Microsoft in their infinite wisdom has replaced the Hide Desktop icon with Copilot.

Engywuck , 4 months ago

Switch to Linux!

As a Linux user myself, let me tell you that telling people what they should/must do this is how you make people plainly ignore you and think you’re just an annoying person.

People will keep using what works for them, be it Windows/Linux/MacOS even if with minor inconveniences. Same goes for browsers/services/etc…

AVincentInSpace , 4 months ago

“Microsoft continually makes their OS worse, but every time they do, Linux users come into the comment section telling me I should switch, so I’m not going to.”

dependencyinjection , 4 months ago

The thing is, is that it really doesn’t affect people in the way you guys seem to imagine.

I’ve used Linux, MacOS, and Windows. Currently use Windows for work as a C# . net, SQL / GraphQL, and React TypeScript developer and although I was shocked they’re all pro windows, coming from MacOS. Once you get used to it you don’t really notice the shit stuff as you just do what you’re doing.

I would still rate my experiences in this order though: MacOS, Linux, Windows. Best to worst, but like I said even though in now use the worst in my opinion it really doesn’t have much of an impact. Plus if I were to use Linux I’d need to geek out and waste so much time configuring it and I’m past that stage.

BananaTrifleViolin , 4 months ago

I work in healthcate and use windows, at work and at home if I need to do work related stuff. I don’t mind windows at work as it’s been configured for the purpose and all the shitty bits are switched off - something Microsoft let’s it’s business users do. It’s a decent operating system when it’s set up to do what it needs to do, and I’m very familiar with it from using it since Windows 95.

I used to use windows at home and had Linux for occasional interest. But in the last few years I’ve moved away from windows and now I’m on Linux as my main driver on multiple devices.

For home users Windows is getting pretty shitty - it steals data all the time with numerous privacy settings you have to set to try and stop it, it tries to force you ads, it tries to force you to use its Web browser, it bundles lots of sponsored apps and when it does a big update it resets alot of your choices on privacy plus reinstalls removed bundle apps. It also throws new “features” at you which take up resources and impact privacy. Like Xbox gaming - I didn’t ask for it, I don’t want it, stop installing it every year and stop forcing an overlay on my own games.

It’s really a chore to use windows now; it feels like a constant battle to make sure it’s not intruding on your data and privacy or showing you ads. I now use windows as the exception when there is a specific game that doesn’t work in Linux. The rest of the time I boot into Linux, or use a separate work provided Windows device for home working.

I know it’s probably a case of “who asked” but I guess I just mean I get that windows can be decent for work related stuff (or necessary) but when it comes to personal stuff it’s a bit of a nightmare. And I guess it also comes down to whether the privacy invasion and advertising bothers users. Bothers me a lot, but some people don’t seem to care how the customer has become the product.

MonkeMischief , 4 months ago

I know it’s probably a case of “who asked”

No, no. You’re welcome here too and your experience is really helpful to share, and also helps to dispell this idea that all Linux users are basement geeks pushing a software cult LOL.

I’m the same way, right there with you. I loved classic Windows for decades. My real last straw was when I was helping my sister with a reinstall and discovered firsthand how pushy they were being with forcing a Microsoft Account.

“Oh no problem, you just have to disable WiFi completely via the switch, otherwise it’ll complain that you need an internet connection, so then you need to try three times unsuccessfully on purpose and THEN it’ll let you make a local account.”

“Ok they don’t do that anymore, now you need to use a keyboard shortcut to open a CMD prompt, disable a service…”

It’s completely blunt anymore how Microsoft feels about customers: They think we’re stupid cattle they’ve been raising since the 90’s to “click OK” and make accounts for anything they want. I wish they weren’t so right…

Since then, I found terminal stuff to actually be fun and at least Linux feels like it’s MY machine, not like I paid $100+ for a license key to rent their software that always begs me for more and rats on me at every turn.

But yeah, “just switch” isn’t helping anyone. We need to guide and support more people into it

fishos , 4 months ago

Most people don’t care because most of your problems are all privacy related. And that’s what Linux people don’t seem to get. They rant and rave about how much better Linux is… for privacy. But the average Joe doesn’t know or care that data is being collected and for the most part it doesn’t affect them. It’s just some Boogeyman being thrown at them. What they care about is ease of use and convience. They don’t dig into those details because, for the most part, they’re not even aware.

When Linux people say it’s a “better experience”, they largely mean detailed customization and more privacy.

