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smuuthbrane , to lemmyshitpost in My children will refer to me as father.
@smuuthbrane@sh.itjust.works avatar

“Bruh, can you tuck me in?” 😂

einlander ,

Aye bruh, can I get a goodnight kiss?

WildlyCanadian , to memes in Firefox gang raise
@WildlyCanadian@lemmy.ca avatar

I love Firefox’s new logo…

tahoe ,

Yeah, I feel like it’s one of the best current logos. It’s simplified but not oversimplified and it looks really good.

original_ish_name ,

That’s not it. Mozilla has ruined firefox. They have added spyware and made google the default engine. Most of their profits go to shady places, etc

callyral ,
@callyral@kbin.social avatar

They need money somehow, making Google the default search engine is a source of income.

AbsolutelyNotCats , (edited )
@AbsolutelyNotCats@lemdro.id avatar

You can always make startpage or ddg your default search engine anyways, both on android and desktop

Quill7513 ,

Takes a couple of seconds to change the default engine, turn off the gnarlier of the telemetry, and disable the sponsored stuff in the new tab page. Infinitely better than any other mainstream browser

original_ish_name ,

Infinitely better than any other mainstream browser

Not really a high bar

original_ish_name , (edited )

Duckduckgo proxies bing search results (ober the api, they aren’t chad scrapers) and is therefore is under the foot of microsoft. This has forced them to whitelist ms trackers in their privacy tools but I haven’t heard anything bad about the search engine.

Startpage scrapes google results so isn’t under anyones foot. It has had some controversy due to being bought by an ad company but they haven’t seemed to do anything bad yet

In all, startpage is better than duckduckgo

AbsolutelyNotCats ,
@AbsolutelyNotCats@lemdro.id avatar

Which search engine do you recommend?

original_ish_name ,

I don’t know

Maybe brave search?

AbsolutelyNotCats ,
@AbsolutelyNotCats@lemdro.id avatar

I don’t think brave is privacy friendly at all

RIP_Apollo ,

Could you please explain why you don’t think Brave is privacy friendly?

I think Brave Search has a really good privacy policy.

Brave Search is designed to be private by default. We don’t collect personal information about you, your device or your searches. We also don’t transmit information to the web that could be used to profile you or track you or learn anything about you. Your searches are private to YOU.

It’s also worth noting that Brave has its own search index… as opposed to DuckDuckGo which uses Bing, and StartPage which uses Google.

Although admittedly this does mean that the search results from Brave Search isn’t the best at the moment. Hopefully this will improve with time.

RIP_Apollo ,

Are you referring to the time when the DuckDuckGo browser was blocking all known trackers except Microsoft trackers? After that information was made public and users complained, DuckDuckGo was able to renegotiate its agreement with Microsoft so that it can block their trackers.

Furthermore, DuckDuckGo now publish their blocklist on GitHub.

Source: techcrunch.com/…/duckduckgo-microsoft-tracking-sc…

It’s worth clarifying that this issue affected the DuckDuckGo browser, not the search engine itself.

So if you were refusing to use DuckDuckGo browser on the basis that they allow Microsoft tracking, then that issue has been resolved now. But if you were saying that this incident has made you lose trust in DDG and that’s why you refuse to use it… well, that’s fair enough. It’s your choice, but I personally would trust DDG more than StartPage, just because StartPage is owned by an ad company.

HotsauceHurricane ,

It keeps Google from anti-competitive lawsuits. So it’s mutually beneficial, although the first thing you should do is change your search engine to a more private one.

planish ,

If you are paying people to compete with you, you need some anticompetitive lawsuits.

HotsauceHurricane ,

you’re not wrong.

original_ish_name ,

Most of their money goes to shady places anyway. The money is unnecessery

Quill7513 ,

Googles been the default engine since the Netscape Websuite days. I don’t always love what Mozilla does with their browser, but they do an excellent job of balancing “the web should be easy to use,” “the web should be humane,” and “the web should be what you want it to be.”

If you want to say Mozilla sucks, that’s fine, go ahead, just be ready for that any other browser Dev group is either worse or dependent on being downstream of Firefox to do what they do

Empricorn ,

They have added spyware

Uh, yeah; gonna need a source on this. You’re allowed to not like that they made Google the default search engine, but this statement is straight up-misinformation.

Quill7513 ,

I presume they’re talking about pocket integration

original_ish_name ,

I can’t rember my source so take this with a grain of salt but your browser still connects to telemetry.mozilla.org even when telemetry is turned off and you need to use something like arkenfox or install a fork like librewolf to fully disable. I discovered this after going through a rabbithole when pihole said it blocked telemetry.mozilla.org even when I disabled telemetry

I have found this support page on the matter

They also have no rule against spyware (or at least proprietary software) on addons.mozilla.org

LordOfTheChia , to lemmyshitpost in I love d

For those that want the source and confirmation:

spoilerIt originated from a satire website: World News Daily Report ::: ::: spoiler spoiler leadstories.com/…/fake-news-fbi-raid-at-nsa-emplo…

atocci ,
@atocci@kbin.social avatar

Thank you haha I was gonna say there's no way it works like that

4am ,

Article by “Hasan”

Her first name is “Hillary”

Her last name is “Wang”

Obvious parody.

The NSA does have all the pictures from your phone and probably your PC as well, though. And you’d be naive to think they can’t search by object, because I can do that shit on Amazon Photos. They don’t have a “dick” filter but how hard (giggity) would it be to make one? Just buy Chatroulette’s ML model for a start.

jdf038 ,

Hot dog or not hot dog?

quicksand ,

Goddammit Jin Yang

Ubermeisters ,

Not seeing how that first name is anything other than generic placeholder first name?

4am ,

Hillary Clinton, in a story about American intelligence agencies

Pelicanen ,

How do you know they don’t have a dick filter?

bigdog_00 ,

Set up NextCloud, sync your photos to your own NextCloud server, and you’re good to go. The crazy thing is it’s becoming trivial for even a non-technical user to set everything up. Tail scale means there is no reason to put forward if you are just using it for personal use, and you literally just have to log into tail scale with your Google account on the server and your phone. You can run next cloud in a virtual machine with virtualBox, and that’s literally it. You don’t have to deal with updating, being stuck in PHP or dependency hell, none of that. Seriously, we are at such a crazy time in history where you can set up your own cloud infrastructure with an hour of work for even an non-technical user, and stop paying for iCloud photos or Google photos storage each month. It saves you money and improves your privacy

quixotic120 , to foodporn in Real meat vs Beyond meat

Imo impossible meat is superior to beyond although nutritionally it’s a mixed bag. It introduces a decent amount of carbs (9g per 4oz) and has over 5x the sodium of beef. But it also has a bit of fiber and a either comparable or more vitamin/mineral content than beef. Protein is comparable to 80% ground with 20% less caloric content

Beyond is similar.

They’re both basically vegetable proteins with binders and fats and some flavorings. The big game changer flavoring is leghemoglobin which both use. It’s a protein isolated from soy that is very similar to certain enzymes from bovine muscle. Impossible got the fda to approve it in 2019 and it was challenged; there are some concerns on whether it is safe to eat. I’m not super well read on the issue but from what I’ve perused the issue is one of a lack of long term testing and not of any direct concern.

The textural difference between the two is because beyond uses isolated pea protein, which gives it a texture that’s a bit chunkier and imo more sausage like, and impossible uses soy protein, which imo is more like a cheap burger patty you’d get at McDonald’s.

The fats are typical fats like coconut oil or sunflower oil to recreate the fatty part of beef and this is the current weakness of the products imo. Coconut oil is used because it tends to stay solidified at room temp so when you’re making patties it feels like there are chunks of beef fat. In practice this is weird because they are far too hard and aren’t dispersed enough throughout the product; I believe this is why these fake meats tend to stick to the pan much easier than actual burgers cooked in a skillet.

The binders are big scary words like methylcellulose which is also a source of fiber and can be used as a laxative so people latch onto that and freak out. But it’s only used as a binder to help it hold everything together here so it’s like a tiny amount that just provides a bit of fiber that you probably desperately need if you’re having burgers for dinner. Fun fact: Certain preparations of methylcellulose (a4c) turn into gels when heated so you can use them to make hot ice cream! It’s pretty weird to eat, like a normal ice cream base that solidifies when you put it into boiling water

The other ingredients are stuff like beet juice for coloring

Final fun fact: technically impossible meat is not vegan because animal testing was done during its development.

Thanks for reading my unprompted essay on the composition of modern vegan meat substitutes. This was brought to you by my failed interest in becoming a food scientist. Also you may note I don’t really discuss how they compare to meat and that’s because I don’t eat meat which by law I am required to mention in all posts about food

WoahWoah ,

How do you know someone is a vegetarian? Don’t worry, they’ll tell you.

Just kidding, most vegetarians I know are really cool and non-judgmental about others’ eating habits. I’ve actually reduced my meat intake just by hanging out with a vegetarian friend that always went out of their way to make me something with meat when we ate together, and to return the favor I would always make vegetarian dishes when they ate at my place. And then I just sort of got into the challenge of making tasty veggie dishes! I would say I’ve halved my meat consumption over the last year because of it.

Retrograde ,
@Retrograde@lemmy.world avatar

Thanks for the interesting write up.

Why are you required by law to say you don’t eat meat?

rust ,

I think it’s a joke based on the stereotype of vegans being very outspoken about it.

quixotic120 ,

It was a bad joke

HelixDab2 ,

I do eat meat, quite frequently.

Impossible is the only meat substitute I’ve had that I couldn’t immediately tell the difference with, in either flavor or texture. If the price is ever on-par with hamburger (ideally cheaper), I will switch without hesitation. I will highly recommend it to anyone that’s vegan (yes, yes, I know) or vegetarian.

I’ve also had some soy wings that are very, very good, better than real wings. Then again, I don’t actually like real chicken wings that much.

quixotic120 ,

The meat alternatives will only get better as time goes on and market demand grows. A burger or nugget is really not an impossible (lol) to recreate item; most of the meat texture is lost by the processing involved.

A burger is obviously ground and a nugget is usually chicken that’s ground to almost a paste then shaped and breaded. At that point it’s finding something that can approximate the texture of the mushed up meat goo and then finding something that can convincingly flavor it. That’s why impossible was so adamant to get leghemoglobin cleared by the fda, it really is by far the best option. If not that your other options are basically trying to recreate a “meaty flavor” with spice blends and msg which is how the older meat alternatives worked

The much bigger challenge is finding something that can texturally approximate intact muscle (eg wings or steak). As you’ve said there are decent soy wings and there are steak strip things and such but these are generally passable. They taste good and are fine as a meal but they aren’t the same in the way an impossible burger is reallllly close to a burger. Lots of people trying though! Jackfruit, tvp, seitan, pea and soy protein, etc. but none of them come close to the mouth feel and texture of a wing or steak. Someday, maybe. I hope someone figures it out; I haven’t had meat in like 20 years or so but I do miss the texture of steak from time to time and wish I had something that could recreate that

Nouveau_Burnswick ,

Not as experienced as you, but I find ground meats can be substituted out no problem. I’ve got jackfruit, soy, and mushroom alternatives on the menu that all have specific niches, but can still work across the board.

