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realitista ,

That’s one of the longest outages I’ve ever seen from a cloud company.

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  • Everythingispenguins ,

    Sadly because everything else I have tried is even worse

    sunbeam60 ,

    But they don’t keep your history, nor target you, nor enable others to target you. Why is it an issue, under those circumstances, that they rely on bing’s index?

    BaardFigur ,

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  • sunbeam60 ,

    You can’t. At the end of the day, you’ve got to trust someone. You cannot personally verify every layer of your technology stack. I’m happier with DDG than any other place.

    suction ,

    works for me, homes

    Firebirdie713 ,

    I picked a good day to switch to SwissCow lol

    swisscows.com/en/web?query=%s

    Free, uses it’s own index, focus on privacy. If there is anything bad about it though, please let me know. It can be hard to find unbiased data on search engines when you ultimately need to use a search engine to find the info, ime.

    Eezyville ,
    @Eezyville@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Will add to my search engine list. Thanks

    sugar_in_your_tea ,

    This is a few years old, but:

    Swisscows has built its own German-language web index. For other languages, it uses Bing but queries and results are run through a firewall that strips out personal identifiers such as IP addresses.

    So it wouldn’t solve the problem here of Bing going down, but it’s certainly an interesting option. I may have to consider switching from DDG, idk.

    Firebirdie713 ,

    Interesting. I have not had any issues using their engine even with the issue with Bing’s API, but you are correct that they use Bing’s index. Given that there are only four indexes to choose from, that isn’t too surprising.

    I actually switched to them when I saw that DuckDuckGo was about to start providing ‘AI assisted results’. I wanted to ensure I was using an engine that actually respected my privacy and didn’t harvest my data for slop.

    Anecdotally, I can confirm that the results I get from SwissCows are very different and usually better than the ones I got from DDG. So I wonder how much of Bing’s API they use.

    sugar_in_your_tea ,

    I honestly have no issues with Bing’s search engine, I was just pointing out that it probably had an outage just like this one.

    I’m guessing the results are different based on metadata they each pass?

    jawa21 ,
    @jawa21@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    So happy I moved to SearXNG right now.

    kusivittula ,

    been trying too, but mostly getting very bad results

    thefrankring ,
    @thefrankring@lemmy.world avatar

    Annoying, I had to switch to Brave Search.

    UnderpantsWeevil ,
    @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar
    thefrankring ,
    @thefrankring@lemmy.world avatar

    What do you mean?

    JSens1998 ,

    I dunno, I told people I used Brave search and got down voted too. Lol

    thefrankring ,
    @thefrankring@lemmy.world avatar

    Yeah, some people here seem to be Firefox diehard.

    But Firefox seems to be lagging behind other browsers.

    Pretty much everything is based on Chromium these days.

    JSens1998 ,

    Exactly. Which is why we need to support FF even more. Nobody wants just chromium, as it leads to a monopoly.

    TropicalDingdong ,

    Just post your searches and questions here and we’ll try to figure it out.

    Xatolos ,
    @Xatolos@reddthat.com avatar

    Thankfully this will be a private search like DuckDuckGo.

    I need an answer to how do I make my peepee become larger?

    tudor ,

    As an AI language model, I can’t help you with that.

    Emmie ,

    Beehive

    TropicalDingdong ,
    Sam_Bass ,

    ‘Private’

    AA5B ,

    See results for Natalie Portman

    sugar_in_your_tea ,

    Tug on it. If that doesn’t work, tug on it a lot.

    Xatolos ,
    @Xatolos@reddthat.com avatar

    It popped off…

    Darkenfolk ,

    Have you tried popping it back on?

    Otherwise use the cheat code for reattaching body parts: ^ >_> ^

    Xatolos ,
    @Xatolos@reddthat.com avatar

    Eh, it’s ok. Sometimes the meat just falls off the ol’ bone.

    irreticent ,
    @irreticent@lemmy.world avatar

    Great. Now I’m in the mood for BBQ ribs.

