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Agrivar , to lemmyshitpost in I'm just gonna stick to slotted, thanks

Torx are superior to all other types. I’ve been a carpenter for roughly three decades, and have suffered through all manner of fastening methods that have come and gone. None of them can hold a candle to Torx. I’ve never seen another type that can resist stripping out so well and for so long.

Thorny_Insight ,

Fellow contractor here. Torx or go home. Drywall screws are the only exception I’m willing to make.

Croquette ,

Where do you buy torx wood screws or torx metal screws?

I’ve never seen any.

currycourier ,

IIRC Spax and GRK make torx multi-purpose fasteners that you can use for wood and metal

Thorny_Insight ,

Most screws sold around here have a torx head

ThrowawaySobriquet ,

Torx should be the default over Phillips for sure. Phillips is fine for shit like access panels or screw terminals. Slotted is useless for anything but the adjustment on pots and thermostats. Robertson is just a proto-torx. Everything else either exists to make someone money or is a bolt

JustAnotherRando ,

How do you feel about square drive? I’m no carpenter, just someone that’s done enough work around the house, but I’ve found that Torx are the best option but square is a close second (but I don’t think I’ve used them in any especially high torque situations, and they may fall short there).

Agrivar ,

Square drive (or Robertson) I consider a close second. They do tend to strip out faster, especially in “softer” fasteners like stainless steel.

thawed_caveman ,

So square is a close second in terms of quality, while being vastly simpler and cheaper to manufacture. Seems to me like i’d prefer square.

Also i’d be terrified of getting dirt in a torx screw, good luck cleaning it to make it usable again. Though i haven’t actually had this problem personally so it’s just a hunch

Agrivar ,

You clearly have no idea how fasteners are manufactured… and you worry needlessly about hypotheticals.

Betty_Boopie ,

I have torx all over my mountain bike that gets caked in dirt, a little bit of water and a pick gets them usable in seconds. I could argue that hex is superior to square but they’re both worse than torx so who really cares.

nickwitha_k ,

Torx, hex, and square/Robertson all require broaching, generally with a rotary broach. The manufacturing process is basically identical, though the manufacturing of the machine tools varies slightly.

John_McMurray ,

Square and Robertson are different. No taper in square

saltesc ,

And a set of Allen keys usually saves a trip to the hardware store if you’re missing the right size Torx bit.

uis ,

Hexes save trip to store when you need torx? How?

hydrospanner ,

Because a hex key can fit (albeit imperfectly) into a Torx opening and loosen or tighten the fastener as needed.

It’s more likely to slip or strip, but it’s better than nothing.

nickwitha_k ,

The opposite is also true.

uis ,

What about hexes?

Leviathan ,

Robertson is superior to all.

altima_neo ,
@altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

Robertson drive tho

Fuckfuckmyfuckingass ,
@Fuckfuckmyfuckingass@lemmy.world avatar

Least favorite for sure.

nickwitha_k ,

Vastly Superior to Philips, which is vastly superior to blade/slotted for anything resembling a power tool.

KillingTimeItself ,

robertsons are tapered, so unless you get a proper positive lock, or they have dirt in them or something, they’re more liable to stripping out. But other than that, they’re great.

Aux ,

Torx can’t hold shit. They’re single use screws.

dactylotheca , to programmerhumor in Regex flavors
@dactylotheca@suppo.fi avatar

Some people, when confronted with a problem, think “I know, I’ll use regular expressions.” Now they have two problems.

qaz ,

Regex really isn’t that bad when using named capture groups.

dactylotheca ,
@dactylotheca@suppo.fi avatar

Oh yeah they definitely have uses, but there’s a real tendency for people to go a bit crazy with them. Complex regexen aren’t exactly readable, there’s all kinds of fun performance gotchas, there’s sometimes other tools/algorithms that are more suitable for the task, and sometimes people try to use them to eg. parse HTML because they don’t know that it is literally impossible to use regular expressions to parse languages that aren’t regular

frezik ,

It’s entirely possible to parse HTML in PCRE. You shouldn’t, but it is possible. The language stopped being strictly regular a long time ago and is entirely capable of doing it.

stackoverflow.com/a/4234491/830741

dactylotheca ,
@dactylotheca@suppo.fi avatar

Oh yeah, extensions which make them non-regular definitely can make it possible, but just because it’s now somewhat possible with some regex engines doesn’t mean it’s a good idea

FooBarrington ,

I’ve once written a JS decompiler (de-bundler?) using ~150 regex for step-wise transformations. Worked surprisingly well!

Azzk1kr ,

What eldritch beast was summoned as a result?

FooBarrington ,

Well… No new ones, at least? Though it was around that time that I started hearing whispers in the night… “You can use WASM to ship Client-Side PHP”

bleistift2 ,

it is literally impossible to use regular expressions to parse languages that aren’t regular

It’s impossible to parse the whole syntax tree, but that doesn’t mean you can’t get the subset you’re interested in.

Mbourgon ,

Jwz’s 2nd law!

