[Mega thread] - Biden ends bid for presidency

retrospectology , 6 hours ago (edited 2 hours ago)

Good. So long Genocide Joe.

Edit: To the neoliberals downvoting this, this is what your denial is supporting. Joe Biden is pro-genocide and so is anyone who supports him. There’s not even a practical reason to support him at this point, which is very telling to anyone still defending him.

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Fuck zionism. And fuck anyone who thinks Biden is a “good guy” or moral by any stretch of the word.

PythagreousTitties , 5 hours ago

You’re incredibly short sighted. Anyone from both parties is still going to insure Israel is an ally.

retrospectology , 5 hours ago

Israel is a client of the US, not vice versa. Turkey occupies the same geographic space. The propping up the Israel is an ideological policy by the right-wing, not a meaningful geopolitical one for our nation.

audiomodder , 3 hours ago

Technically true. The clients of Israel are US politicians through AIPAC.

Perfide , 2 hours ago

What is your point? Trump is even more gung-ho about supporting Israel than Biden was, and whoever replaces Biden will certainly take his stance on the issue. There is no pro-palestine candidate even in the conversation.

retrospectology , 2 hours ago

What is your point? Trump is even more gung-ho about supporting Israel than Biden was

No, I’m rejecting this notion outright. Nothing about what we see in Gaza indicates that Biden is any less “gung ho” about the slaughter. Israel is operating without limits. Basically everyone in the democratic party, whether they are pro-Israel or not, is still to the left of Biden on the issue. Even Harris pretty deliberately distanced herself from Biden on this because even she saw how bad this was going to be.

Biden is being forced to step down in no small part because his zionism has made him unelectable. The polls in Michigan that just came out were quite literally the straw that broke the camels back here. Whether Dems continue being pro-Israel or not, the lesson from the Biden presidency is still that voters have a hard limit.

keyez , 5 hours ago

And possibly hello convicted felon, rapist, racist, Putin/Orban boot licker, veteran hater, who has had everyone remotely competent who’s previously worked for him leave and say what a horrible person he is to the presidency elect. Or sorry does that not rhyme as well?

retrospectology , 5 hours ago

Biden was going to lose to Trump. So from both a moral and pragmatic perspective, it’s good he’s gone. You might be pro-bombing Palestinian children, you do you, but if you want a Dem president, this is the only way. It just so happens to also be a referendum on Biden’s zionism.

FlyingSquid , 5 hours ago

Oh I’m sure you’ll be talking about “Genocide Kamala” and telling us not to vote for her soon enough.

retrospectology , 5 hours ago

She at the every least had the decency to distance herself from Joe’s fanaticism when he started giving his full-throated support for the genocide. She’s still culpable, but represents a step in the right direction, away from right-wing extremism.

keyez , 5 hours ago

I’m pro cease fire and don’t claim to know much on the topic, but neither side is doing the right thing from reports and what I’ve heard. This one moniker to show how bad Biden is is just so lazy and misinformed since nobody who will get elected on either side is going to do the right thing but please keep posting that on all Biden threads you seem to be an expert we can all learn from.

retrospectology , 5 hours ago

You’re not pro-ceasefire if you think this is a “bothsides” issue. Israel has all the power. You know how you can tell without being an “expert”? Just look at the skeletal, starved, mutilated bodies of the children in Gaza and compare it to what’s going on in Tel Aviv. Go look at the images from Gaza and try to tell me with a serious face it’s “bothsides”.

No. Joe is a genocide supporter, and so are those who make excuses for him.

ImADifferentBird , 5 hours ago

Trump is Bibi’s bestie. There is absolutely no way on Earth he would do a damn thing to end the genocide. In fact, he’ll happily cheerlead it, without even the token hand-wringing we get from Biden.

Hell, I would say Biden was the better candidate from a pro-Ceasefire stance, since, at the very least, he is vulnerable to pressure from the left to push for a ceasefire. Trump is not.

Zaktor , 4 hours ago

Yes, and now we don’t have to choose between genocide hard and genocide light. Harris (or whoever) can come in with a generic pro-peace two-state message rather than defending the decision to send Israel big bombs for months. He’s off the ticket, you don’t need to argue that he’s bad but better than Trump anymore. The new candidate can just be not a genocide supporter.

retrospectology , 4 hours ago

Trump and Biden are both pro-genocide, yes, though Biden should be held accountable by democrat standards, not republican ones. It’s about the party principles in terms of those too, Biden had to pay a price for his fanaticism.

But I was talking about Israel and Palestine/Gaza.

ImADifferentBird , 4 hours ago

But I was talking about Israel and Palestine/Gaza.

Who did you think I was talking about when I said Trump was Bibi’s bestie?

For future reference, Bibi is Benjamin Netanyahu. And if you don’t know that, you should probably educate yourself a bit more before talking about Israel and Palestine/Gaza.

PythagreousTitties , 3 hours ago

Ohhhhh that’s what you were talking about about… We all missed that…

ShepherdPie , 4 hours ago

In what way is Biden vulnerable to pressure from the left? What are they going to impeach him? The party hasn’t listened to those of us on the left in decades.

keyez , 11 minutes ago

I’m not making excuses for him but guess I see no betterment if repugs are in charge again, Ukraine situation will probably get worse as well, and I’m more worried about what more will happen with a project 2025 riddled future and stripping away of regulations and further ignoring of climate change and action. I am well aware of what’s going on in Gaza and it needs to stop, but I know which devil will be a major net worse for the future of humanity and I’m going to vote against that future which is a blue vote.

ShepherdPie , 4 hours ago

All this is true and Biden was still projected to lose to him, which says a lot about who the party leaders are grooming for the office. You should direct your anger at them not the people who’re having these terrible candidates foisted upon us. Imagine if they’d actually picked a likeable candidate back in 2016 and relegated Trump to the simple laughing stock that he is.

keyez , 10 minutes ago

I was volunteering and telling everyone I knew to vote Bernie in 2016 for the primary but the DNC fucked everyone by just casting him aside. Because of that I didn’t vote in 2016 and multiple things in my life got demonstrably worse right in front of my eyes and I’m not making that mistake again.

VanillaBean , 4 hours ago

Don’t forget insurrectionist treasonous mutherfucker

VanillaBean , 4 hours ago

Lmao wait until Trump gives Netanyahu the green light to erase Palestine. Got what you wanted I guess. Hope you are prepared to do some more protesting, oh wait he will probably throw you lot in jail or deport for protesting unlike Biden. Reap what you sow.

retrospectology , 3 hours ago

Netanyahu already got the greenlight. Anyone who’s been paying attention to what’s happening in Gaza would know that.

There is no difference between Trump and Biden when it comes to their support of genocide. Biden is not more “moderate”, he’s fully onboard and has provided everything Netanyahu needs to continue his war crimes. The difference is Biden is a democrat, which means that he needs to be held to democrat standards, not republican ones. If he’s not then the party is functionally the same as the GOP and pretending there’s a difference is pointless.

gmtom , 2 hours ago

I remember being young and naive and thinking everything in the world was simple, easy and black and white.

One day you will grow up and see how foolish shortsighted you are being.

retrospectology , 2 hours ago

And now you’re old, condescending and accepting of genocide. Hope I’m never like you.

MaXimus421 , 1 hour ago

You must realize that just like Reddit, this sub is far left leaning. It’s pointless to post anything that goes against the echo chamber.

retrospectology , 4 minutes ago

The left is not in support of Israel. While it’s true that there isn’t much of a MAGA/nazi element on Lemmy like on Reddit, there is a fairly large neoliberal demographic. As well as a growing contingency of Israeli, Russian, and Chinese bots as those groups realize that Lemmy is growing as reddit continues to wane.

nl4real , 6 hours ago

It’s finally over. Now get in someone who can beat Trump.

Montagge , 5 hours ago

Who exactly?

Qkall , 5 hours ago

yeah… i don’t think harris is the answer…

girlfreddy , 5 hours ago

If Harris is in, she can use the money already donated. Otherwise they have to start from scratch.

So it’s almost guaranteed Harris will be in. Who they pick for VP is the question.

PythagreousTitties , 5 hours ago

Can they still keep her as VP and put someone else on as prez?

dhork , 5 hours ago

Harris/Whitmer is my bet

ricecake , 5 hours ago

On the one hand: “you can’t have her she’s ours!”. On the other, she’s out in 26 regardless, and she’s pretty good so maybe we can share with the rest of the country.

Qkall , 5 hours ago

I just don’t think she can beat big orange. I’m not saying she shouldn’t … but I don’t know … doubtful

mosiacmango , 5 hours ago

He was a prosecutor for years, so she has plently of oratory chops, and shes 20 years younger than trump to boot.

Her only liability is the she is a she and there are plently of sexist fucks out there. Thats it.

alquicksilver , 5 hours ago

You forgot that she’s a POC and there are also tons of racists fucks out there.

Even before getting to her actual credentials (some great, others really not), people will be assholes. I still have hope that she, as a former prosecutor, could mop the floor with the fascists.

