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southsamurai , in Brits: Salt is a spice
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The meme is funny :)

That being said, the only UK foods I’ve had were made by expats here in the states. None of it was bland, with the exception of breakfast beans, “because they’re meant to be mild to start your day” as I was told by a lovely liverpudlian.

She would do fish and chips, and the batter was well seasoned. Not heavily seasoned, but some pepper, a little paprika, and a bit of onion powder to give it some aromatic kick. Well balanced, and imo, as good as any of the southern fried fish recipes I’ve had.

The chips were obviously just salted and vinegar used per person.

But when we did pot luck at work, she would bring in what she called “good english food”, which included some curry a few times.

But her shepherd’s pie? Holy hell, that was some great stuff. She said it was really cottage pie because it was beef usually. But it had the usual pepper, onion, garlic, and herbs.

And the other expats I ate with were similar. Maybe different amounts of a given herb or spice, but it was in there.

I think the UK food thing is a meme in itself, and likely arose the way things usually do, with the majority of cooks just being bad cooks, rather than representative of a cuisine or the way things are done properly in that country.

MY_ANUS_IS_BLEEDING ,

The reputation comes from the US military being stationed in the UK during the height of WW2 rationing when there was an extremely limited list of ingredients to cook with. They were unable to associate a country under an attempted siege from U-boats with a reduced supply of food.

We do have a love of beige food at times, but it’s essentially our version of chicken tendies.

southsamurai ,
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Ahhh, that makes sense. Kinda rough that the rep hasn’t gone away yet, though.

01011 , (edited )

It hasn’t gone away because countless students from across the globe have moved there and found it to be true. While there is good food available in the UK it seems as if the average Brit is content to eat very badly and then supplement a terrible diet with copious amounts of alcohol.

martinb ,

What else would you supplement a terrible diet with?

01011 ,

Coffee? Tea? Illicit drugs.

(They do all the above).

Dasnap ,
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We also had rationing for a good while longer than other countries after the wars (right into the mid-50s), so we have a whole generation who were pretty much raised with limited food options. That kind of national trauma sticks around and took a while to shake off.

Aggravationstation ,

Boomers made that bland war time food linger. They were children during and just after WW2 so it was part of their childhood nostalgia and they fed it to their own kids. Also we’ve had Indian/ Chinese restaurants in the UK for a while but they were mostly just in major cities at first so the average person still had little exposure to foreign or exotic food until the late 1970s/ early 1980s.

exocrinous ,

Boomers weren’t children during WWII. Boomer means baby boomer, as in someone born during the baby boom. The baby boom happened after the war ended.

Aggravationstation ,

Good point. But rationing continued in the UK until 1954 so it did affect them.

june ,

My ex mother in law and her mom both can’t eat any food that’s not a certain level of bland. Too much of any spice at all and they set it aside like an autistic kid with arfid. Which… come to think of it…

lightnegative ,

Yep, this sums up everyone I know over 60 that is descended from British -immigrants- sorry expats.

Actual British people coming over now that still sound British seem to have much more refined taste. BIR-style curries are indeed very popular vs bland British “stew” / casserole

John_McMurray ,

man if you make stew right it’s the most flavourful thing out there. half a bottle of red wine, couple cans crushed tomatos, chop up half your intended vegetables( Carrot, potato, onion, green onion stems, parsnips and celery for me), brown the beef, dump it all in except the other half of your vegetables, bring the level up with strong beef broth till everything is covered, and simmer covered till it all except the beef dissolves into a brown gravy, then add the other half of your vegetables and serve when they are cooked. Bay leaves and rosemary and thyme and pepper of course too. Garlic. Usually enough salt from the beef broth.

prettybunnys ,

I went to the the UK when I was a teenager pre 9/11 and I remember the food being amazing imo.

But honestly I love savory food that just needs a pinch of salt to make it pop so maybe I’m the problem too.

jaybone ,

Literally by definition boomers would have been born after WW2.

captainlezbian ,

Yeah this one was the silent generation

captainlezbian ,

Also as an American we don’t really have room to talk. Yes there’s the iconic southern foods but even then, grits are bland and meh. But for the most part a lot of traditional American food needed to have spices rediscovered. It seems like for a long time our attitude was to use sugar, pre ground pepper, and maybe salt as seasoning for something that had any good texture cooked out of it.

SnipingNinja ,

An aside here: but why is it that people from major cities aren’t considered average? In many cases major cities are major because they have a lot higher density of people leading to more development and resources.

UpperBroccoli ,

It’s the same with English beer. On the continent, people keep saying that Brits drink their beer lukewarm. When I was there, they actually had temperature displays at the tap in most pubs that usually showed something around 4°C (~39°F). For reference, that was in the Huddersfield area (between Leeds and Manchester) around 15 years ago.

egonallanon , (edited )

That’s because of a lot Englishales are drunk at room temp/ slightly below though not as cold as refrigerated.

undergroundoverground ,

True and thats because they were invented before refrigerators.

AlpacaChariot , (edited )

Well in this case the reputation for “warm beer” is true and I’m willing to die on this particular hill.

Proper cask ale should be served at between 8 and 12C, AKA cellar temperature, cool but not cold. Nothing beats a traditional pint of ‘best bitter’ in an old pub!

Plenty of people in the UK drink lager and other styles of beer that are more highly carbonated, stronger ABV, and served colder. Personally I’m not a fan but each to their own.