My current testing is sausages. Breakfast ones in particular make a large part of my diet, so I’m hoping to find off the self instead of making them.

CaptFeather ,

Only thing stopping me from buying Impossible over beef is the cost. Soon as it’s comparable in price I have no problem switching.

stalfoss ,

No idea where in the world you are but in the US there’s a chain Grocery Outlet that I often find both Beyond and Impossible for like half off and it’s great

Aux ,

You can see the difference even visually. WTF are you talking about?

HelixDab2 ,

Since I don’t usually eat steak tartare, the raw appearance isn’t relevant to me. The cooked appearance is close enough to not be noted.

(I like tartare, but finding a butcher that is fully trustworthy is difficult where I live.)

Aux ,

The photo in the post shows a huge difference in appearance.

BarrelAgedBoredom ,

Methylcellulose is also used as an egg white substitute in vegan cocktails! It foams up in a very similar way to egg whites and has little.to no effect on the flavor. It’s often prepared as a syrup to make portioning easier as you only need small amounts to achieve the foaming effect

quixotic120 ,

It’s an excellent foaming agent! Methocel f50 foams will last a lot longer than egg foams too

Just make sure you get the right kind though. Usually if you get “methylcellulose” it’s f50 but there are a lot of different types with different properties. The a4c variety I mentioned for hot ice cream will make foams but won’t work as well and is better for gel applications. But there are a lot of varieties of methocel and many are only subtly different from each other

piecat ,

Wonder if they can use it for firefighting foam instead of PFOAs.

Alternately, I wonder how good of a foam PFOAs will give my cocktail.

SubArcticTundra ,
@SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml avatar

This was very fascinating. Do you work in the industry?

quixotic120 ,

I wanted to very badly but then life happened and now I have a whole other career!

I still cook a lot though and I have a lot of weird powders and additives and machinery for stuff. I have a whole ass refrigerated centrifuge that can spin 3 liters at a time so I can isolate my own pea and soy protein in quantity! It weighs like 350 pounds and it’s from the 80s but fuck it, it’s super cool and I was able to get it for $25 from a lab I interned at. I can’t make soy leghemoglobin at home though at there’s no commercial supplier I’ve found so far so I have to still buy impossible or beyond meat if I want it, bummer

Hopefully there will be more food nerds on lemmy. I am only an amateur food nerd, there are way better ones out there

blackluster117 ,
@blackluster117@possumpat.io avatar

I hope to see more of your essay comments on food posts in the future. This is the kind of engagement I live for.

SubArcticTundra ,
@SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml avatar

Man that’s so cool. Have you tried cooking anything else with it (if you can’t make patty)? Also is there any interesting reading material you could recommend me?

quixotic120 ,

You can basically use it any way you would use ground beef, bolognese, meatballs, curry, tacos, whatever

Read on food and cooking by McGee and ratio by ruhlman to start

SubArcticTundra ,
@SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml avatar

Oh, also one more question, is pea protein nutritionally equivalent to ground beef or would you start missing something if you treated it that way?

quixotic120 ,

Pea/soy protein itself as they’re just isolated proteins isn’t but the full product impossible/beyond is pretty comparable

impossible vs 80/20 ground beef nutritionally, beyond is fairly similar

pokemaster787 ,

has over 5x the sodium of beef

I’m curious, I’ve never cooked with Impossible meat before, is the “meat” just already salted/seasoned well? When I make a burger I definitely add quite a bit of salt while cooking, wondering if that sodium is just it being pre-seasoned or if that’s before a (needed) good pinch of salt

quixotic120 ,

It’s probably from the yeast extract which is part of the heme

To be clear tho it still doesn’t have all that much salt. It’s more that raw beef just barely has any. Both impossible meat and raw beef pale in comparison to the salt content of the final burger, where the sodium content skyrockets from things like ketchup, pickles, seasoning the patty during cooking, the salt content of the bun, etc

And imo you should still salt/pepper an impossible patty after formation. As mentioned, while the salt content is higher, it’s still not terribly high, and imo it benefits from a bit more. In my experience it’s not like meat and you can salt whenever you want (whereas with beef you generally want to salt patties absolutely last minute to avoid giving the meat a lightly cured texture)

CascadianGiraffe ,

Oh yes it does have enough salt to stand on its own. I never add salt to either Beyond or Impossible brands. I might add other seasoning if I’m trying to hit a flavor profile (liquid smoke, cajun spices, curry, etc).

You can just plop it out as-is and it’ll cook up nicely. Just don’t squish all the liquid out of it. I’ve had some nasty versions because people get away with poor cooking skills with reql meat and these don’t tolerate the same abuses.

misnina ,
@misnina@crystals.rest avatar

I upvoted your post 1/2 way through just for the sheer effort of information. (and did continue reading, I just have nothing of value to add)

PilferJynx ,

Seems like an absolute process. I’m not a vegan but it’s nice you guys have options when you’re craving a burger. I can’t wait until that lab grown meat hits the markets.

glassware ,

Honestly I think Beyond Meat/Impossible style burgers are aimed at meat eaters who want to reduce animal cruelty/their carbon footprint. It’s actually kind of annoying they’re so popular now, as restaurants that used to have creative vegan options now sell Beyond Meat as the only choice.

Vegans don’t tend to care if a veggie burger is “realistic”. Some find the idea of meat gross and don’t want to roleplay eating it (my wife says they make her feel sick). Even if you don’t mind, the longer you give up meat the less interesting it is as a flavor. I’d take one of those shitty frozen veggie burgers that are 90% potato over an Impossible burger.

Obi ,
@Obi@sopuli.xyz avatar

If I ever go vegetarian I’d definitely just enjoy stuff like falafels, curries, halloumi and the million other options and not worry about reproducing meat.

Zoomboingding ,
@Zoomboingding@lemmy.world avatar

I get impossible burgers often and can confirm. Not vegetarian, but I’ve massively reduced red meat consumption and impossible/beyond really hits the spot when I want a burger. It’s an option at tons of restaurants now which is amazing. I also get 10 packs of impossible burgers at costco for like $10, honestly incredible deal.

Gregorech ,

I mean a nice portobello grilled up is a great alternative without the hassle.

rDrDr ,

A grilled portabella is better than any veggie burger I’ve had, and better than most beef burgers too.

CascadianGiraffe ,

Even if you don’t mind, the longer you give up meat the less interesting it is as a flavor.

I think there’s a curve to this.

When I first became vegetarian there were no fake meat options. If you got something that looked or tasted like meat it was because there was meat in it. Gross and nobody wanted that.

But after 20+ years being vegetarian, it’s REALLY nice to have some other options. I still enjoy a garden burger or black bean burger if it’s the only non-meat option but I can’t remember the last time I bought it in the store. The rise in popularity of vegetarian foods and all the fad diets have made it so there’s tons of options now.

My meat eating friends all love both Beyond and Impossible. A few actually prefer it to a standard burger.

Now if we can just teach restaurants how to cook them properly…

supercriticalcheese ,

Also between a industrial processed food and something like a falafel I would go for the second every time.

Aux ,

That’s pretty disgusting ultra processed shit.

aberrate_junior_beatnik ,

Yeah, unlike the totally non-disgusting way meat is processed

Aux ,

It’s not processed.

aberrate_junior_beatnik ,
Aux ,

What? You dumb?

aberrate_junior_beatnik ,

Absolutely, I am a complete idiot. I pointed out to you that a simple & obvious search results in multiple definitions & examples of how meat is processed. I thought that would result in you understanding that meat is, in fact, processed. In hindsight, that was extremely stupid of me and I feel very dumb.

Aux ,

Wut? Do you even read, bro?

quixotic120 ,

What defines ultra processed? Are chicken nuggets ultra processed if I simply purée a chicken breast, add salt, shape, bread, and fry? I’ve turned it into something that is completely irrelevant to its original form. Is sausage ultra processed because I added nitrates? Is nitrate free sausage not ultra processed because I used the loophole where I added celery juice for its natural nitrate content instead of adding them directly?

When exactly does it become ultra processed? When a chemist gets involved and gives things proper names that freak you out?

Are you one of the kooky types that freak out when they see “sodium stearoyl lactylate” on the label of their sandwich bread even though it’s safe to eat and objectively makes your bread better and last longer? If so I’m sorry that you insist on eating bread that is not as soft and goes stale in 2 days

Vegoon ,

unlike the not disgusting animal farming process: vox.com/…/pig-farm-investigation-feedback-immunit…

Aux ,

That’s US. Everything is shit there.

umbraroze , to lemmyshitpost in Damn it Salmo

Salmo has two AI packages commanding him to take five loaves of bread to the Two Sisters Lodge at 10am and to the West Weald Inn at midday, but the packages never execute as he has no bread in his inventory and the packages are of “escort” type, meaning he doesn’t actively seek any out. It’s possible this bug was introduced to avoid another, more serious one: if bread is given to Salmo using the console or CS, he will walk to one of the inns as commanded, take a bite of bread, and the game will crash. (UESP)

Right, this is classic Bethesda stuff right here.

leisesprecher ,

This is what’s happening in highly complex software over time. Every larger system has corners like this.

I’ve worked on a system that required that you send invalid XML, because some bloke 10 years ago didn’t know what he’s doing and hardcoded a certain structure.

Easy fix, but our clients relied in the old behavior, and nobody bothered fixing it.

Prunebutt ,

and nobody bothered fixing it.

As they said: “Classic Bethesda behavior”

Kolanaki ,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

The real solution is to make Salmo not have a need to eat.

_stranger_ ,

Bethesda implemented a train in fallout 3 as a person wearing a train for a hat.

I don’t think they’re capable of solving things in normal straightforward ways.

FiniteBanjo ,

TBF the train worked really well and they managed to avoid programming vehicles from scratch.

roguetrick ,

And the terrain that train is passing? Also a hat. The skybox the terrain is floating in? You guessed it. It’s hats all the way down.

Engineer Train Hat

BreadOven ,

Always has been.

PenisDuckCuck9001 ,

Fuggin’ pointers

JackbyDev ,

I can only imagine what horrors of a more serious bug this hides.

Grayox , to lemmyshitpost in Stay Mad, Tankies
@Grayox@lemmy.ml avatar

I am a tankie and voting for Biden lmao. The Prolitariat must be protected till enough class conciousness is achieved for Socialism to succeed.

UraniumBlazer ,

THANK YOU. It’s that fkin simple.

Passerby6497 ,

So simple, yet so hard for so many to understand.

vaultdweller013 ,

Most folks are dumber than a chickens.

Feathercrown ,

Based and practicalpilled

null ,

Most based .ml user

goldenlocks ,

The Prolitariat must be protected

By consenting to corruption and a path to WWIII. That is not protecting them, in fact it is ensuring them a terrible future. If you cared about them, you would vote, volunteer, donate, and support the PSL, CPUSA, or Green party instead.

AVincentInSpace , (edited )

None of those parties have a ghost of a chance of winning, and with as razor thin as the win margins were in 2016 and 2020, I’m not confident Biden will win if we don’t vote for him. I sincerely hope I do not have to explain why Trump would be worse on literally every issue (especially Gaza) than Biden is.

goldenlocks ,

Then do something about it instead of complain. I am, what are you doing? You vote for corruption.

