This is very occasionally popping up in restaurants in Australia. Whether you live here or travelling. Do not tip unless they did something incredible. I’m talking the fish brought your grandma back to life and the chef reconnected you with your long lost father. We don’t want to encourage tipping culture. We want to increase minimum wage. It’s like $23 now and we need that to keep growing with the economy.
I mean, that’s on you for agreeing to pay $30 for an avocado on toast.
I’m against (forced) tipping culture but the waiter is not at fault for the prices a restaurant sets up. If I saw the price and still decided to order it, I will definitely not fault the waiter for it.
Waiters that give great services gets tipped because I want to encourage waiters to give great service.
$29 minimum!? ($18.40 in USD). In my state it’s $7.50 (USD), and most fast food workers like me get $11 after tips…
Edit: For my line of work and hours it’s $11 and $12.70 on weekends in Australia (converted to USD)… Still a bit more than most fast food workers get in the U.S…
Do as soon as you can if you want to - coming back is often an option. It’s a lot more difficult to courage up to later on life, when you tend to have much more connections and emotions to whatever you’re about to leave.
It’s not always a bad thing to stay, of course, people have their reasons to both proceed with emigration and shaking it off, but it’s much easier the sooner you go with it.
In America you can break your back at a fancy restaurant and they’re legally allowed to pay you like less than $5 because of tipping culture, or you can work fast food and they’re legally allowed to pay you $7.25 and you will never get tips. I’m amazed every day I wake up that we haven’t begun another revolution.
I’m starting to worry that I look like Steve Martin in this picture but in my mind I look younger. I shall stay away from mirrors to ensure the illusion.
Sometimes it just comes down to preference. I like Linux a lot for systems where I need the low overhead. But on my gaming PC, where I don’t have to worry as much about overhead, I prefer the convenience of not having to learn SSH commands or open source workarounds.
Microsoft is like the rich guy with the nice pool. Its looks nice. But then you learn they got rich by cutting corners and screwing over your friends. And are actively investing in making the public pool shit so they can grandstand their pool.
Noone is blaming you for going up to the rich guys pool to have a nice easy time. Or at least, I’m not defending the kind of linux zealots who might blame you for choosing that
But I equally believe it is right and fair for us to have the freedom to state the very valid reasons why we are choosing not to go up there.
Still though, this is conflating Windows and Microsoft. This conversation started about Linux users shitting on Windows, not Microsoft. I think Windows is decent at providing a relatively low effort experience while I also agree that Microsoft is guilty of all the typical practices of corporate greed.
I don’t buy Microsoft products anymore for that reason, but I still use them (if you catch my drift).
it’s hardly a conflation, this hostile modus operandi is baked into the windows product itself with malicious and intrusive features. i’m not sure if this is news to anyone, but those user-hostile features were added to windows by microsoft. and the best defense offered thus far for that is basically “most or all tech giants do it too” - yes, thankyou that’s exactly our point. the fact that shipping this kind of abusive software has been normalised is part of the problem too.
i agree in as much as not everything about windows is bad. and it can be useful sometimes out of necessity. though its worth remembering that necessity may often be the result of hostility on microsoft’s part, either past or present. so it’s not really possible to have an honest conversation about what windows is, without an awareness of how microsoft has maliciously managed our perception of desktop operating systems in general. happy to explain what i mean by this in more detail if anyone’s interested.
The logic just doesn’t follow. If we can’t distinguish between the evil of a corporation and the use of its products/services then everyone here is going to burn for using electronics made by children in another country.
“most or all tech giants do it too”
This wasn’t my point at all. I’m simply stating that not everyone has the time and/or patience for Linux. I’m not a programmer. Most of the time that I do use Linux, it’s a struggle with a worthwhile outcome.
Damn, it’s almost like you either have to find a morally unassailable position or accept that there is no ethical consumption under capitalism and all that sentiment carries with it.
Be ye here warned: break that sucker out on libs and they recoil like demons from a cross, but it’s not a fetish in that regard and eventually you’ll find one who needs more exorcism than that meager phrase can provide.
As I mentioned, I’m not here to criticise you for making the choice you have, or defend those who do criticise you for it.
What I am here to defend is our freedom to state the very valid reasons why we are choosing to avoid it as much as possible.
Therefore, it’s unclear to me exactly which stance you are taking in reference to what i said.
Our position is there are at least two core topics for why we choose not go there. They are 1. issues with the product and 2. issues with the company.
With the pool analogy the corner cutting and then further elucidation regarding the escalation of user-hostile features, are both specific criticisms with the windows software itself. Not the company.
Regarding issues with the company, as stated we are not listing reasons for condemning you for your choice but rather listing the reasons why we make our choice as we do.
Therefore, it is unclear exactly which position you are taking which is contrary to this? Everyone will have a different moral line for the myriad of issues when dealing with evil companies and their products/services. Do you wish to tell others where they choose to draw their own lines for their own lives are incorrect? I doubt that’s really the stance you intended to make, so what do you mean, then?
Finally, I’m not sure how much of the history you’re aware of, but microsoft’s open hostility to linux devs & users is extensive and bitter. We have the case of a billion dollar company, actively trying to spoil & ruin the harmless pleasure many people take in a wonderful piece of technology.
