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Kolanaki , in TIL the first Star Wars movie (A New Hope) was actually made after a book adaptation, which means Star Wars hype is technically literary-based in nature
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I brought this up the other day and was schooled by the fact George Lucas only started making this claim after the second movie came out, and that this is actually BS. Like the same way Louis CK says that Dennis Leary stole his idea for the song “I’m an Asshole.”

shinigamiookamiryuu OP ,

The claim about the book’s pre-existence or about it having a bigger role in the conceptualization of the Star Wars tradition than it had?

phoneymouse , in TIL the first Star Wars movie (A New Hope) was actually made after a book adaptation, which means Star Wars hype is technically literary-based in nature

What?

themeatbridge ,

George Lucas wrote the screenplay. He shared the screenplay with a ghost writer, Alan Dean Foster, who wrote a novelization of the screenplay. In parallel to the book being written, Lucas made the film. The book was published before the movie was released.

It’s really an interesting part of the Star Wars history, because Lucas made changes and rewrites during the filmmaking process, and Foster took some minor liberties while adapting the original screenplay. Foster also published his own sequel to A New Hope which had nothing to do with The Empire Strikes Back.

I don’t know what this title is supposed to be about, but it seems like they are trying to say that the movies are all based on a book, which isn’t true. Lucas did not consult with Foster about changes to the movie, and filming was mostly complete by the time the book was published.

shinigamiookamiryuu OP ,

Once again here to say I’m not saying the movie is based on the book. I, like you, just thought it was fascinating it turned out this way, and that we could wonder if the book is technically considered the beginning of Star Wars mania.

themeatbridge ,

It is a fascinating story, but no, the book was not the beginning of the mania because the book did not sell well at all in advance of the movie. Movies always boost book sales, but the novelization of A New Hope had almost no sales until two months after the movie came out.

Dasus ,

No, it isn’t, since the screenplay the book was based on existed before, and that’s what George used for the movie; his own screenplay, not a book written based on his screenplay.

Bob1971 ,

As for me personally, The book absolutely caused me and the wife to be there in line that Friday night when the movie finally came out Summer of '77. I don't think it opened in May at my local theater. Did I mention there was a line? Did I mention there was a table full of merchandise? I should have got the t-shirt!
Edit, Luke had an older brother in the book. Must have been cut out of the movie.

pwnicholson ,
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That used to be really common. Movie novelizations would come out before the movie, along with soundtracks, etc. It was part of the promotional campaign.

TechNerdWizard42 , in TIL: How The IMF and World Bank Debt Trap Countries and Force them into Austerity

Very good for you to learn.

When you’re ready for the next step, you may want to process why the leaders of these institutions (the West) are so hell bent on preventing China from both gifting and loaning across the world for their projects… This is how to start to see past the propagandist lies and see the truth. It’s all about profits.

Maultasche , in TIL the first Star Wars movie (A New Hope) was actually made after a book adaptation, which means Star Wars hype is technically literary-based in nature

The book actually features a backstory pretty close to the Prequels with Senator Palpatine using the “massive organs of commerce” to gain power and become president of the Republic.

The biggest difference is that by the time of the book, he’s pretty much a puppet to people like Tarkin.

shinigamiookamiryuu OP ,

All I wanna know is, was he Sheev back then?

Maultasche ,

That name came after the Disney takeover and the continuity reboot.

shinigamiookamiryuu OP ,

I thought Sheev was named for the prequels. I could’ve sworn they even made light of his name in the Robot Chicken specials.

Maultasche ,

The name was created for a book that came out in late 2014 after the reset. In the original EU no one knew his first name.

PlasticExistence ,

I could be mistaken because I haven’t read the book in a couple years now, but I believe the Darth Plagueis novel from 2012 gave us Palpatine’s first name.

Maultasche ,

It first appeared in Tarkin by the same author. The Darth Plague is novel just mentions why he doesn’t use his first name but but what it is.

PlasticExistence ,

Tarkin was 2014, Plagueis was 2012 according to Wookiepedia

Maultasche ,

Plagueis is pre-continuity reboot and has no first name, Tarkin is post-reboot and has the name.

dabu , in TIL the first Star Wars movie (A New Hope) was actually made after a book adaptation, which means Star Wars hype is technically literary-based in nature
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But the novel is based on a screenplay so…

halcyoncmdr ,
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The title is very specific, and doesn’t claim the movie is based on the novel despite that clearly being what they’re trying to really claim.

The order was screenplay > book > movie, but the writing was screenplay > book and screenplay > movie. The book and movie aren’t actually related, other than the underlying screenplay they both use. The Fandom wiki page linked literally says:

It adapts the film of the same name, and it was based on the screenplay by Lucas.

“which means Star Wars hype is technically literary-based in nature”

With this logic, all movies are literary-based since all movies are created from screenplays.

shinigamiookamiryuu OP ,

I wasn’t trying to claim the movie was based on a book (not sure where that’s coming from), just that the book’s status as coming before the movie in terms of release has the weird effect of implying the hype train could’ve begun with a book and that one could argue Star Wars is technically a book series first, even if it’s a movie tradition first.

Like imagine back then any Lord-of-the-Rings-type discussions that could’ve played out, a la “did you see this movie, it’s awesome” followed by “yeah, but did you read the book?”