DragonTypeWyvern ,

Bro’s protest voting when the Weimar American Republic has Nazis on the ballot and thinks building “grassroots support” for the twentieth year in a row justifies it when the world is about to run out of time anyways

You want Green candidates? Tell them to run as Democrats or make a fucking militia.

goldenlocks ,

Dems are actually fascists, and you are as well for not only voting for them, but gathering support for them online when you could be doing that for a decent party.

MindTraveller ,

🤡

goldenlocks ,

Imagine watching that debate and saying someone is a clown for not voting for them.

pivot_root ,

The Democrat party is just as corrupt and bought out by corporations as the Republicans are, but at least they aren’t trying to get the country to circle the drain as quickly.

goldenlocks ,

The past 4 years prove you wrong on that.

AVincentInSpace ,

Did they? We got back in the Paris climate accords, gay marriage got codified into an actual law, student loan forgiveness started rolling out, clamping down on junk fees and overdraft fees…

goldenlocks ,

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/biden-administration-approves-controversial-alaska-oil-drilling-projec-rcna74679

He lied about student loan forgiveness.

He has us barreling towards WWIII and has destroyed our reputation on a global scale with our support of genocide in Palestine.

AVincentInSpace ,

I got a question for you though. Same one you were asked two replies ago.

Do you think that the Republicans are better?

goldenlocks ,

I think the Green party is better, that’s why I vote for it. Google “democracy” and find out why!

AVincentInSpace ,

Let me put it this way.

Right now, no one knows your chosen third-party candidate exists. Let’s suppose you, personally, set out to change that. Let’s suppose you’re the best campaign manager ever, and that you and your friends lead the best grassroots campaign in history, so much so that come November you’ve convinced everyone who would have voted third party and two-thirds of the people who would have voted for Biden to vote for your candidate instead.

Let’s suppose that, had you done nothing, the vote breakdown will be the same in 2024 as it was in 2020. Biden got 51.3% of the popular vote, Trump got 46.8%, and that leaves just under 2% who voted third party. In 2024, thanks to your heroic efforts, the green party candidate gets 36.2% of the vote and Biden gets 17.1%, but oh no – Trump wins by a landslide because Trump supporters, who care not for your left-of-center politics, stuck by their guy and gave him 46% of the vote again, and in first-past-the-post voting, that’s all that matters! Your heroic efforts to get your message out about your better candidate only resulted in splitting the vote and ensuring Trump would win!

goldenlocks ,

In 2024, thanks to your heroic efforts, the green party candidate gets 36.2% of the vote and Biden gets 17.1%, but oh no – Trump wins by a landslide because Trump supporters, who care not for your left-of-center politics, stuck by their guy and gave him 46% of the vote again, and in first-past-the-post voting, that’s all that matters! Your heroic efforts to get your message out about your better candidate only resulted in splitting the vote and ensuring Trump would win!

This would be the greatest accomplishment for the working class in American history if it happened. The Greens would then start to win congressional seats, and being the process of taking over the government like the Morena party just did in Mexico.

AVincentInSpace , (edited )

It’s also completely impossible. A campaign that could convince two thirds of Biden voters to switch would shatter every record for a grassroots campaign (heck, even a corporate backed campaign) that had ever been set, by orders of magnitude. You are not going to convince a statistically significant number of people to switch their vote, especially not between now and November.

I also feel like you’re missing the part where even if you DID accomplish that, Trump would still win the presidency! If you vote third party you might as well not vote!

Especially given how slim the win margins were in 2020 and 2016, I’m not convinced that Biden will win if we don’t all vote for him. I hate the DNC as much as anyone else does, but if you don’t want a person who openly plans to abuse his Presidential powers to punish his opponents for daring to prosecute him for a crime he committed, you only have one choice.

goldenlocks ,

It’s also completely impossible. A campaign that could convince two thirds of Biden voters to switch would shatter every record for a grassroots campaign (heck, even a corporate backed campaign) that had ever been set, by orders of magnitude. You are not going to convince a statistically significant number of people to switch their vote, especially not between now and November.

You’re the one that made this ridiculous argument in the first place. I am expressing democracy by supporting and growing the party I agree with the most.

AVincentInSpace ,

I came up with a ridiculous, hyperbolic example that would still result in a victory for Trump to demonstrate that no amount of effort from third party voters would sway the election, even if they could all agree on who the best third party candidate was. Apparently hardcore leftists are so dense you thought I was saying it could actually happen.

But thank you for your honesty. Please, support your third party candidate. I’d love to see them grow, truly. But I sincerely hope you don’t think they actually have a chance, not while the people who operate the DNC are breathing.

goldenlocks ,

You’re the reason Trump is winning, because you refused to criticize Biden and the Dems, and not grow another party as an option.

AVincentInSpace , (edited )

I do criticize Biden. I have also written three paragraphs in this thread already about why a third party winning the presidency is impossible, and thus voting for Biden is necessary to prevent Trump taking office. Good to see leftists are just as incapable of defending their positions as always.

Voting third party is great at the local level. Voting third party at the national level when they don’t already have a hold anywhere else does not even grow the party. It just wastes your vote.

I do tire of conversing with trolls.

goldenlocks ,

No, you don’t you are openly trying to gather support for his geriatric ass.

Voting third party is the only reasonable option.

AVincentInSpace ,

Goodbye, troll.

goldenlocks ,

Not trolling, just the one who understands democracy.

AVincentInSpace ,

Which is it, do you not understand FPTP voting, do you think that voting for a third party candiate at the presidential level will convince anyone who is not already a member of the green party to switch, or are you really this dense?

We could have an entirely separate conversation about why the Green Party in specific sucks, not least because the candidate they put forward thinks vaccines cause autism, but if you can’t be convinced that voting third party doesn’t do anything I don’t want to talk to you anymore at all.

If your next response is less than three sentences long I’m going to block you.

goldenlocks ,

You don’t understand FPTP voting. It’s a common system, you can read about it and see many countries have parties that rise and fall in power, it’s not limited to 2 parties, you are simply a victim of propaganda.

AVincentInSpace ,

I will leave you with this explanation and a block.

goldenlocks ,

Because you can’t accept you are wrong. That’s why you block.

DragonTypeWyvern , (edited )

Yes, yes, we all know what happens when you scratch a liberal but it’s better than not having to scratch to find it. Even if all that’s holding the powers that be back is a skin-deep veneer of civility and deniability a vote to strip that veneer away makes you a fool, not a revolutionary.

goldenlocks ,

it’s better than not having to scratch to find it.

There’s no need to scratch. They openly support the genocide of children.

The real fool is the one that puts no effort into change.

AVincentInSpace ,

This is something I would say as a joke to make fun of a strawman version of you

goldenlocks ,

Joe’s crime bill is absolutely fascist.

Nelots ,

Nobody likes voting for the lesser of two evils, but we all have to if we want to stop an even further decline into hell. Our system is broken, and we don’t have any way of fixing it immediately, so we have to work with what we can. Trump as president will have immediate and direct consequences for many people, and it will be the fault of people like you that it happened. At this point, not voting for Biden is the same thing as voting for Trump. You may continue virtue signaling after we get through the crisis right in front of us.

goldenlocks ,

You’re not voting for the lesser of two evils, you are voting for corruption and evil while doing absolutely nothing about it.

pivot_root ,

The system is set up in a way that the only viable options are between two evils, unfortunately. Under a FPTP system where the only good options are minority parties that won’t win a single seat in their districts, you’re left with the choice of voting for the lesser evil, or voting for your morals but increasing the risk of the greater evil winning.

It’s a no-win situation.

goldenlocks ,

No, you can vote for whoever you want. You all on here are too lazy to gather support for another party.

gladflag ,

You’re voting for no one, giving more of a chance for the greater of two evils and still doing nothing. Where your fucking guillotine?

goldenlocks ,

I’m voting for Jill Stein. And I got one out back.

assassin_aragorn ,

Lmao the green party isn’t going to do jack shit. They’re completely unserious about politics. They aren’t even trying to build up an infrastructure in all 50 states that lets them get suffused into local and state politics. They aren’t even aiming for Congressional seats, which would be necessary for an actual Green president to get anything done.

They’re just anti science grifters who think wifi causes cancer, entertain vaccine skepticism, and demonize nuclear energy – the latter of which could be a major asset to stopping global warming. Newer designs are even able to consume nuclear waste, meaning an anti nuclear position results in more waste than we would otherwise.

goldenlocks ,

Then support the PSL. I work with the Green party to improve it, because that’s how democracy works. It’s okay you don’t understand that.

assassin_aragorn ,

I’m afraid all of us don’t have that much free time. But hey, if you can get them to stop being anti science and actually become a serious party, I’ll consider them.

Just don’t expect me to accept the Green Party’s many imperfections. If you don’t accept the Democrat’s imperfections, then you should perfectly understand.

goldenlocks ,

Send them an email and discuss your issues. They are the only voice in politics that supports the science of climate change.

Democrats don’t have imperfections, they are fundamentally flawed because they are corrupt.

assassin_aragorn ,

Until Stein vehemently recants her remarks about WiFi causing cancer, vaccine skepticism, and nuclear fear mongering – or the Green party completely disavows her and those remarks – it would be a total waste of time.

It isn’t my job as an engineer to tell “the only voice in politics that supports the science of climate change” to stop endorsing completely anti science positions. Nor is it on me to try and correct a willfully anti science party. They need to show good faith, and they’ve done nothing whatsoever to suggest any of that to me.

goldenlocks ,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2suVx9cDKw She is the one with a medical degree, so you don’t have any authority over her opinion, sounds reasonable for her to make her stance out of concern, even if she is wrong.

I’m also an engineer, and that’s why I use my knowledge to try to influence the party.

HawlSera , (edited )

I actually had my local Socialist Party USA chapter kick me out, ban me from their facebook, and publicly announce that I’m a rape apologist because I wouldn’t tell people to support an openly transphobic “Vaccines Cause Autism” Green Party candidate over Joe Biden.

TrickDacy ,

Thank you for being a sane human 🙏

assassin_aragorn ,

You get it! We can’t fuck over vulnerable people. We can’t abandon minorities and LGBT people. Even if we let things get worse to the point of a societal collapse, a lot of people will die because of it – and societal collapse has not historically led to better societies down the road.

tacosanonymous ,

I can’t even imagine how awful the people who fill that vacuum would be.

goldenlocks ,

We can’t fuck over vulnerable people.

That’s what you’re doing when voting for Dems.

Holyginz ,

Go educate yourself, and then you can join the adult discussions.

goldenlocks ,

Oh the irony.

Holyginz ,

Agreed, hopefully someday you understand it.

goldenlocks ,

Right, you should educate yourself.

HawlSera ,

Yes, I see how you’re protecting me when you elect the party that would arrest me for being a “Public Danger” because of the fact that I’m trans.

goldenlocks ,

If you would get off your ass and gather support for a decent party this wouldn’t be a problem.