Zaktor , 4 hours ago

On the plus side, racist and sexist heavily overlap.

Emperor , 5 hours ago

July 11th poll:

Americans divide 46-47% between Biden and Trump if the election were today, almost identical to a 44-46% ABC/Ipsos poll result in April. Among registered voters (though there’s plenty of time to register) it’s an absolute tie, 46-46%.

Were Vice President Kamala Harris to replace Biden as the Democratic nominee, vote choices are 49-46%, Harris-Trump, among all adults (and 49-47% among registered voters). Harris’ 49% is slightly better than Biden’s 46%, although she doesn’t have a statistically significant lead over Trump.

Also possibly key:

Both candidates [Biden and Trump] face a high degree of scorn. About 4 in 10 Americans say neither has the mental sharpness or the physical health to serve effectively, and as many say neither is honest and trustworthy. Sixty percent say Trump is too old for a second term, also a new high, up from 44% in spring 2023. And in a sign of the nation’s political polarization, 50% say that given his debate performance, Trump should step aside in favor of another nominee – although, in contrast with Biden, very few of Trump’s own supporters say so.

WoahWoah , 4 hours ago

You can expect Harris’s numbers to drop given she’s vulnerable to almost every criticism Biden was except age and the fact that the Trump campaign has already been preparing to attack her.

Pandantic , 1 hour ago

And they’ve already made anti-Harris ads, which I heard on live CNN rn that they are already running them.

SeaJ , 5 hours ago (edited 4 hours ago)

No, they don’t. The Democratic Party can give the donated money to whoever is the candidate. Not sure where people are getting that.

Edit: After reading up, I am mistaken. If Harris is still the VP candidate, the money could be used. Otherwise a PAC would have to be setup to funnel money to the candidate.

mrlavallee , 5 hours ago

The money Biden has raised directly however can only go to the people that were on his ticket at the time the donation was made

xmunk , 4 hours ago

That’s correct, but nearly none of the money is the direct donation stuff - it’s almost in PACs which are (due to a legal fiction) entirely independent of the candidate.

mrlavallee , 4 hours ago

There are still more restrictions however on spending on other candidates and they would have to act like any other PAC, only helping via donating/running ads in support of (but importantly not directly by) any other candidate.

FlowVoid , 5 hours ago

The $100 million warchest belongs to the Biden/Harris campaign, not the Democratic Party. They are separate organizations, and Biden/Harris only answers to Biden and Harris.

The DNC has its own funds of course, but nowhere near as much. And DNC funds are supposed to be shared with multiple Democrats, not just the one running for president.

Zaktor , 5 hours ago

And notably even if Biden/Harris were supporting the alternative, they’re an outside group. They can spend like a super PAC, but can’t pay bills or do direct advertising.

Tryptaminev , 5 hours ago

I find this so insane. People talk about who gets to keep the money, who has which rich asshole routing for them, which strategy has been successfull in the past, like always setting up the current president for reelection…

We need to focus on who has actually inspiring policies and ideas. We need to focus on these, because that is what the Reps lack. All they offer is “not the Dems” while the policies they propose are actually unpopular with many of their base. And the whole “Not Trump” strategy of Biden just fell apart.

Is there noone in the Democratic party who can actually come up with a coherent vision of the future and inspire people to follow it?

Pandantic , 3 hours ago

Is there no one in the Democratic party who can actually come up with a coherent vision of the future and inspire people to follow it?

This is why I think Pete Buttigieg should throw his hat in if they do have a primary. He just had a Bill Maher interview that just went viral because he knows how to talk to the common people. I think his visions are inspiring, he’s done a lot of work for his department, and he isn’t afraid to walk across party lines and go on Republican shows to talk about the real problems. He’s smart enough to smash Trump in a debate, calling out all his lies, and even if Trump is too scared to debate him, he has no problem laying out Trump’s lies elsewhere coherently and cognitively.

Montagge , 5 hours ago

Half of America lost it’s mind when Obama was elected, and we’re still dealing with the fallout from that lovely dose of racism. There’s no way Kamala could win in this country.

Qkall , 5 hours ago

like all that aside, a lot of folks aren’t appreciative of her background as a cop… but yeah that’s a cherry to what you already mentioned

mosiacmango , 5 hours ago

And a lot of swing voters will probably like that she was a prosecutor, a “law and order” type.

ImADifferentBird , 5 hours ago

I think most of the “law and order” types might have a bigger problem with her being a black woman.

mosiacmango , 4 hours ago

She aint “black” as much as “brown.” Its an incredibly stupid hair to split, but indians are generally considered a “model minority” by racists, so it will likely hurt her but not as much as you may think.

ImADifferentBird , 4 hours ago

Isn’t she half-black and half-Indian? Or am I mistaken on that?

Regardless, the flame out of Bobby Jindal shows what those folks think of Indians anyway.

mosiacmango , 4 hours ago

No, you’re right. I honestly forgot she was half black.

I guess I hope the “moderate” racists do as well.

nao , 5 hours ago

still the other half was enough to elect him

Zaktor , 4 hours ago

Obama won. And then won again. Stop pumping up the reactionaries as some unstoppable force. They’re a minority and have been on a long term losing streak.

ImADifferentBird , 5 hours ago

She’ll have to be. Anybody else would be starting from square one, and that’s a luxury we don’t have right now.

fossilesque , 5 hours ago (edited 4 hours ago)

I don’t particularly like her, then again I detest nearly all politicians. That being said, I’m more motivated to vote, that’s for certain. I didn’t mind Biden, but it felt like elder abuse lol. He’s been better than anyone in my lifetime. Good God, I’d rather have her than Hilary as the first woman in the spot. Biden was just hard to watch and that position needs someone that will have to live with the consequences of the decisions in office. Will be curious to see who else puts their name in. 4 years ago he said he wouldn’t run again and he seems to be keeping that promise too. If they were clever, they’d put Biden as VP or as an advisor.

spujb , 5 hours ago

Harris 2024 babyyyyy

Kalothar , 5 hours ago

Senator Mark Kelly, he can do this

He flipped AZ to blue

He is an astronaut, all American, former servicemen

He can get red votes and blue alike

alquicksilver , 5 hours ago

Hmm…not bad. Not amazing name recognition, but that could be remedied.

Having Gabby campaign for/with him, especially after the DJT assassination attempt, could be beneficial, too. (Or could look like a disgusting political plot, but that’s really all our politics.)

alienzx , 5 hours ago

Isn’t senator Kelly the one that created the mutant registration act?

xmunk , 4 hours ago

Yea, but who cares about those sub-human mutants.

ShepherdPie , 4 hours ago

Damn that would be a great pick. I’d like to see AOC but Kelly probably has more broad appeal with all the things you mentioned.

bdonvr , 4 hours ago

Actually that’s not a bad idea at all

Reverendender , 4 hours ago

This is…not a bad idea!

Death_Equity , 4 hours ago

Ok, he is probably the best name anybody has thrown out.

WoahWoah , 4 hours ago

Kelly or Mayor Pete seem like the best options.

Buttigieg and AOC ticket? That would be the youth candidacy. Kelly and Buttigieg or vice versa would be more centrist but probably be the most robust candidacy.

I hate to say it, but in this political climate and with the threat of Trump, the best shot is probably two young-ish white guys.

morphballganon , 5 hours ago (edited 4 hours ago)

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FlyingSquid , 5 hours ago

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WoahWoah , 4 hours ago

Gavin is probably the least popular option of any names floated. I don’t know who likes him, apparently some people do, but it’s not anywhere near a majority of the country.

FlexibleToast , 3 hours ago

On top of that, you can add that there is no advantage to getting a candidate from California. This is why I never understood Harris as the VP pick. Ideally, you get someone from a swing state like Whitmer.

Bye , 5 hours ago

Literally any straight white man center-right democrat born after 1968 would wipe the floor with trump.

And before anyone jumps down my throat, that’s not what I want. I want president Cortez. But presidents are chosen by money and by about 10,000 generically stupid swing voters in Michigan and Pennsylvania.

FlexibleToast , 3 hours ago

Voters in Michigan that voted for Whitmer.

Bye , 1 hour ago

Fantastic point.

VanillaBean , 6 hours ago

Welp they must have looked at the data and saw Kamala or someone else would do significantly better. Hope they’re right.

woop_woop , 5 hours ago

The dnc has famously been able to do that

chemical_cutthroat , 5 hours ago

Well known for picking the strongest candidate.

WoahWoah , 4 hours ago

#herturn

TechAnon , 3 hours ago

I hope so and if true we have to trust the data. My vote is solid blue based on virtues and most policies. There’s probably a lot of others like me.

SpaceCowboy , 58 minutes ago

It’s basically 50/50 with either Biden or Harris at the top of the ticket. Everything is in the margin of error, and polling has been notoriously inaccurate with Trump on the ballot.

So you have to basically ignore the simple Trump vs. Biden or Trump vs. Harris or (Trump vs. anyone else you can think of) numbers because it’s pretty much unknown. But the data says a majority (even an majority of Democrats) want someone other than Biden on the ballot at election. BTW a majority of voters also want someone other than Trump on the ballot too.

