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johnthedoe , in Not today, sorry.

This is very occasionally popping up in restaurants in Australia. Whether you live here or travelling. Do not tip unless they did something incredible. I’m talking the fish brought your grandma back to life and the chef reconnected you with your long lost father. We don’t want to encourage tipping culture. We want to increase minimum wage. It’s like $23 now and we need that to keep growing with the economy.

wholeofthemoon ,

Even if they did something incredible don’t tip because you paid $30 for avocado on toast anyway.

xX_fnord_Xx ,

I think that one that is angry about paying 30 for avocado toast should make their own for five bucks and tip themselves.

Shush ,

I mean, that’s on you for agreeing to pay $30 for an avocado on toast.

I’m against (forced) tipping culture but the waiter is not at fault for the prices a restaurant sets up. If I saw the price and still decided to order it, I will definitely not fault the waiter for it.

Waiters that give great services gets tipped because I want to encourage waiters to give great service.

PM_ME_FEET_PICS ,

Fight it.

It’s bled into Canada like that as well and now it’s an expected thing in food service.

Cabs ask for tip here now. We have Pizza Delight out here with mandatory 15% tip after tax on thier buffet.

AeroLemming ,

mandatory

Y’all ain’t got any hidden charges laws?

xX_fnord_Xx ,

Fairly certain it says “xx gratuity will be added to all delivery orders”, so it isn’t really hidden, just obscure until final check out.

AeroLemming ,

I still think that should be illegal. The price should just be the price.

Cheez ,

$23 is the national no award minimum, but the restaurant award mandates $29 for even a level 1 casual.

name_NULL111653 , (edited )

$29 minimum!? ($18.40 in USD). In my state it’s $7.50 (USD), and most fast food workers like me get $11 after tips

Edit: For my line of work and hours it’s $11 and $12.70 on weekends in Australia (converted to USD)… Still a bit more than most fast food workers get in the U.S…

Agent641 ,

We also have free healthcare. You Americans are getting shafted from so many directions

name_NULL111653 ,

I’m seriously considering immigrating elsewhere when I’ve finished university… It’s nearly unlivable here.

noobdoomguy8658 ,

Do as soon as you can if you want to - coming back is often an option. It’s a lot more difficult to courage up to later on life, when you tend to have much more connections and emotions to whatever you’re about to leave.

It’s not always a bad thing to stay, of course, people have their reasons to both proceed with emigration and shaking it off, but it’s much easier the sooner you go with it.

johnthedoe ,

Thank you. I vaguely remember almost 30 but can’t remember what context that was so didn’t want to overstate.

Cheez ,

Yeah I always try to bring up our award to shut down the “but the well tipped waiters will lose money if you mandate a minimum wage” argument.

As though a minimum wage has to stay $7.

Our waitstaff get $35/hr on weekends and somehow we still have enough small cafes to bankrupt Starbucks.

JokeDeity ,

In America you can break your back at a fancy restaurant and they’re legally allowed to pay you like less than $5 because of tipping culture, or you can work fast food and they’re legally allowed to pay you $7.25 and you will never get tips. I’m amazed every day I wake up that we haven’t begun another revolution.

ThirdWorldOrder , in You kids would not remember.

In 1995 Steve Martin was 50, so it’s not too far off the mark

AttackPanda ,

I’m starting to worry that I look like Steve Martin in this picture but in my mind I look younger. I shall stay away from mirrors to ensure the illusion.

netburnr ,
@netburnr@lemmy.world avatar

Careful around oil cans too

Spaghetti_Hitchens ,

They are known to spontaneously start leaking

casey ,
@casey@mander.xyz avatar

HE HATES THESE CANS

mindbleach ,

Leave that painting in the attic.

MarigoldPuppyFlavors ,

Seems like he was always silver haired too. I don’t remember him any other way.

Tavarin ,
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He did grey very young. I had a friend grey in his twenties, so it does happen.

Kiosade ,

Dude no way, if he was 50 back then he’d be almost eigh— (checks wikipedia) — oh… oh no :(

CitizenKong ,

He looks like he’s in great shape though. It’s crazy that Martin Short is the younger of the two (by five years).

Norgur , in Cute cats, but squint your eyes

interestingly, the thumbnail gives it away immediately.

Hauskrampf , in android companies vs apple

I’m surprised that this whole “android vs apple” thing is still going on…

Semi-Hemi-Demigod ,
@Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social avatar

At least it's not Windows vs. Apple anymore

Polar ,

Wish it was. The Linux community shitting on Windows is worse.

DmMacniel ,

Hey, we gotta poop somewhere!

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  • DmMacniel ,

    Our Metabolism is just very performant. Must be running Linux :D

    Poggervania ,
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    “Nah bro, trust me, once I finally compile my Gentoo build it’s gonna be waaaaaaay better than Windows.”

    cue immediate crashing of Gentoo client

    pivot_root ,

    Should’ve used Arch, smh. /s

    HelloHotel ,

    Should’ve used the new distro, Assembly Only Linux. /s

    HelloHotel ,

    anything to get as far away from rustlang as possible! /s

    ganymede , (edited )

    why is that? it’s not punching down when its a billion dollar company

    edit: no coherent thoughts then? just mindless downvoting? well you’ve convinced me with that persuasive logic.

    it’s genuinely concerning to see the microsoft stockholm syndrome in the wild, but on lemmy it’s honestly baffling.

    stonedemoman ,

    Sometimes it just comes down to preference. I like Linux a lot for systems where I need the low overhead. But on my gaming PC, where I don’t have to worry as much about overhead, I prefer the convenience of not having to learn SSH commands or open source workarounds.

    ganymede , (edited )

    Microsoft is like the rich guy with the nice pool. Its looks nice. But then you learn they got rich by cutting corners and screwing over your friends. And are actively investing in making the public pool shit so they can grandstand their pool.

    Noone is blaming you for going up to the rich guys pool to have a nice easy time. Or at least, I’m not defending the kind of linux zealots who might blame you for choosing that

    But I equally believe it is right and fair for us to have the freedom to state the very valid reasons why we are choosing not to go up there.

    stonedemoman ,

    Still though, this is conflating Windows and Microsoft. This conversation started about Linux users shitting on Windows, not Microsoft. I think Windows is decent at providing a relatively low effort experience while I also agree that Microsoft is guilty of all the typical practices of corporate greed.

    I don’t buy Microsoft products anymore for that reason, but I still use them (if you catch my drift).

    ganymede , (edited )

    it’s hardly a conflation, this hostile modus operandi is baked into the windows product itself with malicious and intrusive features. i’m not sure if this is news to anyone, but those user-hostile features were added to windows by microsoft. and the best defense offered thus far for that is basically “most or all tech giants do it too” - yes, thankyou that’s exactly our point. the fact that shipping this kind of abusive software has been normalised is part of the problem too.

    i agree in as much as not everything about windows is bad. and it can be useful sometimes out of necessity. though its worth remembering that necessity may often be the result of hostility on microsoft’s part, either past or present. so it’s not really possible to have an honest conversation about what windows is, without an awareness of how microsoft has maliciously managed our perception of desktop operating systems in general. happy to explain what i mean by this in more detail if anyone’s interested.

    and also agreed, i’d never pay for it.

    stonedemoman ,

    The logic just doesn’t follow. If we can’t distinguish between the evil of a corporation and the use of its products/services then everyone here is going to burn for using electronics made by children in another country.

    “most or all tech giants do it too”

    This wasn’t my point at all. I’m simply stating that not everyone has the time and/or patience for Linux. I’m not a programmer. Most of the time that I do use Linux, it’s a struggle with a worthwhile outcome.

    bloodfart ,

    Damn, it’s almost like you either have to find a morally unassailable position or accept that there is no ethical consumption under capitalism and all that sentiment carries with it.

    stonedemoman ,

    lol That’s a more succinct way to put it than what I could come up with, I like it

    bloodfart ,

    Be ye here warned: break that sucker out on libs and they recoil like demons from a cross, but it’s not a fetish in that regard and eventually you’ll find one who needs more exorcism than that meager phrase can provide.

    stonedemoman ,

    😂 Duly noted

    ganymede , (edited )

    As I mentioned, I’m not here to criticise you for making the choice you have, or defend those who do criticise you for it.

