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OsrsNeedsF2P , in Today I learned an oil company prevented the rescue of contracted divers working on their pipe to save money.

Paria admitted they had no rescue plan, citing that they had ‘no legal responsibility to rescue the men’. Further external attempts to save the men were reportedly blocked by Paria. In November 2023, the Commission of Enquiry found that “Paria’s negligence could be characterised as gross negligence and consequently criminal”. They recommended that the Director of Public Prosecutions “consider charging Paria with what is commonly known as Corporate Manslaughter.”

Looks like nothing came from this… yet?

A GoPro camera was recovered from one of the deceased divers, Kazim Ali Jr. Audio recording from the camera shows that all five men were alive after being sucked into the oil pipe, and in the audio they are heard praying and comforting each other.

This is why all of the interclass hatred and debates are stupid at the end of the day. When that’s you, are you really gonna care that you died beside a Tankie or a Confederate supporter? We’re slowly getting worse, while the rich literally let us die to save a couple million pounds.

rikudou ,

When that’s you, are you really gonna care that you died beside a Tankie or a Confederate supporter?

What the fuck is that question? No, I won’t care when I’m dying, I will care every other time, though. And as surprising as it may be, I’m more often not dying than I am dying.

So I do and will care about an idiot who wants to steal the precious few little freedoms we actually have to support their red fash wet dream which will never actually work because it would be stupid little greedy fucks like them running things.

Shiggles ,

Given that both of your examples are commonly authoritarian if not outright fascist in ideology, I’m not exactly sure they’re too interested in class solidarity?

Glad you can grandstand but “you and the inbred moron who voted for the people who enabled things to get this bad are both getting dicked, so you should accept their opinions as respectable” is not the slam dunk argument you think it is.

muse ,
@muse@fedia.io avatar

I mean, they're a tankie.

cave ,
@cave@lemmy.world avatar

lemmy.ml I’m not surprised

SupraMario ,

All of these types are the ones who think they’re going to be running the show. The end goal is just power to them, everyone likes to joke that people just think they’re future millionaires, while these types just think they’re future leaders getting to send their enemies to death camps.

Aatube , (edited )

Looks like nothing came from this.. yet?

OSHA sent them to court in January, which, well, is court, so it goes long I guess

gmtom ,

So at most they’ll get a couple million in fines that the company had already budgeted for.

Aatube ,

The report says that's because they could not find evidence to attribute the charge to any person, and figureheads cannot be imprisoned just for a crime of their company in the primitive laws of this very small island country in the Caribbean, since nothing like this has happened in that country before, apparently. The report is sort of "exploiting" the existing rule that corporations may be accused as perpetrators to accommodate for the punishment of this crime to actually be able to convict and punish; the charge of "corporate manslaughter" has never happened before either. c.f. https://hfpsc.org/corporate-homicide-manslaughter/

Lmaydev , in TIL about Swatch Internet Time, a decimal time system that has no time zones.

We also need to switch to 13 months at 28 days each. Makes things so much easier.

BarrierWithAshes ,
@BarrierWithAshes@kbin.social avatar

Yes please! I love that system so much I made it the default in my fantasy novels.

gnate ,

Math checks out, but who do we name the other month after? Another Roman emperor?

all-knight-party ,
@all-knight-party@kbin.run avatar

We can just name it after some guy named John. We can call it Johnuary

Lmaydev ,

Honestly just numbering them would be easier haha

gnate ,

But then do we skip unlucky 13, and right from 12 to 14?

HopingForBetter ,

Nah, we swing hard the other way: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 666

gnate ,

That’ll make Christmas interesting.

ElmarsonTheThird ,

How about Sextuary after August and before September? It counts up from there until December anyway.

edgemaster72 ,
@edgemaster72@lemmy.world avatar

Smarch. Just gotta watch out for that lousy Smarch weather.

gnate ,

Not to mention the Ide of Smarch. Beware!

metallic_z3r0 ,

I’d personally prefer 12 months with 30 days each, a 6-day week (makes for even rotations in shifts, 4 on 2 off), and an inter-calary week of 5 to 6 days at the new year.

If we’re going for broke on this I’d also want to convert to the dozenal system over decimal, as 12 is more easily divisible by smaller numbers which means easier division for numbers we use more often (like 3 or 4), which means that ¼ would be 0.3 and ⅓ would be 0.4.

Peppycito ,

Wow. A dozenal system sounds useful! We should use it for measuring distances!

Kecessa ,

I would say that at the very least we could adjust February by taking a day from July and August and the extra day every four years could be added inbetween them as a “monthless” day in the middle of the summer.

crapwittyname ,

A dozenal system is more difficult in multiplication. Decimal: 10^7 =10000000, 10^8=100000000, 10^9=1000000000, etc.
Dozenal: 12^7= 35831808, 12^8=429981696, 12^9=5159780352.
Gets very messy very quick.

NoneOfUrBusiness ,

That's because you're working in base 10. That person wants to covert to base 12.

crapwittyname ,

In which case teaching kids to count becomes more difficult because we have ten fingers

NoneOfUrBusiness ,

Yeah that's true.

metallic_z3r0 ,

Unless you use your thumb to point to the phalanges of each finger.

crapwittyname ,

Ok that’s me convinced. I’m on board train dozenal!

Peppycito ,

Wait till you hear about these things called inches!

Rivalarrival ,

Since we can count to “10” (12) on one hand, we can use the other hand to count sets of “10”, bringing us up to “100” (144). With decimal, we’re stuck at 20, and that’s only if we’re wearing sandals.

crapwittyname ,

If you’re pointing to the last phalange on both hands, that would be “110” (156) though wouldn’t it. Since it would be “10” x “10” + “10”.
We could also use this method to count to 100 in base-10 using only the first 10 phalanges of the hand.