There’s also some data to suggest Trump is making some inroads with young male Black and Hispanic voters. Harris will negate a significant amount of that immediately and potentially even more when the GOP can’t resist blowing their racist dog whistles and show voters who they really are.

So it’s kinda about looking at the data, but I think a large part of it is simple campaign facts. In times past a Presidential candidate would do two (sometimes three) rallies in two different states per day. And do interviews while traveling between campaign events. Trump isn’t capable of that pace. Biden most certainly isn’t capable of that pace. Harris can do that. We really haven’t seen a 100% balls to the wall presidential campaign in a while because it’s been two old guys in the last election and in this one… until now.

Remember Biden also had to do the job of being President of the country while also campaigning. That’s a lot of work for even someone young, and Biden is so very old. Sure Harris is VP, but that’s mostly just getting some briefings (too keep up on events in case she might need to take over as Prez) and breaking ties in the Senate (which probably won’t be needed between now and election day). She can devote almost all of her time to campaigning while Biden couldn’t.

kn0wmad1c , 6 hours ago

What happens now? Does the DNC pick a replacement or will they be holding a snap primary?

Thekingoflorda OP , 6 hours ago

A new canidate will be picked during the DNC on 19-22 august.

alvvayson , 5 hours ago

Correct.

And Kamala is the most logical choice, because there will be the least amount of legal hurdles, since she was already on the ticket.

And the Republicans already said they are going to mount legal challenges, which can easily lead to SCOTUS deciding the election. So I expect Sanders, AOC and progressives to strongly push for Kamala.

But I fully expect the DNC to push forward some corporate candidate like Bloomberg.

It’s going to be interesting.

someguy3 , 5 hours ago

How is it that states can decide (or whatever the correctt word is) who’s on the ballot when the party hasn’t even officially nominated a candidate? I know that political parties are separate from election institutions, but it seems very strange. And it seems very early for states to have it set in stone.

Zaktor , 4 hours ago

They can’t. The nominee is chosen by the party and then communicated to the states. The states do have deadlines for being on it and this year some organizational genius scheduled the convention after the earliest deadline in Ohio. Ohio has since moved that deadline back, but the structure of the law leaves room for shenanigans so the DNC is moving forward with a virtual vote before the convention.

someguy3 , 4 hours ago

So legally it should be fine to decide at the DNC?

Zaktor , 4 hours ago

Yes, with a big asterisk on the “should”. The law that pushes the deadline back may theoretically not go into effect until after the deadline is passed, and they paired it with some other campaign finance rules that are probably unconstitutional, so there’s an outside chance the whole thing gets struck down.

All that said, the Democrats won’t win Ohio for the presidential race. They want to be on the ballot to help turnout for the Democratic senator who’s running at the same time. So if they took a risk and lost, it wouldn’t be the end of the world.

alvvayson , 4 hours ago

I am not a lawyer, but what is clear is that each State sets its own laws. By the constitution, States are in charge of elections.

What I have heard is that Biden has to release his delegates, who are already bound to him. Many states have already had their primaries completed with the Biden/Harris ticket winning.

Sending those electors to the Convention and letting them choose someone else is going to be a grey area.

If they choose Harris, it’s pretty sound. When a president steps down, the VP becomes president, so there is definitely precedent and a legal basis.

But if Biden releases his delegates and lets them vote for anyone? That will be challenged and it will go to the supreme court. And SCOTUS is corrupt enough to find some flimsy legal excuse that helps Republicans.

So yeah, that’s what I’ve heard. But I am not an expert.

dhork , 5 hours ago

Mike Bloomberg? He’s older than Biden

SirDerpy , 5 hours ago

There are no legal hurdles. The private organization can nominate whomever they want regardless of their votes and their rules.

audiomodder , 3 hours ago

The legal hurdles aren’t in the nomination, they’re in monies donated directly to the Biden/Harris campaign

SirDerpy , 2 hours ago

The only way money is beholden to a campaign is because a major donor insisted upon it. And, no one is asking for a refund on executive and legislative influence.

MeThisGuy , 3 hours ago

pick me

the_crotch , 3 hours ago

The legal hurdles are around getting their candidate on state ballots

SirDerpy , 2 hours ago

Nice insight. Democratic Secretaries of State will find a way. But, Republican Secretaries of State will definitely resist.

I want to be of a mind that they made the bed to exclude third parties and now should lie in it. But, perhaps this is an opportunity to change the rules of ballot access for the better.

mosiacmango , 5 hours ago

You think the DNC is going to try to push out the centrist, sitting vice president of their party during a presidential election? The vice presidential that aligns with the majority of their constituents, has a huge war chest of money, and is a well know and generally liked member of the party?

The DNC are idiots, but that makes no sense at all.

timewarp , 5 hours ago

Serious? I haven’t even had time to see that. That is the best decision they could have made.

dhork , 5 hours ago

The new candidate will be picked before then, they were already planning an early roll call vote because the DNC convention is too late for some state deadlines.

hitstun , 4 hours ago

August 7 is the deadline. The problem is my state, Ohio. By law, the Democrats must nominate someone in 17 days or be left off the ballot. It's way too fast for a special primary election.

This is certainly going to face legal challenges in red states, too. The orange one will probably run unopposed in states like Florida.

holycrap , 6 hours ago

My understanding is they pick a replacement

jeffw , 6 hours ago (edited 6 hours ago)

Anything could happen. Most likely is the elected delegates will decide at the convention (edit: when you vote for “Biden,” you are basically voting for who the delegates that will elect him will vote for, so you still elected those delegates). Redoing a primary before then would be next to impossible. Takes weeks or months to get signatures to get on the ballot, then you need time to recruit staff to work the polls, etc.

wjrii , 4 hours ago

Yup. I would be literally stunned if any state primary has no legal path forward for what to do if a primary candidate drops out before the convention. It could get messy, but this idea that the dems will not have a candidate in some states come November is FUD.

Broadly, when Americans vote in primaries, they are not voting directly for a candidate but kicking off a process that will ultimately send delegates to the party’s national convention. Those delegates are the ones who officially pick the nominee — and the Democrats’ convention hasn’t happened yet.

www.politico.com/news/…/what-next-biden-00170001

SpaceCowboy , 35 minutes ago

Yeah it’s the convention where it’s made official that a person is the nominee. If he dropped out after the convention… now that would be a mess. But as it is now, the guy that was the presumptive nominee yesterday is not longer the presumptive nominee.

morphballganon , 6 hours ago

If the DNC of the past is any indication, they’ll ignore voters and put up the most boring, uncompelling candidate they can.

solrize , 6 hours ago

Alternatively: they put up the most divisive and cringeworthy candidate they can.

timewarp , 5 hours ago

I wanted AOC but her last few posts have been cringe. She’s divisive, but that could have worked in her favor. Prob. will be Kamala. I think they should have an open convention & let delegates decide though.

AbidanYre , 5 hours ago

Sorry, Trump’s already running as a Republican.

cerement , 2 hours ago

DNC busy trying to get Manchin and Sinema to come back to the fold

AbidanYre , 1 hour ago

Oh man, if they both come back it’s just a question of which one is on top of the ticket.

ShepherdPie , 4 hours ago

And those of us in the party who aren’t right-leaning will get blamed when they lose.

reallykindasorta , 6 hours ago

Bernie 2024, even if he dies of a heart attack first day his appointments would change the country for good and I don’t trust any party politicians on Palestine.

girlfreddy , 6 hours ago

I’m hoping for a Kamala/AOC ticket.

timewarp , 5 hours ago

Seeing AOC oddly shill for Biden before he dropped out… which I’d expect from Pelosi, Schumer & Schiff, but not from her. She may actually be trying to get the VP spot.

timbuck2themoon , 5 hours ago

Maybe she had better political acumen and knew he’d do better.

timewarp , 5 hours ago

Maybe she saw an opportunity

ShepherdPie , 4 hours ago

How can one know how well a candidate will do in a future election?

Carrolade , 5 hours ago

She just did the calculus that Biden was our best shot, due to a whole shitton of different factors from Biden’s support among elderly voters, union support, money raised, polls being pretty crap for a few cycles now, shit like that.

Now there will be logistical challenges, we have a lot of uncertainty ahead. She wanted to avoid that until we got some better answers.

timewarp , 5 hours ago

Biden bros: No one has a plan if Biden drops out. Everyone else: Here is our plan. Biden bros still: No one has a plan if Biden drops out.

Plan was open convention where delegates decide.

Carrolade , 5 hours ago

Yes, that’s an excellent example of uncertainty.

timewarp , 5 hours ago

What is better… knowing Biden would lose to Trump, or being uncertain who the delegates will choose before the convention?

ilmagico , 4 hours ago

Nobody knew for sure Biden would lose and nobody knows for sure that whoever is picked will win. It was high uncertainty all along.

