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rubikcuber , in "Sponsored recommendations": I pay for Spotify Premium, and yet somehow I'm still the product?
@rubikcuber@feddit.uk avatar

If you’re not paying you are the product. If you ARE paying you are STILL the product. This is how big tech works.

sebinspace ,

Basically every computer hardware manufacturer is collecting telemetry and sending it home. If you’re using MacOS or Windows, your OS is doing it aswell

essteeyou ,

Or Android, or iOS, or a Chromebook, or whatever other OS you’re using next year, if it isn’t some sort of Linux/UNIX system… and even some of those might not be great, but at least you can find out.

sebinspace ,

I mean… Android and ChromeOS are Linux underneath. MacOS is… related to Unix. Hang on, I need to look up that lineage…

Also Lineage.

Edit: MacOS used/uses the Mach kernel, and uses code “derived from BSD”, vague as Wikipedia is. That could mean it’s a whole copy-paste or that it just borrows ideas from BSD.

jungekatz ,

It has a history in the US anti trust (when the laws really worked)

vacuumflower ,

MacOS has userland tools from some FreeBSD version (quite obsolete, IIRC). Also there’s a port of bhyve called xhyve for MacOS. Its kernel I wouldn’t expect to have much in common with BSDs.

jungekatz ,

Tbh i have used linux on my home pc for years now and now they are very polished products , except most corporate apps are not there !

msage ,

Which corporate apps?

Perhaps I’m lucky, but I rarely have an issue.

jungekatz ,

Adobe , microsoft office , catia etc etc etc

somedaysoon ,
@somedaysoon@lemmy.world avatar

Android isn’t in that list if you’re using something like LineageOS or GrapheneOS.

essteeyou ,

I suspect that’s a fraction of a percent of Android devices, though.

somedaysoon , (edited )
@somedaysoon@lemmy.world avatar

I wouldn’t know about market share, but why would market share be a disqualifier to your statement? GrapheneOS and LineageOS are both massive projects with a lot of users. It should be mentioned for those that might be interested to know that they have an option for privacy. Not saying you were doing this, but I hate the defeatist attitude that everything tracks so why try? It’s wrong.

I use LineageOS and Linux and FOSS apps/software and selfhost services… if it’s something you care about, you can regain control and privacy over your data.

NightOwl ,

You become the product with name, address, and payment details attached to the account for improved demographic data for them to collect. Win win.

Freesoftwareenjoyer ,

That’s not how big tech works, it’s how DRM works. It is possible to sell music/games/movies in an ethical way, without DRM.

jarfil ,

But you’re paying for the GOOD recommendations now, not the free bad ones… /s

NoneYa , in Windows 10 and its shortage of "Never shove this screen in my face again" buttons

This whole rapey lingo needs to fucking die already.

No means no, corporations. Not “maybe later”, not “remind me later”…it’s a yes or a no.

Every company does it now and I’m sick to death of it. Even for the free trials like YouTube Premium. I don’t want your fucking shit. Leave me alone.

cyberpunk007 ,

Linux/FreeBSD and piracy are like the only way to mostly avoid this crap now lol.

azvasKvklenko ,

Which will make you see it anyway in any consumer product or service other than the computer OS.

cyberpunk007 ,

There’s at all plenty one can do with FOSS stuff without needing to resort to that, but ya, in geraral that’s true

BallsandBayonets ,

YouTube shorts are my latest annoyance. They give you an x to hide it then says we’ll try again in 30 days. Shorts were a dumb idea on vine, a dumber idea on tiktok, and just about the dumbest idea on YouTube. If I wanted a sub-30 second clip I’d watch a gif.

BehindTheBarrier ,

I don’t think shorts are bad, but they aren’t the reason I go to YouTube at all. They are just in the way.

fadedmaster ,
@fadedmaster@sh.itjust.works avatar

I agree. Shorts are just a way for me to discover new creators when I’m on the toilet since my recommendations page sucks now and never recommends new creators to me.

Soggy ,

Collaberations and word-of-mouth are the main ways I find new creators, the algorithm sucks at understanding the finer points.

Skua ,

I wouldn't even mind them as much if they showed you who posted the short before you watched it. There are a few creators I like enough that I'd watch shorts by, but I've got no way to know it's by them

AlexWIWA ,

I like short form content too, but not on my longer form content website. And I wouldn’t want ten minute videos on my movie service.

neidu2 ,

I would argue that they were a good idea on Vine. It allowed them to stay away from other platforms.

br3d ,

The other annoying thing they (esp. MS) do is pop up messages like “The whole process of saving files has changed while you were asleep [learn more][got it]” and here, when you need it, there’s never an option for “remind me later”. So you either have to stop what you’re doing and go and read a massive blog entry that’s not actually relevant to the task in hand or you need to dismiss the message and never be able to find it when it’s actually relevant

cuerdo ,

We need a community! I am really annoyed by this, it is rapey and gaslighting and abusive. Another one they started to do is “You are almost finished with your updates”, updates that i didn’t request nor allow.

We need words, customized pitchforks and a leader to recover dignity!

aniki ,

Just use Linux

cuerdo ,

It is not only Windows, it is common in all apps, but i get the point

PrettyFlyForAFatGuy ,

There’s already one. it’s called the linux community

THB ,

Every shopping site now wants you to sign up for some kind of discount or offer as well.

Instead of “No thanks” or “No, I don’t want to subscribe”, the reject button always says “No, I want to pay full price” or “No, I don’t like savings” and other manipulative bs.

Makes me not want to shop there.

ryper ,

And a lot of them don’t even wait for you to find something to buy, you just show up and it’s “HEY DO YOU WANT A DISCOUNT?”

BigMikeInAustin ,

Yes! It really is that. Just like how so many men are taught to never take “no” as an answer from a woman, and to keep pestering her until she gives in.

AlexWIWA ,

I’ve also felt the “impossible to say no” lingo is awful. “remind me later” fuck off

backgroundcow ,

This whole rapey lingo needs to fucking die already.

Maybe widely name-calling this practice for what it is could help steer companies away from this disgusting pattern.

Should we start refering to pop-ups that give no option to say “no” as something like “rape-ups”?

cryptosporidium140 , in Roman numerals, man... so close!

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  • Zorque ,

    It's an honored slasher film tradition.

    Maultasche ,

    So when do we get Jigsaw Takes Manhattan, or Jig in the Hood?

    shalafi ,

    Jig in the Hood

    Jesus dude, careful there. 😶

    Orbituary ,
    @Orbituary@lemmy.world avatar

    Thanks for the honest laugh from me.

    iamtrashman1312 ,

    Saw: Dream Warriors please

    oolio ,

    Don’t forget the mandatory one set in space.

    sanguinepar ,
    @sanguinepar@lemmy.world avatar

    There have also been eight subsequent Friday 13th-related movies since its “Final Chapter” :-)

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    And Freddy came back after Freddy’s Dead: The Final Nightmare.

    lechatron ,
    @lechatron@lemmy.today avatar

    I just watched all the “Final Destination” movies and the 4th one is called “The Final Destination”. Then the went on to make a 5th, and a 6th is in production.

    thejml ,

    The next one should always be “the search for more money”.

    swab148 ,
    @swab148@startrek.website avatar

    The kids love this one!