When Windows people say it’s a “better experience”, they mostly mean that it’s the same relatively easy to use experience on every device and it Just Works®.

They’re both right. But each side argues their side of the conversation not seeing that the other side has a perfectly justified use case for theirs. It’s like arguing that everyone should drive a van and not understanding why someone might not want one.

tabular , 4 months ago

Ask most people if they’re okay with the government installing cameras/microphones in their own home. If someone says they’re sincerely okay with that then hopefully we can agree there is a difference between having a preference and not understanding what is in their own best interests. I draw the line further; the same applies for privacy of your own computing.

TheFonz , 4 months ago

Get AutoCAD on Linux and I’m there buddy. Some of us need to work.

Zetta , 4 months ago

True, the biggest sore points of Linux is Windows software support. This probably won’t work for you because you seem to use AutoCAD for work, but for me I was able to just find alternatives to programs that were not available anymore when I switched to Linux.

TheFonz , 4 months ago

For sure. I would love to ditch Autocad, but that would require me convincing my entire industry. I hate AutoCAD.

unionagainstdhmo , 4 months ago

Industry Standard software is just a fancy way of saying “Monopoly”

TheFonz , 4 months ago

Sure, but it’s also not easy to pivot an entire workforce to a new software platform. I work in architecture and the industry on a whole runs on the smallest possible margins and is managed by boomers that can barely mark up a pdf.

MonkeMischief , 4 months ago

…that can barely mark up a pdf.

This seems to suggest they can download, locate, possibly extract, and then open one.

I’m genuinely awe struck. Yours are practically self-reliant compared to ours! :(

ChaoticNeutralCzech , 4 months ago

It’s OK if it’s FOSS. Imagine if Adobe Acrobat was FOSS and PDF was an open standard - it would have double the features and 10 times less suck.

unionagainstdhmo , 4 months ago

PDFs have been an open standard since 2008.

refurbishedrefurbisher , 4 months ago

Autodesk is the only entity who would be able to do that, due to the code being proprietary.

Not impossible to happen, though. Autodesk already has Maya available for Linux.

Obviously there are alternatives like FreeCAD, but alternatives aren’t always an option.

Also, while AutoCAD might not work right now, WINE is getting better rapidly, and, while not guaranteed, it (along with Adobe programs) could theoretically work in the future without them needing to port the software. Of course, the companies porting the software would be the preferred solution here.

I’m personally not a fan of relying on proprietary technology for work, but most people are not in control of what their boss says they have to use, and the concept of proprietary “industry standards” continues to be a thing, partly due to lobbying and giving free copies to educators (Autodesk. Adobe, Apple, Google, and Microsoft are all very guilty of this). Unfortunately, I don’t see that changing soon.

TheFonz , 4 months ago

I’m curious what their reason for porting Maya was? That’s really interesting.

refurbishedrefurbisher , 4 months ago

Likely because of the use of Linux (and historically UNIX with SGI workstations) in Hollywood for CG artists.

Alborlin , 4 months ago

Hell forget about AutoCAD, what about word and EXCEL. now you and Linux dudebros will tell me there are alternatives on Linux like libre office and what not. To them I say this

1. Make a document in libreoffice , try to save it as docx and see what says libreoffice, or make a doc in word and adjust formatting, try to open same doc in libre office and see what shit show it becomes
2. Hand down no body can beat ms excel, on multiple platforms, the versality is not just complex formulas but functions like xlookup, index match , combined with VBA scripting with formulas that can low-key fight python , power tables are unparalleled, if you can replicate these without A SINGLE COMMAND line input for dumb users like us That would the win.

refurbishedrefurbisher , 4 months ago

1. Blame Microsoft for not conforming to their own standard. There’s a reason the EU uses ODF instead of the mess that is OOXML. Different versions of MS Office aren’t even fully compatible with each other. Also nowadays, you can use Office 365 in a web browser. For desktop, there is LibreOffice and OnlyOffice, which have okay compatibility. MS Office can also open ODF files, as is legally mandated by the EU, since it would be considered anticompetative if they didn’t.
2. I don’t use those functions of Excel, so I can’t comment. Also to be clear, are you asking if you can program without a Terminal? I’m not even sure what the question is. VBA is a proprietary Microsoft-specific scripting language, so of course there won’t be native support for that in non-Windows OSs, although there might be a reverse engineering effort I’m not familiar with.

