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bad_alloc ,

Reject threaded fasteners, return to nail and rivet.

militaryintelligence ,

Ah, torx plus, used on Chevy bellhousings. Real easy to strip with a regular torx driver.

Tehdastehdas ,
@Tehdastehdas@lemmy.world avatar

The EU should fine companies for introducing new standards that break old standards. Or any shit standards like Toslink: lemmy.world/comment/10671314 . Standardization organizations shouldn’t be sleeping through all this shit.

EddoWagt ,

I never realised how stupid it is that toslink can only plug in 1 way

amenji ,

I don’t use screw drivers enough to know what these are for. But from a programmer’s standpoint, punishing people to deviate away from standard may cause more harm than good, no?

Suppose it’s easier/cheaper/more effective to deviate a bit from standard, why should I be punished to do things a bit differently?

whoreticulture ,

Think about all the micro USB, lightning cables, USB cables etc. In programming it’s different, but for this stuff it’s a waste of money and actual resources.

monotremata ,

One issue is that it can be leveraged to maintain a monopoly. Microsoft famously made a bunch of small modifications to the HTML standard, so that web sites that wanted to work with MS Internet Explorer had to write custom versions to be compatible. But because so many people just used IE because it was bundled with Windows, those “extensions” started to become their own standard, so that then other browsers had to adopt MS’s idiosyncrasies in order to be compatible with the sites, which in turn harmed standardization itself. They even had a term for this technique: “Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.” It nearly worked for them until Google pushed them out with Chrome. Microsoft tried to do the same thing again with Java until the government got involved.

It’s complicated, certainly, but there are legitimate cases where “just a little tweak” can be quite a big problem for a standard.

amenji ,

Thanks for the explanation.

Ledivin ,

Why is tamper-resistant torx plus the only one that’s 5-pronged?

Cort ,

Apple?

sus ,

because the goal of tamper resistance is to make it harder to unscrew without apple’s approval

TheRealKuni ,

To make it even less likely that someone will be able to get it unscrewed without having the right set.

They’re not perfect, obviously, but they do harden a target more than regular Torx.

I use tamper resistant screws to keep an AirTag on my eBike to discourage its removal. Obviously a determined thief could remove it, but lots of stolen bikes get abandoned anyway. My hope is that if it gets stolen it gets abandoned and I can find it then.

Ledivin ,

Okay, then a slightly different question: why aren’t tamper-resistant torx (non-plus) 5-prong?

KillingTimeItself ,

my brother in christ have you seen phillips head and posi drive?

Life sucks. You can’t win.

CascadianGiraffe ,

Working on an 86 RV and hating posi drive. I swear they were designed to strip.

Also no mention of Spider drive that everyone insists is a torx

KillingTimeItself ,

probably because nobody buys anything other than torx, considering it’s a brand name, it’s not like they’re going to just do the funny and mislabel a screw. Phillips heads are so common it’s a lot easier to mistake them.

Though if you’re in the field and you run across one i could see it being annoying.

captain_aggravated ,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

Or Phillips and JIS?

KillingTimeItself ,

JIS isn’t real

Apytele ,

Also great for tamper-resistant screws. Makes it harder for my patients to get screws out to make weapons / self injury implements or to get to the electrical wiring or create a ligature attachment point.

Rubanski ,

Torx is the 🐐! Phillips are just terrible, I prefer slotted over Phillips. You can slip out quite easily with slotted but if you are in there they work ok.

BruceTwarzen ,

Phillips are horrible. You need to have 20 different ones that look all the same and you have to try them multiple times to figure out which slip the least. The post and people with no clue make it seem like they make new torx every day to fuck with people. If you have a 15, 20 and 25 torx bit you can use most torx screws out there. If you work on small applications you need a 10 and below. If you use massive screws you ned a 30 and a 40.

FMEEE ,

АW Drive On Top

UncleGrandPa ,

And how many of these are needed by the dictates of their use VS how many are needed to restrict your access?

Splitdipless ,

Y’all need Jesus^H^H^H^H^H^H Robertson screws.___

helpImTrappedOnline ,

Don’t discount hex, paired with a ball-end wrench, those are great for odd angles or tight spaces a straight wrench can’t get too.

KillingTimeItself ,

they’re pretty good but semi liable to stripping due to lower surface area, as long as you use the right tool, and a quality one, you’ll be fine though.

Also hex is somewhat inter-compatible with torx, which is really cursed.

Aux ,

Torx are easier to strip, especially the smaller sizes. They’re pretty much single use screws.

KillingTimeItself ,

small screws in general are just easy to strip. Small torx is also liable to breaking a driver, like most small screws and drivers.

Torx though, i’ve never had strip out once, even doing construction with them. Phillips on the other hand, they kill screws constantly, and the bits themselves get all chewed up causing all kinds of problems. Torx bits still look fine though.

Torx aren’t exactly tapered, so they much less of a problem with stripping, compared to any tapered design, because tapered designs have issues with backing off.

Aux ,

small screws in general are just easy to strip

Hexes are very sturdy. I ride mountain bikes and for some reason brake rotors are secured with Torx while all other screws are hexes. Torx on rotors are usually tightened to 4-6Nm and they are single use 99% of the time. At the same time there are plenty of hexes of the same size which are tightened to 8-10Nm and there are zero issues.

Torx are fucking useless. And don’t get me started on tiny Torxes in laptops…

KillingTimeItself ,

you’re not using like, soft fasteners or some shit right?

I could see hex performing better on a softer material. That or you’re doing something goofy. I’d be surprised if torx were stripping at that low of a torque rating, unless ur using hex drivers on them or something.

Aux ,

Fasteners are standard from rotor manufacturers. I have no clue what they’re made out of. But in 30 years of cycling I’ve never had a single Torx which would last more than one cycle of screw in screw out.

KillingTimeItself ,

that’s bizarre. Torx are commonly used in construction with impact drivers, and in vehicles as well. Very rarely are they ever problematic, and that’s with quite significant shock loading as well as torque application in the case of construction, i would imagine more than in a bike, but i wouldn’t be able to say off the top of my head, though they might be bigger standard head sizes, so that could be it.

Regardless, begs the question why hex screws aren’t in construction, those should be simpler and easier to produce.

helpImTrappedOnline ,

Relevant xkcd

Relevant xkcd

RagingRobot ,

When you buy the screws they usually come with a drill bit that fits them

Xylight ,
@Xylight@lemm.ee avatar

The “wtf is this?” is settings, obviously.

Thann ,
@Thann@lemmy.ml avatar

One of these is a settings icon

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