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    We just re-watched Spaceballs last night and I still laughed and laughed. There’s a scene I don’t remember seeing before where Dark Helmet barks an order and a Spaceball replies, “Jawohl, mein Helmet!” And Rick Moranis gives him this look in such a perfectly-timed way that I lost it. Even with the helmet down it worked.

    gregorum ,

    Moichendizing!

    superduperenigma ,

    I can’t wait for the 16th mainline installment of Final Fantasy to be released on PC.

    DragonTypeWyvern ,

    No that’s different because

    Zorque ,

    To be fair, they do kind of start over with most of them. It's basically a franchise that reboots with every iteration!

    Gabu ,

    Final Fantasy XVI - Part2, Disc B; Universe alpha, Chronicles of that emo kid (not the one you though of, the other one)

    ledtasso ,

    Saw_Final_OKREALLYFINALTHISTIME_2.docx

    someguy3 , in Everything has LEDs now and they drive me nuts

    Electrical tape to black it out.

    Painters tape to dim it.

    Covfefe95 ,

    Do this and never look back

    b00m ,
    @b00m@kbin.social avatar

    May the LED's I tape not light the way

    riskable ,
    @riskable@programming.dev avatar

    With the tape over the LEDs you can look back though. You won’t be blinded. It’ll be OK.

    siskourso ,
    @siskourso@odin.lanofthedead.xyz avatar

    Didn’t think about the painters tape for just dimming the light, great idea.

    notthebees ,

    Use cut pieces of sticky notes. It’s the correct width and doesnt look as jank

    Russianranger ,

    The electrical tape approach is what I did and it did wonders. Went from having a myriad of green and blue LEDs on my fans/portable AC/etc to complete wonderful darkness when I retired for the night. Made a distinct difference in my ability to fall asleep faster at night. I hate having lights when going to bed. Darkness or bust.

    Mic_Check_One_Two ,

    You can actually buy tinted tape to dim them without completely blacking them out. So you can take your clock from “bright enough to keep your entire bedroom lit” to “just bright enough to read in the dark.”

    Found out while watching Technology Connections. Bright blue monochromatic LEDs are one of his biggest pet peeves, and he mentioned the tinted tape off-hand in one of his videos.

    danielton ,
    @danielton@lemmy.world avatar
    Mic_Check_One_Two ,

    Bingo, there it is. Thanks!

    GrandMoffFartin ,

    I bought some pre-cut led dimming stickers on a sheet. Any new electronics that come into my house get one. As someone who likes to sleep in near complete darkness it’s a must have.

    EeeDawg101 ,

    Yep I have a pack of various shapes and sizes for dimming LEDs. You just stick it over the light. Works great

    Sarcastik ,

    I literally travel with a roll of black electric tape for this exact reason.

    Sebeck012 ,

    No officer, I use it to cover the lights on electronics in my hotel room. Honest!

    JonVonBasslake ,
    @JonVonBasslake@lemmy.world avatar

    I mean, just carry a small roll of it, not one that’s like an inch or two wide…

    Xeelee ,
    @Xeelee@kbin.social avatar

    Thanks for reminding me. Gotta pack that for my next holiday.

    oce ,
    @oce@jlai.lu avatar

    I use tiny balls of patafix/blutac to cover exactly the LED surface.

    baru ,

    I have a black pen that can write on plastic. I’ve used that to dim the insanely bright LED on a smoke detector. If you are careful (I wasn’t) then this method looks nicer than putting some tape on a device.

    boxvoy ,

    …or one or more layers of nail polish.

    robolemmy , in "Select a size" when it's just standard paper towel roll. Literally the same way it's always been.
    @robolemmy@lemmy.world avatar

    Tell me you’re young without telling me you’re young.

    Paper towels, for most of my life (I’m old AF), were as long as they were wide. Square, they were. Bounty originated select-a-size by perforating them twice as frequently, so they were half as long as wide. Others eventually followed suit and now youngsters think that’s how it’s always been.

    Moneo ,

    To be fair to OP, they really should’ve stopped advertising this as a feature years ago. It’d be like if sliced bread was still advertised as “Now sliced for your convenience!” or whatever.

    snooggums ,
    @snooggums@midwest.social avatar

    They still sell the square cut rolls though. This lets the buyer know it is the narrower cut.

    LifeOfChance ,

    How else am I to tell the difference between a full size and select a size? I buy full size for the garage and select a size for the house they serve two purposes so eliminating the standard size wouldn’t be the solution.

    OneWomanCreamTeam ,

    How is the larger size better for use in the garage?

    MystikIncarnate ,

    Buy shop cloths my friend.

    It’s not a fabric product, still paper towels, just they’re made for automotive/shop use. I swear by them and they have no “select-a-size” option. They’re also thicker and come apart less than normal paper towels.

    isVeryLoud ,

    You’re talking about the blue stuff on a roll, right?

    https://lemmy.ca/pictrs/image/573151cc-c061-4164-9901-019e20b0000f.jpeg

    I have some and they are select-a-size.

    MystikIncarnate ,

    That’s new to me. I don’t think I’ve seen them like that.

    Alright.

    altima_neo ,
    @altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

    Yeah I remember when they started advertising them like that. Back when the towels were about twice as long between perforations.

    Kolanaki ,
    @Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

    And Bounty always claimed to be the most absorbent brand of paper towel, so the move was like saying “you only need half as much of our paper towel compared to other brands.”

    Not sure how actually absorbent they were; my family always got Brawny.

    SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

    Burly Paper Towels are the best and the mascot is dreamy.

    I’d let him split my wood if you know what I mean.

    Kolanaki ,
    @Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

    I’m pretty sure that’s why my mom got Brawny. It was that sexy lumberjack.

    SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

    Good thing those paper towels are so absorbent because I could drown a toddler in my panties right now.

    Alexstarfire ,

    I prefer my penis in one piece, thank you very much.

    son_named_bort ,

    I saw a documentary about Burly Paper Towels once. One of their most loyal customers got to meet the mascot Chad Sexington. Turns out he was a loser and I heard he’s a boozer.

    ColeSloth ,

    Lol. Yeah. Young, young, OP.

    TechNerdWizard42 ,

    Yup. I remember when we had to tear our own half sheets of paper towel. Kids today have it too soft, and absorbant.

    onion ,

    I did that the other day

    Shepy , in Marketing email's subject made me think my card got hacked

    Would instantly unsubscribe, leave negative reviews and never stay there again.

    glibg10b ,

    And report the email as spam on Gmail

    pineapplelover ,

    Op is using ProtonMail, there’s a report button there also.

    glibg10b ,

    I hope Gmail aggregates the reports from other platforms, because most of Clink’s target market uses Gmail

    deleted , in Windows 10 keeps bugging me to use a Microsoft account

    Windows is slowly transitioning from a paid and solid OS to freemuim spyware bloated dumb OS.

    GrayBoltWolf ,
    @GrayBoltWolf@lemmy.world avatar

    Slowly? This crap has been going on for years.

    deleted ,

    I don’t recall such issues with Win98 or XP

    ogeist ,

    Dude, that was 22 years ago… I also remember Prince of Persia as if it were yesterday

    BestBouclettes ,

    It started with Windows 8

    bingbong ,

    Ready to feel old, that was 11 years ago^oo^oo^o

    ignotum ,

    Ah maan, why’d you have to tell me that, it still feels like it came out just 3-4 years ago tops

    woelkchen ,
    @woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

    It started with Windows 8

    Win8 wasn’t freemium. Win10 was.

    BestBouclettes ,

    True but it’s when Microsoft started to implement apps and such for tablets and hybrid laptops along with office 365.