MashedTech ,

I learned Regex once and now it just works. Only problem for me is using MacOS so the Regex flavors aren’t consistent. But once I sort that, it’s smooth sailing.

notabot , to linuxmemes in Props to Alpine and Kali for disabling this bullshit out of the box

It’s amazing how many linux problems stem from ‘Redhat, however, found this solution too simple and instead devised their own scheme’. Just about every over complex, bloated bit of nonsense we have to fight with has the same genesis.

renzev OP ,

What I really don’t understand is why distro maintainers feel the need to actually go along with these changes. Like, sure, if this predictable interface naming thing worked as intended, I can definitely see how it can be useful for server administrators. You could just hardcode the automatic interface names instead of assigning them manually in /etc/mactab. But why would the rest of us ever need this? Most personal machines have at most one wifi card and one ethernet device, so wlan0 and eth0 are perfectly predictable. And even if you have multiple wifi or ethernet adapters, your networking is probably handled by network-manager, so you never actually have to put interface names into config files. Why force enterprise-grade bloat on users who just want a simple desktop experience?

ikidd ,
@ikidd@lemmy.world avatar

As to why distro maintainers go along, if you had to vet every time the network stack updated and make sure it doesn’t break your custom solution to predictable naming, you’d probably just go along with it and let anyone that needed it devise and maintain their own solution. 99% of users won’t worry about it.

notabot ,

No need for a custom solution, we already had ways to make predictable names that worked better than this. Giving each interface a name that represents it’s job makes life so much easier when you have several, naming them after which PCI bus they’re on does not.

notabot ,

Personally I’d do away with NetworkManager too and just configure the interfaces directly, but that might just be me being old and grumpy!

I think most distros go along because their upstream did. There are comparatively few ‘top level’ distributions, the main ones (by usage) being Redhat and Debian. Most everything else branches from those. Redhat’s got enough clout on the market that there’s a sort of pull towards complying with it just to not be left put.

I use Debian, but I think they’re crazy for swallowing everything Redhat pushes, they could easily stick to the cleaner options and have a better system for it. At least they let you opt out of systemd, so life is a little more tolerable.

renzev OP ,

I’d do away with network-manager on a stationary system too, but I’m on a laptop, and unless there’s some trick I don’t know about, configuring wifi by hand for every new network I come across sounds like a bit of a pain. Especially for corporate/institution network that use fancy things like PEAP

notabot ,

That’s fair, it does make sense to use it on a laptop, but it really should be the sort of thing you add when needed rather than having it jammed in whether it’s useful or not.

Every time I need to do something even slightly different to a basic setup I find myself inventing new curses for those who screwed things up with these overblown, over complex, minimally functional abominations. Just give me vi and the basic configuration files and let me get on with it!

renzev OP ,

I find myself inventing new curses for those who screwed things up with these overblown, over complex, minimally functional abominations

Gosh, tell me about it. I once tried writing a custom wifi signal strength indicator app that got its information from network-manager. Apparently the only way to programmatically communicate with network-manager is through dbus, which is just terrible. Scarce to no documentation, poor support for any language other than C/C++, and once you do get it working, it’s the most disgusting and overly verbose code you’ve ever seen, just to query the status of the wifi card. Could’ve exposed the API through raw unix sockets or something, but nope, they had to reinvent the wheel on that one as well.

Just give me vi and the basic configuration files and let me get on with it!

I’ll take this opportunity to shill for Void Linux, it sounds like exactly what you’re describing. I’ve been a happy user for like 5 years now. I particularly like how nothing ever breaks, because there’s not much to break on such a minimal system.

…well, actually, a few things did break over the years, but most of those were due to user error haha.

notabot ,

In news that will shock no-one, dbus was, of course, initially created by a Redhat engineer. I get the idea of having a general purpose bus that everything can communicate on, but they somehow managed to even make that complex.

You make a compelling case for Void Linux. I use Debian or a RHEL derivative for work, primarily so there’s at least a chance to hand systems off to someone else to maintain, the less known distros seem to meet with blank looks.

I want to give NixOS a try sometime, as I like the idea of declaritively defining the system

llii ,

I want to give NixOS a try sometime, as I like the idea of declaritively defining the system

That seems to be even more convoluted and complex.

“Just one more abstraction layer, I swear!”

I’m a NixOS noob bytheway, so please correct me if I’m wrong.

notabot ,

I think the difference is the level it’s happening at. As I said, I haven’t tried it yet, but it looks like a simple, unfussy and minimal distribution that you then add functionality to via configuration. Having that declarative configuration means it’s easy to test new setups, roll back changes and even easily create modified configuration for other servers.

renzev OP ,

I use nixos on my homeserver, but I’m looking to switch it to Void as well. For me personally I just realized that it’s easier to set everything up with shell scripts and docker-compose. But that’s just my personal experience, by all means go ahead and try out nixos if you have the time. It has lots of unique features that you can’t replicate with “just a bunch of shell scripts”. This video does a great job of selling nixos. Maybe my favourite part of nixos is how they make “shortcuts” for a lot of common tasks. For example, setting up a letsencrypt ssl certificate for your webserver with autorenewal can be done in just two lines of config.

crater2150 ,

If by “configuring wifi by hand” you mean writing config files by hand, that’s actually not necessary with plain wpa_supplicant too. There is wpa-gui (or wpa-cute if you prefer Qt over GTK), which is basically a GUI frontend to wpa_supplicant, which makes adding new networks nearly as easy as with NetworkManager. But it’s a far less modern looking UI than the NM frontends.

renzev OP ,

Thanks for the info, I’ll take a look. “far less modern looking” is a selling point for me haha. Give me those win95-looking gtk2 interfaces!