I live about an hour from London in a rural area with loads of great pubs but I find it difficult to find a nice beer in most parts of London. It’s much easier to keep a keg of carbonated beer under pressure than a cask ale that you have to finish within a few days of tapping, which is why when a certain proportion of a pub’s clientele start drinking other styles it just isn’t worth it for the pub to keep real ale. Hopefully it won’t become a niche thing.

bluewing ,

I’ve home brewed a lot of English ales and I agree that those ales should be served warmer. If you don’t, the cold mutes and kills the subtle and rich flavors.

Lagers are good, but a good British Ale is something to savory with good friends.

yeah ,

I don’t think I’d recommend chilli peppers with your user name.

John_McMurray ,

It’s probably cause his spoon is too big.

Venat0r ,

I’ve heard that food in the US is generally bad, so maybe not the best comparison 😜 😂

Maeve ,

They clearly never had soul food or Gullah/Geechee food.

NoIWontPickaName ,

He's Canadian.

You cant trust those frozen tree suckers

dubyakay ,

Are the trees frozen or the suckers?

MelodiousFunk ,

Depending on the time of year, yes.

Maeve ,

How rude (although it was a clever insult and I literally laughed. I needed that. Thanks)!

southsamurai ,
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Lmao!

A lot of people everywhere don’t know how to cook. They don’t even bother to try and learn, so they rely on corporate packaged foods and restaurants. That’s a separate thing from the cuisine of a given place, or the cooking of people that do know how to.

That may seem like sophistry, but it is an important point to remember when talking about cooking when not joking around for fun. You can’t really use people that aren’t actually doing a thing, or have never learned how to do it as an representative example of what a country’s core is. It’s like athletics, you can’t say that Ethiopians are bad ice skaters if the average person can’t access time and equipment to ice skate in the first place. (Not picking on Ethiopia, it was just the first country that came to mind as not being very present in the world ice skating stage).

It’s legit to say that the US has a major food education problem, as does the UK from what I’ve heard, but that is a different issue than the national cuisine.

Venat0r ,

True, it’s not American cuisine that’s bad, apparently McDonald’s hamburgers taste better in NZ than the USA too, probably because all the beef here is grass fed.

Whitebelt_Dural ,
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I like the safety third crew but they’ve also ate dog food and didn’t find much issue with it.

Venat0r ,

That’s a really good point 😂

VaultBoyNewVegas ,

Shepard’s pie is Irish btw. Not a surprise a scouser would be able to make a good one when Liverpool has a large Irish community.

astreus ,

Common myth, not true.

First recorded recipe for Shepherds Pie is from a Scottish cookbook from 1849. First recorded use of Cottage Pie is 1791 by an English clergyman.

Cottage Pie was used for both lamb and beef varieties until recently and was a way of eating leftover meats.

astreus ,

My favourite “traditional” English meal is a good Steak and Kidney pie, made with an ale sauce. Seasoned with lots of pepper, Worcestershire sauce (anchovy sauce), onion and stock. Absolutely delicious.

Simulation6 ,

Case proven, all the good cooks left.

Rinox ,

I think the issue is mostly in the visuals. When you look for traditional English food, it is usually a plate full of beige stuff, sometimes paired with really unappetizing boiled carrots and beans. The gravy being on the side instead of part of the dish doesn’t do it any favors either.

Also I’d argue England has pretty low standards for what counts as “food”. I’ve had to work in England for a month, and finding something fresh, healthy and tasty to eat was a real challenge. I’ve never been as fat as when I came home.

The epitome of the wasted potential of English cuisine is the fact that it’s an island full of the best fishes in the world, yet the only fish you can find is battered cod. Why is it so hard to get a salmon fillet? You have Scottish salmon ffs!

flashgnash ,

We do have a lot of very bland food over here, but a lot of us like that.

It’s a lot more about the texture sometimes, some of us (not me) can do some amazing roast vegetables and everyone seems to have their own ancient tradition for how to make them

jballs , (edited ) in Here's a phone, call somebody who cares
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For anyone else who was out of the loop, this is a joke from the IT Crowd when (in the show) England was changing their emergency services numbers:

From today, dialing 999 won’t get you the emergency services. And that’s not the only thing that’s changing. Nicer ambulances, faster response times and better-looking drivers mean they’re not just the emergency services — they’re your emergency services. So, remember the new number: 0118 999 881 999 119 725… 3.

Edit: Edited for clarification that this was a joke in the show and England did not change their emergency services number IRL.

Zerush ,
@Zerush@lemmy.ml avatar

0118 999 881 999 119 752… 3 is the Pastor, not confuse

r00ty Admin ,
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We never changed emergency numbers. It might have referred to when we changed directory enquiries from a single one operated by your phone provider to multiple options with the prefix 118 xxx. Or perhaps when we extended emergency services to also have non emergency numbers for police and health issues.

Otherwise it's been 999 for decades (with 112 also routed to the same).

tristan ,

It was the IT crowd, a TV show, not real life

r00ty Admin ,
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No, really? Wow, this is completely new information!

meekah ,
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The original comment did read like it was an actual thing happening in England, though

Aggravationstation ,

It did, but the numbers never changed.

I’ve lived in England for all of my 36 years and it’s always been 999.

15liam20 ,

How do you know? When is the last time you checked?

Aggravationstation ,

You’re right. I’d best give them a call to be on the safe side. Sure they won’t mind if I explain why.

jballs ,
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I’m not British, so I don’t know the history of this. The article I took my info specifically said:

Until 2003, you could call directory enquiries (to find out the phone number of someone if you knew their name and address) by dialing 192. That system was privatized, and you had to dial 118 NNN, where the NNN was the number assigned to a commercial service provider, the most famous of which became 118 118.

So the joke in the show was basically, “what if we did to emergency services what we did to directory enquiries”.

Aggravationstation ,

Lol yea, I forgot that happened.

