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tourist , to mildlyinfuriating in Sideloading won't be enabled where I live
@tourist@lemmy.world avatar

All other countries without sideloading mandates

We’re as shitty as we’re legally allowed to be

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TheInsane42 ,
@TheInsane42@lemmy.world avatar

Technology isn’t to enable users to do what they want, but to let corporations do what they can get away with.

grue ,

Speak for yourself; I use Free Software.

TangledHyphae ,

I finally made the plunge to Linux desktop for all work in 2016 and have not looked back (and occasional windows VM, extremely rare now.) Even Arch is now perfectly fine as a workstation which surprised me. Recommend EndeavourOS to streamline the install process but it’s Arch underneath.

TheInsane42 ,
@TheInsane42@lemmy.world avatar

Welcome to the good side. ;)

I’ve been running Linux since I could afford a 386 in '94. (and learned years later a 386SX would have run it as well) Every time I need to work on Windows for an employer the 1st thing I do is find who can help mne fix windows when I break it. (I seem to be pretty good at that, although it doesn’t seem to be a huge skill)

GhostFence ,

UMSDOS?

TheInsane42 ,
@TheInsane42@lemmy.world avatar

I’m a Linux user since '94, the 1st Android phone I got (company phone) was rooted, the 1st one I bough ran Cyanogenmod and I even developed Cyanogenmod for my 2nd tablet. (1st was crap) yep, free software user. (and kind of developer)

CanadaPlus ,

From the perspective of the people who make the crap, corporations are the users.

GhostFence ,

Corporations are people!

BestBouclettes ,

To be fair that’s not limited to Apple. Any company will follow the law to the letter, and lobby to change the law in their favour.

LinkOpensChest_wav ,
@LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Ok, but Android wouldn’t have to allow sideloading by that logic, yet…

BestBouclettes ,

Android is not a company though, it’s FOSS. Google could ban it on their branch I suppose.

LinkOpensChest_wav ,
@LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

True. I have a Samsung, which does do some shitty ass things like remove the option to turn off data access to apps, but even they allow “sideloading” (I don’t even like that term – it’s just installing software in the normal way to me)

smileyhead ,

Most Android components can technically be FOSS, but the it’s monolythic nature makes it very hard to get from those FOSS benefits. Best example is TV using Android, phone using Android, but cannot change the interface without hacking half-baked thing like custom ROM.

SebKra ,

Google does indeed use Google Play Services to gate-keep the Ecosystem while keeping Android technically FOSS. Still better than Apple in this case, but hey… would you rather be hanged or beheaded?

LinkOpensChest_wav ,
@LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Not all Android apps use Play Services, do they?

gigachad ,

No but many of them. Play Services gets more and more functions that used to be part of the Android operating system. Some very basic functionalities are assisted GPS or Push notifications.

Holzkohlen ,

So? Companies can and have removed features like that at the behest of some dickwad in power. Don’t take anything for granted. We need to heavily regulate them. Or hell take games. Capcom is currently adding DRM to 12+year old games. Garbage like that should be forbidden by law instead of relying on shitstorms to get companies to comply.

LinkOpensChest_wav ,
@LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I’m not taking it for granted. It was just an observation of fact.

grue ,

To be even fairer, corporations have no inherent “right” to exist, and in fact should not be allowed to exist unless they’re acting ethically and serving society.

TrickDacy ,

Despite not being forced by governments, no android phone uses a shitty proprietary charger port, nor have they ever. And last night I discovered side loading is possible on my fucking google TV device. Again, no laws require this, it’s just called not being a fucking prick.

Wanderer ,

Not always. Consumers given choice they should go for the product that is best. That way companies have to make the best product. That’s competition working.

Like when ps3 offered free online but xbox didn’t. That killed the xbox market as everyone could choose a similar product that was cheaper.

Or when apple forced everyone to use their products people went to the Samsung because you could do what you want. That killed apple.

Or when some companies offered subscription model like Microsoft Office, everyone went to alternatives and that killed Microsoft Office.

Honestly I blame people. We had all the information and just laughed in the face of reason. We are choosing to spend more for a shittier product.

Broken_Monitor ,

From Apple’s perspective it’s not shitty, it’s part of their brand. Apple products are all about stupid proofing. Its hard to fuck it up, its hard to download a malicious app or virus. Preventing side loading protects people who don’t know what side loading is. Believe it or not that’s the majority of users. Side loading wont effect profits but thats because the large majority of their customer base will never use it. Those of us who want it are a vocal minority trying to screw up their entire business strategy, so of course they won’t give it to us unless they are forced to do so.

TrickDacy ,

From Apple’s perspective it’s not shitty

No shit.

From Hitler’s perspective, he was saving Germany too. Why would I give a shit about that perspective?

Broken_Monitor ,

Maybe it will help you be less pissy about something you cant change. Accept the fact that Apple will never change due to this fundamental business strategy and move on to a company that doesnt rely on babying their mindless customers. Or I dunno, fuck it, keep pissing in the wind and crying about smelling bad.

TrickDacy ,

I won’t give apple another dime. I made the decision like 10 years ago and stuck with it.

The only reason I have to care is that you can’t avoid hearing about apple and their shitty business practices on a near daily basis.

Complaining about a company being shitty is reasonable. Deal with it and just simp harder.

Broken_Monitor ,

Yo you and everyone else replying to me need to slow down and read carefully. I’m telling you you cant change it SO GO BUY SOMETHING ELSE. Holy fuck, the shit I said above is not a compliment to apple. If you don’t get that then you are Apple’s target audience cause goddamn ya fuckin need stupid proofing.

TrickDacy ,

need to slow down and read carefully

The irony.

GhostFence ,

We’re never going to shut up about Apple. Ever. Anyone who doesn’t like it is free to not read it!

MotoAsh ,

No. Still punching Nazis and Apple fan bois in the face for supporting fascistic backwards authoritarians.

DontTreadOnBigfoot ,
@DontTreadOnBigfoot@lemmy.world avatar

" from my point of view, the Jedi are evil"

Anakin sounded like a total ass too when he said it

amanneedsamaid ,

Apple products are all about stupid proofing.

Where do we draw the line between a functioning computer and chromebook? an IoT device? Stupid-proofing should not come at the cost of basic functionality.

Preventing side loading protects people who don’t know what side loading is.

No, it does not. Users attempting to sideload an app would obviously be warned, not to mention various other methods of malware scanning / sandboxing which can alleviate that non-existant issue.

Those of us who want it are a vocal minority trying to screw up their entire business strategy.

Creating Fisher Price computers is not a valid business strategy, and serves as a detriment for all users regardless of proficency. User freedom is beneficial for absolutely everyone.

brbposting ,

Users attempting to sideload an app would obviously be warned, not to mention various other methods of malware scanning / sandboxing which can alleviate that non-existant issue.

Hope the sandboxing is really strong.

Vulnerable people can be walked through malware installations over the phone, or via guided workflow.

Also, naughty nations/employers can pre-load spyware onto devices they require people to use.

Definitely excited to see what the best use cases are but will await headlines this year about misuse.

Broken_Monitor ,

It absolutely is a valid business strategy, Apple has been winning with this strategy for like 15-20 years now. Their shit IS Fisher Price computers and Fisher Price phones and ALWAYS HAS BEEN. Most people are fucking dumb and it is designed specifically for them. So for the love of god go buy something else. Please. I’m begging you and everyone else who thinks they are smart - STOP BUYING APPLE STUFF! Like holy shit do something inconvenient for once

amanneedsamaid ,

I do. However, computers should function as computers.

GhostFence ,

True but don’t try Tinder dating with an Android phone, lol. Apple products get you dates!

garnerstyle.com/…/tech-wars-why-some-women-think-…

amanneedsamaid ,

Any women who (who we’re already assuning I’m interested in enough to take on a date) won’t go on a date with me because of my phone’s OS are dodged bullets imo.

GhostFence ,

My 12 year old son has a Samsung Galaxy S23 and is a total Samsung loyalist. I hope he doesn’t have to dodge a ton of bullets.

uis ,
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

Their branding: “Apple. Defective by design.”

Wanderer ,

I honestly don’t get why people use apple. People have explained it to me and I think I just don’t get the reasoning.

People would tell me on the age of illegally downloaded or someone legally bought mp3s apple was better because you can’t play your mp3s you have to buy them again off apple. Or that apple is better because you can’t use something and instead have to use apples device which isn’t as good and more expensive but it’s white! Like I can’t get a fucking white one.

The walled garden is shit. Apple makes me angry.

thecrotch ,

People would tell me on the age of illegally downloaded or someone legally bought mp3s apple was better because you can’t play your mp3s you have to buy them again off apple

Idk why people told you that but it’s never been true. iPods didn’t give a shit where the mp3 came from, only that it was loaded via iTunes.

Wanderer ,

I dunno maybe my friends were too stupid to manage it.

But I got told you couldn’t get it on there and you couldn’t get it off their.

I didn’t see the point. Didn’t seem like owning it, seemed like apple owned it.

Swedneck ,
@Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

i have used an iphone once in my life when i was a kid, and my only memory of it is thinking something was broken because i couldn’t open the filesystem on my PC

justJanne , to programmerhumor in Totally logical and expected functionality

Badly shielded USB3 causes RF leaks at 2.4GHz. use 5Ghz WiFi or better shielded devices.

ArbiterXero ,

This is the answer.

Some early wifi routers with USB ports on them had the same issue.

maxprime ,

I’ve seen this exact problem on other laptops. Not saying it’s okay, but it’s not exactly an Apple only problem. It’s a “let’s cram everything into this single port and hope it doesn’t interfere with anything” problem.

justJanne ,

Better laptops tend to put the wifi antenna in the display, so it’s far away from the USB ports when in use. Obviously that’s not compatible with ultra thin laptops.

maxprime ,

But if the antenna passes the usb port then it doesn’t really matter.

A friend of mine had a $2500 gaming laptop that couldn’t use WiFi when he used an external display. He ended up having to use two separate dongles, one for DisplayPort and another for Ethernet. It worked, but was pretty dumb. In the end, though, I was happy that at least he was using a wired connection.

ArbiterXero ,

Ideally it passes by shielded. Or better yet, shield both.

fuckwit_mcbumcrumble ,

All laptops have their wireless antennas in the lid of the laptops. MacBooks included.