HawlSera ,

Last I tried my Socialist Party USA chapter belittled me, called me a rape apologist, and refused to do anything for the local community outside of shaming people for wanting to vote out Trump by any means possible.

goldenlocks ,

That sucks, i bet there’s a more accepting party in your area for you. Try PSL or Green party

assassin_aragorn ,

“Your lack of support for Democrats may end up empowering people who will throw me in jail just for who I am”

“Stop being lazy and go improve a better party”

You’re entitled to your opinion dude, but you were a major dick here.

goldenlocks ,

Your lack of support for Democrats may end up empowering people who will throw me in jail just for who I am

Your support of Dems is what prevents a real opposition to fascism.

You’re entitled to your opinion dude, but you were a major dick here.

Truth hurts, don’t care.

assassin_aragorn ,

Here’s a brutal truth for you then. Being a raging, unapologetic jerk won’t progress your political goals. It’ll only make them harder to achieve.

Also, you’re a fucking asshole.

goldenlocks ,

Here’s a brutal truth for you then. Being a raging, unapologetic jerk won’t progress your political goals. It’ll only make them harder to achieve.

My goal isn’t to convince you, only show how you are wrong so people looking at this post will be influenced by it. Looking at your profile, you are too far gone.

No, you are an asshole.

drunkpostdisaster ,

What vulnerable people are dems going after?

Jentu ,

If you don’t know the answer to this already, I suppose the backlash against Biden from progressives might seem like bots or foreign propaganda.

drunkpostdisaster ,

I am starting to think so too.

goldenlocks ,

Nope. I just understand democracy.

Jentu ,

I feel like this reply is for someone else? We’re both coming from a leftist position. Democrats only think they’re being overrun with bots and propaganda because they aren’t actually politically informed enough to know the valid reasons why people don’t like them.

goldenlocks ,

You’re right, misread

goldenlocks ,

The poor is the most clear. Also black people, just look at our prisons, and the crime bill Joe Biden wrote

drunkpostdisaster ,

Show me. Tell me how the party of Obama and Harris are going after them.

goldenlocks ,
drunkpostdisaster ,

That’s just prison stats. Nothing about what democrats are doing to make it worse

Jentu ,

You should research cop cities. Atlanta democrats voted to fund theirs.

drunkpostdisaster ,

Proof?

Jentu ,
drunkpostdisaster ,

Okay, but notice how many democrats oppose it? Every single republican is in support of those cities

Jentu ,

Yes, yes. we all know republicans are worse. But democrats could’ve entirely prevented this, which they didn’t. They enabled it. Being better than republicans doesn’t mean the situation is better with democrats. In fact, it’s getting so much worse every single year.

drunkpostdisaster ,

I agree. But it’s the situation we are in.

Jentu ,

And the situation we’re in will continue to get worse as long as long as we’re playing the hand that’s been dealt to us instead of taking an active roll in improving things around us.

SeducingCamel ,

Don’t forget how Biden is being harder on immigration than Trump was but don’t worry Biden is totally for minorities

BreadstickNinja ,

My trans friends are what keeps me committed to voting Biden no matter how disappointed I am in him. Things are already really scary for them right now and I can’t be complicit in making them worse, even through inaction.

HawlSera ,

Consider me another one of your trans friends. If Trump gets elected I’m probably gonna die in a concentration camp. Don’t do that to me, don’t do that to them. I’m begging you for my life.

MewtwoLikesMemes ,
@MewtwoLikesMemes@lemmy.world avatar

As a transwoman as well, I second this!

Don’t let the fascist win!

bufalo1973 ,
@bufalo1973@lemmy.ml avatar

I’d suggest taking a flight overseas the day after the elections, booked prior to it. If Trump losses, you can use it to celebrate it. If he wins… well, you can ask for asylum on arrival.

HawlSera ,

Can’t afford that…

bufalo1973 ,
@bufalo1973@lemmy.ml avatar

😕

Objection ,

I am trans and not voting for Biden. I refuse to sacrifice Palestinians for my own safety or the safety of my loved ones. All the stuff people say now about them being an acceptable sacrifice or there being nothing they can do about it, that’s what they’ll be saying about us tomorrow. Solidarity between marginalized groups is the only viable strategy for long term survival.

I hate being used as a rhetorical token to make people feel better about selling out another vulnerable group.

drunkpostdisaster ,

If you actually cared you would vote biden. No one capable of it will save the Palestinians. None. At least with biden someone survives.

Objection ,

If our “democracy” has decayed to the point where I’m not able to vote on whether or not we do a genocide, then it is not a democracy and I should not legitimize the sham through participation.

There is no circumstance under which I will support genocide. If that means I die, then I will die. If any of you had a backbone you’d do the same. And if enough people drew that line, they’d have no choice but to listen to us.

drunkpostdisaster ,

Grow up. If you really want to fix our democracy it’s going to take time. Vote for every chance you get. We already have one state with ranked choice voting. If you want a real democracy that is our avenue

Objection ,

Oh, does Biden support ranked choice voting, then?

He doesn’t. I’m not going to support asshole after asshole in the vain hope that maybe out of the kindness of their hearts they’ll eventually give us freedom, which directly opposes their own interests. You’re the one that needs to grow up if you believe that fairy tale.

drunkpostdisaster ,

I don’t know. But more dems then reps do

Objection ,

You know, I used to be a lot more extreme than I am now. When I was younger, I said I wouldn’t vote for anyone unless they were going to reform the system to where I wouldn’t have to vote for a lesser evil anymore, demanding that our rulers give up their power.

Now, all I’m asking is that they stop slaughtering people. They can rule over us in their sham democracy, if they would just stop killing all these people. They won’t even do that. So again, my answer is “Hell no, fuck off.” Biden is my enemy and I will oppose him just as I oppose Trump, regardless of what the odds are. Again, anyone with a spine and a conscience should be doing the same.

drunkpostdisaster ,

And you will lose and thePalestinians will die anyway. If you believe in your cause you would accept the fact that you might not live to see it come to fruition. That’s what dying for a cause is all about.

Want to stop a genocide? Vote for a guy fighting against it happening in Ukraine

Objection ,

Nope. There is no reasoning with me on this, my position is absolute and set in stone. You want my vote, get a better candidate. No other option, period.

They will flinch first. And if they don’t, then we’ll go to hell together. You’re wasting your time with me.

drunkpostdisaster ,

Then you might as well go goose stepping right along side those trumpers

Objection ,

Well, if not voting for Trump counts as supporting him, then rest assured that Biden will have my “support.”

I’m not lifting a finger to help either of them. If Trump wins, it’ll be because the Democrats nominated that senile, genocidal corporate sycophant. It’s their job to win elections, not mine. I’ve heard you people try to shift all blame away from your shitty party and onto the left a thousand times before. You’re wasting your time. As I said, I don’t give a shit. Fix the party, win without me, or lose. Your choice, I’ve made mine.

drunkpostdisaster ,

I hate the dnc too. But I am not a fucking child who thinks the world should revolve around me

And it’s your job to vote. Freedom isn’t free. At least show you tried and send in a blank balllit

Objection ,

I intend to vote for a third party.

I know that you think I’m throwing a childish fit. That’s because, fundamentally, you don’t consider Palestinians to be human beings, just as your kind didn’t see Iraqis or Afghans as human when they were being slaughtered. To you, this is just some random pet issue I’ve taken up to feel good about myself. But it’s not. I have nothing but hatred for Biden and people like him, and I have incredibly good reason for that. “Genocide” isn’t just a word, it’s not something to be casually brushed aside. It must be opposed, everything else be damned. If you genuinely attempted to see the world from their perspective, you would understand.

Someday the democrats will decide that us trans people are too much of a liability and throw us under the bus too, and you’ll rationalize it by placing us in the exact same subhuman category you use whenever they murder a million people in the Middle East. Call me childish all you want, you’re just telling on yourself about how seriously you take their deaths.

drunkpostdisaster ,

So the Ukrainians don’t count?

Objection ,

Oh, yeah, you know what, I’ve already made the decision to accept considerable risk to myself and the people I care about because of my absolute commitment to opposing genocide, but if you just bring up some other random issue, that’s totally gonna change my mind. Wtf I love Biden now.

In any case the best thing to happen for the Ukrainian people is that they stop being drafted and forced into a meat grinder to reclaim territory for a state that doesn’t care about them. But regardless, it doesn’t matter. I’m not going to support a genocide to stop anything! I don’t know how I can possibly make that position more clear to you.

Stop wasting your time with me and go waste your time trying to get your party to be less shit.

drunkpostdisaster ,

The best thing to happen to Ukrainians is for Russia to be stopped. You say you are against genocide but are unwilling to prevent the one that can be stopped.

If trump wins anything that happens to you you deserve because you brought it on yourself. It’s a pity you are willing to let it happen to everyone else

assassin_aragorn ,

I’m not going to support a genocide to stop anything!

Ironically, not even to stop a genocide. You’d rather two genocides happen than try to at least prevent one.

If the trolley is going to run over people regardless, and you have the option afterwards to prevent it from running over more people, the moral option is not abstaining.

Pro lifers who don’t believe in any exceptions believe abortions are genocide as well, and are willing to accept any and all consequence of total bans. There’s a similarity with your thinking, and it’s one you should seriously examine.

Your opinion is your own, as are your beliefs. Just be aware of their consequences and how others may perceive your morality.

Objection ,

Ironically, not even to stop a genocide.

Yes, that’s correct.

assassin_aragorn ,

What else wouldn’t you do to stop a genocide?

Objection ,

Mostly just I just wouldn’t do more genocide tbh.

drunkpostdisaster ,

Give me some examples of trans hate among democrats.

Objection ,

Fuck off. It’s not relevant and I don’t have to prove shit to you. The democrats support genocide, end of discussion.

drunkpostdisaster ,

That’s what I thought.

Objection ,

Some of us don’t like seeking out stressful news about the government coming after us just to answer a non sequitur from an asshole. Doesn’t mean it’s not out there.

drunkpostdisaster ,

Awww it’s stressful? Fuck you. You think I like reading about this shit? Because I don’t. You say you are willing to die? You won’t even vote.

Objection ,

Piss off, fascist.

drunkpostdisaster ,

OK, child

Objection ,
drunkpostdisaster ,

It’s true and you will be bringing it on others.

Objection ,
drunkpostdisaster ,

Okay, biden sucks. But its still better then what the republicans will do to you. Besides its not like the entire DNC is behind him on this.

Objection , (edited )

You: “Give me evidence of this”

Me: “Piss off that evidence is irrelevant”

You: “Ha, I knew you couldn’t provide evidence, this proves I’m right.”

Me: “Ok here’s evidence.”

You: “That evidence is irrelevant”

Good talk.

Btw you’re literally proving my exact point. The Dems have decided to sacrifice us and you’re fine with it and are justifying it using the exact same logic you use to justify supporting the genocide of Palestinians. You’ve proven that my position is the correct one.

Tryptaminev ,

And here we go again. Once someone from a marginalized group exposes the lack of backbone and the insincerity of you, you attack him personally and suggest him to be part of “the enemy”. It is funny in a sad way because this reads exactly like /r/conservative over on reddit, when people challenged the current Trump narrative.

Jentu ,

Or maybe if the average American stood with the marginalized instead of yelling at them to fall in line, we wouldn’t constantly have issues where the marginalized are systemically murdered and imprisoned. The blood isn’t on their hands for having morals and boundaries. It’s on the masses who refuse to give up even an ounce of comfort to lend a hand to the downtrodden. The path the democrats are on is the same path the current republicans have walked before.