TheEntity ,

In base 12 12^7 would be written as 10000000 too.

Rivalarrival , (edited )

In dozenal (duodecimal), 6+6= a dozen, but we write “dozen” as “10”. A dozen dozen is not 144; it is “100”. 3 dozen is not 36; 3 dozen is “30”.

We would have two additional digits between 9 and “10”.

We would have to rewrite our multiplication table entirely. 2 * 6=10. 3 * 6=16. 4 * 6=20. But, when we do memorize the new table, it is just as consistent and functional as our decimal system.

Plopp ,

12? Ew. As someone who relies on my fingers to count I repudiate such discriminatory system!

lordnikon ,

you can still use your fingers. it’s how we got our standard of time. Back then they counted the joints in our fingers minus thumb. 4 sets of 3 for our four fingers and 3 joints per finger. Then 5 sets of 12 to make 60. as they would use the fingers on the other hand to track how many times they counted to 12.

teft ,
@teft@lemmy.world avatar

My favorite system like this is the Oksapmin counting system. They use a base 27 system. It’s based upon counting upper body parts.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/00440a35-00ed-4687-a07e-4f8aabf40205.jpeg

EmoDuck ,

The Babylons had a great counting system using the segments of their fingers

https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/ff69a628-1b77-449e-aa44-120cbebe2825.jpeg

Thought I prefer the binary counting system

https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/f0e2e096-b675-4347-bc6a-e26c5d064497.jpeg

ilovededyoupiggy ,
@ilovededyoupiggy@sh.itjust.works avatar

So, like, I understand the binary one, I see what you did there and all. But a system where ☝️ means “2” is just wrong.

Also, what number is the shocker?

sorghum ,
@sorghum@sh.itjust.works avatar

22

Rivalarrival ,

You still get to count on your fingers. You use your thumb to count each bone in your 4 fingers to get up to 12. (“10” in the new system). Then you have the option to either continue with your other hand up to 24, or use it as an abacus, keeping your place while you count up to 144 (“100”).

Plopp ,

You expect me to remember all that? Which thumbs? How many knuckles? When? Who?

wolfshadowheart ,
teft ,
@teft@lemmy.world avatar

Fuck it. Lets get real and just go all the way back to Sumeria. Sexagesimal numbering system here we come.

Lmaydev ,

I like that with 13 each month starts on a Monday and ends on a Sunday. Makes that calculation super easy.

metallic_z3r0 ,

With six days a week for a 30-day month, each month would also start with the same day.

fogstormberry ,

7 day weeks are such a mess

Lmaydev ,

True. But I think as long as the weeks aren’t cut up by months it’s still a massive simplification.

eighty , (edited )

There’s pros and cons., though personally I used this calendar for my fiction writing.

I’d like to find a way to sync the lunar cycle and solar cycles since the earth’s, moon’s, and revolutions around the sun are soooo close (5 days off) plus it’d make sense to keep in theme with the Babylonian-esque base-60 system (where 60 is readily divided and a factor of 360 days, 12 months, 30 days, etc).

Which is pretty much what the Ancient Egyptians did.

*edit: pretty much have 5 “fake days” and add a sixth “fake” day to account for the gradual desync.

Lmaydev ,

New year’s week sounds good haha

Albbi ,

That is really nice! People take vacations around the new year anyway.

Hupf ,

Relevant m.xkcd.com/320/

user1234 ,

I had a roommate for a semester in college who essentially lived on a 40 hour schedule. He’d stay awake for 24 hours straight, then sleep for 16 hours. Not sure if he managed to pass any of his classes that year.

EmoDuck ,

I had your mom for a semester in college

user1234 ,

I hope you cleaned her urn when you were done.

wolfshadowheart ,

I honestly feel pretty close to that, not as egregious but maybe like 16 to 20 hours awake to 8-12 hours asleep. Roughly 16-10

AdmiralShat ,

An alternative is 10 months where each are 36 days for even numbered months and 37 days for odd number months

A benefit for 28 days is all months are 4 weeks.

stevehobbes , in TIL Einstein compared Israel to Nazis in 1948 (NYT)

They’re referring to a political party in Israel not Israel itself.

Hyperreality , (edited )
chaogomu ,

Likud isn't just a continuation of Herut, they merged with the remnants of Lehi, a full on terrorist organization from before the 1949 war.

A surviving member of Lehi then became the first leader of Likud, and his first act in power was to give all the surviving terrorists commendation medals.

That terrorist turned prime minister was also Netenyahu's mentor.

highenergyphysics ,

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  • yiliu ,

    According to Zionist logic, the West would be justified in annihilating them to the last man, civilian or otherwise.

    Ah, this person is pointing out the irony of Israel defending a total war against an entire people, in the name of fighting ‘terrorism’. That’s certainly a reasonable point to–

    From the river to the sea.

    Oh wait they’re actually calling for genocide, they just disagree with the radical Israeli Right over who ought to be genocided…

    captainlezbian ,

    And what good would that achieve? A shared state is the only way forward. Shedding blood to shed blood serves none but the bloodthirsty.

    roofuskit , (edited )

    I think you’re missing that they’re parroting the prevailing Israeli attitude towards Palestinians. I doubt they were being serious, but instead are pointing out how barbaric it is.

    library_napper OP , (edited )
    @library_napper@monyet.cc avatar

    Right, it’s not Israel that’s terrorist – it’s just their entire military.