MonkderDritte ,

Personally I’d do away with NetworkManager too and just configure the interfaces directly

Connman and iwd have nice graphical interfaces btw. I got that route after nm disbehaved and i couldn’t figure out why (same for systemd and s6/dinit after systemd-dnsd threw a fit).

anyhow2503 ,

I tried using connman to setup a wireguard connection once. It was not a good experience and ultimately led nowhere, due to missing feature support.

MonkderDritte ,

Eduroam needs manual configuration but otherwise i see not what could be missing? And the cli is the same as bluetoothctl.

MalReynolds ,
@MalReynolds@slrpnk.net avatar

You’re not wrong. But generally the idiocy is in response to beserkeness elsewhere, madness follows…

01101000_01101001 ,

I have to disagree with you there. Systemd sucks ass, and so does RPM.

corsicanguppy ,

so does RPM.

Careful. Jeff’s format gives us really great advantages from an atomic package that we don’t have elsewhere. THAT, at least, was a great thing.

Lennart’s Cancer, though, can die in a fire.

01101000_01101001 ,

Atomic updates are amazing. But the package manager is slow as hell. SuSE managed to make zypper much faster using the same package format.

anyhow2503 ,

The only thing that’s slow is dnf’s repository check and some migration scripts in certain fedora packages. If that’s the price I need to pay to get seamless updates and upgrades across major versions for nearly a decade, then I can live with that.

01101000_01101001 ,

I’ll grant you that; I haven’t used dnf so can’t speak to its performance.

notabot ,

I’m with our binary friend; the systems they try to replace tend to be time tested, reliable and simple (if not necessarily immediately obvious) to manage. I can think of a single instance where a Redhat-ism is better, or even equivalent, to what we already have. In eavh case it’s been a pretty transparent attempt to move from Embrace to Extend, and that never ends well for the users.

renzev OP ,

I can think of a single instance where a Redhat-ism is better

I don’t know if it would be accurate to call it a redhat-ism, but btrfs is pretty amazing. Transparent compression? Copy-on-write? Yes please! I’ve been using it for so long now that it’s spoiled me lol. Whenever I’m on an ext4 system I have to keep reminding myself that copying a huge file or directory will… you know… actually copy it instead of just making reflinks

notabot ,

I’ve never actually tried BTRFS, there were a few too many “it loses all your data” bugs in the early days, and I was already using ZFS by then anyway. ZFS has more than it’s fair share of problems, but I’m pretty confident my data is safe, and it has the same upsides as BTRFS. I’m looking forward to seeing how BCachefs works now it’s in kernel, and I really want to compare all three under real workloads.

renzev OP ,

Ooh, I’ve never heard of bcachefs, sounds exciting! I see it supports encryption natively, which btrfs doesn’t. Pretty cool!

Personally I’ve never had any issues with btrfs, but I did start using it only a couple years ago, when it was already stable. Makes sense that you’d stick with zfs tho, if that’s what you’re used to.

farcaller ,

There’s a whole bunch of “it loses all your data” bugs in OpenZFS too, ironically, although it’s way way less fragile than btrfs in general.

That said, the latter is pretty much solid too, unless you do raid5-like things.

notabot ,

Yeah, I know there was one a while back, and if you don’t use ECC RAM, given enough time, it will eat your data as it tries to correct checksum errors due to memory corruption. That’s why we keep backups, right. Right?

I tend to assume that every storage system will eventually lose data, so having multiple copies is vital.

corsicanguppy ,

It’s amazing how many linux problems stem from ‘Redhat, however, found this solution too simple and instead devised their own scheme’. Just about every over complex, bloated bit of nonsense we have to fight with has the same genesis.

Ansible can be heard mumbling incoherently and so, so slowly, from the basement.

Remember who saw apt4rpm and said “too fast, too immune from python fuckage, so let’s do something slower and more frail”. twice.

thesporkeffect ,

I won’t hear any sass about Ansible. It doesn’t scale up to infinity but it’s the best there is at what it’s good at (modular, small scale declarative orchestration)

possiblylinux127 ,

You can totally can scale Ansible and especially Ansible pull. It will work with thousands of VMs and can be used with other tools to completely automate deployments.

thesporkeffect ,

Oh agreed entirely. You can also use different execution strategies to mitigate most performance issues, but it can require some tuning at full enterprise scale.

notabot ,

I do use Ansible, partly because it’s easier to tell people that’s how you do it rather than “I wrote a shell script, it took half the time to write, it’s 20% the size and runs several times faster”. To be fair to Ansible, if you’re configuring a number of servers at the same time, it’s not too bad speedwise as it’ll do batches of them in parallel. Configuring one server at a time is agony though.