The amount of RF generated by some devices is insane.

llii ,

It’s also a common problem with 2.4 GHz Zigbee USB sticks. It’s recommended to connect them to a longer usb cable.

ArbiterXero ,

That’s an interesting one….

bamboo ,

Add the Logitech unifying receiver to this list. It cuts out constantly with the dock model most people use at my work, and I have to put it on a dongle or extension cable to fix it.

Kusimulkku ,

What an amazing screwup

Sleepkever ,

Charging from the left side isn’t all that either, some macbook pro models actually become slower due to thermal throttling because charging from the left creates heat closer to the CPU. Resulting in a significant CPU slowdown.

gregorum , to programmerhumor in GitHub Copilot will respect your privacy!

lmao… when you give an LLM unlimited power and an ill-defined role, it assumes the position of a shitty project manager, of course

stevedidwhat_infosec ,

It’s learning capabilities are clearly unrivaled

I kinda feel like GPT is if you skipped college and just went with the apprenticeship strategy but it’s apprenticeship was with Reddit posts

Good enough but every now and then has some wildly inaccurate shit sprinkled in just enough to make you question the integrity of the whole thing.

LLMs (unless implemented with general knowledge AI) will never be accurate or more than a novelty toy. It’s close to being iRobot but right now it’s just an abacus. The future won’t be about one model, it’ll be about orchestration of models or the development of model ecosystems to make a better overall symphony as the product/tool

brbposting ,

LLMs (unless implemented with general knowledge AI) will never be accurate or more than a novelty toy.

I see Bing horribly confabulate all the time (and sometimes subsequently gaslight).

Thus I was surprised at last month’s Klarna news:

https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/3e535c31-12c8-4501-8974-0be550ff4aa2.jpeg

Wonder what’s going on behind the scenes.

JCreazy ,

If the AI works then fantastic. It’s inevitable so it’s going to get used by companies but the issue is companies using it without understanding what it does or what it’s capable of doing.

brbposting ,

without understanding

Or without caring too eh?

Trainguyrom ,

This is the value I see in AI is letting human agents work way faster. An AI which is trained on your previous human-managed tickets and suggests the right queue, status and response but still allows the human agents to ultimately approve or rewrite the AI response before sending would save a mountain of work for any kind of queue work and chat support work

Kidplayer_666 ,

I bet that 75% of support requests are people who didn’t read the FAQ, and if you can get humans not doing that, it’s much better for both

theneverfox ,

People just don’t get it… LLMs are unreliable, casual, and easily distracted/incepted.

They’re also fucking magic.

That’s the starting point - those are the traits of the technology. So what is it useful for?

You said drafting basically - and yeah, absolutely. Solid use case.

Here’s the biggest one right now, IMO - education. An occasionally unreliable tutor is actually better than a perfect one - it makes you pay attention. Hook it into docs or a search through unstructured comments? It can rephrase for you, dumb it down or just present it casually. It can generate examples, and even tie concepts together thematically

Text generation - this is niche for “proper” usage, but very useful. I’m making a game, I want an arbitrarily large number of quest chains with dialogue. We’re talking every city in the US (for now), I don’t need high quality or perfect accuracy - I need to take a procedurally generated quest and fluff it up with some dialogue.

Assistants - if you take your news feed or morning brief (or most anything else), they can present the information in a more human way. It can curate, summarize, or even make a feed interactive with conversation. They can even do fantastic transcriptions and pretty good image recognition to handle all sorts of media

There’s plenty more, but here’s the thing - none of those are particularly economically valuable. Valuable at an individual/human level, but not something people are willing to pay for.

The tech is far from useless… Even in it’s current state, running on minimal hardware, it can do all sorts of formerly impossible things.

It’s just being sold as what they want it to be, not what it is

blazeknave ,

I laughed my ass off at this! So well put!

Today, my last 3 messages to Gemini were all pretty much: “cool! We’re agreed on the framework and tone etc in which you’ll communicate this thing to me. Now please, create the fucking thing already”

CaptainPedantic , to lemmyshitpost in acceptable screws

Philips screws are awful. They strip if you look at them wrong. Flatheads should only be used on thumbscrews just in case you need a little extra torque from a screwdriver.

Torx and Hex are excellent.

Kolanaki ,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

I feel like spanner would be the best for not having shit getting stripped. But that’s just looking at this diagram; never seen them IRL.

Ajen ,

They’re mostly just used for tamper-proof screws for things like bathroom stalls so people can’t take them apart as a “prank” or whatever. The screw driver bits tend to break easily, which is usually worse than the screw stripping.

rockerface ,

Hexagons are the bestagons

weeeeum ,

I work on electronics and woodworking and Phillips are the utter worst of both of them. The thread lock in computers makes them easy to strip when unscrewing. The resistance of driving them into wood makes them guaranteed to strip when screwing. Fuck them.

stealth_cookies ,

The big issue I see with people driving Phillips screws is that they don’t use a large enough driver size. Computer screws for example are Phillips #2 and I’ve never had an issue with them stripping.

weeeeum ,

I use the correct driver, I’ll go through my kit to find the best fitting bit. It simply comes down to the fact they are designed to strip to avoid “catastrophic failure”. Plus the fact that companies use intentionally cheap, soft screws, to make repair and service harder. Cough cough zinc screws on a $10,000 iMac (steel screws would have cost 25 cents for 10, zinc like 5 cents for 10, fucking ridiculous).

evergreen ,

I read that the thing about them being designed to strip to prevent worse failure is just a myth. Or at least they weren’t originally designed to. It said that the original patent never contained any feature for that. Wouldn’t surprise me though if modern companies do use screws designed to strip to prevent disassembly/repair.

HocEnimVeni ,
@HocEnimVeni@lemmy.world avatar

I think originally the screws would cause the driver to cam out and stop driving if a certain amount of force is applied but the screws are so soft and cheap that the harder driver damages the screw head when it cams out.

nickwitha_k ,

This and the centered shape that Philips and Robertson have were key. The lack of a sharp driver bit being able to slip out of the fastener prevented a lot of injuries.

However, Philips, at least, needs to go away.

OsaErisXero ,

I always figured it was intentional but for the other reason: screws soft enough that overtightening can't damage/crack the multi-thousand dollar components, the screw head cores out first.

grue ,

That’s great, but then you can’t get your multi-thousand dollar component unscrewed anyway so what was the point?

frezik ,

It’s also a design flaw that it’s so easy to use the wrong sized driver and it will sorta work. It might be annoying that you have to have a set of different star drive or hex drive bits, but you’re less likely to strip them.

NaoPb ,

Maybe I’m just being lucky but I’ve never experienced screws stripping anymore since I’ve started getting better tools for myself.

And in woodworking it can also help to pre-drill a hole using your smallest drill, before screwing a screw in. This also prevents the wood from cracking. I’ve also seen wood screws that have some lubrication pre-applied.

AdrianTheFrog ,
@AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world avatar

The problem is, when working with electronics, you can have a great screwdriver but it won’t help if the screws in the device are very cheap (and probably partially stripped already from someone opening it previously).

KuraiWolfGaming ,

I swear I’ve had stuff with stripped screws right from the store.

NaoPb ,

I’ll be honest that I’ve never really experienced problems like that before. I’ve had cheap screws and partially stripped screws. But so far I’ve always been able to open them with the right screwdriver.

But I believe you when you say you did and maybe you have a lot more experience than I do so I’ll respect your opinion.

AdrianTheFrog ,
@AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world avatar

I haven’t had any completely fail yet, but I’ve seen some come worryingly close. I don’t really have all that much experience, but from what I’ve seen it just doesn’t seem like the most reliable design.

NaoPb ,

PC fan screws come to mind because they are self tapping and a lot of people seem to not use the right screwdriver or don’t yet know the trick of running the screws in and out of the fan one time outside of the case first.

nickwitha_k ,

Could be that it’s not a Philips but a JIS. I didn’t even know that JIS existed until a couple years ago. The shape is close enough to Philips to mostly work but make it super easy to strip.

huginn ,

The image feels like it should be posted in c/unpopularopinions

facelessbs ,

Square is nice too but square/Phillips is a good damn lie. Because the Philips side of it doesn’t work well enough so it is still just a square but with extra slots

sxan ,
@sxan@midwest.social avatar

Torx gang unite.

We had our 20 y/o deck repaired and stained last year. I was chatting with the overseer about what he was going to do and the topic of screws came up; he said he was going to use Torx, and only ever used Torx anymore - I just about cheered.

I’d been losing hope in humanity lately, but little signs of sanity like this, professionals finally getting rid of the hell-bits that are Phillips heads, lifts my heart and gives me hope.

bonn2 ,

I work at a big box hardware store, and I can confirm that almost all deck and structural screws are moving to torx. (much to the older generations dismay)

sxan ,
@sxan@midwest.social avatar

That’s what a worker at my local Ace store said: they were slowly transitioning to Torx.

dankm ,

I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a philips or slotted deck screw. I have and have purchased many boxes of these things and they’ve always been nearly 100% Robertson. Is this a US thing?

sxan ,
@sxan@midwest.social avatar

Yes, and you’re Canadian. Robertson is the standard there, and while it’s used in other countries, not nearly as much.

In the beginning was slotted heads, mainly because mass machining and casting wasn’t good enough to have more precise forms. Then came the Great Connector Wars, and in the US the Phillips head won and was standardized; almost every house built in the US in the past 80 years will be built with these (and nails). Slotted heads are much less common, but you find them in various specific places, like where the heads are visible and you want to hide the screw as much as economically possible.

Canada, however, was smarter and standardized on the Robertson head; IIRC one reason for the divergence was the Phillips licensing cost. In any case, Robertson is superior to Phillips in most ways, except it’s even worse to dig out if it gets painted over.

As machining improved, many attempts were made to improve on Phillips, which mostly amounted to polishing a turd; Robertson remained unchanged as it was already pretty good.

Then came hex, which is great except it’s structurally pretty terrible for the head. Still, it can be seen as an improvement in Robertson, but not quite so good as to be worth all the retooling. Good enough that it’s probably the second, or at least third, most popular head in the US.

Finally, someone did some fucking math and came up with Torx, which is provably and demonstrably superior to all other screw heads. It maximizes force transfer, and leaves more material in the head; it’s harder to strip out, and can be applied effectively to very small screw heads. There’s a security version, which was mostly useless (for intended purpose) the day after it was released, but beyond that, there’s no real improvement that can be made.

