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200ok , in So sad

They probably know they’re in the running

Neato ,
@Neato@ttrpg.network avatar

Yeah. If you’re in the top 10, you definitely have a suspicion.

Aradina ,

If someone is eating that much mayo it’d have to be daily, and I think if someone eats mayo daily they’d know they’re eating a lot

bitchkat ,

I love mayo on sandwiches but I rarely finish a jar until a few years past it’s best by date.

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

I love it when mayo gets a little funky with a blue wispy fuzz.

theneverfox ,
@theneverfox@pawb.social avatar

Follow up question - is this absolute mayo consumption, or does it scale with food intake?

Because I bet there’s definitely people out there who eat mayo like pudding for lunch and they would think they’re on the short list

But I could see there being someone out there who regularly kills multiple jars of mayo in a sitting by knocking out a huge bowl of chips and dip, but doesn’t consciously recognize their alarming daily mayo intake

I could see the #1 being in either group… Some people have a disturbing relationship with condiments, but some people eat terrifying amounts of unhealthy food, and I’ve seen someone kill a tub of potato salad as a mid interview snack (it was some documentary about people who can no longer fit through their doorways)

danc4498 ,

My gut tells me that top 10 list changes daily. 💀💀💀

Ghostalmedia , in Stuck
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar
TimeNaan ,

Guy looks exactly as I would’ve imagined him.

Schmuppes ,

Needs more tattoos to be a proper Pauly D.

Buddahriffic ,

I can hear him saying, “of course it will be fine” with a tone that implies questioning the fineness was the stupidest thing he’s ever heard, because he thinks projecting confidence works for anything just like it works for tricking people that he knows things he really doesn’t.

And then there’s a good chance he acts like there was no way anyone could see the result coming once it’s clear that it isn’t, in fact, fine.

EdibleFriend ,
@EdibleFriend@lemmy.world avatar

You can just tell that dumb motherfucker is trying to explain what actually went wrong

LesDeuxBonsYeux ,

How American do you need to be to drive directly on the beach

ShakeThatYam ,
@ShakeThatYam@lemmy.world avatar

Tbf, there are American beaches known for being drivable. Specifically, Daytona Beach.

sukhmel ,

Maybe it’s not a good idea to drive even on a drivable beach?

ShakeThatYam ,
@ShakeThatYam@lemmy.world avatar

It’s kind of their whole thing though. It’s how NASCAR got started. Without it, it would kill a large part of their tourism.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

That photo is somewhat disappointing due the the lack of a douchebag vanity plate.

SuddenDownpour , in It was in self-defence 🙃

BRB, on my way to withdraw all funding for an UN agency with 30.000 employees because 12 of them have been denounced by Israel.

groupofcrows ,

Have they provided any proof yet?

fastandcurious ,
@fastandcurious@lemmy.world avatar

They don’t need to provide any proof

theintercept.com/…/gaza-israel-netanyahu-propagan…

Toldry ,
@Toldry@lemmy.world avatar

The evidence provided by Israel alleging that roughly a dozen UNRWA staffers participated in Hamas’s October 7 terror onslaught is “highly credible,” US Secretary of State Antony Blinken said Monday, as media outlets published additional details on the implicated employees, including photos from an Israeli dossier. “We haven’t had the ability to investigate [the allegations] ourselves. But they are highly, highly credible,” Blinken said during a press conference

timesofisrael.com/blinken-says-evidence-of-unrwa-…

tryptaminev ,

Until the information is verified by neutral third parties, this gives me some WMDs in Iraq vibes.

Both Israel and the US have a history of lying to justify war crimes and crimes against humanity.

AutistoMephisto ,
@AutistoMephisto@lemmy.world avatar

I used to have faith that bad people will eventually pay for their crimes. That the weight of their sins will crush them eventually. But these past decades have taught me that the new response to crushing weight of sin is to simply get a stronger spine.

Maggoty ,

Otoh, Blinken and Biden have parroted everything the IDF feeds them until independent journalists debunk it.

So we’ve cut funding without conducting any investigation. Great.

sirboozebum ,

Remember the beheaded babies?

sirboozebum ,

“We haven’t had the ability to investigate [the allegations] ourselves. But they are highly, highly credible,” Blinken said during a press conference

This sounds like something The Onion would have written.

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

The israeli “evidence” has been leaked and confirmed fake

But journalists from Sky News reviewed the so-called dossier and reported “The Israeli intelligence documents make several claims that Sky News has not seen proof of and many of the claims, even if true, do not directly implicate UNRWA.”

Britain’s Channel 4 also obtained the document and determined it “provides no evidence to support its explosive new claim that UNRWA staff were involved with terror attacks on Israel.” The Financial Times, which also reviewed the materials, reported there were specific allegations of direct participation in the October 7 attacks against four Palestinians employed by UNRWA, not 12 as originally asserted.