Count042 ,

It’s amazing how many of those started with Lennart, too.

notabot ,

He’s definitely off my Christmas card list. He seems desperate to leave a legacy, but he keeps trying to turn Linux into windows instead.

anyhow2503 ,

If anything, he gets most of his inspiration from MacOS.

notabot ,

He may have taken some ideas from there, but I still see more windows like ideas. We’re one bad decision away from systemd-regedit. If that happens, I might just give up completely.

laurelraven ,

Considering how much systemd breaks the concept of “everything is a file”, this would not surprise me in the least

notabot ,

cries It’s amazing how much damage they’ve done to the linux ecosystem. Not just badly thought out concepts, but the amount of frustration and annoyance they caused by ramming it into existence and the cynicism it’s created.

renzev OP ,

“everything is a file” is such a godsend. It makes absolutely everything so much easier and intuitive. I remember trying to get an old dot matrix printer to work using a parallel-to-usb adaptor cable. Without reading any documentation or having any prior experience I tried echo testing12345 > /dev/lp0 and it just worked lol. Meanwhile my friend spent like half an hour digging in windows gui settings trying to figure out how to print to a parallel printer.

I also posted about this before, but a while back I had to configure my system so that a non-root user could start and stop a root daemon without sudo. On a runit system all you have to do is change the permissions of some control files and it works. On systemd? When I looked it up, the simplest solution involved writing a polkit policy in javascript 🤮

renzev OP ,

systemd-regedit

That’s just dconf lol. It sounds great in theory – after all, isn’t bringing standardization to a chaotic battlefield of different formats a good thing? But in practice it’s absolute garbage. I would much rather just edit a config file. Heck, even if you program uses some obscure config format like xml or something language-specific like .lua or .py, I would much rather take a few minutes to learn the specifics of your format than fuck around with dconf. Fuck dconf.

notabot ,

Yes, yes, but now lets take that, make it dependent on the session management system and dns resolver for some reason, make the command longer and more convoluted and store the results in one or more of a dozen locations! It’ll be great!

/s

Dconf is bad, just imagine how bad a systemd version would be.

jonne ,

Also, canonical decided to try and solve the same ‘problem’ in a different, equally convoluted way.

notabot ,

I try not to think about the things they’ve done, it’s not good for my blood pressure. They had a decent desktop distro, but they seem determined to trash it with terrible decisions.

BCsven ,

To me it seems they followed the hdd UUID style, rather than sda0 or hda0 that can change at boot you now have a fixed UUID to work with. I can see this being important on larger server networks

laurelraven ,

But the SSD/HDD solution doesn’t replace /dev/[s|h]da# entirely, just adds a consistent way to set them in configs like fstab. You can still use the old device names so working with them at the command line is still easy for the most part.

BCsven ,

It is but they change…so becarefilul with dd LOL

laurelraven ,

I mean, you should be careful with destructive changes and commands whether the interface names can change or not… And since they won’t change outside of a reboot, I’ve yet to run into a scenario where that becomes a problem as I’m looking at and making sure I’m talking to the correct device before starting anyway

BCsven ,

Yep, i always type the line and take a break, and check the drives in another terminal first, before committing, but the web is full of people “argg I just dd the wrong drive”.

notabot ,

Having consistent interface names on servers that have several is useful, but we already had that option. The interface names they generate are not only hard to remember, but not terribly useful as they’re based on things like which PCI slot they’re in, rather than what their purpose is. You want interface names like wan0 and DMZ, not enp0s2. Of course, you can set it up to use useful names, but it’s more complicated than it used to be, so while the systemd approach looks like a good idea on the surface, it’s actually a retrograde step.

FmbyMF , to lemmyshitpost in Get sorted...

Where’s the femboy option?

RootBeerGuy ,
@RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Top right?

GBU_28 ,

No that’s furies

Baphomet_The_Blasphemer ,

Top right is accepting of all fetishists. Hell, we probably invented a few you haven’t even heard of yet.

xx3rawr ,

Lower left because he is most adjacent to a low-level programmer

Omniraptor ,

potentially any of them

psycho_driver , to news in Kyle Rittenhouse's family plead for money as they face eviction

What does the lesbian chick in the photo have to do with this Kyle guy or his family?

theangryseal ,

Haha. You’re my people. For real.

bolexforsoup , to lemmyshitpost in Hidden by default

“This will teach people to stop holding me accountable for what I support!”

Thorry84 , (edited ) to science_memes in This product will eliminate odours in your home, but only in one plane

You see this on a lot of products. This is because a lot of people simply don’t understand how cubic meters work, or need to think about it where they know pretty much how much floorspace they have. And in practice it doesn’t matter, most people have ceilings somewhere around 2.5 meters and these indicators aren’t that precise anyways.

ouRKaoS ,

A 2m ceiling seems rather claustrophobic to me

SchmidtGenetics ,

How does that work when a standard door is 2.1m tall?

Thorry84 ,

Anyone who has ever done anything related to doors knows, there is no such thing as a standard door.

SchmidtGenetics , (edited )

There is absolutely a minimum size that doors need to be for almost any house. Yes you can incorrectly install other doors, but codes provide a minimum size for professionals to follow when installing. Which is 2.1m in most of the world. Other places will have their own standard size door, but yes every country absolutely has standard door sizes.

Why do you claim otherwise…? Just go look up any big box store door catalog lmfao, plenty of standard door options for even home owners. If you’re cutting a door to size, you’ve done fucked up in almost every case.

And it’s funny you say something like this while being completely off base about story heights… fucking lmfao. Sure we should listen to your “expertise” hahahah, you don’t even know how tall a room is, yet we should trust you know anything about doors? Really? Seriously… dude?