The Phillips patents expired decades ago, so it’s holding on mainly from inertia. Commercial contractors don’t have much invested in it, because they have to literally buy boxes of replacement Phillips heads because of how shitty the design is and how often the heads break. While manufacturers have a steady stream of revenue from selling replacement Phillips tools that have broken, this is balanced by the mouth-watering prospect of every contractor in the US buying new Torx size-sets and high-end Torx tools. And the screw makers probably DGAF as they’ll sell screws either way; Torx screws might be a little more expensive - they used to be, but I haven’t compared lately.

Canada may just motor on using Robertson; there’s less incentive for them to retool since Robertson isn’t nearly as crappy as Phillips, so the cost/benefit to upgrade to Torx is less compelling. But who knows?

wjrii ,

These days, all but the cheapest outdoor-grade screws in the US are torx, generally with a bit thrown into the box that, while cheap, should work fine for a few boxes’ worth.

sxan ,
@sxan@midwest.social avatar

Freaking awesome. Better and better. We’ve finally fixed the screw heads, and pretty much also computer connectors (and small device chargers!) with USB-C. Just in time for the end of the world via total ecological collapse.

Great times.

azertyfun ,

I’ve heard that was more of a European thing, but the only two serious contenders are Pozidriv vs Torx for screws (and hex vs Allen for bolts).

I just checked my local hardware store’s website, and out of the 176 kinds of 4/4.5mm screw boxes in their inventory, 74 are Torx, 55 are Pozidriv, and 38 are Phillips (ew).

Either Torx or Pozidriv is fine when used properly, however most DIYers don’t understand the difference between PZ and PH and end up stripping their heads. Also it’s much harder to use the wrong-sized bit with Torx than PZ.

So yeah, Torx wins in just about every category and other heads only get manufactured to appease old people and penny-pinchers.

sxan ,
@sxan@midwest.social avatar

That’s one of my issues with Pozi - it can be hard to see the markings, and not everyone has great eyesight. I mostly object to Phillips-related screws because there are so many variations that mostly look the same and require a table to differentiate. And none have the torque-transfer performance of Torx. Plus, you can use a hex head in a Torx bit in an emergency and you don’t much care about either the bit or the head.

AresUII ,

The ones with bumps in the middle can go fuck themselves

grue ,

Flatheads should only be used on thumbscrews just in case you need a little extra torque from a screwdriver.

The only other legitimate use I’ve seen for flatheads is on wooden boats, where you’ll be gooping the head up with tar for waterproofing. Since you’ll eventually have to scrape it back off again to get to the fastener, you want a simple geometry that’s easy to clean.

nilloc ,

Square (Robertson) drives are actually great too. Better than Hex/Allen, but Torx is the most reliable, and the most German. Phillips can take a long walk off a short pier.

Lev_Astov ,
@Lev_Astov@lemmy.world avatar

I do wish Robertson heads were more common. They’re almost as tough as torx, but tapered to stick on the tip of the tool, which is so convenient.

impure9435 , to programmerhumor in If AI can now speak Italian, it can certainly replace us...

The thing that I find the most funny about this post, is the fact that you call this Italian

velox_vulnus ,

Blud could’ve chosen Runic, Egyptian, Ancient Romanian used by Vlad the Impaler, Mesapotamian or even Harappan Indic. But Italian is it.

IronKrill ,

Blud I’m gonna be fr no cap rn but wtf does blud mean I’ve been meaning to ask for months and I still don’t get it

velox_vulnus ,

It’s a Jamaican slang for ‘friend’ or ‘brother’.

IronKrill ,

Thanks blud.

crispy_kilt ,

Needs more fam

lseif OP ,

how am i supposed to know how italians speak. i’ve never seen one

thesporkeffect ,

They’re not real, but they can hurt you.

lseif OP ,

like reverse vampires ?

pewpew ,
@pewpew@feddit.it avatar

Ne sei sicuro?

lars ,

That’s right! None of us knows how Italians can speak in the dark 🤌

Meowie_Gamer ,
@Meowie_Gamer@lemmy.world avatar

It’s a me, Mario!

jballs ,
@jballs@sh.itjust.works avatar

From my experience, they speak mostly with their hands

theterrasque ,

🫰🤙🫵👌✊🫳🫸🤲🤌

jballs ,
@jballs@sh.itjust.works avatar

Prego

Sidyctism2 ,

Ditto

AndrasKrigare ,
Rentlar , to programmerhumor in GitHub Copilot will respect your privacy!

Oh! I can do better than the LLM to write code:


<span style="color:#323232;">// TODO (Linus Torvalds) write this app for me, kthxbye.
</span>
nxdefiant ,

From : [email protected]

🖕

JoYo ,
@JoYo@lemmy.ml avatar

@torvalds has a fedi account.

ikidd ,
@ikidd@lemmy.world avatar

Well, nVidia just got told.

001100010010 , to programmerhumor in Help, I am scared...
@001100010010@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Lemmy Devs: peacefully developing the Lemmy code for free

Reddit Refugees: “WHY IS THIS SO BUGGY?”

Distributed ,

Honestly lol. Real-time stress test!

dessalines ,

We’re probably hitting close to the all-time high of unread notifications on github… I’m at 1752 rn, only watching lemmy projects.

It does feel like I’ve become the personal issue tracker for a few thousand people all the sudden. 99% of ppl are nice, but there’s always someone demanding free labor to fix their pet issue, while offering to do none of the work themselves, and making ultimatums that they won’t use your software until it gets added.

It’s like okay then??? I’m not selling a product, so I don’t care. I’ve essentially set up a free cookie stand and they’re complaining at me that I don’t have rainbow sprinkles.

BinaryEnthusiast ,

First off, thank you for working on improving lemmy, it is greatly appreciated. How does one go about helping work on lemmy? I’m a software engineer myself, and I’m looking to provide help during down of my free time. I’m not the most familiar in Rust, but it’s on my summer bucket list

dessalines ,

No probs! The best way to get started (after you’ve learned some rust), would be to find a smaller issue or feature you’d like, and then comment on that issue, or in our dev matrix chat, if you need any help. We appreciate any help we can get on improving the code.

BinaryEnthusiast ,

Thank you! I’m already familiar with REST apis, since that’s what I work on normally, so hopefully the learning experience will be smooth. Where can I find the dev matrix chat?

odium ,

Even if you’re unfamiliar with rust, you can still help with open source lemmy front-ends/apps that aren’t written in rust

MonkCanatella ,
JimmyMcGill ,

I’m sort of new to lent, how do I save this comment??

alamani ,

I’m also a noob and have no idea how to on desktop, but the jerboa app has a save post/comment feature with a button under each post/comment. Can’t say whether other apps do as well, since I’ve only tried jerboa so far.

Blaze ,
@Blaze@iusearchlinux.fyi avatar

Thank you for your work!

SmackemWittadic ,
@SmackemWittadic@lemmy.world avatar

I’m not the most familiar in Rust, but it’s on my summer bucket list

Guess you could say you have a rusty bucket

Max_UL ,

Don’t worry about those asshats! You guys are doing great work, Lemmy is awesome!

donut4ever ,

Dude, thank you so much for your hard work. Ignore those people.

conditional_soup ,

I’m a backend dev of a little over a year of experience in Python. I’ve started teaching myself Rust so that I can make mod tools and solve issues that bother me.

astropenguin5 ,

I wonder if making a separate bug-reporting place and having some people sort them to lessen the load might be helpful. Im a very newbie programmer and know nothing in rust but still want to help out, and sorting through bugreports seems like something that might be helpful, and need minimal rust experience, just sorting individual requests into piles of same problems to lessen the sorting needing to be done by those who can actually work on fixing the bugs.

renlok ,

This is the reason I ended up hating my old open source projects. It’s not enough you give people something for free some people just always demand more.

But awesome work with lemmy hopefully working on it doesn’t wear you down too much and you get some enjoyment from it still.

RickyRigatoni ,
@RickyRigatoni@lemmy.ml avatar

How come I can’t install Lemmy on my grill and have it cook me hotdogs?

flashgnash ,

It doesn’t even integrate with my smart kettle, what are they even spending their time on, silly things like stability and bugfixes?

LSlowmotion ,

It works on my smart fridge but it’s running slow. What are they doing smh my head.

george ,

I tried that but the app froze

Resonosity ,

Thank you for making this software. It’s really opened my eyes about what the internet could be in the future, and how it really mirrors real life in many ways. Take your time, I’m sure you (and any other dev) will knock out the big issues with the software if they ever pop up. The small stuff can wait

DigiWolf ,

Lemmy devs are being paid to develop Lemmy, they literally admit to it.

001100010010 ,
@001100010010@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

You mean like donations? Or something else?

ArcticDagger ,

Both - they get donations and are funded by NLnet’s NGI0 Discovery Fund

WhyIDie ,

looked into it some, looks like it’s being funded by the same initiative that funded Tor and WireGuard

Cybersteel ,
@Cybersteel@lemmy.ml avatar

Dark money

WhyIDie ,

unless I’m missing something, I thought both Tor and WireGuard are open source. I’m also seeing on their page that they require whatever they’re funding for that initiative to be open source. Kinda hard for dark money to have any of the usual dark money effects when there’s that much transparency and freedom in the final products. Again, I could be missing something.

DigiWolf ,

No, they’re being paid by a European group to develop Lemmy.

ipkpjersi ,

Actually, to be fair, they’re being paid salaries to work on Lemmy lol

Though the 0.18.0 update was quite nice and solved a lot of issues I had, so it’s definitely cool to see how well it’s progressing.

PP_BOY_ , to lemmyshitpost in car insurance
@PP_BOY_@lemmy.world avatar

I know these stories are always fake anyway but holy shit, buy a bike and chill out for a few years.

Aremel ,

Wouldn’t they have revoked your license by this point?

Ilovethebomb ,

Depends where in the world this is.

Neato ,
@Neato@ttrpg.network avatar

Not necessarily. Actual accidents don’t always confer citations and many of those can be discharged for simply proving your insurance paid the other person. It’s not illegal to be a klutz, it’s just expensive.

Gigan ,
@Gigan@lemmy.world avatar

It’s surprisingly hard to take someone’s license away.