Perfide , 2 hours ago

If that’s what you call a “plan”, never manage anything, ever.

mosiacmango , 5 hours ago

Or you could read her arguments, which were direct and pragmatic. She was talking about how difficult this would be logistically, and that it would have been better to do 6 months ago, you know, when the progressive wing of the party raised the issue.

AOC was “shilling” for some consistency, backbone and party unity out of a pragmatic need to beat back fascism. Now that this choice has been made, I’m betting she will continue with the same intent.

timewarp , 5 hours ago

Biden was going to lose and he was making other Democrats lose. What did you expect the party to do, unite behind losing to Trump?

AOC was prob smart, saw Biden didn’t believe he was going to lose and saw an opportunity before it played out.

TipRing , 5 hours ago

Further, Bernie and AOC are rather well aware that the progressive wing of the party would likely be blamed for “party disunity” if Biden stayed in and lost. They will not do anything to let the DNC scapegoat their caucus.

the_tab_key , 5 hours ago

Which is hilarious because Pelosi, Schumer, and Schiff were all against Biden continuing in the race…

AOC understands politics and thinks things through, that’s it.

timewarp , 5 hours ago

AOC has always been considered an outsider to Democrat leadership. She prob was thinking things through, but I don’t think it is because she thought Biden was going to win.

ShepherdPie , 4 hours ago

I agree it was likely more about party unity and not biting the hand that feeds you.

revelrous , 4 hours ago

Imo she’s trying to shield progressives from being the scapegoat, like how we got the blame for dem dysfunction in '16.

SpaceCowboy , 1 hour ago

Politics is about getting the things you want, not dunking on people that disagree with you on a couple of things. You gotta compromise with people to get what you want. People feel like being uncompromising is somehow admirable, but in politics it means you get nothing. MAGAs are uncompromising, and they get a lot of likes on social media for it, but they’ve accomplish exactly nothing after winning the House in 2022.

Biden has been good for the progressive wing of the party, and they may not get as good of a deal with Harris as they did with Biden. They will have to negotiate compromises with someone new and may not get as much.

So do you rather politicians compromising and getting something to benefit you, or grandstanding and accomplishing nothing except providing a small amount of entertainment for you?

jeffw , 5 hours ago

Biden just endorsed Kamala, so that much is likely. The VP will probably be one from a shortlist of 5 or so governors/senators from swing states.

FlowVoid , 5 hours ago

Maybe, but then the swing state could end up with a GOP governor. That’s one reason why VPs are often from safe seats, eg Harris, Pence, Biden, Palin, Quayle…

jeffw , 4 hours ago

The shortlist I’ve seen thrown around a lot so far is pretty much Whitmer, Shapiro, Cooper, and Kelly. Maybe someone like Beshear, but I’d call that slightly lower odds than the others. I think they will probably lean away from a 2 woman ticket too

FlowVoid , 30 minutes ago

I think you could add Pritzker to that list

acosmichippo , 5 hours ago

that would be great, but there’s no way they double down on minorities and women in the same ticket. get ready for a biden jr as the VP.

WanderingVentra , 5 hours ago

That would be cool but I suspect it will be a white, straight man to balance out the ticket for the racists and sexists. Maybe someone from a swing state.

ShepherdPie , 4 hours ago

Yes more pandering from the DNC to the far right individuals who would never vote for a Democrat to begin with.

audiomodder , 3 hours ago

Aka what Biden was to Obama

twistypencil , 5 hours ago

Is AOC old enough?

jo3shmoo , 5 hours ago

Yes she’d be 35 before taking office.

TexasDrunk , 4 hours ago

She will be by the election.

tryitout , 4 hours ago

She will be by inauguration which is all that matters.

marito , 4 hours ago

Yes, she’ll be 35 by election day.

ShepherdPie , 4 hours ago

She will be before the election and long before the inauguration.

twistypencil , 4 hours ago

Ok, 1000 people replied, thank you, you can stop now lol

teejay , 15 minutes ago

She will be by the time she’d take the oath.

ThePyroPython , 5 hours ago

As an outside observer I find it hard to believe that a place as right-wing as the US would elect a woman of colour as president. Isn’t that double red rag to the nutjob bulls?

NoIWontPickAName , 4 hours ago

Most of them were already voting trump anyway

WoahWoah , 4 hours ago

Automatic loss.

Gerudo , 4 hours ago

Hot damn I had forgotten about a new vp pick in the middle of all this. AOC won’t be it but needs to be.

Bassman1805 , 6 hours ago

HO-LEE SHI-TUH

jeffw , 6 hours ago

washingtonpost.com/…/open-convention-democrats-bi…

“How Democrats would pick a new candidate if Biden drops out, step by step”

One [possibility] is a virtual vote that would lock in a new nominee in early August, and the other is an “open” convention, a scenario the party hasn’t experienced since 1968.
A convention is open when no candidate arrives with a clear majority of delegates, so the event turns into a mini-primary in which contenders scramble to persuade delegates to vote for them…
Some states have August deadlines to get on the ballot for the general election, and early voting begins in some places in September. So party leaders probably would try to settle the nomination before the Democratic National Convention begins Aug. 19.

There are two types of Democratic delegates. Pledged delegates commit to supporting the candidate state voters chose, although a “good conscience” clause in the party’s rules gives them a bit of wiggle room.

Automatic delegates, often called superdelegates, are the party’s highest-profile leaders. They have the role because of the offices they hold (or held), and the group includes former presidents and vice presidents, Democratic governors, members of Congress and party officials. They are not pledged to any candidate and are not allowed to vote on the first ballot at the convention.

PythagreousTitties , 5 hours ago

Clusterfuck it is, then. Oh boy.

SpaceCowboy , 41 minutes ago

Not really. It’ll be Harris. Biden endorsed her and already other potential Dem front-runners are endorsing her. Within in a few days it’ll be like she’s the incumbent and no one will want to run against her for the same reasons they didn’t run against Biden. Plus the additional reason that they don’t want to screw up their chances of being her VP pick.

Rayspekt , 5 hours ago

Dumb question. Why didn’t they just schedule the convention prior to all deadlines regardless who runs for office? Is there any benefit to meeting so late?

jeffw , 5 hours ago

It is before the deadlines but just barely. Typically the candidate is known before the convention, so you already have enough signatures to get on the ballot in every state

Zaktor , 4 hours ago

It wasn’t when they scheduled it. It was after Ohio’s deadline. And major parties don’t need signatures to put forward candidates.

jeffw , 4 hours ago

Not in a general, no. They do in a primary though. In this case, you’re right, the candidate would get on the ballot by the delegates voting

cerement , 5 hours ago

a scenario the party hasn’t experienced since 1968

because the 1968 Democratic Convention went swimmingly – oh, they’re also holding this year’s convention in Chicago again you say? with increased police presence as well?

gAlienLifeform , 5 hours ago

Well, at least there isn’t anything controversial going on overseas that’s got the college kids riled up this time /s

PythagreousTitties , 6 hours ago

“We’re in the endgame now”

kylie_kraft , 5 hours ago

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Altomes , 5 hours ago

As a very vocal Biden hater I’ll stomach Kamela far better and would be thrilled for someone else

xhieron , 5 hours ago (edited 4 hours ago)

Stomach isn’t enough. If you’re not actively campaigning and donating for her–or whomever the candidate is–then you may as well have been a Republican.

EDIT: Nevermind. Clearly the hivemind wants to stay in our armchairs. Who can blame us, right? We’ll continue this conversation in November. I hope it’s not I-told-you-so.

FlyingSquid , 5 hours ago

And doing what you’re doing discourages people from voting.

xhieron , 5 hours ago

Squid, I appreciate your contributions to putting content on the platform, honestly, but I couldn’t be any less interested in that take. My history speaks for itself, and anybody can read it who cares to. Everybody must vote. I don’t think I could be any clearer about that. I was a staunch advocate for Biden, and I’ll be a staunch advocate for Harris, Newsom, Whitmer, or anyone else who carries the Democratic party forward.

But every single one of them polls down from Biden. To the extent any of the whining on social media since the debate hasn’t been astroturfed, advocacy for Biden to drop out resulted in this news, and it means that the party has now voluntarily given up the single biggest proven advantage a candidate historically has in a presidential election: being the sitting president.

I’m encouraging people to vote, but you know as well as I do that people who were going to vote anything-blue were going to vote for Biden no matter what anybody said on almost-reddit. Harris has to move the needle further than that, and that means that all the armchair it’ll-be-better-if-he-drops-out analysts now need to step the fuck up if they want this news to mean anything other than “The DNC just handed Trump 2024.”

Everybody knows that the kids screaming “oh if the candidate were just younger, the Dems would have it in a landslide” were full of shit, and now we’re about to see just how big a deficit we’re actually running. I’d love to be wrong! I’d be delighted, ecstatic, beside myself to discover that next weeks polls put all these convention front-runners up 10 points on Trump. But I’ve studied this stuff, and it doesn’t take a veteran pollster to realize it doesn’t work that way. Actual campaigning has to happen.

If you cared enough to want Biden out, but not quite enough to want Harris to win, then you were going to hold your nose in the ballot box either way and it doesn’t fucking matter: Trump would still win. That’s not discouraging. That’s statistics.

