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taanegl , to news in Second Boeing whistleblower dies in less than two months

Goddamn. If there’s ever a class action suit where the witnesses get leaked, we might see the first case of corporate serial killing…

Can we then finally have corporal punishment for corporations plz? Corporal corporate punishment.

snekerpimp ,

They want to be considered people to influence the government, they should be tried as people and everyone running it receives the same sentence.

Neato ,
@Neato@ttrpg.network avatar

Capital punishment for corporations. Revoke their business license and liquidate their assess.

modifier ,

Redistribute their capital.

TexasDrunk ,

Redistribute their CEOs to fertilize the fields.

fukurthumz420 ,

^my man

kaffiene ,

Ultimately the CEOs are also employees. It’s the capital that pulls the strings

john89 ,

Nationalize them.

circuitfarmer ,
@circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

We have so many monopolistic companies in the US that should have been nationalized years ago. It’s one reason we can’t have nice things.

fine_sandy_bottom ,

I want this so much for so many things, but does it ever happen without a bloody revolution?

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Capital punishment for corporations.

Also for executives.

CheeseNoodle ,

Your a bit late, we’ve already had entire countries regimes overthrown and death squads in the name of corporate interests.

kaffiene ,

Yeah, but they were US companies doing to OTHER countries. Doesn’t count

Kiernian ,

To quote david rovics- “coke is the drink of the death squads.”

…wikipedia.org/…/Sindicato_Nacional_de_Trabajador…

Coca cola supposedly hired the AUC.

2xsaiko , to news in Second Boeing whistleblower dies in less than two months
@2xsaiko@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Relevant Onion Hard Drive article: hard-drive.net/…/boeing-expresses-condolences-in-…

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

That’s from a week ago. Reality shouldn’t be lapping satire this quickly.

0110010001100010 ,
@0110010001100010@lemmy.world avatar

Satire is dead, reality has long ago surpassed it.

A_Random_Idiot ,

Poes law died like…a decade or two ago.

candybrie ,

Poe’s Law is alive and well. That’s the problem.

DragonTypeWyvern ,

It was assassinated for political reasons by Godwin’s Law.

Empricorn ,

Satire implies some humor. This is terrifying. I 100% believe this giant corporation murdered these people and other ones will try to do the same. It’s like when Russia kills someone and barely tries to provide plausible deniability. Because there’s no consequences and they’ll get away with it anyway. And because they want to send a threatening message. We are literally living in a dystopia…

trafficnab ,

Boeing is a strategic military asset of the US government, who needs to hire private corporate hitmen when we have plenty of tax dollar funded ones

inb4_FoundTheVegan , to news in Second Boeing whistleblower dies in less than two months
@inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world avatar

It’s important to remember that Boeing isn’t JUST a plane company, but a government contractor that does a massive amount of rocket work for the armed forces.

There are more people than stock holders that have a vested interest in Boeing.

nondescripthandle ,

Including just about every single person who promised and/or would end up being responsible for conducting an investigation on them. Boeing is basically above the law as long as they pay the fines levyed by the courts that are overwhelmingly on their side.

TransplantedSconie , (edited ) to world in Biden calls for 'immediate ceasefire' in Gaza

He had to. He should have done it months ago tbh.

The mowing down of 700 people and killing 100 who were trying to get food and water is the last straw. Bibi is toast now. You’ll see a speech in the Knesset soon calling for his ouster and an end to the veto coverage Israel had in the UN.

TropicalDingdong ,

He could have done this in October.

Is it too little too late to save his presidential run?

We’ll see. He has to get the ceasefire first.

(There was another time Israel bombed and aid convoy (waiting till the aid was in a position to be destroyed), back in October, so its not like the first time they’ve done this even in this conflict.)

NoneOfUrBusiness ,

Honestly if he stops this mess now he should get enough lesser evil votes. Gotta also revert his position on the border and other things, but he still has time to save his campaign.

TropicalDingdong ,

His actually al strategy right now is just so fucking stupid.

It’s like he thinks he’s going to appeal to voters by taking in Trump’s policies.

He’s got no read on the country ATM.

DreamDrifter ,

Or he could do what most of the county wants, and give us meaningful change. That’s what has been drawing voters since Obama, that’s why Trump won in the first place - Hillary is the status quo incarnate

But we’ve been strung along for way too long, he needs to take a stand and make some enemies

NoneOfUrBusiness ,

I mean yeah but if he was going to do that he wouldn't be Genocide Joe "nothing will fundamentally change" Biden.

FenrirIII ,
@FenrirIII@lemmy.world avatar

Pretty sure the government has been trying to talk Israel down since things got way out of scope in November. But Bibi wants blood.

Pyr_Pressure ,

Bibi is now Hitler Lite in my opinion. The number of deaths aren’t quite there or the level of cruelty, but the intent and mindset is exactly the same and he could easily get to that cruelty and deathcount if not stopped.

JJROKCZ ,

I don’t think there are enough Palestinians on the planet to hit the body count of the holocaust… but that doesn’t mean that Israel’s actions are a lesser evil. Genocide is genocide

NoneOfUrBusiness ,

Yeah which is why they said the scale is different. They're talking about the mindset because let's face it, Israel wants to turn Gaza into Lebensraum. They've been pretty clear about that.

JustZ ,
@JustZ@lemmy.world avatar

That’s exactly what it means, what? Must be cool to live on an island unto yourself. In the real world choices have consequences though.

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

The amount of children being killed in Gaza every day matches that of a big concentration camp at the peak of the Holocaust.

jonne ,

Talking him down while sending more weapons in violation of US law?

index ,

Pretty sure the government has been trying to talk Israel down since things got way out of scope in November.

Wrong, government backed israel and provided them military aid and weapons.

Nudding ,

What world do you live in lol. They had Bidens support since 1970. Pelosi too. They were completely on board until like yesterday, due to pressure from the voter base.

octopus_ink ,

How the hell are you being downvoted? This is objectively true.

___ ,

Don’t call him Bibi. He deserves no cute nicknames which downplay these atrocities.

index ,

He had to. He should have done it months ago tbh.

