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mortrek ,

Oh… I thought this was satirical about gender or something. Not literally saying that those are the two best screws, because NOBODY IN THE WORLD THINKS THAT.

SSUPII OP ,

I remember the original image did pick on genders considering cis male and female as the only “acceptable” ones

This version is better

captain_aggravated ,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

Factually incorrect.

Torx and Square/Robertson are superior, Hex/Allen and Phillips are allowed a seat on this council but not granted the rank of master, Posidriv is theoretically Phillips++ but only to the six people in the world that know what it is and own a Posidriv screwdriver, to everyone else it’s that goddamn Phillips that keeps camming out. JIS is parallel universe Phillips, it’s exactly as reasonably okay as Phillips is for identical reasons, the biggest problem is that they exist alongside and closely resemble Phillips screws. Everything else except slotted is a mental disorder, and slotted was dropped on its head as a child.

ForgotAboutDre ,

Posidrive is very common in the UK. Especially in trades. They are so common screwdriver sets will include posi and slotted with no Philips. Philips is still common in electronics.

Posidrive is much better than Phillips, but just as easy to quickly screw lots of things. Torx and hex take longer to align and have many more sized drive ends. Posidrive has three sizes and 90% of them are number 2. But if you need more torque then they are no good. But at that point you need to switch to a different tool like an impact or wrench.

A washing machine I recently had to repair had three different sizes of torx and it isn’t obvious which one till you test fit. Posidrive is easy to identify the size by eye and many different screw diameters share the same posi head. Coupled with self alignment they are just more convenient. I have Robertson bits from multipacks but never needed them.

captain_aggravated ,
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Phillips has been such a standard for so long in the United States I don’t think it’s going anywhere, and Pozidriv has made basically no inroads; in fact the only Posidriv screws I own are part of an E3D 3D printer extruder.

I encounter a LOT of Phillips heads, quite a lot of Torx, at least here in America a lot of carpentry screws are starting to standardize on T25 Torx drive. A lot of them include a T25 driver bit in the package, and they are SO much better than Phillips. Drywall screws are still commonly #2 Phillips. Pocket screws (washer headed wood screws) tend to be square drive for whatever reason. Machine screws are either Phillips or Allen. I find a lot of appliances held together with small external hex sheet metal screws, if not Phillips.

I bought a 50 piece bit kit and it came with no less than 8 #2 Phillips drivers.

DaBabyAteMaDingo ,

Holy hell the entirety of Lemmy just exposed themselves as retarded jobless people.

Six lobe, or torx, is fucking awesome when screwing in serious screws. It’s the reason why it replaced all philips and most hex heads.

Slotted screws are the fucking worst. You guys have never worked a blue collar job in your lives 🤣😂😭

JamesTBagg ,

My first thought was, “this post brought to you by not mechanics.” Otherwise they’d recognize the superiority of hex and torx over Philips and especially flat. But then I realized this is, in fact, a very shit post.

DaBabyAteMaDingo ,

You know, I made the comment and seconds later I noticed my blunder. But I refused to edit or delete it because I’m standing on bidness.

SSUPII OP ,

My post is bait

JamesTBagg ,

And good bait at that. You’ve snagged us all.

getynge ,

six lobe and it’s variants are instruments of the devil, I swear I can’t ever get the screw size right for the life of me and get so paranoid about stripping screws.

Aeri ,
@Aeri@lemmy.world avatar

Personally I wish we could eliminate flathead screw.

greedytacothief ,

I think it has its place in things that need to be fixed in the field where you may not have access to a screwdriver. Other than that they kinda suck

RememberTheApollo_ ,

Half dozen or so of them are just slot or phillips with extra shit, no weird tools needed.

gnygnygny ,

Tri-wing is the best ! Never saw it before.

UnfortunateShort ,

Everyone who does not want torx and nothing but torx has never screwed torx screws.

A_Random_Idiot ,

Honestly, I dont understand why everything isnt square drive.

its simple, and its a pretty strong design that resists camming out and rounding off.