FlyingSquid , 4 hours ago

Telling people that if they don’t go out and campaign, they might as well be a Republican is just counterproductive. Insulting people is just never a way to get them to do what you think they should do.

I don’t know why so many people think that’s the right tack. Have you ever been insulted into doing something?

xhieron , 4 hours ago

The few words of hyperbole is what you took away? I expected better, but I guess that’s on me.

FlyingSquid , 4 hours ago

The few words are the problem. And I doubt people are viewing it as hyperbole.

bolexforsoup , 4 hours ago

I mean yeah it was a bit much on their part but I think you’re hyper focusing on it well past the point of productivity.

FlyingSquid , 4 hours ago

I am trying to explain someone else how they are not being productive.

As I said to them, have you ever been insulted into doing the right thing? I sure haven’t. I don’t know of anyone who has.

In fact, the quickest way I know to get someone to not take your advice is to insult them.

xhieron , 3 hours ago

Didn’t bother to read the multi-paragraph follow-up? Don’t worry about it. I’ve had my fill.

FlyingSquid , 3 hours ago

You really don’t understand the concept that being hostile to people is the worst way to get them on your side.

xhieron , 3 hours ago

You know, Squid. You’re right. This whole time I’ve been venting because I feel like we’ve been completely outplayed by astroturfing foreign propagandists and bots, and it feels like I’m the only one who realizes it. This stuff has real, serious consequences for real people–but why would I expect a bunch of NEETs and children to get that?

Everybody who swallowed it still genuinely thinks they won something, so I guess it’s not fair to lash out. I don’t really want to get anyone on my side because my side doesn’t exist here anymore.

I have to thank you for finally getting me off the platform. It’s just not worth it.

I’m sure this’ll all work out the way you want.

FlyingSquid , 3 hours ago

Or… you could be encouraging rather than hostile.

the_post_of_tom_joad , 1 hour ago

It’s all a huge conspiracy by foreign propagandists to… replace Joe Biden? Why? And this conspiracy either fooled or forced DNC wonks to pressure Biden to drop his campaign, and this propaganda… originating from foreign sources that you but not they can see, caused Biden to concede.

Look dawg i know someone saying take a breath on the Internet has the opposite effect but for real, maybe you need to take a step back right now and take another look

ShepherdPie , 4 hours ago

You’re essentially doing the same exact thing in the top comment up above.

FlyingSquid , 4 hours ago

In what way? I’m saying insulting people is not a way to get them to campaign.

ShepherdPie , 2 hours ago

Any moment now, the ‘don’t vote for Biden’ group will be in here telling us not to vote for Harris. And if it isn’t Harris, they’ll tell us not to vote for whoever it is.

Anything but stop the dictator and his plan to commit genocide against Latinos and queer people.

Then why are you insulting people here by making up a strawman argument and insinuating that the people who don’t support unpopular candidates are somehow rooting for Trump? This is like the DNC’s 2016 arrogance all over again and look how that turned out for the country.

FlyingSquid , 2 hours ago

It’s still not a strawman argument that people who were posting all over Lemmy that no one should vote for Biden are now posting in this very thread that people shouldn’t vote for Harris either.

Also, I’m not trying to get people who aren’t planning on voting for Harris to campaign for Harris. That would be silly. So I have no problem with anything that I said.

FlowVoid , 5 hours ago

We win if we get enough votes, and every vote counts.

Anything beyond voting is just gravy.

Tryptaminev , 5 hours ago

With people like you it shows why Trump won culturally even if he doesn’t win the election. He turned a substantial part of the vocal Democrats into Blue-MAGA-hats. It is the same attitude that attacked people who pointed out the mere fact, that Biden is not mentally fit for office anymore. If the Blue-MAGA wasn’t so big, Biden could have left the field to a younger and better candidate half a year ago.

kylie_kraft , 4 hours ago

nothing makes me discredit a poster faster than this “Blue MAGA” bullshit

Tryptaminev , 4 hours ago

So you think calling everyone that does not campaign and donate to the Democrats a secret Republican is somehow normal?

To me it is the same cultish bullshit like the blatant denial of Bidens old age and mental decline. It is the same “follow your leader no matter what” insanity that is apologetic for Trump on the other side. So yes, this kind of behaviour is MAGA behaviour and if it is done for the Dems instead of the Reps it is blue MAGA

NoIWontPickAName , 4 hours ago

Nope

Semi_Hemi_Demigod , 4 hours ago

TIL I’m a Republican.

And also that you’re a jerk.

Clinicallydepressedpoochie , 4 hours ago

Boooooo. We need to unite around [insert DNC candidate] NOW.

elbucho , 4 hours ago

The “hive mind” probably just can’t figure out what the fuck you’re even trying to say. So, what, everybody who doesn’t actively campaign for their preferred candidate just supports fascism by default? I’m guessing your stance isn’t anywhere near that stupid, because that is an extraordinarily stupid stance. So maybe you’d have a better reception if you clarified your point.

Pacattack57 , 4 hours ago

This has got to be the most brain dead shit I’ve read in a minute 😵‍💫

queue , 3 hours ago

I guess the poor and disabled and people who are too busy with struggling to survive are secretly republicans now.

“Hey I have a weak immune system, so I have to work from home and that limits my income and my free time.”

“I smell a Republican!”

audiomodder , 3 hours ago

Absolutely not. I will spend my time and energy and money supporting my local Democrats. The national level isn’t as important to me because Republicans in my state have veto-proof majorities in both houses and they hold the governorship. Regardless of what happens at the national level, implementation of Project 2025 began in my state about 3 years ago.

FlexibleToast , 4 hours ago

While not a Biden hater (but also not a supporter), this is how I feel too.

NoIWontPickAName , 4 hours ago

Harris ain’t perfect, but she’s not on the same mental state as Biden is.

He did a lot of good, but he just wasn’t there anymore, he’s getting pretty old and just had the most stressful job in the world for 4 years.

Plus he just backed Israel through every thing.

She’ll probably do the same, but I KNOW that he’ll do it.

Tbf I changed my mind to voting for him after he finally managed to get Ukraine more aid, so idk how everyone else will go.

Hopefully she grabs a good VP to calm people down

Clinicallydepressedpoochie , 4 hours ago

I was vocally saying biden would never drop out and we just had to swallow the poison pill. I was dead wrong. I will be voting for [insert DNC candidate] and will be excited to do it!

DragonTypeWyvern , 3 hours ago

Idk about excited, but yes, unironically.

elbucho , 4 hours ago

While I don’t think Kamala is the best the Democratic party has to offer (I would have much preferred Biden endorsing Hakeem Jeffries, for example), I’m over the moon that he’s finally decided to step aside. And you know what? Harris is better than Biden in pretty much every metric that matters. I was going to vote for the Dem nominee either way, but him stepping aside in favor of a better candidate has me feeling all kinds of relieved.

FlexibleToast , 4 hours ago

I can only speak for myself, but yes.

DarkGamer , 5 hours ago

This is so incredibly reckless and foolish. Democrats just handed victory to Trump because they seem incapable of party unity. There is no better candidate waiting in the wings and Biden was polling very competitively against Trump.

ralphio , 5 hours ago

He dropped over 2 points to Trump since the debate and I doubt more public appearances from him were gonna help especially since he already committed to another debate. He’s outside the margin of error for winning any sunbelt state and losing everywhere in the rustbelt. It’s not impossible that he would have won but seems pretty improbable.

Wxnzxn , 4 hours ago

It would have taken some big, unexpected developments for him to win at this stage. Especially after the failed assassination attempt invigorated and united Trump’s cult further.

Stupidmanager , 5 hours ago

I mean, reading between the lines, something else is wrong with biden. His age wasn’t all that helpful in the current situation, and then he gets sick? If he has only Covid, then we were in for 2+ months of a foggy candidate who already had questionable levels of clarity. No, this is not reckless, this is trying to save the election from an almost assured trump win.

ShepherdPie , 4 hours ago

The only recklessness I see is waiting til the 11th hour to read the writing on the wall. Someone posted in a different thread that Biden even stated in 2019 that he was only going to run a single term. The party leadership has had 4 years to choose a proper successor but chose party over country instead.

baronvonj , 56 minutes ago

Someone posted in a different thread that Biden even stated in 2019 that he was only going to run a single term

He didn’t. He said he saw himself as a transitional candidate, but never outright said single term.

WanderingVentra , 5 hours ago

It seems reckless, but the people who were pushing it were party insiders and big donors like George Clooney. I am not sure if it was a good idea, but I figure they must see things we don’t.

theneverfox , 4 hours ago

Nope, they just have money we don’t have

SeaJ , 5 hours ago

Down 3% is horrible. In swing states, he is losing even worse while Democratic Senators are polling up.

baronvonj , 3 hours ago

I just don’t understand this with a non-felon, non-rapist candidate. Biden and those Democratic Congressional candidates are running on the same platform.

bdonvr , 4 hours ago

2020 was pretty close and Biden’s image hasn’t gotten any better and clearly wasn’t going to. He was never going to win.