    Xatolos ,
    @Xatolos@reddthat.com avatar

    Pulled pork?

    irreticent ,
    @irreticent@lemmy.world avatar

    That sounds painful.

    Chef ,
    TheLowestStone ,
    @TheLowestStone@lemmy.world avatar

    If this link had been to anything else I might have completely lost any faith I had left in humanity.

    AngryishHumanoid ,

    Is Natalie Portman single? Follow up: Does Natalie Portman have low standards? I’ll have a couple dozen more depending on the search results of this one.

    TropicalDingdong ,

    Natalie Portman enjoys milk and ill behavior. If encountered to not threaten or she’ll send a frenchman to self destruct on you.

    corsicanguppy ,

    … And then we’ll need un nettoyeur

    TropicalDingdong ,
    nonfuinoncuro ,

    what a great movie

    0x0 ,

    It’s Natalie Portperson, keep up.

    Akasazh , (edited )
    @Akasazh@feddit.nl avatar

    I think this will answer most of your questions:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=-A0iftflme4

    any additional questions are answered here:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=QS8bma7LRX4

    shasta ,

    So you’re saying there’s a chance…

    roofuskit ,

    She certainly enjoys a good joke.

    AA5B ,
    Manalith ,

    Did I know what each link was before clicking? Yes. Did I click each just to make sure? Also yes.

    SolOrion ,

    If you remove everything after the & you’ll get people on desktop, too. The search= part.

    I can preview the link, which considering how the link ends…

    AA5B ,

    Trying to make me get myself, huh? Yeah, I fell for it, but no, that doesn’t work. Http 404

    SolOrion ,

    Oh, nevermind. You actually linked the search. I just misunderstood lmao. I wasn’t trying to prank you.

    dumbass ,
    @dumbass@leminal.space avatar
    TropicalDingdong ,
    dumbass ,
    @dumbass@leminal.space avatar

    THANKYOU!

    TropicalDingdong ,

    quack

    Harriet_Porber ,
    TropicalDingdong ,
    TheOSINTguy ,

    O.J Simpson car chase recreated in doom.

    GustavoFring ,
    TheOSINTguy ,

    That’s beautiful

    hispeedzintarwebz ,
    @hispeedzintarwebz@infosec.pub avatar

    It’s also duke3d

    RandomVideos ,

    cats are liquid lore what is going on

    TropicalDingdong ,
    Edgarallenpwn ,
    @Edgarallenpwn@midwest.social avatar

    Why is it usually DNS?

    (Network outages at work today. Guess what it was?)

    AllHailTheSheep ,

    every single time I have issues with my self hosted servers. it’s always the DNS lol

    Serinus ,

    I recently called my ISP to complain about the internet issues for the last 5 hours. I told them I’m a dev and kind of know what I’m doing. I’ve already tried multiple devices, restarted the modem multiple time, etc. You know, I haven’t restarted the router.

    As I was pulling up the router page, I tried to ping cnn.com from the router’s tools. It went through. On the desktop it wouldn’t. It’s my pi-hole.

    Sorry, ISP. This one’s on me.

    Was a real easy call for the support guy though.

    grandkaiser ,

    DNS engineer here.

    It’s always DNS because no one wants to hire us. We’re prima donnas that don’t work much and demand large salaries. Companies think they can get away with having some random network guy “learn a bit of DNS” and it works!!.. For a while… Then it fails catestrophically and the DNS engineer that was let go to “save costs” smugly watches them crash and burn. The job is super easy and simple until you’re 48 hours into troubleshooting and the CTO is lighting money on fire trying to get the network back online. A big company can easily burn a DNS engineers 10 years salary in costs if they have a single large DNS failure (security or downtime).