    Edit: oh, and most of their settlers.

    stevehobbes ,

    You’re entitled to that opinion. You’re not entitled to misrepresent 70 year old letters to say something they didn’t say.

    library_napper OP ,
    @library_napper@monyet.cc avatar

    The party that he was criticizing ended up megrimg into the current party that is in control of the Israeli government today (which is widely recognized as the furthest-right government of all of Israeli history)

    So I think it’s fair to say that if Einstein were alive today, he would compare the current government of Israel with the Nazi party, as he did to them in 1948

    southsamurai ,
    @southsamurai@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Then make posts that say that instead of posting things with shitty clickbait titles that aren’t accurate.

    Go ahead, lemmy allows you to edit titles, so you can fix this.

    blazeknave ,

    Come on… you know that’s not the point. The point is all Jew bad and all Israelis for all of history are represented by current leader. You know, like how every American was a Trumper bc he scammed his way into power. Don’t expect good faith dialogue here.

    library_napper OP ,
    @library_napper@monyet.cc avatar

    This has nothing to do with the population of Israel. Einstein was condemning the party now controlling the State of Israel.

    This has nothing to do with religion.

    MooseLad ,

    They’re referring to a political party in Israel not Israel itself.

    You mean the nationalist political party focused on revisionist Zionism that merged to create Likud? The party that was and is led by Netanyahu?

    You’re not entitled to misrepresent 70 year old letters to say something they didn’t say.

    Yes, Einstein was referring to that political party. But it was a nationalist zionist party that merged with a few other nationalist zionist parties, and they are currently in power and control the military and government.

    I don’t think OP is really misconstruing here, because the party still exists and is in control of the government. If I said that the United Russian Party is fascist, I’m effectively calling Russia fascist, because they currently rule Russia in a defacto one party system.

    TunaCowboy ,

    nationalist zionist parties

    Zionism is by definition a nationalist ideology.

    Phanlix ,

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  • inclementimmigrant , in TIL The Katy Freeway in Houston, TX was expanded in 2008 to 26 lanes (one of the widest in the world) and 5 years later had longer peak travel times than before the expansion

    Yup. Been plenty of studies to show that increasing lanes only alleviates traffic in the short term and long term only makes it worse. Better to spend money on trains and busses that actually work and get people where they need to go with minimal hassle and a reasonable cost than to do this crap.

    mojofrododojo ,

    to me it’s like the military industrial complex - they don’t care what evidence supports, they want their fucking money and they’ll keep building roads until it’s a giant parking lot from sea to fucking sea. we could have an ecosystem, but fuck you, because cars.

    PalmTreeIsBestTree ,

    It also costs the taxpayer more because of maintenance

    Waraugh ,

    I don’t necessarily disagree that it costs more, I have no idea but it seems logical to me that it would. However, even if it is cheaper, public transit solutions also have maintenance.

    CeeBee ,

    Far less maintenance, and it’s generally directly supported by rider fares instead of petitioning for government tax money.

    Also the density of passengers on transit justifies the costs. 90%+ of all cars have a single person, whereas transit is on average magnitudes more. On that basis alone transit is far far cheaper.

    funchords ,
    @funchords@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    and it’s generally directly supported by rider fares instead of petitioning for government tax money.

    Fares alone do not pay the bills. Buses are always subsidized (which is totally fine IMO. Every fine metro area has a good transit system, and it should be affordable to all who would want to use it.)

    CeeBee ,

    True enough. But my point still stands that there are fares that are collected that help offset operational and maintenance costs.

    It’s still cheaper than maintaining huge roadways.

    VinnieFarsheds ,
    @VinnieFarsheds@lemmy.world avatar

    I already see the angry republicans on Fox news raging on how their precious tax dollars are being wasted just to benefit poor people

    lagomorphlecture ,

    Yeah it’s too bad only poor people can ride trains :(

    funchords ,
    @funchords@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    trains and busses that actually work and get people where they need to go with minimal hassle and a reasonable cost

    Trains predate cars and busses have always been with us since the car. People have voted – with their cars.

    The Interstate Highway System started in the 1950s. Population has more than doubled since then. Of course, we have more traffic, we have more people!

    urbanzero ,

    The auto industry lobbied to kill public transportation back in the day to sell more cars. For a recent example see Ellen Musk and the Hyper Loop.

    sir_pronoun , in TIL that quadruple A batteries exist

    But… does the mythical A battery exist?

    hellfire103 , (edited )

    It would appear so not.

    Oisteink ,

    Right - so that is a photo of an AA battery and a drawing of an A battery.

    So if I take a photo of a gorilla and draw Sasquatch next to it I have proof of Sasquatch! This is good info to me.

    BRB

    hellfire103 ,
    can ,

    An AA battery next to a dimensioned 2D drawing of an A battery (7mm grid).

    (This is an placeholder image for A battery section of en:List_of_battery_sizes. To be replaced with an actual example as soon as one comes along.)

    Date 19 June 2011

    hellfire103 ,

    My mistake!

    pruwybn ,
    @pruwybn@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    I think you were right, it does exist, but Wikipedia doesn’t have a picture of one they can legally use. For example I found this:

    batteryequivalents.com/a-size-battery-equivalents…

    Oisteink ,

    Ah - so I need to put the drawing on Wikipedia. Noted!

    Anything else that’s needed? Quickly please as I’ve already called NYT and CNN

    zephr_c ,

    You could read the text next to it. They have an official specification, and they’re occasionally used as cells in larger battery packs, but they never got adopted in consumer products, so you can’t just buy an off the shelf A battery. Nobody has bothered to get a picture of one, because nobody actually cares that much.

    can ,

    No public image at least.

    BeatTakeshi OP ,
    @BeatTakeshi@lemmy.world avatar

    Can someone fix this dire state of knowledge?

    Oisteink ,

    Thanks - I’m adding some text now next to the drawing about occasional sightings in Canada, but as they don’t care about capturing it nobody has a picture of it. Hence validating my drawing as the only proof.