    Resol , (edited )
    @Resol@lemmy.world avatar

    I miss Windows Vista.

    The arrow pointing downwards is about to be absolutely destroyed today. Edit: it turns out that it didn’t.

    PopOfAfrica ,

    Vistas problem was that it was ahead of its time

    Resol ,
    @Resol@lemmy.world avatar

    I both agree and disagree with that statement.

    Windows finally got animations and transparency when Mac OS has beaten it by 6 years. Truly an oomph moment.

    woelkchen ,
    @woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

    Windows finally got animations and transparency when Mac OS has beaten it by 6 years. Truly an oomph moment.

    The actual technological advancement of Vista was userspace graphics drivers.

    Resol ,
    @Resol@lemmy.world avatar

    Also correct.

    Buddahriffic ,

    Yeah, XP did that with most of the drivers other than graphics, which lead to a reduction in BSOD crashes (because if a user thread crashes, the OS just kills it and continues on, but an unhandled kernel error will crash the entire OS to a generic “turn the screen blue, report and error, and log it, if possible”).

    Vista further improved this by moving most of the graphics driver code out of kernel land.

    vinniep ,

    I sort of agree with you, but not in the way I think you meant it.

    Vista’s problem was that it’s hardware requirements were too high for it’s time. Operating systems have very long project development lifecycle and at a point early on they did a forward looking estimate of where the PC market would be by the time Vista released, and they overshot. When it was almost ready to release it to the world Microsoft put out the initial minimum and recommended specs and PC sellers (Dell, HP, Gateway) lobbied them to lower the numbers; the cost of a PC that met the recommended specs was just too high for the existing PC market and it would kill their sales numbers if they started selling PCs that met those figures. Microsoft complied and lowered the specs, but didn’t actually change the operating system in any meaningful way - they just changed a few numbers on a piece of paper and added some configurations that let you disable some of the more hardware intensive bits. The result was that most Vista users were running it on hardware that wasn’t actually able to run it properly, which lead to horrible user experiences. Anyone that bought a high end PC or built one themselves and ran Vista on that, however, seemed quite happy with the operating system.

    Zeth0s , (edited )

    I used to dual boot linux with windows Vista on an old laptop. I had only installed there the first assassin’s creed and Rome total war. Nothing else, never really connected to internet. After 1 year of not using it a part than few total war sessions, vista was so slow that was unusable. It spontaneously became slow for no reason. I completely removed it, left only linux, and that laptop survived 7 years of intensive use, and was still working 10 years later (just too old).

    Vista was a scam

    Resol ,
    @Resol@lemmy.world avatar

    Good for you, I’m never gonna get convinced.

    Poem_for_your_sprog ,

    I had no problems with Vista. I also built a new PC for it though.

    Resol ,
    @Resol@lemmy.world avatar

    Very similar story here: I bought a new computer that shipped with Vista.

    I got horrendously tired of that Pentium 4 thing.

    AnAngryAlpaca ,

    Blasphemy! Windows XP is the only King!

    Resol ,
    @Resol@lemmy.world avatar

    I don’t really like XP’s design anymore. I didn’t like it back then either.

    ultratiem ,
    @ultratiem@lemmy.ca avatar

    Windows 2000 🫶

    AnAngryAlpaca ,

    Because at this time the internet was still slow, not always on and optional on most computers, and Microsoft did not know if and how they should integrate the internet into the OS. The only thing they had at the time was some link to MSN on the desktop, and activeX (???) Where you could display websites on your desktop or within your program, but without the Browser controlls.

    asexualchangeling ,

    Yeah slowly, it started years ago but it’s been getting worse every version, slowly

    Fast would be if windows 8 had ads and non uninstallable internet exploder etc

    woelkchen ,
    @woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

    Yeah slowly, it started years ago but it’s been getting worse every version, slowly

    The freemium model was launched and completed with Win10.

    tofubl ,

    If only every Windows install came with an internet exploder! We wouldn’t have to read Elon Musk X fluff pieces on the news ever single day. And privacy concerns… What privacy concerns?

    frippa ,
    @frippa@lemmy.ml avatar

    Windows 8(.1) was still utter trash, I actually "down"graded to windows 7 at the time and it was a bliss.

    (it wasn’t the non-stop-ads kind of trash, but the UI suited a tablet more than a desk/laptop)

    asexualchangeling ,

    Yeaaaaaah, I don’t know what Microsoft were thinking trying to force a unified UI on everyone… It didn’t work

    ultratiem ,
    @ultratiem@lemmy.ca avatar

    Decades.

    csfirecracker ,

    Isn’t a process happening gradually over years “slowly”?

    iAmTheTot ,
    @iAmTheTot@kbin.social avatar

    Would that not be slowly? What would you call slowly in this context?

    helenslunch ,
    @helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

    That’s generally what “slowly” means, yes.

    Jackthelad , in Watching ads while grandma is choking on a fish bone

    “Sorry your gran’s dead, but you can get YouTube Premium for £12.99 a month for an ad-free experience.”

    mp3 ,
    @mp3@lemmy.ca avatar

    Cyberpunk isn’t too far off…

    Ensign_Crab ,

    I remember when cyberpunk’s vision of the future was grounded in ridiculous cynicism instead of a charitable assessment of reality.

    Hyperreality ,

    Of course not. Cyberpunk and tech noir usually isn't just about the future, it's arguably about now. More generally, science fiction is often used as a 'safe' way to criticise existing society or say what can't otherwise be said.

    Prime example: Tarkovski's science fiction films (Stalker, Solaris, ...), which smuggled very religious themes past the soviet censor, because 'it's only science fiction'.

    Make a movie glorifying terrorism? Likely jail sentence and on a list. Make a movie glorifying a terrorist that blows up parliament in a dystopian future? Cult classic.

    Make a movie which compares American nationalism to the nazis? You'll never work in Hollywood again. Make it about humans fighting space aliens? Would you like to know more?

    Make a movie about how capitalists indoctrinate us all via advertising? You filthy communist! Make a movie about how aliens indoctrinate us all via advertising? They Live, John Carpenter, cult classic.

    Make a movie about transitioning? No thanks. Make a movie about freeing yourself from the Matrix with the help of a red pill which looks a lot like the hormone pills the directors used to transition? Become a millionaire.

    Make a tv episode where one of the main cast has a sexual relationship with a trans character, who is later forced to undergo gender reaffirming therapy in 1992? Impossible. Make it about Riker having a relationship with an alien who's not androgynous because her race finds gender weird? Prime time tv.

    Make a tv programme about the guilt of a Nazi who worked in a camp while the Jews were being exterminated? No way that's happening. Make a tv programme about the guilt of a space alien who worked in a camp while other space aliens were being exterminated? That particular Star Trek episode was broadcast in prime time, to wide acclaim.

    For this reason, and on a related note, anyone who complains about a science fiction show or movie being 'too political' is more often than not a moron and/or disingenious.

    thepianistfroggollum ,

    Scifi has always been about sociological commentary.

    Jamie ,
    @Jamie@jamie.moe avatar

    This is a very well written take. Have my upvote.

    Cracks_InTheWalls ,
    @Cracks_InTheWalls@sh.itjust.works avatar

    The Matrix comment there gave me a moment of sudden clarity. Literally never considered that interpretation until now.