The plan was to do it after gaza has been destroyed

GrymEdm , (edited ) to world in Biden calls for 'immediate ceasefire' in Gaza

Congratulations “Uncommitted” voters and other protesters, it looks like you are at least part of making Biden’s “blank check” support of Israel too politically expensive to continue. It will be interesting to see how this plays out as Biden tries to balance actions around an angry electorate vs. pro-Israel factions and money (which non-profit watchdog Open Secrets says he’s the largest recipient of). Especially with the unofficial cease-fire deadline of Ramadan only 10 days away which is expected to be the launch of an Israeli offensive in Rafah barring a temporary cease-fire agreement. I say temporary because Netanyahu is cited in that article as saying, “If we have a deal, it will be delayed somewhat, but it will happen. If we don’t have a deal, we’ll do it anyway”.

I hope this “no excuses” change in tone will yield meaningful results and most importantly relief for the civilians in Gaza.

phreekno ,
@phreekno@lemmy.world avatar

You must be some Russian/MAGA spam bot!! How dare you encourage them to just hand over the election to trump!

/s

GrymEdm ,

I know you’re making a joke, but it really is a crazy year to be an American voter. I laughed at Bill Burr’s take in December when he said (among other funny things) “I want someone in their 40’s. Someone who is going to have to live with their decisions”. I’m biased though because I’ve enjoyed Bill’s brutal comedy for years.

Trump would be a disaster in all respects, so I guess that decides things. Biden’s domestic policies don’t feature destroying checks and balances on power and revenge/witch hunts as key features. Democracy is supposed to be rule of the people via elected officials who genuinely represent them, so I’m happy to see the beginnings of a change in tone at least (and I dearly hope policy) from Biden. I’m definitely not cheering for another 2016.

SoylentBlake ,

Man that audio/video of Bibi saying genocide would continue and they were gonna level Gaza because the American people have given them a blank check and full support …yea …that was everything I expected from that fascist.

And as fascists (and corporatists; tho any difference is arguable) always do, he said the quiet part out loud, insinusting Israel’s stretched past their compacity while invigorating the anti-genocide (which I would hope is all of us, but clearly isn’t. I don’t see how a moral person rationalizes killing 20000 children) center/left to bolder action against Biden.

The news getting out of Bibi’s forces beating down the Orthodox in Jerusalem for protesting is indicative of a few things, mainly that dissent at home is greater than his propaganda machine can keep the lid on. His propaganda machine has been busch league, AT BEST. Obviously lying with AI generated photos. Idk about you, but I can’t believe a single thing that comes out of a zionists mouth. If the world didn’t stop their aggression, I think we all know full well they would’ve killed every single Palestinian down to the last.

Zionist has become as negative a word to me as Nazi. The only difference being pro-jew or anti-jew. I spit at them both.

LibertyLizard ,

Wait what? Can you link to this video?

jaxxed ,

Yes, please give us the video link. B.N. and members of his government have said home very bad things, but I’ve not heard that quote. We would join your sentiment if you could be more factual.

LibertyLizard ,

Unfortunately it’s been a few days so I’m not sure we’re going to get it. I looked but couldn’t find any quote like this. I suspect this is a distorted version of something he did say but without knowing his exact words I would take the above comment with a large grain of salt.

Atyno ,
@Atyno@dmv.social avatar

I feel like it was that gunning down incident with the humanitarian aid that ultimately tipped the scales.

I know I’ve been going on defense for Israel a lot recently, but I am kinda playing messenger boy as a neutral for being both here and some pro-Israel groups. The Michigan vote didn’t really phase them, that incident did. Seen them even sharing more info about how ridiculously strict Bibi is with aid in general.

GrymEdm , (edited )

I think the Michigan vote and subsequent media coverage was meaningful, but I agree there’s no denying the shooting had a big impact. Thank you for adding that perspective. My guess is having both happen so close to each other increased the total effect. Regardless, it’s going to be an important 10 days coming up.

cmbabul ,

Realistically it’s probably both in some sort of confluence, the campaign hears the uncommitted vote news and then the massacre happens and they see it as an opportunity to about face without making it look like they are back tracking previous moves. It’s cynical as hell but I think it’s probably likely

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Nah israel did shootings like that every week. Biden doesn’t care about brown people dying. I’d argue that the hospital massacre israel committed was far worse optically

Michigan did this. All the people that refused to bend the knee and vote for Biden in December if he continues the Genocide.

And Aaron Bushnell. His sacrifice was a huge turning point.

Atyno , (edited )
@Atyno@dmv.social avatar

You’d think that, but humans can be weird with what actually causes introspection.

The hospital thing they just took the official line for. They actually mocked Aaron, or were actually grateful he took his own life thinking he was a disturbed individual.

Edit: If you want to understand the logic: they’re willing to turn a blind eye if they can “both sides” incidents so they can simply keep their position of “Israel has a right to defend itself, regardless if they’re not saints about it”.

The humanitarian aid story is getting them because Bibi won’t even let them do that! Hence why I mentioned the story sharing, since they know Bibi had made it clear he wants to starve Palestinians.

Krauerking ,

Oh it’s absolutely from the mass shooting and terror incident at the humanitarian aid delivery.

The optics on that are awful and being repressed pretty hard since there really ain’t going to be a good look for that.

“The IDF soldiers were scared” oh grow up.

But Biden was insistent that he was heading towards a cease fire that probably got massively pushed back because of that incident crushing even more of the little remaining trust in Israel by citizens of Palestine.

Air dropping food in away from soldiers makes it so it’s an obvious sign that it’s not a trap from IDF shows they understand there is starvation and tries to claw back the trust at least in the US of being helpful. Probably expect a lot more aid and some heavy pushing from the US to look trustworthy to start talks through.

rambaroo ,

This is what pisses me off about “moderates”. All they give a damn about is optics and winning the next election. The rest of us understand that the only power we have is our vote, and if we don’t use that power to its full extent, which means threatening to withhold it, we’ll never get any concession from any politician.

The rest of you are quite literally shills who simply don’t give a shit about what’s happening in Palestine. You just do what you’re told to and act like that makes you a good person. You weren’t even willing to do the bare minimum of using your voice, because you dummy actually care.

FlyingSquid , to news in Second Boeing whistleblower dies in less than two months
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Wait until Trump gets into office and becomes a dictator “on day one only.” This will be legal.