Don’t think I’ve ever used directory enquiries in my life. I was 16 in 2003 and we already had the internet at home by then.

GeneralEmergency ,

Are you sure about that. They specifically called out England and not the UK. That is a sure fire way to tell that they know what they’re talking about.

trolololol ,

Did you actually mean in real fictional life

Lolol

MargotRobbie , in venture capitalism goes brrr

Lemmy’s biggest competitor at this point isn’t reddit, it’s Discord, or rather, the monster it has become. It seems to me that instead of creating a subreddit nowadays, every project now wants to use a Discord server for everything.

The problem with that is:

  1. Asking messages in a big, open chatroom (over, say, 20 people) gets real messy, real quickly.
  2. Conversations on Discord are difficult to follow when multiple of them are going at once.
  3. The conversations containing solutions to problems in chat or threads are not search indexable, which is the reason why reddit became quietly dominant in search results, it is simply the biggest centralized repository of organized English language text conversations available.

So why do people insist on using Discord servers to build their community? Simple, it’s the network effect. If somebody wants tech support, it’s way easier to click a Discord invite on an account for group chat you already have than it is to sign up for yet another forum that you only use once. But Lemmy doesn’t suffer from that problem of traditional forums because of federation.

Which brings me to my point, if Lemmy is to grow, it’s better to sell Lemmy to disgruntled Discord admins and forum owners to move their community than it is to get people to move off reddit at this point, since people who wants to leave reddit has all done so at this point.

KrummsHairyBalls ,

Discord sucks, but I’ve actually had a 100% successful help rate on it vs Reddit or Lemmy.

Typically Discord servers have specific tech support rooms, and you’ll get help pretty quickly. Only once I have had to ask my question a second time, because it was missed the first time.

Meanwhile Reddit threads just get downvoted, buried, and you’re never helped. Even when I try to search for threads that other people have posted, 90% of threads are just blank.

Lemmy is the worst. Doesn’t matter what you need, they’ll just call you stupid and tell you to use Linux and FOSS alternative, ignoring the fact you NEED to use what you’re asking help with.

nephs ,

Maybe you just identified the need for an activity pub fediverse project specific to dev support/communities for tech projects.

MrShankles ,

A forum should work in tandem with a chatroom in an “ideal” online community, imo. Searchable Q&A with a communication for additional, nuanced interaction. They serve different purposes and can be more powerful when used together, than they could be on their own.

Lemmy does seem to have a bunch of old, crotchety internet nerds on here that like the “old ways” of the webs. But just tell 'em to “go fuck yourself”, if they’re being a dick; and than don’t reply to them again. It’s very freeing. They’re just butt sensitive about linux and foss, cause they were bullied on early internet forums and now act the same way, when expressing their loud-ass opinions. It’s like an unfortunate cycle of abuse that has existed on forums, but don’t let it discourage you from asking anyway… the question might help others

I’m a crotchety old internet nerd… tell me to “go fuck myself”, just for funsies! It’s empowering!

And also… fuck you buddy, get good!

Truck_kun ,

I feel like Discord fills a different need than forum type systems.

The one API I have on discord, likes Discord as a place for casual chat about the system. I think the devs prefer it because it is an active place for the community; to word it better, ‘hey look at this cool thing I did’ > response within a few minutes ‘that’s cool’ heart^5 fire^3 thumbs up^7. Whereas on a forum you’d be waiting for hours, or just not have that casual of a conversation.

It replaces the old usage of IRC servers.

The help channel is highly responsive, and great for things you want a quick chat about, need a response now, or if you get help now great, but if not, you’ll figure it out on your own before you would ever get help on a forum, so it’s not worth posting to a forum.

Threads really do help organize when a discussion is going to be large, and discord is very much searchable, just not from your browser search engine.

For changes to the API, ideas, issues, or bugs, they direct you to github “Discussions” or “Issues”. They do have an idea discord channel, but it’s a more casual thing, or far out there discussions.

Discord does get a lot of hate for it’s searchability, which is valid, but I don’t have a problem with it as long as places like Stack Overflow (or what replaces it) are still around.

HonorIsDead ,

Discord is really bad for preservation of information. I can still find forum posts from 10 years ago on a given topic all over, but discord links seem to expire and break all the damn time and it’s hard to search through. It sucks that discord has become the defacto choice for user community space.

feecoomeeq ,

Discord is the same problem for the internet as the Facebook grups were. Its hermetic, the info stays there, its hard to search thus the same problem is being asked over and over. StackOverflow and Reddit strength is that’s they are indexed and easy accessed

TunaLobster ,

Lenny does part of this yes. Fediverse is the bigger ticket item. From a single account I can federate to different networks and post questions or have other interactions in different formats.

uphillbothways , in They aren't, and I'm sick of being told they are
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Ya know what was a foundational part of the American dream? Pensions. Ya know which employers still offer them? Counties, states and the federal government.

Private companies exist solely to make the people at the top very rich based on the stolen value of employee labor while dumping catastrophic losses in the public sphere. That's capitalism in a nutshell.

You'd have to be unbelievably gullible, naive, traumatized AND brainwashed to be a diehard for a system like that. But, somehow they've managed it. A deluded nation of Amway top performers just one move away from making their own imaginary millions. All simping for the system.

Omega_Haxors ,

Yesterday an American accidentally admitted that they tip their landlord. It was at that point I said to myself “man you fuckers deserve to suffer under whatever republican you end up voting for next election because we all know that’s what you dumb ass motherfuckers are going to do”

shani66 ,

I’m a big proponent of letting people suffer for their bullshit, but please let the rest of us out

IHadTwoCows ,

Telecommunications Act. 1996. The Great Brainwashing where the Party began telling you to ignore the evidence of your eyes and ears.