Blaming Linux for a problem that Microsoft caused and won’t solve due to anticompetative practices is just dumb. Microsoft basically invented the concept of Embrace, Extend, extinguish, and Office is a prime example of that.

Engywuck , 4 months ago (edited 4 months ago)

People don’t switch just because of some minor inconvenience (as if Linux didn’t have any…) and outside of Lemmy/the Fediverse echo chamber very few people are concerned about privacy. They will switch (maybe) if the new tool works better for them than thge previous one. Otherwise, why should they bother? Linux is my primary OS since many years, but it isn’t everybody’s cup of tea.

whynotzoidberg , 4 months ago

This echo chamber gets LOUD, too!

Contend6248 , 4 months ago

I for one enjoy salty Microsoft tears, just makes me feel better with my choice completely ditching them.

Keep 'em coming.

AVincentInSpace , 4 months ago

Literally what? I’m a Linux user bro

Contend6248 , 4 months ago

It wasn’t directed to you, it is directed to people constantly crying about their choice

kronarbob , 4 months ago

Maybe they are not Linux users, maybe they are Microsoft employees trying to keep you on Windows by making Linux users look obnoxious.

index , 4 months ago

I’m gonna keep eating unhealthy food in large quantities, nobody should tell me what to do or what works for me…

Engywuck , 4 months ago (edited 4 months ago)

Hey, just keep doing whatever you want. Just rest assured that virtually everybody is going to plainly and silently ignore you.

Drummyralf , 4 months ago

Exactly. As a musician many paid music plugins simply don’t work on Linux because of all the installers attached to them. Also, I design with the Adobe suite for my work, also not viable on Linux (I believe?). I would love to use Linux, but for my needs it’s simply a no go.This is what annoys me about all the “just use linux” comments. There are usecases where it’s simply not an option.

refurbishedrefurbisher , 4 months ago

I’ve gotten every single Windows VST I’ve used working on Linux with WINE. Some of them require extra work (Serum and anything needing Native Access specifically), but they still work.

I’ve also tried both Ableton and FL Studio in WINE, and they both work fine as well.

Adobe suite is something I don’t have experience with, though.

GoOnASteamTrain , 4 months ago

Ableton working in Wine you say…? Thank you for sharing, as that would be excellent to try! :)

refurbishedrefurbisher , 4 months ago

Yeah. I’d still recommend Ableton users try out Bitwig, though, regardless of OS. It’s a fantastic DAW that also happens to have native Linux support.

But yeah, Ableton should work fine with WINE, along with your VSTs. Make sure you use WINEASIO along with JACK. Pipewire works, but I’ve notoced that it eats up more resources than just using JACK directly, similar to using ASIO in Windows.

GoOnASteamTrain , 4 months ago

That’s awesome! Thank you for the rundown, I’ll save this comment for the day that I get to making the jump :) It might be a while until I can, but it would be nice to jump back over to the comfortable Linux environment again :)

refurbishedrefurbisher , 4 months ago

No problem. Feel free to PM me if you have any questions.

Drummyralf , 4 months ago

Hmm interesting. I’m a Cubase user with many steinberg plugins and some Arturia stuff. When I googled it, I didn’t seem to find much information about Linux support. But maybe I should give it a try. Thanks for sharing!

refurbishedrefurbisher , 4 months ago

Can’t hurt! Might run into a speedbump or two where you have to do a DLL override or something, but you might get lucky and not have to do anything.

I haven’t tried Cubase, though.

GoOnASteamTrain , 4 months ago (edited 4 months ago)

Agreed, not just plugins its also Ableton Live for me! There is nothing that scratches that for me, bitwig does look promising eventually though. :)

Then on top of that wanting to develop games without learning another game engine (I’m far into a game, and can’t change engine without starting again)

And I wanna play Baldurs Gate 3 again dammit! (To be fair I think that might work and haven’t looked) :) .

I used Linux for 5 years and loved it, have a pi and a degoogled Foss phone as much as possible. I am an ally to it all, but have usecases which dictate Windows … I think it’s not unreasonable to want something to get better without binning 70℅ of why I use my computer. :)

Edit: I just learned this thread, wine might work with Ableton, this is great news :)

merdaverse , 4 months ago

Wow, Microsoft are always so innovative! I never thought that the Win11 taskbar could get any shittier, but somehow they managed it. It’s great to see those thousands of engineers being put to good use.

realitista , 4 months ago

Install this. You will thank me later.

