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Prunebutt ,

Is this loss?

I was explaining to my daughter about the differences between Gimp and Photoshop and saw that Adobe had a page that claimed to compare the two. It never compares the two. It barely mentions Gimp. (www.adobe.com)

I expected ridiculous propaganda from Adobe, but they give absolutely no reasons why Photoshop is better than Gimp and list a bunch of things that Gimp can do too....

Prunebutt ,

I once read that adobe also patents the simplest UX improvement, which means that gimp can’t implement good ideas that people are already used to.

Prunebutt ,

A bit from Europe:

Prunebutt ,

I once knew somebody who supposedly thought that ASM was high level.

Prunebutt ,

There’s an emacs-command to do that.

Prunebutt ,

Dang, I meant a neovim-Plugin

Prunebutt ,

FYI: you probably meant /j. /s is for sarcasm.

Prunebutt ,

On the old site™️, they once shared a video of how someone killed a whole nest of wasps with gasoline. I commented how that was unnecessary animal cruelty (even illegal in Germany) and got downvoted into oblivion.

Prunebutt ,

Do you use the AUR? That might make the difference.

Prunebutt ,

Hmm, I think I broke my X11 server with an update more than once.

Prunebutt ,

Thumbkey has it, too.

Prunebutt ,

Considering how much money they make with gambling, I think Valve is not as saint-like as people think it is.

People make Games has done two great videos on Valve

Prunebutt ,

Anything else than ad-hominem attacks and wishful thinking? Like actually engaging with the actual critique, tankie?

Prunebutt ,

Someone’s scared, I see.

What a great theorist Engels must have been, given that you must find ridiculous excuses in order to avoid engaging critically with his work. /s

Prunebutt ,

So, tell me: in what way is necessity, the laws of physics or self-defense the same thing as a monopolization of decision making power?

Prunebutt ,

Lol, where do you get all that straw from?

Prunebutt ,

He mostly explained how he actually didn’t really have a proper grasp of what authority actually means. He conflated them with a lot of things without actually making sense. I’m surprised why “On authority” is so widely known.

Prunebutt , (edited )

Sorry, but claiming that just shows that someone didn’t engage at all with anarchist theory.

Edit - addendum: even if this wasn’t true back then in Engel’s days: Still quoting him today ignores all that anarchist theory on power that happened since then.

Prunebutt ,

What kind of Marxism? Marx’s Marxism, or that body of theory by his followers that even Marx denounced, i.e. ML, MLM, etc.

Anarchist’s analysis of power has been spot-on ever since Bakunin predicted the bureaucratic dictatorship that Russia became under the Bolsheviki.

Prunebutt ,

While he didn’t specifically denounce Lenin or Mao, he himself exclaimed once, reacting to self-appointed Marxists: “All I know is that I’m not a marxist.” That’s what I was referencing.

Are you sure you read anarchist theory? Bakunin didn’t claim that states “had issues”. Here’s a quote, for example:

That is because no state, not even the most republican and democratic, not even the pseudo-popular state contemplated by Marx, in essence represents anything but government of the masses from above downward, by an educated and thereby privileged minority which supposedly understands the real interests of the people better than the people themselves.

The USSR was a state-capitalist state, where the bourgeoisy was replaced with bureaucrats - as predicted by Bakunin. If it were truly socialist, it wouldn’t have taken away power from the soviets and Lenin wouldn’t have abolished unions in favour of his high-modernist ideas.

Prunebutt ,

I’m not claiming he denounced his own ideas, but rather the people claiming to represent marxism. I’m not claiming that anyone worshipped Marx, but that they misunderstood his work.

No, sorry. Claiming that a state can work to not enslave the masses, just because “the right people” are in charge is the actual idealism.

Your claim about representation is wrong, too. Sorry. Anarchist regions have collapsed due to external military pressure. You should read a book on how well the material conditions improved in Catalonia. Sorry, your claims about anarghist regions failing to improve their material condition runs counter to reality and to the actual Marxist theory (that only the people can free themselves, etc.)

The whole planned economy was bogus. What do you think a class is?

Again, you claim that you know anything about anarchist theory and show time and time again that you don’t have the slightest of an idea.

Prunebutt ,

please explain […]

No. You’ve shown that you don’t argue in good faith, at least with the paragraph above that request. Good luck with your vanguard strategy.

Prunebutt ,

I do argue in good faith

Yes, all of the Marxists have failed to understand Marx, it is in fact Prunebutt who resurrected Marx and got him to denounce everyone who used his ideas.

sure you do /s

Prunebutt ,

Lol, not dipping into that cesspool.

Prunebutt ,

They misrepresented my point. Enough that I don’t care to continue.

Prunebutt ,

Ok, I’ve read it and I’m not impressed. The post on hexbear tries to act as if they were seriously considering the anarchist point of view, they are constantly being disingenuous.