This is almost entirely unlike any other “us vs them” technology debate. In nearly every other case, its wealthy corporation vs wealthy corporation with the users caught in the middle. In this case it is literally freedom of the people vs corporate profits. That freedom being actually incredibly important: its not only about the harmless enjoyment of the community. But also, considering the tech trajectory our society is on, very likely serving a critical role for actual human rights today and tomorrow.
As stated many times, you are welcome to your choice, and your choice is understandable. But it would really be alot healthier if people take the time to appreciate the breadth of the problem, and perhaps better appreciate why we make our choices the way we do.
OR considering that may involve more effort than you have time for - fair enough - at least appreciate this is a topic some of the people who clearly have looked into it, might know some things about it you haven’t had time to learn yet.
Do you wish to tell others where they choose to draw their own lines for their own lives are incorrect?
No, and in fact it’s the other way around. This is exactly the underlying position used to attack Windows users. I don’t know how you can be so involved on the subject and not understand this.
It doesn’t matter if you’re personally guilty of this or not. Just look at the downvotes and verbal attack I received simply for stating that both operating systems have merit. This is the result of conflating Microsoft with Windows, that there’s an innate feeling of moral superiority in the denouncement of Windows users because of the harm done by its creator.
My point is that these two things are distinct and need to be distinguished. Criticize Windows all you want. Criticize Microsoft all you want. But if you start to criticize Windows for its association with Microsoft, then communication starts to break down and people start getting blamed for something they don’t even personally support because of a perceived moral high ground.
There is no moral high ground to be had over your every day user, because at the end of the day we’re all participants of capitalistic evil no matter where we choose to draw our personal lines. That’s what I meant.
But you’re still grouping two distinct things together and feeding this monster that is ‘guilty by association’. At this point you’re either willfully ignoring my part about conflation or arguing just to argue. 🤷
invalidates all subsequent discernment of shades of evil
no moral high ground
Do you see how these statements are different? Because let me remind you:
Do you wish to tell others where they choose to draw their own lines for their own lives are incorrect?
You’re dangerously close to implying that where others choose to draw their own lines is incorrect.
For another example, your claim of conflation very much appears to be centred around your misunderstanding of the facts
Not even close. This is plain to see, as nowhere in this entire essay, nor in any of your other comments for that matter, do you even address my point that lumping in Windows users with the immoral actions of a company results in a harmful dissonance that breeds hostility towards people that realistically don’t have another choice. Time and time again you’ve just ignored this and spouted some platitudes about how Microsoft being bad and Windows being their product somehow means that there’s no need to delineate the two because of their relationship. You can support one without supporting the other. There’s no need to tap dance around it.
At least you’ve confirmed my suspicions that you hold these beliefs because of some misguided sense of superiority. I.E. I’m wrong because I can’t comprehend the problem. This is our miscommunication.
or you’re actually engaging in bad faith discussion
How can you even begin to think this when I’ve done nothing but advocate for both operating systems and attempted to elucidate the root of hostilities? How is my goal here not completely obvious?
all linux users are smug arseholes because once upon a time some of them hurt my feelings. and even though another linux user repeatedly denounced that and said its unfortunate, i pretended they didn’t because they wouldn’t endlessly cry with me about my hurt feelings and instead talked about actual real world facts, what a horrible group of people
I’m a Linux user. Duh-doy. My very first comment said as much. I self-host a media server on a Debian distro. That’s one of the funniest parts of all this, people keep assuming that because it’s a struggle for me that I was never successful at it or that I’m ignorant on the subject. I succeeded despite my inadequacies, thank you very much.
Also yes, that’s how it’s gonna be if you’re just going to continue perpetuating some of the collateral damage and call my attempt to change that …how did you put it? Oh right
nowhere in this entire essay, nor in any of your other comments for that matter, do you even address my point that lumping in Windows users with the immoral actions of a company results in a harmful dissonance
anyone can see the scrollback for themselves, it’s plainly visible i denounced it multiple times. the evidence is right here for anyone to see:
But then you learn they got rich by cutting corners and screwing over your friends. And are actively investing in making the public pool shit so they can grandstand their pool. Noone is blaming you for going up to the rich guys pool to have a nice easy time. Or at least, I’m not defending the kind of linux zealots who might blame you for choosing that
dude its just sad at this point. why are you bothering to pretend its not addressed when its addressed repeatedly and was even requoted like 2 posts before you made your ridiculous, verifiably false statement.
what is the purpose of this game? who do you think you’re kidding? anyone can see you’re being dishonest. and don’t even have the grace to admit it, you’re wrong. completely wasting an opportunity for us both to learn and for us to be friends even.
whats even stranger is the original discussion was about linux community shitting on windows NOT windows users:
you’ve fixated on this windows user issue when, as quoted, it was never even about that, was already denounced by me immediately as quoted & sourced repeatedly above.
i can see why you think linux users are smug arseholes, you pull this shit and cry when you don’t get away with it. its just sad dude. noone at microsoft is paying for your time to get invested like this. you think you give a fuck about you???
but you know who might actually give a fuck about you? us, here, in this community. but you need to start by being honest with yourself about this, otherwise you are the one making it a waste of time.
it’s hardly a conflation, this hostile modus operandi is baked into the windows product itself with malicious and intrusive features. i’m not sure if this is news to anyone, but those user-hostile features were added to windows by microsoft. and the best defense offered thus far for that is basically “most or all tech giants do it too” - yes, thankyou that’s exactly our point. the fact that shipping this kind of abusive software has been normalised is part of the problem too.