    What I am here to defend is our freedom to state the very valid reasons why we are choosing to avoid it as much as possible.

    Therefore, it’s unclear to me exactly which stance you are taking in reference to what i said.

    Our position is there are at least two core topics for why we choose not go there. They are 1. issues with the product and 2. issues with the company.

    With the pool analogy the corner cutting and then further elucidation regarding the escalation of user-hostile features, are both specific criticisms with the windows software itself. Not the company.

    Regarding issues with the company, as stated we are not listing reasons for condemning you for your choice but rather listing the reasons why we make our choice as we do.

    Therefore, it is unclear exactly which position you are taking which is contrary to this? Everyone will have a different moral line for the myriad of issues when dealing with evil companies and their products/services. Do you wish to tell others where they choose to draw their own lines for their own lives are incorrect? I doubt that’s really the stance you intended to make, so what do you mean, then?

    Finally, I’m not sure how much of the history you’re aware of, but microsoft’s open hostility to linux devs & users is extensive and bitter. We have the case of a billion dollar company, actively trying to spoil & ruin the harmless pleasure many people take in a wonderful piece of technology.

    This is almost entirely unlike any other “us vs them” technology debate. In nearly every other case, its wealthy corporation vs wealthy corporation with the users caught in the middle. In this case it is literally freedom of the people vs corporate profits. That freedom being actually incredibly important: its not only about the harmless enjoyment of the community. But also, considering the tech trajectory our society is on, very likely serving a critical role for actual human rights today and tomorrow.

    As stated many times, you are welcome to your choice, and your choice is understandable. But it would really be alot healthier if people take the time to appreciate the breadth of the problem, and perhaps better appreciate why we make our choices the way we do.

    OR considering that may involve more effort than you have time for - fair enough - at least appreciate this is a topic some of the people who clearly have looked into it, might know some things about it you haven’t had time to learn yet.

    stonedemoman ,

    Do you wish to tell others where they choose to draw their own lines for their own lives are incorrect?

    No, and in fact it’s the other way around. This is exactly the underlying position used to attack Windows users. I don’t know how you can be so involved on the subject and not understand this.

    It doesn’t matter if you’re personally guilty of this or not. Just look at the downvotes and verbal attack I received simply for stating that both operating systems have merit. This is the result of conflating Microsoft with Windows, that there’s an innate feeling of moral superiority in the denouncement of Windows users because of the harm done by its creator.

    My point is that these two things are distinct and need to be distinguished. Criticize Windows all you want. Criticize Microsoft all you want. But if you start to criticize Windows for its association with Microsoft, then communication starts to break down and people start getting blamed for something they don’t even personally support because of a perceived moral high ground.

    There is no moral high ground to be had over your every day user, because at the end of the day we’re all participants of capitalistic evil no matter where we choose to draw our personal lines. That’s what I meant.

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  • stonedemoman , (edited )

    But you’re still grouping two distinct things together and feeding this monster that is ‘guilty by association’. At this point you’re either willfully ignoring my part about conflation or arguing just to argue. 🤷

    invalidates all subsequent discernment of shades of evil

    no moral high ground

    Do you see how these statements are different? Because let me remind you:

    Do you wish to tell others where they choose to draw their own lines for their own lives are incorrect?

    You’re dangerously close to implying that where others choose to draw their own lines is incorrect.

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  • stonedemoman ,

    For another example, your claim of conflation very much appears to be centred around your misunderstanding of the facts

    Not even close. This is plain to see, as nowhere in this entire essay, nor in any of your other comments for that matter, do you even address my point that lumping in Windows users with the immoral actions of a company results in a harmful dissonance that breeds hostility towards people that realistically don’t have another choice. Time and time again you’ve just ignored this and spouted some platitudes about how Microsoft being bad and Windows being their product somehow means that there’s no need to delineate the two because of their relationship. You can support one without supporting the other. There’s no need to tap dance around it.

    At least you’ve confirmed my suspicions that you hold these beliefs because of some misguided sense of superiority. I.E. I’m wrong because I can’t comprehend the problem. This is our miscommunication.

    or you’re actually engaging in bad faith discussion

    How can you even begin to think this when I’ve done nothing but advocate for both operating systems and attempted to elucidate the root of hostilities? How is my goal here not completely obvious?

    ganymede , (edited )

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  • stonedemoman ,

    Nice one. Hey, have fun continuing to be part of the smug assholes that give Linux a bad name.

    ganymede , (edited )

    all linux users are smug arseholes because once upon a time some of them hurt my feelings. and even though another linux user repeatedly denounced that and said its unfortunate, i pretended they didn’t because they wouldn’t endlessly cry with me about my hurt feelings and instead talked about actual real world facts, what a horrible group of people

    stonedemoman ,

    I’m a Linux user. Duh-doy. My very first comment said as much. I self-host a media server on a Debian distro. That’s one of the funniest parts of all this, people keep assuming that because it’s a struggle for me that I was never successful at it or that I’m ignorant on the subject. I succeeded despite my inadequacies, thank you very much.

    Also yes, that’s how it’s gonna be if you’re just going to continue perpetuating some of the collateral damage and call my attempt to change that …how did you put it? Oh right

    wasting my time

    ganymede , (edited )

    nowhere in this entire essay, nor in any of your other comments for that matter, do you even address my point that lumping in Windows users with the immoral actions of a company results in a harmful dissonance

    anyone can see the scrollback for themselves, it’s plainly visible i denounced it multiple times. the evidence is right here for anyone to see:

    But then you learn they got rich by cutting corners and screwing over your friends. And are actively investing in making the public pool shit so they can grandstand their pool. Noone is blaming you for going up to the rich guys pool to have a nice easy time. Or at least, I’m not defending the kind of linux zealots who might blame you for choosing that

    Source

    As I mentioned, I’m not here to criticise you for making the choice you have, or defend those who do criticise you for it.

    Source

    As stated we are not listing reasons for condemning you for your choice

    Source

    As stated many times, you are welcome to your choice, and your choice is understandable.

    Source

    dude its just sad at this point. why are you bothering to pretend its not addressed when its addressed repeatedly and was even requoted like 2 posts before you made your ridiculous, verifiably false statement.

    what is the purpose of this game? who do you think you’re kidding? anyone can see you’re being dishonest. and don’t even have the grace to admit it, you’re wrong. completely wasting an opportunity for us both to learn and for us to be friends even.

    whats even stranger is the original discussion was about linux community shitting on windows NOT windows users:

    The Linux community shitting on Windows is worse

    Source

    you’ve fixated on this windows user issue when, as quoted, it was never even about that, was already denounced by me immediately as quoted & sourced repeatedly above.

    i can see why you think linux users are smug arseholes, you pull this shit and cry when you don’t get away with it. its just sad dude. noone at microsoft is paying for your time to get invested like this. you think you give a fuck about you???

    but you know who might actually give a fuck about you? us, here, in this community. but you need to start by being honest with yourself about this, otherwise you are the one making it a waste of time.

    stonedemoman ,

    it’s hardly a conflation, this hostile modus operandi is baked into the windows product itself with malicious and intrusive features. i’m not sure if this is news to anyone, but those user-hostile features were added to windows by microsoft. and the best defense offered thus far for that is basically “most or all tech giants do it too” - yes, thankyou that’s exactly our point. the fact that shipping this kind of abusive software has been normalised is part of the problem too.

    For another example, your claim of conflation very much appears to be centred around your misunderstanding of the facts

    I’m entirely unconvinced by your claim that any participation in “capitalistic evil” immediately invalidates all subsequent discernment of shades of evil or the complex interactions thereof.

    even when discussing a topic you openly admit you know little to nothing about.

    All because your ego got a little bruised

    Funny, for somebody that claims to not conflate Windows with Microsoft you seem to spend a lot of time telling Windows users that they’re ignorant or wrong for association with Microsoft. Not to mention you edited out most of the times you lumped them together.

    ganymede ,

    if you wanna continue to embarrass yourself go ahead. i won’t be entertaining this sad display any longer.

    anyone is free to search the thread and read what i wrote in the full context it was stated.

    and to see your blatant dishonesty.

    good luck mate, i hope you find some kind of peace to whatever is keeping you so fixated about windows users that you need to fabricate an enemy in me over that aspect, despite me clearly and repeatedly denouncing it from day 1 of this discussion. all the best.

    stonedemoman ,

    if you wanna continue to embarrass yourself go ahead. i won’t be entertaining this sad display any longer.