Coreidan ,

Doubt it. He couldn’t do it in his first term why the fuck would he suddenly be able to make it happen the second term? He’s a pile of shit but he wouldn’t ever make it happen.

Obligatory fuck Trump comment.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar
Coreidan ,

Never gonna happen.

raynethackery ,

Just like Roe v Wade being overturned.

dch82 ,

@remindme 1 year

frezik ,

Despite the downvotes, you’re probably right. Not because they won’t try, but because they’re not smart enough to pull it off.

They will do monumental damage in the process of trying, though.

EldritchFeminity ,

It took the Nazis two tries, too.

Lifecoach5000 ,

@remindme 1 year

remindme Bot ,

@Lifecoach5000 Ok, I will remind you on Friday May 2, 2025 at 8:40 AM PDT.

index ,

You don’t have to wait it’s already happening. Vote red and blue out

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Who exactly am I supposed to vote for that has a credible chance of beating both Trump and Biden?

goldenlocks ,

Then get off your lazy ass and make another party more popular

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

That’s not an answer. Who am I supposed to vote for?

goldenlocks ,

Jill Stein, you could be gathering support for her, but instead complain and vote for either of the right wing candidates

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Jill Stein does not have a credible chance of beating both Trump and Biden and why is it my job to do that?

goldenlocks ,

Because she is the candidate of the largest party representing policies you “support” like universal healthcare. You could have spent the last 4 years helping build the party, or another party, or making your own party but instead did nothing.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Dude, I’m seriously ill. I don’t eat solid food. I just got back from the Mayo Clinic. I can’t walk the dogs without getting worn out.

This is not my job. I can’t even hold a regular job.

goldenlocks ,

That sucks, but it’s all our job. Trying my best to get you and everyone else being exploited by our medical system help!

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

So despite the fact that I don’t even have the energy to walk more than half an hour, you expect me to go canvassing? Do you want to put me in a wheelchair and push me around?

goldenlocks ,

No of course not, but you do comment a lot on lemmy. I’ll keep on talking to people in person we need an online presence as well, I’m trying to post in support of Jill on lemmy and reddit

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

It’s May. Jill Stein has no chance in 2024 no matter how much you want that to happen. Not a single poll shows her in even the double digits.

goldenlocks ,

Yet you post 1000 comments on lemmy without even attempting to change that. I am expressing democracy, you are not.

ggppjj ,

Oh well then, that certainly does help both this person and america in general. Glad we cleared that up and justified your incredibly inflexible approach to telling a disabled person to “get off their lazy ass”. You’re expressing democracy, got it.

goldenlocks ,

Hilarious. Every liberal uses the same logic: “I wish there was another option but we have to vote blue!” without putting any effort into supporting another party. The dude literally comments thousands of times.

Love how you try to act like I knew they were disabled when I told them that, pathetic from you.

ggppjj ,

Love how you equate commenting numbers with ability to do anything, and the reframing of my “pathetic” comment about being inflexible in your arguments once you were made aware of their disabilities as me saying you should have known from the start.

One big love-fest here!

goldenlocks ,

inflexible in your arguments once you were made aware of their disabilities

Not true at all, I said we need an online presence and already welcome many disabled people in our ballot efforts through calls and online outreach.

It is pathetic you tried to paint my comment as ableist when no one was aware of the poster’s situation and my statement is true. Liberals do need to get off their ass, but instead complain and vote for Dems.

UncleTron ,

Love this.

rusticus ,

You mean Jill “Russia funded but slightly less than Trump” Stein lol?

homesweethomeMrL ,

Jill “sitting-between-Putin-and-convicted-felon-and-unregistered-foreign-agent-Michael-Flynn” Stein who collected millions for a recount and then just kept it?

Yeah, nah. Never.

ggppjj ,

I agree, and strongly believe that the most helpful way forward in this respect would be to implement ranked choice voting, which is just about as out-of-reach to most Americans as a viable third-party candidate is today.

Maybe the next try at democracy will be the one that sticks.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I would love an alternative to our current FPTP system, but I don’t see it happening.

index ,

You can vote for whoever you want, at this point pretty much everyone has a chance to beat these two mad men

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

That’s ludicrous. You show me one poll that agrees with you.

index ,

You are supposed to vote for the best nominee not according to made up poll

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Maybe you throw your vote away on someone who has zero chance of winning, but that’s not how I vote.

index ,

Votes aren’t like your bigmac, you can’t throw them away

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

You absolutely can. By voting for someone who has no chance of winning. It’s purely a thing to make you feel good about yourself. And no one will know either. You could claim you voted for Cornel West but actually vote for Trump and no one will be able to say you were lying.

I’m never going to get what I want, so I vote pragmatically. And stopping the guy who literally says he’s going to be a dictator seems like a pretty fucking important thing to do.

index ,

Children in gaza and in the middle east will be the judges of your vote

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

How many Palestinian children’s lives will voting for a candidate that will definitely lose save?

index ,

Not supporting these fueling the genocide could indeed save lives.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

You didn’t answer my question.

index ,

You sound brainwashed, i presume that by “candidate that will definitely lose” you mean someone that isn’t strictly part of the red and blue party. In this case not supporting any of these and voting for someone else could indeed save lives.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

This goes back to my original question- which candidate other than Trump or Biden has a chance of winning? You certainly haven’t named them.

index ,

Any candidate has the same chances of winning otherwise the election would be rigged

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

No. That is not how elections have ever worked. It has never been that every candidate has an equal chance of winning. Not in ancient Athens and not today in the U.S.

There’s a reason why polling is done.

index ,

There’s a reason why polling is done.

polls can be rigged

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Irrelevant to my point, which I think you know.

rusticus ,

Go back to Russia shill. No rational human would equate red and blue.

index ,

I challenge you to locate russia on a map

rusticus ,

Don’t need to. I’d just ask you to tell me where homeland is lol.

index ,

planet earth, i wonder what is yours

KillingTimeItself ,

yeah fuck colors, i like numbers. I’m voting for numbers this cycle around.

rusticus ,

The Purge. Brought to you by Carls Jr and President Trump.

pressanykeynow ,

Isn’t it legal now? Did the US government nullify any Boeing contracts because of the first murder? Any of the Boeing heads and their government stooges in prison?

wewbull , to world in Biden calls for 'immediate ceasefire' in Gaza

Now tell your UN ambassador to reverse the veto in the security council so UN troops can actually do something about this.