This was a transparent attempt by Israel to distract from the rulings in the ICJ genocide case and to obliterate a U.N. agency that Israel has long viewed as an impediment to its goal of denying Palestinians the right to return to the homes and territory from which Israel expelled them

capital ,

The israeli “evidence” has been leaked and confirmed fake

Are the quotes you provided supposed to support the “confirmed fake” part of your comment?

Because “has not seen proof” and “provides no evidence” do not equate to “confirmed fake”.

The number of very online people who think countries share their intelligence with every Channel 4 news who asks is a little surprising.

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

No the evidence is fake. Evidence means that you can proof something happened which israel clearly can’t.

capital ,

That’s bold considering all the things people on this site were so sure about only to be proven wrong weeks later.

For me, I’ll wait for the investigation to finish.

Linkerbaan , (edited )
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

The “evidence” was already leaked and contained no proof whatsoever. Waiting must be convenient. Are we going to see the Hamas base under the hospital soon?

And it turned out israel lied almost every single time about almost everything.

Let’s not forget

But there is a problem with the gut-wrenching narratives that have bolstered the underlying justification for the slaughter of Gaza: They are either complete fabrications or have not been substantiated with a shred of evidence. Many have been thoroughly disproven by major Israeli media outlets.

capital ,

Hamas had command tunnel under U.N. Gaza headquarters, Israeli military says

Reporters on the closely escorted trip entered a shaft next to a school on the periphery of the U.N. compound, descending to the concrete-lined tunnel. Twenty minutes of walking through the stifling hot, narrow and occasionally winding passage brought them underneath UNRWA Headquarters, an army lieutenant-colonel leading the tour said.

So, yeah. I think I’ll wait for the investigation to conclude.

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

No need there is proof the IDF lies about all tunnels and where they go.

youtu.be/34CxzZtVxnE?t=3m18s

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/834ac185-dab2-4dec-97b0-5cdd8b0d503f.jpeg

capital ,

I guess we’ll ignore the fact that the story I linked has journalists being walked through one. Y’know, everything CNN was asking for there and more.

Linkerbaan , (edited )
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

If you watch the video I linked, which you didn’t, they told CNN that they walked underneath the graveyard which was a proven lie.

The IDF lies. If they can’t even show their evidence on video after securing the area it’s extremely obvious there was zero truth to their claim.

Vej , in Why do it

I’ve seen too many memes as of late. I really thought this would have been Saddam Hussein without reading this first.

vaultdweller013 ,

https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/8141ef4a-2948-4c91-a79b-e44aa8d6d7d8.webp

Heres one to add to your collection. Its a bit old but still kinda amusing.

DigitalTraveler42 , in Reality for thee, not for me

Indictments don’t count for shit without guilty verdicts and seeing the orange asshole behind bars, and I’m not even a doomer about this, I believe it’ll happen, but claiming victory before winning is always folly, just ask Trump.

MermaidsGarden ,
@MermaidsGarden@lemmy.world avatar

Not that I disagree but it’s hilarious to see the contortions about how the indictments are no big deal from the “ZoMG Killary’s gonna get indicted any day now” crowd.

DigitalTraveler42 ,

Hilarious definitely, but not surprising in the least, they’re just a bunch of fascist hypocrites.

MossyFeathers ,

I’m not sure you understand what a doomer is. Doomers (as a meme) are people who are incredibly cynical and jaded; who believe that we as a species are fucked, and any attempt to stop it is like an antelope thrashing in the mouth of a lion. This idea isn’t inherently right-wing or left-wing, nor is it specific to any particular country (though it’s probably more common in the left-wing western anglo-sphere). It’s the idea that while it technically might not be too late to reverse course and solve things like wealth inequality, climate change, police brutality, fascism, etc; the fact that the people who benefit from these things are also the ones in power means it’ll never happen. It’ll always be 90% words, 10% action until it truly is too late; at which point they’ll declare that they tried as hard as they could and there’s nothing else to be done.

The people you’re describing aren’t actually doomers, they’re just concern trolls.

KIM_JONG_JUICEBOX ,
@KIM_JONG_JUICEBOX@lemmy.ml avatar

Doomers and concern trolls.

Lost_My_Mind , in Twitter

Hey, good news, Elon. Most of us have gone from calling it “twitter” to calling it “that facist shithole that used to be twitter”.

Good job wasting 43 BILLION dollars only to see it’s traffic literally cut in half, you micro-penised shitstain on society. You will not be remembered as the genius your group of ass kissers tell you you are. You’ll be remembered as being dumber than a one brain celled orange tabby.

Hobbes_Dent ,

And it’s now less than one year salary because greed.

Lost_My_Mind ,

…who’s salary? I don’t make anywhere close to 43 billion a year. What job do YOU have???

ceenote ,

You’re being optimistic. He won’t be remembered at all.

Moob ,

All the biggest disasters are remembered.

Yurgenst ,

That’s giving him too much credit, orange cats are just dumb not evil. He sucks the life of of people, encourages the spread of disease and death. He’s a mosquito. Just an annoying, insignificant bug that will only be remembered for the discomfort he caused.

uis ,

I thought we always called it “radical shithole”. Not much changed. It’s just SJWs making indie gamedevs suicide were replaced with Christians making everyone else suicide.