    Oh right, I forgot that you’re superior and that therefore I’m incorrect by default. My bad.

    despite me clearly and repeatedly denouncing it from day 1 of this discussion. all the best

    Even though you still maintain that Microsoft and Windows are one and the same and have not addressed that you can use one without being in support of the other. Riiiiiiiiight.

    ganymede ,

    and for the record i don’t think its about ‘inadequacies’. its not a magic skill or secret knowledge. its just about investing the time to learn. put the time in and it will come, as you’ve already seen with your server.

    stonedemoman ,

    Not one hour ago you were assuming I was some idiot that can’t get linux to work because I advocate for preference. Get your two-faced shit out of here. Your noninclusive group of iconoclasts has done way more to push me away than any Windows community ever could.

    You freely admit you can’t get linux to work properly, yet suppose to lecture everyone what they are and are not free to discuss about this very same topic you admit you can’t get a handle on.

    nik282000 ,
    @nik282000@lemmy.ml avatar

    linux zealots who might blame you for choosing that

    I’ll defend them. Like pushing for vegan diets, solar energy, and the end of single use plastics. It’s annoying, it’s not fun but in the long run it’s to make the world better for average people.

    Globulart ,

    The ship has sailed there. Microsoft aren’t going anywhere soon and in the long run they will continue to win.

    There are plenty of good causes which I hypocritically agree with and don’t put into practise, eating meat is bad for me and the planet but I’ll still enjoy a steak without feeling like a villain believe it or not.

    Blaming someone for choosing Microsoft is a dick move, Linux doesn’t work for everyone (I.e. non tech people) so what should they (myself included) be doing instead in your opinion?

    The whole system needs to fail before a company like Microsoft loses, if that happens great. But until then me want play new games, me not know Linux tech, me use bad guy company to enjoy me time. Most importantly, me don’t feel bad for doing it.

    Seriously though, I pick my battles and try to not be evil while doing so. Microsoft selling an extra copy of windows once every 10 or 15 years won’t turn them into our all powerful overlords and it’s the easiest way for me to enjoy my free time, and on balance I’m fine with that.

    HelloHotel , (edited )

    Im mixed because on one hand, you dont want a “crazy lady in the attic”. (we feed her and don’t talk about her) to fix that you must be intolerant to the intolerant. (in this case, you want to be against intolerance for people who are running windows) Its uncomfortable because it feels like your attacking yourself.

    stonedemoman ,

    Your idea of making the world a better place is bullying people into submission? Something doesn’t quite add up there. 🤔

    nik282000 ,
    @nik282000@lemmy.ml avatar

    You’re in the wrong part of the internet, bud.

    stonedemoman , (edited )

    What an unsurprising outcome, it’s almost like this is exactly the kind of unwarranted hostility the original comment alluded to. The most ironic part is I use Linux too.

    I have just as much right to be here and to say my piece as you do.

    ReakDuck ,

    You know that on Windows you then don’t have ssh in the first place? Its like deinstalling ssh on Linux… It would be the same. It don’t understand your point with ssh.

    Globulart ,

    My lack of understanding of your sentence is exactly why I’ll never bother with Linux. It may be amazing and triple my PCs speed but I simply don’t have time (or motivation) to learn the vocabulary, let alone how things actually work.

    Windows may be worse than Linux, but I can install it and be playing any game I want within a few hours with no research. I just cba with anything that I have to think about for more than 2seconds when I want to use my PC, it exists for me to kill time (and occasionally various admin tasks) and I don’t have any need to complicate life further by using Linux and having to keep up with the latest ssh or whatever you’re talking about.

    HelloHotel ,

    honestly, do what makes you happy. I may eat and breath Linux but its my choice. yours is valid too. I disassociate from anyone who attack people and not their OS’s issues. there are people who just want to make hardware and software better, (FSF is hard to advocate for but I generally do), the losers who verbally harass people for not using Linux are culturally destructive (especially to Linux).

    Globulart ,

    Agree with everything you’ve written. Linux users are frequently the worst thing about it, I’m sure lots are reasonable but seeing (the vocal part of) the community really puts me off becoming a part of it.

    Nice to see that my experience isn’t reflective of all users though, thanks mate :)

    Honytawk ,

    I dare to bet that through this single line of comments, you have converted more people to Linux than any of those Linux zealots have done in their lifetime.

    ReakDuck ,

    Actually… I know you have no knowledge. But to explain to you how nonsese it is.

    On Linux you have a greater experience of plug and play. You just open the store app and install any application you want. Done. Not sure why you need to learn any vocabulary and not sure why you think you need that after I said that you don’t need it. Its all GUI. Games just install and work. You only need to have Steam or Lutris. Faster to install Games than on Windows tbh.

    On Windows you need to search the whole web through fake ads and non official fake apps to get what you want. At worse, malware is installed within seconds.

    droans ,

    Windows ships with SSH.

    ReakDuck , (edited )

    No, only Windowd 10 Pro afaik. But maybe I am indeed wrong

    droans ,

    learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/terminal/…/ssh

    Windows has a built-in SSH client that you can use in Windows Terminal.

    You may need to enable it before using it, depending on the version you originally installed. They’ve even had a built-in SSH server since W10 build 1809.

    ReakDuck ,

    Seems like times are changing

    Jakeroxs ,

    You’re at +23 lol

    mexicancartel ,

    40ups and 16downs

    ganymede ,

    Tbh I’m a bit disappointed, the influx of new users is great. It’s great people are leaving closedsource places and enjoying free and opensource places like lemmy.

    Its good seeing new faces and making new friends.

    And I get they’ll inevitably bring some of that default “closed is better than open” mindset with them.

    Its just disappointing when given the opportunity to learn a bit more about the world of open freedom, instead of considering maybe there might be something new they could learn and potentially enjoy.

    Instead they try to drown us out with mindless and (mostly) unsubstantiated downvotes.

    And it often turns out to be people who inevitably declare they don’t know how to use linux or couldn’t get it working properly.

    So WHY is it when someone admits they don’t really understand the topic, do they think they’re the right person to vote on the legitimacy of the claims being made???

    mexicancartel ,

    Why are yoy replying me

    ganymede , (edited )

    just venting. lol

    JackbyDev ,

    I’ll bite, I down voted you because I think you’re missing the point of what the above commenters are talking about. It’s not about whether it’s punching down/up to criticize Microsoft.

    ganymede , (edited )

    why is that? it’s not punching down when its a billion dollar company

    I’ll bite, I down voted you because I think you’re missing the point of what the above commenters are talking about. It’s not about whether it’s punching down/up to criticize Microsoft.

    It literally started with a question.

    why is that?

    As yet noone has even answered that question.

    Why is it worse? You’ve gone to the trouble to downvote, and reply, yet still haven’t answered the question.

    Tbh most partisan camp debates in technology are pretty tiresome: ios vs android, playstation vs xbox. They all have pros and cons.

    (Even linux and windows both have their pros and cons.)

    That said, there’s a huge difference between comparing two commercial products both from competing companies vs a powerful open source tool, with almost limitless potential. Virtually ANY complaint you have about linux CAN be fixed by the public, even YOU if you put in the appropriate effort/resources.

    The fact that you can freely boot into modern hardware with something offering that kind of power & freedom openly to the public is frankly incredible.

    So tbh it’s pretty difficult to see why it is worse.

    JackbyDev ,

    You’ve answered the question yourself. It’s just tiresome. It’s so exhausting to see time and time again. It’s not like it makes it not tiresome just because it’s punching up to criticize Microsoft. It’s a subjective thing, clearly some people don’t think it is tiresome so they continue to gripe about it.

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    JackbyDev ,

    I don’t think this conversation has ever been about it being unreasonable for people to talk about, but no, I don’t find it unreasonable. Like I said, I just find the framing of it being about a power differential to be irrelevant for folks finding the topic to be annoying to read about.

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    JackbyDev ,

    I was and am explaining to you why I down voted your comment. You asked someone who made a very subjective claim about their personal taste to justify their decision and part of your reasoning that they shouldn’t have that subjective opinion was that there’s a power differential between Linux and Microsoft. Just because that is true doesn’t invalidate their opinion about what is annoying to them. It’s like saying “how can you think red is the best color when it’s the color of blood?” It doesn’t matter.