Who are you willing to sacrifice for your own comfort? Why is that a valid position? Because the other guy points that same weapon at you instead and it’s scary? How many different groups are you willing to put on that sacrifice list until you just turn into a fascist republican? “Just following orders” is just as cowardly a response as “It was my only choice”.

drunkpostdisaster , (edited )

Comfort? You’re idiot won’t wake up and realize the world is not that simple. You are already accepting yhe genocide of Ukrainians and lbgtq people because your ego won’t accept that change only happens with work and time. You are no different than they are.

Jentu ,

Queer person here: we’ve had to violently fight for our rights and were successful in the past and we will do it again if we need to, so expecting a vote for anything will fix the issues of the marginalized is very out of touch. Doing nothing but voting is 99% political apathy, and it very much feels like all this browbeating is coming from someone who only votes and mayyyyybe donates to the ACLU or planned parenthood once every couple years. Do some real work and stop spending so much of your mental energy on inconsequential (assuming you don’t live in a handful of swing states) things. Build coalitions. Form or join unions. Stand up for what is right and protest what is wrong.

drunkpostdisaster ,

Tell that to the person I am talking to. I am not saying voting is all that matters. But it does matter and in 2024 we only have two options unless you want to throw away your vote on a third party that has zero chance winning.

Jentu ,

So you know what state that person resides? You’ve confirmed they live in a swing state where their vote for president actually matters? (This is not me advocating against voting since local/state positions are important, but if you’re focused on president, only a handful of states really make a difference at all).

drunkpostdisaster ,

I am talking about all elections. My state is voting Trump with out a doubt, but it wont stop me from voting. And who knows? Maybe another epidemic will hit that republicans will ignore and my state might end up blue?

Jentu ,

My state is ruby red and even the fairly large city I live in is red. Begging people to vote specifically for biden in situations like ours only makes people more apathetic since they know Biden has no shot. But if you tell people how to be more politically involved outside of voting, they’ll be more empowered to want to vote just so they can get people more aligned with them in their local and state elections. It’s the state government in red states like ours that will enact awful policies that we will actually feel. Pushing an unpopular president as the main reason to show up to the booth will only make them stay home instead.

Tangential: Covid is still killing a ton of people every month (though it gets better in warmer weather). This past January had over 10k covid deaths that were largely ignored by Biden and pretty much everyone else who are desperate to show how “good” things are now. But also, I’d caution against being hopeful for another pandemic that would wipe out conservatives since it’s tiptoeing on fascism, which you’re trying to be distinctly different to, eh? If a huge portion of Americans are fascist, America will be a fascist nation. I’ve heard conservatives wish that CA would sink into the ocean and that NYC would get swept away from a hurricane and I hope to god we haven’t ratcheted so far that now democrats are wishing and hoping for the deaths of their political enemy.

drunkpostdisaster ,

I didn’t say I want another epidemic to happen. I am pointing out there is still a slim chance we can win. Maybe they will be so sure of victory a bunch will stay home. Maybe one of the candidates will die.

It’s a good habit anyway

Jentu ,

If your chance of winning hinges on your opponent suddenly not being there anymore, that conclusion is kind of anti-democratic in nature. If (for example) someone says “Things will eventually start getting better once all the boomers are gone”, they’ve already decided who their enemy is and that there’s no use trying to have discussions with them about how to fix things. The world around them slowly becomes less about different people with different ideas and it metastasizes into a country where half of their neighbors want them dead and because of that, they’d see half their neighbors dead as well. This doesn’t go away if trump is defeated in November. Civil war will be right around the corner until people start talking to each other again. The militarism of both parties and the fascism of republicans will, over time, be seen as a less necessary weapon against “the enemy” and divisive politics will ease up. That being said, don’t waste your breath on literal armed Nazis/white supremacist groups. They’re an artifact of the fears and stresses of this current system and have decided the best course of action is the most harmful. They will be less of an issue once society at large isn’t gasping for air and don’t have to blame their woes on one particular group.

My point is, we don’t solve the issue of rising fascism within our borders by waiting it out and hoping it all blows away with time, only coming out from your shelter one day out of the whole year to do political action. Embrace democracy if you believe in it and talk to people who disagree with you(preferably in-person) about why you think the things you think and why it should be changed. Show up to town halls, get to know your local government, join local activism groups. If you want things to change for the better, you can’t just keep doing the same thing that got us into this mess.

TokenBoomer ,

I respect this decision. But, I’m selfishly voting for Biden. Trump’s first term stressed me out.

Objection ,

Tbh I’m fine with respectful disagreement.

TokenBoomer ,

Thoughtful, educated and informed voting decisions should be respected. Shame on this duopoly for forcing its electorate to choose between tacit support for a genocide, and outright fascism.

Objection ,

Thank you. I have to vote according to my conscience and what I believe is right, but if someone else’s conscience tells them differently, I can make my case but ultimately it is their decision to make. So many people on here expect everyone to think and see things the exact same way as them and can’t even seem to imagine someone having different values or a different perspective, and that can be very frustrating.

assassin_aragorn ,

Trans people are not a monolith. There’s other trans people in this thread begging us to vote for Biden for their safety. Your feelings about being a rhetorical token are not invalid, but recognize that other people in your vulnerable group are legitimately crying out for help.

Either way, I’m glad I’m not one of your loved ones. Your own safety is one thing. Their safety is another.

Objection ,

They’re entitled to their views, as I am to mine.

I will do whatever I can to protect my loved ones and ensure they retain access to their meds. But I cannot go against the dictates of my conscience. And as I said, in the long term, solidarity between marginalized groups is the only viable path forward and I will not sacrifice that long term strategy for some fleeting, half-hearted protection. In fact I’ve already seen people applying the “lesser evil” argument to sacrificing trans rights since I posted this. Only by uniting and drawing a red line do we have a chance in the long run.

Diplomjodler3 ,

That’s such an important point. Anyone who thinks a win by Trump will somehow speed up the advent of socialism is just deluded.

HawlSera ,

People think Trump will eventually make things so bad that the average man will salivate at the chance for Socialist rule…

What will actually happen if you get a nasty concoction made from a pinch of Handmaid’s Tale with a dash of Holocaust 2…

And the average man won’t care, as long as the trains run on time and they owned the libs… and if the trains don’t run on time, they probably have libs to blame.

daltotron ,

trains run on time

I am here to regretfully inform you about the state of american rail infrastructure…

HawlSera ,

I know, I sadly know.

HawlSera ,

Right? Imagine it’s a fucking Saw Trap, and there’s an easy way out without sacrificing anyone… and an equally easy way out sacrificing everyone. Make the less sociopathic choice.

Tryptaminev ,

Biden is literally arming a genocide. He was even adamant about his continued support for that. Meanwhile Dems led cities have brutally beaten up peaceful colelge protests and invited fascist MAGA mobs to attack minority students there.

The DNC and Biden do not protect minorities. They are white supremacists with just a bit more moderation to the means they employ, but they will absolutely resort to authoritarian crackdowns if they feel the minorities to step out of line by demanding justice and rights.

NegativeInf ,

And I’d vote for a corpse before I vote for 34 time Convicted Felon Donald Trump. Eat the rich. Pack the courts. Seize the assets of felonious companies.

Invertedouroboros ,

Mother fucker could be Dracula for all I care. Still voting for him.

Paddzr ,

Dracula is cool as fuck tho.

capital ,

My favorite theme so yeah, def voting for that.

HawlSera ,

youtu.be/1Onr4z2fdDM - Dracula’s pretty based, ngl.

Invertedouroboros ,

I’m gonna be honest, I was thinking of Dracula flow when I posted this.

uis ,

There is russian meme “voting for stool just to vote against UR”.

glitchdx ,

You sound like a rational tankie, which by the definitions that lemmies have explained to me, would make you not a tankie.

Warl0k3 ,

“Anyone who thinks themselves a tankie is too self aware to be one” sounds like one of those fallacies you’d learn about in highschool. (What is a tankie, btw? I’ve been too scared to ask…)*

glitchdx ,

I am by no means an expert, but the test that was explained to me is that if you look at the famous tianamen square picture of the guy holding grocery bags facing down a line of tanks, and then proceed to side with the line of tanks, then you’re a tankie.

When I say that I am not an expert, what I actually mean is that I’m a random idiot from the internet, so don’t take anything I say as gospel truth.

I’ve only been on lemmy for a few months, and I’ve never heard the term tankie on any other platform. My understanding is that a tankie is a militant supporter of communism, who completely disregards (or is in support of) how every time it’s ever actually been done it turns into an authoritarian dictatorship (or something similarly unpleasant to live under).

My own biases exposed: I am an american, and most of what I know I learned in the absolutely fucked american public education system, which says communism = evil, because of the red scare a while back.

If you do some googling, there’s a wikipedia article on the subject. I’ve forgotten most of the content of that article shortly after I read it, I should look at it again and maybe it will stick this time.

Objection , (edited )

I’m a tankie. What tankie is supposed to mean is someone who blindly supports anything anyone does so long as they claim to be communist and wave a red flag. There’s maybe a handful of edgy teens who actually fit that description, but the way it’s actually used is to punch left at anyone who supports anything a socialist country has ever done, or who is insufficiently patriotic/nationalistic and is willing to consider things from an internationalist perspective.

If you say for example that Cuba under Castro had a successful literacy program, then there are people who will accuse you of being a tankie just for that. Because it gets used this way, some people like myself chose to reclaim the insult and wear it proudly.

Generally, the actual term for most “tankies” would be Marxist-Leninist. But I actually prefer tankie because it’s a more general, big tent label. It’s used so broadly that even anarchists can be called tankies. It’s basically like “woke” where it doesn’t actually have any real meaning.

Corkyskog ,

Well I think there are probably a half dozen interpretations that people on Lemmy use. One I have heard repeated is that they view the Tiananmen Square event as something that China rightfully did… hence “Tankie”

Objection ,

The idea that that’s the origin of the term is a common misconception. The actual origin was about the USSR under Kruschev sending in the military in response to a rebellion in Hungary. Some British communists supported the move, while other communists opposed it and labeled the supporters as tankies.

But regardless of the origin, it’s changed to where now it’s liberals using it to criticize socialists in general.

uis ,

If you say for example that Cuba under Castro had a successful literacy program, then there are people who will accuse you of being a tankie just for that.

$COUNTRY had a successful literacy program under $LEFT_GOVERMENT.

https://lemm.ee/pictrs/image/5831096d-865c-4f2e-9bb5-23ebaf73175b.jpeg

agamemnonymous ,
@agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works avatar

A tankie is, broadly, someone who wants to effect left-wing ideology using authoritarian methods. It originally referred to those who defended the USSR using tanks to suppress the Hungarian Revolution, but it could be aptly used to describe those who defend China’s actions in Tiananmen Square. It’s rightfully used as a perjorative, since authoritarian enforcement is antithetical to leftism, particularly communism.

Tankies are hypocrites who didn’t understand their self-proclaimed ideologies. If someone’s idea of communist praxis is lining up dissenters for the firing squad, you’re dealing with a tankie.

go_go_gadget ,

wants to effect left-wing ideology using authoritarian methods

Odd. I’m getting called a tankie because I just won’t vote for Biden (or Trump). Someone must have gotten confused.