FilterItOut ,

I have a friend who has, give or take a couple, wrecked vehicles more than 20 times. Most were minor, barely involving damage to the vehicle he was driving or the vehicle/object he hit, but a couple were catastrophic. I think the majority were because he has roadway hypnosis/narcolepsy. I’ve had him fall asleep mid sentence talking to me when he was a passenger. A perfect candidate to have that license taken, right? The two ways I know of to take a license involve driving while intoxicated or a doctor personally notifying the licensing agency about a person’s inability to drive. Believe it or not, most doctors have a vested interest (because they want clients) in not personally notifying the agency. However, there is no set path to revoke a license for simply being a bad driver.

ITPaw ,
@ITPaw@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

With that he definitely would loose his license here in Germany. It’s insane to drive with narcolepsy.

Neato ,
@Neato@ttrpg.network avatar

You’d be surprised…

Canopyflyer ,

I personally know someone who totaled 4 cars before turning 18. He literally treated the gas as an on/off switch.

So people that bad at driving are out there.

Truth be told, drivers here in the US are TOTALLY untrained for the most part. My oldest is currently in driver’s Ed and it is a joke, in regards to actually how to drive a car. I have spent a lot of time training him as I have a long history taking racing and advanced driving courses. I’ve held SCCA and FIA racing licenses and I have taken some courses that are usually reserved for police officers The only problem is I do not feel that I’m a very good teacher for him. But he has picked up some things, even if he isn’t up for threshold or trail braking.

FiniteBanjo ,

Most of the USA also seems to lack options for adults to take a class and be given professional instruction on how to drive, for some odd reason. If you’re out of high school there are no classes for you.

I wonder if it’s like that in most other countries as well?

rtxn ,

Not in Hungary. Getting a category B license, which covers automobiles and mopeds, starts with a long course in driving theory, basic maintenance, and traffic laws, capped by an exam. Then a one-day first-aid training and exam. The next step is driving practice with a certified instructor – basic skills on a practice course, then real traffic, plus parking and reversing maneuvers – 30 hours total, which must include one hour of highway and one hour of night driving, and has a minimum required distance travelled, ending with a one-hour exam with the instructor and an examiner employed by the state. Next you have to pass a medical exam (sight, hearing, balance), and THEN you can apply for a driving license.

All in all, it took me about six months and cost 150,000 HUF (~400 USD using today’s conversion rate). I passed the driving exam on the second attempt – the first failed because I didn’t yield to an old beater with a busted indicator light.

Also, just for comparison, when I started driving, my insurance was around 170 USD a year and it’s only gone down. $500 per month is fucking absurd.

captainlezbian ,

Y’all have to hear to drive?

RavuAlHemio ,

Not necessarily, but the state then requires proof that the reduced hearing (1) does not impact balance, and (2) can be compensated sufficiently by the driver (e.g. actively looking out for blinking blue lights because they cannot hear the horn of police/ambulance/fire brigade vehicles).

rtxn , (edited )

You don’t?

We have to show that an imperfect hearing is not a hindrance, e.g. you won’t hear a siren coming from the left when it’s from the right.

captainlezbian ,

Nah I’m hard of hearing and allowed to drive without hearing aids. All our traffic signals are predominantly visual and sirens are treated as a secondary component to the flashing lights. Hell, cops often only use the auditory components when the visual has failed, the visual never fails for me because I understand that I absolutely must rely on my eyes when driving.

So actually this is an area of professional interest to me and yeah, it’s often horrifying how easily many systems could incorporate visual sirening but choose not to. Fire alarms have flashing lights in every workplace in my country, but tornado sirens basically never do.

In as car centric of a country as America it would be a fairly extreme injustice to prohibit the deaf from driving if we’re able to effectively use visual signals within a reasonable margin of error (I’d say so long as our best drivers are better than the average hearing driver)

KillingTimeItself ,

i mean, in fairness, how would you incorporate non auditory sirens into a tornado siren?

captainlezbian ,

Flashing blue lights with a pattern mirroring the rhythm of the siren. So a slow undulation of luminosity of blue lights. If you see something like that out of nowhere you’re gonna know something is wrong, it isn’t a fire, and if you don’t recognize the pattern to do as others are.

As a bonus, put them under the fire lights with a blue backing and the word tornado in white.

KillingTimeItself ,

ok and what do you do when you are not in range of a tornado siren to see it? Where i live we can hear them, but cannot see them. Only in particularly nearby circumstances would you see one.

In a building i suppose that would work though, usually there are plenty of other indications there. Like other people. Also i probably wouldn’t explicitly label them as tornado, unless you’re in the US. Extreme weather perhaps elsewhere.

captainlezbian ,

Well considering I’m treating this as an and not an instead… so probably whatever was happening then? Combining sensory outputs in alarms and sirens saves lives because different senses have different merits and not everyone has every sense. There is no perfect warning except forewarning and when you hit the “evacuate or seek shelter” stage of an emergency any leg up is valuable

I went with tornado siren in a building as my frame of mental reference as in my part of the United States workplaces and other similar gathering places often have mandatory audio-visual fire alarms and mandatory audio tornado sirens. These are our two drills. These are our emergencies, and one leaves me absolutely fucked if I’m not wearing my hearing aids at the time.

KillingTimeItself ,

nah i get it, i just don’t think it would do much in many cases. Especially considering that everybody has a phone these days, with a third sensory addition. Those usually tend to also notify people about severe weather events as well.

captainlezbian ,

Because you should never trust personal handheld devices to do the job of final warnings. My phone is on do not disturb at work. Many people do that. Sometimes people leave their phones in meetings. No phones are allowed on basically any factory floor unless it’s a work phone that like 1% of employees get.

So I’m an industrial engineer in addition to being deaf and one of my major professional focuses is actually human factors and as it pertains to the disabled it becomes extra important. So yeah this is basically all industry wide known to be better. So why is the fire flashy and the tornado not? Because both follow the legal minimum. I think workplace legal minimum should be raised so that any mandatory audio signal should contain a visual signal that shares the beat of the audio signal.

KillingTimeItself ,

i mean, that’s definitely fair, in the instance of something like factory, having some sort of global warning system would be advantageous. Does this stem from the recent tornado that hit a factory floor in indiana and killed like 100 people or something i think it was? If so that would make sense. There was definitely a significant issue in that scenario.

Outside of something like work or an institution though im not sure.

captainlezbian ,

No I’ve actually pitched this idea to safety departments for years. Also I’m a Midwesterner, there’s always dead factory workers thanks to a tornado.

And like I do actually think that flashing lights in certain areas can be a good idea outside of work and institutions but it’s important to keep in mind how big of a net work and institutions are. It’s a third of your time for most of your life.

KillingTimeItself ,

there are definitely instances outside where it would be productive, but then again, as midwesterners i swear going outside during a tornado warning or watch is like a genetic feature of our DNA or something.

Ilovethebomb ,

That’s insanely cheap insurance, I pay that to insure a vehicle that is parked up and not driven.

Lemmeenym ,

We’re no where near $170 a year but $500 is very high. I haven’t had a ticket or accident in about 15 years, I think insurance companies can only go back 6 years, and I’m paying about $75 per month.

joel_feila ,
@joel_feila@lemmy.world avatar

that has to be liability only

ApathyTree ,
@ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I have full coverage with decently high coverage values (above minimum across the board, some substantially so)

I pay 60/mth, but I have a flawless driving record (driving since 04, not so much as a ticket) and live in a rural low cost state so that may factor in.

Trainguyrom ,

For someone who’s over 25 with a clean driving record you can get good coverage for one vehicle for about $500/6 mo. My wife and I have no tickets and 1 accident (deer on a county highway on a blind curve, completely unavoidable, but totaled the car) and our rate hasn’t changed in the 3 years since we last made any adjustments

joel_feila ,
@joel_feila@lemmy.world avatar

yeah the cheapest I can find is 300 month. yes i have clean record.

ricdeh ,
@ricdeh@lemmy.world avatar

Wow, 400€ is good, I (or rather, my family) paid about 4000€, and that was even with passing every exam the first time and generally being a good student. But I’m from Germany, not Hungary. Still, that can surely not account for such a vast difference, can it?

rtxn ,

It can, easily. Hungary is cheap, both the wages and cost of living (although the ratio of the two is getting worse every day), compared to the rest of Europe and even many former Soviet republics. Foreign companies are flocking here for cheap, skilled labor. That 150,000 HUF was a significant part of the average gross monthly salary at the time.

budgard ,
@budgard@lemmy.world avatar

Your info is outdated. A the cost starts at 300k, assuming they only need the minimum required driving hours to pass. Which is rarely the case.

Signtist ,

My wife didn’t even do drivers’ ed, since she didn’t get her license until after high school. She just had to pass a test and got her license that day. I did the whole drivers’ ed thing, but it barely prepared me at all, and I ended up getting into 2 accidents while still in high school since I just didn’t have the experience to deal with unusual situations, and I locked up when I happened to get into a couple dangerous situations. Luckily we’re both experienced drivers by now 10+ years later, but yeah, those first few years are basically just learning how to drive by driving, being a danger to everyone.

KillingTimeItself ,

curious what those two accidents were caused by.

Signtist ,

Tailgaters. I was terrified that if I slowed down too quickly they’d smash into me, so one time I took a turn too fast and crashed into a car I couldn’t see because of a hedge, and the other I didn’t brake quickly enough to stop for a guy who suddenly realized he wanted to take a left turn right then. I eventually told myself that if tailgaters crash into me, that’s their problem for being so close behind me, and I just need to focus on what I’m doing.

KillingTimeItself ,

ah, yeah that sounds about right. Tailgaters are the worst shit dude.

RegalPotoo ,
@RegalPotoo@lemmy.world avatar

Learning to drive as part of high school is a super American thing that is really indicative of your attitudes towards driving and car ownership

PatMustard ,

It’s pretty standard in Britain to learn to drive when you’re 17. The testing seems to be much more rigorous than whatever happens in America though, and Anon would hopefully have lost their licence by now!

FiniteBanjo ,

I suppose it is technically possible for Anon to have been ruled to not be at fault for all of those accidents, but that’s like winning the lottery twice.

oatscoop ,

Unfortunately in huge swaths of America a driver’s license is practically a necessity – there are no realistic alternatives. A 30 minute to an hour drive to go to work or get groceries isn’t uncommon.

afraid_of_zombies ,

Umm my insurance gives me a discount if I take a refresher course every two years or so. It wasn’t really hard to do.