Bakkoda ,

My wife: We don’t need to replace the door frame just the door

Me crosscutting and ripping my new door to fit the old frame: Great idea honey

SchmidtGenetics ,

That’s usually from the previous home owner who thought they could install the previous door themselves and not knowing the difference between a rough opening and finished opening.

gregorum ,

Most ceilings are a foot and a half or more above the door

sajran ,

I might be wrong but I assumed it’s perfectly obvious to OP and it’s the kind of joke where something is funny because you stretch the meaning to read it literally. I chuckled actually, despite it making perfect sense.

ColeSloth ,

You had a great post going until you screwed it all up by saying ceilings were only 2m high.

Thorry84 , (edited )

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  • Tja ,

    Yeah: 2m or 1,50m, who really cares.

    SchmidtGenetics ,

    But it does matter… someone with vaulted ceilings at 12’ instead of 8’ would have this be 50% as efficient, which is huge.

    The fact that you blundered the only important piece of information is ironic as shit,

    qyron , (edited ) to technology in DuckDuckGo is down. Is there any info about it?? [EDIT: IS BACK]

    Okay.

    Now that we already know we are pretty much at the hands of one pupeteer, what options are there?

    I already read about Kagi (apologies if mispelled) but I like to write as a hobby and 300 searches per month go fast.

    What other options are there?

    Edit:

    For those who may be arriving now:

    • Kagi seems to be a good option for an alternative search engine; it is a paid service, for which I don’t have the €€€ right now. Many speak very well about it.
    • SearXNG is a thing as well, to my understanding a decentralized search system. Worth the try, in my opinion. If it’s something that is decentralized, it is worthy to support and divulge.
    • There is mojeek.com, supposedly not very good but any option that goes against the monopoly is worth the try! I’m going to try this one.
    • Brave.com is an option but is a bit shady.
    • You should try Ecosia if you want to support reforestation efforts. Read somewhere in the thread it is part of the Bing ecosystem.
    • Yep is a thing as well. Somewhere in the thread, a lemmy points they use the search results for AI trainning. So… That is that.
    • And it seems there is a search engine by the name of dogpile.com.
    • Startpage is another search engine (portal?) suggested by another user. I’ve used it before and like it. Read somewhere it somehow piped a standard google search but removed tracking and ads.
    • and I just remembered Presearch.com. This is a really shady one (crypto warning!) that I suspect is a fork/collab with Brave Browser. I’ve used it, they have reward-per-search reward system (or had) where they give you crypto for every search. Good results, some that don’t come up neither on DDG nor Google.

    p.p.s Should I start categorizing these from “shady” to “worthy”?

    p.p.s 2 Does anyone remember StumbleUpon? I know it was never a search engine to begin with but it was the best source of good internet content I ever got acquainted to.

    Can we get something like that back?

    joneskind ,
    @joneskind@lemmy.world avatar

    That’s a nice hobby

    I would suggest you to install a local instance of a LLM (mistral or llama3 for example) to widen your source of information. Go straight to Wikipedia instead of “googling” it if you don’t already.

    Anyway, I didn’t know about kagi so I might take my own advice and give it a try.

    peopleproblems ,

    How big are they, and what do I need to use them well?

    vale ,

    Take a look at Ollama.ai, just follow the installation instructions. A decent GPU is recommended, and the models are around 10GB iirc.

    joneskind ,
    @joneskind@lemmy.world avatar

    Most of 7b-8b models run just fine in 4bits quant and won’t use more than 4 or 5 GB of VRAM.

    The only important metric is the amount of VRAM as the model must be loaded in VRAM for fast inference.

    You could use CPU and RAM but it is really painfully slow.

    If you got an Apple Silicon Mac it could be even simpler.

    veniasilente ,
    @veniasilente@lemm.ee avatar

    I have an Intel Celeron Mobile laptop with iGPU and, I think, 256MB VRAM. How many bs does that get me for the LLM?

    Only half-joking. That’s my still functional old daily driver now serving as homelab

    joneskind ,
    @joneskind@lemmy.world avatar

    Well, I got a good news and a bad news.

    The bad news is you won’t do shit with that my dear friend.

    The good news is that you won’t need it because the duck is back.

    LucidBoi ,

    SearXNG

    Feathercrown ,

    This is the single most obnoxious name I’ve ever seen. But, the service could be good (I’ve never used it)

    tudor ,

    Basically the mother of all search engines. Merges Google, DuckDuckGo, Bing, etc. into one.

    noodlejetski ,

    it’s a fork (Next Generation) of deprecated SearX project.

    Garry ,

    Brave search is independent. It was trained with google search but now it’s a thing of its own and doesn’t rely on google. I switched from DuckDuckGo a year ago and haven’t looked back

    stebo02 ,
    @stebo02@sopuli.xyz avatar

    trained? like AI trained?

    Blisterexe ,

    No?

    Garry ,

    Nope, like it used to index from google but now it doesn’t. DuckDuckGo gets all its results from bing

    stebo02 ,
    @stebo02@sopuli.xyz avatar

    forgive my ignorance but why doesn’t it get its own results

    jaybone ,

    Yeah I was confused by that choice of words. Train is for ML and AIs. Search engines used to need crawlers to run regularly because, you know, shit changes.

    mholiv ,

    Brave search is run by crypto bros. I’d rather use Kagi or DDG or even Google.