JustZ ,
@JustZ@lemmy.world avatar

Never going to happen. ✅

IchNichtenLichten , to world in Biden calls for 'immediate ceasefire' in Gaza
@IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world avatar

It’s in Netanyahu’s interest to drag this out until November and do everything he can to make Biden lose to Trump. After that, all he has to do is mention the chonky fascist’s “big manly hands” and he gets to do all the genocide he wants while continuing to keep his corrupt ass out of jail.

Biden needs to wake the fuck up.

nova_ad_vitum ,

Trump will offer Netanyahu the full services of the 6th fleet within days of taking office.

PiratePanPan , to news in Second Boeing whistleblower dies in less than two months
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platypus_plumba ,

“It’s done Mr. President.”

archon ,

“Is it done, Yuri?”

“No, Comrade President, it has only begun.”

abracaDavid , to world in Biden calls for 'immediate ceasefire' in Gaza

Just had to wait for there to be 30,000 Palestinian deaths first.

9/11 had 2,996 deaths for a little bit of context. Just imagine what would be happening right now if there were 30,000 dead Americans.

Balinares ,

Empirically: a pandemic. :(

index ,

They waited and will wait until the goal is achieved which is destroying gaza and drive as many palestinians away so that israel can extend its state.

theletterd ,

Theyve returned the hostages right? Did we forget about the hostages?

uSpetzWon ,

Well, this is what is happening right now because there were 1319 dead Israelis.

memri.org/…/palestinians-gaza-west-bank-celebrate…

radicalautonomy ,

Be right back, getting popcorn.

JustZ ,
@JustZ@lemmy.world avatar

Uno Reverse: the actual genocidal and apartheid party operating in Israel was always Hamas! ✅

snek ,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

But what Israel did to Gazans is just as bad as a thousand October 7th.

Diva ,
@Diva@lemmy.ml avatar

America has 9/11s of covid deaths monthly, long after Biden “ended covid” with Trump’s strategy of “just stop reporting the numbers”. That’s what our journalists also do with all of the people murdered by Israel. Keep them out of sight, out of mind.

Urist ,
@Urist@lemmy.ml avatar

To be fair, it is medically hard to determine whether elderly people die with covid or from it.

Diva ,
@Diva@lemmy.ml avatar

I’m sure that it is, but it’s not just elderly dying, plenty of kids and their parents are suffering. I just read a NPR puff piece about a landlord who finally got their investment property ‘back’ by evicting their tenant… a recently widowed healthcare worker with a child. It’s almost like we shouldn’t be trying to just return to ‘normal’ with an uncontrolled pandemic raging.

nomous ,

As many people die from covid as do from influenza or RSV at this point. I’m not saying it’s not a serious illness but I am saying it’s very far from “an uncontrolled pandemic” and saying it is is hyperbolic to the point of disregarding any other point you made.

Diva ,
@Diva@lemmy.ml avatar

We’ve given up on all testing, masking, vaccination and even quarantining at this point. 9/11s of people are dying monthly from all manner of respiratory diseases (after getting wrecked by covid). What exactly would uncontrolled look like to you then?

barsoap ,

Uncontrolled would be the very start of the pandemic, with neither masking nor immune people. It’s not a wildfire any more, not even in the US with their proclivity to shoot themselves in the foot. It’s better controlled than influenza simply because more people got shots against it.

nomous , (edited )

That’s all I’m saying. Yes it’s a dangerous illness, but ERs aren’t overwhelmed by patients like they were late 2020. I think part of the issue is semantics and a lot of people not realizing just how dangerous full-on influenza is, it’s absolutely a deadly virus and 10s of thousands of people die from it every year right here in the first world; much less in the 3rd world.

edit: get mad about it but I guess you don’t remember lockdowns and toilet paper shortages. I never got to work from home (medical-related field yay), I know exactly what uncontrolled looks like. If you want to panic about something start reading into microplastics, way more long term damage we’re only beginning to understand. Plastics are everywhere.

barsoap ,

I think part of the issue is semantics: People think that “controlled” is as much as an absolute as “uncontrolled”. Control over such things will never be absolute as medicine isn’t omnipotent.

And then they’re mardy, thinking “if not for those anti-maskers we would have that absolute control” – nah. They can’t take from the rest of us power that we never had. And even over here in my state with like 85% immunisation and noone griping at masks (wat mutt dat mutt) there’s still cases. That failing (because people don’t become noticeably symptomatic), there’s measurable viral load in wastewater: The bug is still around, just not really an issue any more. We’ve basically forgotten about it at this point, people over 80 or otherwise susceptible get refresher shots, but they’re getting shots against a fuckton of things so it’s not special, any more.

The pandemic got brought into control even with covidiots around. And if it hadn’t been for medicine saving a gazillion lives, our collective immune system would’ve done it in a decade or two.

ltxrtquq ,

As many people die from covid as do from influenza or RSV at this point.

I understand you don’t feel affected by covid anymore, but you’re incredibly wrong.

CDC estimates for influenza deaths in the 2022-2023 flu season: 21,000

CDC cumulative covid deaths from Sep 9, 2023 minus Oct 1, 2022: 84,560

Honestly, I’m not seeing a death count for RSV, but based on this RSV Burden Estimates, it’s at most: 10,300 per year.

And this is all shown pretty well in the Trends in Viral Respiratory Deaths in the United States graph.

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/77a880db-13fc-4dc7-b78b-19daccd7f771.png

Urist ,
@Urist@lemmy.ml avatar

Not denying covid is more deadly than influenza or RSV, but you still have to account for the fact that covid might kill an old person that would otherwise die to influenza in a month or two (or something else, they are old and their bodies are degrading inevitably). That is why sustained increased death rates in corrolation to covid numbers is a better qualifier for the argument that we have to take precautions to limit people dying. I have been of the understanding that after the major initial waves, death rates are not higher than usual and hence unsustained.

ltxrtquq ,

Even if I ignore you moving the goalposts, would you really look at a graph like this https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/stories/2022/03/united-states-deaths-spiked-as-covid-19-continued-figure-2.jpg

that’s a few years out of date and assume the total deaths settled back down into the old pattern?