The best part? …if you endorse force and shick therespy to fix this fucking shit even the “leftists” will call you a violent fascist. Everyone got brainwashed.

the_post_of_tom_joad , in Question for God

“because if it didn’t feel good to poop you dumb monkeys would have died full of shit” is probably God’s/nature’s answer.

electrogamerman ,

Pooping (lots of less than symbols) Getting penetrated.

Just sayin

the_post_of_tom_joad ,

I’m sorry? Did something get mangled in autocorrect or is this weed stronger than i thought?

EDIT: smarty manguy >>>>>>>me

CluelessDude ,

Don’t worry I also took some time to get it. Not getting pegged I mean the >>>>>…

Zehzin ,
@Zehzin@lemmy.world avatar

I dunno I think it depends.

As a poet once wrote on a bathroom stall door I’ve seen: The three greatest pleasures in life are the beginning of a piss, the middle of a nut and the end of a shit.

electrogamerman ,

Now imagine if you combine the middle of a nut and the end of a shit

jol ,

Exactly. This is like asking why drugs feel good. Anal is just hijacking our body senses for unplanned fun purposes.

Honytawk ,

Weren’t we made in his image?

Does this mean god has a scat fetish?

pixeltree ,

Women don’t have a prostate tho and don’t die full of shit [CITATION NEEDED]

clemdemort ,
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They have the skene gland which is basically a prostate. (Yes that’s the G-spot in women)

pixeltree ,

Yes, but does it make them feel good when they poop? Genuine question, I have no clue.

clemdemort ,
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Not really, same way as us prostate owners we don’t really feel it when we poop, pooping just feels nice.

pixeltree ,

Fair. I do feel it on big ones though, but that might just be because I’ve sensitized it

kromem , in "OpenAI Staff Threaten to Quit Unless Board Resigns"

It’s the board for the non-profit which owns and controls the LLC, and none of the board members have equity in the non-profit.

This wasn’t a board of investors/owners like for profit boards.

mp3 ,
@mp3@lemmy.ca avatar

But ultimately this will only strenghten Microsoft’s moat on AI, which is bad for everyone.

TropicalDingdong ,

I mean… what would it even mean to have equity in a non-profit?

Non-profits are organized fundamentally differently than for profit corporations.

If anything they should have had equity in the for-profit side of the company to ensure that their incentives were aligned, if that is even your point.

I think it brings up a very interesting test case for how this particular kind of ownership structure can fail. In another thread, it strikes the difference between authority and power, which I think was very clearly made here.

That all being said, it seems like things have taken a turn for the worse, and if anything, this board has set the mission of a truly open AI world even further back. There seem to be some real Luddites on the board who seem to think they’ll some how be able to cram Pandora back in the box after it has well escaped control. If anything, the should swing the gate wide and at least open source the everything else so as to prevent Microsoft from having a complete monopoly on the future of AI (how things seem to be shaping up).

banneryear1868 ,

The kind of ownership is pretty normal across a wide range of industries, a lot of hospitals in the US operate with a similar structure, NGOs and “foundations,” co-ops, independent regulators, etc. Whatever’s happening in this case is remarkable but probably not because of how the board operates in this role specifically. We have to know why they fired him to know what’s going on but that’s unlikely. It could have been completely mundane but that doesn’t matter now.

TropicalDingdong ,

Yeah that’s what I thought. I’ve formed/ been a part of several non-profits that have looked at developing for-profit components to fund the non-profit mission.

TurtleJoe ,
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The non-profit has a corporate arm. https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/5d516092-8a35-40c4-9626-e20e95a232e4.png take a look at that structure.

TropicalDingdong ,

I mean, that seems like a generally fine structure.

I think they maybe could have figured out a different path that didn’t involve MS. But otherwise, it seems fine.

trolololol ,

I’ll ask ai to explain that diagram

Omega_Haxors ,

As a large language model, I am incapable of explaining anything that would be of use

frezik ,

I’m a shareholder in a non-profit. Specifically, the Green Bay Packers. It basically means having a unique piece of team memorabilia.

fatzgebum , in Guten Tag Everybody

It’s not even easy to understand ich_iel as a native speaker. They use an extreme form of internet slang only understood by a handful of people.

ErKaf ,

Dies ist ein klarer Fall eines Geschicklichkeitsproblems.

vicviper ,
ErKaf ,

Sad that your translator has chosen “problem” instead of “issue”.

PsychedSy ,

Problems is in the word at least. I’m mostly confused by the rest of that word.

meowMix2525 , (edited )

A more direct or literal translation of Geschicklichkeit would probably be something like or skilledness or skillfulness. Other words with the -lichkeit ending that might be more familiar are Freundlichkeit (friendliness) and Brüderlichkeit (brotherliness)

(So there are actually two endings here. -lich is cognate to english -ly, though -ed can also work. -keit is equivalent to english -ness)

The base word, Geschick, translates to ‘skill’ on its own. The difference is that it strictly (edit: apparently not) behaves as a countable noun, as in you can have a number of skills, just as you can have a number of friends, of brothers, etc. It doesn’t work when describing a quality or property someone may possess, so that’s where the suffixes come in.

It’s the difference between “there’s a lot of friend here” and “there’s a lot of friendliness here”

In English, skill is an exception to a rule. It can be used in both ways, without the help of suffixes. German, on the other hand, doesn’t generally make that kind of exception in the interest of maintaining consistency. edit: seems this exception is actually a similarity between English and German, though perhaps German slightly prefers the longer form in cases such as this one.

The Germans are probably going to roast me for this but that’s my understanding from just under 2 years of learning and a brief series of googles.