    Garry ,

    I would use Kagi if it was free. It might be run by crypto bros but doesn’t mean it’s a bad product. Google and bing own 99% of the search engine market. Competition that doesn’t rely on those two is always good

    tranceFusion ,

    Well they were dishonest about the product behavior in multiple cases, such as adding referral links to search results. That makes it a bad product.

    iopq ,

    That is a much better argument. But I still use it because I finally get different results from bing or Google.

    Garry ,

    I agree they were, but that’s the benefits of open source you can call out companies for doing stupid shit. Just like when Mozilla adds unnecessary telemetry.

    tranceFusion ,

    Brave products are not open source. Not their search, and not the browser. Your post wording seems to imply that it is.

    Garry ,

    I know the search is not but I thought the browser was on GitHub

    tranceFusion ,

    I stand corrected!

    RmDebArc_5 ,
    @RmDebArc_5@sh.itjust.works avatar

    The browser is open source (MPL)

    tranceFusion ,

    Never knew that, thanks for the correction.

    mholiv ,

    Lumping in Bing with Google is just unfair. Google controls like 90% of search. Bing is ~3.5%. Choosing duck duck go and helping that 3.5% is wayyyy better of a choice than supporting crypto bros.

    gs.statcounter.com/search-engine-market-share

    Garry ,

    Personally I don’t want to support Microsoft bing either. This website you shared doesn’t lump together all the bing using search engines (DuckDuckGo and yahoo). How is supporting Microsoft a wayyy better choice. This isn’t some pump and dump scheme. Your criticism should be of the company (they added referall links to their browser and the owner has some nasty political takes on top of running another privacy invasive company).

    mholiv ,

    It does not matter if it lumps them together or not. Google still has 90% and they’re not Bing. Yandax another ~3% and they’re not Bing. That means at max Bing is 7% if you combine the rest. 3.5% vs 7% does not change the root of my argument.

    Those points you make against Brave are valid though. I just run into too many people who are in the Brave cult and it’s concerning.

    Scrollone ,

    There’s a new search engine called Yep, made by the team at Ahrefs, a SEO tool SaaS.

    It looks promising because they have their own index, but it’s a bit slow sometimes.

    AeroLemming ,

    I only tried one example, so the sample size is pretty small, but that search engine seems pretty bad. I tried looking up “rust bevy points” in both Google and Yep. The first Google result is a library to draw points in Bevy and the rest are pretty relevant. Yep simply doesn’t have that result at all and all of their results are just generic results about Bevy.

    I tried DDG for the sake of comparison and it’s somewhere in-between. The results are mostly relevant and the “correct” result is still on the first page.

    noodlejetski ,

    We may collect aggregated, non-personal search data to improve search algorithms, train AI models

    ugh

    sugartits ,

    Just pay the extra for unlimited searches. It’s not much money, especially if it’s a tool for work.

    Jarix ,

    Listen sugartits, some of us don’t have much money. So if it’s not much money we still don’t have it

    (Mostly i just wanted to point out your username by using it in a comment)

    qyron ,

    That was one of the most out of the blue comments I have ever read. It sounded so… unreal. Something out of a sitcom. Then I read “sugartits” is the name of the lemmy you were replying to. That’s was really top mark. Kudos for you.

    qyron ,

    It’s a hobby as it is.

    If I ever manage to sell enough copies of it to be able to pay for a Kagi subscription, I’ll do it and make it public knowledge.

    Evehn ,
    @Evehn@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Just letting you know kagi has a family plan with unlimited searches, so you can probably split it with family or friends! I have yet to see how searxng search holds up to kagi.

    Shellbeach ,

    I jumped back on ecosia. It’s nice there, but I’m sure there are issues that a non tech person like me may not know about

    qyron ,

    Read somewhere on the thread Ecosia is part of Bing ecosystem.

    Twig ,
    @Twig@sopuli.xyz avatar

    It is. That or it was very coincidentally down for the exact amount of time as DDG.

    LambdaRX ,
    @LambdaRX@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Mojeek is far from perfect, but also is 100% independent.

    Gamers_Mate ,

    Thank you I tried Mojeek a few days ago but I forgot what it was called. the site for mojeek is mojeek.com btw.

    Mojeek ,
    @Mojeek@lemmy.ml avatar

    Sometimes it’s a hard one to remember 😅

    istanbullu ,

    brave search is pretty good: search.brave.com

    kurcatovium ,

    There’s also mojeek.com running their own index. Not perfect, but sometimes usable.

    Mojeek ,
    @Mojeek@lemmy.ml avatar

    you can also send us in queries where we’re not perfect, or let us know elsewhere, and we’re keen on fixing them

    kurcatovium ,

    That was unexpected, but welcome message. Thanks for caring.

    jol ,

    Was this news to you? Other than Google and Bing there aren’t any other significant alternatives. Even brave is a bit limited.

    qyron ,

    You can’t know everything.

    jol ,

    Yes, I understand that, but still surprised. I thought it was well known that DDG used bing.

    qyron ,

    Today, I was the 1% getting to know something new.

    KillingTimeItself ,

    if you just hate western companies, there’s always yandex, supports more fringe contents as well, since russia moment.

    qyron ,

    Hate requires too much emotional investment. What I want is options.