HawlSera ,

God I hate the pedo hunts, like yeah even if they find real freaks… The fact that so many who weren’t guilty had their lives ruined and in some cases ended over bullshit accusations is offensive, especially since evidence collected in an illicit manner is not admissible in court. Prosecutors call it “Fruit from the Forbidden Tree”

uis , (edited )

25 years (=2012-1987) is not pedo, but I get what you are saying.

Or you mean what Christians do? Anyway, both are doing it, nothing changed.

Lucidlethargy ,

Nag, I just call it shitter when I’m bored of “Twitter”.

morgunkorn , in The art critic
@morgunkorn@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

That’s no Chad behavior though, this one would be more adequate:

https://discuss.tchncs.de/pictrs/image/730615d5-88f1-4d70-94e4-8946442ae902.png

FoxyGrandpa ,

Theres nothing “based” about repudiating an artists abilities

ricdeh ,
@ricdeh@lemmy.world avatar

You need to be less butthurt or leave the shitpost community.

renzev ,

FoxyGrandpa when they see a shitpost in a shitpost community

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/2fd1a999-bbf1-4c59-a67e-be4a4ba93a5b.png

DragonTypeWyvern ,

Ok, but no one used the word until you

cheddar ,
@cheddar@programming.dev avatar

Trollface != based.

JackbyDev ,

It’s called sarcasm.

Lemvi , in Ah, Yes! AI Will Surely Save Us All!

Technological progress reduces the amount of work required to perform certain tasks. In any just system, this would improve the lives of the general population, either by reducing the amount of work required to make a living, or by increasing the amount and range of products and services.

If technological progress does not do that, and instead makes the rich richer and the poor poorer, the problem isn’t technological progress, but the system in which it is applied.

So what I’m saying is this: AI isn’t the problem. AI replacing employees isn’t the problem. The problem is that with a class divide into investors and workers, the ones profiting the most from technological progress are the investors.

Jumuta ,

Technological progress shouldn’t reduce the amount of work required to do tasks. It should reduce the amount of people that have to do work they don’t enjoy, or increase the quality of living overall by reducing the cost of certain tasks/items.

For example, it shouldn’t try to make redundant the work of artists that enjoy making art, or hobbyists that enjoy writing code. If there is too much demand for these services, then technology can be used to compensate for the part that these work enjoying people can’t provide, but technology shouldn’t make their work redundant.

Johanno ,

It isn’t replacing artists. It’s a tool that makes it easier for everyone.

Meaning the competition increases and prices drop.

DmMacniel ,

Sure AI doesn’t replace artist. But corps replace artists with AI.

Johanno ,

Well cooperations usually just pay enough that the job gets done.

Meaning before we had underpaid artists that did it because they love their work and accepted inhumane wages and now they are replaced by even cheaper AI.

Paradachshund ,

That’s still worse.

Kedly ,

You’re raging against the symptom instead of the cause is what we’re getting at

Paradachshund ,

I don’t disagree with your take, but I also think it’s extremely naive to think that that bigger issue is as easy to tackle as the “symptoms” as you call them. You’re basically saying “don’t get mad that bad things are happening to you, all we need to do is completely rebuild a societal power structure against the will of those in power”. I admire your goals, but dismissing smaller scale issues because you’d like to focus solely on the biggest issue is at best naive, and at worst risks ignoring real people’s suffering for the sake of perfection.

Kedly ,

I’m more coming at it as “ALL of our jobs are getting the axe soon, even if you were successful at banning AI, which would also ban the uses that are helping people, its equivalent to nailing a board over a crack in in a mega dam.” Or, worded differently: The status quo is whats taking peoples jobs, you aren’t going to fix this by trying to get back to it.

Edit: We NEED UBI in order to not have a fuckload of homeless people in the next decade

Paradachshund ,

I totally agree with you on this. I actually don’t hate AI in all forms, but right now it’s being used for a lot of crap and not very much good as far as I can see. I hope people will find ways to use it to help not hurt.

Kedly ,

I mean, its not a massive benefit to society, but AI gens have given me access to far more creative freedom than any tool previous, and I have ESL co-workers who said that Chat GPT helped them practice their conversation skills in English. Yeah corporate use of AI is disgusting, but corporate use of most tech is

Johanno ,

Yes and no.

In a civilized country you could still engage with your hobbies and/or passion while working for a minimum wage.

But yes it is worse that those who loved their job now are working for free or not at all.

And even in Europe the conditions are worsening. The gap between rich and poor is increasing until the rich own everything.

Paradachshund ,

Sorry to hear it’s also getting worse over there. I live in the US, so you can imagine this stuff hits a little closer to home over here with how crap our consumer and worker protections laws are at this point. I’m rooting for you guys because you seem to have at least some sane people in power still!

LainTrain ,

Cringe take. Should we abolish computers too because they made making music way easier? Make each type beat guy hire an orchestra of his own, craft his own instruments? Lol this is lemmy.world alright.