    Fubarberry ,
    @Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz avatar

    Honestly it feels like “1/2AA Battery” should just be an “A battery”

    Davel23 ,

    So does the B battery

    Oisteink ,

    There’s even C batteries, they were known as baby batteries when I grew up, and quite a few ghetto blasters used them

    MonkderDritte , (edited )

    Funny. I have 3rd-party scripts disabled and it spawns endless search fields.

    mihnt ,

    An A battery is usually just called a 17500. They were used in laptop batteries and such but are now used in hobbies more. Mostly for flashlights, vapes, or Lightsaber replicas.

    Ghostalmedia ,
    @Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

    Every battery is a battery.

    RobotToaster ,
    @RobotToaster@mander.xyz avatar

    Most “batteries” are in fact cells.

    Plopp ,

    This is why humans make good batteries.

    Zron ,

    Humans make terrible batteries, you leave one in a box for 6 months, you come back to a soggy, very stinky box.

    Humans are much better as low power space heaters. As long as they have fuel, they’ll maintain a known temperature.

    Kusimulkku ,

    Interlinked

    Tehdastehdas ,
    @Tehdastehdas@lemmy.world avatar

    Is a battery with one cell still a battery? Is an empty library still a library? Is an empty breadbox still a breadbox?

    BeatTakeshi OP ,
    @BeatTakeshi@lemmy.world avatar

    A battery has many faces. A battery has no name.

    mojo_raisin ,

    That’s preposterous

    olav ,
    @olav@theweird.space avatar

    @sir_pronoun
    @BeatTakeshi

    ~17450 with a prefix depending on the battery type.

    WoodlandAlliance , in TIL The Katy Freeway in Houston, TX was expanded in 2008 to 26 lanes (one of the widest in the world) and 5 years later had longer peak travel times than before the expansion

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  • PrincessLeiasCat ,

    History? Is that a recent thing?

    Source: live in Texas :(

    BarrelAgedBoredom ,

    History is a conspiracy cooked up by cultural Marxists to push their gay liberal agenda

    potoo22 ,

    Remember the Alamo? It’s like that but the stuff that happened after, up until now. I don’t know if there was anything before.

    Source: I paid attention during my Texas History classes. (It’s an actual required class in Texas, at least when I went)

    Iamdanno ,

    They got rid of everything before the Alamo. They towed it out of the environment.

    Darukhnarn , in TIL that Mississippi did not make child-selling illegal until 2009, after a woman tried to sell her granddaughter for $2,000 and a car and it was discovered that there was no law to punish her under.

    Why isn’t something like this covered under human trafficking?

    sci ,

    from what i read in the article comments, the human trafficking law only covers trafficking across state borders

    Darukhnarn ,

    Your country is wild….

    Mister ,

    US is essentially just a compilation of 50 small countries that joined together to create a large military. Most laws are up to the states to enforce and create. Some states do a better job than others.

    Darukhnarn ,

    So is Germany, but it still works……

    Potatos_are_not_friends ,

    Yeah we know that’s why we dominate a lot of the headlines

    foksmash ,

    It also means that they didn’t have a need for such a law until 2009.

    RaivoKulli ,

    Or it just didn’t make the news

    foksmash ,

    That’s obviously the most logical reason. For decades, no, centuries there have been legions of parents selling their children in the hotspot of Mississippi. These outlaws found the loophole and it was only stopped because of a 2009 law! Fucking braindead.

    RaivoKulli ,

    Or it happened but not to that degree. It doesn’t have either or lmao

    Viking_Hippie ,

    Yeah, because if MISSISSIPPI doesn’t have a law specifically forbidding something, it’s always just because it doesn’t happen.

    In related news, the past didn’t happen.

    foksmash ,

    Jeez, the fear mongering really works on you eh?

    Viking_Hippie ,

    It’s called knowing the first thing about the history and present day of the worst state in the Union.

    Fear mongering is what GOP politicians from Mississippi and other deep red states use to retain absolute power in spite of having done a consistently piss poor job for over half a century.

    FireTower ,
    @FireTower@lemmy.world avatar

    In the US the federal government has very little power to regulate individual’s actions that power is typically reserved for the states. The federal government deals with international and interstate matters.

    So the federal government can make laws against selling people across state borders but they can not make laws against selling people within state borders. Because that power belongs to the states.

    neptune ,

    The free market has to be free /s

    WtfEvenIsExistence ,

    Both the Unionists and Confederates want the same thing, that Black People should be Free

    spoilerOne side wants freedom, the other wants wage-free labor, hence both “free”

    DharmaCurious ,
    @DharmaCurious@startrek.website avatar

    I’m sorry to undermine an important point, but how do you make a spoiler on here? I’m using Jerboa. Yours is the first spoiler tag I’ve seen. I was under the impression you couldn’t do it on Lemmy.

    WtfEvenIsExistence ,
    DharmaCurious ,
    @DharmaCurious@startrek.website avatar

    Thank you!!!

    spoilerTesting this.

    Does it work with images?

    spoilerhttps://startrek.website/pictrs/image/561562dc-f994-423e-9b69-fc825281a005.jpeg

    WtfEvenIsExistence ,

    Image seems to work on my end:

    spoilerhttps://reddthat.com/pictrs/image/00383d87-c9ff-42ba-9f0e-0388dbf28741.jpeg


    Linking to an image also works

    spoilerreddthat.com/…/00383d87-c9ff-42ba-9f0e-0388dbf287…


    Edit: I can’t see your image tho

    DharmaCurious ,
    @DharmaCurious@startrek.website avatar

    Aww. That’s a shame it’s a funny.