    Ghostalmedia ,
    @Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

    Your grandmother is choking. YouTube believes in preventing elder abuse. You are an unfit guardian. Your grandmother will be put in the custody of YouTube. YouTube: “Fuck you, I’m streaming.”

    Whitebrow ,

    I hate that I read it in the exact voice from the movie. Thanks

    Ghostalmedia ,
    @Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

    Would you like to watch another EPIC IPHONE 15 PRO MAX DROP TEST FAIL video?

    TrenchcoatFullofBats ,

    PLEASE DRINK A VERIFICATION CAN

    bachatero ,

    Now with more… SHOCK

    kautau ,

    “Welcome to X.com. I love you”

    get_the_reference_ ,

    I like X too, we should hang out!

    Lucidlethargy ,

    Lol I can’t tell if that was a real reply. I assume it’s a satire account?

    Bonehead , (edited ) in Restaurant Bill

    The service charge is not a tip or gratuity, and is an added fee controlled by the restaurant that helps subsidize the staff wages so that management doesn't have to while still seeming to have reasonable prices on the menu. Also, management takes a cut as it subsidizes their wages too.

    Edit: I get why this upsets some people, but the downvote button is not a disagree button. I merely restated the restaurant's explanation in plain language. I'm not agreeing with it...

    cerevant ,

    If you charge me for service, I’m not paying extra for service.

    Call it what it is - a junk fee so they can make their prices look lower than they are. I wouldn’t go to this restaurant a second time.

    MxM111 ,

    The cost of food in American restaurants includes service charger. It just not itemized. Waiters do have salaries, so it comes from somewhere.

    cerevant ,

    That’s my point. This restaurant is try to bait and switch their customers by giving a misleading food price and adding a service charge. It is like a cell phone company adding garbage fees.

    As for my initial comment - if you add a percentage for service, that ends my obligation to tip.

    MxM111 ,

    Ah! I see. You were talking exclusively about not coming back into US restaurant, not restaurant in general anywhere in the world. It was not clear for me.

    squaresinger ,

    Hey, look at our cheap food!

    Oh, btw, we didn’t tell you, but it’s actually 18% more expensive than the prices on the menu.

    Also, it’s $10 extra for the plates and silverware.

    And we also charge you for eating in as well, that’s another $10.

    And if you don’t tip on top of that, we get really angry.

    Please leave a 5 star review!

    MxM111 ,

    I was talking about service charge, not tips.

    SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

    American waiters get paid, Parisian ones do it for the pleasure of serving their fellow man.

    dan ,
    @dan@upvote.au avatar

    And we also charge you for eating in as well, that’s another $10.

    Some areas actually have different pricing for eating in vs taking out, as it’s treated differently by the tax laws. Some areas also tax differently based on if it’s cold or hot/cooked food, so a toasted sandwich costs a bit more than an untoasted one. Very small differences, though.

    squaresinger ,

    Yeah, my post was a bit of hyperbole, but I’ve been to a fancy restaurant a while ago, where they did make you pay for cutlery and also for the table separately.

    But they didn’t have a take-away option.

    NateNate60 ,

    By tradition, the service charge is supposed to be paid to the staff. Therefore, it’s not customary to tip when you’re assessed a service charge, although many restaurants choose to ask for a tip anyway.

    If you work in a restaurant that charges a service charge but pockets it… you’re being robbed.

    BrandoGil ,

    Unfortunately, this isn’t true anymore. At least in PA.

    34 Pa. Code 231.114. Service charges.

    § 231.114 b

    The notice required by subsection (a) must state that the administrative charge is for administration of the banquet, special function or package deal and does not include a tip to be distributed to the employees who provided service to the guests.

    www.pacodeandbulletin.gov/Display/pacode?file=/se…

    Rivalarrival ,

    If this restaurant was passing the entire service charge to its waitstaff, it would be advantageous to call it a gratuity and exempt it from sales and income tax. The IRS does not tax tips/gratuities as income.

    By charging (state) sales tax on the service fee, they also have to declare it as revenue, which increases their income and thus their income tax. They have to pay a portion of that service fee in income tax, so they aren’t going to be passing the full amount to their waitstaff. The restaurant will be keeping the bulk of that service fee.

    Mango ,

    Heck, I wouldn’t even pay this restaurant the first time. I’m out. You ain’t making me pay extra after the fact.

    Gork ,

    subsidize the staff wages so that management doesn’t have to

    Yeah that’s a pretty shit reason to levy this fee unsuspectingly.

    ilikecoffee ,

    Sounds like it does much the same thing as tipping then, right? But then the receipt says you should pay the service charge and a tip on top 🤔

    I’m not American so maybe someone can explain this to me, haha…

    wolfpack86 ,

    It doesn’t make sense to any sane person. But basically:

    The restaurant feels that costs have increased and in order to remain profitable they must raise prices. Instead of raising prices on the menu, take the canoli as an example, from $11 to $13, they decided to add it after the calculation.

    This means the customer may go out with an idea of what they would like to spend (maybe it’s a special treat for them) orders based on the menu, figures tip and tax… Expects to be out for $100… But surprise! You owe a fucking service charge.

    Now-- I’m not into this particular restaurant’s finances. Let’s be generous and assume they need to charge more to break even. This is the shady (and should be illegal) way to do this. They should instead raise prices and be honest with the customer what they feel they need to charge.

    Wermhatswormhat ,

    The problem is, this is still decietful. If this is an issue then the correct move would be to make every item on the menu 18% more expensive as a base. Because now, they still get to say “oh well our prices are still low come eat here and get “X item” for “Y price” but that’s not true anymore because of the service charge. It’s just a way to keep menu items lower in price but increase the price at the end.

    kent_eh ,

    that helps subsidize the staff wages

    Allegedly

    But If that’s the reality, I feel no need to add a tip.

    Rivalarrival ,

    They probably pay $1/hr over minimum tipped wages. About $0.75 of that $17.22 fee goes to paying that increased wage, and the rest is pocketed.

    If they wanted to subsidize worker wages, they would include a mandatory gratuity rather than a service fee. Gratuities are passed directly to workers.

    This is truly scummy behavior.

    fishos ,
    @fishos@lemmy.world avatar

    Except you’re wrong. It is a tip because the tip is the service charge. The tip specifically is “we pay them less than minimum wage and your tip covered the rest of their service cost”. A tip AND a service charge, especially a service charge not levied because there were X+ people at the table, is double dipping on the tip. Both fees are for the same thing. Either increase prices or increase the tip(or pay your workers fairly and don’t expect me to subsidized the rest with these secret fees). Make them upfront and honest. This isn’t. This is a perfect invitation to say “you already charged me for the service, so no tip is needed, because that’s what it is for”.

    dan ,
    @dan@upvote.au avatar

    The tip specifically is "we pay them less than minimum wage

    Not everywhere. Some areas don’t allow wages that are lower than minimum wage for tipped jobs. The area I live in in California is around $17-18/hr minimum wage regardless of if the job is tipped or not.

    ReluctantMuskrat ,

    Except you’re wrong. Service charges are not considered tips under FLSA rules within the US. Many states and local jurisdictions have special rules for tipped wages, how they’re taxed and those taxes are collected, and service charges are not included in that definition.

    www.dov.gov/agencies/…/15-tipped-employees-flsa

    fishos ,
    @fishos@lemmy.world avatar

    Nice reading comprehension. The TIP is a service charge. You got that backwards buddy. So a service charge and a tip is service charge x2. Or you’re admitting that a tip is only for “above and beyond thanks”, in which case it’s not mandatory and this is again a scam.