Jumuta , (edited )

no, that’s fine because that is compensating for demand that can’t be supplied for by people that enjoy what they’re doing

LainTrain ,

So duh? Art school is something I can’t do, neither in terms of money nor time, there is no one to help me, teach me and there is no way for me to learn economically, and the few meme making chops I got in PS just don’t cut it alone, so why not have a tool that helps out?

Especially when it’s in the public library form that imagegen AI like SD is, open weight, open source, locally run, libre and free as in free beer with tons of additional apps built by volunteers like Automatic1111.

Jumuta ,

I don’t get what you’re saying. I just said I support tools that help you out?

LainTrain ,

You said “technological progress shouldn’t reduce the amount of work required”.

Jumuta ,

If there is too much demand for these services, then technology can be used to compensate for the part that these work enjoying people can’t provide, but technology shouldn’t make their work redundant.

LainTrain ,

I mean, that’s an interesting thought but surely you realize the two are actually the same? If the work wasn’t redundant it would still pay. I’m not really sure I understand

Jumuta ,

You’re not trying to understand my argument.

LainTrain ,

I am, and it seems I’m not the only one confused.

Allero ,

And this tracks with AI itself too, and the tendency to close source the models.

This, right here, is the actual issue with current AIs. Corporate power over things we increasingly need in our everyday life, censorship rules instated by unelected people up above, ability to shut model down for those who don’t pay, etc.

The technology itself is great! Now make it work in the public interest and don’t even try to say “AI is dangerous, so we would surely take proper care of it by closing it off from everyone and doing our shenanigans”. Nope.

Daxtron2 ,

Thank you, I’ve been trying to get this point across for months

intensely_human ,

I mean, for $20 a month I now am part of the “investor” class. I get to have my little AI minion do work for me, and I totally reap the rewards.

$20/month is a very low barrier to entry into the bourgeoisie, so I’m not too worried about capitalism being incapable of spreading the good around to everybody.

The thing I am worried about is the ultra heavy regulation — the same sort of thing that makes it illegal to make quesadillas on a hot plate and sell them on the sidewalk, which even a homeless person could do if it weren’t illegal.

There is far too much regulation (always in the name of safety of course, of course) restricting people from being entrepreneurs. That regulation forces everyone to have some minimum amount of capital before they can start their own business, and that amount of capital is enormous.

I worry that our market is not free enough to enable everyone to benefit from AI. The ladder of success has had the bottom rungs removed, forcing us to suck of either a government or corporate tit like babies — protected, but powerless, and without dignity.

Donebrach ,
@Donebrach@lemmy.world avatar

I think you’ve supped far too much on street quesadilla.

jkrtn ,

“There is far too much regulation,” yeah, food safety is truly holding society back. What a utopia we would have if we could all be eating sidewalk hot plate quesadillas from a hobo with no refrigeration or sanitization tools.

sudo42 ,

Are you saying societal asymmetry is a social problem, not a technical one?

Lemvi ,

yup

gibmiser , in Germans: what genocide?
wesker , (edited ) in Derps of Tiktok
@wesker@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Reminds me of that post where they were in awe of (I believe it was) Ozzy Osbourne, and hoped someone signed him.

EDIT: It was when Post Malone featured Ozzy on a track.

https://lemmy.sdf.org/pictrs/image/87e26c27-db80-4591-ae5f-7f7f1c23e7fe.png

acockworkorange ,

I get that Google is shit, but c’mon…

MxM111 ,

Who is Google?

tacosanonymous ,

I think he did a song with Travis Scott.

GregorGizeh ,

Social media was a mistake

Semi-Hemi-Demigod ,
@Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social avatar

People have forgotten that the Internet is a repository of information, not just a broadcast medium.

SpaceNoodle ,

Not any more it ain’t

rwhitisissle ,

I’m waiting for the day Jimmy Wales gets fed up and sells Wikipedia to Amazon and every page has an Amazon link to “great products matching your interests.” Can we have internet 2.0 now? One without companies and just all the weird people from the first internet who made shitty webcomics and shared waaaaaay too much about their personal lives.

abbadon420 ,

Seems like you’re going to the wrong places then

ininewcrow ,
@ininewcrow@lemmy.ca avatar

Now it feels more like a suppository

CaptainSpaceman ,

When I search for information, im just given Amazon and Temu results on how to buy useless shit

Where did all the information search engines go? Im tired of ecommerce search engines

MxM111 ,

They say on social media...

GregorGizeh ,

This barely qualifies. Lemmy is essentially a link aggregator with a comment section

krashmo , (edited )

Anytime it gets mentioned there’s always some neckbeard who defines anything on the internet as social media making that exact comment too. “Lemmy is social media hehehe” as if there’s no difference between this and and FB.

MxM111 ,

Just because it is different from Facebook, it does not make it non-social.

Cryophilia ,

Please just stop.

MxM111 ,

Never! It is my crusade to call Lemmy a social media!