    Lumisal ,

    Sounds like y’all should form a country wide DNS guild, and instead of looking for jobs, just ask band together, and then when the DNS eventually fails, they have no choice but to hire from the guild and pay 5 years salary at once to have it fixed. Then understand if getting hired and fired constantly, you just do a job every now and then and get a huge pay check. So contractor work, but you get to see the companies constantly burn themselves and give y’all with instead.

    grandkaiser ,

    Any company that is willing to fire me to save costs isn’t worth working for. The job is so in-demand that if I put “looking for a job” in my linked-in, I get multiple offers within the hour. Not even joking. That’s how I got my current job.

    Lumisal ,
    1. How long does it take to be a DNS engineer?
    2. How likely is it to be replaced in 10 years by AI?

    I was gonna go for chemistry but you have a convincing argument with the job offers coming to you rather than the other way around

    grandkaiser ,
    1. Generally to be “in-demand”, you need about 6 years of experience & highly desirable certifications (at least one security cert such as sec+ or CASP, dns-related cert such as Infoblox CDCA, and typically something else like cloud engineering or maybe automation engineering related). Getting into DNS is usually something that happens after you’ve already been an enterprise network engineer for a number of years. It’s highly specialized and rather difficult.
    2. Not possible. While AI can theoretically do the job, error is too expensive. AI already does much of my work, but I have to make risk assessment & I run the automation systems. I already automate much of my daily work. But when big stuff breaks, automation won’t fix it.
    Lumisal ,

    Who is Natalie Portman?

    DeanFogg ,

    Actress who ben in several movie. Next question

    CaptPretentious ,

    Why is 42 the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything?

    remote_control_conor ,

    The universe is pretty big. 41 is too small to cover it.

    v4ld1z ,
    @v4ld1z@lemmy.zip avatar

    I’m not sure if this is stretching it, but this comment thread is just so awesome. It’s like one of those moments on reddit that would be referenced for years to come

    captain_aggravated ,
    @captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

    how is babby shot web?

    AdamEatsAss ,

    A famouse spider best know for her performance as “Babe” is Charlotte’s Web.

    Lost_My_Mind ,

    No, Babe was the pig. Charlotte was the spider. She had a web.

    AnalogyAddict ,

    Wilbur was the pig. Babe is a different movie.

    AdamEatsAss ,

    No pretty sure Babe is the spider in Charlott’s Web and Charlotte’s Web 2: Pig in the City. Her catch phrase was “That’ll do pig.”

    Lost_My_Mind ,

    Where does Spider-Pig and Homer Simpson fit into all this?

    AdamEatsAss ,

    Extended spider universe. They’re not cannon in the Charlotte’s web trilogy but director Nicholas Cage always said that his plan was to have Homer be a final bad guy type character that all famouse pig-spiders would pull together against.

    AdamEatsAss ,

    Is it safe to consume breast milk bought on Facebook marketplace?

    Corkyskog ,

    Ask your doctor

    bluewing ,

    Ask your doctor homeopath doctor

    Facebones ,

    Siri show me a pretty lady well damn Mildred my phone stopped answering me again noi wasn’t asking for girls again I good you I stopped that oh sure this again one time and you never let me live it down fuck the phone is typing how do I st

    TropicalDingdong ,

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    MonkderDritte ,

    Ah, because of this: lemmy.world/post/15710639

    Thann ,
    @Thann@lemmy.ml avatar

    yup, I was gonna say see if bing works

    Diplomjodler3 ,

    DuckDuckWent

    PoolloverNathan ,

    DuckDuckGone

    UnderpantsWeevil ,
    @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

    Someone finally found the Goose.

    jaybone ,

    DDGTFO

    space ,

    DuckDuckStop

    qyron , (edited )

    Okay.

    Now that we already know we are pretty much at the hands of one pupeteer, what options are there?

    I already read about Kagi (apologies if mispelled) but I like to write as a hobby and 300 searches per month go fast.

    What other options are there?