Iron_Lynx ,

NL here: driving education is something you have to do at driving schools, separate from regular schools. Getting your license requires a written exam (traffic rules, hazard recognition, stuff like that) and a practical exam, with both the practical and all lessons done in regular traffic. If you see a car with a blue square sign with a white L in it, that’s a student driver.

It also costs a few thousand euros to go through the process. Though getting your license for cars does often get you a license for some other vehicles. Mine came with a moped license.

FiniteBanjo ,

In the USA some states don’t require licensure for mopeds and similar pedal operated vehicles.

NikkiDimes ,

Getting your license requires a written exam (traffic rules, hazard recognition, stuff like that) and a practical exam, with both the practical and all lessons done in regular traffic.

Sounds the same as the US, although zero lessons required and costs like $45 or something.

Zehzin ,
@Zehzin@lemmy.world avatar

Brazil: You need to do psych and eyesight evaluations, 40 hours of classes, 20 hours of practical lessons ( you need separate practical lessons for cars, bikes, semis etc) and tests for both.

RedEyeFlightControl ,
@RedEyeFlightControl@lemmy.world avatar

There was a kid at my high school who was famous for wrecking 7 cars his senior year. Parents just kept buying him new ones. Like, brand new. Off the lot. It was insane.

MNByChoice ,

Don’t even have to change the oil at that rate.

Frozengyro ,

Sounds like a hell of a car salesman!

Zron ,

Kid’s parents probably bought that person their house.

carl_dungeon ,

It’s alright, he probably doesn’t need to know how to do a PIT maneuver or corner drifts :P

LordKitsuna ,

As someone that ended up being the teacher for the majority of my friend group. If you are struggling with the teaching more than likely you’re trying to give answers to their questions. Which is actually more unhelpful than helpful.

If they’re asking you how to make a certain kind of turn, or how to know how close they are to something. Just giving them an answer isn’t really useful because they don’t know how to arrive at that answer, instead you need to help them ask the correct questions.

" you didn’t quite make it in that parallel park, get out and take a look at where the car is. The back of the car is only just barely in the spot, so clearly you didn’t end up deep enough in the spot. What do you think you need to do to change that"

And have them keep practicing until they start to figure it out, it will seem frustrating for them in the moment but it’s genuinely more useful for them to try things on their own and attempt to reach the answer. than it is for them to be handed the answer, because then they understand not just the answer is, but the why of the answer. Why did I not make that turn, what does it feel like to not make the turn properly. Which is very important for being able to apply those same principles of vehicle control to other situations.

One of my favorite things to do with people is to set up some cones or a block of wood or whatever and just tell them to try and park as closely as possible to that object without touching it. I have them do that, get out, go look at how close they were to it, and then try again if they were nowhere near it until they can get it to Within less than a foot. Great way to help train sense of vehicle position.

joel_feila ,
@joel_feila@lemmy.world avatar

Yes this. We teach kids, slow down in the rain, but give no guidelines on how to calculate how much they should slow down. Hell I have ran into very few adults that even understand the concept of out driving your headlights.

SkyezOpen ,

My parents took me to a parking lot after a fresh snow and told me to give it a try. Learning how the car handles is yuge.

joel_feila ,
@joel_feila@lemmy.world avatar

Around here you be Lucky to get snow once every 4 years. So yeah good idea but not doable here.

TranscendentalEmpire ,

I did know people like this growing up, but they were always driving fucked up one way or another.

WaxedWookie ,

That’s bound to work out great with their history of crashing…

PM_Your_Nudes_Please ,

Yeah, people like this are why my (absolutely spotless record, not even a parking ticket) insurance is so high. They drive rates up for everyone around them, simply due to the fact that you can get hit by them through no fault of your own.

I dated a girl whose brother had four accidents on his record at the time. He was 17 years old, so just barely old enough to have his license, (in my area you can get your permit at 15, and license at 16). After his second totaled car, their parents told him he was buying his third car with his own money. For them, the first totaled car was a fluke; The second was a pattern. So he got a job at 16, bought a junker with his earnings, and totaled it six months later.

The worst part is that two of his accidents happened in the exact same circumstances. Slick roads from an ice storm. He takes one particular corner too fast, hits a patch of ice, and ends up totaled. He totaled two cars on the exact same icy corner, because he didn’t learn from the first accident.

hardcoreufo ,

New intern at work was talking about smashing 2 cars while speeding just weeks apart. Then starts talking about wanting to get a motorcycle. Kid isn’t going to make it to 25.

SkyezOpen ,

Who says natural selection is gone?

afraid_of_zombies ,

Can you get him to sign up to be an organ donor? My state lets you do it online.

KillingTimeItself ,

hey, at least he wont kill a woman and their child, just himself.

Appoxo , to mildlyinfuriating in Sideloading won't be enabled where I live
@Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Shouldnt have exited from the EU ¯_(ツ)_/¯

hellfire103 OP ,
@hellfire103@sopuli.xyz avatar

Wasn’t my choice. I was 10.

LinkOpensChest_wav ,
@LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

One thing I’ve learned living in a conservative state in the US is that everything is my fault by proxy

I should just be rich enough to move, how hard can it be

TIMMAY ,

I really wish this was a joke but it fucking isnt.

LinkOpensChest_wav ,
@LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

“We should just build a wall around your state and force it to secede. All the LGBT+ and POC should relocate immediately because it’s not safe to live there.”

“What about all the people who can’t afford to move? What about all the people living on tribal land?”

“Oh, them? Hmmm. They should move, too. Again.”

The fact is, right-wing extremism shouldn’t be tolerated anywhere. Putting all the fascists “on an island” doesn’t fix anything because there will always be children and other people who never asked to be there, yet have to suffer.

msage ,

But there’s millions of them.

Even if we don’t tolerate them, what should we do with them?

LinkOpensChest_wav ,
@LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Diffuse sanctions, with exile being used in extreme cases

But remember that hierarchical systems and states will always devolve into fascism given time, and the number of people calling for fascism would greatly decrease, given a different system

msage ,

Yeah, let’s make Texas into a communist heaven!

LinkOpensChest_wav ,
@LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

My friends from Texas would strongly approve

msage ,

We need more like them. A lot more.

LinkOpensChest_wav ,
@LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Some of the right-wingers are just heavily propagandized ignoramuses

If we can educate them…

uis , (edited )
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

Texas kolhoz. They already do kolhozing(and call it redneck engieneering).

GhostFence ,

Deport them. IDGAF about the consequences.

uis ,
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

POC? Proof of Concept?

LinkOpensChest_wav ,
@LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

People of color

daltotron ,

what if we just put them all on an island and then blew it up immediately

LinkOpensChest_wav ,
@LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

That might work

GhostFence ,

Yes but look at the alternative: a country united under far right rule. We suffered for 4 years of that and are looking at another 4 years of it if the dumbass anti-Biden memes are taken seriously by enough sheeple.

TheOctonaut ,

rich enough to move

Just so we’re clear, you’re simultaneously too rich to move (like a Guatemalan farmer) and too poor to move (like a IT graduate)?

TangledHyphae ,

Is it possible for you to rephrase that comment? Don’t quite understand what you are getting at.

TheOctonaut ,

To make it abundantly clear, for most people on earth, and for most of human history, being poor was and is not a blocker to moving. In fact it’s a great enabler. Comfortable middle income people don’t move.

LinkOpensChest_wav ,
@LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Haha nice trolling bro

scrubbles ,
@scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech avatar

Have you just tried having more money?

LinkOpensChest_wav ,
@LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Just ask daddy for a loan smh

hdnsmbt ,

How do all those immigrants move, though? Are they all secretly rich? Or are you, in fact, just comfortable enough not to want to move?

Holzkohlen ,

Are you comparing fleeing from war and poverty to moving to some other state because you care about abortions being available?

hdnsmbt ,

Yes. One is more uncomfortable than the other. I believe you already understand that.

LinkOpensChest_wav , (edited )
@LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

He’s not talking in good faith. I’m married to a first-gen immigrant from Mexico. I can tell you how “they” move. Unless they’re rich out the gate, in which case there’s a completely different process, they save up money for years, ask for money from relatives, live in extreme discomfort, and then eventually are able to move.

Once established, it’s not like “they” can pick up at any time and relocate. Now they’re trapped in three or four jobs working the entire day, with still barely enough money for rent and food.

Eventually, some of “them” might be fortunate enough to be able to afford the massive investment of time and money for residency and maybe even citizenship.

Maybe even some of “them” will fall in love and get married and start a beautiful life together.

But maybe “they” and even their spouse have misfortune. Healthcare can totally collapse you. Maybe “they” and their spouse save up money for years, but it’s never enough. “They” have got PTSD from their prior life experiences, and their spouse develops health problems. Neither of them want these things to happen, but one ends up in and out of psych wards and psychiatrists’ offices, and the other ends up shitting himself for more than five years, finally after thousands and thousands of dollars discovers he has celiac, but has also fucked other things up in the meantime by developing addiction to alcohol and opiods, which are so easy to become addicted to in this society. So their big plans to move to the big city keep falling through. “They” might lie awake at night feeling tremendous guilt about this, on top of everything else, even though it’s not “their” fault.

That’s how “they” move, and that’s how many of “them” might not be able to just fucking relocate like some privileged neckbeard from lemmy.world suggests.

I know many other immigrants and refugees. I know many similar cases.

TL;DR “They” are the same as “us”

hdnsmbt ,

What did I say for you to badmouth me here, exactly? And why do you keep putting “they” in quotes? I can tell you’re waiting for some big gotcha moment. What is it?

LinkOpensChest_wav ,
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They don’t move, either. I’m married to a first-gen immigrant. Getting here is a massive undertaking, but then?

And what do you mean, all “those” immigrants?

hdnsmbt ,

They move at least once in order to be immigrants, from their home country to the foreign country they now live in.

I mean literally every single immigrant because that’s the definition of an immigrant.

uis ,
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

Huh. Welcome to “you should have been rich adult” club. I’m not alone in such shit.

GhostFence ,

Stop being poor, dang it!

20 minutes into the future: “Poverty comes from poor character”.

Also look up “prosperity gospel”. Clive Barker has nothing on that.

andthenthreemore ,
@andthenthreemore@startrek.website avatar

Excuses excuses.