TheFriar ,

But the point is, almost every page on the internet has a social aspect now. It’s all about engagement. Is NYT social media? They have arguments in the comment section under every article. Is healthline social media?

MxM111 ,

Good points. I would say those are examples of webpages with social media elements. I guess it is about focus of the website. NYT focus is news. Lemmy? Interaction between users. At least for me. I just can’t call lemmy a news aggregator.

TheFriar , (edited )

I see what you’re saying, but the term “social media” applying to just a section of a website doesn’t make sense—to me. Call it whatever you want!

I, someone who was the perfect age for every iteration of what I might call “first gen” social media (MySpace/xanga/live journal in middle school, Facebook in the middle/end of my high school career into college, Instagram in college and while I traveled), only see “social media” as personalized connection sites. Sites where you are exactly who you are, connecting with others, saying exactly who they are—basically creating a “social media self.”

THAT is social media to me. But these all pose interesting questions: is a blog social media? During xanga/live journal days, it was considered social media. Are dating sites social media? Is Chatroulette? Is Facebook messenger? If that is, is telegram?

If a site where you anonymously talk to other anonymous people on the internet is social media, I stand by what I said, everything would be “social media” these days. YouTube. Is that social media? It’s all messy, I grant you, but that’s why draw the lines where I do.

Your criteria seems different. But I, as a millennial that grew up with it, I see it as a persona-first platform where people sell themselves. Lemmy is interesting because they’re technically different sites/servers about specific things, linking with other sites/servers, where people discuss the topic of the community. The focus is the subject being discussed, not the subject speaking. Social media is subjective, I think that’s where I make the distinction.

MxM111 ,

Interesting. So, if a person is anonymous, then it is not social media in your mind?

beardown ,

Most NYT articles do not permit comments anymore.

TheFriar ,

My point remains. So many different outlets and sites have social elements.

MxM111 ,

And it has communities. Right?

GregorGizeh ,

Which are subscriptions to certain topics

Honytawk ,

Any media that allows you to be social is a social media.

Just because we use fake names doesn’t change much about it. We are all still discussing things like the social beings we are.

GregorGizeh ,

By that logic any comment section on a news site is social media. If any kind of interaction with other people while consuming some kind of content on the internet qualifies the term is meaningless

Danquebec ,

So an IRC chatroom is social media?

jelloeater85 ,
@jelloeater85@lemmy.world avatar

I’d say it’s a very pure form of social media. Like Mastodon.

captainlezbian ,

And if doing drugs has taught me anything pure and not psychologically affective are not synonymous, it just means you can properly dose and should be able to predict the effects.

felbane ,

🎶 where the Parthenon is 🎶

hemko ,

You better start believing in social medias, you’re in one

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/13ed8e80-ffc3-4452-ab18-e62a29685ef3.jpeg

youngalfred ,

Or when the same thing happened with Paul McCartney collaborating with Rhianna on ‘FourFive seconds’ - apparently Paul was a new up and comer!

oatscoop ,

I’m fairly certain these people are trolling.

shani66 ,

If they aren’t I’m supporting climate change

Klear ,

Entering the war on climate on the side of humans. Wait…

rickyrigatoni ,

Doesn’t matter. It’s guaranteed to make multiple people I know mildly upset so I’m gonna show it to them.

Klear ,

Yes. That’s what trolling means.

rickyrigatoni ,

I’m attacking you with my mind.

orphiebaby ,

I can’t not read that without drawing it out. Like,

“I’m attacking you with my miiiiiiiiiind”

Viking_Hippie ,

They did the same thing with PAUL MCCARTNEY when he did something with Kanye West, 😂

CoolMatt ,

Wait, it’s like this is some sort of joke or circle jerk because two people made the exact same “who tf is…” comment, just with different names.

Patches ,

Who tf is CoolMatt

CoolMatt ,

This is why I love Patches for shining light on unknown artists

fl42v ,

Probably so. I mean, even though the b®ands he played at aren’t what I personally listen to, I’ve often heard his name here and there.

Akasazh ,
@Akasazh@feddit.nl avatar

Tbh I wonder what happened pre Malone

wesker ,
@wesker@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Started hormalone therapy.

Viking_Hippie ,
macaroni1556 ,

This made my day

hemko , (edited )

Holy damn watched the live performance for “take what you want” for first time and first it’s a great song, but also I’m not sure I’ve ever seen happier person than Ozzy right there.

BmeBenji , in Liking an OS isn't a personality trait ❌

Liking an OS isn’t a personality trait, but evangelizing for Free and Open Source Software which generally has no budget for advertising is a noble cause.

Holyginz ,

Except when it’s every other comment. That’s just obsession.

Iapar ,

Is it the same Person every time though?

I mean if you come into a community which has a leaning it is just a natural consequence to get confronted with that leaning more then somewhere else, isn’t it?

Like going into a Bible circle and saying that every other comment is about god which borders on obsession. I mean yes maybe but it is not surprising.

Honytawk ,

Maybe the good people on Lemmy are already quite familiar with Free and Open Source Software though …

BmeBenji ,

I mean… you choose to read posts and comments here. You can choose to stop reading comments about Linux.