I’m not finding a more up-to-date data source for deaths per month, but it’s not like you’re providing any kind of data that covid isn’t still killing a lot of extra people per year.

Urist , (edited )
@Urist@lemmy.ml avatar

I am not from the US, but here are the statistics from Norway where no covid measurements have been in place since the start of 2022. The table below is official statistics on mortality nationwide:

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/fa59590d-4b87-411c-9451-10b325aefd09.jpeg

Also, I got this first from discussions with some newly graduated medicine students. It is not like I was pulling it from my ass in the first place.

If there is any discrepancy in mortality rates, it could very well be caused by different ratios of vaccinated populace:

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/44981c5f-44ba-4f2f-b97e-1046fe11c9ba.png

ltxrtquq ,

It looks like you’re getting the data from here (except the Norwegian language version), so I have to ask: is there a reason you’re cutting off the part of the graph showing “Deaths per 1000 mean population” spiking in 2022? https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/dfc39c8b-8a96-46d0-8fb0-5ebe33b939df.png

This new table is from here, and you can click “Choose variables” at the top if you want to see different data. But even just the graph you provided shows that total deaths for both sexes jumped up dramatically in 2022, the year you say covid restrictions were lifted. What are you trying to prove here exactly?

Urist ,
@Urist@lemmy.ml avatar

The population is slowly increasing but for the purposes of calculating the mean mortality can be treated as a constant, which is why I did not care about the weird cut off caused by me using my mobile phone and the table not adjusting for it. The increase of 2022 and 2021 was expected due to general decline of normal viruses (caused by covid measurements), which in turn made the general populace more susceptible to being sick later through decline in antibodies (due to smaller contagion, not some collective breakthrough in immune systems) through large parts of the pandemic. Either way, the point that I am making is that vaccines and effective health care to those sick with covid provides a highly effective measurement against it. This so much to the point that there is not, by Norwegian consitutional law, enough reason to keep the temporary measurements going any longer.

It was right to stop social contact. It was right to vaccinate everyone that could and wanted to (should have made it mandatory for all that could in my opinion). Then, afterwards, it was right to open schools and other parts of society gradually.

What are you trying to prove here exactly?

That it was right to open up after a critical percentage of the populace had been vaccinated with what has proven to be highly effective vaccines (better than we could have hoped, to be honest). Also I want to discredit the point that there is a raging pandemic. Even if it was raging in the US, which is not strictly true either, it would be more correct to call it an epidemic at this point caused by ineffective vaccination rates and shitty access to public health care for way too many people.

ltxrtquq ,

So if I’m understanding you correctly, you went from

you still have to account for the fact that covid might kill an old person that would otherwise die to influenza in a month or two

thinking covid wasn’t causing any/many additional deaths per year, just speeding them up a little

to providing a graph that shows thousands of extra people are dying each year

The increase of 2022 and 2021 was expected due to general decline of normal viruses (caused by covid measurements)

to saying all those extra deaths were because people weren’t getting sick from normal diseases, despite us not seeing much of a drop in 2020 from people not getting those diseases during the covid restrictions. But now that the restrictions are lifted and they’re being exposed to those normal diseases (and covid) again, all/most of theses extra deaths are from the normal diseases and have nothing to do with covid.

Norway absolutely did a better job at handling covid than the US, but the US’s death rate seems to just be permanently higher now as a direct result of covid. Maybe removing all restrictions was the right thing to do, but we shouldn’t ignore the fact that it comes at the cost of several thousand more people dying each year, just in Norway.

Urist ,
@Urist@lemmy.ml avatar

It was, as I said, not a sustained increase:

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/b57a4201-174b-4df5-b77b-46fba02e22ff.jpeg

From that we can conclude that after an initial burst in death numbers, as covid and other viruses passes through the populace (which is bound to happen without indefinite restrictions), death rates return to normal. Also, with respect to uncontrolled spread in unnvaccinated populace, the increase was very minor. Actually comparable to a few high normal years earlier. Hence we can conclude reopening of society and the vaccines enabling it to be a major success, all things concidered, yeah.

You are very much wrong in saying stuff like each year and so on. There is no data to back your claim.

ltxrtquq ,

From that we can conclude that after an initial burst in death numbers, as covid and other viruses passes through the populace, death rates return to normal.

I mean, no, we really can’t. There’s not enough data available (that I’m willing to search for) to say for absolutely sure that excess deaths has increased and will stay high, but even just the snapshot you provided here shows that it’s slightly lower in January, and massively higher the rest of the year. Maybe the May 2023 data shows that the numbers are evening out compared to 2016-2019, but the one year we actually get to see shows way more excess deaths over the course of a year compared to before. You can’t just look at the most recent month, that’s not how yearly trends and averages work.

You won’t have much of an argument that the numbers are going back to “normal” until you’ve got closer to a full year’s worth of data with that excess deaths line being close to zero.

Urist ,
@Urist@lemmy.ml avatar

Yea, “totally absolute for sure” was the standard you applied to yourself, I assume, when you talked about how thousands will die for sure in the coming years in perpetuity? The numbers for 2023 are no higher than normal either, and this time I won’t bother to dig them up for you just so you can make a shitty accusation about me cropping a screenshot to not include info or something. There is no data that backs the claims you have made. I have provided more than sufficient for mine.

Edit: I guess next time I see a fucking “mOVInG tHe GOOalPoSt!!!” I will take the clue and not fucking bother.

ltxrtquq , (edited )

The numbers for 2023 are no higher than normal either

The numbers for 2023 in the 2-3 months you have data for. Look at the rest of the graph, how it starts off lower in January and is higher for the rest of the year. Go back up and look at this graph https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/77a880db-13fc-4dc7-b78b-19daccd7f771.png

and see how covid comes in waves each year, not evenly distributed throughout. Then go back and look at this graph https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/stories/2022/03/united-states-deaths-spiked-as-covid-19-continued-figure-2.jpg

and see that based on the data we have in the US, deaths per year has stayed above the previous yearly patterns. We don’t have all the data over a long period of time because covid hasn’t been around for all that long. But from what we can see so far, it kills people. The exact number per year remains to be seen, but from the data we have it’s been in the thousands, just in Norway.