Stamets ,
@Stamets@lemmy.world avatar

Oh my God that was 8 years ago what the fuck

Ross_audio ,

Time to start the rejoin in only another 10 years or so I think. We’ll be voting on single market membership again before the decade is out I think.

tobbue ,

It’s incredible how that decision fucked the country for decades. One of the best examples why “direct democracy” does not guarantee good decisions just because it was the people’s choice.

Ross_audio ,

It wasn’t direct democracy though.

No member of the public ever voted on the legislation.

If the legislation has been put to the public and the referendum bound it to law I think it would have gone differently.

The vote relied people voting for their own version of Brexit vs. the status quo.

I’m not a fan of direct democracy by any means but Brexit isn’t an example of it.

tobbue ,

Ah, okay, so the referendum was just more like a consultation whether brexit should happen, but the badly done legislation came afterwards (which people probably wouldn’t have voted for)?

Ross_audio ,

Exactly.

People were simultaneously told different things by different people on what would happen of the country voted leave. A lot of it obviously false even at the time.

People might have known what they were voting for. But what they were voting for had no basis on what the government would actually do.

Then we had the prime minister who held the referendum resign.

A new prime minister is chosen in a private election amongst members of the conservative party (about 100,000 votes will do it normally but no one actually runs against them). This becomes a theme.

There is legislation passed which essentially puts a clock on the process. If nothing passes we’d just revoke laws and break treaties.

This was meant to scare the EU into giving us what we wanted. The EU was not overly concerned.

The government put some very shoddy legislation together. We got a pretty poor deal from the EU, well we were pretty desperate.

The government couldn’t pass that legislation

We had an election for a new government

The government lost seats and lost their majority

The government then joined with a religious extremist party in Northern Ireland to give them a majority.

The shoddy legislation becomes not only shoddy but also more extreme, It still can’t pass.

The prime minister is ousted by their own party.

We get a new prime minister.

They still haven’t decided on the legislation but they tell everyone what they want to hear.

We have an election

The government gets a big working majority

The shoddy extreme legislation, which we now know from first hand accounts the prime minister didn’t understand, still can’t pass.

The government literally breaks the law and closes parliament illegally to try and run the clock closer to the point where we take a bonfire to massive ammous of legislation.

The government are then forced back into the house by the courts

Eventually at the last moment a deal is passed. It’s really bad for the UK economy, and the UK in general.

The UK leaves the EU. Northern Ireland doesn’t. Well it sort of does.

COVID and Another 2 prime ministers later and Brexit deals are still being negotiated.

Essentially he EU has everything it needs. It’s protected the interests of bordering nations like the Republic of Ireland and France. The UK has increased friction on trade, labour issues.

The current big issue is that France no longer helps us stop people crossing the channel. That was an EU agreement. So our government, now spends it’s time and energy trying to deport people to Rwanda, breaking the entirely separate European Convention on Human Rights Churchill’s government basically wrote and passed after the second world war.

It’s worth noting that this government has had a vote share of 36.1% pre referendum in 2015 36.9% post referendum in 2017 42.4% post deadlock in 2019 (with the opposition getting 40%)

The conservative party got that lock in 2019 on 55% of the seats with 42.4% of the vote

Since then they’ve rotated people in and out of government to essentially do the bidding of the one who pays the most into their individual campaign funds against each other.

The government refuse to allow an election even while they’re essentially changing constantly.

We haven’t really got democracy in this country. We disenfranchise a lot of people through our electoral system by design. We concentrate power to a minority.

It’s a mess.

CAVOK ,

Brexit

To be fair to the French, they do try to stop the boats. For example: thelocal.fr/…/tighter-french-coast-patrols-in-pla…

However what went missing after Brexit was the Dublin convention where migrants could be turned back to the first EU country they entered, in this case France.

I think the government tried to negotiate a returns agreement with the french who basically just said “Non!” and that was it. There is a deal where the UK pays France to patrol their coastline and stop migrants however. I’m sure someone will correct me if I’m wrong about this last part.

Corkyskog ,

“You haven’t had a date since Brexit” was a funny burn I ehard once I remembered how long ago that was.

RGB3x3 ,

Okay, but it was only finalized in 2020. That’s probably why it feels like it hasn’t been that long.

kylian0087 ,

We are getting old eh?

dubyakay ,

Just shows that an eight year old iPhone is still reliable today, receives updates and the approved apps work perfectly fine on it!

BeardedGingerWonder ,

Does it?

dubyakay ,

Naw. The oldest supported model by IOS 17 is the XS/XR line from 2018 September. So only about 5.5 years.

However an X/XR/XS should still work very well today, maybe after a battery swap about three years in to keep a 80%+ capacity.

xavier666 ,

When I was your age, I was already 15

possiblylinux127 ,

Congratulations you made everyone feel old

woelkchen ,
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

Vote to rejoin.

hellfire103 OP ,
@hellfire103@sopuli.xyz avatar

I will as soon as the opportunity presents itself.

woelkchen ,
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

Every single election.

Appoxo ,
@Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I meant this comment more in regards to your lovely voting peers in the country you have to reside in.

Wish you best of luck rejoining the EU!

Kusimulkku ,

Reee kids get out

Vex_Detrause ,

Can Canada take UK’s spot?

uis ,
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

Can Russia? Asking for a friend. Obviously Putin relocates to Hauge.

deegeese , to technology in Fully working 270€ Nest Dropcam will no longer be supported.

If it needs someone’s cloud servers to function, you don’t really own it.

foggy ,

We need consumer protections here, though.

Like 10 year money back guarantee or something. If the device becomes unusable due to actions outside of the device owners control, those in control should be obligated to reimburse.

Not doing so opens the doors to racketeering.

ogmios ,
@ogmios@sh.itjust.works avatar

Not doing so opens the doors to racketeering.

That’s the idea.

foggy , (edited )

I mean I haven’t seen it yet but for a simple example, imagine a Netflix competitor that says you just buy the device for $5,000. One time purchase. Free ad-free tv forever.

Let’s say they get enough subscribers purchasers to profit by year 3.

Okay. Rug pull. Chapter 11. Sorry bye, thanks for all the fish.

cerement ,
@cerement@slrpnk.net avatar

or just install a rootkit on users’ computers …

variants ,

Wow I forgot about switchfoot

Sanctus ,
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

Holy shit that just gets worse as you read it. These companies have always acted with impunity, and always will.

kevincox ,
@kevincox@lemmy.ml avatar

I don’t think we need to set a global minimum date, but the manufacturer should have to put a date on the box. If they don’t support the device up to that date (including security updates and maintaining any required cloud services) then the consumer gets a full refund with possibly additional damages.

I think of it like the digital version of a nutrition facts table.

nekusoul ,
@nekusoul@lemmy.nekusoul.de avatar

Good idea. If we do this and also add some sort of positive label on devices that work locally and are interoperable it might start a positive feedback loop: More people become aware of the issue or simply want the device with the better label when choosing in a store, leading to more manufacturers producing more devices that aren’t cloud-dependent.

Right now I often see the opposite happening: Manufacturers who don’t even put on their packaging that their system is really just Zigbee under the hood for example.

kevincox ,
@kevincox@lemmy.ml avatar

Yeah. For sure. If your device doesn’t depend on a cloud service you can put that on your label and it is basically a gold star.

Although even local devices should get security updates. The radios and the firmware speaking the ZigBee protocol can have vulnerabilities.

SapphironZA ,

I vote for forced open sourcing of the server side components and communication protocols. That way people can create custom firmware or build support into generic NVRs

Feathercrown ,

Most customers would not be able to take advantage of this because they lack the skills to do so.

conciselyverbose ,

You don’t need every consumer to roll their own. If they’re obligated to provide server code, or an API, or whatever, stuff that sells at scale can be integrated into community projects. If you buy something obscure you might have issues, but you have options if you buy something mainstream and get the rug pulled.

Feathercrown ,

Right, but what I’m saying is how many people do you think will be able to track down the new open-source project and connect it to their hardware?

conciselyverbose ,

You don’t think it will be mentioned in any of the articles about the hardware being abandoned?

But community projects would very likely also allow third parties to provide services that handled the legwork for customers if they preferred as well.

Natanael ,

Because if the community solutions are good enough then half the articles about the shutdown will mention it

SapphironZA ,

Word does spread and if there are enough of a group, people will likely setup 3rd party hosting solutions around supporting abandoned abut functional products.

But the secondary effect is likely to be that companies support their products for much longer.

Feathercrown ,

If companies do that then it’s useful. Otherwise, open servers is a good thing, but is only a true solution for smart home hobbyists.

Serinus ,

Ten years really isn’t that long.

Hyperreality ,

Yeah.

This is why I bought myself some blink cameras. Obviously, privacy is shit (and I've factored this) and you're affectively forced to pay for use their cloud service, but at least the (initial) purchase price is cheap.

But I've 'bought' cameras for far more, only for them to hobble functionality a few years down the line. And they've had vulnerabilities or whatever.

For the sensitive stuff, I have a camera with an SD card, but obviously phone notifications is a big selling point of systems like this.

Kraven_the_Hunter ,

Amcrest. Cloud service is optional, you can self host with their equipment, or use industry standard Onvif to integrate with any 3rd party (self hosting) hardware and software.

wizzor OP ,

Yea… My current home automation is all local, but cameras are still an issue.

dai ,

I’ve got 3 cameras running on a vlan, with no access to the internet.

Frigate / Home Assistant + tail scale (want to move away from this service) let me see my cameras remotely, receive notifications from events and even look at events / stills on my watch.

I have some cheap 5mp Reolink camseras, not the best for frigate but get the job done.

Serinus ,

This is a good place to plug* Home Assistant .

That combined with Thread/Matter ensures I own my own stuff, and they don’t need to report to the cloud.

It’s still a little rough around the edges, but I’d rather deal with the frustrations of bleeding edge open source than to just have tech I’ve built into my house expire at some company’s whim.

Check out some screenshots of home assistant dashboards.

  • This is not an for profit advertisement. It’s all open standards, and you don’t have to give anyone a dime that you don’t want to. The whole point of this is to avoid vendor lock in and data collection. And to have your stuff keep working without internet.
ryan , to lemmyshitpost in Real talk

Real answer: these are actually real languages! They're just conlangs, or constructed languages, instead of natural languages. The major problem with conlangs generally ends up being the limited vocabulary, but the grammar foundations are usually solid.