Honytawk ,

This isn’t on Linuxmemes, it is on shitposts.

So even if I wanted to block all Linux stuff, I would still get bombarded.

daltotron ,

The problem is that I don’t know whether or not it’s gonna be worthwhile until I read the comment, and by that point, it’s already too late, because I’ve already read it.

shoop ,

I was just gonna say … how the hell are you supposed to know the comment/post topic before you read it?

Lucidlethargy ,

Yes, yes we are. Most of us love Linux, but we’re not in love with Linux…

I really hope the fanboys can understand. We just… We don’t see it the way you do. Sorry.

danc4498 ,

Bro we get it

random9 , in For those thinking of going back to reddit. Gaze upon this comment section and reconsider.

I think the fewer number of people, compared to reddit, on Lemmy combined with the fact that it’s not nearly as well known, plays a huge advantage to the quality of the comments. Not that there aren’t people like that here either, but I feel like the more popular a platform, is, the more it gets filled, proportionally, with people trying to make witty, shitty, pointless remarks that are often clickkbaity and avoid actual discussion, all in the interest of just getting more imaginary points.

Also the process of “enshitification” (not a term I made up, look it up if you hadn’t heard of it) has already started taking place on reddit due to its popularity.

ULS ,

I’m part of the problem. 85.4% of my comments are shit posts only I think are funny.

Thicc_Jamez ,

It’s not just you. There are dozens of us.

ULS ,

This.

TropicalDingdong ,

This.

This.

kamenlady ,
@kamenlady@lemmy.world avatar

I’m using this in my everyday life now

random9 ,

lol @ the exact percent

But no, I don’t think shitposts by themselves are actually the problem. I think the problem is when when there’s so many people dedicated to making shitposts that serious communities with serious discussions start getting overwhelmed with shitposts, and when there’s so many people who are only interested in shitposts that they upvote those shitposts to the top, often downvoting anyone who might offer a contrarian non-funny opinion.

or IDK, I’m mostly speculating based on personal experience.

morrowind ,
@morrowind@lemmy.ml avatar

Yeah I love a good shitpost, but many redditors seem to have no sense of maturity about when to be serious vs silly. It would drive me insane to see like some news about a suicide bombing in Pakistan or something, and the only comment is some guy trying to make a pun.

Beefytootz ,

I think the problem is that reddit is suffering the same fate as Facebook. It’s no longer a niche Internet community, it’s been overrun by people who think it’s hip and in. It’s been taken over by people who speak some of the language, but don’t get the culture. No one knows when the narwhal baconed anymore. Lemmy is exhibiting the earlier stages of reddit. Small groups that are growing, plus a looooot of star trek fans sprinkled throughout.

Ilovethebomb ,

Are there people who think Facebook is hip?

zurohki ,

With its ageing user base, I’d say that it’s more like Facebook needs a hip replacement.

ThirdWorldOrder ,

Back when MySpace was a thing and you had to have a college email to register for Facebook

wizardbeard ,

No one knows when the narwhal baconed anymore

I just gagged. I get that it’s a big cultural touchstone of old reddit but I’m sorry, if a community could ever think that was midnightsomething anyone could say out in the real world to try and find other members without sounding like they’d been dropped on the head as a child, then there’s serious arguments that it was already past the point of no return.

No worries. I’ll just be over here with the real cool kids from old 4chan. Hiding our power levels, laughing at m00t wanting to be the little girl, and calling everyone [blank]f#gs. That was totally more respectable behavior by a community of well adjusted individuals.

Hell, even the whole 4chan v Reddit “rivalry” sort of shit is ancient history now.

No psuedonymous or anonymous public discussion space needs some specific “calling card” meme. Just let it be what it is.


Anyway, I believe what you’re describing was coined as “eternal summer” many many years ago.

Back in the earlier years of 4chan, in the summer time the site used to get flooded with a bunch of obviously new users who clearly had no familiarity with the how the existing community worked, in amounts that would often drown out discussions that would have thrived without the newcomers.

You could often trace significant downward trends in “quality” of a community to those mass influxes of new users every summer, usually assumed to be underaged children having nothing better to do with summer break.

At the time, 4chan was still insular enough (not the least due to the sheer vileness of the most popular boards) that any new users who stuck around after the summer would normally adapt to fit with the existing community when the rest of the new users from the summer left.

Eventually though, 4chan got large enough to start getting in the news more and more. Anonymous hackers were doing more shit drawing attention too. They took on fucking scientology. At some point, there was enough of a constant influx of new users who were either unable or unwilling to adapt to the existing community that the existing community started dissolving rapidly.

At that point, “summer” never ends. If you try to enforce previous “standards” then you’re fighting a neverending battle against hordes of people coming into what used to be “your space” where you knew how things worked, insisting that things work differently now (whether by repeated action or explicit statements). They’re coming in such numbers that you can’t out talk them. You can’t out pace their posting. You can’t “educate” them. Slowly everything just oozes into the same easily digestable sludge catering to the lowest common denominator of the constant influx of new users, who don’t give a singular shit about what worked to keep the space alive in the first place.