For another example, your claim of conflation very much appears to be centred around your misunderstanding of the facts
I’m entirely unconvinced by your claim that any participation in “capitalistic evil” immediately invalidates all subsequent discernment of shades of evil or the complex interactions thereof.
even when discussing a topic you openly admit you know little to nothing about.
All because your ego got a little bruised
Funny, for somebody that claims to not conflate Windows with Microsoft you seem to spend a lot of time telling Windows users that they’re ignorant or wrong for association with Microsoft. Not to mention you edited out most of the times you lumped them together.
if you wanna continue to embarrass yourself go ahead. i won’t be entertaining this sad display any longer.
anyone is free to search the thread and read what i wrote in the full context it was stated.
and to see your blatant dishonesty.
good luck mate, i hope you find some kind of peace to whatever is keeping you so fixated about windows users that you need to fabricate an enemy in me over that aspect, despite me clearly and repeatedly denouncing it from day 1 of this discussion. all the best.
if you wanna continue to embarrass yourself go ahead. i won’t be entertaining this sad display any longer.
Oh right, I forgot that you’re superior and that therefore I’m incorrect by default. My bad.
despite me clearly and repeatedly denouncing it from day 1 of this discussion. all the best
Even though you still maintain that Microsoft and Windows are one and the same and have not addressed that you can use one without being in support of the other. Riiiiiiiiight.
and for the record i don’t think its about ‘inadequacies’. its not a magic skill or secret knowledge. its just about investing the time to learn. put the time in and it will come, as you’ve already seen with your server.
Not one hour ago you were assuming I was some idiot that can’t get linux to work because I advocate for preference. Get your two-faced shit out of here. Your noninclusive group of iconoclasts has done way more to push me away than any Windows community ever could.
You freely admit you can’t get linux to work properly, yet suppose to lecture everyone what they are and are not free to discuss about this very same topic you admit you can’t get a handle on.
linux zealots who might blame you for choosing that
I’ll defend them. Like pushing for vegan diets, solar energy, and the end of single use plastics. It’s annoying, it’s not fun but in the long run it’s to make the world better for average people.
The ship has sailed there. Microsoft aren’t going anywhere soon and in the long run they will continue to win.
There are plenty of good causes which I hypocritically agree with and don’t put into practise, eating meat is bad for me and the planet but I’ll still enjoy a steak without feeling like a villain believe it or not.
Blaming someone for choosing Microsoft is a dick move, Linux doesn’t work for everyone (I.e. non tech people) so what should they (myself included) be doing instead in your opinion?
The whole system needs to fail before a company like Microsoft loses, if that happens great. But until then me want play new games, me not know Linux tech, me use bad guy company to enjoy me time. Most importantly, me don’t feel bad for doing it.
Seriously though, I pick my battles and try to not be evil while doing so. Microsoft selling an extra copy of windows once every 10 or 15 years won’t turn them into our all powerful overlords and it’s the easiest way for me to enjoy my free time, and on balance I’m fine with that.
Im mixed because on one hand, you dont want a “crazy lady in the attic”. (we feed her and don’t talk about her) to fix that you must be intolerant to the intolerant. (in this case, you want to be against intolerance for people who are running windows) Its uncomfortable because it feels like your attacking yourself.
What an unsurprising outcome, it’s almost like this is exactly the kind of unwarranted hostility the original comment alluded to. The most ironic part is I use Linux too.
I have just as much right to be here and to say my piece as you do.
You know that on Windows you then don’t have ssh in the first place? Its like deinstalling ssh on Linux… It would be the same. It don’t understand your point with ssh.
My lack of understanding of your sentence is exactly why I’ll never bother with Linux. It may be amazing and triple my PCs speed but I simply don’t have time (or motivation) to learn the vocabulary, let alone how things actually work.
Windows may be worse than Linux, but I can install it and be playing any game I want within a few hours with no research. I just cba with anything that I have to think about for more than 2seconds when I want to use my PC, it exists for me to kill time (and occasionally various admin tasks) and I don’t have any need to complicate life further by using Linux and having to keep up with the latest ssh or whatever you’re talking about.
honestly, do what makes you happy. I may eat and breath Linux but its my choice. yours is valid too. I disassociate from anyone who attack people and not their OS’s issues. there are people who just want to make hardware and software better, (FSF is hard to advocate for but I generally do), the losers who verbally harass people for not using Linux are culturally destructive (especially to Linux).
Agree with everything you’ve written. Linux users are frequently the worst thing about it, I’m sure lots are reasonable but seeing (the vocal part of) the community really puts me off becoming a part of it.
Nice to see that my experience isn’t reflective of all users though, thanks mate :)
I dare to bet that through this single line of comments, you have converted more people to Linux than any of those Linux zealots have done in their lifetime.
Actually… I know you have no knowledge. But to explain to you how nonsese it is.