Karyoplasma , (edited )

countable verb

noun

I’m German and I just use whatever sounds better and “Geschicksproblem” would sound even more like you just had a stroke. Also it’s kinda part of the meme to make words as long as possible because it’s funny.

Geschick and Geschicklichkeit are pretty much synonymous. Maybe Geschicklichkeit suggests a bit more that the natural skill is enhanced by technique and training, but that’s it.

meowMix2525 ,

Welp, I tried. German grammar eludes me again. Thanks for the info though! and for catching that error :)

Klear ,

Translation problem issue.

bort ,

übersetzungsstreitfrage

MonkderZweite ,

Probiers nomol.

ErKaf ,

Do isa machtloss

pleb_maximus ,

Schwätzt Deutsch, kerr!

drislands ,

Is that a feature in Sync?!

WillFord27 ,

That’s sync’s interface, but I don’t see the option in the free version

vicviper ,

Text translation is a capability of Sync Ultra.

xX_fnord_Xx ,

Hey buddy, I can clearly lick my chickens whenever I want.

RobertOwnageJunior ,

Im örtlichen Gebietsnetzwerk wäre es ein Ass gewesen.

blazera , in The second coming is near
@blazera@kbin.social avatar

Wah-llelujah

FlyingSquid , in The second coming is near
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Come on. How could that be a sin?

BambiDiego ,

Because he wasn’t fully erect.

Anything below black diamond hardness is a sin when it comes to Waluigi

ComradeChairmanKGB ,
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Nobody jerks off to waluigi more than Jesus.

Candelestine , in Truly an art form to use properly

tbf, it’s too specialized. They’re heavy so they can hurt through armor, which makes them slow. Terrible weapon vs an unarmored opponent, who can more easily just get out of the way or stay out of your reach.

A spear is at least good everywhere but indoors.

Like, what is the absolute last medieval weapon you would ever want if you were fighting 3 unarmed guys? All fast, all know what they’re doing. I’d say mace is solidly last.

Now, are they all wearing heavy plate armor like knights? Then mace becomes really, really good, it’ll break your bones through that steel, dent the steel inward so it compresses your body and the joints stop working properly, all sorts of shitty things. And you’re too slow to get out of the way.

source: I like maces.

saltesc ,

I’ve always found them the most scary. If someone has mastered one, able to control and time the weight, opening up opportunities for blows, you’re fucked. A light blow with a blade or spear, you’re taking shallow damage and can scamper back. But with a mace? You’re off-balance now or quite stunned and that’s exactly what leads to the skull being crushed in a second later.

So, sure they’re slower and harder to land, but patiently, just one good hit and it’s game very quickly and violently over. Not to mention, the wielder doesn’t have to worry about their weapon being stuck in the dead guy.

AnUnusualRelic ,
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tbf, it’s too specialized. They’re heavy so they can hurt through armor, which makes them slow. Terrible weapon vs an unarmored opponent, who can more easily just get out of the way or stay out of your reach.

There’s just one lesson in mace school: “come at them from behind”.

rockerface ,

Walk softly and carry a big stick

daltotron ,

I think most weapons, including lack of weapons, benefits from surprise attacks from behind.

AngryCommieKender ,

I’d put a pair of Sai behind the mace against the unarmed guys. Those things are useless, unless you know exactly what you’re doing. A mace is just an improvement on a warhammer, so even untrained, I have a pretty good idea of how to use it. A sledgehammer is similar enough.

TheSanSabaSongbird ,

Good plate armor was nowhere near as ungainly as many people imagine. A knight wearing a well-made suit would actually retain a surprising amount of agility and speed. The downside was that they obviously had to be custom made and were so expensive that only the wealthiest nobles could afford them.

Candelestine ,

While true, it doesn’t take much speed reduction to make a mace, or anything else, no longer miss you. Inertia is what it is, and the margins are not always large. The armor can deal with a lucky sword stroke, unless it’s really, really lucky. It can’t deal with a lucky mace stroke, you’re a casualty. Broken arm, leg, skull, something.

Otherwise maces wouldn’t have much of a point, anyway. Tiring to swing, shorter reach, yeah it hurts, but so does a sword if there’s no armor in the way. Takes minimal training, but so does a spear, and spearmen can stand in close order and poke. A maceman can’t do that, you gotta swing that thing. It’s not much of a poker, like say, a roman gladius is.

If there’s no heavy armor on the field, leave your mace at home. If there’s heavy armor, bring the mace. Battering through that shit is what it’s for.

HumbertTetere ,

All true, just want to add to it.

You can bring the mace anyway, just in case, as long as you don’t mind carrying it. One other major benefit is that the things could be dirt cheap because you don’t need good quality metal.

But if you want to hit people, and have a money and time for training, go for an axe. Pretty much all the advantages of a mace, but can cut on top (and usually poke too).

The other part of the equation is not getting killed, and usually the guys in heavy armor are good at killing you. Getting in striking range for a medium range weapon like a mace/axe/sword is damn dangerous, so a slower weapon like a mace or axe that’s additionally bad at defending because of a more distant point of balance means a much increased risk to your life. So if it’s one on one, you should really think twice about trying to getting that lucky strike in.

UrPartnerInCrime ,

So as a mace guy I should just follow around some dude in armor and we just go fuck up everyone who also is wearing armor

deft ,

not sure i agree people tend to wield baseball bats the same just swinging for the fences but a quick jab with the base or top is the most effective way to use them.

i think it’s all technique

Candelestine ,

A baseball bat is a two handed club anyway. Maces are shorter and heavier.

