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notabot , to asklemmy in What is something that 2020s kids will never get to experience?

The internet in it’s heyday, when it was a genuinely thrilling place to find information, and quite a lot of weirdness, and before it was swamped by corporate interests.

I remember starting out with gopher and a paper print out of ‘The big dummies guide to the internet’ which was a directory of almost every gopher and ftp site (pre web) along with a description of what you’d find there. Then the web came along and things got really good for a while. Once big corporations got involved it all went down hill.

sirico ,
@sirico@feddit.uk avatar
runjun ,

Do you use this? I’ve been thinking that there has to an underground “internet” that mimics the old web. I was thinking that it would be BBS or something. I haven’t gone down any rabbit hole yet because lemmy has been scratching the itch alright.

sirico ,
@sirico@feddit.uk avatar

No I used Gemini for a bit which is a newer protocol trying to deliver that old school way of internet

runjun ,

Interesting, I’ll look into Gemini.

christophski ,

Any good links you can recommend?

sirico ,
@sirico@feddit.uk avatar
krash ,

If you like gopher, you’re gonna love Gemini: github.com/kr1sp1n/awesome-gemini

notabot ,

I’ve been keeping half an eye on it for a while, I should probably give it a go again.

teawrecks ,

I would limit it to the “web” in it’s heyday. The internet as a whole is more wild than ever. And there’s a chance that the fediverse could be just as thrilling in 10 years as the web was 20 years ago (and could be swamped by corporate interests).

I don’t think the internet is getting less thrilling and weird, if anything it’s downright scary at this point, it’s just really easy to enter a walled garden, never leave, and never find the interesting stuff.

itsnotits ,

in its* heyday

itsnotits ,

in its* heyday

schwim , to linux in Rant: My recent experience of trying to install windows for gaming and why I'm really thankful for Linux
@schwim@reddthat.com avatar

Never trust a rant from a person that can’t install Windows.

tabular ,
@tabular@lemmy.world avatar

Does installing XP count? I might tolerate that.

Can’t bring myself to install the latest few and select “no, do not spy on me” 7 thousand times. They will spy somehow as it’s proprietary - god knows what it’s actually doing.

TheAnonymouseJoker ,
@TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

Ever tried Ameliorated Project? You might be in for a surprise, if you wanted a usable, debloated and despywared Windows 10/11 on the side. Windows is useful, no matter if you use Linux as main.

Abnorc ,

Yeah I’m skeptical. Having installed windows on a machine that I put together about a year ago, it was pretty straightforward. Yeah I needed to install the drivers, but that didn’t take long. Maybe windows 11 is much more tortured than 10 though, which is what I installed.

Voytrekk ,
@Voytrekk@lemmy.world avatar

I think most people are just used to Window’s BS, so these issues are just expected and they know how to fix them.

Linux has an easier experience getting up and running, but when they have an issue, usually it’s something completely different from what they have experienced before and get frustrated.

This is why mainline OEMs shipping computers with Linux by default will be a huge step forward.

AeroLemming ,

I don’t understand (from a technical standpoint) why they can’t just ship a dual boot that only partitions any real space for an OS once you actually use it. Linux is what, 2-3GB on its own with a DE? You could use less than 1% of a modern computer’s storage to give users the option to activate and allocate space to an already-working Linux install whenever they feel like it, and if they really need those few gigs and don’t want Linux, they could just delete it.

systemglitch ,

Lol right? Windows is beyond simple these days.

Impound4017 , (edited ) to nostupidquestions in Do Sign Languages have puns?

Yes! My favorite example is the ASL sign for pasteurized milk, which is just the sign for milk, but moved ‘past your eyes’.

youtube.com/watch?v=KGprfOaUxsA

Edit: another comment reminded me that I should specify that this is American Sign Language.

slazer2au ,

That is amazing.

Adam Hills had a couple comedy specials where he has an interpreter and some of the jokes get 2 rounds of laughter as you see how it gets signed.

someguy3 OP , (edited )

The Oatmeal author: youtu.be/ZZ_BtZ-5O60&t=363

Good from start, but that’s the highlight.

ironhydroxide ,

This had me rolling!!! Thank you.

PrinceWith999Enemies ,

That was amazing! I can’t believe this is the first time I’ve seen this.

jballs ,
@jballs@sh.itjust.works avatar

Haha do you suppose he knows the audience is applauding the interpreter and not what he’s saying?

rufus ,

I mean she’s standing right next to him and it’s very obvious. I’d say it’s his dry humor that he deliberately doesn’t acknowledge what the audience is laughing about. He wouldn’t have said “you shouldn’t laugh about that” unless that’s the additional joke.

Siegfried ,

Ehm… I adjusted the volume to hear the joke. I know I’m normally an idiot, but I think I’d be needing some sleep.

Impound4017 ,

We’ve all been there

deegeese , to showerthoughts in I've noticed my boomer parents using instagram and tiktok. I can't tell you how excited I am for them to kill those platforms like they did facebook.

I skipped those, but I’m about to ruin whatever new platform my kids get in to.

Daft_ish OP ,

As is tradition.

Redredme ,

Your boomer parents? You’re 40 something?

Daft_ish OP ,

That would be my age.

Worx ,

An old person? On my Lemmy? Gasp

klemptor ,
@klemptor@startrek.website avatar

Wow, you can fuck right off!

  • now, where did I leave my reading glasses? *
Glytch ,

On lemmy? A platform made by those who miss the “good old days” when reddit was good? Full of old people? Impossible.

knacht1 ,
@knacht1@lemmy.world avatar

65 here sonny.

HaywardT ,

67 here kiddo

SmackemWittadic ,
@SmackemWittadic@lemmy.world avatar

How excited will you be when you reach the “nice” age?

HaywardT ,

I’m already nice.

SmackemWittadic ,
@SmackemWittadic@lemmy.world avatar

So you’re 69 in spirit! Nice!

LemmyKnowsBest ,

Seriously, people past the age of 30 should not be on the internet. They should be on the golf course or playing shuffleboard or rotting away on a retirement ocean cruiseline somewhere.

/s

dohpaz42 ,
@dohpaz42@lemmy.world avatar

As an elder 40-something, I agree with you. Problem is, the economy doesn’t. I’ll be working until I die. In the meantime, I need the memes to help keep me numb to all the shit going in around me. Please don’t take those away from me. It’s all I have anymore.

Cantankerousnuts ,

😭😭😭

bobs_monkey ,

I do enjoy a round of golf. And have you ever played shuffleboard? It’s quite fun, especially on a cruise.

Shit.