On Linux you have a greater experience of plug and play. You just open the store app and install any application you want. Done. Not sure why you need to learn any vocabulary and not sure why you think you need that after I said that you don’t need it. Its all GUI. Games just install and work. You only need to have Steam or Lutris. Faster to install Games than on Windows tbh.
On Windows you need to search the whole web through fake ads and non official fake apps to get what you want. At worse, malware is installed within seconds.
Windows has a built-in SSH client that you can use in Windows Terminal.
You may need to enable it before using it, depending on the version you originally installed. They’ve even had a built-in SSH server since W10 build 1809.
Tbh I’m a bit disappointed, the influx of new users is great. It’s great people are leaving closedsource places and enjoying free and opensource places like lemmy.
Its good seeing new faces and making new friends.
And I get they’ll inevitably bring some of that default “closed is better than open” mindset with them.
Its just disappointing when given the opportunity to learn a bit more about the world of open freedom, instead of considering maybe there might be something new they could learn and potentially enjoy.
Instead they try to drown us out with mindless and (mostly) unsubstantiated downvotes.
And it often turns out to be people who inevitably declare they don’t know how to use linux or couldn’t get it working properly.
So WHY is it when someone admits they don’t really understand the topic, do they think they’re the right person to vote on the legitimacy of the claims being made???
I’ll bite, I down voted you because I think you’re missing the point of what the above commenters are talking about. It’s not about whether it’s punching down/up to criticize Microsoft.
why is that? it’s not punching down when its a billion dollar company
I’ll bite, I down voted you because I think you’re missing the point of what the above commenters are talking about. It’s not about whether it’s punching down/up to criticize Microsoft.
It literally started with a question.
why is that?
As yet noone has even answered that question.
Why is it worse? You’ve gone to the trouble to downvote, and reply, yet still haven’t answered the question.
Tbh most partisan camp debates in technology are pretty tiresome: ios vs android, playstation vs xbox. They all have pros and cons.
(Even linux and windows both have their pros and cons.)
That said, there’s a huge difference between comparing two commercial products both from competing companies vs a powerful open source tool, with almost limitless potential. Virtually ANY complaint you have about linux CAN be fixed by the public, even YOU if you put in the appropriate effort/resources.
The fact that you can freely boot into modern hardware with something offering that kind of power & freedom openly to the public is frankly incredible.
So tbh it’s pretty difficult to see why it is worse.
You’ve answered the question yourself. It’s just tiresome. It’s so exhausting to see time and time again. It’s not like it makes it not tiresome just because it’s punching up to criticize Microsoft. It’s a subjective thing, clearly some people don’t think it is tiresome so they continue to gripe about it.
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I don’t think this conversation has ever been about it being unreasonable for people to talk about, but no, I don’t find it unreasonable. Like I said, I just find the framing of it being about a power differential to be irrelevant for folks finding the topic to be annoying to read about.
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I was and am explaining to you why I down voted your comment. You asked someone who made a very subjective claim about their personal taste to justify their decision and part of your reasoning that they shouldn’t have that subjective opinion was that there’s a power differential between Linux and Microsoft. Just because that is true doesn’t invalidate their opinion about what is annoying to them. It’s like saying “how can you think red is the best color when it’s the color of blood?” It doesn’t matter.
The whole green vs blue bubble thing has to be the most idiotic debate I’ve ever seen in my life. At least here people seem to be comparing real features, but still just buy whatever has what you want. Especially when iPhone 15 comes out with USB-C charging.
but I’ll bring up one that’s a step further, startropics on NES: dip a manual page in water to reveal the code, or you don’t get to progress, mid-way through the game
Roaches can cause respiratory problems, but I'd take that over potential murder and rape.
Also, I would be very disappointed in my dogs if they didn't notice a person living in the attic. You can find a ball by scent--you'd better notice a person creeping around!
A person creeping around? That’s just Paul, mate. You know Paul, he’s been living in the attic for years. Stupid human, doesn’t even recognize it’s own flatmates.
I don’t want random dildos hanging out in my house without my knowledge, friendly or not. At least with the roaches, I don’t have to have a conversation.
I take your point, but the reasoning “this person has already demonstrated themselves willing, able, and motivated to breach a major social contract related to your safety; therefore I fear that they may try to breach more” is not unreasonable. The proportion of “home invaders who are also (willing to be) murderers” is gonna be way larger than the proportion of willing murderers among the general population.
I’m worried one day they will re-encode videos with advertisements themselves, or something similar to that. Although I guess SponsorBlock takes care of that, until they straight up just break/remove extensions with their crazy “Web Environment Integrity” proposal.
Yep that should usually be the first thing that opens.
I have never had any issues with youtube ads since the changes with this. They will probably adapt to it eventually but so far no problems, european region though so who knows if they have different approaches to different regions. Judging by your instance choice I assume you’re in the UK like myself though.
There’s loads of things they can do but ultimately it’ll just provoke a new method of countering it. This is why they want to push software level changes to browsers that would allow them to prevent adblocking entirely.
It is sad, but through the events of the last few years (Reddit, Twitter, politics) companies have realized they can do whatever they want. While they will lose a significant portion of users, the mass majority will stay. The ones that leave are the ones they can’t abuse and they don’t want them anyway. Profit is better taking advantage of the complacent and losing the activists than the other way around.