GBU_28 ,

Even if you’re armed with the choice weapon, and skilled, 3 knights on foot looking to fuck you up are gonna do so lol. Those guys were brawlers more than anything else

Candelestine ,

A recurve bow and a horse.

But yea, probably accurate. lol

GrammatonCleric ,
@GrammatonCleric@lemmy.world avatar

What’s your opinion on flails?

Candelestine ,

Hits really hard. Probably kinda hard to use. If I picked up a real one I’d probably end up giving myself a concussion somehow.

I guess I don’t know very much about flails… I thought they were more of a cavalry weapon irl, but I’d have to look that up. Unless it’s the old makeshift farm implement version that some peasants probably picked up at different points.

GoFastBoots , (edited )

The haft with a long chain and ball on the end is fantasy. However, I fought with one for a couple of years as a combat actor/choreographer and ren-faire reenactor and would say that the flail is a duelist’s weapon only. And in a duel its chief function is to remove your opponent’s shield.

A well placed flail strike will go around the guard of your opponent and potentially break fingers, hand, wrist, or arm.

You can also try to use it to disarm their primary weapon but it’s less reliable in this regard as it becomes a tug of war strength contest.

Use your flail to break their hand and make them drop their shield and then drop the flail and draw your side sword or whatever else you happen to have.

Too slow and clumsy of a weapon to fight against a group or near allies.

eupraxia ,
@eupraxia@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Seems to me like a bearded axe does many of the same things while being easier to control and being more effective as a striking weapon, no?

GoFastBoots ,

Yeah pretty much, which is why the axe was actually used and flails as we know them are fantasy weapons. The flail has the intimidation and cool factor but otherwise I’d rather have an axe.

The flail might have more reach, but the longer the chain the slower the weapon and more skill required to land a blow.

Venat0r ,

An even weirder one, a flail with a bike style chain: youtu.be/K5sPDbwr7EI

Pinecone ,

One handed flails were never used in warfare. They were made for decoration. There was a 2 handed flail that couldn’t reach the user but it was still not very effective.

Slotos ,

Maces tended to be lighter and shorter than equivalent swords.

Maces aren’t as good against unarmored opponents, because unarmored opponents bleed and get incapacitated from a few well placed cuts. Swords tend to balance their weight closer to the handle to offer precision to make those cuts.

Maces specialize in delivering nearly the entire energy behind a strike. They were balanced to the tip of the weapon for that reason. Which is great against cut resistant armor due to energy transfer. Note that this places maces utility well before invention of plate armor.

If it’s heavy and slow, it’s not a weapon. Slow weapons kill their weilders. Rare armor rendered the user so slow as to let you swing in a game-like “lumberjack dealing with a stubborn log” fashion. There are plenty demonstrations around that show how fast and deadly an armored swordsman is.

The statement about spears indoors is game logic. The variability in spears and swords designs is such that most swords and spears would be equally dogshit indoors, but those that wouldn’t would all work quite ok. In a narrow, defensibly built passageway, thrusting attacks are nearly the only attacks available to combatants. A short spear then can offer a good deal of utility that sword wouldn’t, and vise versa. Short maces are nowhere near being useless there either.

Candelestine ,

Couple points in there I could argue, but it’s fair enough. Source for maces generally being lighter than equivalent swords? My experience has been very much to the contrary, though I’ve never held an actual historical artifact, only replicas.

Slotos ,

For example, www.clevelandart.org/art/1916.1589

It being from 16th century, it’s likely the heavier variant for cavalrymen (which the description kinda confirms). Even then it weighs only 1.6kg.

Some sword examples:

Note the years and descriptions on the lighter swords. They are more of an everyday tool for civilians at that point. A regular club competed with those, probably very successfully.

Candelestine ,

I rather doubt a regular club competed with a fencing sword successfully, in hands of equal skill. That I’m afraid I will argue. It’s a question of speed and weighting. That heavy weighting towards the top you were describing earlier in a mace, and also present in a typical club or baton, has far more effects than merely focusing force over a smaller surface area. You also have the basic physics of moving a lever through an arc, and overcoming the intertia of the end of it, if you desire to change its direction.

My own training is mostly in actually using weapons, not academic understanding of them, and you’re entering my turf. lol

Slotos ,

By compete I mean to compete in utility and general use, not in a duel. Fencing sword is of no use when you get whacked at the back of your head. It’s also relatively useless on a battlefield, from which I presume it occupied mostly the same space the clubs did - streets and roads.

I won’t argue on weight distribution influence. Sharp object balanced near the handle doesn’t need much of a swing to render my arms unusable. A mace simply cannot do that, its utility lies elsewhere.

PS: I would love to see a skilled fight using a thrusting sword and a mace. Thrusting swords don’t have a cutting edge, which makes it possible to grab and grapple them aside. I imagine the moment your opponent grabs your sword and swings their club presents quite a pickle.

Candelestine ,

I feel like it would be fairly easy to leap backwards so long as your back isn’t to a wall. The force of the leap alongside you yanking your sword backward should free it from most grips, I’d think. I’m just spitballing though, I’ve never actually tried to seriously grab any kind of thin blade, much less a fencing sword of some sort. I guess you could torque it in your grip to improve your control, I don’t know how much of an effect this could have. I doubt it’d go much like the (fantastic) finale scenes of Rob Roy though, just because your asking your forearm muscles to combat a pretty hefty amount of momentum via mostly friction, which just isn’t very likely to work imo.

Unless you had an equivalent amount of forward momentum yourself, coming in with a massive lunge to maintain distance against the retreating opponent. That’s pretty all-or-nothing though. If instead of leaping backwards he moves into you, you have no cover (both of your hands are in use at this moment) against a potential fist or elbow to your face from his free arm, with the extra momentum of the two of you approaching each other.