    Edit:

    For those who may be arriving now:

    • Kagi seems to be a good option for an alternative search engine; it is a paid service, for which I don’t have the €€€ right now. Many speak very well about it.
    • SearXNG is a thing as well, to my understanding a decentralized search system. Worth the try, in my opinion. If it’s something that is decentralized, it is worthy to support and divulge.
    • There is mojeek.com, supposedly not very good but any option that goes against the monopoly is worth the try! I’m going to try this one.
    • Brave.com is an option but is a bit shady.
    • You should try Ecosia if you want to support reforestation efforts. Read somewhere in the thread it is part of the Bing ecosystem.
    • Yep is a thing as well. Somewhere in the thread, a lemmy points they use the search results for AI trainning. So… That is that.
    • And it seems there is a search engine by the name of dogpile.com.
    • Startpage is another search engine (portal?) suggested by another user. I’ve used it before and like it. Read somewhere it somehow piped a standard google search but removed tracking and ads.
    • and I just remembered Presearch.com. This is a really shady one (crypto warning!) that I suspect is a fork/collab with Brave Browser. I’ve used it, they have reward-per-search reward system (or had) where they give you crypto for every search. Good results, some that don’t come up neither on DDG nor Google.

    p.p.s Should I start categorizing these from “shady” to “worthy”?

    p.p.s 2 Does anyone remember StumbleUpon? I know it was never a search engine to begin with but it was the best source of good internet content I ever got acquainted to.

    Can we get something like that back?

    joneskind ,
    @joneskind@lemmy.world avatar

    That’s a nice hobby

    I would suggest you to install a local instance of a LLM (mistral or llama3 for example) to widen your source of information. Go straight to Wikipedia instead of “googling” it if you don’t already.

    Anyway, I didn’t know about kagi so I might take my own advice and give it a try.

    peopleproblems ,

    How big are they, and what do I need to use them well?

    vale ,

    Take a look at Ollama.ai, just follow the installation instructions. A decent GPU is recommended, and the models are around 10GB iirc.

    joneskind ,
    @joneskind@lemmy.world avatar

    Most of 7b-8b models run just fine in 4bits quant and won’t use more than 4 or 5 GB of VRAM.

    The only important metric is the amount of VRAM as the model must be loaded in VRAM for fast inference.

    You could use CPU and RAM but it is really painfully slow.

    If you got an Apple Silicon Mac it could be even simpler.

    veniasilente ,

    I have an Intel Celeron Mobile laptop with iGPU and, I think, 256MB VRAM. How many bs does that get me for the LLM?

    Only half-joking. That’s my still functional old daily driver now serving as homelab

    joneskind ,
    @joneskind@lemmy.world avatar

    Well, I got a good news and a bad news.

    The bad news is you won’t do shit with that my dear friend.

    The good news is that you won’t need it because the duck is back.

    LucidBoi ,

    SearXNG

    Feathercrown ,

    This is the single most obnoxious name I’ve ever seen. But, the service could be good (I’ve never used it)

    tudor ,

    Basically the mother of all search engines. Merges Google, DuckDuckGo, Bing, etc. into one.

    noodlejetski ,

    it’s a fork (Next Generation) of deprecated SearX project.

    Garry ,

    Brave search is independent. It was trained with google search but now it’s a thing of its own and doesn’t rely on google. I switched from DuckDuckGo a year ago and haven’t looked back

    stebo02 ,
    @stebo02@sopuli.xyz avatar

    trained? like AI trained?

    Blisterexe ,

    No?

    Garry ,

    Nope, like it used to index from google but now it doesn’t. DuckDuckGo gets all its results from bing

    stebo02 ,
    @stebo02@sopuli.xyz avatar

    forgive my ignorance but why doesn’t it get its own results

    jaybone ,

    Yeah I was confused by that choice of words. Train is for ML and AIs. Search engines used to need crawlers to run regularly because, you know, shit changes.

    mholiv ,

    Brave search is run by crypto bros. I’d rather use Kagi or DDG or even Google.