TokenBoomer ,

By their reasoning:

No vote for Biden is a vote for Trump. Trump is fascist and authoritarian. Tankies are authoritarians. Therefore, you are a tankie. /s

agamemnonymous ,
@agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works avatar

Lots of people say lots of silly things, nonetheless Trump is worse for the proletariat than Biden, and turning your nose up at the lesser evil endangers real people when the greater evil wins. You don’t have to vote for the greater evil to help tip the scales in their favor. Accelerationism is authoritarianism with extra steps and no one in the driver’s seat.

go_go_gadget ,

Biden doesn’t accept blame for tipping the scales in their favor. Biden’s family doesn’t accept blame for tipping the scales in their favor. Biden’s campaign doesn’t accept blame for tipping the scales in their favor. The DNC leadership doesn’t accept blame for tipping the scales in their favor. People who voted for Biden in the 2020 primaries don’t accept blame for tipping the scale in their favor. Moderaters and political analysts don’t accept blame for tipping the scales in their favor. People like you letting those people get away with that and focusing on telling me to be quiet and vote for Biden don’t accept blame for tipping the scales in their favor.

I don’t accept blame for it either.

agamemnonymous ,
@agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works avatar

IDGAF who does or doesn’t accept blame for whatever. I care about material results; my future, my family’s future, my neighbors’ futures, the future of the people who live in this country, and this world. IDGAF how ideologically pure a politician is, or who’s wrong or right, or who gets away with whatever. I care about the people who are going to suffer if the Federalists, Fascists, and Fundamentalists keep establishing their foothold judge by judge, bill by bill, ruling by ruling.

This isn’t grade school, this isn’t a game, this isn’t about fair. There are real stakes here. People will die. I’m not heartless enough to play the blame game with lives on the line. I’m voting harm reduction because I’m an adult and I play the hand I’m dealt. Righteously losing doesn’t help anything but ego-centric deontology.

go_go_gadget ,

I care about material results; my future, my family’s future, my neighbors’ futures, the future of the people who live in this country, and this world.

Same bud. And Biden was never the guy who was going to do that for me. Where were you during the 2020 primaries? Where have you been ever since?

agamemnonymous ,
@agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works avatar

He’s actually been surprisingly effective. Your distaste doesn’t negate his numerous policy accomplishments with tangible benefits.

Even disregarding that, even if he was ineffective, he’s not trying to concentrate power into the hands of Federalists, Fascists, and Fundamentalists, so he is by default the superior choice to those who are. The material results that I care about, that reasonable adults care about, revolve around stopping the Federalists, Fascists, and Fundamentalists. Or are you on their side?

go_go_gadget ,

He’s actually been surprisingly effective

If you like him then you get him re-elected. I won’t be voting for him a second time.

agamemnonymous ,
@agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works avatar

The material results that I care about, that reasonable adults care about, revolve around stopping the Federalists, Fascists, and Fundamentalists. Or are you on their side?

So the answer to that question is “Yes”. Got it. I’m not surprised.

ssj2marx ,

Tankies are hypocrites who didn’t understand their self-proclaimed ideologies.

Tankies are very frequently the only people in the room who’ve done the reading. If you believe that so called “authoritarian methods” are antithetical to leftism, then I recommend you read the following pamphlet by Engels.

TopRamenBinLaden , (edited )

Tankies have read Marx and Engels, yes, but there are many other forms of leftism and even other forms of communism that aren’t ML. You are right about ML communists, in particular, but many other leftist movements are anti-authoritarian by their nature, so the point still stands.

Also, it’s possible to do the reading and disagree with the methods of implementation. I agree with the economics and the stated goals of communism, but I don’t believe authoritarianism is the best way to go about it.

ssj2marx ,

but I don’t believe authoritarianism is the best way to go about it.

Humor me for a moment, which of the following do you consider authoritarian?

  • asking your boss for better wages
  • using the power of a union to force your boss to give your coworkers better wages
  • using the power of the state to force all bosses to pay all workers better wages
TopRamenBinLaden ,

I hop off the train at the part where the top-down dictatorship comes into play. Probably a bit before the level of authoritarianism where the Joseph Stalin type starts killing people for having a dissenting opinion, and what not.

Using the state to enforce good wages and end the terribleness of the stock market/landlord culture does not need to involve a top down dictatorship and a lack of democracy.

I know about the “dictatorship of the proletariat” and all that, and in my opinion, it should involve all of the workers, not one person or a small group of people. A top down dictatorship just makes it all that easier for the party to be infiltrated and controlled by bourgeois interests. If said dictatorship is a true democracy, with each worker having an equal say, it makes it pretty hard to control the proles.

ssj2marx ,

So you wouldn’t accept any system that’s not a direct democracy? Where every single person is involved in every single vote? It’s a coherent position I suppose, but IMO totally impractical and idealistic.

Gigasser ,

I don’t think it’s realistic or pragmatic to expect a perfect direct democracy system. Trying to get as close to one as feasibly possible can be a goal though, and once we’re at that point, try to continually and slowly improve that direct democracy system until it’s even closer and closer and closer, ad infinitum.

Belastend ,

You completely disregard, that the soviet union did number 3 and crushed all unions not falling in line. Or that they ignore the will of the proletariat during the 1917 and 1918 elections numerous times.

The authoritarian way isnt being critized for coming down on Capitalists. Its critized for how it treated every deviation from the party line. And especially, how it turned into a political chess game at the top, which prioritized amassing personal power and wealth over the actual well being of the state.

ssj2marx ,

If by “not falling in line” you mean “actively sabotaging the working class for selfish reasons” then I suppose you have a point, but I would argue that in class war those organizations which do not support the working class are fair targets.

the will of the proletariat during the 1917 and 1918 elections

By the time the Bolsheviks were disregarding the results of elections, the People’s Soviets were the state power in the former Russian Empire, and they were a hundred times more democratic than the Duma ever was.

amassing personal power and wealth

I’m sorry comrade but the Soviets simply never did this. The benefits enjoyed by even top Party officials paled in comparison to the lavish lifestyles of the former Russian Empire’s aristocracy or those of the ruling class of any of their contemporary capitalist rivals - even fucking Stalin lived in a shared apartment!

Objectively speaking the Soviet Union was one of the most democratic and equal societies on this Earth during the time of its existence, and you can very clearly see in the data how their system equalized wealth (not “perfectly”, just “better than everyone else has ever done it”), and how the destruction of their system undid all of their progress.

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/a34af01f-e086-468d-b5ff-1570f69c8153.jpeg

Belastend ,

By your metric Stalin should have been shot for undermining soviet defensive capabilities by purging almost every capable military leader? What did Tukhachevsky, Bukharin, Blyukher or Yegorov do to get executed? What were their sabotages? Their names got dropped by tortured officers and in turn they got shot. Setting the red army back years in experience.

And lets not forget the ethnic targetting: Between 1936 and 1938 nearly all ethnic Baltic People were cleansed put of the upper echelon.

ssj2marx ,

I never said mistakes weren’t made. Class war is war and war has collateral damage. The problem here is the total idealistic rejection of “authoritarianism”, where every single thing that has ever worked is classed as such and therefore made off-limits.

Belastend ,

“war has collateral damage” mate, Stalins Purges killed 700.000 at least and cost many more people their lives during WW2. Hitler ciuld have been stopped much earloer if Stalin hadnt replaced almost every capable commander with some yes man.

And their purges werent even class war. It was war to uphold the power of a small clique and to satisfy their paranoia.

Just like any other imperialism, the USSR worked out for the imperial core, while the periferal states were fucked over.

I dont want to fucking replace the boot with another one. I want the boot gone.

ssj2marx ,

And yet the Soviet economy uplifted hundreds of millions from poverty and built the war machine that was critical in stopping the Nazis. People went from working on tenant farms to living in modern cities with all of the amenities of the time in a single generation, and the first man in space was the son of a farmer! The achievements of the Soviet Union - yes, even the Soviet Union under Stalin - far outstrip its failures and mistakes. I’m partial to Mao’s overall critique of Stalin, that he was 70% good and 30% bad (which also applies to Mao as it turns out), and I feel that Mark Twain’s quote about the French Revolution equally applies to the Russian one.

THERE were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves.

one last thing

I dont want to fucking replace the boot with another one. I want the boot gone.

Me too, brother. But the bourgeoisie aren’t going to lift the boot from anyone’s neck willingly, and we have to be willing to stomp on their neck when we have the chance, otherwise a world without class is and will remain completely impossible.

Belastend ,

Once again, i am willing to resort tp violence. but not for party elites. I am still getting the impression that you deem the great Terror to have been necessary. It wasnt. It didnt stomp out the “bourgeoisie”. It murdered old comrades fpr not bowing deep enough. It was the establishment of a cult of personality, in which noone was to critize the dear Leader. Which is eerily similar to Maos switch from “Please critize me and the party, for this is the only way of improving” to “Everyone who ever wrote something bad about the Party, the State or me is a despicable wrecker and needs to be dispatched” within one year.

I believe, that Millions of Non-Russian and Non-Georgians within the Sovietunion would have lived a better life, if the despotism within the Soviet Power Clique had been curbed. Stalins “30%” bad is more than just the Great Terror. Its the deportations and the ethnic cleansing of the new ruling class.

The Fall of the Soviet Union was a tragedy to the imperial russian core and its subsequent plundering remains one of the greatest failures of the 20th century, i grant you that.

ssj2marx ,

you deem the great Terror to have been necessary

Repression of the previous ruling class was absolutely necessary, the fact that it went overboard and also targeted comrades is the mistake. If it were possible to have a revolution that made absolutely no mistakes I would sign onto it no question, but I believe that such a thing is idealistic nonsense - and that forswearing all repression of the previous ruling class in order to not accidentally target comrades is far worse, because it takes an essential tool out of the revolutionary’s belt and replaces it with nothing.

Belastend ,

Previous Ruling class? The Great Terror almost exclusively killed old comrades. Once again, the 1936 purges did not target the bourgeosie.

agamemnonymous ,
@agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works avatar

There’s a difference between someone-needs-to-coordinate-and-manage-complex-undertakings “authoritarian” and line-the-dissidents-up-against-the-wall “authoritarian”. Tankies are the latter.

ssj2marx ,

We have class war waged against us by the bourgeoisie, and thousands of people are casualties of that war every single day. Expecting to turn the tide against them without getting our hands dirty in turn is useless idealism.

agamemnonymous ,
@agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works avatar

Uh huh, and historically violent authoritarian transitional regimes are always so willing to step aside after the transition.

Belastend ,

Getting our hands dirty means shooting comrades who carried the revolutionary wars for being a bit yucky.

ZombiFrancis ,

Militant leftist, in the most basic sense.

But anti-leftists tend to co-opt the term to replace ‘fascist’ or ‘nazi’ in their discourse.

awwwyissss ,

People that are happy to run people over in tanks to force their communist version of society on everyone else.

HawlSera ,

Oh my god! A tankie who’s not fucking stupid. I never thought I’d see the day.

