest question.

Now that Biden is out, can any Democrat run for election? Or is Kamala it?

tal , (edited )
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

Biden has endorsed Harris.

There’s no law governing this. Depends on what the Democratic Party does. May be that it’s decided internally on Harris. No way to know for certain.

I expect that we will find out soon, because whoever runs has very little time to do so, so the Democrats cannot screw around here – they need to get a pick in place quickly and get the campaign moving.

Gretchen Whitmer and Gavin Newsom, the other two frontrunners I’ve seen mentioned, have previously said that they will not run against Harris if she wants it. So it’s probably Harris’s call.

Zaktor ,

The Democrats officially choose their nominee at the convention (or maybe a virtual vote this year). There will be only one ticket running for the Democrats, but someone other than Harris could try to get selected. It’s really unlikely though, as rejecting Harris would be very damaging to the party and two major competitors already said they wouldn’t try to run against her.

SpaceCowboy ,
@SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

Now that Biden is out, can any Democrat run for election?

Yes. In theory.

Or is Kamala it?

Yes. In reality.

twistypencil ,

So president will be decided by the Sperm Court. Autocorrect definitely not worth fixing

morphballganon , (edited )

https://i.postimg.cc/3J20n9kQ/prezposter.png

twistypencil ,

Biden and Bernie would be an amazing ticket

twistypencil ,

They should make Hunter Biden the VP pick, what a glorious troll that would be

Hello_there ,

MICHIGAN is now back in play

800XL ,

So the back the blue party of law and order will vote for the cop instead of the convicted felon now.

Just like the religious moral right will vote for the actual church attending catholic rather than the guy who doesn’t go to church and doesn’t know how to hold a bible upright.

Duamerthrax ,

An aside, I hate that this was posted to twitter before it was posted to Biden’s own website or the White House’s website first.

Psythik ,

This is why the internet sucks now. Nobody maintains their own websites anymore. These days everybody just posts everything on the same handful of centralized megacorp websites. Social media killed the golden age of the web.

elvith ,

There are some exceptions that still live by the POSSE*-principle, but they’re rare.

*Post to Own Site, Syndicate/Share Everywhere

SpaceCowboy ,
@SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

Well Trump posts stuff to his own website :P

But yeah, I agree. And there’s no excuse for it really. Sure a regular person only posting to a single social media makes sense, but anyone that has staff should be able post to their own website, issue a press release, post on Twitter, Mastodon, Facebook, Blue Sky, Reddit, etc. I mean once you have the statement finalized it’s just copy & paste to get it on all platforms. It seems bizarre that they don’t do this.

the_post_of_tom_joad ,

Ey yo at least this place exists

Duamerthrax ,

This is essentially a very fancy forum. I wouldn’t expect corporations or politicians to be posting here. Maybe they could host their own instance and federate. In principle, that would mean they’re paying for their own hosting and have control over their message being altered.

mynameisigglepiggle ,

Elon probably boosted it for free, max.publicity

jeffw ,
@jeffw@lemmy.world avatar

My first reaction was that he was hacked. It wasn’t on official letterhead, there was no other announcement, and the president didn’t immediately make another tweet/x/whatever.

I don’t think I’m alone. Typically when something big like this happens, I get 5-10 news alerts within minutes of each other from various sources. The alerts were slow to roll in today.

HappycamperNZ ,

"Oh shit, how do we spin this in Trumps favour"

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Agent641 ,

I hate that he started at least 2 sentences with “and”

aphlamingphoenix ,

It really helps you to hear it in his voice, though.

taiyang ,

In 2016 it was a “Vote Against Trump Regardless Of Who It Is”. It’s shaping up to be that again, but this gives me hope that maybe we’ll have someone we can vote for that we like… Even if just a little. Harris is no Obama in charm, but it’s a step in the right direction.

baronvonj ,
@baronvonj@lemmy.world avatar

The general election will continue to be a strategic vote against the party you don’t want to win until voters come out en masse in the primaries. And those better candidates will have to actually be running in the primaries.

Phenomephrene ,
@Phenomephrene@thebrainbin.org avatar

Not just the primaries; it's going to take a tea party style insurgency into the DNC in order to exact the actual changes that we are looking for. The long play is getting involved in your state level Democratic party apparatus and pushing for better representation of progressive policies in the party platform, and pushing people of progressive persuasions into the DNC. <--- Much inadvertent alliteration.

FlexibleToast ,

You mean not until the entire voting system is overhauled and the first pass the fence post system is abandoned.

baronvonj ,
@baronvonj@lemmy.world avatar

Yes. I mean the thing that won’t happen until we overwhelmingly vote in the major parties primaries to put in representatives who will legislate those changes at the state level. Because 3rd party candidates aren’t winning with the current system, so we have to change the two major parties from within, through their primaries.

FlexibleToast ,

I don’t see that happening unless we were voting with rifles and guillotines.

baronvonj ,
@baronvonj@lemmy.world avatar

No 3rd party has won a single electoral vote since Wallace in '68. He won 46. You have to go to Teddy Roosevelt in 1912 to top that with 88 (the most ever). It’s either taking over the parties from the local level up through their primaries or it will take the full collapse of our government with a new constitutional convention, and that probably won’t go well.