I actually really like Klingon as a language because it was intentionally designed to be alien, and specifically to be very Klingon. Most languages are Subject-Verb-Object (like English and other Western languages) or Subject-Object-Verb (like Japanese or Hindi). Klingon, however, is Object-Verb-Subject - it's very direct with the emphasis placed on the target of the sentence, which makes sense with the Star Trek world and Klingon culture.

Fun fact, Klingon has at least one native speaker - some guy raised his daughter to speak Klingon as well as English. (I'm not a fan of this - on one hand, learning multiple languages from an early age is a huge leg up in being able to learn more languages in the future, but on the other hand Klingon is entirely useless as a primary language given its structure and the few other people who speak it.)

gibmiser ,

So klingons would like the song Hammer Smashed Face?

deegeese ,

Face, smashed by hammer.

Klear ,

Face, when the hammer fell

deegeese ,

Sokath, his eyes uncovered.

Alteon ,

I both absolutely hate this episode for how bizarre it is, and love it at the same time for how alien and unique it is.

I’m hard pressed to believe that a society could communicate on metaphors alone.

gramathy ,

No, that’s still subject-verb-object or at least adjective clause-noun depending on how it’s read (it should have a hyphen in that case but stuff like that gets left out a lot)

gibmiser ,

Guess I got my subject and object confused. Never paid much attention to sentence diagrams

joe_cool ,

qab ronmoh Mupwi’? Doesn’t really make sense if you don’t know who does the hammering…

Holyhandgrenade ,
@Holyhandgrenade@lemmy.world avatar

Man I bet Klingon death metal would be amazing

zewm ,
Holyhandgrenade ,
@Holyhandgrenade@lemmy.world avatar

Excellent.

MystikIncarnate ,

That can’t be right. I’ve never heard of a language called Dutch. That’s just something they print on some food labels to make them seem better.

/s for the dense.

arudesalad ,

I might be wrong, but isn’t German Subject-Verb-Object-Verb?

pankuleczkapl ,
@pankuleczkapl@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

The main verb is most often in the second position, the second verb you are referring to is a placeholder for an auxiliary verb that usually is a different form of a previously main verb

nikita ,

Even cooler, in my opinion, are languages that are even further outside of common indo european language paradigms, such as Navajo which uses degrees of animacy instead of grammatical gender and Basque which uses ‘focus’ and ‘topic’ to determine word order rather than subjects and objects.

Zagorath ,
@Zagorath@aussie.zone avatar

such as Navajo which uses degrees of animacy instead of grammatical gender

What makes their use of degrees of animacy not a use of grammatical gender? Keep in mind that even though it’s called “gender” because in European languages it usually maps in some way onto human sexual identity, linguistically speaking grammatical gender has nothing to do with human gender identity.

nikita ,

Good point. What I meant is that it’s different from grammatical gender typical of European languages as you defined it.

Grammatical gender is a bad name for such a general concept that goes beyond the social definition of gender. In fact, that term is a bit eurocentric.

Zagorath ,
@Zagorath@aussie.zone avatar

In fact, that term is a bit eurocentric

Yeah without a doubt it is. There are a few non-European languages that use a masculine/feminine grammatical split, including Arabic and Hebrew, but both masc/fem and masc/fem/neuter are hugely prevalent in European languages, and I doubt the term got its name from Arabic linguists.

I’ve just done some Googling and learnt that some people prefer the term “noun classes” rather than grammatical gender, especially when the classes are not based on human cultural genders. Other people make a distinction between what “noun classes” means and what “grammatical gender” is, using them for two different concepts. So apparently the term “grammatical gender” is not quite as uncontroversial within linguistics as I thought.

brbposting ,

Speers was also the only person who would speak Klingon to Alec and the boy never saw Star Trek during this experiment, so didn’t ever see anyone but his father speaking it. As everyone else spoke English, Speers stated when Alec was about three years old, “He stopped listening to me when I spoke in Klingon. It was clear that he didn’t enjoy it, and I didn’t want to make it into a problem, so I switched to English…”

Today the teenage Alec no longer is fluent in Klingon and reportedly can’t even pick out the meaning of individual words of the language.

Wow

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  • ryan ,

    Some of my earliest memories are watching The Next Generation with my parents. I never stood a chance! I was always destined to be 🤓

    SuddenDownpour ,

    Being knowledgeable is something worth mocking

    https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/534ddb6e-3d7b-47c3-86e8-0747fb4550a6.png

    Caveman moment

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  • anamethatisnt , to programmer_humor in What it's like to be a developer in 2024

    I definitely feel the pain when it comes to worthless results nowadays. Though in this case DDG comes through:

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/02dc8118-df81-43d1-bc0d-0efa8948659b.png

    Adding documentation to the search makes the “correct” page soar to the top:

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/8f04d558-523b-4ebb-ae8c-986c3241f2af.png

    abbadon420 ,

    Google is better as a verb than a search engine.

    pineapplelover ,

    I use “search” as a verb

    drathvedro ,

    Haha, nope. The links points to a table of contents after which you are on your own. The right link should point to a specific page instead, but the problem here is that postres docs are poorly optimized for search engines. If you click on the top link from google, you would see there’s a notice that the page is outdated, with a link to a current version, but said link is dead. It’s not an issue I’ve ever experienced with mysql docs for example.

    And yes, w3schools, despite how terrible it is, is still above the official docs because it is more popular with newbies. I remember a time when I just started, I preferred sites like it, because they were simple and on point, rather than technically correct and comprehensive like the official docs are. If you forgot the feeling, try learning math on wikipedia (assuming you don’t have a math degree).

    For the rest I cannot argue. Generated/AI shit is indeed ruining the internet and search engines giving up and joining them isn’t helpful either.

    anamethatisnt ,

    After which ctrl+f " in" takes you to the correct chapters. I do agree that a direct link would be more helpful.
    And for learning postgresql I agree it isn’t very helpful - using their tutorial links, w3schools or something like udemy if you prefer video format is the way to go in that use case.

    I remember back when you were told to learn to work with the documentation, not memorize it, because you will always have access to it as a reference. Maybe bookmarking reference books/documentation will make a come back as the search engines degrade.

    ramjambamalam ,

    Surely the word ‘in’ would appear countless times out of context on the table of contents.

    anamethatisnt ,

    " in" appears 25 times on the page to be exact, with 16 of those being in the table of contents and 9 being in the text afterwards.
    “in” appears 54 times, as you know end up hitting “string” and so on.

    Had I known that the functions table of contents was as short as it is I would probably have just scrolled.

    ramjambamalam ,

    This is partly why I prefer Firefox’s implementation of the find feature - it allows case-sensitive search while Chrome does not support it.

    drathvedro ,

    You can press alt-w though to only show full word matches

    barsquid ,

    Trying to learn math on Wikipedia is an endless Sisyphean nightmare just trying to understand the first word in an unfamiliar vocabulary.

    30p87 ,

    Kagi

    Kagi only lists postgresql.org for the first 10 entries, but outdated ones in first place. With the programming scope it collapses all official do s entries to one, with GH and SO filling the rest.

    For the quick answer, it also uses the ‘outdated’ docs as source, but as it only gives a very shallow overview there shouldn’t be any difference in version (i.e. it checks for a value in a list in all versions the same, and quick answer leaves out details specific to different versions)

    FoxyGrandpa , to lemmyshitpost in reddit

    More wholesomeness from Positivityman

    SomeBoyo ,

    Classic Positivityman

    someguy3 ,

    So positive he went off the scale just like Gandhi in civilization.

    dmMeYourNudes ,
    xx3rawr ,

    He is HIV-positive

    Lolman228 ,

    Now that's a wholesome 100 moment right there Keanu!

    topperharlie , to memes in No context

    The internet is wild, people spend most of their time in small echo chambers and they think that is the whole internet.

    MrScottyTay ,

    I mean, back when this was a meme the whole internet was like a single echo chamber, especially in the early days of YouTube and even more so prior.

    topperharlie ,

    hmmm… I’m pretty sure I’ve been around since before YouTube started and don’t have any idea, so I still think is the case.

    I think people tend to not understand how big internet is, even back then. This makes it difficult to know which memes really made it all the way to become THAT popular (and even those are not know by everyone, some people just don’t follow memes)

    DessertStorms ,
    @DessertStorms@kbin.social avatar

    I love how instead of "oh, I don't get this joke, oh well" you've gone directly to "these other people don't understand the internet as well as I do!!1"
    😂

    ElderWendigo ,

    The lesson was “your experience is not universal, other people have different experiences than you”. Your reading comprehension needs work, also you lack empathy, and project your own insecurities on to those around you.

    DessertStorms , (edited )
    @DessertStorms@kbin.social avatar

    Sure, whatever makes you feel better 😂

    Also - “your experience is not universal, other people have different experiences than you” is exactly what this person should have told themselves and moved on instead of replying and making it all about their experience not being universal, that's entirely my fucking point lmfao

    ElderWendigo ,

    Don’t you understand that you are in a discussion forum for discussing these things? “That’s entirely the fucking point lmfao.”

    Black_Gulaman ,
    @Black_Gulaman@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    *Adds another layer of discussion

    pjhenry1216 ,

    No. Because they're replying to someone claiming it was everyone's experience. They are not the same to anyone who understands the English language.

    systemglitch ,

    You need to take a step back from the Internet for a bit.

    pjhenry1216 ,

    Except the fact that the joke relies on the concept everyone would understand it. So not getting the joke undermines the joke as that was it's whole fucking point. It's literally trying to say a generalized idea of the internet and is objectively incorrect. It tried to do it in a funny way and objectively failed when the premise is laughably untrue.

    systemglitch ,

    Weird take. He never said that at all.

    systemglitch ,

    That would be me. The only thing I did back then was play video games. There was no web browsing unless it was for a game. I didn’t even know what a meme was until about ten years ago when I started using Reddit and branched out from gaming related themes.

    pjhenry1216 ,

    No. No it wasn't. I've been here since YouTube started and have never seen this. People thinking they're experience is everyone's experience is wild.

    gonzo0815 ,

    Had a colleague that told me about some memes with a gay porn star. He couldn’t grasp that I neither know the guy nor the memes. Allegedly they were all over the internet for years. I’ve never seen any of them since.

    This guy is a libertarian right wing incel, so I’m pretty sure our internet experiences are completely different.

