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evergreen ,

Oh no! That’s almost six minutes worth of revenue!

evergreen ,

It would very much be our problem because then we’d have a nation with fealty to Putin/Russia right on our doorstep.

evergreen ,

Ive never seen any credible evidence of an actual transfer of funds to Stein from Russia, but there is definitely evidence that they support her in order to siphon votes from the Democratic candidate. U.S. elections affect the entire world and it is no surprise that enemies of the U.S. are going to use every resource they can to alter the results in their favor.

nbcnews.com/…/russians-launched-pro-jill-stein-so…

www.intelligence.senate.gov/…/Report_Volume2.pdf

evergreen ,

Sure but if we fail to succeed, which is highly likely, then we get to plunge the country into fascism, y’all qaeda style sharia law, aiding and abetting Putin, etc. I’m sure you’ve heard it all though.

evergreen ,

Paying for the privilege of using AI to sift through the vast bleak sea of AI generated garbage. What a time to be alive!

evergreen ,

Hillary is a downer cuck that needs to stfu and gtfo. Nobody cares what she has to say. She’s done enough. Please just fuck off and go make some insider trades or something.

evergreen ,

I read that the thing about them being designed to strip to prevent worse failure is just a myth. Or at least they weren’t originally designed to. It said that the original patent never contained any feature for that. Wouldn’t surprise me though if modern companies do use screws designed to strip to prevent disassembly/repair.

evergreen ,

I’m seeing a lot of people here claiming that the Philips head was originally designed to cam out/strip to prevent a transfer of force sufficient to twist the head off. While I agree this does sound logically plausible, I could find no reference to such features in the original patent: …storage.googleapis.com/…/US2046837.pdf 🤷‍♂️

evergreen , (edited )

I agree. The vast majority of people don’t know the difference, and have never used a pozidriv driver with a pozidriv screw. It is a vast improvement imo.

evergreen ,

Yeah, I’ve had hex strip before as well. It’s always been on the smaller sizes for me though at least. Like sub M3 or 1/8" ish. And of course, cheap hex keys are just asking for it at those sizes. On the other hand, I’ve definitely never had a torx head strip out on me.

evergreen , (edited )

There are low profile hex heads that exist for that same purpose though. Pretty much no need nowadays for slotted heads, except at very small scale.

evergreen ,

Nobody uses hub motors on production EVs yet as far as I’m aware due to the much higher unsprung mass this creates. That is to say it is a bunch more weight flopping around on the opposite end of the suspension from the frame. This leads to handling, ride quality and reliability issues. Rivian does at least use a 4 motor system though.

evergreen ,

There are so many details which are being thrown out here in order for you to lump those two quotes and events together like that and call them the same. I’m no genius at reading comprehension and even I can see that! I think you need to spend an additional 5 minutes reading about the two wars, and then some.

evergreen ,

Vegeta, what’s his MHz level?

evergreen ,

“This is competition for my product that costs taxpayers billions!”

evergreen ,

It would if you ate enough of it, no? May be hard not to vomit though, ugh.

evergreen ,

Oh ok that makes sense.

evergreen ,

I dated a woman who said Adam’s Apples were one of her favorite features on a man. I wouldn’t say it was to the point of being a full blown fetish, but definitely something that she paid attention to. If I had to guess, I’d say she’s probably not the only one out there that feels that way.

evergreen ,

One of the strangest fetishes I’ve heard about was from a dude I used to work with. He told me he was into watching girls eating hamburgers. Especially when they take a big bite. He really emphasized that part to me. I feel bad because I remember struggling to keep a straight face and this guy just wanted to open up to me about something he normally hides. Ugh

evergreen ,

Haha true about it seeming pretty wholesome. Yeah I definitely wasn’t judging him, it was just so random. But I would have felt awful if he thought I was judging him. Luckily I don’t think he did, because he went on for another minute or so about it.

evergreen ,

Oh man, I wonder if that’s how it started! I remember those, with the hot girl devouring the messy burgers. Lol

evergreen ,

Lol of all people, you’re pinning this on Kamala Harris? Wasn’t she a prosecutive attorney before she was DA? Wtf did she do that “made it like this”?

evergreen ,

Yes.