    KillingTimeItself ,

    well good news for you! It’s also an option!

    lolcatnip ,

    But it’s Russian.

    KillingTimeItself ,

    yeah, but it is another option if you don’t want to sell your data to big google. Plus it also has utility in other areas.

    Worth consideration.

    SeedyOne ,

    Appreciate the edits

    qyron ,

    You’re welcome.

    Lumisal ,

    You should add startpage.com to your list

    qyron ,

    Done!

    Facebones ,

    I run a searxng instance on my pi server, use it from all of my devices, honestly forget its a thing running from my office 99% of the time until I’m rebooting the pi for one reason or another and spend more seconds than I’d like to admit wondering why I can’t run a search 🤣😅

    Holzkohlen ,

    Ecosia also uses Bing and was also down. That’s the one I use.

    mecfs , to science_memes in Is there another way to do it...?

    This is why I hate it so much when authors overstate their findings in abstract, which unfortunately is extremely common in medicine.

    Norgur ,
    @Norgur@fedia.io avatar

    And next you know, someone cites them and concludes that coffee cures cancer.... Or causes it when drunk at exactly or above 41.33456 degrees Celsius or when.you drink more than 4 but less than 3 daily. Or was that chocolate? No! Red wine! It was red wine!

    mecfs ,

    Oh my god exactly.

    I work on a pretty neglected Neuroimmune illness ME/CFS (hence my username) with really low recovery rates whether treated or untreated (~5%).

    And the number of “clinical trials” of things like “Graded Exercise Therapy” or “CBT” or “Acupuncture” or [insert random supplement] that claims to “cure” the condition is so large. Except these trials all rely on subjective outcome measures and none are placebo controlled, oh and ofcourse the results never last in long term followup.

    sukhmel ,

    They only need to last long enough for the results to be published /s

    Chetzemoka ,

    Hey fam, as a person with ME/CFS who works in healthcare, just wanted to say that I appreciate you.

    Liz ,

    Everyone who put on the PACE trial should be exercised to death.

    Liz ,

    Also, I think it’s downright absurd that MECFS gets ignored so much. That shit is way more common than we like to admit and it can turn a healthy person into a massive drain on everyone around them (ignoring their own suffering, of course). Like, you would think we’d be super motivated to fix this shit.

    mecfs ,

    haha agree, suprised to find so many people knowledgeable about ME and pwME on this page, is there a Lemmy server for it?

    Liz ,

    Nah we’re just all stuck on the internet, on account of the MECFS :P

    blanketswithsmallpox ,

    Turns out alcohol has zero benefits and it was legumes all along.

    Eat yo damn beans people.

    veganpizza69 ,
    @veganpizza69@lemmy.world avatar

    You can use grapevine leaves for wraps or rolls. 🥬🫘

    Eyck_of_denesle ,

    I need some source for this cause I know people were just making an excuse to drink when they say this.

    Also what’s academic research. Do I gotta go back to college for it? It sounds interesting.

    LibertyLizard ,

    Not just medicine, it’s common especially among celebrity scientists but they’re too famous to be called out. Doug Tallamy comes to mind.

    omgarm , to programmerhumor in Of course

    All the code I know is stackoverflow search results.

    ImplyingImplications ,

    Things said by Github copilot.

    TimewornTraveler , to aboringdystopia in Maybe those 20 seconds were because of the lack of getting raises?

    uh oh a dollar is missing from the register there goes your raises for the next 20 years

    PP_BOY_ , to lemmyshitpost in this picture is 27kb
    @PP_BOY_@lemmy.world avatar

    Europeans

    MPH

    alyth OP ,

    metres per hour

    PP_BOY_ ,
    @PP_BOY_@lemmy.world avatar

    Sounds shockingly accurate for most European domestic cars

    Luccus , (edited )

    I fairly often drive 50,000m/h, except on the autobahn. There I usually go about 120,000,000mm/h.

    And if I stack 1000 1cm³ blocks of water, the resulting 10m high column has a volume of 1l, weighs 1kg and exerts 100kPa of pressure on its base. And to heat it by 1°C requires 1kcal, while 1N would accelerate it by 1m/s every second.

    What I want to say is: Your point is stupid and your units are too.

    PP_BOY_ ,
    @PP_BOY_@lemmy.world avatar

    And this is all broken up into decihour days, no? With each hour being made up of 100 centiminutes?

    Luccus ,

    Can you spot why years, months, days, hours and minutes are not SI units?

    This is an honest question. The SI units were chosen very carefully with regard to their human usability and scientific universality.

    qjkxbmwvz ,

    To be clear, most science/advanced education in the US is conducted in SI units.

    Also, a year is about pi*10^7 seconds, which can be useful for back-of-the-envelopes.

    PhobosAnomaly , (edited )

    Using this, you can tell the time on your Swatch .beat.

    No i’m not joking.

    eager_eagle ,
    @eager_eagle@lemmy.world avatar
    pm_me_your_lotto_num ,

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  • eager_eagle ,
    @eager_eagle@lemmy.world avatar

    and is excited about units being easy to convert

    anyone who doesn’t is already dead inside

    Skua ,

    we clearly haven't brexited hard enough yet

    beeng , to greentext in Japan anon complains about Google

    It does seem like the ideology of those inside google went from “tech” , to “I know better than you do”. Not sure it’s fixable really…

    ArtificialLink ,

    That’s the problem with most tech these days. They assume they know the best way to do something or know better than you. Its infuriating

    NoSpiritAnimal ,
    @NoSpiritAnimal@lemmy.world avatar

    Spotify is a prime example of this. There are so many “features” I hate and that no one has asked for, yet shuffle doesn’t even work.