RememberTheApollo_ , 4 hours ago

If you want lockstep unity you get to be fascist, too. Just like the republicans.

The best thing about Dems and libs is their general inclusivity. We want to have everyone to have a voice and a place to exist in the government. Shared control over the direction of the country. We want to exist and have lives free of violence, prejudice and misogyny, among other things, and to be who we are. But that’s also a drawback. Every group has their special interest. That’s hard to work with. If they don’t feel that their special interest has been advanced in some way they tend to sit on their hands. Vote third party. Not vote at all. We have a LOT of people all pulling in slightly different directions at the same time.

The republicans? They really have only one simple agenda, and that’s god, guns, and fuck the liberal agenda. And they show up to vote to do just that.

BombOmOm , 3 hours ago

Would have been better if he did this last year, would have allowed for a normal primary, rather than the clustefuck that is going to happen over the next month.

ToastedPlanet , 5 hours ago

Biden endorsed Kamala. =)

DarkGamer , 5 hours ago

Kamala has a similar approval rating to Biden. If he wasn't viable, neither is she.

ToastedPlanet , 5 hours ago

Biden wasn’t viable because he has cognitive decline. Kamala will mop the floor with Trump in debates.

DarkGamer , 5 hours ago (edited 5 hours ago)

Both candidates are experiencing decline, and if Biden were elected and incapable of doing the job it would have resulted in a Harris Presidency anyway. It's such an odd thing to object over. We've had presidents in decline before and the country kept running just fine, (FDR, Reagan.)

Biden did a fine job in office, I'm especially proud of his union support, and his policies were spot on in my opinion. To throw him under the bus like this seems really shitty.

ToastedPlanet , 5 hours ago

Biden made the right decision for the country.

spujb , 5 hours ago

Trump will visibly age on stage like Palpatine from the absolute roasting Harris would do to him

FlyingSquid , 5 hours ago

I would not be at all surprised if Trump refuses to debate her.

tal , 5 hours ago

I think I remember reading an earlier analysis that says that Trump has no reason to accept debates with any potential new candidate, as it just gives them more visibility.

Gerudo , 4 hours ago

Absolutely. They had no reason to debate Biden again. They sure as shit won’t put him on stage against her, or ANY other candidate.

kylie_kraft , 5 hours ago

Charitable to think that Trump would agree to a debate with Harris.

ShepherdPie , 4 hours ago

Do you think debates are really going to sway voters at this point? Like the people considering Trump don’t already know what a blowhard he is?

ToastedPlanet , 4 hours ago

Debates can energize the voter base which is what we need right now. And who knows, the debates might even convince some people.

FlyingSquid , 5 hours ago

To be fair, most people really don’t know much about her yet. She’s mostly stayed in the shadows as a VP. That could change, for better or worse, when they know her better.

Carrolade , 5 hours ago

People don’t know much about Kamala yet. That will now change very dramatically. Biden had hit his ceiling, a known quantity that everyone already knew very well. Harris has room to climb.

Wxnzxn , 4 hours ago

That’s something I think some people just missed when Biden dropping out was debated. Of course, the other potential picks were polling behind him at that point. But he was showing clear signs that he had peaked, and would only be able to fight not to drop further. His most powerful argument had been not being Trump - which any candidate can wield. And any candidate with charisma and the ability to speak, debate and campaign has a lot of room to move up, whereas Biden was fighting not to move down.

tal , 5 hours ago

The argument that I’ve seen made is that her approval rating will rise if she becomes the candidate.

I’m not sure how realistic that is, but it’s the one that was made.

BonesOfTheMoon , 5 hours ago

Well at least he could graciously withdraw I suppose.

FlyingSquid , 5 hours ago

Any moment now, the ‘don’t vote for Biden’ group will be in here telling us not to vote for Harris. And if it isn’t Harris, they’ll tell us not to vote for whoever it is.

Anything but stop the dictator and his plan to commit genocide against Latinos and queer people.

PythagreousTitties , 5 hours ago

I’m really hoping if Harris still has to be on the ticket that she’ll stay VP. It would be nice to have a decent prez option.

But I’ll be voting anti trump either way.

Hegar , 4 hours ago

It would be nice to have a decent prez option.

It would also be nice not to live on a burning planet controlled by decrepit rich psychopaths but I don't think either of us will be getting what we want.

I'll still vote for whatever the democrats decide to run, of course, since minimizing or maximizing fascists' access to government is the only question on the ballot this election.

ToastedPlanet , 5 hours ago

I didn’t want to believe it but they’re already in the comments. We need to be vocal. Kamala is a great candidate.

FlyingSquid , 5 hours ago

Of course they are. They started when it was just rumored that Biden would drop out.

baronvonj , 5 hours ago

‘Beating the Republican Fascist agenda’ is a great candidate. I don’t really care how that is spelled on the ballot.

Zachariah , 5 hours ago

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/94f527ab-0972-44d3-bb20-4a449a055bf0.jpeg

FlyingSquid , 4 hours ago

I’ll vote for virtually anyone the Democrats nominate to stop the genocidal dictator, but my first choice, of course, will always be-

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/8e944d30-b33a-4215-ad07-afe8248d8bbb.png

Lost_My_Mind , 2 hours ago

Alright, fuck it. I’LL run. I’m 40, nobody knows me so they don’t hate me, I think Hitler was bad, and I’ll let you guys smoke weed and keep your pronouns.

And for the republicans in the room, I’m not going to send anyone to take your guns. That sounds like a bad idea, that we already saw play out in Waco TX. Nobody wants that.

And for all the cats registered as undecided parties…meow meow meow meow meow. Meow meow MEOW MEOW MEOW!!! HISSS HISSSSS HISSSSSS clickclickclickclickclickclick…purrrr purrrr purrrr purrrrr purrrrrr.

And to all the mentally crazy voters, HEYMYNAMESBOBANDIMHERETOMAKEEVERYBODYSAFEFROMTHELIZARDPEOPLEFROMEATINGOURBRAINSANDTHEGOVERNMENTPOTBELLIEDPIGSBACONVIVALEREVOLUTION!!!

And to the dyslexic voters, Helol hwo aer yuo?

queue , 3 hours ago

That’s my main deciding point, and why I’m happy Biden stepped down. I didn’t think he’d win the Rust Belt. Harris might.

My main vote is “Not Trump’s Fascism.”

kautau , 44 minutes ago

I will absolutely vote whoever is opposite of trump on the ticket. But a black woman winning the rust belt? That would be wild. I’m all for it, mind you, but that would be some crazy shit.

njm1314 , 5 hours ago

If she she’s was a great candidate she would have been the candidate 4 years ago.

TexasDrunk , 5 hours ago

So she hasn’t gained any knowledge or experience in the last 4 years? We’re all just born with all the knowledge and experience we will ever have?

ToastedPlanet , 4 hours ago

She was on the ticket 4 years ago. She is VP. Now she’s on top. Kamala 2024!

bolexforsoup , 4 hours ago

Fuck ooooffffffffff my god these flippant bullshit one liners get so old

rebelsimile , 3 hours ago

If you’d applied this logic to trump would have even posted this?

Speculater , 4 hours ago

How is she a good candidate? She stood against everything progressives stand for as a prosecutor and hasn’t apologized or clarified that she supports marijuana legalization, abolition of for-profit prisons, or disproportionately prosecuting minorities.

elbucho , 4 hours ago

What the fuck are you talking about? When she was running for president in 2019, she released detailed plans about how she would legalize marijuana, abolish private prisons, and reform the carceral system.

I get that you probably weren’t aware of her evolved stance on these things, but a single google search could have shown you that you were incorrect on every single point you made.

Speculater , 3 hours ago

And I’m happy to be wrong about her evolved state. Thanks.

barkingspiders , 2 hours ago

This is the bravest comment I’ve seen today, you deserve an internet prize 🏆

Feathercrown , 3 hours ago

I love this site

ToastedPlanet , 4 hours ago

politifact.com/…/were-tulsi-gabbards-attacks-kama…

Harris “put over 1,500 people in jail for marijuana violations and then laughed about it when she was asked if she ever smoked marijuana.”

Notably, the figures dropped dramatically during Harris’ tenure, from 817 marijuana-related admissions in her first year in office to 137 in her last.

She laughed because it was funny and I’m tired of people telling me it’s not. 💥 🔫

She’s been a prosecutor, senator, and now VP. She has the experience. She can speak in complete sentences. She is a neo-liberal but that was a given. All Democratic candidates since Clinton have been neo-liberals. The idea that Kamala is anti-progressive is false.

SpaceCowboy , 2 hours ago

Yeah it is ridiculous. Essentially “why didn’t you legalize marijuana when you were AG?” Because that job isn’t about changing the laws it’s about prosecuting the law.

Bad enough SCOTUS is changing laws on a whim (instead of interpreting which is their actual job) we shouldn’t be expecting everyone on every level just disregard laws they disagree with. I agree that marijuana criminalization is stupid and should be repealed, but push for legislators to change the law rather than push for more people to ignore the law.