Hadriscus , 4 months ago (edited 4 months ago)

If it’s not a link to an Ubuntu LiveCD, I’m leaving Lemmy

Come on people I’m joking. You can unclench your butthills

kalpol , 4 months ago

Ditch Ubuntu too. Mint or OpenSuse are very good alternatives.

WeirdGoesPro , 4 months ago

Not to mention sweet mother Debian.

Dra , 4 months ago

Ubuntu server is fine relax

rolaulten , 4 months ago

With how they keep shoving snaps at everyone? At my work a migration to Debian is starting to be openly pondered.

bigMouthCommie , 4 months ago

gnome is pushing flatpacks. the official gnome distro is immutable.

i like debian. i like gnome. i don't like this trend.

rolaulten , 4 months ago

I almost never interact with desktop Linux. That’s a horrifying trend.

lorty , 4 months ago

We do not talk about ubuntu here

Orionza , 4 months ago

Thanks. My win11 install is coming up. Looks like I may need this. Bookmarked

realitista , 4 months ago

It has had such a massive positive effect on my life relative to the price.

ChaoticNeutralCzech , 4 months ago

There are more ways to make Windows suck less, even open source ones: feddit.de/comment/7447632 Of course, pick whatever is best for you, but FOSS is ultimately safer (and free!).

w2tpmf , 4 months ago

Purchase licence key

No, thanks.

farngis_mcgiles , 4 months ago

its very reasonable

MDKAOD , 4 months ago

… Coffee costs more than this license.

realitista , 4 months ago

There are free OS alternatives out there (which I suspect you already use but just want to poop on other’s parade).

I assume that if someone’s already using Windows, a paid OS, they are willing to pay $2 to make it usable.

histic , 4 months ago

idk who pays for windows these days but go you

BombOmOm , 4 months ago

Almost everyone pays for Windows. Notice how computers that let you not include it in the order get cheaper.

histic , 4 months ago

not everyone buys prebuilts but I haven’t had any actual windows license since like windows 7 I just use a random key off a PC work is throwing out oh just don’t register the shit

ChaoticNeutralCzech , 4 months ago

I prefer if persistent, high-permission code running on my machine is FOSS, and support the devs if I see it’s useful

realitista , 4 months ago

I prefer it too, but if something works well and saves me time and effort for $2, I don’t make a big deal out of it. I also need to accomplish things other than monkeying around with my computer.

AtariDump , 4 months ago

Open shell?

w2tpmf , 4 months ago

This is the way.

AtariDump , 4 months ago

This is the way

captainlezbian , 4 months ago

deleted_by_author

realitista , 4 months ago

I’ve used them all (probably 20+ different OS’ in my lifetime), and they all have a place. I use Windows, MacOS, and Linux daily, each for what they are good at. Maybe people should use what works best for them?

histic , 4 months ago

classic shell does the same thing for free I’ll pass

ChaoticNeutralCzech , 4 months ago

Not open source. Use:

• Open Shell
  • brings a normal Start Menu back as well as an optional taskbar in Explorer
• Explorer Patcher
  • revives Explorer’s “commented-out code”, bringing back functionality from previous Windows versions: optionally translucent taskbar without blur, seconds display in calendar popup, optionally the weather widget and many many more
• CTT winutil
  • installs/updates various free programs for you with one click, one-stop-shop for all kinds of recommended debloat/freedom settings
• MSEdge Redirect
  • self-explanatory: all Bing queries from within the OS apps go to your preferred search engine & default browser instead

merdaverse , 4 months ago

I did one better. I installed Linux

realitista , 4 months ago

Goody for you

Jerkingass , 4 months ago

Windows Key+D

Press it again to restore all apps to foreground.

masterspace , 4 months ago

If I wanted to memorize a bunch of random shortcuts and gestures to do basic tasks I’d use MacOS.

RagingHungryPanda , 4 months ago

I just got a Mac for work. The hotkeys are definitely worse

funkless_eck , 4 months ago

im meant to use a Macbook for work. I don’t. I sign into it whenever they complain I haven’t signed into it and go straight back to using my old computer I formatted for work. it doesn’t even support two screens!

masterspace , 4 months ago

Mx series MacBooks are a non starter for work since they only support a single external monitor like it’s 2002.

Even the Mx Pro series MacBooks don’t support Multi Stream Transport, so are limited to only outputting two displays.