    Rivalarrival ,

    A tip is money paid directly to the worker providing the service. The restaurant can’t keep any part of it. They are not taxed on it, either as sales tax or income tax. That money is only counted as income to the worker.

    This service fee was subject to sales tax. It will also be subject to income tax by the restaurant. The restaurant gets to keep as much of it as they want.

    “Mandatory gratuities” are tips that the restaurant obligates the customer pay to the waitstaff. Where these are charged, you are not allowed to stiff the waitstaff. The restaurant cannot keep any part of that gratuity.

    Tips/gratuities and service fees are not the same thing at all.

    fishos ,
    @fishos@lemmy.world avatar

    I’m not talking the law, I’m talking what the tip actually is in practice. It’s the service charge. You’re paying for the server to serve you. The tip isn’t for the food. It for the server serving. Just because you’ve been conned and guilted into accepting this as normal doesn’t make it right. And just because it’s taxed doesn’t mean it’s still not extra income to the resturaunt. Would it be ok if I mugged you but paid taxes on the money and gave it a cutesy name?

    Rivalarrival ,

    A “tip” is for the server serving.

    A “mandatory gratuity” is for the server serving.

    A “service fee” is for the restaurant existing. Service fees do not go directly to the staff. The restaurant keeps most of that service fee.

    I mentioned taxes not to suggest that the practice is legitimate, but to demonstrate that the money is income to the restaurant. Tips are not income to the restaurant. Tips are income only to the staff.

    I acknowledge that there is no significant distinction to the customer between a tip and a service fee, but there is a highly relevant distinction between the two for the restaurant and the server. The service fee this restaurant is charging is money stolen from its staff.

    This restaurant could support its workers by adding a mandatory gratuity to the bill, in which case I would agree that no tips should be paid. But a service charge is not a tip. A service charge is not a gratuity. A service charge is not paid to the servers. A service charge is kept by the restaurant.

    ReluctantMuskrat ,

    You might want to read it again

    Service Charges: A compulsory charge for service, for example, 15 percent of the bill, is not considered a tip under the FLSA. Sums distributed to employees from service charges are not tips, but may be used to satisfy the employer’s minimum wage and overtime pay obligations under the FLSA.

    A place implementing a service charge cannot classify it as a tip, even if it’s 100% passed onto the employee… a mandatory charge is not a tip, even if the restaurant encourages you to treat it that way. Certain states and jurisdictions tax tips differently than regular wages, and service charges are wages, not tips.

    Rivalarrival ,

    If they charged a mandatory gratuity, I would agree with you. An 18% mandatory gratuity is an 18% tip to the waitstaff; you are not expected to pay an additional tip on top of that.

    A tip is money directly to the waitstaff. The restaurant can’t touch it. The restaurant is not charged sales tax nor income tax on money collected as tips. When they collect a gratuity, it goes directly to the staff.

    This “service fee” was taxed. It did not go directly to the waitstaff; it was recorded as sales revenue, and thus income to the restaurant. The restaurant is being taxed on it before any of it gets to the staff. They would only do that if they are keeping a part of it, which they could not do if it was considered a “tip” or “gratuity”.

    Charging a “service fee” is a legal way for the restaurant to steal tips from employees, while making you think they are paying it to their staff.

    Most likely, they pay minimum tipped wage plus $1/hr. They are making $3.13/hr plus tips instead of $2.13/hr plus tips. That extra $1 is the higher “base wage” they are talking about.

    About $0.75 of that $17.22 service fee goes toward increasing the “base wage”, with the rest counted as income to the restaurant.

    This is not the perfect opportunity to say “you already charged me for the service”. This is the perfect opportunity to name and shame this scumbag restaurant for its shitty business practices, and never eat their again.

    XEAL ,

    The downvote button is a lazy disagree button, but people is also dumb.

    MisterFrog ,
    @MisterFrog@lemmy.world avatar

    In Australia this would be illegal drip pricing. JUST INCLUDE EVERYTHING IN THE PRICE OF THE FOOD! Is it so hard?

    Absolutely wild you also don’t add tax in the price in the US.

    Is it too much to ask to just be told the price upfront on the menu?

    alphacyberranger , in Well, fuck you too.
    @alphacyberranger@lemmy.world avatar

    I want more predatory websites to do this so that I can avoid them.

    Obi ,
    @Obi@sopuli.xyz avatar

    Anyone out of the EU can VPN to an EU country and benefit.

    mariusafa , (edited ) in It seems like all packaged foods do this now

    Let me introduce you to tolerance in measuring instruments and measuring errors.

    Edit: Apparently I’m pro evil companies because I just pointed out that scales (and more importantly non-professional scales) have relatively high error tolerances (+ the measurament method error). Thus the measuring of this pasta and the possible interpretations of it have to take into account that.

    1111 ,

    When was the last time OP performed a guage R&R with a traceable calibrated mass standard? 😂

    riodoro1 ,

    Somehow its always lower than claimed.

    0xD ,

    “Always” is a really strong word that you should not be using in this context since it’s just not true.

    AnUnusualRelic ,
    @AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world avatar

    For example, there once was more than indicated on a package of lentils in 1958. So it’s clearly not always.

    madcaesar ,

    Got em!

    PennyAndAHalf ,

    Last year this claim went around for the Loblaws No Name brand in Canada so I went shopping with my kitchen scale, preparing to be outraged. Everything was a solid 10% over the advertised weight.

    6mementomori ,

    the tolerance exploit

    pinkdrunkenelephants ,

    That does not apply in today’s world where shrinkflation and consumer fraud run rampant.

    It us solely the company’s responsibility to ensure each package is labeled with the correct weight, not the consumer to tolerate excuses like “measuing errors” whether they’re valid or not. Companies have too much power to just not know or be able to accurately weigh or label their product, ergo if there’s a problem, they chose to have it in there. And if you dispute that, I will simply block you and move on.

    Stop defending evil corporations. Stop doing this.

    Kolanaki ,
    @Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

    You think tolerances and measuring errors don’t exist just because shrinkflation and fraud are things that exist?

    I hate capitalism and corporate bullshit, too, but I don’t need to get outraged at the shit that’s barely an inconvenience like missing 8 grams of spaghetti in a 410 gram package that was mass produced. That shit would happen even if the companies weren’t asshats.

    pinkdrunkenelephants ,

    Yes, they are literally just excuses for shrinkflation and companies only benefit from shitheads like you to give them an easy out.

    The world doesn’t revolve around tiny minute details and jargon from a field that doesn’t actually positively affect most people’s lives.

    Our kitchen scales are the standard, not your overblown overpriced ones that are too precise to be meaningful to the average consumer.

    We are in charge, not you.

    shuzuko ,

    That’s a lot of words to say “I don’t actually understand how technology works”.

    ieatpillowtags , (edited )

    That’s an absurd take, how can a company know anything about whatever random crappy scale you bought second hand?

    We have standards for a reason.

    n7gifmdn ,
    @n7gifmdn@lemmy.ca avatar

    surprised this wasn’t a lemmygrad user

    dan ,
    @dan@upvote.au avatar

    missing 8 grams of spaghetti in a 410 gram package

    It’s more likely that the scales are inaccurate.

    mariusafa ,

    All that speech does not change that the weighing scales he is using is cheap af and thus the measuring error is high enough. Even if the guys at the company had the best measuring system in the world without error and they packed 410g of pasta, the guy measuring at home with that scale would probably mesure a vaule not equal to the nominal one.