    Garry ,

    I would use Kagi if it was free. It might be run by crypto bros but doesn’t mean it’s a bad product. Google and bing own 99% of the search engine market. Competition that doesn’t rely on those two is always good

    tranceFusion ,

    Well they were dishonest about the product behavior in multiple cases, such as adding referral links to search results. That makes it a bad product.

    iopq ,

    That is a much better argument. But I still use it because I finally get different results from bing or Google.

    Garry ,

    I agree they were, but that’s the benefits of open source you can call out companies for doing stupid shit. Just like when Mozilla adds unnecessary telemetry.

    tranceFusion ,

    Brave products are not open source. Not their search, and not the browser. Your post wording seems to imply that it is.

    Garry ,

    I know the search is not but I thought the browser was on GitHub

    tranceFusion ,

    I stand corrected!

    RmDebArc_5 ,
    @RmDebArc_5@sh.itjust.works avatar

    The browser is open source (MPL)

    tranceFusion ,

    Never knew that, thanks for the correction.

    mholiv ,

    Lumping in Bing with Google is just unfair. Google controls like 90% of search. Bing is ~3.5%. Choosing duck duck go and helping that 3.5% is wayyyy better of a choice than supporting crypto bros.

    gs.statcounter.com/search-engine-market-share

    Garry ,

    Personally I don’t want to support Microsoft bing either. This website you shared doesn’t lump together all the bing using search engines (DuckDuckGo and yahoo). How is supporting Microsoft a wayyy better choice. This isn’t some pump and dump scheme. Your criticism should be of the company (they added referall links to their browser and the owner has some nasty political takes on top of running another privacy invasive company).

    mholiv ,

    It does not matter if it lumps them together or not. Google still has 90% and they’re not Bing. Yandax another ~3% and they’re not Bing. That means at max Bing is 7% if you combine the rest. 3.5% vs 7% does not change the root of my argument.

    Those points you make against Brave are valid though. I just run into too many people who are in the Brave cult and it’s concerning.

    Scrollone ,

    There’s a new search engine called Yep, made by the team at Ahrefs, a SEO tool SaaS.

    It looks promising because they have their own index, but it’s a bit slow sometimes.

    AeroLemming ,

    I only tried one example, so the sample size is pretty small, but that search engine seems pretty bad. I tried looking up “rust bevy points” in both Google and Yep. The first Google result is a library to draw points in Bevy and the rest are pretty relevant. Yep simply doesn’t have that result at all and all of their results are just generic results about Bevy.

    I tried DDG for the sake of comparison and it’s somewhere in-between. The results are mostly relevant and the “correct” result is still on the first page.

    noodlejetski ,

    We may collect aggregated, non-personal search data to improve search algorithms, train AI models

    ugh

    sugartits ,

    Just pay the extra for unlimited searches. It’s not much money, especially if it’s a tool for work.

    Jarix ,

    Listen sugartits, some of us don’t have much money. So if it’s not much money we still don’t have it

    (Mostly i just wanted to point out your username by using it in a comment)

    qyron ,

    That was one of the most out of the blue comments I have ever read. It sounded so… unreal. Something out of a sitcom. Then I read “sugartits” is the name of the lemmy you were replying to. That’s was really top mark. Kudos for you.

    qyron ,

    It’s a hobby as it is.

    If I ever manage to sell enough copies of it to be able to pay for a Kagi subscription, I’ll do it and make it public knowledge.

    Evehn ,
    @Evehn@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Just letting you know kagi has a family plan with unlimited searches, so you can probably split it with family or friends! I have yet to see how searxng search holds up to kagi.

    Shellbeach ,

    I jumped back on ecosia. It’s nice there, but I’m sure there are issues that a non tech person like me may not know about

    qyron ,

    Read somewhere on the thread Ecosia is part of Bing ecosystem.

    Twig ,
    @Twig@sopuli.xyz avatar

    It is. That or it was very coincidentally down for the exact amount of time as DDG.

    LambdaRX ,
    @LambdaRX@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Mojeek is far from perfect, but also is 100% independent.