I miss Windows.

smolyeet , 4 months ago

After using both (windows personal , Mac work) , I personally find the hot keys more intuitive in some areas and worse in others. Command being the requirement for a lot of shortcuts makes it easier , but stuff like show desktop or lock were annoying until more recent versions.

masterspace , 4 months ago

My point was that MacOS requires you to remember a bunch of shortcuts for basic things that Windows handles naturally. Like want to know what Windows you have open? On Windows you can tell that fromd the taskbar, on MacOS you have to remember a shortcut.

smolyeet , 4 months ago

That’s fair. The dots under the application in the dock let you know what is open. I find expose easier to use because you can see them all at once like you can do on windows. I only look at the dock to see what’s open on windows, and I alway group them which is probably why the Mac setup works for me

IndoorParking , 4 months ago

Bro you just need 6 for 99% of the cases

• Alt F4
• Ctrl C / V
• Win D
• Ctrl alt Del
• Alt tab

ziixe , 4 months ago

And maybe Ctrl Z/Y (depends on layout with this one) to Undo and Redo

Edit:typo

Blank , 4 months ago

The Win+X menu is the bomb.

Blank , 4 months ago

Also see Win+E and ctrl+w

funkless_eck , 4 months ago

Win+V / Win+Shift+V / Ctrl+Shift+V for text manipulation

Win+[1–9] to launch apps or alt+space (might require powertools)

win+ctrl+d win+ctrl+[⬅️/➡️] for VDs

masterspace , 4 months ago

And until a day ago, I only had to remember 5

redfox , 4 months ago

You only listed 5 ;)

IndoorParking , 4 months ago

I put ctrl C and ctrl V on the same line but I counted them as 2 ;)

Dozzi92 , 4 months ago

Yeah, I wish I never had to use a mouse. Only serves to slow things down. Obviously, gaming, necessary, but anything productive, taking your hands off the keyboard is a waste.

I am not a programmer, either. Using Excel and Word are secondary functions in my job, basically administrative, making invoices, record keeping, but they function so much better with your hands on keyboard. Alt menus for the office suite are time savers. And the stupid expensive bullshit proprietary software I use for my work is basically built to use hotkeys.

sploosh , 4 months ago

What’s the shortcut to remove the data-harvesting, power-sucking leech that is Copilot?

Natanael , 4 months ago

The power button

intensely_human , 4 months ago

Hold on, just gotta do a quick update first. Just one sec

cousinofjah , 4 months ago

The longcut is installing Linux

finalarbiter , 4 months ago

Tron does a decent job of scrubbing it

MarcRnt , 4 months ago

I’ve already switched to Linux partially. My PC now dual boots to Manjaro and Windows. I won’t switch completely, but it’s great to have such an awesome alternative right there one click of a button away. And the funny thing is that I’m not even the only one amongst my friends to do that. We are now three already and we even game on Linux too.

Sp00kyB00k , 4 months ago

Noot Noot

thorbot , 4 months ago

I have Linux dual booted on my gaming PC and it struggles with a lot of games on my 3080 TI with intel i10. Just doesn’t work reliably so I still have to use windows sometimes. It sucks.

MarcRnt , 4 months ago

Yeah gaming on Linux can be frustrating at times. Some games work perfectly out of the box, some don’t even start or lag a lot. Especially on Nvidia graphics things get complicated. I’m an AMD user and everything is mostly working fine, but a friend of mine uses Nvidia and he struggles more with driver issues and missing Wayland support.

thorbot , 4 months ago

Yeah, its almost to the point where I just fire up Windows when I want to game because it always works. Everyone on here is like “linux is KING” but it still isn’t for gaming.

blind3rdeye , 4 months ago

I set up Linux dual-boot as well, around half a year ago now. But I made (Mint) Linux the default boot option; so that when I turn on my computer, I get 3 seconds to interrupt it and choose Windows - otherwise it just starts Linux. And just like that, I’ve never used Windows again. There just hasn’t been any need or desire.

If someone is setting up dual-boot with the hope of maybe switching to Linux, I’d say it’s import to make the Linux boot option the default. Otherwise they’ll still just be booting Windows most of the time out of habit, and never make the switch.