Anywho, I will move to Firefox just like I moved to lemmy. Although I’m not sure moving to Firefox actually fixes anything other than giving Google less money. Now I just need to figure out how to have a phone without apple or Google getting a peice.
google pixel 5 bought used, unlock the bootloader and flash it with grapheneOS. download Firefox with AdBlock and use fdroid and aurora store (found on fdroid) for apps.
To be fair, the only reason I can see for having a smart fridge is , if you’re at the shops or at work, and you need to check if you need anything, you can just use that.
But, like, I can’t see any other purpose. And even that one is instantly voided by using that magical little thing, and making yourself a list.
I was just using it as an example because I just figured it out on my fridge (it’s useless). I was just trying to figure out if I would be going backwards 10 years if I switched, that was just the first thing that came to mind as an example.
No, you do you. I just don’t understand the engineers’ motivation for creating an IoT fridge.
From the creators of the IoT fridge comes the first IoT toilet, complete with a bowl camera and mic that stares up your ass and notifies your family when the bathroom is in use and whose taking a crap. You can even review your past shits in 4k! 😛
I could maybe see some uses for a fridge on wifi. The only useful things it does is notify me if the temp rises beyond a point or if the door is left open for a really long time. As far as the temp rising without the door open the only cause is either the fridge failed ( It better fucking not) or the power went out. If the power goes out, so does my router so…
That is actually somewhat useful. I don’t know if that use-case is worth it to me, personally, to have a potentially insecure device on my home network, but I suppose you could give it its own network and write decent firewall rules to protect your other gear.
Never really thought about that. Hmm. I mean, it’s GE, a somewhat reputable company, but apparently they were just bought out by a company in China. But it goes through my network, communicates with a cloud service, who communicates with the app on my phone. It would seem possible that whoever runs that cloud service has the ability to do whatever they want in my network through my fridge.
I run a raspberry pi for some automation in my house and use tailscale as a VPN so I can access it as a server when I’m not home. As long as I can trust tailscale, it is encrypted straight from the raspberry pi to my phone. There is no middle man. But having that cloud service for the fridge app is something I need to research.
i mean, they will run. the question is if the app developers hate you.
and since for the most part app developers care about having you as a user so they can sell your personality to advertisers, what i actually mean by “if the app developers hate you” is “if the app is a bank”.
Many banking apps will work on secure roms like calyx/graphene. Techlore set up a submittal system here you can check: plexus.techlore.tech
As a concrete example, it indicates if the app works without google spyware at all vs if it works with the microg spyware simulation service, and indicates my former bank chase has support for migrog but not totally-google-free operation.
However, sadly (and I assume because the head dev of graphene has clear mental disorders and took a massive dump all over techlore for months at a time a couple summers back), somehow the play services question doesnt get answered on the techlore site. For that, you have to go to a different site: privsec.dev/…/banking-applications-compatibility-…
sorry ik it’s months later. yes, things work for the most part. anything that doesn’t I just enable exploit protection compatibility mode for and it works no problem then. you can even just straight up install Google play as a normal app without admin privileges.
What really has me paranoid is all the ones suddenly deciding to power trip and give out bans over nothing. We need to create a safe place on the web where the corporations can’t get to us.
They remove any videos that being critical towards TikTok. Especially, they’re trying to flood Indonesian market with cheap Chinese goods via TikTok Shop.
Fairphone 4 from certain vendors comes preloaded with e/OS which is like a deGoogled Android. Might work for people looking to move away from Google. I’m considering it myself for my next phone.
I mean isn’t that true for literally every user that doesn’t pay? I’m not sure why we are mad at Sync users when we don’t even have a strong call to action to donate to instances.
Reddit wasn’t wrong about that fact. One of their biggest problems was the official app had not been able to do most of the things the third party apps could do.
But it’s fine if I cost an app dev their time and instances money and give nothing to no one? Genuine question because I don’t understand all the sync hate.
I just said we pay. You seem to think I’m talking about Sync.
I’m not. Technically, I guess I could be talking about both server and sync.
What I’ve seen on Lemmy is I can say I paid for Sync and donate to the server and someone will need to come along to tell me all of that money should go to Lemmy.
That’s too either/or. And it’s making Lemmy look… incapable of nuanced thought. Or entitled.
It’s not everyone, but it’s common enough it looks really odd.
Hyper-detailed foreground with a blurry background and a subject matter that falls into the uncanny valley? Yeah, that all checks out.
E2A: Zoom in on smaller sections and it becomes more obvious. Objects that should be in the same depth of field have different levels of blur, patterns don’t follow rules, it looks like the jacket has buttons, but half of a zipper on one side? There’s a lot of little things.
You are good at pointing out what feels wrong in the image. It could be a case of very heavy editing or AI-powered filters without necessarily being completely ai generated but I still stand by my initial impression that it gives and AI vibe and you are right about why
Yup, that seam/twist there on the foreground is almost a definitive giveaway
Edit: I mean I guess that especially a rich person could, for some reason, wear a weird ass scarf designed by someone who thinks in a very out-of-the-box way… but which is more likely?
I mean I guess that especially a rich person could, for some reason, wear a weird ass scarf designed by someone who thinks in a very out-of-the-box way… but which is more likely?