evergreen ,

Thank you for actually answering this. This answered a lot of questions for me. I actually work in a nasty part of the SOMA district of SF and have seen stuff there that I will never forget. 3 ODs have happened outside of my work while I was there so far. I’ve opened the door to leave and had somebody unconscious just fall in. A 16 year old girl’s corpse was defiled after she died from an OD down the alley. People screaming covered in feces and peeling off their own skin. Some of my smaller coworkers have been harassed and chased when trying to enter the building. I’ve talked to some of the addicts there of course, and many of them have told me they don’t care if they die. Most of them are not bad people, just mentally ill and disabled. Some of them definitely get the free needles but they all use outside. There is a needle disposal box around the corner and I’ve actually seen people breaking it open to steal the needles multiple times…

It just seems like none of this stuff works and we are all bending over backwards to cater to them, and then they end up dying anyway. Many of them are severely mentally ill or damaged from the drugs and it’s pretty obvious that they are never going to be anything near functional ever again. It’s like letting a 4 year old kid in an adult body addicted to opiates just go out on to the street to fend for themselves. They are not going to make choices that are beneficial to them in the long run, they’ve literally lost that ability.

After years of putting up with this stuff, I think your average person in the city just gets to the point where they’ve had enough, and people end up voting to try something else.

evergreen ,

So it sounds like that’s a yes then. Keep them on drugs and just hope. Hope that they change, all while their minds and bodies are actively being destroyed and whittled down by the drugs, and the Honduran gangs in SF gain money and power… This just doesn’t seem to be sustainable. There is a seemingly endless supply of people coming here from all over the country who are addicted to this stuff, and it really fees like it’s turning parts of the city into a zombie land. Many people in this city, especially those that live and work in these areas are just fed up. And the votes reflect that.

evergreen ,

You’re right, definitely couldn’t hurt to have some Narcan around. I’ve called 911 when I see people that look like they’re in danger, and the emergency services have come pretty quick each time. Many of them tend to use in tents, or place covers over themselves though. This makes it pretty difficult to tell if they’re ok. Its very common to see people completely passed out but not dead. You can usually tell if they’re actually danger by their skintone. Purple/blueish = bad.

Yeah I wish more cities in this country could devote the same amount of resources that SF devotes to these issues. Many of the addicted people I’ve talked to are actually from out of state, particularly red states. It shouldn’t be up to certain cities to take most of the burden of this national problem, but it seems like that’s what is happening. Income inequality is definitely out of control and I agree it seems to be a huge factor in pushing people into these situationss. Multi billionaires just should not exist when we have shit like this happening to to our people.

evergreen ,

That’s what happens when you ask questions that people don’t want to answer I guess. 🤷‍♂️

evergreen ,

Yeah, it’s like “Hey, look at the great improvement to my life since I’ve started taking 15 oxys per day! Everyone should be doing this!”

Recreational use is one thing, but continuous, institutionally backed dependence is a whole different ballgame.

evergreen ,

If there’s no way for them to hurt themselves or others, then yes, I say let them buy whatever they want. But what about when those drugs not only are hurting them, but are toxically hurting the same society that gave them the money in the first place? What if they are no longer able to make sound decisions for themselves due to severe mental illness?

If I’m a bartender and I see somebody getting way too intoxicated, to the point they are hurting themselves or others, should I keep serving them more drinks? Or even buy them more myself? Hey man, here’s your car keys and a drink! Have a good night!

FYI, there actually is a tax on sugary sodas in this city… because too much can be harmful for everyone.

evergreen ,

Because it’s a much more destructive drug, in a completely different state and city, with completely different demographics, political climate, and education level? 15 years into the future?

evergreen ,

Thank you! People here getting all riled up without even reading the damn article. What else is new?

evergreen ,

I think the argument for whether it is morally acceptable to supply someone with drugs, substances, weapons, or whatever else it is that that can kill them or others is always going to be a tough call, and we can sit here on it until the cows come home and still be in the same place honestly.

If you read the article though, it says that the measure doesn’t even stop them from receiving the funds, even if they are still using. They can literally use and won’t stop receiving receiving the funds, as long as they are open to treatment options.

evergreen ,

Yes. That’s literrally what the measure says. That’s what we voted for.

evergreen ,

Uh, where are you seeing that? That’s not part of the measure, as far as I can tell.

voterguide.sfelections.org/…/measure-f

evergreen , (edited )

Oh I see. When you said paychecks, I thought you were referring to the welfare checks, and that they will still receive them even while using. That is what I said that the measure provides for.