    Maybe the scales have measuring errors because they defend evil corporations. “Please scales stop defending evil corporations!!”. Dude i hate scales they are so much pro system…

    Srry your comment was too funny for me.

    pinkdrunkenelephants ,

    All that speech doesn’t change the fact that your standards don’t matter, ours do, and if our scales don’t match what that package says, you have to put more product in to make it do so or you are defrauding us. Period.

    Now come back when you’re ready to meet our standards.

    mp3 ,
    @mp3@lemmy.ca avatar

    your standards don’t matter, ours do, and if our scales don’t match what that package says, you have to put more product in to make it do so or you are defrauding us. Period.

    I’m not sure if I’m missing a joke here, but are you asking for some alternative-metrology here?!

    Weight is a well-defined standard, and a properly calibrated scale > your kitchen scale.

    mariusafa ,

    Yeah this guy is pure comedy at this point tbh. Are you of the “our standards” team or “their standards” team (very evil, probably eat childs too)

    mariusafa ,

    You sound like an angry oldman not wanting to accept reality.

    So you want companies to put excess product because you don’t know how to measure correctly (or don’t have good equipment). Well ask them. For the price of 410g, too? No? And maybe a paycheck supplement too.

    I want a lot of things too.

    The point is that it isn’t false advertising if you don’t know how to measure well. Is not a standar or whatever you think it is. It’s reality.

    Outside the kindergarten where everything seems so simple and easy to understand. In real life you don’t have ideal things. You don’t have an ideal measuring place.

    Sources of error when measuring:

    • The material cut tolerance.
    • Your house not being perfectly smooth leveled.
    • (for electronic scales) RF noise.
    • (for electronic scales) Tolerance on electronic components.
    • The scale subjection points not perfectly pressed.
    • (for electronic scales) discretization error.
    • Components degradation.
    • Humidity.
    • Gas denisty near the scale.
    • Gravity fluctuations in the region of measurement.
    • Surface of the sample not resting completly in the scale plate. Etc.

    And you are ranting about evil and “our” standards or whatever for a 2% error in the measurement? I would expect a 5% error given all that. That scale must be an exceptional good one.

    It’s not standards it’s reality. Why do you think measuring labs are so expensive? Evil companies?

    Try measuring your height more than once and see if results change. Hey if they change, you work for the evil companies, and you probably live in our “standards zone”.

    Our/Yours standards was pure comedy. It’s getting better and better.

    JJROKCZ ,

    You aren’t shit. They scales do meet standards that are tested periodically to ensure they aren’t false advertising. Do you really think these corporations don’t have audits?

    Calm down, touch grass, try to get in touch with reality and stay off the tankie portions of the internet that feed these delusions.

    xigoi ,
    @xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    It’s clearly a conspiracy by Big Scale to sell more scales.

    BorgDrone ,

    It us solely the company’s responsibility to ensure each package is labeled with the correct weight, not the consumer to tolerate excuses like “measuing errors” whether they’re valid or not

    The measuring error is on OP’s end, not the manufacturer.

    Swedneck , in How is woke a religion?
    @Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    reminder that every time people complain about wokeness they’re literally just complaining about being conscious about systemic racism, because that’s what woke means.

    Just replace “woke” with “being a decent person” and it becomes pretty clear what these people want.

    IchNichtenLichten ,
    @IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world avatar

    “Woke” started out as a simple acknowledgment that a person is conscious of the systemic oppression of various groups. Now the right wing has got its claws into the term it’s been effectively neutered. Now all it means is, “stuff that right wingers don’t like”

    It’s like “defund the police” which quickly became “abolish all policing”.

    It’s a useful strategy for them and it works to prevent honest discussion on how to solve societal problems by preventing people from having a shared understanding of the language needed for such discussion.

    AlternatePersonMan ,

    Ugh, “defund the police” is a terrible phrase if you actually want the movement to succeed. I wish they would have gone with something along the lines of “police reform”. Immediately every conservative glommed onto “now they want to abolish all police!”

    We do need a massive overhaul to police. Unfortunately that means better marketing of the idea of it’s going to happen.

    IchNichtenLichten ,
    @IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world avatar

    I could be wrong but “defund the police” was just a discussion point for activists talking amongst themselves. In that context it makes sense. What happened was that this inelegant phrase was seized as a weapon by the right and then every Dem politician had to answer if they supported the idea of abolishing the police.

    I’d imagine that many people would be receptive to the idea of taking some money out of police budgets so social workers and people trained in deescalation can be hired. For example cops aren’t a good fit when dealing with people facing mental health crises because they mostly turn to use of force and make a bad situation worse.

    If you twist this into, “are you in favor of abolishing all police?” then most people are going to say, “hell no, what a stupid idea, you moron”.

    Now any discussion about the rotten state of policing in the US had been effectively hobbled. Discussion is shut down. The right wing wins.

    AlternatePersonMan ,

    That makes more sense.

    I know the real idea behind it. I just never liked it being summarized as defund. It’s more like restructure. Personally, I would be much more aggressive with an overall. It’s rotten top to bottom.

    fushuan ,

    What happened was that this inelegant phrase was seized as a weapon by the right

    I vividly remember tons of memes and posts on reddit, done in leftist grups by leftist people stating the sentence “defund the police”. The right did manipulate the meaning, but saying that they were the sole perpetrators of the popularity of the phrase is silly.

    IchNichtenLichten ,
    @IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world avatar

    How many in number, would you say? 100? 200?

    fushuan ,

    In number? idk, about 1-3 a day that was on the top of r/all with tons of comments, iirc it was when the Floyd protest were happening, alongside the BLM movement (not the organization). I don’t remember it too well, it’s been 3 years already, but I do remember that it was a whole thing with posts, comments, memes and so on.

    HughJanus ,

    this inelegant phrase was seized as a weapon by the right

    Were “the right” the ones at protests holding up hundreds of signs that said “defund the police”?

    DarkGamer ,
    @DarkGamer@kbin.social avatar

    Unfortunately police reform doesn't necessarily imply taking police funds and diverting them to nonviolent responders instead. It's hard to make that into a catchy phrase that can't be misinterpreted. I could see cities implementing some rubber-stamp oversight board filled with ex-cops and saying, "see, we reformed the police! They have oversight now."

    markr ,

    just about every police reform has failed to provide any independent oversight, failed to address the core problems, and generally just poured more money into the already bloated and militarized police force.

    dragonflyteaparty ,

    I like “unburden the police”. Take away things that aren’t actual policing. Cops don’t need to be out there doing animal control for example.

    PickTheStick ,

    For better or worse, that aspect is never going away. Places with less funds, like rural counties and cities, rely on their police to do everything that gets called in to 911 and isn’t fire/ems/construction (which, thankfully, they have dedicated teams/people for).

    dragonflyteaparty ,

    I see that, but it doesn’t mean that bigger cities couldn’t have different departments handle it

    HughJanus ,

    Ugh, “defund the police” is a terrible phrase if you actually want the movement to succeed.

    I feel like these are probably astroturfed movements. Because you can say the same thing about the “antiwork” movement, whose proponents claim to actually want to work.

    The designation of your movement is kind of important.

    teft ,
    @teft@startrek.website avatar

    Same happened to the terms “political correctness” and “social justice”. The meaning gets twisted into something grotesque by think tanks and then it’s shipped out to talking heads so Billy-Bob can regurgitate it at the water cooler.