This is douchebag Musk we’re talking about. Either one is equally possible, lol.
Whether he used an AI generator or not, it’s possible. But honestly, I could easily see him paying for a photoshoot for this since he announced moving SpaceX to Texas.
Fair, I wasn’t wondering if he did or didn’t post (I guess it could have been a fake tweet too, one can never be too sure). Just pointing at the aesthetics in the image, there’s something uncanny about it
Not to come off as a musk fan-boy (I am most certainly not), but that’s a damn good photograph. Absolutely a professional photoshoot with hilariously high-end wardrobe.
You may be right. A few other comment here have remarked at his neckerchief being not quite right. That also doesn’t exclude the possibility for a digital touch-up, or a photoshoot as a dedicated training model for AI.
If it’s real, I’m confident he had some competent assistant hire a competent crew for that photo-op. I’m guessing a competent PR consultant suggested a good photo-op in the first place, hit the right buttons to appeal to his wannabe cool image.
If it’s fake, some competent developer created a good tool, fed with competently selected data to create a rather convincing image.
What I’m trying to say is that there most certainly were several competent people involved in the making of this picture.
One of the community notes on the post said it was posted the day before by another account, and an AI image detector flagged it as AI with 90% confidence.
Musk using an AI image to fantasize about being some badass cowboy is both pathetic and absolutely expected lol
If he’d gone and bought a cowboy hat in the last few weeks, they would’ve at least attempted to sell him a summer hat (straw) instead of a winter hat (felt). Not definitive but strange.
Political parties are part of the culture war too. The rich don’t fit into a party. They like right wing economics because it keeps them rich, sure, but they push left wing culture because it gets people off their backs. As a whole, they play the two parties against each other, and we probably won’t be able to stop that unless we can get more parties into the running.
Political hatred - probably the most prominent form of hatred in the US - is driven by the dichotomy, the “you’re either with me or against me” that’s made so convenient by the fact that everyone has to fit into one of two buckets anyways. Throw more parties into the mix, and it’s harder to make that distinction because any given party works with you sometimes and against you at other times, and if you label them all as enemies, you’re going up against the majority of the country.
It’s easier said than done, though. Duverger’s law states that the maximum number of viable political parties is the number of seats in a given election + 1. So we can’t just will another political party into viability without booting out one that we already have. We have to change the voting structure. Proportional representation in congressional elections sounds good, and with fewer voting districts, it’s also harder to gerrymander. But that’s gonna be hard to push for.
Once we can accomplish that, the hatred will slowly subside (but not entirely,) and people will be able to see more clearly to deal with the class struggle. Plus, with more parties, we might even be able to vote in candidates who support the actual economic changes we want instead of just paying lip service to the lower classes.
When you’re a trans teen from OK getting beaten to death by classmates, the culture war feels a lot more urgent to focus on in the moment. Survival isn’t something you can be passive about.
Some people partake in the culture war as part of manipulation by the rich… Some people are forced into it by defending themselves from the first group. And some people are compelled into it to protect the second group.
While you’re not wrong about how we got here, it feels like it would be too easy for one side of the culture war to spin this as “Ignore my bigotry, Wall St is the real enemy!”
That’s an interesting arrow placement. I zoomed in like crazy trying to find the damn wasp. If anyone else is a dummy like me, it’s right at the top of the case window.
Soros, Bill Gates and the Bilderbergs, I guess? Probably also that Davos guy who Alex Jones et al TOTALLY aren’t fixated on for antisemitic reasons either, nuh-uh!
In my opinion it would be a movement if facism was the status quo. Given most people are discussing Western nations, which while adopting facism at an alarming pace; are not yet facist. Antifa is not a movement nor an organization. Since not being facist is the status quo and antifa means that you’re not going to support facism, in my opinion antifa is the current “establishment” and being facist is an effort to move the status quo. Aka a movement.
A movement can have members and leaders even without formal organizational hierarchy. It just won’t look the same as something like a corporation, nonprofit, or government. The person who noticed that the Proud Boys were coming to town and rallied people to a counter-protest? Definitely a leader. The people who show up on a cold rainy Saturday instead of staying indoors with a warm cup of tea? Members. Just because membership and leadership is more amorphous doesn’t mean it isn’t there in some form.
The person who noticed that the Proud Boys were coming to town and rallied people to a counter-protest? Definitely a leader
Nahh you got that wrong. What usually happens is that a lot of people who are into politics (which left-extreme people often are) hear about this at the same time (through some press release, some proud boys twitter account who’s rallyin their followers, etc.).
From that point the information spreads over friendsgroups, small discords, tweets, whatsapps, in person, slowly but steadily.
Any left-extreme person who hears this immediately thinks “I’m mad, I wanna show those guys that they’re not welcome”. Granted, some of us think about much more extreme things, but back to the point. The first reaction from that thought is often “is there a counter protest?”. People are then doing the same thing but the other way around, as now everyone is trying to find some tweet, event, whatsapp message screenshot, whatever, of someone saying where the meeting point for an event would be. If none are found, someones gonna create something, which is usuqlly someone who’s got a lot of connections with other left-extremists. Often there’s multiple people creating the same counterprotest, which gets super messy at times, but somehow everyone manages to meet up in some general spot.