    HelloHotel ,

    some is warranted, some is not, both sides have a copium dealer, mine is down the street from me.

    TehPers ,

    The whole green vs blue bubble thing has to be the most idiotic debate I’ve ever seen in my life. At least here people seem to be comparing real features, but still just buy whatever has what you want. Especially when iPhone 15 comes out with USB-C charging.

    KrankyKong , in Gaming Then vs Gaming Now

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  • ElectricCattleman ,

    X-COM: UFO Defense has joined the chat.

    Dubious_Fart ,

    wasnt there a XCOM knockoff game that deleted your tire C drive if you uninstalled it?

    casmael ,

    Oh my god I both do no don’t want this to be true

    Dubious_Fart ,

    Theres been a couple games that had this issue.

    I know Myth 2 had it if you installed it into the wrong directory or something.

    There was some not-mainstream MMO that had the issue too at one point.

    but I cant remember the name of the xcom knockoff that had it.

    and I cant find anything about it cause I keep finding 5000 pages of results about recovering uninstalled games.

    twistedcarbon ,

    Pool of Radiance: Ruins of Myth Drannor was one of them.

    Valmond ,

    One big game installed itself as a boot option

    Turn PC on

    Want to play or open windows?

    O_o

    Damage ,

    Set up soundblaster irq dma bzzz bzz

    Sphks ,
    @Sphks@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    “NOT ENOUGH CONVENTIONAL MEMORY”
    Ok. Time to set and launch a specific autoexec.bat.

    altima_neo ,
    @altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

    “Please insert disc into drive D:/”

    BuboScandiacus ,
    @BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz avatar

    You alt-tabbed ? Then fuck you and your unsaved progress

    WhyIDie ,

    mortal kombat 2 on pc was a game changer tho.

    but I’ll bring up one that’s a step further, startropics on NES: dip a manual page in water to reveal the code, or you don’t get to progress, mid-way through the game

    averagedrunk ,

    I’m full l having flashbacks to Fantasy Empires. I don’t know if I ever had the manual. I think I just got a list of words from someone.

    Restaldt , in I'd pick the person.

    I feel like thats not even that many roaches for a real infestation

    Also doesnt mention what kind

    And there are proffesionals you can call probably once to deal with that problem.

    If you find a human living in your attic unbeknownst to you well

    Thats a lifetime of therapy or more to deal with after dealing with the immediate problem

    Roaches every time

    girl ,

    fr, that person might rape and/or murder me but the roaches won’t lol

    Boggy ,

    Absolutely with you here. Roaches is normal at worst

    OldManBOMBIN ,

    I was going to say exactly this. 1,000 roaches is not that many roaches, can be easily dealt with, and pose no serious immediate threat.

    One human could kill you and your entire family and then burn your house down.

    cre0 ,

    If you see 1 roach, there’s probably 1,000 more hiding. If you see 1,000 roaches…

    pooberbee ,

    Then there’s only one hiding?

    cre0 ,

    yeah but he’s the size of Larry Bird and he sucks at hiding

    Ugh ,

    I don’t know why, but this made me laugh so hard it hurt my ribs and stomach. I haven’t laughed that hard in a while - thank you!

    Drusas ,

    Roaches can cause respiratory problems, but I'd take that over potential murder and rape.

    Also, I would be very disappointed in my dogs if they didn't notice a person living in the attic. You can find a ball by scent--you'd better notice a person creeping around!

    Flughoernchen ,

    A person creeping around? That’s just Paul, mate. You know Paul, he’s been living in the attic for years. Stupid human, doesn’t even recognize it’s own flatmates.

    Drusas ,

    Very possible thought line for one of my dogs. The other doesn't trust anyone without endless cajoling.

    radix ,
    @radix@lemm.ee avatar

    Paul — is that the name of the faceless old woman who secretly lives in your home???

    BonesOfTheMoon OP ,

    My dog would have just befriended the person and convinced them to bring him snacks.

    cyclohexane ,

    Why do we assume the human wants to harm you? If they’re in your attic, that means they would have already killed you if they wanted.

    Chances are if you maintain peace, they will.

    OldManBOMBIN ,

    I don’t want random dildos hanging out in my house without my knowledge, friendly or not. At least with the roaches, I don’t have to have a conversation.

    MBM ,

    It’s so interesting that people assume the worst of the human, unironically says something about society. I was just imagining a homeless person.

    scubbo ,

    I take your point, but the reasoning “this person has already demonstrated themselves willing, able, and motivated to breach a major social contract related to your safety; therefore I fear that they may try to breach more” is not unreasonable. The proportion of “home invaders who are also (willing to be) murderers” is gonna be way larger than the proportion of willing murderers among the general population.

    pinkdrunkenelephants ,

    Because humans are much more sneaky and vicious than that. People like that in the real world are squatters who can and have harmed them on discovery.

    dojan ,
    @dojan@lemmy.world avatar

    What if it’s a nice person though?

    Restaldt ,

    They would have asked if they could live in my attic

    dojan ,
    @dojan@lemmy.world avatar

    May I live in your attic? I’m a great cook.

    Restaldt ,

    No thanks its currently occupied by spiders and i dont need more roommates

    dojan ,
    @dojan@lemmy.world avatar

    I have a spider too! Her name is Bianca-Fabian.

    Flughoernchen ,

    Mine doesn’t have a name yet, but it caught that really annoying fly yesterday, which was nice.

    GBU_28 ,

    A LIFETIME of therapy?

    knorke3 ,

    to be fairy there are also professionals who will be all too willing to take any unregistered humans off your hands…

    Awoo , in Your Operating System is Not Supported. Please install Google Smart Home OS to continue.

    Open your ublock Origin dashboard and add the following 4 lines:


    
    <span style="color:#323232;">youtube.com##+js(set, yt.config_.openPopupConfig.supportedPopups.adBlockMessageViewModel, false)
    </span><span style="color:#323232;">
    </span><span style="color:#323232;">youtube.com##+js(set, Object.prototype.adBlocksFound, 0)
    </span><span style="color:#323232;">
    </span><span style="color:#323232;">youtube.com##+js(set, ytplayer.config.args.raw_player_response.adPlacements, [])
    </span><span style="color:#323232;">
    </span><span style="color:#323232;">youtube.com##+js(set, Object.prototype.hasAllowedInstreamAd, true)
    </span>
    

    You’re welcome.

    ipkpjersi ,

    I’m worried one day they will re-encode videos with advertisements themselves, or something similar to that. Although I guess SponsorBlock takes care of that, until they straight up just break/remove extensions with their crazy “Web Environment Integrity” proposal.

    victron ,

    That would screw up those who actually pay for YouTube. But who knows.

    ipkpjersi ,

    Not if they serve a different video based on your account status. They always have ways of doing things lol

    victron ,

    Yeah, I knew there was some way for them to make it work.

    Haywire ,

    Thank you.

    Awoo ,
    arefx ,

    Just commenting so I can remember to do this when I get home.

    Misconduct ,

    Hey don’t forget

    electrorocket ,

    You can just bookmark it.

    arefx ,

    But then people won’t comment and I’ll forget lol

    bartolomeo ,
    @bartolomeo@suppo.fi avatar

    Did you do it yet?

    Resistentialism ,

    Did you remember

    habl ,

    I highly appreciate your effort but I’m not sure if I even want to go to YouTube anymore. Is my life really going to get worse without YouTube?

    Awoo ,

    Nah it definitely won’t lol. But there’s gonna be those times people link it and you’re gonna get annoyed by it otherwise. shrug-outta-hecks

    One day peertube will figure out peer to peer at large scale and then everything will change.

    habl ,

    That’s true, worth the effort no matter what

    Resistentialism ,

    Just to double-check. Do we add that to “my filters”? That’s where I added it.

    Awoo ,

    Yep that should usually be the first thing that opens.

    I have never had any issues with youtube ads since the changes with this. They will probably adapt to it eventually but so far no problems, european region though so who knows if they have different approaches to different regions. Judging by your instance choice I assume you’re in the UK like myself though.

    Resistentialism ,

    Ah. I went through the ublock settings from the addons page, maybe thats why I threw ke the first page.