Edit: I guess next time I see a fucking “mOVInG tHe GOOalPoSt!!!” I will take the clue and not fucking bother.

Half of the sources you posted actively worked against your own arguments. Maybe you shouldn’t bother.

EDIT of my own: After looking at one of your sources (Eurostat)

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/1fd3982e-6bff-4adc-a0c1-5965dcf6e7ac.png

you can see that January-March was lower than 2016-2019, but it’s been on the rise again across the EU, and especially in Norway. Again, you can’t just look at one single month and decide that it’s representative of everything, everywhere, across all time going forward.

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  • lolcatnip ,

    It’s sometimes hard to say an individual death was for sure caused by COVID, but it’s easy to compare the number of deaths to the historical average and see how many more happened. It’s really the only way to get a good count of COVID related deaths, because looking at excess deaths will also reveal how many people are being killed indirectly, such as dying due to lack of medical care because COVID was overwhelming the hospitals.

    Urist , (edited )
    @Urist@lemmy.ml avatar

    I agree with you and actually argued for this further down some comment chain. However, mortality increase was temporary in Norway where I am from (and AFAIK mostwhere in Europe), hence indicate that there is no uncontrolled pandemic here.

    Here is an infographic from the start of 2023:

    https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/1797bb0e-03ea-440d-a7b4-64151d57aee7.jpeg

    ltxrtquq ,

    You should probably be looking at trends over a longer period of time, rather than just a single month.

    https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/1fd3982e-6bff-4adc-a0c1-5965dcf6e7ac.png

    From here. There was a dip below the 2016-2019 average in January through March of 2023, but time marches on.

    theletterd ,

    How many non-Americans died as a result of 9/11? How many in Iraq, Afghanistan and other countries in the global war on terror? I’m guessing a shit ton more than 30,000.

    It’s only going to increase every day the hostages aren’t returned.

    feedum_sneedson ,

    Like a million just in Iraq I think.

    dumpsterlid ,

    What a stunning fucking number, it isn’t just murder on a mass scale, it is the denial of an entire future reality for a country because of the massive empty spaces all that destruction and death cause.

    Maggoty ,

    Lol no. Most studies are in the 250,000 to 500,000 range and include deaths because of coalition forces, the civil war (“sectarian violence”), and AQ.

    This is also over a much larger population, time period, and area.

    feedum_sneedson ,

    Bunch of children died due to a reduction in quality of diet, healthcare, education. A lot of it was sanction related. Believe it or not, didn’t pull the number out of my arse.

    Maggoty ,

    So you’re using the study that adds in assumed deaths in the ten years before the Iraq war as a misleading figure for the Iraq war. Just so we’re clear that isn’t an apples to apples comparison. Unless you want to put the work in to check those numbers for Gaza since the mid 2000’s when Israel began it’s blockade.

    But that would require acknowledging the last 15 to 20 years of Israeli fuckery. So instead you went and found the biggest possible number to tag the US with as some kind of perverse shield for Israeli war crimes.

    feedum_sneedson ,

    God, people on Lemmy are weird.

    meliaesc ,

    Jesus you people are never happy.

    cecinestpasunbot ,

    Biden gave material support to Israel’s genocidal campaign which has killed over 30,000 people. You’re delusional if you think paying lip service to a ceasefire while still actively supporting the genocide is going to satisfy anyone.

    kabe , (edited ) to world in Biden calls for 'immediate ceasefire' in Gaza
    @kabe@lemmy.world avatar

    Sadly, this headline seems to be misleading. Checking for additional sources, I can find none that confirm that he actually called for a ceasefire.

    According to the Associated Press, he did decry the loss of life in Gaza and announce that the US are about to commence airdrops of humanitarian aid, but at no point did he seem to do what this headline implies.

    A Reuters article covering the same conference mentions the possibility of a ceasefire, but this apparently referred to a previous conversation a few days ago.

    Unless anyone can find evidence to the contrary, I have to assume that this Newshub article is clickbait.

    absentbird OP ,
    @absentbird@lemm.ee avatar

    I found a video of him saying it: wlbt.com/…/biden-calls-immediate-cease-fire-gaza/

    kabe ,
    @kabe@lemmy.world avatar

    Thanks, I couldn’t find that part anywhere.

    I’m personally not sure that saying “We’re trying to work out … an immediate ceasefire” has nearly the same urgency as as calling for one, but hey at least it’s something.

    themoonisacheese ,
    @themoonisacheese@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Well, especially considering he has the leverage to just go “you stop that now or no more arms” and Israel would have no choice but stop that instant, “trying to negotiate a deal” is a particularly weak choice of words.

    kabe ,
    @kabe@lemmy.world avatar

    That’s why I did a double take when I saw the above headline. Biden finally putting his foot down and strong-arming Israel into a ceasefire would be huge.

    But alas…

    Skua ,

    I'm not sure that Israel actually would have to stop in that circumstance. It's a wealthy country with one of the world's biggest arms industries, and it's not like this is a peer conflict

    holycrap ,

    “For at least 6 weeks”

    That’s a start at least.

    ricdeh , to world in Biden calls for 'immediate ceasefire' in Gaza
    @ricdeh@lemmy.world avatar

    Too little, too late. Military intervention or nothing, Israel and Gaza need to be taken in by UN peacekeeping forces and a new dialogue needs to be started about how to find a permanent solution for the coexistence of Palestinians and Israelis. If the need exists, maybe even deconstruct the current Israel to make way for a more tolerant and democratic nation that respects people of all origin.

    MeanEYE ,
    @MeanEYE@lemmy.world avatar

    Doubt UN troops would help here. They’d either get swayed like UNRWA was or would get the same treatment as Israelis.

    filister ,

    What is more plausible according to you:

    • Hamas managed to sway UNRWA and pretty much all of the known humanitarian organisations operating in Gaza?
    • Or that the situation on the ground is really dire and it was like this long before the 7th of October no matter what Israel is claiming.

    And please feel free to send me any article of any non affiliated NGO or humanitarian organisation with Israel praising their efforts to achieve long lasting peace before the 7th of October.