MarcRnt , 4 months ago

If all I did was just office tasks and browsing the web, I’d completely switch to Linux as well. But as a gamer, things start to become complicated very soon. Some games run perfectly fine, some don’t run at all. It’s hit or miss. That’s why I keep Windows around and boot it almost daily. But the situation of gaming on linux is improving currently, so I’m hoping for a bright future…

blind3rdeye , 4 months ago

So then set up dual boot, with default going to Linux, and if you ever find that a game you want to play won’t work for whatever reason just boot into Windows to play it. No big deal.

Dr_Satan , 4 months ago

Linux. You’ll be glad you did.

Free. Easy to install. Never gets viruses. Never crashes. Rock solid.

Runs good on old machines. Runs like lightning on new machines.

I’ve installed it for 3 old ladies (3 separate installs). They like its simplicity and low-bullshit.

I personally use Debian with a Mate desktop.

KuroeNekoDemon , 4 months ago

I use Fedora with Gnome Desktop and it runs so well you will not be disappointed

g00 , 4 months ago

I mean, I agree. But sometimes you’re kinda forced by damn app compatibility. Although, if you have the choice I’d say make the jump. If you’ve no experience there’s a learning curve but it’s worth it.

joenforcer , 4 months ago

Worth it how? I feel like every post that claims about how much better Linux is after handling a bunch of tweaks and hacks and workarounds to get into baseline functional doesn’t really get into what actually makes it better. After all of that heavy lifting, you’re already at a disadvantage and I still hear nothing of the benefits. I start to wonder if the “better” is justification for all the effort that goes into tricking it to work rather than being meaningfully superior.

gaael , 4 months ago

The good news is, it’s easy to try and see for yourself ;)

Head over to an easy distro (like Linux Mint or Ubuntu for example) and create a live USB. Boot your computer on that USB, try the live environment.

You’ll see if your hardware works as expected. If it does, you’re golden, you can proceed to install and have zero problem down the road.

If it doesn’t, and you don’t feel like troubleshooting to make it work, you can just remove the USB stick, reboot your computer and continue using Windows.

Mileage varies a lot while using Linux. It’s really great these days, but there are always some edge cases. I use Linux on my gaming desktop, and it crashes often because part of my pleasure is trying out stuff, breaking my install and do it all over again.
I also use Linux on my work laptop, and it has not crashed once in 4 years.
I wanted to install Linux on my SO’s laptop because they liked the idea. I tried the live environment, never managed to get the wifi card to work, gave up, and they still use windows. When the laptop dies, the replacement will probably be a refurbished thinkpad where everything usually works out of the box.

All in all, it’s always been worth it to me: my laptop is faster and more stable than those of my colleagues, I don’t have to deal with Microsoft’s bullshit, I don’t come late to meetings because my computer was updating…
My gaming desktop is my fun machine, I’ve learned a lot on it and when I just want to game I roll back to a stable snapshot.

Also, don’t underestimate the representation issues. I think that people who have trouble with a Linux install have the reflex to ask online on Lemmy, Reddit or forums, while people who have trouble with their Windows install just live with it or bring it back to the shop.

trailblazer911 , 4 months ago

“Never Crashes”, “Runs like Lightning on new machines” Am I doing this wrong? I tried Ubuntu, Zorin OS, Linux Mint- I get crashes and errors which doesn’t explain what the error is, instead shows some code lines. Runs like Lightning on new machines- In my 13600K build, Windows 11 feels noticeably faster, and I’m able to use all my onboard stuff like Optical Audio Out, WiFI 6 connects to 5GHz properly, unlike Linuxmint. I think I lack the technical expertise to run linux. I have been building PCs for like 20 years now.

Batbro , 4 months ago

Wild guess, Nvidia GPU?

trailblazer911 , 4 months ago

6750 XT.

fine_sandy_bottom , 4 months ago

This is my experience.

It’s fine, but always glitchy niggly things.

frankenswine , 4 months ago

you probably are doing it wrong ;)

the problem is cutting edge devices where vendors only publish windows drivers - often friendly hackers have to develop their own drivers to make your stuff work. for users with such hardware the free software experience is often sub-par and they probably won’t try it anytime soon. but for everyone else, casual i-only-browse-text-and-watch-videos-on-my-rather-standard-build-users will usually find ad-free, smoothly running no-bullshit (or depending on the distro maybe little-bullshit) computing experience. it’s a shame hardware vendors are allowed to only publish drivers for windows.

it’s one of the few cases where people with more expertise (i.e. you who builds your own machibe) get a less satisfying result. i’d suggest you try again with spare parts from your last build ;)

laurelraven , 4 months ago

“Rock solid, never crashes, runs like lightening on new hardware!*”

• • some exceptions apply

frankenswine , 4 months ago

top-level commenter says new machines, not all hardware you could possibly attach to whichever bus your mobo offers, but yeah

downvote me again for pointing out that it’s hardware vendors duty to offer drivers for the OS of your choice not your duty to shit on some kernel for not supporting hardware you bought from (excuse my french) shitty vendors

laurelraven , 4 months ago

Dude, chill. It was a joke dunking on the idea that Linux is perfect that the top level was complaining about and which you weren’t defending, it was not a slam on you.