Viking_Hippie ,

A lot of us are, yeah. Even with young whippersnappers like yourself fizzing around on your electrified skateboards and what have you, I’m pretty sure the average age here on Lemmy is closer to 40 than 30 🤷

Baku ,

Sounds about right to me

kozy138 ,

I’m 30 and I literally have 2 electric skateboards lol

Kornblumenratte ,
Kornblumenratte ,
db2 ,

… was written on lemmy 😬

Caligvla ,
@Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Implying we aren’t mostly disgruntled boomers here.

dual_sport_dork ,
@dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

I’m pretty sure we’re mostly disgruntled Millennials and Gen-X’ers.

Anyhow, it looks like TikTok might finally be heading towards some sort of ban or regulation in the US, so maybe it’ll get killed by the Boomers but in a different way.

MiniiCSx ,

Some genZ here too :) moved from Reddit to Lemmy

Amaltheamannen ,

Dont forget gen Z tech workers

bobs_monkey ,

Get outta here, y’all were in middle school yesterday.

Amaltheamannen ,

Gen Z are like 20-30 years old by now

aStonedSanta ,

Nah. If you started skipping trends already you are free. Just use what you like lol

deegeese ,

Well I happen to like embarrassing my kids so…

aStonedSanta ,

Carry on. 😆

user224 ,
@user224@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

💀
I hope that was not serious.

dohpaz42 ,
@dohpaz42@lemmy.world avatar

Why? It’s a time-honored parenting tradition. And one that doesn’t involve child abuse.

Ragnarok314159 ,

Boomers and child neglect - name a better duo.

Viking_Hippie , (edited )

Boomers and pulling the ladder up behind them.

Viking_Hippie , (edited )

I’m told that the joy of embarrassing your children is the main upside of parenting, actually.

Like being Michael Scott/David Brent of The Office on purpose and they have to be the long-suffering employees of Dunder-Mifflin/Wernham Hogg.

Because no matter how much you play the oaf, some fool still allowed you to be in charge of something important 😁

neidu2 , (edited )

I can’t wait to log in to the newest platform only to engage in trash talk with a select group of boys. Three of them, to be exact.

“I fucked your mom!”
“Dad, go away…”

BoisZoi , to asklemmy in What's your favorite community on Lemmy that has no equivalent elsewhere?
@BoisZoi@lemmy.ml avatar

!piracy

/r/Piracy is just a bunch of memes, and this community actively talks about piracy, it’s ethical philosophy and taking control over your media. There are people who pirate everything regardless of circumstances, but for the most part, I’d argue its people who have been burnt by companies whom they trusted.

tias , (edited )

I disagree that it actually talks about the “ethical philosophy.” Basically either you join the echo chamber saying that there are no ethical problems with piracy, or you’re downvoted to oblivion. The responses are along the lines of “idc, I want free stuff.” That makes the discussion redundant and uninteresting.

ezchili ,

Hey there’s long fledged out discussions on the nuances of… how very ethical piracy is

frauddogg ,
@frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Piracy is good actually; the only people who disagree are squares who will never own capital of their own, and actual capitalist leeches

Mastengwe ,

Yep. I got wrecked trying to discuss the nuanced differences between piracy and theft.

Decided then and there to just block all discussions/communities on the topic. If they can’t leave the wind-tunnel, they can keep it to themselves.

peter ,
@peter@feddit.uk avatar

Some people have to jump through a lot of moral hoops to justify piracy instead of accepting there could be any possible bad points about it

Mastengwe ,

Exactly.

umbrella ,
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

because the flipside is companies wanting to nickel and dime you to oblivion for a subpar piece of media, or even hardware these days.

tias ,

We’re talking about whether the community has a nuanced discussion about the ethics of piracy or not. What you said just now is another attempt at a false dichotomy, so if you’re trying to represent the community you’re kind of proving my point.

umbrella ,
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

im presenting you with a simple, common but strong argument for it.

you can choose to engage with it with nuance or, apparently, attack me.

you won’t agree with every set of ideals out there, that doesn’t mean it isnt tought out.

tias ,

Your argument is not relevant to anything I said. So I don’t want to engage with it because it derails the discussion here, which is not about the ethics of piracy but about the community’s openness to discussing it.

umbrella ,
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

yes it is. you just dont want to have that discussion.

the community will rightfully shun people parroting the copyrights holders arguments and bad faith arguing, because thats not the place to be if you hate piracy.

tias ,

They can do whatever they want, it’s their community. Just don’t tell me there’s a nuanced discussion going on there.

umbrella ,
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

well dont tell me there isnt while refusing to engage.

tias ,

I did engage multiple times in that community, when it was on topic. I eventually learned that there was no point in doing so.

simple ,

/r/piracy is just a bunch of memes

Because otherwise it would get instantly banned. You don’t host piracy communities on social media, it’s well known

umbrella ,
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

There are people who pirate everything regardless of circumstances, but for the most part, I’d argue its people who have been burnt by companies whom they trusted.

hey thats me! 🤗

billgamesh ,

Idk if it’s still there, but devs of lemmy mentioned wanting to make a place you could actually talk about piracy. I buy things when I can DRM free, and when I can’t I’m really glad this community exists

Candelestine , to nostupidquestions in Did you ever think that maybe all VPN services are actually secretly owned/funded by governments and that they are only giving you a false illusion of privacy?

All I know is that if you’re very worried about being surveilled by governments, the Fediverse is the absolute last place you should want to be.

This is one of the most transparent platforms we have come up with yet. Instead of all your data only being viewable by a host company, it’s viewable and able to be analyzed by basically anyone who puts some effort in. This makes it economically worthless, can’t really sell something that everyone can already just get for themselves.

We’re all out in the open here. So, wave to all the national security agencies everyone. Hiiiii! Hope you’re all enjoying the memes!

umbrella ,
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

👋👋👋

phoneymouse ,

What data does Lemmy log?

Candelestine ,

Very little in its current form, I think mainly just IP address.

Ephera ,

Most of the big social networks are owned by US companies. Those are forced to disclose user data to the US intelligence agencies, by the PATRIOT act and CLOUD act. And those will share it with the 14 Eyes.

So, you are right about Lemmy, but it’s not true that data on traditional social media is only viewable by the host company.

DarkDarkHouse ,
@DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Let’s not forget that classic corporate social media companies generally have way more information on their users as well.

RaoulDook ,

I’ve gotta get busy posting dick pics then

technohacker , to linux in What's (are) the funniest/stupidest way(s) you've broken your linux setup?
@technohacker@programming.dev avatar

source ~/.bash_history

caseyweederman ,

Dear god

fl42v OP ,

That’s the scariest horror story in 2 words I’ve seen so far

technohacker ,
@technohacker@programming.dev avatar

I’m genuinely having a chuckle at how shocked people are at my submission, made my day xD

fl42v OP ,

I mean, it’s simple, elegant, and destructive AF given the right circumstances. Basically a chaos grenade we didn’t realize existed

papertowels ,

And also a very understandable mistake, to boot.

pendulous ,

Can a linux noob get an explanation of this?