    Gamers_Mate ,

    Thank you I tried Mojeek a few days ago but I forgot what it was called. the site for mojeek is mojeek.com btw.

    Mojeek ,
    @Mojeek@lemmy.ml avatar

    Sometimes it’s a hard one to remember 😅

    istanbullu ,

    brave search is pretty good: search.brave.com

    kurcatovium ,

    There’s also mojeek.com running their own index. Not perfect, but sometimes usable.

    Mojeek ,
    @Mojeek@lemmy.ml avatar

    you can also send us in queries where we’re not perfect, or let us know elsewhere, and we’re keen on fixing them

    kurcatovium ,

    That was unexpected, but welcome message. Thanks for caring.

    jol ,

    Was this news to you? Other than Google and Bing there aren’t any other significant alternatives. Even brave is a bit limited.

    qyron ,

    You can’t know everything.

    jol ,

    Yes, I understand that, but still surprised. I thought it was well known that DDG used bing.

    qyron ,

    Today, I was the 1% getting to know something new.

    KillingTimeItself ,

    if you just hate western companies, there’s always yandex, supports more fringe contents as well, since russia moment.

    qyron ,

    Hate requires too much emotional investment. What I want is options.

    KillingTimeItself ,

    well good news for you! It’s also an option!

    lolcatnip ,

    But it’s Russian.

    KillingTimeItself ,

    yeah, but it is another option if you don’t want to sell your data to big google. Plus it also has utility in other areas.

    Worth consideration.

    SeedyOne ,

    Appreciate the edits

    qyron ,

    You’re welcome.

    Lumisal ,

    You should add startpage.com to your list

    qyron ,

    Done!

    Facebones ,

    I run a searxng instance on my pi server, use it from all of my devices, honestly forget its a thing running from my office 99% of the time until I’m rebooting the pi for one reason or another and spend more seconds than I’d like to admit wondering why I can’t run a search 🤣😅

    Holzkohlen ,

    Ecosia also uses Bing and was also down. That’s the one I use.

    foremanguy92_ ,

    Using SearX instance and cannot find bing results 🤨

    j4yt33 ,

    Startpage isn’t working for me either, Google still works fine (if you want to call it that)

    Psythik ,

    Anything that uses Microsoft APIs is down.

    j4yt33 ,

    I thought Startpage uses Google?

    noodlejetski ,

    it’s been using both for a while.

    j4yt33 ,

    Ah I didn’t know that! Thanks!

    NewDay ,
    @NewDay@lemmy.world avatar

    Startpage web search uses google primarily and startpage mobile search uses bing primarily. That’s why the mobile search was down but not the web search.

    ‘Bing is our primary search provider for mobile.’ www.reddit.com/r/StartpageSearch/…/l0wdd1o/?utm_s…

    ‘For the time being, you could try using the desktop version on mobile and you should be able to get web results. Please note that you might still encounter issues with image results.’ www.reddit.com/r/StartpageSearch/…/l5aibax/?utm_s…

    Dasnap ,
    @Dasnap@lemmy.world avatar

    Looking forward to the Kevin Fang video covering this in a few years.

    critical ,

    Qwant, who claim that they have their own index, is also down. Coincidence…

    squid_slime ,

    That is rather spooky

    Gluten6970 ,

    Qwant works for me, so probably a coincidence.

    Edit: nvm it only works intermittently

    Hawk ,

    Qwant uses their own index, but supplements it with Bing if they don’t have enough info (or for images).

    ichbinjasokreativ ,

    Worlds largest tech-megacorporation is unable to keep their shit up and running. Lmao.

    iopq ,

    Apple is down too?

    phoneymouse ,

    MSFT is larger

    rickyrigatoni ,

    god i wish

    lightnegative ,

    To be fair it’s probably running on Windows.

    All the servers force-restarted due to windows updates, but the update introduced an issue and now the Bing API service won’t start

    Keeping shit running on Windows is always going to be a gamble

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