    Because I can easily do the opposite.

    Maggoty ,

    Our own intelligence agencies rated that as “low confidence”. Which is the Intel version of pressing F to doubt. It means they found nothing to support the allegations. Typically it’s followed by the briefer saying something like, “we do not recommend action on this item at this time.”

    chiliedogg ,

    They absolutely need a 2-state solution.

    And neither of the 2 states should be the current states of Israel or Palestine.

    Maggoty ,

    A 2 state solution is effectively impossible at this point. Israel won’t let their settlements go and the Palestinians will not accept anything less than the 1967 borders. There’s also the split country problem. Bangladesh used to be East Pakistan. Split countries have a bad habit of one part getting exploited pretty hard.

    chiliedogg ,

    So what you’re saying is the problem with the 2-state solution is the 2 existing states that I specifically said shouldn’t be part of the solution?

    Maggoty ,

    You can’t just do a rebrand. These are thousand year old ethic identities. There has to be a structural change as well.

    dangblingus ,

    It’s about re-election optics, not about helping Gazans.

    abracaDavid ,

    Ding ding ding!

    They started seeing everyone posting on social media that they’re not voting to support us paying for a genocide.

    dumpsterlid ,

    Vote “uncommitted” in the primaries, all the centrists shaming progressives for having a red line at “genocide” are so desperately wrong about now being not the time to raise our voices, fuck them.

    The only way to get Biden to care about the horrific mass slaughter of an entire population is to directly make him afraid he won’t get his power trip again if he doesn’t capitulate because it is blindly obvious nothing else will sway him until it’s farrrrrrrrr too late.

    After the election is the worst time to do it, if Biden wins he will just completely ignore progressive/almost unanimous international outcry over Israel’s genocide and continue handwringing because why would he do otherwise given his ideology and the fact that he doesn’t need the votes anymore?

    crystalmerchant , to world in Biden calls for 'immediate ceasefire' in Gaza

    “war-torn strip”???

    More like, “massacred and obliterated strip”. Not much of a “war” going on here

    lagomorphlecture , to world in Biden calls for 'immediate ceasefire' in Gaza

    Cool, cool. Are we still supplying weapons to Israel? Give the weapons to Ukraine and tell Israel that’s enough genocide for now.

    filister ,

    Didn’t he claim he will airdrop humanitarian aid in Ukraine.

    Damn you guys behind the pond should introduce a law setting the max age a person can hold a presidential position. There is a reason why old people are not given a driver’s license and you should take the cue and do something about it.

    TacoButtPlug ,
    @TacoButtPlug@sh.itjust.works avatar

    We’re trying but we’re up against hateful shitty old fucks who have a deathgrip on positions of power, absolutely stupid masses who enjoy a steady diet of warped theocratic leadership mixed in with batshit conspiracy, an alarming growing group of outright fascist af young people, and then a rather large contingent of apathetic cunts who can’t be bothered with doing the bare minimum in civic duties. It’s a fucking mess here. Not looking great.

    dumpsterlid ,

    I don’t disagree with you but at least along the issue of Gaza, young people are OVERWHELMING on the side of reason and that is heartening even while it is heartbreaking to see it doesn’t fucking move the needle on Biden’s actions even a nanometer.

    absentbird OP ,
    @absentbird@lemm.ee avatar

    It seems to be moving his actions somewhat. He’s calling for a ceasefire and airdropping aid to Gaza. I feel like a lot of that is due to pressure from constituents.

    dumpsterlid ,

    Yeah kinda feels like he is airdropping hotdogs into a baseball stadium though, like, ok those people needed hot dogs but what about the whole hot dog distributing apparatus that is surrounding all those people with multiple concession stands distributed strategically throughout the stadium to minimize congestion and even people walking around who specialize in just distributing hot dogs. Kinda feels like you are beating around the bush buddy when you plan to airdrop hotdogs into the baseball stadium instead of just having all of those people and systems start giving people hotdogs who need them.

    I hope the pressure keeps making him take concrete steps though.

    TacoButtPlug ,
    @TacoButtPlug@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Gotta wonder if he’d care if it weren’t election season, though. After his whole four year term he finally got around to wiping my student debt a week ago. I know that was election driven.

    Facebones ,

    Oh we let old people drive too, there’s not really any tangible system for ensuring they’re still capable. There’s a way your doctor can have it pulled but healthcare is privatized so they’ll just shop around for the guy who’ll say it’s totally fine if they have to.

    My ex’s mom randomly passed out completely multiple times a day sometimes, it never got pulled - until some innocent pedestrian paid the ultimate price for eagle fuckin American “freedom.”

    slacktoid , to news in Second Boeing whistleblower dies in less than two months
    @slacktoid@lemmy.ml avatar

    Lemme guess, they died of natural causes like gravity or something right?

    Deceptichum ,
    @Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Illness as confirmed by mother.

    neuropean ,

    Pneumonia and a MRSA infection, also suffered a stroke. I wonder if someone could weaponize MRSA, perhaps aerosolize it?

    sanpedropeddler ,

    Or he just died. Gonna throw that out there as a possibility

    Infynis ,
    @Infynis@midwest.social avatar

    It’s possible. But corporations haven’t changed in the past 100 years. Wizards of the Coast hired the Pinkertons, film studios have more power now than they ever did back when they were broken up with anti-trust laws, and children are still working in dangerous factories. It’s not much of a stretch to believe that a massive military contractor would engage in some good old fashioned corporate assassination.

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    Or heck just someone who works there and doesn’t want to go down with the ship. I doubt they are having high level board meetings about plans to kill people.

    afraid_of_zombies , (edited )

    Sure, and I could be Andy Kaufman. You have to admit that there is at least a chance that Andy Kaufman didn’t die of cancer, faked his death, hid for decades for no clear reason, and is talking to you now.

    sanpedropeddler ,

    That’s true, but I would say its significantly less likely than my theory of a person dying, as they often do. Its also a distinct possibility it was caused by an external force as people here are insinuating. I just don’t think its a good idea to pretend that’s the only plausible explanation.

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    Sure must be a coincidence. Nothing to see here. Another Boeing whistleblower just randomly died within a month of a different one.