Black616Angel ,

source is a bash shell built-in command that executes the content of the file passed as argument, in the current shell.

~/.bash_history contains all the commands you ever executed in bash (the default shell in most Linux systems)

pendulous ,

Thanks for the explanation

technohacker ,
@technohacker@programming.dev avatar

To add on to this explanation, you generally use source ~/.bashrc to reload your shell whenever you want to make changes to your user config. Tab completion weakens the barrier to destruction significantly (esp. in my case)

Black616Angel ,

That’s why I like fish, which shows matching commands you executed, so that you can easily redo them.

technohacker ,
@technohacker@programming.dev avatar

Ooh can I get an equivalent for zsh? :D

take6056 ,
Jordan_U ,

Until you use a system that doesn’t have a /.bashrc , and now your tab completion helpfully expands “/.ba[TAB]” to “~/.bash_history” .

grubders ,

i never thought i had a nuke that i can launch using one command

catastrophicblues ,

Oh no. That fits the bill perfectly lol.

jaykay ,
@jaykay@lemmy.zip avatar

New fear unlocked

ReverendIrreverence ,
@ReverendIrreverence@lemmy.ml avatar

“Oh My…” thought in a George Takei voice

omidmnz , (edited )

Reminded me of this: github.com/jtroo/kanata/issues/595

Same concept, different granularity!

tubbadu ,

Jesus Christ. It would be a good idea to format that file to have an exit as first line to avoid this

UprisingVoltage , (edited ) to games in What's up with Epic Games?

Epic cons:

  • Filled to the brim with DRM, at the point where you can’t even launch many singleplayer games offline
  • Actively against linux, for some fucking reason
  • Bad launcher (but this one is no biggie, you can and should use Heroic launcher instead of the official one)
  • Bad store in general compared to steam
  • Ties with Tencent (super anti-consumer chinese state-owned megacorp)

Epic pros:

  • Free games
  • With coupons prices can get VERY low
  • When it opened I heard the percent they take from game devs was lower than the other stores (not sure if it’s still the case and tbh if it ever was)

Steam pros:

  • Pushing linux gaming like their life depends on it
  • Generally correct towards the consumer
  • Huge store and many information, from the game store pages to the workshop
  • During sales prices are good

Steam cons:

  • Drm
  • Bad official app Ux and messy ui

Gog

I don’t know anything besides the fact that it has drm-free games and that it’s owned by CDPR (the guys who developed the witcher series and cyberpunk)

I personally purchase my games on steam, since I think their contribution to linux gaming is crucial for linux to go mainstream

Choose what you will knowing this. If someone else wants to add something to this list you’re welcome to do so.

Alto ,
@Alto@kbin.social avatar

Valve is what happens when someone who's not just outright fucking evil invents a money printing machine

MudMan ,
@MudMan@kbin.social avatar

Yeah, and somehow they managed to invent like 90% of all "evil" MTX and DRM in the process, take a bigger cut than competitors and actively reject having a returns policy until pushed by regulators and competitors, all the while being super not evil.

It's a fine line to walk, that.

Hajotay ,

I mean, do you have any good examples though? Because most of those things are blatantly false and/or happened 9+ years ago. If that's that's the worst you've got then Valve is must be amazing.

rikudou ,

They straight up don’t want people reselling games they own. They could do it easily, they just don’t want to.

Yeah, Steam does cool things, but the moment you start thinking that very huge corporation somehow cares about you, you’re doomed. Companies don’t care about people, they care about numbers. Especially huge companies like Valve.

Hajotay ,

I don't know if many companies allow you to resell your digital goods in the first place (other than, funny enough, Valve themselves who let your resell digital Steam assets).

SomethingBurger ,

Valve’s DRM prevents the resale of physical PC games, as Steam codes are single-use. They singlehandedly killed the used PC games market.

MrScottyTay ,

Loot boxes were, if not invented by them, definitely popularised.

Rai ,

and/or happened 9+ years ago

That was like 15 years ago hahaha

Katana314 ,

It’s not a trend they abandoned - Counter Strike is still a huge source of deceptive digital item trade. It also spread to Team Fortress 2 in the meantime.

Rai ,

Didn’t TF2 have it first?

I made soooo much money off’a TF2. Bought an index!

MrScottyTay ,

I’m sure it did start with tf2 and dota 2 has them too

MudMan ,
@MudMan@kbin.social avatar

See what I mean? That's nuts. That's a nuts sentence right there. Imagine having a brand so sticky that people go "but did they do something really bad recently?

For the record, Valve's games run loot boxes today. Like, right now you can buy loot boxes from Valve. CS gambling is also still happening, although I'm not into it enough to know how much better it is these days.

They invented the battlepass, too, that's a Dota 2 thing. Hey, remember how people refer to buying cosmetics for games as "buying hats"? That one's from TF2. Oh, and technically the trading cards you get for purchases are NFTs,, since the term doesn't require the tokens to be stored in a blockchain.

And then there's the dev side. Everybody was super pissed with them on that end while they were figuring out greenlight processes, which... I'm not sure if they did or people just kinda got used to what's there. And if you're around devs you'll know that Valve's whole deal is to tell people what to do and give them zero support to do it. And there are other horror stories about shadowbans and Apple-style manual rejections and delistings and stuff, but at that point you're getting more into inside baseball and I wouldn't expect it to be shaping public perception at all.

Hajotay ,

Well I'm not going to be eternally mad at Coca Cola because they put cocaine in their soda a century ago, there's got to be a cut-off point somewhere. If I'm going to hate them it's because of the things they are doing right now. Valve over the last eight years has been pretty well-behaved considering their market position gives them the capacity to be way worse. There's nothing stopping them from

  • buying up exclusivity contracts
  • making a DRM that actually functions
  • developing only proprietary software
  • making their games pay-to-win
CyberTaco ,

I will be eternally mad at Coca Cola because they took the cocaine out of their soda a century ago.

MudMan ,
@MudMan@kbin.social avatar

Oookay, so we're all cool with MTX cosmetics, loot boxes, battlepasses and lacking full ownership or transferability of games, then?

I'm just trying to figure out if the things Valve is doing right now are fine for everybody or just for Valve.

Which again, is my problem. I'll keep saying it, because having to argue for reality makes it sound like I'm a hater. I like Steam, I think Valve games are generally great (and it's a shame they've stopped making them), and I think Valve's management is a good example of many of the pros of a private company (look at Twitter for all the cons).