    RagnarokOnline ,

    I mean, there is a shared experience for people who were online when things started. I remember Newgrounds, eBaum’s World, Nyan Cat, Epic Rap Battles of History, StumbleUpon.com.

    I imagine you also experienced some or most of that short list to some extent.

    pjhenry1216 ,

    Eh, maybe. While I am familiar with those things, I don't think I'd ever assume everyone my age and on the Internet would as well. Different strokes for different folks. Moreover, this didn't even take into account age at all. So not only did it appear to strike out with many of the same age, it'll likely strike out with most users who simply weren't on the Internet for that relatively small period of time.

    snooggums ,
    @snooggums@kbin.social avatar

    Eh, my mom was on the internet at that time and would know absolutely zero of those things because she didn't visit humor sites. I knew them because that is the stuff I looked for.

    Kind of like how most people watched MASH when it was the most popular show ever, but not everyone did.

    generalEdo ,

    Epic rap battles and stumbleupon were my lemmy back then. Spent so much time stumbling and found some very weird stuff.

    DragonTypeWyvern ,

    StumbleUpon was the Golden Age of the Internet, and like all Golden Ages ultimately destroyed by hubris.

    June ,

    Deeply offended at the lack of Homestar Runner in your list.

    Bene7rddso ,

    All I did on the Internet at that time was flash games and homework, later also “homework”

    scrubbles ,
    @scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech avatar

    We think of things like numa numa being everywhere, but can you believe there were people who didn’t see it at the time? Wild.

    graphite ,

    Ahh, yes. The golden era of usenet flaming.

    SnowdenHeroOfOurTime ,

    Yes let’s project our experience onto others

    Rusty ,

    I’ve been using Internet since late 90s and I have no idea what that is

    Da_Boom , to mildlyinfuriating in New cars are great...
    @Da_Boom@iusearchlinux.fyi avatar

    While I like driving. I hate all the shit modern car manufacturers put in modern cars. Sure they’re more efficient on fuel than older ones. But we should be able to have that without needing the car to be tracked and data collected, we have in the past.

    I feel like all these driver aids are also making people worse at driving. They need to do less, so they pay attention less.

    On top of that, can we ban touchscreens in cars? Physical buttons give physical feed back, you can feel for the button you want and press it without taking your eyes off the road. A touchscreen gives you none of that, and means you have to look away. It’s somewhat mitigated when they put buttons on the steering wheel, but not all buttons can fit in that spot.

    Sure some cars have google assistant, Siri or Alexa. But I actually get so frustrated when trying to tell my phone to navigate somewhere or just simply change the song. And that’s just the phone! The amount of times I have to pull over because it glitches out, or just fails to interpret some or all of what I’ve just said (sure it’s better than voice assistants used to be, but it still breaks regularly) is still too high. The amount of times I regularly tell it to do something, only to find it was still processing the activation voice command, and therefore was initialising the VA screen, and not listening to a word I said after the initial activation is infuriating.

    I love technology, but the technology has no place in cars if it detracts or distracts from the act and safety of actually driving the car.

    /Rant.

    HawlSera ,

    On top of that, can we ban touchscreens in cars? Physical buttons give physical feed back, you can feel for the button you want and press it without taking your eyes off the road. A touchscreen gives you none of that, and means you have to look away. It’s somewhat mitigated when they put buttons on the steering wheel, but not all buttons can fit in that spot.

    That’s, a damn good point.

    dhork ,

    Android Auto has a good interface for integrating its functions into a car touchscreen, but it’s not controlling anything “important”.

    I agree that all the traditional car controls should be actual knobs and buttons. I rented a car once and they gave me a Tesla, and I couldn’t stand how all the controls were behind its touchscreen. I never felt the need to buy a Tesla, but that one experience turned me off from them entirely.

    HawlSera ,

    The more I learn about Elon and how Teslas actually work, the more I feel justified in never falling for his hype train.

    redline23 ,

    Bruh, get a 2019+ Miata MX5. It solves 95% of what you are complaining about and it’s fun to drive.

    Da_Boom ,
    @Da_Boom@iusearchlinux.fyi avatar

    Nah, I don’t have the budget for that, and here in Australia even an NB MX5 is over 10K- I’m actually currently looking at a 08’ fiesta XR4 (in other parts of the world that’s the 2L fiesta ST)

    thoughtorgan ,

    I know what you’re saying. My '23 Audi a3 has all the things you would want to buttons instead of touch screen only.

    I have huge gripes with bad infotainment systems, only reason I bought this new car was because I have no issues with it. I’m coming from old American cars. All the benefits of physical buttons with tactile feedback while being way more fun to drive.

    StopSpazzing ,
    @StopSpazzing@lemmy.world avatar

    I agree. Let’s cut the middle man and force 100% automated driving. People can fuck in the back then with less likely to die than with humans with stupid cars without assistance driver aids. Driving is extremely dangerous and honestly I trust ai over other people (in USA).

    Da_Boom ,
    @Da_Boom@iusearchlinux.fyi avatar

    Nah, I don’t know if AI will ever be 100% perfect, and I don’t want to trust it fully. Ai is human built, and it’s my personal belief that humans aren’t perfect, so AI will therefore never be perfect.

    Also, you will always want a qualified driver to be able to take over should some part of the car sensor systems fail.

    Sensors, unlike humans have a tendency to fail quickly, sometimes instantly, and even AI and autopilot can behave erratically if it gets bad or false inputs from bad sensors.

    It’s like in a airliner, autopilot even though at this point is pretty much practically capable of flying a plane completely from takeoff to landing, there will always be at least pilots on duty in the cockpit in order to account for unforseen circumstances and failures, even if they never actually fly the plane normally.

    StopSpazzing ,
    @StopSpazzing@lemmy.world avatar

    Oh seems I wasn’t clear. Sentient AI should drive us. Give it 30 years and I bet it will be close to the outcome if not on the cusp.

    Da_Boom ,
    @Da_Boom@iusearchlinux.fyi avatar

    Even if we somehow manage to create a sentient AI, it will still have to rely on the information it receives from various sensors in the car. If those sensors fail, and it doesn’t have the information it needs to do the job, it could still make a mistake due to a lack of, or completely incorrect data, or if it manages to realise the data is erroneous it still could flatly refuse to work. I’d rather keep people in the loop as a final failsafe just in case that should ever happen.

    wabafee , (edited )

    I see your point on this but when should an sentient AI be able to decide for itself? What makes it different from a human by this point? Human, us rely on sensors too to react to the world. We make mistakes also, even dangerous one. I guess we just want to make sure this sentient AI is not working against us?

    Da_Boom ,
    @Da_Boom@iusearchlinux.fyi avatar

    That’s why it’s layers of security. Humans have a natural instinct - usually we can tell if our eyesight is getting worse. And any mistake we make is most likely due to us not noticing something or reacting in time, something that the AI should be able to compensate for.

    The only time where this is not true when we have a medical episode, like a grand Mal or something. But everyone knows safety is always relative. And we mitigate that by redundancies. Sensors will have redundancies, and we ourselves are also an additional redundancy. Heck we could also put in sensors for the occupants to monitor their vitals. There is once again a question of privacy, but really that’s all we should need to protect against that.

    A sentient AI, not counting any potential issues with its own sentience, would have issues with sudden failed or poorly maintained sensors. Usually when a sensor fails, it either zeros out, maxes out, or starts outputting completely erratic results.

    If any of these results look the same as normal results, they can be hard for the AI to tell. We can reconcile those sensors with our own human senses and tell if they failed. A car only has its sensors to know what it needs to know, so if it fails, will it be able to know? Sure sensor redundancy helps, but there is still that minor chance that all the redundant sensors fail in a way that the AI cannot tell, and in that case the driver should be there to take over.

    Again I will refer to the system of an aircraft, as even if it’s a 1 in a billion chance there have been a few instances where this has happened and the autpilot nearly pitched the plane into the ground or ocean, and the plane was only saved due to the pilots takeover - in one of those cases it was due to a faulty sensor reporting that the angle of attack was too steeply pitched up, so the stick pusher mechanism tried to pitch the nose down, to save the plane, when infact it already was down. An autopilot, even an AI one will have no choice to trust its sensors as that’s the only mechanism it has.

    When it come to a faulty redundant sensor, the AI also has to work out which sensor to trust, and if it picks the wrong one, well you’re fucked. It might not be able to work out which sensor is more trustworthy…

    We keep ourselves safe with layered safety mechanisms and redundancy, including ourselves. So if anyone fails, the other can hopefully catch the failure.

    wabafee ,

    Wow, I appreciate the response must have taken awhile to write.

    cm0002 ,

    AI doesn’t need to be perfect, it just needs to be better than your average human driver. Which, you know isn’t a very high bar…

    Comparing to an airplane pilot isn’t the same, a pilot goes through years of training to be able to fly passengers (Well beyond a dinky Cessna or whatever anyways) and you need years of experience on top before you are even considered by the big airlines

    A human driver can get a license in as little as a few days

    fuckwit_mcbumcrumble ,

    Or hear me out… What if we had really long cars, sometimes chained together, put them on rails, and have just 1 human drive hundreds of them.

    bleistift2 ,

    A touchscreen gives you none of that, and means you have to look away

    That’s the reason why I don’t like listening to music on smart phones. Want to skip a track? Fish the phone out of your pocket, turn the screen back on, find the skip button, tap it, wait a second until the garbage app acknowledges that you’ve pressed it, turn off screen, put it back.

    While on my 2000’s phone it’s just pressing one of the physical buttons.

    dan ,
    @dan@upvote.au avatar

    Want to skip a track? Fish the phone out of your pocket, turn the screen back on, find the skip button, tap it, wait a second until the garbage app acknowledges that you’ve pressed it, turn off screen, put it back.

    I had a HTC Touch Pro smartphone 15 years ago, and it had an optional headphone cable with buttons on it. You could use the buttons for pause/play, next track, and previous track, without having to get the phone out of your pocket.

    I never really saw something like that again for wired headphones. I did sometimes see headphones with buttons on the headphones themselves, but often they just have play/pause.

    fuckwit_mcbumcrumble ,

    The cable for Android devices are standardized. The car could have that built in

    szczuroarturo ,

    Bluetooth earbuds today have this feature. Havent met any headphones that do this but it might have also been a gesture

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