Worst case you just have a bunch of friends groups going to the meeting spot of wherever the initial event is happening.
That’s “the antifa”. A massive network of friends and friends of friends of friends who are all pretty aligned in their political views (which is “fuck Nazis”) but who often don’t know more then 5 other antifacists.
Often there’s multiple people creating the same counterprotest, which gets super messy at times, but somehow everyone manages to meet up in some general spot.
This is kind of my point, in a way. It was maybe simplistic to use one person. There is leadership, but there are many leaders, and they don’t have a badge with “Antifa CEO”. Though someone really needs to make stickers with “Antifa CEO”. One of my former managers came from activist circles like antifa. She will always be my favorite manager because she is so great at making sure even shy people feel heard.
People are just nitpicking the meaning of the word Organization. Antifa is an organization in a very loose definition of the word. If you want to be more accurate, you’d call it a Network. Organizations (in the stricter sense) has a single leader and has a very tree-like structure with more power on top (like Corporations!), which Antifa obviously is not.
Though you’re correct in that Antifa is a “movement”.
I find this comment thread horribly ironic, and I hope I can show you why without starting an argument because this is genuinely kind of funny.
Fascism is when a state achieves (or attempts to achieve) totalitarianism through corporatization. All corporations are chartered and controlled through the state, and private industry becomes corporatized.
One of the ways they did this was through legitimizing specific channels of distribution, and labeling all who take a more independent route as illegitimate. Farmers, for example, were coerced into selling their products to state distributors, and pressured out of independent channels. Likewise, farmers who weren’t part of the state organization were often treated with suspicion and derision.
Basically, if you were a _____ and did _____ things, but were not part of the _____ organization, then you weren’t a real ______ no matter how good you are at _____.
Anyway, antifa is a real thing that exists, and that’s the thing people here are talking about. They’re a group that has identifiable goals, and they work together under the label. It’s really funny to me that so many here are appealing to “they’re not even a real org” in the face of dissent, because that’s one of the most fascist mind sets that exist commonplace today.
There is a huge overlap between people who would participate in Antifa and Anarchists, so you can imagine the problems getting a structured organization setup and keeping on task and purpose.
I’m sure that’s part of it. Antifa is definitely not well structured, and anarchists could probably be opposed to any official organization.
Let me put it this way, the post talks about a journalist who investigates antifa, which the op of this comment chain mocked because they’re not an organization. But, this is an argument of semantics, and the post didn’t use that word to begin with. Regardless of what you call antifa, he’s trying to investigate and see what they’re about.
It’s a very dishonest way to deride people. If you don’t mind me asking, if you don’t think the word organization is appropriate, what’s better? I mean I just say group, can’t really be wrong going that general but it also doesn’t say much. Like, when you said “people who participate in Antifa…”, what type of thing are those people participating in?
Organizations do not necessarily require structure, association is a synonym for a reason. Decentralized organizations and associations are a thing. Decentralized workers solidarity movements and co-op/community strengthening initiatives can be/are “organizing” even if no one is in charge. You don’t need to be a member of a union or an official neighborhood association to be part of an organization, there just needs to be general or vague common intention among a group and something of a shared identity. You might not get as much done a fast when not structurally organized, but you also don’t not exist if your not a card carrying member. I don’t understand the desire to divorce Antifa from being an organization or even existing. It’s like saying that the Deadheads aren’t a real thing because no one was directing the vast majority of fans who packed up and followed the band across the country.
I haven’t argued anything before that post, but this conversation about the semantics of the word organization means is interesting to me. To answer your question, I’d say Yes? Deadheads were a group of people associating with each other under common interest and intent. They didn’t particularly have leaders or any hierarchical structure, but they gathered in locations of common interest (concert venues and the surrounding local) based solely on individual discussion and desire, participated in the event alongside and with the group, and almost everyone participating identified as a deadhead. I really don’t understand the problem with them falling under the edge of the umbrella of the term organization.
They were an organization when viewed as an association or society: in this case a voluntary association of individuals for common ends. Deadheads were a distinct subculture in and of themselves, and I don’t understand in what universe that wouldn’t qualify. Keeping with the musician fandom, I’d say the same for the Juggalo’s. Being on the outer edge of the Venn diagram is still part of the whole picture.
See those jackasses with swastikas, they hate you. They’re the furthest right. See the people with hammers and sickles or black flags and maltovs? They hate each other almost as much as they hate the rich. They’re the furthest left.
In reality the right wing wants lower taxes, more police, more military, less corporate legislation, and to regulate your sexual and medical decisions every moral panic. They also tend to vote how their preacher tells them.
The left wing wants to regulate businesses, fund public works and social services, try to create a more equal society (the right wants hierarchy), and generally supports freedom except when used for bigotry. We also like unions. The further left you go the more you like unions.
Obligatory Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.”
What if I want no taxes for the lower class lower taxes for the middle class and small business but much higher taxes on the upper class and large corporations, a very strong military, less but stronger corporate regulation with more teeth, to fund public works and social services with the taxes we bring in, a free and equal society with no hierarchical systems or bigotry, freedom of speech and strong privacy laws with certain restrictions on speech (calls to violence, etc…), very strong unions, a near complete elimination of wall street, and a fair justice system that doesn’t target minorities as prey? Also, guns are fine for self defense in my opinion. Which side do I fall on?