And I was almost exactly quoting their quote, including “new hardware”, so I have no clue where you’re pulling that from.

I didn’t downvote your first comment, but I would your reply if I could for being so off the rails

Steak , 4 months ago

Linux is tough man

Rootiest , 4 months ago

I know this will usually draw the ire of more experienced users (yes I use Arch btw) but if you really want an install that is as hands-off and foolproof as possible you are generally gonna be better off with an Ubuntu distro.

I put Kubuntu on PCs for beginners/noobs because it gives them access to more advanced options if they need them in the future while also typically being fully functional out of the box.

Ubuntu distros typically have extensive hardware support and a lot of testing. Yeah it’s not going to be the most cutting-edge but you don’t want that, you want it to “just work”

dakd2 , 4 months ago

I just installed arch on a friend PC that is just one of those old intel dual core without integrated graphics and I am just surprised it ran as good as on my ryzen 3400g

rab , 4 months ago

Ya but I need to use Adobe software

MisterD , 4 months ago

I can see MS paying Adobe to NOT release Linux versions of their software.

rab , 4 months ago

Probably. Doesn’t change the fact that it renders linux useless on my workstation.

I have fedora on my laptop tho.

ArdMacha , 4 months ago

My issue with Linux at the minute is all the different app stores and package managers.

Rootiest , 4 months ago

It doesn’t really bother me tbh.

KDE’s Discover app pulls from the distro package manager, snap, and flat hub. AppImages to me are like “portable” executables and don’t really need an app store. However you can use Gear Lever to update them.

pewgar_seemsimandroid , 4 months ago

they are really tempting me to switch to linux already

Rootiest , 4 months ago

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/506b8825-d859-44fc-879e-809e45c81e09.webm

Roderik , 4 months ago

Windows is shitty—don’t get me wrong. But for all my coursework it’s pretty annoying to do on Linux. Especially Office, and yes I am well aware it’s a MS product and that Linux-support will likely never come. Though the limited online version of Office or LibreOffice don’t quite cut it for me. Besides, running it with Wine or in a VM is too much of a hassle.

So “Switch to Linux!” is not really a solution for some. Let’s hope that’ll change in the future.

With that said, fuck Microsoft! I use NixOS btw.

NoFun4You , 4 months ago

Hurr dürr Linux improves me cognitive mental gymnastics skills deep.

Rootiest , 4 months ago

I like LibreOffice but if your goal is MS Office compatibility you are better off trying OnlyOffice

GluWu , 4 months ago

I’ve been using Linux since Ubuntu was in the single digits. Looks like windows entering the double digits is finally the end. I thought win10 would be able to stay relatively unmolested, but nope, copilot button and bullshit right there in the bar. Why can’t you just leave us the fuck alone. Your driving everyone away who doesn’t have a professional obligation to use your OS. I’ll still have to keep a old win10 boot drive that never connects to a network so I can play games and use CAD that Linux can’t. As a KDE fanboi they’ve added pretty much everything I’ve always wished for and plasma 6 is launching.

Now is my time. Fuck you Microsoft. I won’t miss you.

Granixo , 4 months ago

Didin’t Linux had FreeCAD?

GluWu , 4 months ago

Yes, and you shit has it come so far. Unfortunately in the professional world you often just need the native program to open the file. Even just for compatability, but rolling back and/or modifying is only possible within its native software.

synapse1278 , 4 months ago

Would OnShape be an option for you ? I haven’t booted up Windows since I was able to work with OnShape to replace Solidworks. But I just do hobby projects. I didn’t have to worry about compatibility for collaboration.

captain_aggravated , 4 months ago

FreeCAD…is getting there. They’re actually heading toward a 1.0 release, and bringing usability and convenience features. I’d say by 2025 it’ll be a better value proposition than the “Free non-commerical use drawbackware” tier offerings from Onshape or Fusion360.

cyberpunk007 , 4 months ago

I flirted with gnome this install around. I’m so lazy to reinstall yet again to get back to my previous plasma. Seriously Linux is a way better experience these days, I wish those that could would just give it an honest shot. The learning curve isn’t too bad once you understand a couple things.