    IchNichtenLichten ,
    @IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world avatar

    Critical Race Theory, school libraries full of porn, caravans of migrants heading to the southern border, activist judges legislating from the bench, and so on.

    Maeve ,

    Except activist judges legislating from the bench is real, and they seem to be the worst possible humans doing so. “Seem” being key.

    snooggums ,
    @snooggums@kbin.social avatar

    You see, when justices make ruling based on personal rights of people conservatives hate then they are activists.

    When they allow conservatives to stomp all over the rights of minorities then they are just using 'common sense' or something.

    Maeve ,

    You’re not wrong and that’s sad.

    Uranium3006 ,
    @Uranium3006@kbin.social avatar

    "It’s like “defund the police” which quickly became “abolish all policing”."

    It's actually the other way around. The radical demand got watered down but it didn't slow the fearmongeringbl even a little bit

    IchNichtenLichten ,
    @IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world avatar

    Maybe? I don’t have a definite timeline and there were lots of groups talking to each other.

    LazaroFilm ,
    @LazaroFilm@lemmy.world avatar

    I still have a hard time how “woke” is bad. Woke means your not asleep, it means you are not guided by others. How can people turn this into a bad thing. I’m proud to be woke.

    IchNichtenLichten ,
    @IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world avatar

    Woke means that if you’re in a privileged position in a society, more equality is a threat to your status and should be suppressed.

    LazaroFilm ,
    @LazaroFilm@lemmy.world avatar

    That’s the Bs meaning they’re giving. It’s like the way they change the definition of patriotism to match nationalism.

    III ,

    This is 100% correct. The term has no definition in their world, it is just another form of their “boogeyman” control methods to keep the stupid and scared engaged. It only works on these fearful idiots because of this fact.

    Neato ,
    @Neato@kbin.social avatar

    acknowledgment that a person is conscious of the systemic oppression of various groups.

    “stuff that right wingers don’t like”

    theyre_the_same_picture.jpg

    But yes. The right has polluted yet another word and tried to turn it into a pejorative.

    doleo ,

    I honestly can’t believe that using this word unironically has caught on. Everything I think is just a stupid joke on the internet turns out to be the internet reflecting just how idiotic humanity really is.

    Either that, or just an unpleasant shock at just how ‘mask-off’ some people have become.

    Maeve ,

    I’m going with the “mask off” probability.

    Turkey_Titty_city ,

    Lots of 'woke' people are shitty people. I've had way too many experiences in the past few years with 'woke' people screaming at me about how I need to read more women authors or I'm a shitty awful human being. Or other equally absurd things, like I'm a bigot if I don't ask you what your pronoun is. If you have a pronoun preference, how about you tell me? Just like you tell someone how to pronounce your name if it's non-standard.

    I know lots of progressive people, and I am progressive. But I would never say I am 'woke'. People who self-identify 'woke' tend to be mentally ill crazy people in my encounters, and use their politics as an excuse for abusive and hostile behavior just the way right-wing nazi nutbags do.

    Hell I even had a transwoman assault me verbally one day while I was just reading a book in a cafe. Comes up to me and demands that I give her my table because I'm a white cis guy and I should give up my 'privileged' to her. I told her to f off. My small business has been harassed by 'woke' activists who demand we give them money or they will say we are anti-black/lgbt+, etc. That's not woke, that's blackmail.

    Most 'woke' people I meet are basically 20 sometime trust-fund types who need a cause to give her their miserable lives purpose, because god knows they can't get their shit together and do something positive with their lives. If they did maybe they'd stop being such awful abusive people who threaten and harass others.

    archiotterpup ,

    Most of those people are the types to virtue signal because they know they benefit from an unjust system but won’t work to dismantle it.

    I’ve never known someone to identify as “woke”.

    IchNichtenLichten ,
    @IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world avatar

    Hell I even had a transwoman assault me verbally one day while I was just reading a book in a cafe. Comes up to me and demands that I give her my table because I’m a white cis guy and I should give up my ‘privileged’ to her.

    I’m betting this never happened.

    Daft_ish ,

    The other day a TrAnSGenDEr WoKe person came into my yard and kicked my dog. And I WOULD know. I’m a dog.

    neanderthal ,

    That’s not woke, that’s blackmail.

    That’s worse. That sort of shit turns ignorant and gullible people anti-LGBT and makes their already difficult lives even harder.

    who need a cause to give her their miserable lives purpose

    Tell them to fight global warming. It is the problem that makes all other problems all but irrelevant in comparison.

    scrubbles ,
    @scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech avatar

    Comes up to me and demands that I give her my table because I’m a white cis guy and I should give up my ‘privileged’ to her.

    I’ll take “Things that never happened” for 600, Alex

    SaltySalamander ,
    @SaltySalamander@kbin.social avatar

    Yea I don't believe any of this. =)

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    You do sound like a shitty awful human being if I’m to be honest.

    SuddenlyBlowGreen ,

    Hell I even had a transwoman assault me verbally one day while I was just reading a book in a cafe. Comes up to me and demands that I give her my table because I’m a white cis guy and I should give up my ‘privileged’ to her. I told her to f off. My small business has been harassed by ‘woke’ activists who demand we give them money or they will say we are anti-black/lgbt+, etc. That’s not woke, that’s blackmail.

    That transwoman? Albertina Einstein.

    CanadaPlus ,

    Hey! It’s “being a decent person in a way not sanctioned by their local culture”. If you’re decent to the correct people with enough pandering imagery that’s fine.

    Blamemeta ,

    Except woke people aren’t decent. Some woke people have good intentions, sure, but they aren’t decent. Being woke means being evil.

    Swedneck ,
    @Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    this is actually incoherent

    IchNichtenLichten ,
    @IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world avatar

    I have mixed feelings about Lemmy still being so small that I can recognize usernames and think, “oh, there’s that nut job again”

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    One of these days, I’ll pay attention to usernames. It didn’t happen on Reddit for over a decade, but you never know.

    Carighan ,
    @Carighan@lemmy.world avatar

    Well, do explain then.

    Jimbo ,
    @Jimbo@yiffit.net avatar

    Haha oh yeah I’ve seen your around. Fuck off.

    LazaroFilm ,
    @LazaroFilm@lemmy.world avatar

    Atheism is refusal of forced ideas upon someone. Which means one has to use critical thinking to determine their path in life. The problem is that it’s much harder to control the masses if that population thinks for themselves.

    Daft_ish ,

    Kinda like being against anti-fascists… aka fascists.

    beckerist , in Being forced to download the Reddit app onto my phone to view any 'NSFW' post, even though I'm on my desktop

    old.reddit will be killed off before the ipo in March

    mark my words

    Stoneykins , (edited )

    Spez explicitly promised they wouldn’t get rid of old reddit.

    Which I took to mean they intend to ruin it by cramming all the shitty new features into it and taking away the things it does better.