Edit: So if you will read my posts below I talk about how going against groupthink just makes you enemies of the group. Then the group started down voting me down below. I’m really not worried about fake internet points. I just want to make sure that everyone that downvoted me is well aware that my point is well and truly proven. A difference of opinion is not welcome. Even, and especially, if that opinion is, “Stop letting the group think for you. Examine each issue as a separate issue and make fair and reasoned decisions.”
What if I want no taxes for the lower class lower taxes for the middle class and small business but much higher taxes on the upper class and large corporations
Left.
a very strong military
Typically right, but plenty of examples of marxist-leninist states with strong militaries, such as the USSR or China. And on the less authoritarian side you have the YPG in rojava who was very effective at fighting the Islamic state.
but stronger corporate regulation with more teeth
This one’s a little confusing, would probably need more clarification.
to fund public works and social services with the taxes we bring in
Left.
a free and equal society with no hierarchical systems or bigotry, freedom of speech and strong privacy laws with certain restrictions on speech (calls to violence, etc…), very strong unions, a near complete elimination of wall street, and a fair justice system that doesn’t target minorities as prey?
Left-libertarian/anarchist.
Also, guns are fine for self defense in my opinion.
At least in America, the guns issue is typically viewed as a left vs. right issue, but there’s plenty of folks on the far left that are in favor of guns (socialist rifle association, redneck revolt, John Brown gun club, etc).
Karl Marx even has an often cited quote on guns:
Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary
Which side do I fall on?
Pretty much left. You’re certainly left of the American Democrats. Pretty much the only thing stopping you from being a full on leftist is you don’t seem to be opposed to capitalism itself. Therefore, I’d say most of your positions sound like they fall under social democracy.
Classifications like those just feel kind of arbitrary. Like I get associating with like minded people, but my point was that trying to classify everything in these neat little bottles don’t work. You can make enemies if you don’t check all the opinion boxes no matter where you turn.
For example, I would agree with your military assessment as being left, except that military is never something that should be utilized domestically, unless as a very last resort facing an armed rebellion. Otherwise, its for defense and on the rare occasion offense, but should remain strong, very strong. I would much more readily agree with my conservative acquaintances on this issue and have in the number of conversations I have had as an older fellow.
And I’m not an economist nor a lawyer so any thing that I could really offer as far as corporate regulation would be very general things like, “monopolies bad”. So it would be difficult for me to really collate some kind of list of laws I think we should have, which speaks to the point that most people aren’t experts and just pretend to know the inner workings of systems they have no training in.
I would agree that I fall left of center, but only because it averages out that way. I have some very “conservative” opinions that are dwarfed by the “progressive” opinions that I have. Like, you cant take a bunch of opinions someone has and go, “You are just like those guys!” That will inevitably be proven wrong.
Classifying you as a leftist doesn’t mean that you have to agree with other leftists on everything, or that you aren’t allowed to have a few opinions that are right-wing too. It just means that your opinions tend to fall on the left side of the spectrum.
In other words, people aren’t left wing because they identify as left and then that determines their opinions. They’re left wing because, regardless of how they came to their conclusions on what their opinions should be, those opinions are on the left.
I appreciate your and and your opinion. I feel that it is important that I stress that anything that I type is not meant as an attack and is merely discussion. I love discussion it brings me a greater understanding everytime I am invited to participate. To the point, what you said in your post is something that I find to be untrue and is the point of what I am trying to say.
Firstly, no matter where you go people vote you off the island if you disagree with group think. I have seen it happen a number of times. There are specific issues that will get you ousted much more quickly to be true, but those issues aren’t necessarily core tenets of whatever the group philosophy is.
Secondly, as long as I have been alive I have found people who due to groupthink will always take the group’s ideas as a point of fact, creating the situations I am talking about. I am trying to say that the way that we do politics, separating things into large groups creates more harm than good.
I am not left because my ideas are left wing. I am left wing because you tell me I’m left wing. Then I identify as such, then connect with like minded people. Then group think takes hold and an equilibrium is reached wherein each idea is given a value.
Those in the group that disagree on principle risk being removed from the group or having to stay silent while often harmful ideas are espoused. Because at least our group isn’t that other one.
This last point is the danger, because, suppose it is true that the group we are discussing is truly better than their opponents. That doesn’t then give them immunity from making incorrect choices and espousing dangerous and harmful ideas and tactics. Those arguing for and enacting those can just say, “At least we aren’t those guys. They are evil!!” And then commit atrocities in the name of goodness. Because, “Hey, at least we aren’t those people.”
It’s depressing how many people would be more leftist if America didn’t systemically demonize anything left of mid-right. Instead people feel various ways that Would push them further left (such as pro choice in this image) and instead come up with these logical loops then keep voting Republican because that’s just how they vote.
Almost left wing, could be completely left wing depending on how strong you want unions to be, ie do you still want Capitalism or are you full-on syndicalist.
The left generally wants lower taxes too, just for different people. The left thinks the poorest should pay no taxes, while the right thinks the richest should pay no taxes. (Obviously I’m being hyperbolic, but that’s generally how it plays out.)
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