Blue_Morpho ,

“implying the hype train could’ve begun with a book”

But it didn’t. Yet your title wasn’t posed as a hypothetical but as a fact.

shinigamiookamiryuu OP ,

You say that like the title ever claimed the movie was actually based on the book.

shinigamiookamiryuu OP ,

True, I just find it fascinating the movies have this large orbit of devotion, and then you have this book that could’ve put everyone on the hype train a few months early.

halcyoncmdr ,
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I’m sure there are some people that saw the book first. The back cover literally said it was being made into a motion picture, so clearly the publication was meant to at least partially hype the movie.

George Lucas had a true stroke of brilliance to embrace the merchandise aspects of what Star Wars could make. The thought of merchandising movies wasn’t really a thing at the time, and it’s one of the main reasons he made so much money from Star Wars, he wanted the “worthless” merchandising rights that the studios were willing to give up easily. A ghostwritten novel listing him as the writer based on his screenplay releasing a year ahead of the movie could have been the very first thing he did with that merchandising right.

delirious_owl , (edited ) in TIL: How The IMF and World Bank Debt Trap Countries and Force them into Austerity
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Highly recommend the book Confessions of an Economic Hit Man.

Should be required reading in all the rich countries that give these loans to poor countries.

tenchiken , in TIL: How The IMF and World Bank Debt Trap Countries and Force them into Austerity

youtu.be/Gfcfdt0jcWs

They’ve always been evil

K1nsey6 , in TIL: How The IMF and World Bank Debt Trap Countries and Force them into Austerity
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They are the ultimate vulture capitalists

Nacktmull , in TIL: How The IMF and World Bank Debt Trap Countries and Force them into Austerity
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A very important topic that way too little people know about. This documentary shows the strategy of the IMF and the consequences for the population, on the example of Jamaica:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_and_Debt

bahbah23 , in TIL that science does still not fully understand how cycling works
Laser ,

That’s reflected in the linked article:

First, we know the reason a bike will continue on its path isn’t just because of the force of momentum pushing it there. We know that because if you lock a bicycle’s handlebars so that they can’t turn, then the bike falls over, regardless of how fast it’s moving. So part of this riderless bike phenomenon has to do with its self-steering properties.

bahbah23 ,

Thanks, I didn’t make it that far into the article before giving up on it. It’s still a weirdly sensational article, and the video I linked mentions that bikes are specifically engineered. The principles for why a bike stays up are well known and not a mystery of science.

werefreeatlast , in TIL: How DuPont Knowingly Poisoned Americans With PFAS For Over 50 Years

Regardless of how they screwed up, the PFOAS should not be banned. They should be restricted to uses that require the material for national defense and for technology development. There’s stuff that PFOAS can do that not much else can. For example cooking utensils are a dumb use, but components for machines that make cars or solar panels. For example capacitors need the material because it has a high voltage breakdown. Smart uses, not stupid wasteful and polluting uses.

fritobugger2017 ,

Uncontrolled discharge of waste in all uses is a major issue for all PFOAs though and I am not sure that there is anyway to handle the waste that it doesn’t get back into the environment.

werefreeatlast ,

It’s actually very simple. Waste management is expensive, so pass that expense on to the technology that needs PFOAS. If they do that by law requirement, then the problem will correct itself because it would be too expensive to use on stupid things like cooking pots.

ChaosCoati , in TIL: There is a species of penguin that lives in the southern point of Africa. (African penguin (Spheniscus demersus), also known as Cape penguin or South African penguin.)
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TetraVega , in TIL: How DuPont Knowingly Poisoned Americans With PFAS For Over 50 Years

How dare they do what they are incentivized to do

unreasonabro , (edited )

The thing is you’re absolutely right, it’s not the fault of business that they’re allowed to run rampant and that the system is gameable. It’s kinda their fault that they’re so good at lying and then supporting those lies through lobbying for wrongheaded/poor/ignorant/laughable legislation, but it’s simply the clever thing to do in the situation.

No, it’s the situation that needs to change. The government which allows them to govern themselves with revolving doors and without oversight is the real problem. The justices who put their own interests before their job. The stock market which eventually requires the enshittification of everything, and which does not allow the company to take the correct course. And the politicians, who either knew or had already abdicated their responsibilities, and so let them do it anyway, from plastics recycling to PFAS to climate change - it’s all lies, all the time and too little, too late.

Let’s replace them all with AI. At least it just hallucinates. It’s not yet established itself to be reliably malevolent, and maybe if we get rid of all these shitheads pumping out bad information and bullshit simply to cover their own asses, it’ll start getting better information and hallucinate less, who knows, at least it won’t be actively trying to wipe us all out so we don’t figure out what it’s been up to.

TetraVega ,

Yeah. The system as it stands is unbelievably destructive and oppressive. But you don’t have any incentive to make it better without stepping outside of it or drastically changing it.

So I’ll just make snide, unhelpful comments on socmed and call it good lol

NegativeLookBehind , in TIL: There is a species of penguin that lives in the southern point of Africa. (African penguin (Spheniscus demersus), also known as Cape penguin or South African penguin.)
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https://i.imgur.com/p26rT3j.jpeg

I went there and saw them!

Catoblepas , in TIL: There is a species of penguin that lives in the southern point of Africa. (African penguin (Spheniscus demersus), also known as Cape penguin or South African penguin.)

Watch some older documentaries and you can hear them being called jackass penguins, because their calls are very reminiscent of donkeys braying.

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