The biggest point of critique againstEngels is that he is effectively strawmanning anti-authoritarians, by using a definition of authority that differs from the anarchist definition in a fundamental way. While the hexbear author acknowledges that fact in the beginning and seems to take the (IMHO flawed) definition of the anarchist’s critique at face value, he repeats the same mistake that Engels did and takes Engels’ definition as the only logical one.

Prunebutt ,

I didn’t claim Marx denounced dogmatism.

Prunebutt ,

You are allowed. You overshot and now I don’t want to engage anymore. If you want to discuss, adjust your tone, next time.

Prunebutt ,

Yes. /j

Prunebutt ,

Sorry, but you obviously have no idea of modern anarchist theory.

Prunebutt ,

Just cause you chose to ignore the well-founded critique, doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist.

Prunebutt ,

Wow, sick burn, homie. /s

Prunebutt ,

Libertarian socialists have come closer to achieving socialism than any state in the ML tradition.

Prunebutt ,

They aren’t engaging with the definition in a serious way. That is my point.

I follow a different definition, that’s more complete, IMHO: Authority is the monopolization of power from the hands of the many to the hands of the few. With that definition, which is compatible with the bulk of anarchist theory, “On authority” is nothing, but the incoherent ramblings of someone with too much personal beef.

The hexbear author not once seriously engages with any of the two viewpoints given in the anarchist rebuttal. They give this example of a robbery, where they try to reach a point with the anarchist’s definition and call it absurd. The only reason, they do so, is begause in the middle of their argument, they switch definitions back to Engels’ definition. If I change the preconditions in the middle of my logical chain, shit will get goofy. Duh.

You mean the definition of authority that the video you linked as a rebuttal is based on? Because that is the one that is being critiqued.

No. The video and the essay huse different definitions. You didn’t watch the -ideo, or didn’t listen to it, properly.

The argument is that the alternate definition that the anarchist proposes is incoherent.

The hexbear author fails to do so and doesn’t properly represent the anarchist’s essay’s point of view.

Engels created a straw-man. No anti-authoritarian thinks that necessity, or self-defense is authority. Therefore, they don’t argue against necessity, or self-defense.

Prunebutt ,

Have fun doing your idealist vanguard LARP. Thinking that the “right” people in the government will somehow lead to socialism.

Prunebutt ,

Xi will give the means of production back to the workers yany day now* I can feel it. /s

Prunebutt ,

Sorry, we might have a different definition of socialism going on here.

To me, socialism is when the workers ownsthe means of subsistence, not when the government does stuff.

Prunebutt ,

Will this be implemented before or after they allow non-state-run unions to exist?

Prunebutt ,

When yod definetly understand how power works.

Prunebutt ,

Do you understand the difference between necessary and sufficient conditions?

Prunebutt ,

You would be the first tankie to do so.

Prunebutt ,

Wow! Your mommy will be so proud of her little smartie revolutionary boy!

Prunebutt ,

Please research what libertarian socialism means.

Prunebutt ,
  1. The video used the same definition. I never claimed it was congruent with the essay on the anarchist library.
  2. Lol, no. Power was incredibly monopolized by the bolsheviki and their Komisars.

I read the anarchist rebuttal. It made clear that force and authority are different things. The robbery example would not be authority, but force, according to the anarchist essay. The hexbear author didn’t understand that, or misrepresented the anarchist.

It’s ok, if you didn’t get the video. How is steam a monopolization of power?

Do you know the difference between a free and an imperative mandate? If not, then you don’t understand the anarchist’s critique.

How would you know? You didn’t fucking read it, if you didn’t source the argument of “authority is created through unquestioning obedience”!

I did read both the anarchist’s rebuttal and the hexbear comment (as far as I could stomach). I don’t completely agree with the anarchist’s rebuttal, which is why I didn’t share it. The hexbear bloke didn’t genuinely take the anarchist’s proposal seriously, as I’ve explained several times now.

There are literally those who think self defense is authority but justifiable authority, did you read the “Problems with “On Authority””? No?

That’s not what the essay’s author claims. The essay’s author doesn’t view self-defense as “blind obedience”, hence they don’t think it is authority. Please stop misrepresenting stuff, it’s getting exhausting.

It’s no use arguing, if we both don’t accept each other’s definition of authority. You claim that the anarchist definition is incomplete, which you try to prove with Engels’ definition. I say that no anti-authoritarian uses the same definition as Engels and the cycle continues.

Just admit that you don’t want to consider anarchist perspectives. It would save you a lot of time.

Prunebutt ,

Great meme bro. Did Hakim pick that out for you?

Prunebutt ,

Sorry, not sorry. had to touch grass for a bit to get the foul taste of tankie opinion out of my mouth.

Maybe you should do so, too?

Prunebutt ,

Authcoms have failed to realize that anarchism is materialist at least since Stalin.

Prunebutt ,

Lol, that’s not ageism. I respect kids saying dumb stuff way more than you.

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