TokenBoomer ,

This is the way.

avidamoeba , (edited )
@avidamoeba@lemmy.ca avatar

On one hand I’d like it if the Democrats put up someone more certain to beat Trump. On the other Joe has shown he supports labor and things are moving in the right direction in that regard. I’d hate it if he we get a corpo Democrat that halts this progress.

humorlessrepost , to memes in the debt

If you had 34 trillion in debt and a centuries-long history of making on-time payments, you’d have a perfect credit score.

disguy_ovahea , (edited )

Credit rating also depends on credit to debt ratio. You want to keep it below 35%, so you would need a credit line of $100T or more to have a great rating.

humorlessrepost , (edited )

I think sovereign debt would work like an AmEx Platimum with “no fixed limit”, which makes the algorithm ignore utilization.

jubilationtcornpone ,

“Bankers hate him! Get an 850 credit score and dictate the terms and interest rate of your own debt using this one simple trick.”

Artyom ,

The US govt basically has a perfect credit score. They have almost infinite payment history and almost infinite available credit.

damnedfurry ,

Yeah, this is just people not understanding how credit scores work, part , lol

volodya_ilich ,

Don’t forget being the only issuer of the currency you get indebted in. If I could get indebted in a currency I create myself, believe me I would

JasonDJ ,

Articles and posts like this really just exist for conservatives to shout that we need to stop federal spending and cut out “unimportant” things like Dept of Education, as described in Project 2025.

The problem is that debt is good. It enables us to pay for infrastructure projects and services. It doesn’t work like a household budget…not on the scale of international economies…because money “in the bank” is money that’s not in circulation.

When money is not in circulation, it’s not being used to pay for goods and services…it’s just…sitting there being hoarded.

You all complain about Musk hoarding a few hundred billions. Imagine if the debt were in the opposite direction and the government had $34T sitting in the bank doing nothing.

And anyone can buy Treasury debt. In fact, last year it was an AMAZING return on investment for anyone that bought into it and holds into the debt for a few years. One of the safest places anybody could put money to earn a return (behind a HYSA at FDIC insured banks).

volodya_ilich ,

Fully agreed, the whole “Debt bad! Deficit evil!” trope is just neoliberal propaganda against public expenditure, which translates into a weakening of the welfare state

Semi_Hemi_Demigod ,
@Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world avatar

When money is not in circulation, it’s not being used to pay for goods and services…it’s just…sitting there being hoarded.

This is why I think the velocity of money should be a key economic indicator. Money moving around and doing work is what makes an economy better for everyone. When it starts to pool in the economy it slows down and benefits only a few.

This is another thing I learned from “Making Money”

Szyler ,

What about staying at 0? Why is debt better than no debt AND no surplus?

InputZero ,

I’m not a financial expert, so someone who is please step in and correct anything that I say is wrong. I need to learn too.

It’s because the government’s debt is also a surplus. Government debt isn’t like personal debt because the government debt is mostly through selling bonds that the government issues. Most of that debt is owned by American citizens, in one way or another, who buy those bonds. Most of that $34 trillion is money the government owes it’s people, or at least the Americans who hold those bonds.

It’s not really money you owe but it’s money that is owed to you. Well actually the billionaire class who can actually afford to buy these bonds but hey, that’s Capitalism baby.

gravitas_deficiency , (edited )

Hey remember that one time where the country’s credit rating got downgraded due to political idiocy?

Pepperidge Farm remembers.

Semi_Hemi_Demigod , to programmer_humor in The IT experience?
@Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world avatar

When things go right: “WHAT ARE WE PAYING YOU FOR?!?”

When things go wrong: “WHAT ARE WE PAYING YOU FOR?!?”

jballs ,
@jballs@sh.itjust.works avatar

The secret to a healthy career in IT is to let things break just a little every once in a while. Nothing so bad as to cause serious problems. But just enough to remind people that you exist and their world would come crumbling down without you.

Unforeseen ,

Especially if its a system that you have told management needs to be replaced but they aren’t interested in spending the money…

https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/bd249c7a-bee5-47e0-96b5-9cbcadce59e7.jpeg

whotookkarl ,
@whotookkarl@lemmy.world avatar

Where I’m from we call that Laissez-faire IT

Kalkaline ,
@Kalkaline@leminal.space avatar

Acting like the user won’t just break things for you, welcome to IT, you must be new.

Anticorp ,

I get really fucking tired of justifying work. Like, I have delivered every single project I’ve ever been given ahead of schedule. But every time a new project comes up, higher level managers want all these update meetings to check up on the status, discuss risk factors that might prevent it from being delivered, and a bunch of other bullshit. You’re the risk factor, motherfucker, you and your meetings. Get the fuck out of my way and I’ll deliver it ahead of schedule just like literally every other project I’ve ever been in charge of. Quit feeling that you need to be involved! You don’t. You’re a road block that provides no value. Ugh!

jkrtn ,

Big mood. It is fucking exhausting explaining basic tech concepts to stakeholders over and over.

HappycamperNZ ,

If you’re ignoring all the risk factors, got no contingency plans or measurements against projected time and budget you have delivered everything on time and budget by luck.

If you already have those, those meetings should absolutely be a 30 min weekend meeting to check on status and what else you may need to keep delivering.

Anticorp ,

I know they should be 30 minutes per week. But they’re not, and that’s the frustration. A weekend meeting though? I have a feeling that we may perceive work-life balance differently.

HappycamperNZ ,

Sorry, that was weekly. Weekend can fuck off if you’re on schedule.

SkyezOpen ,

And also install Adobe reader.

superduperenigma , to lemmyshitpost in You Are
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA ,
@HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world avatar

My retirement!

eager_eagle ,
@eager_eagle@lemmy.world avatar

SELL SELL SELL

superduperenigma ,

Superstonk: Here’s why this is good for $GME

ImplyingImplications , to internetfuneral in Go No Further

FACT: 90% of divers give up just before finding something really neat in an underwater cave

funkless_eck ,

those that find it don’t come back because it’s just so neat

EdibleFriend ,
@EdibleFriend@lemmy.world avatar

Then there’s another 1% that aren’t even part of the original statistic because they’re spawned by the pure awesomeness of what’s inside that cave.

Igloojoe ,

Ooo a cool rock! Worth it!! dies

samus12345 ,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

Ooo the remains of a diver that found a cool rock! dies

Kepabar ,

Aside from some fish which evolved with no eyes (which is kind of cool), the only other thing you are likely to find down there is a dead body that everyone decided was too dangerous to recover.

derpgon ,

FACT: 99% of gamblers quit just one spin away from a jackpot!

intensely_human , to memes in Choose your vehicle

Welcome to America, where everyone hates everyone

littletoolshed ,

Your point being proven in these comments already and it hasn’t even been 30m

someguy3 ,

How could you say that? I hate you for it. (/s)

TheBat ,
@TheBat@lemmy.world avatar

USA is world’s biggest PvPvPvP… MMO

Alexstarfire ,

You mean PvE.

Tar_alcaran ,

Oof, but also yes

StalksEveryone ,
@StalksEveryone@futurology.today avatar

so many player haters 😔

MonkderZweite ,

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  • GissaMittJobb ,

    People vs EVERYONE

    merde , to pics in Trump's mug shot

    how long did he study this expression in front of the mirror, i wonder

    Dressedlikeapenguin ,

    He should of worked on it more, it’s no Blue Steel

    HonkTonkWoman ,

    Orange Smudge

    SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

    Oh he’s got an inch and a half of blue steel going on.

    Dressedlikeapenguin ,

    Eww 🤢

    elbarto777 ,

    Should have*

    Dressedlikeapenguin ,

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/6a71f5a4-03c0-4cbb-83c2-493c6052da66.jpeg. You’re right. Reminded me of this. No malious, just laughs

    Fuck_u_spez_ ,

    malice*

    Dressedlikeapenguin ,

    I know when I’m beet. In my defense, English is my first language.

    watson387 ,
    @watson387@sopuli.xyz avatar

    He somehow managed to make himself look even more like a dipshit than usual.

    jtk ,
    @jtk@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    To catch the dipshits, you have to think like a dipshit. This is exactly what every one of his voters would look like in a mug shot. Even the ones that have never been booked are voluntarily showing that to the world today.

    watson387 ,
    @watson387@sopuli.xyz avatar

    Yeah it’d be unbelievable as a story. Sometimes truth is definitely stranger than fiction.

    HonkTonkWoman ,

    “I’m not gonna poop I’m not gonna poop I’m not gonnapoop I’m notgonnapoop I’mnotgonnapooooooop….”

    peopleproblems ,

    See I’m getting more of a “why the fuck can’t I poop” vibe from it. Anger and rage and pain

    Mr_P01135809 ,

    I call this one, Red Rain

    ripcord ,
    @ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

    Red Rain

    asteriskeverything ,

    It’s 100% a toddler version of angry face. I’ve seen it many times but only from toddlers or as a joke.

    coco ,

    Merde oui

    La meilleure pic de 2023.

    Better than putin on time magazine

    anewbeginning ,

    Study?! Has he ever?

    SubArcticTundra , (edited )
    @SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml avatar
    merde ,

    these look like he has difficulty seeing: now where is the camera

    clutch ,

    He must have based it off that Goebbels picture when he realized the photographer was Jewish

    ghostBones ,

    If you really think about it, he has never looked away from the image of himself in the mirror.

    merde ,

    indeed

    thanks for the reminder

    Swedneck , to mildlyinfuriating in How is woke a religion?
    @Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    reminder that every time people complain about wokeness they’re literally just complaining about being conscious about systemic racism, because that’s what woke means.

    Just replace “woke” with “being a decent person” and it becomes pretty clear what these people want.

    IchNichtenLichten ,
    @IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world avatar

    “Woke” started out as a simple acknowledgment that a person is conscious of the systemic oppression of various groups. Now the right wing has got its claws into the term it’s been effectively neutered. Now all it means is, “stuff that right wingers don’t like”

    It’s like “defund the police” which quickly became “abolish all policing”.

    It’s a useful strategy for them and it works to prevent honest discussion on how to solve societal problems by preventing people from having a shared understanding of the language needed for such discussion.

    AlternatePersonMan ,

    Ugh, “defund the police” is a terrible phrase if you actually want the movement to succeed. I wish they would have gone with something along the lines of “police reform”. Immediately every conservative glommed onto “now they want to abolish all police!”

    We do need a massive overhaul to police. Unfortunately that means better marketing of the idea of it’s going to happen.

    IchNichtenLichten ,
    @IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world avatar

    I could be wrong but “defund the police” was just a discussion point for activists talking amongst themselves. In that context it makes sense. What happened was that this inelegant phrase was seized as a weapon by the right and then every Dem politician had to answer if they supported the idea of abolishing the police.

    I’d imagine that many people would be receptive to the idea of taking some money out of police budgets so social workers and people trained in deescalation can be hired. For example cops aren’t a good fit when dealing with people facing mental health crises because they mostly turn to use of force and make a bad situation worse.

    If you twist this into, “are you in favor of abolishing all police?” then most people are going to say, “hell no, what a stupid idea, you moron”.

    Now any discussion about the rotten state of policing in the US had been effectively hobbled. Discussion is shut down. The right wing wins.