But holy crap, no, man, they are THE premier name in GaaS. Everybody is taking their cues from Valve, Epic or both in that space. Their entire platform is predicated on doing as little as possible and crowdsourcing as much as possible to keep the money machine churning. Corporations are not your friends.

TheGrandNagus ,

There has to be a cut off somewhere. Are you still pissed off at Ford for being pro-Nazi in the 30s?

MudMan , (edited )
@MudMan@kbin.social avatar

If he were still alive and running the company I do think that subject would probably come up, yeah.

But honestly, it's not a cutoff problem. Steam changed how games are marketed forever. I don't like the ways that went. I don't like that they killed physical media. I don't like that they killed ownership.

Those things are still happening. It's not over. They are still pushing that process. Today.

And then there's the MTX they're still pushing today. The loot boxes they're selling today. The race-to-the-bottom sales. The UGC nightmare landscape. It´s all in there right now.

And again, I am cool with that being the world we live in. I'm even much more friendly to many of those concepts than the average gamer, I just don't pretend Steam is not doing those things.

I don't hate Steam. But Steam's vision for what gaming looks like is not mine. I don't particularly like it and I absolutely need a viable alternative to exist alongisde them indefinitely.

wildginger ,

But what does that have to do with comparing it to epic? Epic isnt giving you a physical market, they are taking the next step towards digital ownership loss. Epic took the idea of loot boxes and gave it hyper cancer in fortnite, and uses that hyper cancer cash to fund giving you free games. The list goes on and on. Epics vision is not to undo the damage steam caused, its to worsen the damage to try and push it further.

If this was about the shit trends steam created, sure ok. But all of these problems with steam are things they did in the past establishing themselves, and are things epic is now actively doing to establish itself while taking each one a step further.

If these are problems for steam to have done, then supporting epic over steam is making the exact same mistake again, yes?

MudMan , (edited )
@MudMan@kbin.social avatar

I haven't looked at Fortnite in ages, but I'm pretty sure there aren't any loot boxes in it anymore. They first let you preview them before buying and now I think it's all direct purchases for cosmetics and a battlepass. CS2 launched this year and it's still loot boxes all the way down.

So... how does the statute of limitations work now? Is Fortnite now cool with you but CS2 isn't? Or is it more that whatever Epic does is bad and whatever Valve does is good?

EDIT: Also, add "destroying the previous game to replace it with a fake sequel that is really just a patch" to their list of crimes against gaming. They didn't invent that one, because I see you there in the corner, Activision, we haven't forgotten about you, but it sure does suck.

wildginger ,

CS2 is just a bad game tbh, but the loot boxes are still the same as they were when they put them in tf2. Fortnite specifically grinds my gears because of the active pointed targeting of kids. I like gambling, I dont mind adults choosing to gamble. I used to play mtg, the actual inventor of loot boxes. But fortnite wants to be the childrens gaming hub, and also sell loot boxes and battle passes. Thats pushing the line past where it was set.

But, like… Again, valve did these things and then set the line. Epic is pushing that line further. If the conversation was “hey why is valve shitty?” you would have a point. But thats not the convo. The conversation is “why is epic worse than valve?” And the answer is valve set shit standards that it holds to, but epic is trying to take those standards and push them further so it can be valve2, with worse established practices.

Youre saying “well valve made these bad decisions, whats the statute of limitations?” Ok, epic is actively trying to repeat those decisions. Why shouldnt we have learned from history, and not reward them doing the things you wish valve hadnt done?

Or do you prefer we have this same conversation in a decade, about epics decisions in the past tense?

MudMan ,
@MudMan@kbin.social avatar

No, you're not listening to me.

Epic. Took the lootboxes. Out of Fortnite.

Altogether. No loot boxes. None. They're gone.

So no, they're not pushing that line further. They were actually relatively early in reacting to regulator pressure by backing off from those. I'm gonna guess because they were caught having poorly designed underage checks and slapped with an exemplary fine, so it's not like they didn't get strong external incentives.

But if your argument is that Epic does it worse on a purely moral standpoint... well, you're objectively wrong and have been for about four years. The more interesting question is why do you not know this?

That's been my point all along. Valve's big win is branding. Their brand is absolute solid gold. They get a crazy amount of free passes no matter what they do. They're not bulletproof against controversy, but they're maybe the closest to that I can think of in the games industry.

Plenty of competitors have been more consumer-friendly than them in specific issues. EA started unconditional refunds when Valve was actively whining about regulators wanting them to do them. Epic backed out from loot boxes while Valve is actively adding them to new games. They are known to be the worst profit sharers, and it gets rougher the smaller a dev is... They're great at features and they do take very compelling stances in specific issues (many of them driven by the lifelong blood feud between Gabe and his former coworkers at Microsoft), but they are disproportionately seen as a league above every other first party regardles of facts.

That the kind of branding work you build a masters around right there. It's nuts.

TheGrandNagus ,

Epic has done all of that and more lol

squid_slime ,
@squid_slime@lemmy.world avatar

I’m pissed with ford for single handedle fucking our infrastructure, can’t live without a car now. But anyway things that company’s do 10 years ago or 90 stick around

TheGrandNagus ,

Does Henry Ford being a nazi impact your purchasing decisions now?

squid_slime ,
@squid_slime@lemmy.world avatar

Yes it effects my decision, I’d only buy defenders and vw’s anyway

Zorque ,

They invented Denuvo?

toroknos_07 ,
@toroknos_07@sh.itjust.works avatar

Drm = digital rights protection

Denovo is a form of drm made by iredto

SomethingBurger ,

Technically, Denuvo isn’t DRM, it’s anti-tamper. It protects the actual DRM from being modified or removed. It’s closer to an anticheat, as it ensures the game wasn’t modified.

Fun fact: my autocorrect changes anticheat to Antichrist.

Zorque ,

... right. And it's also considered one of the premier "evil" DRMs.

So I ask again... they invented Denuvo?

MudMan ,
@MudMan@kbin.social avatar

Oh, is that the bar? I hadn't received the memo. That's cool, then, because Activision, Epic, Microsoft and Ubisoft didn't invent Denuvo either, so we're all good.

All their platfomrs support it and sell games with it, though.

For the record, Steam actively suggests using multiple online features and multiple layers of DRM to minimize piracy:
https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/features/drm

Alto ,
@Alto@kbin.social avatar

I said not outright evil, not good.

MudMan , (edited )
@MudMan@kbin.social avatar

Hah. Fair enough.

I mean, I'd say that's probably true of most companies making videogames. People are really hyperbolic about this stuff.

ono ,

somehow they managed to invent like 90% of all “evil” MTX and DRM in the process

Having worked with DRM systems since long before Valve existed, I’m reasonably certain this is just plain false.