    Yours seem to work on my end. Lemme try again.

    spoilerhttps://startrek.website/pictrs/image/16729b94-5058-45a1-a401-bb767fa49f4a.jpeg

    WtfEvenIsExistence ,

    Guess what?

    spoilerhttps://reddthat.com/pictrs/image/bb95e9db-67bb-4b88-b17a-c1faa8fef009.jpeg


    I just pirated your meme! MUHAHAHAHA

    What are you gonna do? Throw salt at me?

    (Also idk why your instance images doesn’t show up for me)

    DharmaCurious ,
    @DharmaCurious@startrek.website avatar

    I’ll forego the salt this time, in hopes of spreading the spell.

    How did you get it if it won’t show up, though? … If you can’t tell, I don’t understand computers n shit. Lol.

    WtfEvenIsExistence ,

    I clicked “view source” and see the url and copy paste it to a new tab view it directly. I’m using browser ui btw, it might not be an option in apps.

    SeaJ ,

    Theirs works fine for me in Jerboa.

    mrvictory1 ,

    I can see your image.

    QuazarOmega ,

    Me when I’m explaining free software:

    30mag ,

    You can still get wage-free labor in the United States today, but it can only come from criminals now.

    The 13th amendment says:

    Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

    PP_BOY_ , in TIL Feminist Icon Gloria Steinem Was An Anti-Communist CIA Operative who Kept the Feminist Movement From Discussing Class; only Gender
    @PP_BOY_@lemmy.world avatar

    Try looking up the correlation between the Occupy movement in '08 and the rise in race-based discussion in the media that came right afterwards ;)

    Anticorp ,

    What are you insinuating? I’m not following.

    xanu ,

    I think they were pointing to the media trying to shift the focus to race. “You’re problem isn’t because you’re poor, it’s because of all those nasty people who are different to you”.

    Anything to prevent class consciousness and organization.

    postmateDumbass ,

    Pretty sure that was the response to Occupy rather than Occupy itself.

    Occupy was too egalitarian for comfort, too the upper crust.

    Syn_Attck , (edited )

    The upper crust and intelligence apparatus was incredibly uncomfortable with OWS for obvious reasons.

    Preface: short (2min) video of an Occupy meeting near the end www.youtube.com/watch?v=W81A1kTXPa4

    Pre-occupy, gender identity and race-based issues were known but not talked about a great deal in the public sphere. They weren’t the core identity of a large number of people, and they were something that was ‘allowed’ to be discussed without blind following or rage.

    During occupy, OWS organizers called an ‘egalitarian stance’, which was a way to reframe the available classes to fight against in class warfare, were those more privileged than you (race, gender, identity politics) instead of financial privilege. If you were a white male, whether disabled or had a speech impediment or whatever, you were more privileged than anyone and you lost your rung in the ladder, you were now the lowest class. White women were just above you. Minority groups (race and gender, poverty level not included) became the prevailing upper-class and had the most right to speak.

    OWS quickly lost momentum after a number of changes like this, and the conversation was no longer about class warfare, but about privilege, meaning only race and gender (initially). I believe there were leaked documents (unsure if verified) that the FBI was seeking, or had gained, access to OWS leadership positions. It seems obvious they would attempt it. This is something someone will have to confirm or correct me on, because a quick search isn’t pulling the documents and I need to run.

    https://lemmy.today/pictrs/image/6428326d-3f24-49a6-8fd7-1a102aacb2ca.png

    Tangentially related, because who doesn’t love graphs and data: wtfhappenedin1971.com

    Anticorp ,

    Thank you! The whole identity politics movement has always seemed to have a malicious edge to it for me. There is obvious racism built right into a movement that is supposed to be antiracism, and I feel like I’m living in crazytown that so few people seem to see it, including several people that I consider very intelligent people. For all the “progress” we’ve made over the last 2 decades, it feels like race relations are worse than they were back then. It really felt like we were close to racial blindness in the mid 2000’s, and now the agenda is to make race at the core of everyone’s identity. Anyone who speaks up about not wanting that world is berated as a bigot, and if they happen to be people of color then they’re derided as uneducated, or ignorant. It has been very frustrating trying to navigate through the current antiracism ideology. Like any good doublespeak it has positive elements to it, but the actual goals seem to be far more malicious than stated.

    masquenox ,

    It really felt like we were close to racial blindness in the mid 2000’s

    Liberalism doesn’t cure white supremacism, liberal.

    Natanael ,

    Highlighting differences triggers a psychological instinct in many people to see somebody with different traits as “the others”. That’s the reason I’ve been bothered by it too.

    Intersectionalism should’ve stayed an academic topic, because we need people to figure out who is hurt the most by what and where so that nobody’s case is forgotten, but making it part of people’s identity makes people divide themselves. The public focus should’ve been on policy and inclusion.

    HeyThisIsntTheYMCA ,
    @HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world avatar

    You must have lived somewhere different than me in the mid 2000’s

    Anticorp ,

    Probably. Do you think that race relations are better now than they were then?

    HeyThisIsntTheYMCA ,
    @HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world avatar

    So I moved from an extremely racist shithole to a much less racist area in the aughts. That’s pretty much my perspective. I couldn’t compare much because literally I’m not being woken up by racial slurs every morning anymore. I may be an outlier if you think you’re trying to prove something.

    Anticorp ,

    In my experience racist places are even more racist now. Of course all of this is subjective, and not substantiated by data. But even just reading the news these days seems to substantiate my experience. Congratulations on getting away from the shit hole you were in back then!

    HeyThisIsntTheYMCA ,
    @HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world avatar

    Congratulations on getting away from the shit hole you were in back then!

    Thanks. It feels weird sometimes. I haven’t even been invited to a book burning in over a decade and I’m wondering if I don’t fit in.

    masquenox ,

    Riiight… it cannot possibly be the white supremacism that’s so fundamental to US society - it must be the Alphabet agencies!

    dlpkl ,

    The white supremacists are willing idiots. I don’t doubt they were leveraged to inflame race relations, same way Russia took advantage of the BLM movement to create division.