    Let’s just hope it carries on, but I’m not a programmer, so I couldn’t tell if there could be a workaround.

    And yes, I am from England.

    Awoo ,

    There’s loads of things they can do but ultimately it’ll just provoke a new method of countering it. This is why they want to push software level changes to browsers that would allow them to prevent adblocking entirely.

    Resistentialism ,

    Yeah, I don’t see how they think they could ever win this.

    Much like a lot of others on here, I am fully prepared to lose access to sites if they force me into their bullshit.

    Guy_Fieris_Hair , in No Adblock is a deal breaker.

    It is sad, but through the events of the last few years (Reddit, Twitter, politics) companies have realized they can do whatever they want. While they will lose a significant portion of users, the mass majority will stay. The ones that leave are the ones they can’t abuse and they don’t want them anyway. Profit is better taking advantage of the complacent and losing the activists than the other way around.

    Anywho, I will move to Firefox just like I moved to lemmy. Although I’m not sure moving to Firefox actually fixes anything other than giving Google less money. Now I just need to figure out how to have a phone without apple or Google getting a peice.

    newproph ,

    google pixel 5 bought used, unlock the bootloader and flash it with grapheneOS. download Firefox with AdBlock and use fdroid and aurora store (found on fdroid) for apps.

    Guy_Fieris_Hair ,

    Does it run all the android apps? Like, the one off apps for like my fridge, security cameras etc…?

    SIGSEGV ,

    No offense, but wtf does someone need an app for their fridge?

    SomeBoyo ,

    It’s obviously to know what your groceries are doing, while you aren’t looking.

    unsignedint ,

    Like Night at the Museum but for a refrigerator. There’s a movie in there somewhere.

    Radioactrev ,

    Sausage party was that movie. And yes, it was as bad as it sounds.

    unsignedint ,

    Lol, should’ve guessed…

    Resistentialism ,

    To be fair, the only reason I can see for having a smart fridge is , if you’re at the shops or at work, and you need to check if you need anything, you can just use that.

    But, like, I can’t see any other purpose. And even that one is instantly voided by using that magical little thing, and making yourself a list.

    Guy_Fieris_Hair ,

    I was just using it as an example because I just figured it out on my fridge (it’s useless). I was just trying to figure out if I would be going backwards 10 years if I switched, that was just the first thing that came to mind as an example.

    SIGSEGV ,

    No, you do you. I just don’t understand the engineers’ motivation for creating an IoT fridge.

    From the creators of the IoT fridge comes the first IoT toilet, complete with a bowl camera and mic that stares up your ass and notifies your family when the bathroom is in use and whose taking a crap. You can even review your past shits in 4k! 😛

    Guy_Fieris_Hair ,

    I could maybe see some uses for a fridge on wifi. The only useful things it does is notify me if the temp rises beyond a point or if the door is left open for a really long time. As far as the temp rising without the door open the only cause is either the fridge failed ( It better fucking not) or the power went out. If the power goes out, so does my router so…

    SIGSEGV ,

    That is actually somewhat useful. I don’t know if that use-case is worth it to me, personally, to have a potentially insecure device on my home network, but I suppose you could give it its own network and write decent firewall rules to protect your other gear.

    Guy_Fieris_Hair ,

    Never really thought about that. Hmm. I mean, it’s GE, a somewhat reputable company, but apparently they were just bought out by a company in China. But it goes through my network, communicates with a cloud service, who communicates with the app on my phone. It would seem possible that whoever runs that cloud service has the ability to do whatever they want in my network through my fridge.

    I run a raspberry pi for some automation in my house and use tailscale as a VPN so I can access it as a server when I’m not home. As long as I can trust tailscale, it is encrypted straight from the raspberry pi to my phone. There is no middle man. But having that cloud service for the fridge app is something I need to research.

    Blimp7990 ,

    to ask alexa to buy more milk, duh

    its like you dont even 2023

    ruination ,

    You can get yourself sandboxed Google Play Services and everything should work fine. Personally, I have a separate profile for apps that need it.

    Blimp7990 ,

    i mean, they will run. the question is if the app developers hate you.

    and since for the most part app developers care about having you as a user so they can sell your personality to advertisers, what i actually mean by “if the app developers hate you” is “if the app is a bank”.

    Many banking apps will work on secure roms like calyx/graphene. Techlore set up a submittal system here you can check: plexus.techlore.tech

    As a concrete example, it indicates if the app works without google spyware at all vs if it works with the microg spyware simulation service, and indicates my former bank chase has support for migrog but not totally-google-free operation.

    However, sadly (and I assume because the head dev of graphene has clear mental disorders and took a massive dump all over techlore for months at a time a couple summers back), somehow the play services question doesnt get answered on the techlore site. For that, you have to go to a different site: privsec.dev/…/banking-applications-compatibility-…

    newproph ,

    sorry ik it’s months later. yes, things work for the most part. anything that doesn’t I just enable exploit protection compatibility mode for and it works no problem then. you can even just straight up install Google play as a normal app without admin privileges.

    TwoGems ,

    Get an android phone that you can root with an OS.

    sounddrill ,

    I’m running a bacon right now!

    I’ll soon upgrade to an oxygen(mi max 2) when mi unlock allows me to :(

    HawlSera ,

    What really has me paranoid is all the ones suddenly deciding to power trip and give out bans over nothing. We need to create a safe place on the web where the corporations can’t get to us.

    nasi_goreng ,
    @nasi_goreng@lemmy.zip avatar

    TikTok already did this in Indonesia.

    They remove any videos that being critical towards TikTok. Especially, they’re trying to flood Indonesian market with cheap Chinese goods via TikTok Shop.

    yoz ,

    Donate to Pinephone

    seitanic ,
    @seitanic@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    Wouldn’t it be better to just buy a Pinephone?

    hermit3 ,

    GrapheneOS. Don’t use Firefox on Android

    Blimp7990 ,

    GrapheneOS is a rom and firefox is a browser

    You mean: “use vanadium, which is only available if you have a pixel and the technical skills and can-do to install a thirdparty rom”

    hermit3 ,

    Security on Firefox for Android is a significant concern.

    Blimp7990 ,

    not necessarily relevant to my message, but ok. can you provide a list of specific issues or CVEs?

    Resonosity ,

    Fairphone 4 from certain vendors comes preloaded with e/OS which is like a deGoogled Android. Might work for people looking to move away from Google. I’m considering it myself for my next phone.

    Saneless , in Priorities!

    Use Lemmy, y’all!

    Nooo not like that!

    gowan ,
    @gowan@reddthat.com avatar

    I think the issue is sync users cost instances money but does not pay those instances.

    ShustOne ,

    I mean isn’t that true for literally every user that doesn’t pay? I’m not sure why we are mad at Sync users when we don’t even have a strong call to action to donate to instances.

    electriccars ,

    You think Sync users don’t also donate? I paid for sync and donated to Lemmy’s development. Considering donating to my 2 main instances as well.

    gowan ,
    @gowan@reddthat.com avatar

    I didnt write the comic

    AlpacaChariot ,

    That’s literally Reddit’s argument against third party apps, the reason a good chunk of Lemmy users left reddit is they disagree with that approach…

    gowan ,
    @gowan@reddthat.com avatar

    Reddit wasn’t wrong about that fact. One of their biggest problems was the official app had not been able to do most of the things the third party apps could do.

    frokie ,

    Well the Lemmy web UI is not able to do most of the things third party apps could do.

    Saneless ,

    How much has liftoff, jeroba, connect, etc paid?

    gowan ,
    @gowan@reddthat.com avatar

    Do they have a paid feature?

    Saneless ,

    Ok so they’ve paid just as much is what you’re saying

    Hyperi0n ,

    Jeroba is the official app…

    Meloku ,
    @Meloku@feddit.cl avatar

    Maybe Lemmy instances should bill third party apps for API calls, hmmm?

    Trapping5341 ,

    But it’s fine if I cost an app dev their time and instances money and give nothing to no one? Genuine question because I don’t understand all the sync hate.

    natebluehooves ,

    My lemmy server is selfhosted (pawb.social), and the running costs are pretty negligible after initial costs.