MudMan ,
@MudMan@kbin.social avatar

Blending the storefront with a DRM solution? No, that was them.

That's their entire call to fame. They first turned their auto-patcher into a DRM service, then they enforced authorization of physical copies through it and eventually it became the storefront bundled with the other two pieces. If somebody did it before them I hadn't heard of it, but I'll happily take proof that I was wrong.

None of the pieces were new, SecuROM and others had been around for years, a few publishers had download and patch managers and I don't remember who did physical auth first, but somebody must have. But bundling the three? That was Steam.

Transtronaut ,

Yeah, and I don’t remember Half-life being the game that introduced the world to horse armor.

Radicaldog , (edited )

The user is being hyperbolic, but is referring to their substantial role in popularising loot boxes, as well as the marketplace that has spawned a real gambling industry around it. Kids gamble on 3rd party sites for marketplace prizes and Valve does very little to interfere.

Chailles ,
@Chailles@lemmy.world avatar

Not to mention that Steamworks DRM is practically non-existent anyways (and that it also wasn’t necessary to use, it’s rare, but some games just don’t protect their game with any DRM).

ElectroLisa ,
@ElectroLisa@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Their DRM is easily bypassable with SteamEmu, as opposed to other inventions like Denuvo

MudMan , (edited )
@MudMan@kbin.social avatar

Ah, so if it's crackable it's fine?

Somebody tell Denuvo, they're off the hook.

Seriously, why try so hard to go to bat for a brand name? I get that everybody wants to root for something these days, but I'm too old to pick sides between Sega and Nintendo and I'm mature enough to reconcile that Steam can have the best feature set in a launcher and also be a major player in the process of erasing game ownership and the promotion of GaaS.

Alto , (edited )
@Alto@kbin.social avatar

Since I can almost guarantee you major publishers would not publish on steam without some sort of DRM, yeah Im fine with them having an easily crackable form of DRM. Especially since they're not exactly jumping to prevent people from doing it.

MudMan ,
@MudMan@kbin.social avatar

Oh, they are not. Their DRM wiki page for devs goes "this DRM is easily crackable, we really recommend you use secondary DRM on top of it, see how to do that below". I linked to that elsewhere.

Which is... you know, fine, but definitely one of the reasons I always check if a game is on GOG first before buying it on Steam.

Dagger ,

Steam have DRM free games too, you don't have to launch them through steam even.

mycus ,
@mycus@kbin.social avatar

steam drm is so easy to bypass that it almost doesn't count

ElPussyKangaroo OP ,

Didn’t know about heroic… Gonna check that out.

Also, wow. You’re the dude that appears in comment sections with well-formatted paragraphs 💯.

Appreciate your service.

Hubi ,
@Hubi@lemmy.world avatar

Don’t forget that Epic buys up existing licenses to sell them as exclusives. They even pulled Rocket League from Steam after buying the studio.

hh93 ,

Let’s also not forget that game developers have no choice but to release on steam if they want to have any chance on breaking even since they have that huge of a market share and that Epic challenging that already lead to better deals for developers since Valve hat virtually free reign before

Rose ,

Rocket League is fully playable on Steam.

The story of most of Valve’s games is finding a mod, hiring the modder, then making the game exclusive to Steam.

Hubi ,
@Hubi@lemmy.world avatar

You can no longer buy the game on Steam though.

ChicoSuave ,

The difference between Steam and Epic is that Steam gets modders who mod their Source games. These mods don’t exist outside of Valve games. Valve is paying someone who loves their games and makes content for those games. They are smart in recognizing talent and bringing it to their development teams.

Epic finds existing games with existing communities and build a wall around it so Epic becomes a gatekeeper to the fun. They stop games from working on other storefronts or pay for “exclusivity” which means stopping people from playing the game.

wooki ,

Steam cons

  • You don’t own the games, they are leased, like Sony
  • store costs to developers/publishers are insanely high for a digital distribution platform
  • early access games have very high volume of abandonware
mcforest ,

store costs to developers/publishers are insanely high for a digital distribution platform

Isn't the 30% cut what basically everyone takes? AFAIK GOG, Ubisoft, EA and all three console manufacturers take the same share.

Besides Epic only itch.io with their choose your share system and Discord (do they even still sell games?) take/took less.

wooki ,

Considering they have bugger all cost with distribution points being hosted for free by service providers it’s an overpriced over glorified website with online payment processing. 30% cut is massively tax for very little

FrederikNJS ,

You don’t own the games on any digital platform, neither steam, epic or gog. You’re only being sold a license to use it, and the license can be revoked whenever the company feels like it.

Thisbis actually true for most of the physical media back in the day, the only difference is that they didn’t really have a method to revoke the license… But that nice old cardboard box you have in your attic, with the nice shiny plastic disc… You still don’t legally own the software on it.

wooki ,

So what. It’s still valid Cons for the platform.

Stop making excuses for scamming one sided purchase agreements.

FrederikNJS ,

You are absolutely correct, but it’s a con for Epic too. Your comment makes it out to look like you don’t own your games on Steam, but by omission you make it seem like you do own your games on Epic.

I just want to make it very clear that you don’t own the games on either platform. But also want to mention that even if you buy a good old CD/DVD with the game on, then you still don’t own the game…

It’s absolutely awful that it’s practically impossible to own a game, and it’s even more awful that the platform can take away a game you paid for, let alone that they don’t even have to refund you for it…

MrScottyTay , (edited )

A con for GOG is their site is slow as fuck. And god forbid you want to go back to a previous page, you’ll likely lose where you were looking 9 times out of ten. Especially so on mobile.

Pros: Can be the only place you can get old games that would’ve been unavailable otherwise

The older games are often really really cheap, especially during sales

SomethingBurger ,

Steam’s, Epic’s, Ubisoft’s, Battle.net’s and whatever-EA’s-thing-is-called-now’s sites are also slow as shit. What is it with these platforms which prevent them from loading a webpage in less than 10 seconds?

MrScottyTay ,

Sadly, it’s likely a lot of tracking. The kind that look where your mouse is and where you scroll and stop etc.

SomethingBurger ,

What tracking does Epic need? “According to our analytics, 100% of users scroll to the free games banner on Tuesday at 5pm CEST, then leave and don’t come back for a week. What a mystery!”

suction ,

You’d be appalled how much people in corporations earn for making these obvious observations…

key ,

Oh thanks for the reminder, I hadn’t opened epic so I can scroll down to the free games banner in a while.

ono , (edited )

In Steam’s case, the slowness looks more like a side effect of it being a Chromium Embedded Framework application (similar to Electron) with a lot of extras bolted on. It’s just not built for efficient use of resources.