By the way, I never thanked you for the corrections to my understanding, so thank you. This is admittedly not the first time I’ve had to take my spankings from an educated academic, I am a bit of a poster child for replica weapons being frequently inaccurate and thus teaching mistaken impressions. I do try to remember this, but it isn’t always easy. I do have a strong appreciation for accurate understanding of history though, so thank you for taking the time to write up corrections and provide sources.

Slotos ,

Oh, I’m not an academic, just an ADHD poster child. Historic weapons keep appearing on my radar for the past few years and I repeatedly find myself spending time on researching what I’ll never practice.

I try to find and share sources for that reason - they allow others to skip incorrect assumptions I made along the way.

Candelestine ,

Still an educated academic, simply self-taught. If you do your due diligence appropriately, which your fluency with source material seems to demonstrate is so, that’s good enough for me.

I’m reminded of Drachinifel on youtube, originally an engineer by trade, but now a well-regarded expert on naval historiography, specifically from the age of sail to the pre-modern era, with a particular focus on Spanish ships.

Dude just reads a lot, and has research skills, a good memory and a knack for history communication.

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killeronthecorner ,
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The app: Last updated January 2023

Event_Horizon ,

App permissions required:

  • name
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Holyhandgrenade ,
@Holyhandgrenade@lemmy.world avatar

…Is the app trying to fuck me?

archchan ,

It’s probably trying to get you to fuck yourself

ChaoticNeutralCzech ,

I regularly use apps that haven’t been updated for longer, and 20-year-old PC programs. The worse thing is if old versions are purposefully deprecated too early, I don’t have Play Store.

killeronthecorner ,
@killeronthecorner@lemmy.world avatar

This is fine for apps that don’t use remote APIs and aren’t actively having breaking changes made to them on a regular basis, but that doesn’t apply to most of these nagging “use our app!” companies.

jubilationtcornpone ,

Side rant: I refuse to download the McDonald’s app. That’s the first question they ask (and increasingly, any fast food joint asks) when you roll through the drive through. “Are you using the app today?”

No I’m not fucking using the app today. I just want an ice cream cone. Ok!? I don’t need or want to download another goddamned app and manage another set of credentials when it takes me less time to say, “Can I please have an ice cream cone?” And for you to respond with, “I’m sorry but our ice cream machine is broken.” than it does for me to order a fucking ice cream cone on the stupid app.

I mean hells bells I’m a software engineer. I make my living designing [often unnecessary] software [which provides little tangible benefit]. But I’ll be damned if I’m going to have an app to go through a fast food drive through or use household appliances. I will die on this hill. Ok, maybe not die, but I will be severely wounded on this hill.

AeroLemming ,

I’m GenZ and seeing this shit makes me feel like the boomiest of Boomers. I don’t want your goddamn motherfucking app, you can shove it where the sun don’t shine and take my order the old-fashioned way or not at all.

That is, unless I’m at home ordering delivery and using a centralized app. Having the same interface for every restaurant is so much fucking nicer than trying to figure out the weird quirks of every website or having to call them.

DragonAce ,

My view as a sys admin is I’m not going to risk the security of my mobile device just so they can scour my personal information and collect marketing data on me and send it god knows where and claim its to “make ordering easier”. I just want to order my fucking food, not have my fucking identity stolen because I wanted a cheeseburger.

littlecolt ,

Ironically, I find McDonald’s has one of the better reward systems in their app. I also enjoy being able to punch in my order on a screen with any modifications I want such as extra pickle, no lettuce, etc… instead of relying on the shitty speaker to pick it up only to hear a guy be like “Did you say cherry coke?” “No, diet coke” ugh

Also free fries on Friday.

Hello_there , in May as well buy burgers in the US, since you already paid for most of it through taxes!

Reminder that farmers can spend something like a dollar per cow per year to allow their cattle to roam through public lands to cause erosion, shit in streams, spread giardia, and give farmers reasons to kill coyotes and wolves.

The_v ,

This is mostly done in the western U.S. It also takes around 40 acres of land/cow. In drier areas it takes 200 acres per cow.

In an irrigated field, with annual crops, and rotational grazing, we can feed 2-4 cows/acre depending on the location.

We do not need to use 95% of the land we use for pasture.

Jelly_mcPB ,

These numbers are highly inflated

The_v ,

A 1,200 lb lactating beef animal needs around 3% of it’s body mass every day. So around 35lbs of dry matter forage per day. Works out to around 6.4 tons DM/year.

Under irrigation, In areas without freezing temps, 25tons DM/acre is possible (not easy) or 4 cows. In areas with freezing temps 12-15 tons DM/acre can be accomplished or 2 cows (1 cow if the growing season is short)

10-15" rainfall zone produces around 600lbs DM/acre of which around 50% is available (timing issue) this is around 0.15 tons DM/acre. 6.4 tons DM for one cow is around 43 acres.

In a 5-10" rainfall zone it reduces to under 200lbs DM/acre total. Or 0.05 tons DM/acre or around 128 acres per cow. With that much walking their energy needs increase by as much as 50%. Or around 200 acres/cow.

Guess who grew up on a ranch with BLM grazing ground :-) My grandfather decided going bankrupt was a better than listening to a younger more hotheaded me.

Jelly_mcPB ,

Cool cool cool, guess who grew up in Texas around 100 ranches? You aren’t accounting for how many times / much hay can be harvested from an acre of land, especially when you are talking about bahaia. While it may cost you a little more, to transport it to northern states its not 100 acres per cow. If your grandfather was a rancher, he definitely isn’t taking his cues from one granddaughter, especially if that’s how he raised your parent. We are a omnivores. We can get everything we need from both plant and animals, but as far as full chain amino acids- proteins, it is far more efficient from animals. The sad thing is we import a lot of meat, oddly enough from countries that don’t have near the land mass, and more people per acre than we have here and less regulation on how said how the meat was raised, so tell me if it take 100 acres of land to raise 1 head of cattle is possible?