    Edit: I don’t trust spez lmao I just think what he said might be a hint for how they will fuck reddit up going forward

    beckerist ,

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  • kilgore_trout ,

    I understand it’s not a good look, but:

    1. Reddit used to auto-assign admins to unmoderated subreddits
    2. It has nothing to do with his trustworthiness
    bdonvr ,

    lololol wouldn’t be the first time by far he’s broken an explicit promise

    Fedizen ,

    imagine thinking business leaders in the US have any honor or credibility.

    waigl ,
    deweydecibel ,

    I don’t know, old.reddit feels like it probably serves some internal purposes, and it’s a safe fallback for when they inevitably release buggy shit on the new site.

    old.reddit will probably be broken or maybe even restricted more and more as time goes by (it already has been) but I don’t see them killing it entirely.

    prole ,

    At the very least, they will remove NSFW content from it.

    oce ,
    @oce@jlai.lu avatar

    Sounds likely that in the future, they will release changes that will break old and they will decide not to fix it.

    PM_Your_Nudes_Please ,

    Ah yes, the AlienBlue treatment. Just stop updating it, and implement features that are almost laser-focused on breaking functionality.

    CaptDust ,

    I thought I read old reddit still has a lot of mod tools that haven’t been brought over yet, seemed to be it’s main purpose for continuing to exist.

    psud ,

    Old Reddit is the only place moderators have any 3rd party tools. When Reddit kills it, many more mods will quit. Large subs will be completely unmanageable

    JoMiran , in wow thats great mate cheers helpful
    @JoMiran@lemmy.ml avatar

    That’s me and I have zero fucking regrets. Over 12 years I commented with solutions to tech problems. For a few niche problems, my Reddit answer was the only relevant answer Google returned. I sanitized it all. Fuck Reddit. They don’t get to profit from me anymore.

    MrRazamataz OP ,
    @MrRazamataz@lemmy.razbot.xyz avatar

    Completely fair to be honest. This was more of a post showing its funny how useless reddit can be without its pissed off users.

    Laticauda , (edited )

    I hope you at least provided those answers elsewhere.

    Edit: I never said they were obligated to provide the info, but if they were willing to provide it before then I’m sure lots of people who relied on that info would be happy to have an alternative source for the same info, if the person I replied to was willing to provide it again. If not then that’s up to them. It’s not like I was demanding that they offer it.

    CeeBee ,

    Are they obligated to?

    Chozo ,

    Of course not. But that's why deleting your account is a double-edged blade. Yeah, you can fuck over Reddit a little bit by doing this (realistically they probably made less than $1 from any one user's tech solution posts). But the people who really get fucked over by this are users outside of Reddit, looking for answers to their problems.

    I'm not saying either option is right or wrong. But there's absolutely a cost incurred in deleting content like that, and the one who ends up paying most of it is not the one who was targeted to begin with.

    bandario ,
    @bandario@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Over time the problem will fix itself as search engines begin showing results from Lemmy instances. Most of the useful people are here now.

    Chozo ,

    It's impossible to quantify such a claim right now. Lemmy instances are still largely poorly-ranked in search engine rankings. For instance, I can search for a comment that I've written on Lemmy from months ago, word for word in quotes, and Google can't actually find it anywhere. It's a string of text that has no other results, either.

    huginn ,

    Note this is more than account deletion: this is per-comment deletion. Accounts when deleted do not expunge comments.

    criitz ,

    I think your comparison isn’t completely fair - you’re comparing the insignificant large scale impact to reddit of one account being removed with the significant impact to the users looking for answers as if it was done at a large scale.

    ie. One account being deleted barely hurts reddit, but it also only barely affects “the users” at large. If many people deleted their comments it would hurt the search users at large, but that would also hurt reddit. They are linked.

    Chozo ,

    Think of how much money Reddit could have possibly lost as a result of people deleting their technical posts from the platform, and how much money they likely make in a day. Even if one were to assume that every user deleted their technical posts, I would have to assume that it cost Reddit less than a tenth of a percent of what they earn in a single day to lose those posts, given the scale at which the rest of Reddit operates. Realistically, that type of content is a very, very small portion of what Reddit actually monetizes across their platform.

    Now think of how much of a person's day may be spent trying to troubleshoot a technical problem when all the answers have been deleted from the internet.

    Who do you think suffers more from this? Reddit with their billions of dollars, or randos on the internet spending their time trying to find deleted knowledge?

    criitz ,

    Unless the fact that no one can find technical answers there anymore means people gradually stop using reddit. It’s a less direct impact to reddit than to users, I’ll give you that. But when you’re fighting a corporate conglomerate you have only so many tools.

    CeeBee ,

    This is such a “shoot the messenger” type argument.

    It’s not the users who deleted their accounts who screwed over other users. It’s Reddit taking a toxic and anti-user stance that pushed many users away.

    Reddit is the one that’s at fault. It’s exactly like saying “you screwed over the kids by getting divorced from your abusive mate”.

    Laticauda ,

    I never said they were obligated to, but it would be nice if people had an alternative to give the traffic to and also it wouldn’t be leaving anyone who needs the info in the lurch, if they were willing to put that info elsewhere.

    Smoogs ,

    Depends what it was. If it’s programming someone possibly already provided an answer on stack overflow

    cooopsspace ,

    They aren’t obligated to do shit for free

    Laticauda ,

    Never said they were. But they were willing to offer the information at some point, would be nice for people who might need it if they provided an alternative source to find the information they’d already been willing to give in the past, if they were still willing to provide it. Hell, they can charge for it if they want, though considering Lemmy’s hard on for FOSS, they’d probably get dog piled for it harder than I did in this thread if they did.

    pedalmore ,

    How, and be specific here, do you think OP should publish their hundreds of useful comments out of thousands over the past decade plus on Reddit? There is no easy way to move entire threads with context and answers. So your proposal, which sounds reasonable enough, isn’t really viable. OP will continue to provide answers here and wherever they choose. If you’re upset, blame Reddit, not OP.

    Laticauda ,

    I didn’t know if they had a dedicated account for it or not, and there are scripts for archiving comments just like there are scripts for deleting them. I’m not blaming the OP of anything, if they don’t want to do that then ultimately that’s their prerogative.

    brad , in Everything has LEDs now and they drive me nuts

    I get to be that guy! I’m so excited!

    In power strips, the lights are (in the overwhelming majority of cases) actually a neon bulb! They’re cheaper for that specific purpose because they can be powered directly off of the mains power with a single resistor.

    Your point is entirely valid and I bear the same cross, this is just a fun fact you can use to impress colleagues, strangers, and potential lovers, dazzling them with your deep esoteric knowledge of and passion for illuminators in power strips.

    c2h6 ,

    Hah, this is what I liked the most about reddit - learning random bits of knowledge about things I knew nothing about. I’m glad to see this happen here too!

    Darkwatch00 ,

    Hell yes me too. And it was the top comment.

    artifice ,

    What’s a reddit?

    oce ,
    @oce@jlai.lu avatar

    It was a website from the old times of the internet, where people behind pseudonyms could freely discuss links and texts inside thematic communities.

    kalahlora ,

    sounds weird

    czarrie ,
    @czarrie@lemmy.world avatar

    It’ll never work.

    Bridger ,

    Sounds kind of like usenet…

    Kyle ,

    I don’t know what those things are either, but I’m not into antiques.

    meyotch ,
    @meyotch@lemmy.mitchday.com avatar

    Better off you never learn.

    Magiwarriorx ,

    This is also why those power strip lights can sometimes flicker in the dark. They are sometimes over-driven for extra brightness; this does cut their lifespan, but they usually still last for many years regardless. However, towards the end of that shortened lifespan, the accumulated damage to the electrodes leads to flickering as it struggles to keep the neon excited. However, incoming photons can give just a little extra nudge, which sometimes is enough to keep the neon excited and glowing.

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