MrScottyTay ,

The website, outside of the client is still slower than it used to be a good few years ago

BigTechMustBurn ,

By making the entire thing a JavaScript monstrosity with egregious amounts of scripts.

Grass ,

Gog also seemingly no 2fa other than an faq page with instructions that cannot be followed.

MrScottyTay ,

I always get 2FA’d on GoG for an emailed code

Grass ,

Do you remember how to configure it? Last I checked I went through every account and settings page on the store site and seemingly separate customer service log in and no clear way to set it up.

MrScottyTay ,

Not a clue sorry. I’m personally not one to go out of my way to set up 2FA even though I know it’s good practice to do so (unless it’s work related, then I do)

cottonmon ,
@cottonmon@lemmy.world avatar

Another con is that GOG versions are usually not updated as much as other versions are. It’s a shame, because I’d prefer to use GOG when possible.

ono , (edited )

Epic cons:

Also:

  • Epic has already been caught scanning and collecting data from files on people’s hard drives that are totally unrelated to Epic or its games.
  • Epic’s habit of interfering with game availability, through exclusivity deals.

Ties with Tencent (super anti-consumer chinese state-owned megacorp)

To be more clear about it, Tencent is Epic’s largest investor, so they obviously have a great deal of influence over and access to anything they want from Epic (likely including user data) and they directly benefit from Epic’s growth.

Steam pros:

Also:

  • Actively funding and supporting development of linux gaming technologies for more than a few years now, to the point where linux is now very much a viable gaming platform.

Steam cons:
Drm

Given that DRM on Steam is entirely up to each game publisher, I don’t think it’s appropriate to list under “Steam cons”. I’m not even sure that any of my Steam games have DRM.

If you mean that most Steam games expect to find an instance of Steam running, you should know that is not DRM, and it’s trivially replaced with the open-source Goldberg Emulator or a similar tool.

Gog
I don’t know anything besides the fact that it has drm-free games

Another plus for GOG is that they let you download games with a web browser. No special app required. (I think Itch.io does this as well.)

Kecessa ,

Epic was scanning your Steam friends and play history

Valve was scanning your DNS cache

So… Maybe we shouldn’t forget to mention the second one if we’re going to bring up the first one

ono , (edited )

Valve was scanning your DNS cache

The story I read was that they didn’t collect or report anything, but just flagged a user if the cache contained a known game hack site, and that they stopped doing that years ago.

Not comparable to what Epic was caught doing, IMHO. Still, if there’s an article with more detail, I wouldn’t mind reading it. (Maybe it was part of their anti-cheat system of the time?)

Kecessa ,

Funny how if it was any other company you would call bs and tell them to fuck off with their “trust me bro” attitude.

To me it’s much worse what Valve did, they have no business looking at my browsing history, that’s much more private than the games I own on Steam or the three friends I’ve got on both platforms anyway.

Glide ,

I want to note that Steam isn’t inherently a DRM platform, as there are many games on Steam which are DRM free. Even ones that require the Steam backend can be bundled with Steamworks, serving all the same backend requirements without Steam needing to be installed on the machine.

Rose ,

Epic has a significantly higher percentage of games confirmed to be DRM-free.

JamesFire ,

So if we just assume this random wiki with no sourcing is correct…

Steam has more games than everyone else, DRM on Steam is the developer/publisher’s choice, Steam still has more DRM-free games than Epic does, and how many of the ones Epic has are exclusives that don’t count?

Rose ,

Many of the articles do have references on the DRM status. Here’s an example indicating verification by a staff member. I personally tested a bunch of the games for DRM and noted it back when I contributed. Until recently, most of the games released on Epic were DRM-free. Even the Sony games were notably DRM-free on Epic before they were released on GOG. Nowadays, it’s more common for the new ones to use EOS and have it function as DRM.

ares35 ,
@ares35@kbin.social avatar

yea, they steam has some drm-free games available... but steam is a drm platform.. one that also helped normalize one-time-use codes and tying 'purchases' to a non-transferable online account. valve did more to shred the used pc game market than any other company.

Kecessa ,

www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/List_of_DRM-free_games

The Origin store proportionally has more DRM free games than Steam…

JamesFire ,

So if we just assume this random wiki with no sourcing is correct…

Steam has more games than everyone else, DRM on Steam is the developer/publisher’s choice, Steam still has more DRM-free games than Origin does, and how many of the ones Origin has are exclusives that don’t count?

JamesFire ,

So if we just assume this random wiki with no sourcing is correct…

Steam has more games than everyone else, DRM on Steam is the developer/publisher’s choice, Steam still has more DRM-free games than Origina does, and how many of the ones Origin has are exclusives that don’t count?

Kecessa ,

Do you know what proportions are?

JimmyMcGill ,

Steam UI is messy but they have a ton of functionality in their store/system. Epic took ages to even get a functioning cart, Steam has tons of features which are not even tied to the games in their store like remote play and Steam VR. Family sharing is also really cool for example. Also Steam basically killed piracy for a long time due to amazing Steam sales + convenience of use.

Killer ,

Steam ui might be messy but you can get custom skins for it.

Kecessa , (edited )

Eh… A whole bunch of games on Epic are DRM free, proportionally more than there are on Steam in fact…

darth_helmet ,

Another Epic con: they bribe devs to not launch their games on Steam and GoG, because their store isn’t good.

MeanEYE ,
@MeanEYE@lemmy.world avatar

Steam DRM is optional, it depends on developers to implement it.

Radicaldog ,

Your first line is straight up misinformation. Epic has remarkably few games with DRM, mostly from big publishers implementing their own. I’ve yet to find an indie that can’t be launched directly as an .exe. Same with Cyberpunk 2077, launches directly without issue.

The only singleplayer game I can’t play offline is Hitman, just like on Steam, because their publisher sucks.

The_Picard_Maneuver , to asklemmy in Dear Lemmy, **why** Star Trek??
@The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website avatar

The Star Trek community has been going strong for nearly 60 years for a reason - Star Trek rocks.

When it started in the 60s (and continued especially strong with TNG in the 80s), it was unique in depicting a hopeful look at how things could be rather than a reflection of how things are, differing from how most shows do social commentary. It’s refreshing.

Star Trek is attractive to people who want to see a world where people work together toward great things in a post-scarcity utopia, with current day conversations of race, nationality, sex, gender, etc. being so far in the rear-view mirror that they’re non-issues. Plus cool technology. I think that appeals to the Lemmy crowd.