    Sgn ,

    how did russia use blm to their advantage?

    dlpkl , (edited )

    …m.wikipedia.org/…/Russia_and_Black_Lives_Matter

    Edit: just in case it needs to be explained, any infighting amongst their enemies is advantageous to Russia.

    Sgn ,

    I wonder if russia might be doing the same thing with pro Palestine activism?

    dlpkl ,

    I don’t think they need to do much at the moment lol

    masquenox ,

    same way Russia took advantage of the BLM movement to create division.

    You cannot divide that which has already been divided, liberal.

    dlpkl ,

    Tankie detected. Opinion: disregarded

    masquenox ,

    Oh look… a liberal that doesn’t know what the term “tankie” means.

    And like all liberals, you are desperate to hide how comfortable you are with white supremacism.

    Yawn.

    dlpkl ,

    Nobody cares.

    masquenox ,

    I guess all the people protesting the genocide in Gaza is also just a sign of “foreign agents” infiltrating the US?

    Liberalism really is a gross thing.

    Natanael ,

    So you’re bad at reading too

    masquenox ,

    Having a hard time understanding the bizarre pretzel-logic peddled by liberals does not constitute a failing on my part.

    Natanael ,

    You’re the one creating the pretzels

    masquenox ,

    Again (for the terminally bewildered) - having a hard time understanding the bizarre pretzel-logic peddled by liberals does not constitute a failing on my part.

    assassin_aragorn ,

    And non-white liberals? Are they simply self hating, because they disagree with you?

    Frankly, at this point, I find the concept of you being a leftist utterly laughable. You’re indistinguishable from a conservative cosplaying as a “leftist” to show how rude and insensible they are.

    That kind of has a nice ring to it actually. I’ll be seeing you around, conservative.

    masquenox ,

    And non-white liberals?

    You got me there - but, I’m afraid, not for the reason you think.

    In fact… the term “white liberal” is pretty much redundant. And I’m not even close to being the first person to figure that out.

    There’s a good reason leftists say, “kill the liberal inside your own head.”

    Veedem , in TIL about "Swill milk" where cows were fed distillery waste causing cow teeth rot and disease. It was also adulterated with raw eggs, burn sugar, etc. Swill milk lead to over 8,000 infant's deaths
    @Veedem@lemmy.world avatar

    Libertarians will tell you that even this isn’t cause for government regulation and that the market will weed out the bad businesses by not buying their product.

    That’s because the market is babies and they’d all be dead, Jim!

    Plopp ,

    No no, this was caused by regulation! Just simply too much regulation. Poor regulated cows. :(

    InfiniteFlow , in TIL that a bunch of medieval manuscripts featured illustrations of knights fighting giant snails, and no one knows why
    @InfiniteFlow@lemmy.world avatar
    Hubi ,
    @Hubi@lemmy.world avatar

    That’s the kind of thing I doodle in my notepad when I’m bored during a call.

    NekoRogue ,

    I’m concerned.

    SpaceNoodle ,

    I’m aroused.

    NekoRogue ,

    I’m concerned again.

    SpaceNoodle ,

    Stop. I can only get so erect.

    lemmie689 ,
    @lemmie689@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    Ahhh…this explains the rabbit in Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

    doctorcrimson ,

    The snails also explain an odd event in Runescape while doing the Temple Trekking minigame. Now that I think it, Runescape also has a historically accurate fascination with Brassicas like Cabbages, which would correlate with a historically accurate aversion to snails.

    Klear ,

    That movie is shockingly historically accurate.

    ElBarto ,
    @ElBarto@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Imagine getting beaten with a stick by a rabbit as his friend robs you, while your friend draws it for historical archive.

    jordanlund ,
    @jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

    He’s not robbing the guy, he’s peeling the skin off his foot(!)

    ElBarto ,
    @ElBarto@sh.itjust.works avatar

    he’s peeling the skin off his foot

    To which he has no ownership of, so he is still robbing him, just not for material objects.

    HerbalGamer ,
    @HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Oh that’s much better.

    thanksforallthefish ,

    Hmm, any connection to the “lucky rabbit’s foot” thing, or is tgat a modern invention ?

    jordanlund ,
    @jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

    Ooh, that’s a good point!

    Origins apparently go back to 600 BC:

    todayifoundout.com/…/rabbits-foot-considered-luck…

    jaybone ,

    “Did you get a good look at the suspects?”

    “Not really. But fortunately my manuscript illustrator was there.”

    jaybone ,

    So they fuck the rabbits and fight the snails?

    Ibaudia , in TIL that some people do not have an inner voice and think in different nonverbal ways.
    @Ibaudia@lemmy.world avatar

    I’m one of the 5-10%. I always sucked at verbal memory tasks. Didn’t know some people have an real, interpretable internal monologue until a few years ago. I thought thinking nonverbally was the default. I even specifically remember watching shows and movies where you listen to a character’s internal internal monologue and thinking “this is dumb, that’s not how thinking works”. Turns out it is, and I’m just in the minority! Now I make an effort to manually start an internal monologue when I’m doing anything that requires a lot of verbal processing, like listening to instructions at work. It helps, but I can still tell that I have a deficit compared to most people when it comes to those things.

    Schmoo ,

    Your anecdote seems to support that it’s a learned behavior/skill, which tracks for me. I have a very active internal dialogue that’s difficult to turn off. I say dialogue instead of monologue because I often make up “other voices” that bounce ideas off each other, and this generally happens without my conscious effort. I think I developed this because as I was growing up I was encouraged to pray regularly, and I was very fanatically religious as a kid so I did so as often as I could. I prayed silently so often in fact that my thoughts were basically a constant one-sided monologue directed to god. Whenever I would daydream or let my imagination wander I would imagine god responding, and eventually the constant monologue became a dialogue. I would work out problems or make decisions by having conversations with an imaginary god. When I stopped believing in god the second voice never went away, I just started recognizing it as my own.