Steve , 4 hours ago

https://startrek.website/pictrs/image/d586fb6d-7bf7-4486-9738-e56b933dec32.png

fine_sandy_bottom , 1 hour ago

Of course they are. It’s infuriating. Even the “anyone but trump” idiots undermines confidence in Kamala.

queue , 5 hours ago (edited 3 hours ago)

I may be a weirdo, but I was on the “I’d consider not voting for Biden.” but I’m currently more interested in Harris. Nowhere near as bad of a track record as Biden had. From being racist, to supporting rapists getting into the Supreme Court, to backing massive removal of constitutional rights.

Harris’ record isn’t perfect, and while I’m in California, I don’t recall any bills she pushed/voted for as Senator that was anything as bad as the USA PATRIOT Act. I don’t like her record as our AG at all, but Senator is a different story.

If she picks a good VP pick, I’d be down. I’m wanting maybe Newsom, but that’s just he biggest Democrat I know, as he’s my Governor.

Edit: I don’t know how to make it clear: I live in California. If I voted for a ham sandwich for oresident it would have the same impact as voting for Biden. My state’s EC is clear and chosen, and popular vote doesn’t decide the president otherwise we’d never have Trump. I was considering going Greens, but I’m looking forward to Harris. Get mad at undecideds in Swing States and Trump supporters, not a registered Democrat in California.

RubberElectrons , 5 hours ago

Felt the same, both about her and Newsom.

acosmichippo , 4 hours ago

you were considering not voting for Biden when Trump was the alternative?

kylie_kraft , 4 hours ago

A very common position among the lemmy crowd, unfortunately. I really don’t expect much to change either, just swap Harris for Biden in the hit pieces.

acosmichippo , 4 hours ago

I’ve disengaged from political news and discussion over the last few years for my mental health, and this confirms that was the right move. shit is driving me crazy.

queue , 3 hours ago

I don’t know how to make it clear: I live in California. If I voted for a ham sandwich for president it would have the same impact as voting for Biden. My state’s EC is clear and chosen, and popular vote doesn’t decide the president otherwise we’d never have Trump. I was considering going Greens, but I’m looking forward to Harris. Get mad at undecideds in Swing States and Trump supporters, not a registered Democrat in California.

Djtecha , 3 hours ago

CA still has republicans in congress so please still vote.

queue , 3 hours ago

I’m trying to. I live in the district Kevin McCarthy was in. His replacement isn’t great. Our blanket primary was “Republican backed by Kevin and Trump” and “Republican backed by conservative think tanks and Trump staff”.

I’ve considered running for office using a form of leftist talks masked like Republican talking points. But an openly queer leftist in Republican territory won’t go well, unless I figure out what urn I want ahead of time.

Djtecha , 2 hours ago

Well keep on fighting. 😊

queue , 39 minutes ago

Even if we lose in 2024, we keep fighting.

sapphiria , 4 hours ago

Not all of us live in swing states. It’s weird that so many people act as if that’s the case online.

acosmichippo , 4 hours ago

I don’t care where you live, vote.

sapphiria , 3 hours ago

I never said I wasn’t going to vote.

acosmichippo , 2 hours ago

so you’re going to vote, but not for biden because electoral college nonsense. this isn’t time to fuck around with rhetorical voting no matter how safe you think your state is.

queue , 3 hours ago

Yes. But I’m in California. My vote for President doesn’t matter. My local ballots do.

K3zi4 , 4 hours ago

As a non American I just can’t comprehend how any of you even have to think about this.

On one hand, an old man, who, despite his age and stumbling over his words, has ran the country relatively successfully for the last four years.

On the other hand, another old man that was a global embarrassment, cosied up to Putin and Kim, spent most of his time golfing and shitting his pants, stole classified documents and likely sold state secrets, he is a sexual abuser, an actual criminal, clearly has corrupt justices on his side with crazy plans, chummy with epstein and took multiple trips to pedo Island, promoted racism at every opportunity, many of the people connected to him for his first term were imprisoned, refused to accept your democratic process, contributed in instigating a fucking coup attempt, and that’s likely not even the half of it…

Like, how the fuck can ANY of you look at that and say “Yeah but Biden stumbles over his words so I’ll just throw my vote away/vote for trump…”

I feel like I’m going insane just watching this shit unfold. It is all so bizarre.

mashbooq , 4 hours ago

As an American I’m newly flabbergasted by this every damn day

AquaTofana , 4 hours ago

Don’t worry, those of us Americans who don’t have their heads up their asses are just as baffled as you are and 3 times as embarrassed that Trump is even an option again.

I am in a fucking loop of laughter and tears because I don’t even know what to do anymore.

queue , 3 hours ago

I just don’t want an old rapist racist in charge of a country.

confusedbytheBasics , 3 hours ago

Yes. It’s insane. I will vote for whoever is most likely to beat Trump. It’s embarrassing that he is RNC’s pick for candidate. He demonstrated his inability to do the job and his fans still want him because he hurts the “right people”. Horrifying.

kylie_kraft , 2 hours ago

It’s not even “he hurts the ‘right people’” anymore, because Trump’s policies hurt everyone. It’s"he hurts the ‘right people’" more than he hurts me. I will give myself a cold to give you a fever.

Wiz , 2 hours ago

If pay money to hear the words “pedo Island” used against TFG in the debate.

Tryptaminev , 5 hours ago

The criterion is very simple: Don’t vote for genocide committers, enablers or planners. That excludes Biden and Trump.

If the Dems manage to produce a non genocide loving candidate, then vote vote vote and drag everyone who will vote for the non genocide candidate to the polling station.

FlyingSquid , 5 hours ago

And what is your plan for stopping Trump’s planned genocides?

Tryptaminev , 4 hours ago

2A

radivojevic , 4 hours ago

Unfortunately, talking about realistic plans will get you banned in this community

FlyingSquid , 4 hours ago

They aren’t realistic because no one with any credible ability to pull them off is making such plans. You sure aren’t leading the lynch mob.

radivojevic , 4 hours ago

Thomas Crooks is leading the mob.

FlyingSquid , 4 hours ago

If the leader of your great revolution is a corpse, I think you have big problems.

radivojevic , 1 hour ago

Corpse, Martyr, similar but different.

FlexibleToast , 4 hours ago

The guy that had no political motives and was just trying to hit the highest valued target he could? That’s a piss poor leader.

FlyingSquid , 4 hours ago

That’s also true, but I’d say the bigger problem when it comes to his leadership skills is his complete lack of brain and other organ activity.

FlexibleToast , 3 hours ago

Biden already dropped.

FlyingSquid , 3 hours ago

That would be a much funnier joke if Biden hadn’t literally endorsed someone else to be the leader.

Also, I’m sure Biden’s spleen is just fine.

FlexibleToast , 2 hours ago

It was only meant to be a stupid joke. Not an actual political statement.

radivojevic , 1 hour ago

That’s your interpretation of his motives.

AbidanYre , 4 hours ago

From 6ft underground?

radivojevic , 1 hour ago

I think that’s a requirement for being a martyr.

AbidanYre , 1 hour ago

I had this discussion with someone a couple weeks ago and was surprised to learn that it’s not.

www.wordnik.com/words/martyr

radivojevic , 1 hour ago

Interesting. Well, martyr nonetheless.

GoddessNoAi , 4 hours ago

“I’d rather let someone who actively, aggressively advocates, enables, and wants genocide domestically and abroad to win the presidency, over voting for somebody who passively enables genocide to happen abroad because actively trying to stop it could ignite WWIII” is still a bad take.

It’s baffling and hypocritical.

Tryptaminev , 4 hours ago

It is hypocritical to delude yourself into believing voting for genocide is somehow not approving genocide. And i hardly doubt that stopping Israel from committing genocide in Gaza would ignite WW3.

If you mistake it for Ukraine, think about all the help Ukraine is not getting so Israel can get it instead. Dozens of Billions in Weapons to slaughter a civillian population instead of helping Ukraine defend itself against Russias invasion.

GoddessNoAi , 4 hours ago

I’m not deluding myself about anything. The choice isn’t “vote for or against genocide” it’s “act to get less or more genocide”. It’s not a false dichotomy; if you’re not voting to defeat Trump, then you’re acting to get more genocide.

By not acting to defeat Trump, you’re enabling genocide more than Biden ever has.

Lyrl , 3 hours ago

In some takes on the trolley problem (do nothing, five people are run over by a trolley an die, flip a track change switch and two people are run over by a trolley and die) flipping the switch is the morally worse option because then those two people’s deaths are your fault, whereas the five people who die because you did nothing are someone else’s fault. I don’t agree with that take, but it’s taken seriously in philosophy circles.

Lyrl , 4 hours ago

I don’t get how in the Levant, where both Hamas and the Israelis have significant factions that want to genocide the other people, a situation where Hamas does the genociding (because an Israel without attack capability de facto also loses defense capability) is somehow more moral than a situation where Israel does it.