FlexibleToast ,

Like I said, rifles or guillotines. I don’t see it reasonably happening through voting in our current system.

baronvonj ,
@baronvonj@lemmy.world avatar

Well it can’t if we don’t try. For the 2024 primaries in Texas we had 17.9M registered voters, 3.2M primary ballots cast, and only 900k of them were Democratic. So I get why people think it isn’t going to work. But I think anyone expecting a “don’t vote and let it burn down” situation to result in an immediate improvement rather than things getting insanely worse are deluding themselves to everyone’s detriment.

FlexibleToast ,

I’m definitely not in the don’t vote camp. I just think I have reasonable expectations of what my vote can accomplish, and it’s not much.

baronvonj ,
@baronvonj@lemmy.world avatar

Definitely a lot of well earned cynicism about the process.

audiomodder ,

We actually saw this happen in 2020 in the Democratic Party. And establishment Democrats played the game to force Bernie out. We’re hearing from people that Biden wasn’t the best person to beat Trump, he was the best person to beat Bernie. That’s why they rallied around him and pulled the bullshit with Warren before Super Tuesday.

baronvonj ,
@baronvonj@lemmy.world avatar

Yes, that was at the top. The president can’t unilaterally change state-owned voting laws. Bernie did succeed in getting more progressive candidates into the Democratic party primaries down ballot in 2018 and beyond. That pressure needs to be maintained all the way down to the state legislatures and city/county offices. We have to flip the states locally to get election reform at the state level in order to make 3rd party options viable at the national level. Focusing on the presidential race to shame Democrats into electoral reform is just an exercise in self-owning loss to the Republicans.

Wxnzxn ,
@Wxnzxn@lemmy.ml avatar

At this point, it’s all just about delaying the repression and concentration of power under a Trump presidency, as well as trying to slow down the climate catastrophe as much as possible on top of that. Things won’t get better any time soon, it’s simply not the historical situation and dynamic at the moment, but every year to organise people for radical alternatives for when the global collapse progresses further is valuable.

Imgonnatrythis ,

I could care less about charm. I wish more people would. Personally, I want a fucking autistic that defines real goals, outlines a plan to achieve them, and measures their success on how efficiently the goals are met. I’m exaggerating a bit, but I miss the days where politicians had platforms and were willing to be something more than just a feeling.

Psythik ,

Couldn’t* care less.

Imgonnatrythis ,

Bad bot. I like to leave a little wiggle room. I’ve often suprised myself and found that when I care very little about something, I can sometimes find a little more apathy later on.

toast ,

If you can care less, why mention it? It is an empty statement, supporting nothing. It has no rhetorical impact at all, except that reinforces the idea in your audience that you haven’t even a good grasp of the language you are using.

Imgonnatrythis ,

Perhaps you are an English speaker from outside the US? It is an often used and well known colloquialism in the states. It’s not any more empty than other accepted forms of speech that lack traditional grammar or syntax.

merriam-webster.com/…/could-couldnt-care-less

To a non US English speaker it would understandably sound strange. But to correct someone using this phrase in the states would only make one look like a prick.

toast ,

It is an often used and well known colloquialism

It is a bastardization of a well known colloquialism

To a non US English speaker it would understandably sound strange

To English speakers who’ve heard it and have given it any thought, it just sounds careless, or stupid

If someone were to point out something like this to me, I’d just say “oops”, learn from it, and move on. I wouldn’t double down on it. It’s like defending ‘would of’, or ‘supposably’ - obvious mishearings of other words. People know what you mean; it is just that you are also telling them something you probably don’t mean to.

Imgonnatrythis ,

That’s just how language evolves. You can pick lots of hills to die on with so called bastardization of the English language, it’s full of these. If you understand this is part of modern English and just pick fights on the internet, congrats - you have a full time hobby. No one is doubling down, I could care less how you choose to speak, I just thought perhaps you were unaware that in parts of the world this is accepted evolution of the language.

tlou3please ,

I’m not American but want to be in the loop. Media here is saying Kamala Harris is the likely successor. What do people think of her? Is she liked? I assume her actual politics are more or less the same since she was VP.

morphballganon ,

She’s a former cop and former prosecutor. I haven’t seen much from her.

seth ,

Both of those are strikes against her imo, but she’ll still get my vote.

nexusband ,
@nexusband@lemmy.world avatar

Not American either, i just hope she chooses Kelly as her VP…a progressive Astronaut in politics is more important than ever.

Phenomephrene ,
@Phenomephrene@thebrainbin.org avatar

Kelly should hold on to his Senate seat for as long as possible. There is zero guarantee that Arizona would send another Democrat to replace him.

nexusband ,
@nexusband@lemmy.world avatar

Well, that’s probably a pretty good argument. I wish it would be different…

Personally, I think we need space to solve climate change faster (or rather, the effects it has on us - climate change is a pretty intricate factor of the climate itself, but we need to be better prepared for those changes and mitigate some of them), U.S. politics are very influential around the world and that pick would hopefully influence ESA and their funding more…

ralphio ,

People don’t know her tbh. She used to be kind of a poor public speaker, but seems to have solved that based on recent appearances. Not gonna lie she’s a bit strange if you’ve ever heard her speak, but I don’t think it’ll hurt her against Trump who is an all time weirdo in American politics. Importantly she’s young and fairly sharp and hasn’t been around long enough to have too many skeletons in her closet.

secret300 ,

No idea who that is…

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