    We get plenty of donations honestly, but that is obviously not universal.

    gowan ,
    @gowan@reddthat.com avatar

    I didnt write the cartoon im just explaining what is going on in the image.

    MJKee9 ,

    Even a group of saints will find someone in their midst deserving of rebuke.

    Strykker ,

    “use my instance please”

    “No not like that!”

    Holy fuck this is what we left Reddit to avoid…

    Lemmy had a garbage web UI. And the other apps I have used are not nearly as smooth as sync.

    APassenger ,

    We pay.

    You assume.

    It’s junior level reasoning.

    gowan ,
    @gowan@reddthat.com avatar

    Im explaining what the comic is saying. You assume and without any evidence. That’s a bad look

    APassenger ,

    I just said we pay. You seem to think I’m talking about Sync.

    I’m not. Technically, I guess I could be talking about both server and sync.

    What I’ve seen on Lemmy is I can say I paid for Sync and donate to the server and someone will need to come along to tell me all of that money should go to Lemmy.

    That’s too either/or. And it’s making Lemmy look… incapable of nuanced thought. Or entitled.

    It’s not everyone, but it’s common enough it looks really odd.

    Mothra , in elon is a lame poser
    @Mothra@mander.xyz avatar

    Why does it feel like an AI generated image? Am I the only one getting this vibe?

    fushuan ,

    It probably is why bother with the dress up when you can generate the photo after some trial an error.

    Plopp ,

    Because it is either an AI image or it has been processed to look like one.

    IzzyScissor , (edited )

    Hyper-detailed foreground with a blurry background and a subject matter that falls into the uncanny valley? Yeah, that all checks out.

    E2A: Zoom in on smaller sections and it becomes more obvious. Objects that should be in the same depth of field have different levels of blur, patterns don’t follow rules, it looks like the jacket has buttons, but half of a zipper on one side? There’s a lot of little things.

    Mothra ,
    @Mothra@mander.xyz avatar

    You are good at pointing out what feels wrong in the image. It could be a case of very heavy editing or AI-powered filters without necessarily being completely ai generated but I still stand by my initial impression that it gives and AI vibe and you are right about why

    Annoyed_Crabby ,

    It doesn’t need to be AI generated. He is that ugly and weird.

    DmMacniel ,
    @DmMacniel@feddit.org avatar

    The scarf looks rather strange. Some partitions are square patterned while the rest follow some arbitrary dotting.

    orgrinrt ,

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/6cd53b0b-a91e-4481-a155-f4d9a14307b9.jpeg

    Yup, that seam/twist there on the foreground is almost a definitive giveaway

    Edit: I mean I guess that especially a rich person could, for some reason, wear a weird ass scarf designed by someone who thinks in a very out-of-the-box way… but which is more likely?

    bassomitron ,

    I mean I guess that especially a rich person could, for some reason, wear a weird ass scarf designed by someone who thinks in a very out-of-the-box way… but which is more likely?

    This is douchebag Musk we’re talking about. Either one is equally possible, lol.

    DogPeePoo ,

    You know it’s AI because the hat isn’t on backwards this time

    bassomitron ,

    Musk really did post this.

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/156473d7-83ae-4f14-963e-ee4430dc42fc.jpeg

    Whether he used an AI generator or not, it’s possible. But honestly, I could easily see him paying for a photoshoot for this since he announced moving SpaceX to Texas.

    Mothra ,
    @Mothra@mander.xyz avatar

    Fair, I wasn’t wondering if he did or didn’t post (I guess it could have been a fake tweet too, one can never be too sure). Just pointing at the aesthetics in the image, there’s something uncanny about it

    bassomitron ,

    Yeah, in hindsight that’s completely fair

    dejected_warp_core ,

    Not to come off as a musk fan-boy (I am most certainly not), but that’s a damn good photograph. Absolutely a professional photoshoot with hilariously high-end wardrobe.

    Transporter_Room_3 ,
    @Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website avatar

    Dude spent a shitload of money on a photographer so he could feel like a cowboy for a few minutes.

    Edit: I’m still not sure it’s actually a real photo though, it doesn’t sit right with me.

    dejected_warp_core ,

    You may be right. A few other comment here have remarked at his neckerchief being not quite right. That also doesn’t exclude the possibility for a digital touch-up, or a photoshoot as a dedicated training model for AI.

    Transporter_Room_3 ,
    @Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website avatar

    Ooh, I hadn’t thought of the possibility of Ai enhanced regular photo.

    Of course, the Muskrat and Faceburg have both always given me “uncanny valley” vibes just because that’s how they look normally

    the_post_of_tom_joad ,

    I wanted to say that outfit slaps also, glad i found a homie to agree.

    Somehow it makes his face even more slappable though. Mannnn can you imagine how good it would feel to hit a stinger on that gob?

    lennivelkant ,

    If it’s real, I’m confident he had some competent assistant hire a competent crew for that photo-op. I’m guessing a competent PR consultant suggested a good photo-op in the first place, hit the right buttons to appeal to his wannabe cool image.

    If it’s fake, some competent developer created a good tool, fed with competently selected data to create a rather convincing image.

    What I’m trying to say is that there most certainly were several competent people involved in the making of this picture.

    Just not the subject.

    Skullgrid ,
    @Skullgrid@lemmy.world avatar

    The cut off conspiracy theory image 🤣

    anachronist ,

    I love the idea that not only is he all-hat-no-cattle, he also faked the hat.

    casmael ,

    That’s because it’s an ai image by the looks of it

    Ragdoll_X , (edited )
    @Ragdoll_X@lemmy.world avatar

    One of the community notes on the post said it was posted the day before by another account, and an AI image detector flagged it as AI with 90% confidence.

    Musk using an AI image to fantasize about being some badass cowboy is both pathetic and absolutely expected lol

    aido ,
    @aido@lemmy.world avatar

    If he’d gone and bought a cowboy hat in the last few weeks, they would’ve at least attempted to sell him a summer hat (straw) instead of a winter hat (felt). Not definitive but strange.

    Seraph , in Everytime
    @Seraph@kbin.social avatar

    "They got you fighting a culture war to stop you fighting a class war"

    Nimux2 ,
    Sotuanduso ,

    Political parties are part of the culture war too. The rich don’t fit into a party. They like right wing economics because it keeps them rich, sure, but they push left wing culture because it gets people off their backs. As a whole, they play the two parties against each other, and we probably won’t be able to stop that unless we can get more parties into the running.

    Political hatred - probably the most prominent form of hatred in the US - is driven by the dichotomy, the “you’re either with me or against me” that’s made so convenient by the fact that everyone has to fit into one of two buckets anyways. Throw more parties into the mix, and it’s harder to make that distinction because any given party works with you sometimes and against you at other times, and if you label them all as enemies, you’re going up against the majority of the country.

    It’s easier said than done, though. Duverger’s law states that the maximum number of viable political parties is the number of seats in a given election + 1. So we can’t just will another political party into viability without booting out one that we already have. We have to change the voting structure. Proportional representation in congressional elections sounds good, and with fewer voting districts, it’s also harder to gerrymander. But that’s gonna be hard to push for.

    Once we can accomplish that, the hatred will slowly subside (but not entirely,) and people will be able to see more clearly to deal with the class struggle. Plus, with more parties, we might even be able to vote in candidates who support the actual economic changes we want instead of just paying lip service to the lower classes.

    bisby ,

    When you’re a trans teen from OK getting beaten to death by classmates, the culture war feels a lot more urgent to focus on in the moment. Survival isn’t something you can be passive about.

    Some people partake in the culture war as part of manipulation by the rich… Some people are forced into it by defending themselves from the first group. And some people are compelled into it to protect the second group.

    While you’re not wrong about how we got here, it feels like it would be too easy for one side of the culture war to spin this as “Ignore my bigotry, Wall St is the real enemy!”

    herrcaptain , in Old days before the uprising

    That’s an interesting arrow placement. I zoomed in like crazy trying to find the damn wasp. If anyone else is a dummy like me, it’s right at the top of the case window.

    BreadOven ,

    Thanks I didn’t actually see it until going back after your comment. It’s definitely a dumb arrow placement.

    Kusimulkku ,

    I think since it’s a video the arrow was on the correct place at one point but due to moving the camera it isn’t now

    herrcaptain ,

    That makes a lot of sense.

    Track_Shovel , in Hey, maybe poor people don't deserve to starve?