    Ibaudia ,
    @Ibaudia@lemmy.world avatar

    Okay, now I have to know if religious individuals are more likely to have an inner voice. That just makes sense!!!

    Schmoo ,

    Perhaps! I also think internal monologues can develop just from learning to read and write silently. Having an inner voice makes it easier to absorb the information in a book or to plan out your writing in advance.

    Buelldozer ,
    @Buelldozer@lemmy.today avatar

    Having an inner voice makes it easier to absorb the information in a book

    I think all of our brains are wired different and the different wiring leads to advantages in one thing but it’s probably a disadvantage for others. For instance I have no inner voice but my reading speed, with comprehension, is well faster than nearly anyone I’ve ever met. I can even sometimes recall precisely where on a page a given word or phrase was located, even years after reading the material. However I’m almost entirely unable to imagine a 3 dimensional object and rotate it in my “minds eye”.

    Schmoo ,

    That does make me wonder if maybe I use my inner voice as a bit of a crutch when I’m reading, but I think it helps me infer tone and get immersed in what I’m reading. Perhaps I am sacrificing some reading speed but I do believe it helps me with comprehension and memory.

    Though I will add that it’s more the concepts that I remember than the words themselves. Give me a quote and I couldn’t tell you what page and where on the page it was, but I could tell you what was happening in that scene, what happened before and after, what the character was feeling and why they said it, who they said it to and so on.

    Aceticon ,

    I have an inner voice but I don’t use it when I’m reading, which is maybe why I am a very fast reader.

    I tend to use it when pondering on things. That said I just noticed that when composing and cross-checking this text for posting, I also used it.

    Curiously, nowadays my inner voice is not just in my own mothertongue but can be in just about any of the languages I know enough for basic conversation. It’s probably related to, because my foreign language skills are so advanced (I can speak about 7 languages) that I’ve long stopped translating to my native tongue in my mind and concepts just translate directly from those foreign languages. Also, I’ve lived in a couple of countries and as I would eventually end up mainly speaking the local language, my inner voice would also, eventually, end up also using that language.

    MeThisGuy ,

    very interesting because I moved back to my home country 5 yrs ago after living abroad for 24. still think in my secondary language after being alone with my thoughts long enough

    Aceticon ,

    Yeah, I have a similar experience of still thinking in a foreign language even though I’ve been back in my homeland for years after 2 decades abroad.

    I suspect my thinking language still being generally English is probably because I keep getting exposed to English-language media. I’ve noticed that, for example, if I think about my time living in The Netherlands or are exposed to Dutch-language media, my thinking often switches to Dutch.

    Today ,

    Same on remembering exactly where i read something. I used to be a fast reader - out of practice. Maybe it’s being able to skim instead of hearing every word?

    grrgyle ,

    Whoaaaa that’s so interesting. I grew up silently praying in the daily as well, and also tend to have dialogues going on in my head. Also a stream of unsolicited advice, which is less pleasant… But I’d probably miss it if it went away.

    Schmoo ,

    Learning to get over religious shame and guilt took quite some time for me, and I still have to catch myself sometimes when an inner voice says things I no longer believe/agree with. Part of getting over that meant cultivating other voices. When one voice bites another bites back lol.

    As a plus I’m very good in a debate.

    MeThisGuy ,

    like the devil and the angle on each shoulder type thing?

    lagomorphlecture ,

    There’s actually a theory that back in ye olden times when inner monologues first started, people thought it was God talking to them because it was a new phenomenon and that didn’t have any way to understand that it was some kind of evolution of consciousness, not a god.

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    Yeah Jensen’s work. It is mostly considered pseudoscience today but there some who think it has value.

    Zetaphor ,
    @Zetaphor@zemmy.cc avatar

    I mean the NVIDIA stock price speaks for itself, I think Jensen is onto something

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    Ha! Good one.

    On a serious note here are the issues

    • He can’t explain how the event impacted the rest of the world. Only a fraction of the human race was there. How does he explain China for example?
    • We already know that meta-cognition isn’t limited to humans. A rat that knows where food is vs ones that do not engage in different behaviors.
    • He can’t explain the almost superhuman reflex speeds some people have in modern times under his model.

    I do agree some of it rings true. Just very hard to pin down what exactly.

    mrcleanup ,

    I am trying to wrap my head around this. So if you are just walking down the street alone, watching cars go by, not reading, there a voice? What would it even be saying?

    Schmoo ,

    Yes, multiple voices, probably debating what I’m going to cook for dinner later. At this point I might be going a bit too far anthropomorphizing the voices, it’s not like actual separate personalities, they’re all me. It’s more like perspective taking. I’m engaging in a conversation with myself and the different voices will take different stances. For example I might have a “lazy voice” that just wants to eat leftovers and a “craving voice” that wants to cook tacos. I decide what to do by having the voices hash it out.

    As I’m describing this it all sounds very intentional and like I’m playing pretend, but it really is just automatic.

    mrcleanup ,

    I guess I have something similar, but it’s all just nonverbal feelings. I don’t argue with myself about getting up in the morning, I just feel comfortable, lazy, frustrated, determined, and rarely tell myself “get up” but that’s the only voice part.

    Elextra ,

    TIL. I’m one of the 5-10% as well!! I have not noticed a deficit in verbal memory… I’m more interested reading the comments and learning today that people have inner voices?!?

    lagomorphlecture ,

    Yes! You’ve seen TV shows where people are thinking words in their heads or whatever…based on reality!