    I wonder if you will maintain your position when the next one dies

    sanpedropeddler ,

    I have no position other than believing its a possibility it wasn’t an assassination. Assuming that’s what you’re referring to, yes I will maintain that position.

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    And I am pointing out that you are being technically correct but in practice it isn’t possible to live that way so it serves nothing.

    Anything is possible that isn’t literally impossible. Most things however are so unlikely that even considering them as possible are a waste of time. But what the heck do I know? You could be Napoleon who got a time machine, learned English, came to this year to write this reply, and you can’t respond back because you have to go back to your own time. Presumably to lose at Waterloo.

    It’s possible right? Cool. It is possible for a man in good health in his 40s to get a random antibiotic resistant infection and die just as he was giving evidence against a forrupt military contractor who killed another whistleblower last month.

    sanpedropeddler ,

    Me being Napoleon Bonaparte and a person dying without outside influence are not on the same level of possible. Everyone dies, most without interference. As far as I’m aware, there is no documented case of someone traveling through time to argue on the internet. One might even call that impossible.

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    Will it break the timeline if I warn you about invading Russia and instead concentrate on solidifying your rule over the rest of Europe or are you going to do it anyway?

    sanpedropeddler ,

    It is my destiny, Kaufman.

    anonymouse2 ,

    Add a few letters to afraid_of_zombies and it’s an anagram of Andy Kaufman. Coincidence?..

    afraid_of_zombies ,
    Ranvier , (edited )

    MRSA is just a version of staph aureus that is resistant to some common antibiotics. The antibiotic resistant version is common everywhere now since we use so much antibiotics. The antibiotic resistant version doesn’t make someone sicker in and of itself than the non resistant version, it just doesn’t respond to some antibiotics. From context I gather this was MRSA pneumonia.

    Staph aureus lives on all of our skin, mouth and external surfaces. It’s not like something you catch, it’s something that’s already there and takes advantage of an opening, like a wound, lungs already damaged by a recent flu virus or something, or a weakened immune system. It’s common that people in the hospital get staph infections, because they’re already there for something else making them sick that gives staph an opening. Strokes are also more common in hospitalized patients that are sick with other things. Strokes usually aren’t directly related to an infection, but the pro inflammatory response can increase clotting and make a stroke more likely. Strokes also can inversely make pneumonia more likely, if you have trouble swallowing and saliva and secretions are going down the wrong tube, then it creates an easy way for bacteria from your mouth like staph to get to the lungs and start up a pneumonia.

    Tldr: MRSA is on your skin right now, don’t worry about it too much, don’t overuse antibiotics

    Karyoplasma , (edited )

    Ever woke up and noticed a small zit or pimple? Yep, that’s likely a staph infection, although there might be some streptococcus in there as well. They probably also entered your blood stream, but got quickly eliminated by your immune system. It’s all about the bacterial load.

    Which is why you should not scratch wounds, even when they itch really bad. Here is a pic of my leg from almost a year ago, it got out of control because I kept scratching the wound and ignored the occasional flaring pain until it got so bad that I almost passed out when moving my leg. This is a combination of staph aureus and strep pyogenes when they really thrive in your wound. If those had been resistant strains, I would have been in a lot of trouble.

    graphic imagehttps://discuss.tchncs.de/pictrs/image/c73b12ee-05c2-4fc5-9403-b16fddfb6caf.jpeg

    Riven ,

    What the fuck. How’d you get that wound? Looks gnarly.

    Karyoplasma ,

    Well, shortly before Christmas 2022, a friend from out of town came over to drink and reconnect. Somewhat late into the evening, I was going to the refrigerator to get some more beer and on my way there I have to pass 2 devious steps totaling about 15cm in height. I slipped, or tripped -I don’t really remember-, and fell bang on the edge of the upper step. A fair bit of my tumble was cushioned by my behind (left a bruise there) and the rest was absorbed by my leg. Pic below was from the morning after and the pic in my post above was after a month of scratching that wound and ignoring the damage I inflicted.

    It’s a pretty neat comparison, you can really see the swelling and which parts of the wounds were surface scratches and which went deeper.

    less graphical imagehttps://discuss.tchncs.de/pictrs/image/2c8fd3dd-8416-4e97-9cd3-65648c6abe72.jpeg

    Riven ,

    Damn. I would be in the same boat I feel. Glad you’re doing better now.

    ColeSloth ,

    Getting ahold of mrsa bacteria from a person who currently has an infection would be a trivial matter. The stuff is more hardy than most virus’ and can survive on things like towels for upwards of a week without even trying to keep it alive.

    roguetrick ,

    You can’t just wave MRSA in someone’s direction and give them a stroke from septic coagulopathy.

    ColeSloth ,

    First of all; I was only answering the question about if you could weaponize mrsa. Not anything about if this guy could have had it done to him. MRSA survives on surfaces for extended periods of time and is very contagious, so yes, it would be easy to do.

    As to the rest of your comment: MRSA can cause sepsis, and coagulopathy is a common symptom of sepsis. So really you’re just asking the wrong question. The guy died of complications from a MRSA infection.

    roguetrick , (edited )

    It’s not nearly as contagious as you’re making it out to be. I’m a nurse who directly cares for patients with MRSA. Nosocomal infections are a major issue and require contact isolation to prevent but MRSA in general is not a particularly scary pathogen. If you wanted to deliberately infect someone, you’d have to straight up inject them with it.

    Staph aureus is already everywhere and even community aquired MRSA is becoming common.

    There was a time when we screened everybody, but now we don’t even do that. It ended up being considered a waste of contact isolation gear and carer time to gown up before you entered 1 in 5 rooms that just happened to have a positive MRSA skin swab.

    RunningInRVA ,

    It was an hospital acquired infection. It happens frequently. This conspiracy talk here is just nuts.

    homesweethomeMrL ,

    Well, yeah. It is nuts. That it’s happened twice. In rapid succession.

    RunningInRVA ,

    No it didn’t. The first guy died of apparent suicide. I agree that one feels suspicious, but I think there are a lot of “what ifs” getting clumped together into a giant shitball of a conspiracy.

    KillingTimeItself ,

    dude literally all you have to do for this shit is put people in incredibly stressful situations. It’s commonly understand that medical issues, particularly serious ones are worsened by stress.

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