Lucien ,

Another key point I feel is often overlooked about Star Trek is the “Gulliver’s Travels” component of (at least pre-Kelvin) Star Trek. Every show, every race was secretly a fun-house-like caricature of humanity’s worst traits, with the humans of the show demonstrating growth past that point. You laugh at or shirk away from them, but really it’s modern humanity that is being depicted (Ferengi as capitalists, Klingons as warmongers, Romulans as subversives, etc.) And then we see what we could be, the hope that you talked about, in future humanity

The_Picard_Maneuver ,
@The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website avatar

It seems like such a creative way to do social commentary. We get to see our present failings in aliens, and then contrast it with how the crew (future humanity) carries themselves. Sometimes it’s very clunky and heavy handed (like that TOS episode with the half-white/half-black aliens), but it’s still good. My favorites are every time Picard monologues about their values to an alien race in TNG.

Even if you already share the values, it’s fascinating to hear them laid out so clearly.

Lucien ,

It helps that Stewart is such a fantastic monologist. It’s like hearing something complex about biology or ecology from David Attenborough. They both have such an effortless ability to communicate difficult subjects.

Nacktmull ,

Picard monologues are in fact what I appreciate most in TNG!

constantokra ,

Do you include Wesley as an alien in that instance? Because that monologue is solid.

The_Picard_Maneuver ,
@The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website avatar

I’m going to say yes. Every teenager is an alien.

constantokra ,

Good take.

Lucien ,

Shut up, Wesley

GreenTeaRedFlag ,

I really love it when it’s especially heavy handed. That’s my shit.

actual_patience OP ,

That’s very interesting. I think you’ve sold me on watching the show.

GalaxyBrain ,
@GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net avatar

The original series is very 1960s and I wouldn’t recommend for a jumping in point. I’d go with next Gen for that, it’s the quintessential trek more so than the original having had 3 spinoffs in the 90s and defining most of the canon. Here’s the issue though, the first 2 seasons of tng really suck. Like maybe the worst 2 seasons of the whole franchise. I’d check out some best of lists for those seasons and maybe sprinkle a couple random ones in, they did 26 hour long episodes per season and there are some amazing clunkers there, bad episodes are part of trek and you’ve gotta learn to enjoy them, but those first 2 seasons are rough.

Lucien ,

But if you hang in there, you get rewarded with a Riker’s Beard

GalaxyBrain ,
@GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net avatar

How’s Giant Spock doing?

Lucien ,

Still vibin

GalaxyBrain ,
@GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net avatar

Don’t tell him about that Lower Decks episode.

Professional_Lurker ,
dessalines ,

To me, Trek is a mash of three great communities, each nerdy in their own way:

  • Science-fiction, specifically optimistic mid-century science fiction.
  • Theatre / Drama
  • Revolutionary Socialism

This article scratches the surface of it.

actual_patience OP ,

Thank you for the article. I’ll need to look more into this in the future.

jballs ,
@jballs@sh.itjust.works avatar

I think you personally posting more than the other Lemmings combined might have something to do with it…

taladar , to asklemmy in What's the biggest "Green Flag" that could be misinterpreted as a "Red Flag"?

Being on friendly terms with past partners is another one. Or for that matter cherishing the memories of the good times with those partners. A lot of people seem to think that after a breakup you should hate your ex forever and burn all pictures, throw away any object they ever gave you,… but that is actually quite unhealthy (unless abuse or stalking or similar things were involved of course). If a relationship does not work out that doesn’t mean that other options, such as friendship, might not be on the table and even if they aren’t that doesn’t mean you can’t treat each other like regular acquaintances when you randomly meet somewhere. Obviously they might not be an option immediately after a breakup but once time has dulled the pain a bit a friendship is absolutely possible with someone you initially shared enough interests with to try a relationship.

Sequentialsilence ,

I feel that. It may be hard to believe but the breakup was amicable. It’s just really hard to make a 7 time zone difference work, especially almost 20 years ago when video chat was not what it is today. The few times we had together I really do cherish, but it was not the right time or place. We’re now only 1 time zone apart and haven’t seen each other since her wedding, but we do still keep up with each other periodically.

It is possible to be happy for an ex and really wish them the best.

taladar ,

It is possible to be happy for an ex and really wish them the best.

That is even possible if you have no desire to spend time with them yourself any more. Not everyone who is incompatible with you is a bad person who deserves a bad life, in fact most people are not.

Damaskox ,
@Damaskox@kbin.social avatar

I recall someone asking "Then why did you break up if you are good buds?".
Sometimes it's easier being friends rather.

Exes belong to life and memories as much as anyone in any other role. No need to forget them any more or less than anyone else (painful feelings and memories are another story).

Sometimes you can take a pause after a breakup to kill feels and later come back to friendly terms.

just_another_person , to piracy in When a Torrent disappears from 1337x, how do you find out what happened?

Welp, out of curiosity, I read up on this movie. It’s way dumber than I expected from the title. It’s just ‘Ladybugs’ all over again.

Edit: holy shit does this get worse and worse. It’s like a right-wing wet dream. The cast is literally nothing but hate-group aligned right-wing YouTube personalities lol.

Evkob ,
@Evkob@lemmy.ca avatar

They even have Ted Cruz in it (as himself).

This nightmare world we live in would be hilarious if we didn’t have to, you know, live in it.

Hyperreality ,

It’s just ‘Ladybugs’ all over again.

The only ladybugs I know of is Lindsey Graham:

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/lindsey-graham-lady-g-rumor

just_another_person ,

Wow…TIL

fsxylo ,

Lol, the more right wingers bitch about this the more I straight up want drag queens to actually do this.

Let’s unironically make the strawman world right wingers are mad at so they can seethe.

DemBoSain ,
@DemBoSain@midwest.social avatar

Daily Wire? Yeah, no thanks.

Tell me at least the main characters learn a heart-warming lesson at the end.

Thermal_shocked ,

Gross, Shapiro is in it. Just go watch ladybugs, at least it had the kid from Seaquest.

DAMunzy ,

Lol, streaming on DailyWire+. Not even straight to DVD.

SnokenKeekaGuard OP , to asklemmy in What's some sex ed info you didn't know until embarrasingly late?
@SnokenKeekaGuard@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Believed this until I was like 16 and so did everyone else in our school.

A girl did anal and got pregnant and since it was anal that got her pregnant she was gonna poop out the baby. Funny thing is I was part of the group conversation that started this rumor and STILL we all believed it.

xmunk ,

Ah, religious schools… they’re such a blessing.

MisterFeeny ,

since it was anal that got her pregnant

Umm...you might still be missing some sex ed info.