    Today ,

    I think of cartoons - some people have word bubbles for ideas - some of us just have a lightbulb.

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    Basically if I know you well I hear your voice in my head argue for a pov I know you hold. If you are say a safety-first kinda guy I will hear you lecture me when I am not being safe. I got a committee arguing all the time and I admit it sometimes becomes hard to remember if I mentioned X to my mental version of someone or the real someone.

    Yes I am aware that the voices I hear are not real. It is just the way my brain is presenting information to itself. Like writing down notes in different colored inks. It is all the same letters and words but with an added change.

    lagomorphlecture ,

    “It helps, but I can still tell that I have a deficit compared to most people when it comes to those things.”

    I was totally gonna ask you about this until I got to the end! It seems like thinking without any kind of internal monologue would be incredibly abstract which might be good for some things but it would probably suck ass for trying to remember or understand extremely detailed instructions and things like that! I’m so curious what it’s like to think the way you do and I wish I could flip a switch for a little bit to experience it because it’s kind of hard to really imagine what I would be like.

    Ibaudia ,
    @Ibaudia@lemmy.world avatar

    It’s strange because while we can use words to describe our thought processes, understanding how someone else thinks isn’t really possible since we only have one frame of reference (our own minds) and words can only go so far in describing cognition. We can only observe differences in task performance and speculate as to the underlying causes on a cognitive level, maybe make some correlations here and there in the process. So weird!

    troglodytis ,

    You get to think in ways that other people can’t. You actually have a super power. Don’t sleep on that! You rock

    multifariace ,

    I’m with you. Your movie reference really helped solidify it. I assumed I was one of the lonely minds, but this made it clear.

    Some things that seem associated with this are my constant cravings for social interaction and intellectual conversation. I can’t give it to myself. I have never understood how people can just do nothing. I never had an invisible friend as a kid. There are many things people say and do that could be explained by having personal voices. There are many struggles with communicating to others that have already had a conversation with themselves before I can share a full thought.

    Today ,

    I drive my office mates crazy because the thoughts in my head just come out of my mouth, especially if I’m bored or nervous.

    gravitas_deficiency ,

    It’s a two-edged sword. Sometimes it can be really mean to you :(

    theKalash , in TIL the german chancellor takes screenshots of his tweets on X and publishes it on his website because X is now a closed system.

    tweets were on twitter.

    On X it’s called x-crements.

    giant_smeeg ,

    X-eets and x-itter.

    Use the Chinese pronunciation

    Xariphon , in TIL that In 2018, A hacker broke into people’s routers (100,000 of them) and patched their vulnerabilities up so that they couldn’t be abused by other hackers.

    This might be the most Chaotic Good thing I've ever seen.

    billwashere , in TIL that John Lennon's son had to buy back postcards sent to him by his father from his widow Yoko Ono

    Because Yoko Ono is a cunt. And I hate that word but completely describes her.

    Yes I know John was very emotionally, mentally, and physically abusive to her.

    HawlSera ,

    I mean, I don’t usually blame the victim, especially not in cases of domestic violence… but… she IS Yoko Ono

    Smoogs ,

    Please don’t encourage violence. DA is not a joke. It’s not funny.nor is it retribution. If you believe this please get some anger management in your life.

    Rachelhazideas , (edited )

    I don’t know much about their family history. What did Yoko Ono do that warranted the domestic abuse?

    Edit: Yeesh don’t know why people are getting angry over a genuine question. I don’t know much about celebrities and just asking why people here feel that her abuse was justified.

    Stern ,
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    And you sound like a total dick. FYI

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  • Armen12 ,

    They just asked a question, no need to be an ass about it

    IveGotRedOnMe ,

    Why don’t you give us some examples of things that would warrant domestic abuse and we’ll try to find out if Yoko did them.

    Rachelhazideas ,

    Nothing warrants domestic abuse because two wrongs don’t make one right. I’m asking why people here feel otherwise.

    CADmonkey ,

    What did Yoko Ono do that warranted the domestic abuse?

    Nothing. Nobody “deserves” domestic abuse, if you feel like you need to hit your spouse out of anger it’s probably best to just exit the relationship.

    I apologize that this may not be a good answer. I don’t know Yoko Ono and don’t know much about her, but nobody deserves domestic violence.

    Rachelhazideas ,

    I think people are misunderstanding my question. See: lemmy.world/comment/3216636

    archiotterpup ,

    She burnt the roast. POW! Right in the kisser.

    15liam20 ,

    I mean, if you’re going to shoot someone five times, surely you have a bullet to spare.

    novibe ,

    John Lennon was abusive to his first wife, not Yoko.

    foggianism ,

    Australians wouldn’t agree with you on your stance on Yoko. She’s too bad of a person.

    billwashere ,

    From what I’ve seen I envy Australians on their creative uses of that word.

    But it’s seems as if it’s usually not really a derogatory term there.

    CADmonkey ,

    “He’s a good cunt”

    whostosay ,

    Vs. She’s a right cunt

    ephemeral_gibbon ,

    It’s both. The way the first commenter used it was unambiguously “they’re a fucking shit person”. There has to be a qualifier for it to be positive.

    OscarRobin ,

    Depends on how it’s said and any adjectives.

    yata ,

    Yes I know John was very emotionally, mentally, and physically abusive to her.

    Then you know wrong, because he wasn’t.

    MaxVoltage , in TIL: The average single male changes his sheets just four times a year.
    @MaxVoltage@lemmy.world avatar

    I didn’t even know that was a thing until recently. I thought the bedsheets just stayed until you moved

    Guildo ,

    broooooo

    pseudo ,
    @pseudo@lemmy.world avatar

    this is the way

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