    Everytime I start spotify in ny office after listening on my commute, it tries to start playing on my phone since that was playing in my car.

    Or when I was still there, Reddit search. Absolutely useless and so fucking smarmy with that stupid doge.

    Flax_vert ,

    There’s a weird smart shuffle thing which keeps happening

    meowMix2525 ,

    Are you talking about that thing where it plays the same exact music usually in the same exact order every time you start a new session

    Jon_Servo ,

    I think they’re talking about the feature they seem to push hardcore that tries to guess what you want to hear, and then injects it into your playlist

    meowMix2525 ,

    Hm. I’ve never had an issue with just turning that off honestly.

    JackbyDev ,

    What do you mean by “shuffle doesn’t even work”? Please qualify that statement.

    businessfish ,
    @businessfish@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    they may be referring to how spotify’s shuffle isn’t a true “shuffle” in that it is biased to things you have listened to more, recently, etc

    JackbyDev ,

    That’s been the case for well over a decade going back to some of the earliest iPods. It’s nothing new.

    Omniraptor ,

    pullpush.io is the good reddit search

    lorty ,
    @lorty@lemmy.ml avatar

    Yeah, tech people nowadays have this attitude with most people, they only show some restraint when they think it’s for other people like them.

    UckyBon ,

    They know how to manipulate you to do/buy stuff you weren’t looking for. That’s what makes a profit.

    It has always been this way (also in tech) because those things are the products of companies (main goal: profit, usually under a sneaky slogan), but it is becoming increasingly invasive. Don’t be evil: think different.

    Sanctus ,
    @Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

    The problem with tech is managers are wearing engineer coats and calling the shots with no true credentials.

    joonazan ,

    It’s about minimizing the annoyance for the majority of users who will misspell some popular thing.

    Also, I believe that showing actually interesting content is bad for the businesses because it might make the user stop to think and pursue something meaningful instead of continuing to use the product.

    DrSleepless , to lemmyshitpost in How do you recommend eating this?

    Do the alphabet with your tongue

    prettybunnys ,

    Backwards, in cursive

    niisyth , to android in If it works, kill it.

    How else are they gonna half ass implement that into youtube and make that shit bloated af.

    It has long form content, Tiktok clone, Main music delivery system, Twitch clone, And now, Podcasts.

    👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼

    xyguy ,

    I don’t have YouTube Pro or whatever its called now and when I listen to music on my Google home it plays an ad after ever song. Since I have switched to Pihole and blocked googles DNS servers the only ads I get are to buy premium YouTube which I assume are hardcoded into something somewhere.

    We better be careful, with Googles track record they will be getting rid of YouTube soon and rolling it into whatever they are calling their Skype clone nowadays.

    lvxferre ,
    @lvxferre@mander.xyz avatar

    We better be careful, with Googles track record they will be getting rid of YouTube soon and rolling it into whatever they are calling their Skype clone nowadays.

    I think that five products are reasonably safe from Google’s euthanasia project:

    • YouTube
    • Google Search
    • Chrome
    • "core" Android system + Play Store (it counts as one)
    • AdSense

    The common factor between them is advertisement: vulturing on your personal info (Chrome, GS, Android), serving you ads (YT, GS), ensuring that advertisers must pay the vassal tax to advertise (AdSense), and walling you in ways that you can’t fight back (Chrome, Android+Play Store).

    Google stopped being a technology business a long time ago; pragmatically nowadays it’s simply an advertisement company that dabbles on tech.

    dan ,
    @dan@upvote.au avatar

    Google stopped being a technology business a long time ago; pragmatically nowadays it’s simply an advertisement company that dabbles on tech

    They’ve primarily been an ad company ever since they acquired DoubleClick in 2008.

    dubyakay ,

    Gmail and Gsuite pretty safe too.

    lvxferre ,
    @lvxferre@mander.xyz avatar

    Good catch on GMail - it’s at the same time a vector to invade your privacy and an additional barrier for people leaving the Google ecosystem battery farm.

    I’m not sure on GSuite.

    dubyakay ,

    GSuite is well used in corporate settings as a cheaper alternative to O365 enterprise.

    Carighan ,
    @Carighan@lemmy.world avatar

    Going to be called YouTube Podcasts. Soon to be spun off into Google Wallet + Podcasts, then to be renamed Podcasts Pay, then Pay Podcasts, then Google Chrome with Podcasts.

    brbposting ,

    Google Nest Home Chromecast TV with Podcasts Premium+

    amir_s89 ,
    @amir_s89@lemmy.ml avatar

    With different tiers of subscription.

    This sounds unfortunately real. Insanity.

    wise_pancake ,

    It seems like their trying to roll everything into the over media app and subscription

    Kind of makes sense, all their other apps are pretty fragmented and crappy.

    Trae ,

    It also has games now.

    I don’t think it’s rolled out to a lot of people. No one at work can see them except me, but my Google app has games that I can bring up.

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