Tryptaminev , 4 hours ago

You are making multiple false assumptions in there. The first being that 2.000 pound bombs are somehow “defensive”. The next being that a 30.000 fighters Hamas would somehow genocide all of the settlers, despite their army having hundreds of thousands of members. Then it goes further with this idea, that they want to eradicate them, when all they want is to get their land back. The settlers always have the options to leave and go back to their home countries. Meanwhile Israel as a settler colonial project has to commit genocide to complete itself because as long as a Palestinian people exists, it will demand to get back to its rightful land. Finally you are wrong about the reasons why people in Palestine support violence. They do so, because it is the only thing protecting them from annihilation. For Israelis it is a mix between believing, they need to commit genocide as being the perpetrator protects them from being the victims, classic imperialist greed and a big portion of racism and fascism.

But in the end Israel will destroy itself from within as all fascist states do eventually. The question is how many more people the US helps them to murder in the meantime.

Semi_Hemi_Demigod , 5 hours ago

Even if Trump wasn’t going to do awful things, I can’t stand his stupid face or his stupid voice or his stupid stupidity. That’s enough to vote for someone who’ll beat him.

Burstar , 4 hours ago

Get out of my head. I only watch late night talk shows on Youtube now just so I can skip past any Trump video. I hate that guy so much it makes my jaw hurt whenever I see his image.

Edit: I wish I could vote against him.

thisbenzingring , 4 hours ago

When I place my vote, I’ll remember you 👍

Burstar , 3 hours ago

Thanks fren!

Lost_My_Mind , 2 hours ago

Are you unable to vote against him because you’re not American?

jwt , 2 hours ago

Generally speaking you vote for someone. I’m thinking they meant literally a box on the ballot:
☑️ Against trump

Burstar , 2 hours ago

Heh, or just vote for his opponent whomever that may be :P

Burstar , 2 hours ago

Yup.

Lost_My_Mind , 43 minutes ago

Ah. Legally speaking, that’s a pretty good excuse.

Lost_My_Mind , 2 hours ago

No. It absolutely isn’t. I was too young to vote in the 2000 election, but Gore had the same stupid face, long drawn out speech paterns, and general unlikability.

However, his policies, and his message were good. I would have voted for him despite his stupid face, because of him being the better candidate.

I FULLY understand people hating trump…but I underatand the hate because trump is a piece of shit. I get why trump is hated for his bad policies. I get why people hate having a criminal in the white house.

But to say that if a candidate were good for the position, but you hate their face and voice, I wouldn’t understand that.

aStonedSanta , 50 minutes ago

Yeah but Gore did win that election. It was stolen from him. Just like Bernie won the DNC nomination and it was stolen from him. Fuck the DNC. But fuck the RNC harder.

Lost_My_Mind , 44 minutes ago

This is the kind of comment that makes me angry, while I agree with all of it. It’s a weird feeling to be yelling “YEAH I AGREE WITH THAT!!! RAAAAHHH!!!”

NoIWontPickAName , 5 hours ago

Nah, I said I would support her if that’s what it came down to.

She needs a good VP though with her record.

That debate and the putin -Zelensky trump-Harris mixups so short together.

Pull in Buttigieg and you have a white male as a backup to calm people down and maybe pull in the gay vote.

I understand how the last sentence could be seen the wrong way, but it’s the cynical reality.

bolexforsoup , 4 hours ago

You’re talking about election strategy, it’s not wrong if a bit blunt/overly reduced.

noisefree , 3 hours ago

Harris-Buttigeg is too close to Harry Butt and Harris-Pete is too close to Harry Peter for the 4th grade reading level crowd (aka “undecided voters”). I don’t personally have a huge issue with either of them, but it’ll probably be Harris and the Sheriff of Mayberry.

JimSamtanko , 4 hours ago

Absolutely they will. When the gEnOciDe stopped working/got boring, they switched to- oLd!

Give it a day, they’ll have their reasons not to vote for her too.

FlyingSquid , 4 hours ago

Someone already replied to me saying that unless the Democrats produce a “non genocide-loving candidate,” don’t vote for them.

kylie_kraft , 3 hours ago

conveniently making room for the one candidate who probably does love a genocide

FlyingSquid , 3 hours ago

And not just genocide overseas. Trump has made his position on immigrants and queer people very clear. And if anyone thinks ‘immigrants’ won’t include brown people that are native-born citizens who don’t happen to have the right ID on them, you’re wrong.

kylie_kraft , 3 hours ago

Oh, totally

JimSamtanko , 3 hours ago

Of course they did. Because MAGA won’t be happy until there are no democratic voters.

Captainvaqina , 3 hours ago

No democracy either. They want an authoritarian dictatorship because they don’t believe they’ll be the ones hurt by it.

Djtecha , 3 hours ago

Bots bots and more bots. I assume all of that garbage is coming from a room full of shoulder to shoulder ruskies

FlyingSquid , 3 hours ago

I tend to go by Hanlon’s Razor unless given reason to do otherwise.

FlexibleToast , 4 hours ago

Cool strawman you’re beating up. I think the majority of us that didn’t want Biden is because he didn’t have a good path to victory. We didn’t want to just stand by and watch the train wreck happen. Harris isn’t much better, but at least she is better, and I will be on board with that of that’s who is chosen. I would rather see Whitmer be on the top of the ticket though.

FlyingSquid , 4 hours ago

One of my strawmen replied to me below. You should tell them about how I knocked them down.

FlexibleToast , 3 hours ago

You will never please everybody.

FlyingSquid , 3 hours ago

I thought I was beating up strawmen? Now they exist?

You do understand what a straw man argument is, right?

FlexibleToast , 2 hours ago

The strawman is acting like they’re the majority.

FlyingSquid , 2 hours ago

When did I do such a thing? Please quote me.

FlexibleToast , 2 hours ago

Any moment now, the ‘don’t vote for Biden’ group will be in here telling us not to vote for Harris. And if it isn’t Harris, they’ll tell us not to vote for whoever it is.

FlyingSquid , 2 hours ago

Yes. That is what I wrote. What specifically there suggests I was talking about the majority?

Do you think ‘group’ means ‘majority?’ Maybe English isn’t your first language.

FlexibleToast , 2 hours ago

The fact that you even wrote it at all implies they’re a major group. Why bring up the insignificant minority?

FlyingSquid , 2 hours ago

You are not psychic. You do not get to tell me what I was implying. Especially when I am telling you otherwise.

FlexibleToast , 1 hour ago

Now you’re back peddling. Maybe you should actually say what you mean instead of leaving it up to interpretation.

FlyingSquid , 1 hour ago

Maybe you should have asked.

Omniraptor , 4 hours ago

as a queer leftist (look up ag kamala’s record on gender affirming care for trans inmates for a fun time) I support her on electoral grounds- she isn’t visibly falling apart at the seams like Biden and can do the physical work of campaigning and interacting with potential voters. We can work with this.

She is also on record as having a somewhat tougher stance on Israel’s war (unlike Joe, who supported them no matter what they did). That’s my personal red-line issue so I’m glad there’s some semblance of a shift there :/

PriorityMotif , 3 hours ago

I’m sure that her stance could have changed from that time as it’s become a more understood issue now from then. It’s the people that the president appoints that are ultimately responsible for policy in their departments.

kandoh , 3 hours ago

She’s one of the reasons if someone were to kill you they wouldn’t be able to use ‘i panicked’ as a defense.

SpaceCowboy , 2 hours ago

Well VPs traditionally will say the things the President can’t say publicly for geopolitical reasons. Harris may have been saying the things the Biden was thinking but couldn’t directly say while actively negotiating with Netanyahu. Can’t be sure but it’s a more likely scenario than her going rogue against someone on the same ticket as her.

Doesn’t matter now, but more for future reference. If a future President Harris isn’t saying what you want her to say on foreign policy issues but her VP is, you’ll know what’s up.

mecfs , 3 hours ago

• and disabled people

Natanael , 3 hours ago

And soon enough, the wrong kind of christians

some_guy , 3 hours ago

Until Harris fucks up terribly in public and jeopardizes her campaign, I won’t be advocating for her replacement. I never said “don’t vote Biden.” I said “run somebody better.” Keeping Trump out of office is more important to me than living in this country and I love where I live. I’m hopeful that Harris can win the trust of the people and prevent my having to relocate (and a bunch of other bad shit).

dadarobot , 2 hours ago

Most of the biden haters i know on the left are upset about his support for israel. Harris has been much more critical of the genocide. We’ll just have to see.

I didnt want to vote for biden, but was still going to vote blue no matter who. Im glad i dont have to vote for genocide anymore.

Frozengyro , 40 minutes ago

I’m sure you still will have to unfortunately.

aStonedSanta , 51 minutes ago

Yeah I like Harris less than Biden. Sad day tbh.

hotpot8toe , 5 hours ago

Update: He endorsed Harris: nitter.poast.org/JoeBiden/…/1815087772216303933#m

Hello_there , 5 hours ago

I'm going to donate to DNC to signal that this was a good idea

MeThisGuy , 3 hours ago

straight shooter