And no, it doesn’t apply to money earned from working at a job because the money people earn at their jobs is not taxpayer money being given with the intent to help someone get back on their feet, like welfare is.

evergreen ,

If they don’t get help to stop, they eventually progress to a point where they are definitely not using for fun. They have no choice anymore. They have one goal and that is to be high at any cost. I work in a part of SF where there are a lot of them and the things I see them go through are horrendous. It feels like watching state sanctioned torture. They are literally being left to rot. I know two people that have lost a loved one to fentanyl and it really is heartbreaking.

evergreen ,

Jeez yeah thankfully I’ve never had to experience fent myself. I did get some Molly one time that was cut with meth, and that was a huge eye opener for me… different drug but still.

I do know the back story to one of the victims. He was just a dude that got caught up in the party scene too much. Was always using more and more as time went on. People even told him he was going to die someday. Sure enough, he had another party at his place, and in the early morning, people found him lying on the floor of his room, partially in a closet, dead. Fentanyl OD.

As if that wasn’t bad enough, some of the people came back and took shit from his house after they learned he died. Ugh

I have spoken to some on the street though that did indeed get hooked originally from a pain script. It’s definitely a thing.

evergreen ,

Yeah and sure, its a fair point. Honestly curious though, do you think we should just cut out the middle man drug lords then and just provide the addicted with the fent directly? Like just consider it part of the welfare if that’s what they want? Why force them to deal with with stuff that can be cut, adulterated, or what have you?

evergreen ,

I only mentioned drug lords because, well, theyre just another obstacle between the addicted and the thing they’re addicted to. May as well remove it, and give them a guaranteed quality product. I’d be 100% on board for treating their chronic pain issues. Nobody should have to live with that and I agree, it’s a factor that could lead to them returning to using again.

I just wonder though, what happens if they want more than you can give them? How do you wean them off? Is the goal to even wean them off? What stops them from just going somewhere else and buying more than what you give them?

evergreen ,

No I don’t think that and I never said that. Please don’t try and put words in my mouth.

To be blunt, I think that the people in California, today, are much better equipped to take on this issue than the people in Florida were 15 years ago.

evergreen ,

Read the article:

Breed’s office has said the measure was intentionally designed to be flexible on the treatment component. Treatment options could range from out-patient services to a prescription for buprenorphine, a medication used to treat addiction. They noted it doesn’t include a requirement for participants to remain sober, recognizing that people often lapse in recovery and shouldn’t be kicked out of the program for a slip-up.

evergreen ,

From the article:

Breed’s office has said the measure was intentionally designed to be flexible on the treatment component. Treatment options could range from out-patient services to a prescription for buprenorphine, a medication used to treat addiction. They noted it doesn’t include a requirement for participants to remain sober, recognizing that people often lapse in recovery and shouldn’t be kicked out of the program for a slip-up.

evergreen ,

From the article:

Breed’s office has said the measure was intentionally designed to be flexible on the treatment component. Treatment options could range from out-patient services to a prescription for buprenorphine, a medication used to treat addiction. They noted it doesn’t include a requirement for participants to remain sober, recognizing that people often lapse in recovery and shouldn’t be kicked out of the program for a slip-up.

evergreen ,

Oh man he really showed me, by putting more words in my mouth… lol. I’m not going to wrestle with a pig here, Adolf! Enjoy your internet forum mud slinging battles!

evergreen ,

SF has cops? Jk but yeah, Its so obvious that the people making comments like that don’t live here. The rage bait is strong with this topic for sure.

evergreen ,

Seriously. Who the fuck is up voting this completely detached from reality shit? This is honestly a really bad look for Lemmy. It reminds me of “The_Donald” subreddit from back in the day. Different end of the political spectrum but behaving pretty similar.

evergreen ,

Did Florida’s law provision for treatment options? If not, then maybe it really isn’t the same “stupid easy-sounding solution”. I think that if you should take some time to read the article and understand the measure that was voted on, before you call the entire population of California as dumb as that of Florida…

From the article:

Breed’s office has said the measure was intentionally designed to be flexible on the treatment component. Treatment options could range from out-patient services to a prescription for buprenorphine, a medication used to treat addiction. They noted it doesn’t include a requirement for participants to remain sober, recognizing that people often lapse in recovery and shouldn’t be kicked out of the program for a slip-up.

evergreen ,

What if the dude was so stressed out by all of this he just said fuck it, I’m done, and blew his brains out?

I’m not saying I think this is true any more than I think Boeing had him killed. Just providing it as a plausible motive for suicide to show that we really need more information to be revealed from a proper investigation before we attach ourselves to assumptions.

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