SnokenKeekaGuard OP ,
@SnokenKeekaGuard@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Lol thats from a thought from the perspective of teen me

squiblet ,
@squiblet@kbin.social avatar

I had a goth girlfriend who unexpectedly turned into a conservative Christian and wanted to stay a virgin. I was a horny teen and was “well what about anal” and she said oh no, she could get pregnant because of seepage

SnokenKeekaGuard OP ,
@SnokenKeekaGuard@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I love this

Risk ,

It is technically possible if semen gets out/around the anus and then gets accidentally wiped towards the labia.

DaCookeyMonsta ,

I think there was actually some fringe case where it happened due to some internal deformity.

the_itsb ,
@the_itsb@hexbear.net avatar

That is hilarious!

LemmySoloHer ,
@LemmySoloHer@lemmy.world avatar

Apparently they’re called “butt babies” according to James Gunn’s Peacemaker.

ChaoticNeutralCzech ,

I think millions of children will now have this misconception thanks to
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6 years ago

TheAnonymouseJoker ,
@TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

Thanks for sharing traumatic memes with us! Your service is appreciated by all of Lemmy!

Snowplow8861 , to selfhosted in OpenSubtitles Hostility

Just fyi, as a sysadmin, I never want logs tampered with. I import them filter them and the important parts will be analysed no matter how much filller debugging and info level stuff is there.

Same with network captures. Modified pcaps are worse than garbage.

Just include everything.

Sorry you had a bad experience. The customer service side is kind of unrelated to the technical practice side though.

CeeBee OP ,

Ya, it’s a good point. I’ve actually never had to deal with a client/customer providing logs before. Aside from one system that I built which would collect everything in the backend and provided a tidy zip file to be emailed. I’m used to getting the logs myself and was trying to be helpful without thinking about that.

deweydecibel , (edited )

I can’t remember exactly what it was (Emby?) but I distinctly remember one time having my ticket closed because they scoured the log and found mention of a torrented file. They basically had rules that stated if the logs showed evidence of certain things, they’d outright refuse to assist you. Not sure how common that is though.

Sometimes there’s also just file or directory names I’d rather not reveal. So I’ll do a find/replace with some generic titles. But nothing gets deleted outright.

Snowplow8861 ,

It’s totally fine to bulk replace some sensitive things like specifically sensitive information with “replace all” as long as it doesn’t break parsing which happens with inconsistency. Like if you have a server named "Lewis-Hamiltons-Dns-sequence“ maybe bulk rename that so is still clear “customer-1112221-appdata”.

But try to differentiate ‘am I ashamed’ or ‘this is sensitive and leaking it would cause either a PII exfiltration risk or security risk’ since only one of these is legitimate.

Note, if I can find that information with dns lookup, and dns scraping, that’s not sensitive. If you’re my customer and you’re hiding your name, that I already invoice, that’s probably only making me suspicious if those logs are even yours.

Eccitaze ,
@Eccitaze@yiffit.net avatar

Yeah, as someone in a tech job whose primary function is “parsing and interpreting logs” sometimes even the repeated flood of seemingly useless logs can be helpful. If nothing else, they explain why there aren’t any useful logs and that can guide how I respond to the problem.

bigkahuna1986 , to asklemmy in What's something that you were surprised to find out a lot of people hate?

Systemd apparently. Every time someone brings it up, the thread devolves into a religious flame war.

Lettuceeatlettuce ,
@Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml avatar

I’ve never got this either. I’ve been using Linux exclusively for over 4 years, multiple devices, tested dozens of distros, almost all Systemd-based and I havent ever experienced any problems that the anti-systemd folks talk about.

Or at least, they were so rare and minimal that I didn’t notice.

Coming from an IT background dealing with 99% Windows machines and Microsoft products, maybe my bar was on the floor, but Linux has been soooo much more stable and dependable than Windows.

Helix ,

Been using Linux since 2004 and systemd has made my life significantly easier. People bickering about systemd are usually ultra nerds without arguments real people would consider important.

intensely_human ,

I remember in my coding class when the prof claimed the language we were learning didn’t have GOTO, but it also didn’t need it because anything that could be accomplished with GOTO could be accomplished with loops and conditionals.

Now looking back I can’t believe what a tech debt nightmare goto is, and I’m glad I weaned off it.

Startup scripts seem more powerful because they’re code you know will be executed sequentially. For a developer that feels nice.

But a declarative system like systemd is so much more predictable and stable, specifically because it does NOT allow for sequential execution of code.

Once I made that switch I was a fan. It’s so much more predictable and standardized.

Helix ,

Exactly my sentiment. Why would you want something with more moving parts than systemd which is also slower? :D

There are some good alternatives to SysV init.d scripts nowadays which only came to fruition after systemd existed and people noticed it’s possible to write something like this.

I used OpenRC and s6 and both of them worked better and were easier to configure than SysV init.

lemann ,

Was a little bit of a hassle initially to convert various custom init scripts into systemd unit files, but it was worth it IMO. Now the init scripts feel kinda jank in comparison lol.

On a barebones or embedded system I can see a lightweight init having a very big appeal though

intensely_human ,

Systemd is awesome. I used to use init.d and was annoyed when I had to learn systemd instead, but once I did I’m so glad it exists. Declarative is the way to go.

thebardingreen ,
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Swiggles ,

I used Linux (and some Unix) before systemd was a thing and init scripts are jank. So much boilerplate and that was before things like proper isolation existed and other more modern features.

I don’t understand why anyone would want that back.

A replacement of systemd with something else would be fine, but please no more init scripts and pointless run levels.

fubo ,

Upstart was fine. It does the parallel init thing without taking over the whole OS.

Swiggles ,

I almost forgot it existed. It was a slight improvement, but with a whole bunch of new problems (most notable race conditions which were never fixed) and it was made obsolete by systemd.

It was a good evolutionary step only used by Ubuntu iirc. It was better at that time than the previous init system, but not more than that and it never found wide adaption.

SpaceCowboy ,
@SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

Yeah when systemd came out it was over a decade since I touched an init script. So the only difference to me was my computer booted up faster.

Fisk400 , to asklemmy in If you have the power will you ban high fructose corn syrup?

Just removing subsidies on corn would solve the core problem. There are lots of things corn is used for that shouldn’t be corn that also get fixed by that.

Pinklink ,

Pet food

AFKBRBChocolate ,

Came here to say this. HFCS is used so much because it’s so cheap for companies to use it. Get rid of the corn subsides, which have long outlived their purpose, and there’s not much incentive for using HFCS anymore and you solve the problem without a ban.

krayj ,

This is the answer. High fructose corn syrup is over-used because it’s dirt cheap to produce, and it’s only dirt cheap to produce because corn is subsidized.

As much as I love my bourbon whiskey, I’ll accept the fact that prices will go up if corn stops being subsidized, but that’s what’s desperately needed in this country.

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