    AlternatePersonMan ,

    That makes more sense.

    I know the real idea behind it. I just never liked it being summarized as defund. It’s more like restructure. Personally, I would be much more aggressive with an overall. It’s rotten top to bottom.

    fushuan ,

    What happened was that this inelegant phrase was seized as a weapon by the right

    I vividly remember tons of memes and posts on reddit, done in leftist grups by leftist people stating the sentence “defund the police”. The right did manipulate the meaning, but saying that they were the sole perpetrators of the popularity of the phrase is silly.

    IchNichtenLichten ,
    @IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world avatar

    How many in number, would you say? 100? 200?

    fushuan ,

    In number? idk, about 1-3 a day that was on the top of r/all with tons of comments, iirc it was when the Floyd protest were happening, alongside the BLM movement (not the organization). I don’t remember it too well, it’s been 3 years already, but I do remember that it was a whole thing with posts, comments, memes and so on.

    HughJanus ,

    this inelegant phrase was seized as a weapon by the right

    Were “the right” the ones at protests holding up hundreds of signs that said “defund the police”?

    DarkGamer ,
    @DarkGamer@kbin.social avatar

    Unfortunately police reform doesn't necessarily imply taking police funds and diverting them to nonviolent responders instead. It's hard to make that into a catchy phrase that can't be misinterpreted. I could see cities implementing some rubber-stamp oversight board filled with ex-cops and saying, "see, we reformed the police! They have oversight now."

    markr ,

    just about every police reform has failed to provide any independent oversight, failed to address the core problems, and generally just poured more money into the already bloated and militarized police force.

    dragonflyteaparty ,

    I like “unburden the police”. Take away things that aren’t actual policing. Cops don’t need to be out there doing animal control for example.

    PickTheStick ,

    For better or worse, that aspect is never going away. Places with less funds, like rural counties and cities, rely on their police to do everything that gets called in to 911 and isn’t fire/ems/construction (which, thankfully, they have dedicated teams/people for).

    dragonflyteaparty ,

    I see that, but it doesn’t mean that bigger cities couldn’t have different departments handle it

    HughJanus ,

    Ugh, “defund the police” is a terrible phrase if you actually want the movement to succeed.

    I feel like these are probably astroturfed movements. Because you can say the same thing about the “antiwork” movement, whose proponents claim to actually want to work.

    The designation of your movement is kind of important.

    teft ,
    @teft@startrek.website avatar

    Same happened to the terms “political correctness” and “social justice”. The meaning gets twisted into something grotesque by think tanks and then it’s shipped out to talking heads so Billy-Bob can regurgitate it at the water cooler.

    IchNichtenLichten ,
    @IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world avatar

    Critical Race Theory, school libraries full of porn, caravans of migrants heading to the southern border, activist judges legislating from the bench, and so on.

    Maeve ,

    Except activist judges legislating from the bench is real, and they seem to be the worst possible humans doing so. “Seem” being key.

    snooggums ,
    @snooggums@kbin.social avatar

    You see, when justices make ruling based on personal rights of people conservatives hate then they are activists.

    When they allow conservatives to stomp all over the rights of minorities then they are just using 'common sense' or something.

    Maeve ,

    You’re not wrong and that’s sad.

    Uranium3006 ,
    @Uranium3006@kbin.social avatar

    "It’s like “defund the police” which quickly became “abolish all policing”."

    It's actually the other way around. The radical demand got watered down but it didn't slow the fearmongeringbl even a little bit

    IchNichtenLichten ,
    @IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world avatar

    Maybe? I don’t have a definite timeline and there were lots of groups talking to each other.

    LazaroFilm ,
    @LazaroFilm@lemmy.world avatar

    I still have a hard time how “woke” is bad. Woke means your not asleep, it means you are not guided by others. How can people turn this into a bad thing. I’m proud to be woke.

    IchNichtenLichten ,
    @IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world avatar

    Woke means that if you’re in a privileged position in a society, more equality is a threat to your status and should be suppressed.

    LazaroFilm ,
    @LazaroFilm@lemmy.world avatar

    That’s the Bs meaning they’re giving. It’s like the way they change the definition of patriotism to match nationalism.

    III ,

    This is 100% correct. The term has no definition in their world, it is just another form of their “boogeyman” control methods to keep the stupid and scared engaged. It only works on these fearful idiots because of this fact.

    Neato ,
    @Neato@kbin.social avatar

    acknowledgment that a person is conscious of the systemic oppression of various groups.

    “stuff that right wingers don’t like”

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    But yes. The right has polluted yet another word and tried to turn it into a pejorative.

    doleo ,

    I honestly can’t believe that using this word unironically has caught on. Everything I think is just a stupid joke on the internet turns out to be the internet reflecting just how idiotic humanity really is.

    Either that, or just an unpleasant shock at just how ‘mask-off’ some people have become.

    Maeve ,

    I’m going with the “mask off” probability.

    Turkey_Titty_city ,

    Lots of 'woke' people are shitty people. I've had way too many experiences in the past few years with 'woke' people screaming at me about how I need to read more women authors or I'm a shitty awful human being. Or other equally absurd things, like I'm a bigot if I don't ask you what your pronoun is. If you have a pronoun preference, how about you tell me? Just like you tell someone how to pronounce your name if it's non-standard.

    I know lots of progressive people, and I am progressive. But I would never say I am 'woke'. People who self-identify 'woke' tend to be mentally ill crazy people in my encounters, and use their politics as an excuse for abusive and hostile behavior just the way right-wing nazi nutbags do.

    Hell I even had a transwoman assault me verbally one day while I was just reading a book in a cafe. Comes up to me and demands that I give her my table because I'm a white cis guy and I should give up my 'privileged' to her. I told her to f off. My small business has been harassed by 'woke' activists who demand we give them money or they will say we are anti-black/lgbt+, etc. That's not woke, that's blackmail.

    Most 'woke' people I meet are basically 20 sometime trust-fund types who need a cause to give her their miserable lives purpose, because god knows they can't get their shit together and do something positive with their lives. If they did maybe they'd stop being such awful abusive people who threaten and harass others.

    archiotterpup ,

    Most of those people are the types to virtue signal because they know they benefit from an unjust system but won’t work to dismantle it.

    I’ve never known someone to identify as “woke”.

    IchNichtenLichten ,
    @IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world avatar

    Hell I even had a transwoman assault me verbally one day while I was just reading a book in a cafe. Comes up to me and demands that I give her my table because I’m a white cis guy and I should give up my ‘privileged’ to her.

    I’m betting this never happened.

    Daft_ish ,

    The other day a TrAnSGenDEr WoKe person came into my yard and kicked my dog. And I WOULD know. I’m a dog.

    neanderthal ,

    That’s not woke, that’s blackmail.

    That’s worse. That sort of shit turns ignorant and gullible people anti-LGBT and makes their already difficult lives even harder.

    who need a cause to give her their miserable lives purpose

    Tell them to fight global warming. It is the problem that makes all other problems all but irrelevant in comparison.

    scrubbles ,
    @scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech avatar

    Comes up to me and demands that I give her my table because I’m a white cis guy and I should give up my ‘privileged’ to her.

    I’ll take “Things that never happened” for 600, Alex

    SaltySalamander ,
    @SaltySalamander@kbin.social avatar

    Yea I don't believe any of this. =)

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    You do sound like a shitty awful human being if I’m to be honest.

    SuddenlyBlowGreen ,

    Hell I even had a transwoman assault me verbally one day while I was just reading a book in a cafe. Comes up to me and demands that I give her my table because I’m a white cis guy and I should give up my ‘privileged’ to her. I told her to f off. My small business has been harassed by ‘woke’ activists who demand we give them money or they will say we are anti-black/lgbt+, etc. That’s not woke, that’s blackmail.

    That transwoman? Albertina Einstein.

    CanadaPlus ,

    Hey! It’s “being a decent person in a way not sanctioned by their local culture”. If you’re decent to the correct people with enough pandering imagery that’s fine.

    Blamemeta ,

    Except woke people aren’t decent. Some woke people have good intentions, sure, but they aren’t decent. Being woke means being evil.

    Swedneck ,
    @Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    this is actually incoherent

    IchNichtenLichten ,
    @IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world avatar

    I have mixed feelings about Lemmy still being so small that I can recognize usernames and think, “oh, there’s that nut job again”

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    One of these days, I’ll pay attention to usernames. It didn’t happen on Reddit for over a decade, but you never know.

    Carighan ,
    @Carighan@lemmy.world avatar

    Well, do explain then.

    Jimbo ,
    @Jimbo@yiffit.net avatar

    Haha oh yeah I’ve seen your around. Fuck off.

    LazaroFilm ,
    @LazaroFilm@lemmy.world avatar

    Atheism is refusal of forced ideas upon someone. Which means one has to use critical thinking to determine their path in life. The problem is that it’s much harder to control the masses if that population thinks for themselves.

    Daft_ish ,

    Kinda like being against anti-fascists… aka fascists.

    AllonzeeLV , to aboringdystopia in Really, ….. it's my fault they built a terrible system?

    Imagine having this much hostility towards the future.

    It’s like the last of the boomers is sitting in some silo somewhere waiting to nuke the Earth on their way out the door and the rest of them know it.

    They not only don’t want to plant trees they’ll never get sit under, they want to burn the forest down out of spite because they don’t get to personally live forever to enjoy it.

    Fredselfish ,
    @Fredselfish@lemmy.world avatar

    I actually know a Lot of boomers who feel just that way. My dad is one he thinks its their right to destroy the environment because they can’t live forever.

    Then you have the christian nuts who want to destroy it so that jesus will return.

    But most boomers want take the money with them and leave nothing to future generations. Hell they do want to burn it all down and they destroy the American dream out of greed.

    The me generation that only want them to have it all.

    diskmaster23 ,

    Let’s have a purge city. Every year, let’s say like a Burning Man City. Every one can come together and we’ll nuke the city at the end of a week long party.

    LNSY ,

    Generation of vipers

    kshade ,
    @kshade@lemmy.world avatar

    The author of this article is not nearly old enough to be a boomer though. This is outrage bait.

    brax , to maliciouscompliance in Work from home

    Yup, my work pulled the same Bullshit. I can work from home and we all worked from home through COVID… But now suddenly I can’t

    So, there’s been a few times where the power’s gone out or something has happened that needs us at a remote location. They send the team home. The rest of the guys willingly go. I stay back and remind them that “gee, sorry. You guys have made it abundantly clear that I can’t work from home. All those times I had to take personal time… So yeah, no. I’ll just hang out here I guess until everything comes back up 🤷‍♂️”

    PunnyName ,

    Fuck yeah!

    sukhmel ,

    Makes me think that with the hybrid they expect to have the best of both worlds, while in fact it will likely be the opposite.

    Besides, with a mandatory fixed amount of days per quarter it gets soooo bullshit, it’s not hybrid it’s just barely glorified office work

    brax ,

    Especially when the “hybrid” model involves more days in office than at home.

    I guess execs don’t work when they’re at home and can’t handle not getting distracted, so they just assume the same for everyone.

    sukhmel ,

    Especially when the “hybrid” model involves more days in office than at home.

    Wdym “especially”, of course it does /s but not really

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