    But have you thought about the shareholders and the executives? They are the ones that really have it bad!

    If only those lazy poor people worked harder and pulled themselves up by this bootstraps.

    It’s not like we systemically work towards keeping them poor so we can have the power!

    Last quarter my 401k dropped by 0.3%! IM THE VICTIM HERE

    Rozz ,

    To be fair when you have that much money 0.3% is a lot of money (for a poor person)

    umbrella ,
    @umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

    they still have so much they wouldn’t miss it if there wasn’t a number on his balance telling him he lost money.

    imagine how much 0.3% of some billionaire asshole’s money could help rebuild people’s lives.

    Rozz ,

    My response was sarcastic, but also accurate, and yes that tiny bit could do a whole lot of good

    winterayars ,

    It’s more that the 401k grew 0.3% the previous. Still growing, still a lot, just not quite as much of an increase.

    redcalcium ,

    We can’t let the elites got taxed too hard. What if I finally win a lottery and join the elites? My wealth would be sucked dry by the excessive tax!

    TacoButtPlug , in Math
    @TacoButtPlug@sh.itjust.works avatar

    It’s crazy how many people just on this meme think antifa is an actual organization. 🤦

    Johanno ,

    How else they are paying their demonstrators money for each demonstration?

    Viking_Hippie , (edited )

    Soros, Bill Gates and the Bilderbergs, I guess? Probably also that Davos guy who Alex Jones et al TOTALLY aren’t fixated on for antisemitic reasons either, nuh-uh!

    /s in case it isn’t abundantly clear

    partner0709 ,

    Lol you saying they are not? You are funny

    hungryphrog ,

    Would you like to tell me the name of the official antifa organisation?

    SaltyIceteaMaker ,
    @SaltyIceteaMaker@iusearchlinux.fyi avatar

    Obviously its Antifa© inc. Everyone learns that in first grade🙄

    Sotuanduso ,

    It’s a movement, isn’t it? That’s still a form of organization.

    InputZero ,

    In my opinion it would be a movement if facism was the status quo. Given most people are discussing Western nations, which while adopting facism at an alarming pace; are not yet facist. Antifa is not a movement nor an organization. Since not being facist is the status quo and antifa means that you’re not going to support facism, in my opinion antifa is the current “establishment” and being facist is an effort to move the status quo. Aka a movement.

    lolcatnip ,

    No it’s not. It has no members. It had no leaders. It’s just an idea. What do you think an organization is?

    pingveno ,

    A movement can have members and leaders even without formal organizational hierarchy. It just won’t look the same as something like a corporation, nonprofit, or government. The person who noticed that the Proud Boys were coming to town and rallied people to a counter-protest? Definitely a leader. The people who show up on a cold rainy Saturday instead of staying indoors with a warm cup of tea? Members. Just because membership and leadership is more amorphous doesn’t mean it isn’t there in some form.

    iso ,

    The person who noticed that the Proud Boys were coming to town and rallied people to a counter-protest? Definitely a leader

    Nahh you got that wrong. What usually happens is that a lot of people who are into politics (which left-extreme people often are) hear about this at the same time (through some press release, some proud boys twitter account who’s rallyin their followers, etc.).

    From that point the information spreads over friendsgroups, small discords, tweets, whatsapps, in person, slowly but steadily.

    Any left-extreme person who hears this immediately thinks “I’m mad, I wanna show those guys that they’re not welcome”. Granted, some of us think about much more extreme things, but back to the point. The first reaction from that thought is often “is there a counter protest?”. People are then doing the same thing but the other way around, as now everyone is trying to find some tweet, event, whatsapp message screenshot, whatever, of someone saying where the meeting point for an event would be. If none are found, someones gonna create something, which is usuqlly someone who’s got a lot of connections with other left-extremists. Often there’s multiple people creating the same counterprotest, which gets super messy at times, but somehow everyone manages to meet up in some general spot.

    Worst case you just have a bunch of friends groups going to the meeting spot of wherever the initial event is happening.

    That’s “the antifa”. A massive network of friends and friends of friends of friends who are all pretty aligned in their political views (which is “fuck Nazis”) but who often don’t know more then 5 other antifacists.

    pingveno ,

    Often there’s multiple people creating the same counterprotest, which gets super messy at times, but somehow everyone manages to meet up in some general spot.

    This is kind of my point, in a way. It was maybe simplistic to use one person. There is leadership, but there are many leaders, and they don’t have a badge with “Antifa CEO”. Though someone really needs to make stickers with “Antifa CEO”. One of my former managers came from activist circles like antifa. She will always be my favorite manager because she is so great at making sure even shy people feel heard.

    RizzRustbolt ,

    The NAACP?

    NostraDavid ,
    @NostraDavid@programming.dev avatar

    People are just nitpicking the meaning of the word Organization. Antifa is an organization in a very loose definition of the word. If you want to be more accurate, you’d call it a Network. Organizations (in the stricter sense) has a single leader and has a very tree-like structure with more power on top (like Corporations!), which Antifa obviously is not.

    Though you’re correct in that Antifa is a “movement”.

    HardNut ,

    I find this comment thread horribly ironic, and I hope I can show you why without starting an argument because this is genuinely kind of funny.

    Fascism is when a state achieves (or attempts to achieve) totalitarianism through corporatization. All corporations are chartered and controlled through the state, and private industry becomes corporatized.

    One of the ways they did this was through legitimizing specific channels of distribution, and labeling all who take a more independent route as illegitimate. Farmers, for example, were coerced into selling their products to state distributors, and pressured out of independent channels. Likewise, farmers who weren’t part of the state organization were often treated with suspicion and derision.

    Basically, if you were a _____ and did _____ things, but were not part of the _____ organization, then you weren’t a real ______ no matter how good you are at _____.

    Anyway, antifa is a real thing that exists, and that’s the thing people here are talking about. They’re a group that has identifiable goals, and they work together under the label. It’s really funny to me that so many here are appealing to “they’re not even a real org” in the face of dissent, because that’s one of the most fascist mind sets that exist commonplace today.

    jayrhacker ,
    @jayrhacker@kbin.social avatar

    There is a huge overlap between people who would participate in Antifa and Anarchists, so you can imagine the problems getting a structured organization setup and keeping on task and purpose.

    HardNut ,

    I’m sure that’s part of it. Antifa is definitely not well structured, and anarchists could probably be opposed to any official organization.

    Let me put it this way, the post talks about a journalist who investigates antifa, which the op of this comment chain mocked because they’re not an organization. But, this is an argument of semantics, and the post didn’t use that word to begin with. Regardless of what you call antifa, he’s trying to investigate and see what they’re about.

    It’s a very dishonest way to deride people. If you don’t mind me asking, if you don’t think the word organization is appropriate, what’s better? I mean I just say group, can’t really be wrong going that general but it also doesn’t say much. Like, when you said “people who participate in Antifa…”, what type of thing are those people participating in?

    TheSanSabaSongbird ,

    It’s more of a cause or a movement than an organization. I guess I don’t know why that should be difficult to understand.

    HardNut ,

    I think you missed the point.

    Narauko ,

    Organizations do not necessarily require structure, association is a synonym for a reason. Decentralized organizations and associations are a thing. Decentralized workers solidarity movements and co-op/community strengthening initiatives can be/are “organizing” even if no one is in charge. You don’t need to be a member of a union or an official neighborhood association to be part of an organization, there just needs to be general or vague common intention among a group and something of a shared identity. You might not get as much done a fast when not structurally organized, but you also don’t not exist if your not a card carrying member. I don’t understand the desire to divorce Antifa from being an organization or even existing. It’s like saying that the Deadheads aren’t a real thing because no one was directing the vast majority of fans who packed up and followed the band across the country.

    TheSanSabaSongbird ,

    Oh so now you are arguing that deadheads were an organization too? Really? In what universe?

    Narauko ,

    I haven’t argued anything before that post, but this conversation about the semantics of the word organization means is interesting to me. To answer your question, I’d say Yes? Deadheads were a group of people associating with each other under common interest and intent. They didn’t particularly have leaders or any hierarchical structure, but they gathered in locations of common interest (concert venues and the surrounding local) based solely on individual discussion and desire, participated in the event alongside and with the group, and almost everyone participating identified as a deadhead. I really don’t understand the problem with them falling under the edge of the umbrella of the term organization.