Welcome to Eternal Summer. Cut your addiction to the space, adapt to the new normal, or suffer forever. Makes for a lot of really really salty maladjusted shut-ins, and the same sort of exclusionary behavior that a lot of nerds had when shit like Halo 2 started making gaming more mainstream or Critical Role helped make D&D more popular.

There’s a lot to be gained from new blood in a previously insular community, but it often comes with a loss of identity. For 4chan, that wasn’t a huge loss, though I’d argue that the racism at least seemed more ironic in ancient times, to a stupid teenage me. Eventually, every community has a tipping point where “the old guard” can’t hold back the tide, and without sissyphean efforts what made the original community special will probably be lost. For better or worse.

Best not to get too attached to any emphemeral space or community, and learn to find new ones as you go along your life.

Seraphin ,
@Seraphin@pawb.social avatar

Anyway, I believe what you’re describing was coined as “eternal summer” many many years ago.

The same phenomenon was coined on Usenet many years before 4chan.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September

DarkDarkHouse ,
@DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Wake me up, when September ends

Beefytootz ,

I think you’re absolutely right about the eternal summer. A new demographic of users takes over. The tourists move in. The shame of it is that as noted, it’s an inevitability for any social media, it’s just a matter of time.

EldritchFeminity ,

The tourists move in.

…Internet gentrification?

daltotron ,

I was going to maybe correct and add a little bit to this recollection by linking a comment I’d made a while back on the subject, but since lemmy can’t seem to dig up the post, I guess I’ll just kinda summarize.

Sometime a while back, after moot sold off the site, and it got bought out by the japanese dude that runs 2chan (apparently it’s also funded by toy company “good smile”), the administrative staff kind of got slowly replaced by a bunch of white supremacists who will selective moderate to kind of create their idealized “free speech” shrouded platform. Mod logs from them got leaked some time ago as evidence of this. I think it’s probable that some of those guys are funded by political activist groups in order to do it full time, after 4chan kind of showed it’s hand earlier on with the level of efficacy they could achieve with internet hacktivism, but that might be reading too much into things.

I mean, obviously 4chan also needs a large level of moderation, contrary to what people might think. It’s historically had some problems keeping up servers, because there would sometimes be CP floating around on the platform at any given time, and whatever company you’re renting your servers from, probably doesn’t want that shit on their servers. You also need a good filter against extremely large amounts of botposts, or large amounts of corporate spam, as well, which is really the case with any internet community. You can’t really survive without some form of content moderation.

It was always kind of less about the new users, then, who can pretty easily be distinguished and mocked/ignored/moderated away (the latter approach is always better), and it’s always been more about astroturfing, and who controls the switchboard, who’s in the positions of power. “Eternal Summer” is only really a problem when that kind of outstrips the moderation of their ability to properly sift through posts and moderate, at which point, you kind of have some other problems that are more practical, related to scaling up your operation.

User based gatekeeping need not apply, because there’s not really much the users can actually do to stem the tide, despite how much users like to squabble over the correct usages and origins of slang terms, surface level distinguishing characteristics, and in-group purity tests. How much people like to bitch about “board culture” and shit like that.

Internet communities are a collage, or a kind of, bacterial culture, that ends up reflecting their moderator’s lowest possible standards and sensibilities, I think.

Edit: oh, I should’ve also mentioned, that in many cases, there’s a financial incentive to let new users flood in almost completely unmoderated, because, even if it lowers content quality, it would be better to have lower content quality, but a larger userbase, than do anything that might possibly upset the userbase and drive them away. Oftentimes I think also that high quality content is a demarcation of a userbase that is not easily monetized, compared to low quality content, but that obviously reaches a kind of critical tipping point when the content quality gets so shit that corporate power brokers start to take notice and demand more control.

EdibleFriend ,
@EdibleFriend@lemmy.world avatar

Hey, don’t be like that. I am sure a lot of people find your shitposts funny.

Not me. I looked.

Ilovethebomb ,

Not me. I looked

I actually had a chuckle at this one.

mp3 ,
@mp3@lemmy.ca avatar

At least there are dedicated spaces for that and most Lemmings are respecting that, if it doesn’t spill out too much to more serious communities then at least there isn’t too much noise to have a good discussion.

ininewcrow ,
@ininewcrow@lemmy.ca avatar

Good for you … the road to recovering from being a bot is to first admit it

Macaroni_ninja ,
@Macaroni_ninja@lemmy.world avatar

This should be a mug!

someguy3 ,

These have to be bots.

PP_BOY_ ,
@PP_BOY_@lemmy.world avatar

This. So. Much. This.

Kalkaline ,
@Kalkaline@leminal.space avatar

Yes! If I had money for goldz, I’d give it to you. Please accept this 🥈in it’s place.