Acters ,

Some claim to have stripped Robertson screws but to be fair, the metal used and amount of torque the peson applies is the biggest reason for problems.

Phillips heads were supposed to solve the over torquing problem, but everyone didn’t listen to standard specifications and didn’t bother using them as they were meant to be made and used. The Philips head was supposed to slip once the correct torque was applied. Unfortunately, this positive benefit became a negative. With poor metals and a mismatched driver bit to screw head along with not using the screw head that was meant for the specified torque demands, the Phillips screw became known for stripping.

Trying to implement non overtorquing feature to the square bit and you will find how similar it will look to the Phillips head.

Right now, Torx is the best at not stripping, but good luck if the screw is overtorqued. Eventually, the cheap metal gives out with the screw head, or bit, snapping off.

ForgotAboutDre ,

This is a common misconception. Phillips was not supposed to solve over torquing. It was designed to allow higher torques, stop slipping and self centre. It was only really good at self centering.

A screw designed to stop it being over toqured is a terrible idea. The screw should be smaller to prevent if higher torque is needed. If over torque is an issue then reducing the power to the driver is a much better solutio (easily done in industrial setting Phillips was designed for). You can also reduce the size of the screwdriver supplied.

ikidd ,
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Fuck large format torx that are exposed to the element. I just weld a nut on them now and pound them out with an impact because you’ll break 2 torx bits for every one bolt you’d get out.

Aux ,

Torx are cancer.

jadedwench ,

No thanks. I will stick to my torx and hex, and they better be in metric.

  • Don’t use over or undersized screwdrivers, especially on smaller electronics.
  • Stop torquing while you are still ahead.
  • Be especially careful if the metals are soft.
  • Keep your driver perpendicular. Better drivers can make this easier.
  • Better to back out the screw and try again if it isn’t going in smooth on something threaded. Check for debris and burrs. If you need to apply more pressure, do so carefully.
  • I have found that for small stuff, getting nicer drivers makes a huge difference.

Penta-lobes for some of the small electronics are funny I guess, but they don’t bother me as long as I have a bit for it. Main thing is to understand why some of these different shapes exist.

captain_aggravated ,
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Torx doesn’t come in standard/metric. It uses an arbitrary system. What’s so “25” about a T25?

jadedwench ,

Ah yes, the head size follows their iso standard for it. The threads, however, can be metric or SAE. You can put a different screw/bolt with whatever head in the same hole, but the threads/diameter can be metric or SAE/imperial.

Zink ,

I submit that every screw in the world should be the six lobe slotted. For the stuff that’s not tamper-resistant, anyway.

You have the six lobe for actually building things, because fuck Phillips head screws, and the slot for convenience where you could use anything from a coin to a knife.

Here in the US, certain brands of deck screws for outdoor use are six lobe and they come with the driver bit in the box because everybody has the damn Phillips and flat head screwdrivers! But to be fair, if you have a bunch of tools you probably also have a set of torx drivers.

Skkorm , (edited )

Translated into Albertan:

Slotted = Flathead. Square = Robertson. 6 lobe = Torx

jtk ,
@jtk@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Slotted can go straight to hell before all others.

FryHyde ,

Cue all the Canadians pretending anyone gives a shit about their goofy chamfered square deck screws.

Taniwha420 ,

I don’t know what you’re talking about. They’re naturally superior.

kamen ,

Joke aside, curious about what the percentage distribution is on those. I won’t be surprised if the first two together have like 90% or more.

Hagdos ,

Depends on where you live. Here in Europe Pozidrive is slowly being replaced by six-lobe. Flatheads and Phillips are only on ancient stuff

Revan343 ,

Fuck Phillips screws

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

If they aren’t made of material that is so easy to strip, they give you a lot more purchase than flat-heads.

Revan343 ,

They are specifically designed to cam out at high torque.

Robertson screws are where it’s at

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