The_v ,

Well that settles it. You too ignorant on the subject to make a coherent reply.

Jelly_mcPB ,

Hey mathematician, there are nearly 40 million cows in the US between beef and dairy, times that by 100 hundred, and that means we would need 4 billion acres to sustain them. There is only 2.4 in all of America. You dolt.

The_v ,

Lol. A swing and a miss. Not even close to what I said. Try again. Since your from, Texas perhaps your should see a Dr about concussive brain trauma.

Here’s a hint. Divide 40million by 2 cows per acre and you get 20 million. That’s about how many acres we need to use to feed every cow in the U.S under irrigated annual crops production. Instead we use around 800 million acres (grassland plus forest).

So 97.5% of the land are we are using to graze cows, we don’t need to use. We do it because the government subsidizes archaic agricultural practices and makes it affordable.

Jelly_mcPB ,

Read your first comment goober. You said it takes 40 to 200 acres per cow depending on the climate. SMH.

Potatos_are_not_friends ,

Also a shame that cow farts emit a lot of methane.

Miqo ,

They surpsingly release most methane through burping, not farting. Even more surprising is that they burp so much methane that it is measurable from space

Edit: boost isn’t displaying links with custom titles. Here it is: www.cnn.com/2022/04/30/us/…/index.html

Potatos_are_not_friends ,

Thats crazy. We need cow filters on all the holes.

Freylint ,

The solution to bovine methane emissions is to install a cowalitic converter inside their mufflers. Just like we do with quad udder milk exhaust collectors.

KingOfNexus ,

On a serious note i read a while back that they are looking into a type of gut bacteria to give to cows which will significantly reduce the methane produced by the cows digestive system.

1847953620 ,

Send it.

Smoogs ,

And how much more water goes into growing meat

scottywh ,

While this is true, BLM land doesn’t exist everywhere and as such it isn’t true of all cattle farmers.

TxTechnician ,

Large heards grazing is necessary for grasslands to thrive.

They till the ground, knock down tall dead plants, graze (but not “browse” the grass), fertilize, and water the grass.

Deer and other fauna do not knock down the grass the way bovine do. We used to have millions of Buffalo. Now we use cattle as a substitute.

If we don’t do that, we have to burn the grassland. Or it dies.

That’s what we used to do in Kansas. It was quite fun. And the government paid us to do it.

Anyways. Here’s some evidence to back up what I’m saying: TED TALK

Hello_there ,

In some places, sure. But not everywhere they are. And you could/should reintroduce bison where they can go instead of using cattle. And the government should get more than the pittance they get per head.

fruitleatherpostcard , in it basically is already but you know, downgrades people!

I’ve never understood the arrogance of Reddit when 100% of its content comes from other creatives via submitting users.

OberonSwanson ,
@OberonSwanson@sh.itjust.works avatar

When you think about it, it makes sense if you imagine spez was dropped on his head a lot as a child.

Cabrio ,

It’s because Spez has his head so far up Elon’s arse he’s wearing the same face.

EherVielleicht OP ,
fruitleatherpostcard ,

I’ve never been on Twitter and never will be.

getynge ,

It’s a gamble on the idea that people rely so much on the existing content and connections on social networks, in conjunction with the addictive nature of social media, that any attempts to move to a different platform would fail because anything new will always fail expectations of what’s considered normal content-wise these days. People leaving sites like twitter complain about the lower quality and advertisers get scared off, but all the owners of these sites pay attention to is the people that come crawling back because nothing else is capable of meeting their expectations right this instant.

OpenStars ,
@OpenStars@kbin.social avatar

It works in the short term, and that is all that matters. He geared up for an IPO, and the calculations end at that point, everything else is someone else's problem.

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Track_Shovel OP ,

I’m here to shitpost, not to post facts, my b’y

unreachable ,
@unreachable@lemmy.world avatar

your intent apparently warranted

SternburgExport ,

Sure sounds like it. What kinda microwave fits in another microwave? Why would it explode? Snd the picture doesn’t fit.

snowraven ,

Someone above mentioned that magnetron bombarded by another magnetron can cause a feedback loop thus causing the explosion. I am not exactly sure if that is scientifically correct but that could be one explanation for the explosion.

But yeah the rest of the story is probably just a meme story.

jettrscga ,

They also mentioned 1998 and Hell In A Cell. I’m thinking they were full of shit.

camelbeard ,

It’s all BS and I tried to Google that shit

Obi ,
@Obi@sopuli.xyz avatar

Can’t believe this shit still works in 2023.

snowraven ,

Nice, It’s hard to seperate science from meme these days you know. Back in my day, people wouldn’t make such jokes but oh Wait I am still 23. Good times.

Oha ,

I love spreading Misinformation online

WashedOver ,
@WashedOver@lemmy.ca avatar

Well there is no other kind right?

RickyRigatoni ,
@RickyRigatoni@lemmy.ml avatar
TheRealKuni , in Album does a little tom-foolery

RIP Sir Michael Gambon.

Also, I laughed at this but I have to be pedantic. Harry would totally know what CDs are, he was raised by muggles and this scene takes place in 1998.

FARTYSHARTBLAST ,
@FARTYSHARTBLAST@kbin.social avatar

This would work better if he just asked, "What CDs?"

pingveno ,

Certificate of Deposit, clearly.

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