    They were an organization when viewed as an association or society: in this case a voluntary association of individuals for common ends. Deadheads were a distinct subculture in and of themselves, and I don’t understand in what universe that wouldn’t qualify. Keeping with the musician fandom, I’d say the same for the Juggalo’s. Being on the outer edge of the Venn diagram is still part of the whole picture.

    captainlezbian , in I just don't pay enough attention to politics .

    See those jackasses with swastikas, they hate you. They’re the furthest right. See the people with hammers and sickles or black flags and maltovs? They hate each other almost as much as they hate the rich. They’re the furthest left.

    In reality the right wing wants lower taxes, more police, more military, less corporate legislation, and to regulate your sexual and medical decisions every moral panic. They also tend to vote how their preacher tells them.

    The left wing wants to regulate businesses, fund public works and social services, try to create a more equal society (the right wants hierarchy), and generally supports freedom except when used for bigotry. We also like unions. The further left you go the more you like unions.

    Obligatory Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.”

    frightful_hobgoblin ,

    nah

    denshirenji , (edited )
    @denshirenji@lemmy.world avatar

    What if I want no taxes for the lower class lower taxes for the middle class and small business but much higher taxes on the upper class and large corporations, a very strong military, less but stronger corporate regulation with more teeth, to fund public works and social services with the taxes we bring in, a free and equal society with no hierarchical systems or bigotry, freedom of speech and strong privacy laws with certain restrictions on speech (calls to violence, etc…), very strong unions, a near complete elimination of wall street, and a fair justice system that doesn’t target minorities as prey? Also, guns are fine for self defense in my opinion. Which side do I fall on?

    Edit: So if you will read my posts below I talk about how going against groupthink just makes you enemies of the group. Then the group started down voting me down below. I’m really not worried about fake internet points. I just want to make sure that everyone that downvoted me is well aware that my point is well and truly proven. A difference of opinion is not welcome. Even, and especially, if that opinion is, “Stop letting the group think for you. Examine each issue as a separate issue and make fair and reasoned decisions.

    cazsiel ,

    Pretty leftist my dude. Embrace it

    DrJenkem ,
    @DrJenkem@lemmy.blugatch.tube avatar

    What if I want no taxes for the lower class lower taxes for the middle class and small business but much higher taxes on the upper class and large corporations

    Left.

    a very strong military

    Typically right, but plenty of examples of marxist-leninist states with strong militaries, such as the USSR or China. And on the less authoritarian side you have the YPG in rojava who was very effective at fighting the Islamic state.

    but stronger corporate regulation with more teeth

    This one’s a little confusing, would probably need more clarification.

    to fund public works and social services with the taxes we bring in

    Left.

    a free and equal society with no hierarchical systems or bigotry, freedom of speech and strong privacy laws with certain restrictions on speech (calls to violence, etc…), very strong unions, a near complete elimination of wall street, and a fair justice system that doesn’t target minorities as prey?

    Left-libertarian/anarchist.

    Also, guns are fine for self defense in my opinion.

    At least in America, the guns issue is typically viewed as a left vs. right issue, but there’s plenty of folks on the far left that are in favor of guns (socialist rifle association, redneck revolt, John Brown gun club, etc).

    Karl Marx even has an often cited quote on guns:

    Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary

    Which side do I fall on?

    Pretty much left. You’re certainly left of the American Democrats. Pretty much the only thing stopping you from being a full on leftist is you don’t seem to be opposed to capitalism itself. Therefore, I’d say most of your positions sound like they fall under social democracy.

    denshirenji ,
    @denshirenji@lemmy.world avatar

    Classifications like those just feel kind of arbitrary. Like I get associating with like minded people, but my point was that trying to classify everything in these neat little bottles don’t work. You can make enemies if you don’t check all the opinion boxes no matter where you turn.

    For example, I would agree with your military assessment as being left, except that military is never something that should be utilized domestically, unless as a very last resort facing an armed rebellion. Otherwise, its for defense and on the rare occasion offense, but should remain strong, very strong. I would much more readily agree with my conservative acquaintances on this issue and have in the number of conversations I have had as an older fellow.

    And I’m not an economist nor a lawyer so any thing that I could really offer as far as corporate regulation would be very general things like, “monopolies bad”. So it would be difficult for me to really collate some kind of list of laws I think we should have, which speaks to the point that most people aren’t experts and just pretend to know the inner workings of systems they have no training in.

    I would agree that I fall left of center, but only because it averages out that way. I have some very “conservative” opinions that are dwarfed by the “progressive” opinions that I have. Like, you cant take a bunch of opinions someone has and go, “You are just like those guys!” That will inevitably be proven wrong.

    Regardless, I appreciate your response.

    Feathercrown ,

    Classifying you as a leftist doesn’t mean that you have to agree with other leftists on everything, or that you aren’t allowed to have a few opinions that are right-wing too. It just means that your opinions tend to fall on the left side of the spectrum.

    In other words, people aren’t left wing because they identify as left and then that determines their opinions. They’re left wing because, regardless of how they came to their conclusions on what their opinions should be, those opinions are on the left.

    denshirenji ,
    @denshirenji@lemmy.world avatar

    I appreciate your and and your opinion. I feel that it is important that I stress that anything that I type is not meant as an attack and is merely discussion. I love discussion it brings me a greater understanding everytime I am invited to participate. To the point, what you said in your post is something that I find to be untrue and is the point of what I am trying to say.

    Firstly, no matter where you go people vote you off the island if you disagree with group think. I have seen it happen a number of times. There are specific issues that will get you ousted much more quickly to be true, but those issues aren’t necessarily core tenets of whatever the group philosophy is.

    Secondly, as long as I have been alive I have found people who due to groupthink will always take the group’s ideas as a point of fact, creating the situations I am talking about. I am trying to say that the way that we do politics, separating things into large groups creates more harm than good.

    I am not left because my ideas are left wing. I am left wing because you tell me I’m left wing. Then I identify as such, then connect with like minded people. Then group think takes hold and an equilibrium is reached wherein each idea is given a value.

    Those in the group that disagree on principle risk being removed from the group or having to stay silent while often harmful ideas are espoused. Because at least our group isn’t that other one.

    This last point is the danger, because, suppose it is true that the group we are discussing is truly better than their opponents. That doesn’t then give them immunity from making incorrect choices and espousing dangerous and harmful ideas and tactics. Those arguing for and enacting those can just say, “At least we aren’t those guys. They are evil!!” And then commit atrocities in the name of goodness. Because, “Hey, at least we aren’t those people.”

    akariii ,

    Classifying you as a leftist doesn’t mean that you have to agree with other leftists

    so… like every other leftist out there?

    Feathercrown ,

    Lmao yup

    Potatos_are_not_friends ,
    denshirenji ,
    @denshirenji@lemmy.world avatar

    It really is a bit more nuanced than that.

    AVincentInSpace ,

    Say more about that

    Facebones ,

    It’s depressing how many people would be more leftist if America didn’t systemically demonize anything left of mid-right. Instead people feel various ways that Would push them further left (such as pro choice in this image) and instead come up with these logical loops then keep voting Republican because that’s just how they vote.

    Zoboomafoo ,

    Liberal, but you’d have to give up on guns or find some pro-gun liberals to hang out with.

    Cowbee ,
    @Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

    Eh, liberals tend to not support Unions that much, that’s closer to leftist. Leftists also generally support gun ownership, at least for the Workers.

    cristo ,

    Leftists support gun ownership for the “right” workers. Not all workers because some may disagree with them

    Cowbee ,
    @Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

    Really? According to who?

    Cowbee ,
    @Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

    Almost left wing, could be completely left wing depending on how strong you want unions to be, ie do you still want Capitalism or are you full-on syndicalist.

    captainlezbian ,

    I think you may want to look into syndicalism actually.

    hperrin ,

    The left generally wants lower taxes too, just for different people. The left thinks the poorest should pay no taxes, while the right thinks the richest should pay no taxes. (Obviously I’m being hyperbolic, but that’s generally how it plays out.)

    hOrni ,

    Is it even possible to describe the left end the right and not make it sound like the right are the bad guys?

    retrieval4558 ,

    Not if you’re trying to be honest

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