Infynis ,
@Infynis@midwest.social avatar

Most of the people that would have made good comments on Reddit moved to Lemmy as well

NightAuthor ,

Reddits is end stage enshitification

FMT99 ,

And now they’re going to train AI on that dataset. The intellectual equivalent of a diet consisting of nothing but chicken nuggets.

cooltrainer_frank ,

I feel like you’re gonna be able to tell if an AI was overly trained on reddit data.

Hey Chat XYZ– write me a prompt for my essay about George Washington

“More WashingDeezNuts! Gottem.

Came here to say this.

Edit: wow thanks for the gold kind stranger”

Thatuserguy ,

Also the process of “enshitification” has already started taking place on reddit due to its popularity.

I started using reddit in 2011. Trust me when I say this isn’t a new trend. Reddit’s has been noticeably and actively getting shittier since at least 2015 as it continued to get more and more popular

Liz ,

Shitty changes Reddit made that I can name off the top of my head:

  • New Reddit
  • Reddit Live
  • Anything beyond Reddit gold (the concept of paying for Reddit gold was, by itself, not a terrible idea back when we thought Reddit was a decent company)
  • Instant chat feature, when DMs already existed
  • Pay for API
  • Fired their only popular employee, the AMA assistant

You could argue creating a comments section was also a dick move, but that was before my time and it’s fair to say Reddit never would have caught on without it.

They also populated the site with fake accounts in the early days to make it look more popular than it really was. I would be zero percent surprised to find out that they still had fake accounts floating around for purposes I don’t feel like speculating about.

Oh, and Spez edited people’s comments.

ThirdWorldOrder ,

Victoria was the one they fired aka /u/chooter

Paradachshund ,

I do hope that lemmy continues to grow into non-tech demographics. I’m somewhat into tech myself, but I also like a lot of other stuff and I miss that influence from reddit. Lemmy is VERY tech focused right now and we need some other voices in here.

Flumpkin ,

I think this is a huge problem with democracy as well. The larger a country, the worse democracy works. Any apparatus of power or wealth attracts parasites only interested in exploiting it. And the larger the lever, the more profit from manipulating it. And the larger the potential gain the more investment costs can you justify.

This isn’t necessarily an argument for “states rights” or federation though, with “divide and conquer” strategies you can copy and paste the same strategy to multiple instances. If there is monetary gain to be had, there will always be an unrelenting force trying to exploit it.

nevemsenki ,

Eh, am from a country with 9mil people, and this society simply doesn’t get democracy. So being smaller is hardly any indicator that democracy will work better.

Flumpkin ,

It’s certainly not a guarantee but I do think there is a “scalability problem” with democracy.

EldritchFeminity ,

There’s also a big issue of the sheer mass of comments in a post simply drowning out any chance of discussion because only the first few most upvoted ones will usually get seen, so people generally just respond to those to get any interaction on their comments. It’s why the frontpage stuff is always so much worse than smaller subs - because by the time people see it, there’s already 1,000+ comments there.

schmorpel , in Average website visit in 2024

Captcha buster is taking care of the captchas now at least. A robot that proves I’m not a robot. Is this the singularity yet?

RGB3x3 ,

No, but it’s definitely a boring dystopia.

RizzRustbolt ,

Singularity was more than 70 years ago.

Mango ,

Go on.

phoneymouse ,

What’s this?

Furbag , in And I will die on this hill.

The only thing I could think of with the whole “1000 Mozarts” comment is that there’s a very real chance that if the world Musk and Bezos envision came true, those Mozart level geniuses would be working in an Amazon fulfillment center or a Tesla assembly line, wasting their talents as a slave to capitalism.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

That’s what they actually want anyway. Drones for their business ventures.

phorq ,

I was wondering what happened to the drone delivery Amazon promised… It all makes sense now…

theparadox ,

That’s actually something that’s likely already happening, assuming they manage to even achieve that.

I guarantee there are tons of potential geniuses born that are never afforded the chance to develop or even demonstrate their abilities… and when they do, aren’t recognized. Either because they are from the dirty poors and/or the Moneybags family can just leverage their resources to ensure their kids get the opportunity or recognition instead.

If you don’t believe in fairness or equality, the potential benefits to yourself by way of improvements to society from geniuses should motivate you.

I’m so tired of the pattern of a well balanced society flourishing and then a few selfish fuckwads hoard resources and starve their society back into a stagnant imbalanced fief.

Zron , in Free trial has expired

Be far more cruel to give all blind people eyesight for 3 years.

Just enough time to get used to it, enjoy it, maybe get a drivers license or start a career.

Then one day, it goes away again without explanation.

Lightsong ,

Also enough time for equipments and resources get thrown out.

mack7400 ,

Yeah, 30 seconds would just make most blind people barf and shut their eyes until it went away, since their brains haven’t learned to properly process the video.

frokie ,

Installing the codecs definitely take longer than 30s

HW07 ,

Probably don’t have hardware decoding configured yet either.

NightAuthor ,

I think that’s probably a really good analogy, from what I’ve learned about eye sight.

Ziglin ,

But most blind people haven’t been blind for ever, most slowly lost their vision to my knowledge.

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