Fal , 4 months ago

Gnome is awful. It’s almost as bad as windows. Basically 0 customization, and getting worse every release. I can’t even fathom how you would voluntarily switch from plasma to gnome and not immediately switch back

ganoo , 4 months ago

Idk with a couple of extensions I really enjoy the GNOME work-flow. Although I admit KDE on my SteamDeck has been tempting me lately.

Fal , 4 months ago

KDE is amazing and you should give it a try. It’s unbelievably customizable, and is so much more seamless. Having to use gnome is almost as frustrating as having to use macos. And in a lot of the same ways. Like, trying to get a usable task bar in gnome is infuriating.

ganoo , 4 months ago

usable task bar in gnome

Just one easy to enable extension for this, but it should definitely be the default. Overall I like the stock GNOME experience and find it clean. When you get the hang of GNOME it starts to make sense. Super key is the answer.

KDE is obviously more powerful, but I don’t like customizing my desktop very much so that point is moot for me.

I’m going full KDE for the next 6 months, you should try GNOME for a bit, give it a solid chance with extensions.

Fal , 4 months ago

I’m forced to use gnome at work. It’s horrible

randomname01 , 4 months ago

It just works for me, and I prefer the look to that of KDE. Like, fair enough if it’s not your cup of tea, but your basic point here is “I don’t like the workflow and I highly value customisation”, and you then act like your subjective preferences are fact.

You can customise Gnome quite a lot, btw. I’m not even saying you should give it another shot, but please just don’t act like your personal preferences are objectively accurate.

Fal , 4 months ago

I’m not even saying you should give it another shot, but please just don’t act like your personal preferences are objectively accurate.

I’m forced to use it at work if I want to use linux. You really can’t, and to customize even a little bit you need lots of extra tools and maybe even access the css. For example, extensions.gnome.org/extension/…/dash-to-panel/ is the only way to get a usable task bar. And calling it usable is being very generous.

The gnome devs are extremely opinionated in removing configuration and features. It’s honestly disgusting

cyberpunk007 , 4 months ago

I dislike how they took away minimizing windows. Please help me understand the lack of system tray. I have apps that go there and I have a plugin to bring it back and all the icons have a black background which is super annoying.

Discord, telegram, signal, flameshot, and others are in there and I don’t understand how gnome intends me to access them otherwise when they’re “closed” in the background.

bigMouthCommie , 4 months ago

i've always been able to minimize windows from the alt-space window menu. but they are enabling all kinds of customization through the extensions. i have transparent windows (every window, not just apps that support it as part of their functionality), tiling through the Forge extension, the tweak tool gives you lots of stuff including restoring the minimize button to where you think it should be, and there is even an extension to give you your system tray back. but now the gnome team can just focus on putting together the essential parts, and people who want thefunctionality you describe can build it and install it through the extensions.

i, too, was a bit put off when they ditched the gnome2 look and feel, and i stayed on xfce for a long time. but my job had me using windows and i found out that i like just hitting super, typing what i want to do, and then it happens.

now, the software center's tendency to tell me to reboot for updates is something else. we can hotswap kernels now. don't fucking tell me i need to reboot.

cyberpunk007 , 4 months ago

My experience with the extensions is they frequently break on gnome updates and sometimes functionality is missing when updated and it’s been a disaster imo

cole , 4 months ago

that’s a fair opinion, but for some people they feel the same way about KDE (me). Gnome’s workflow is killer for me, and I love the consistency in design and intent with everything.

I suppose not everybody just wants customizability

mesamunefire , 4 months ago

10+ years with Linux as my daily driver (yeah I’m old). When my os updates, it’s almost always with some feature that’s pretty neat.

Nowadays the steamdeck or some combo of Linux with steam can play my games, do my work, and I actively make other people’s lives better when I contribute.

Allero , 4 months ago

Thanks for your contribution to the Linux ecosystem!

It’s people like you who make this whole thing possible

mesamunefire , 4 months ago

Anyone can. It’s part of what makes it great.

Cethin , 4 months ago

Have you tried gaming on Linux lately? You don’t need Windows anymore except if you use GamePass, because MS has locked that software down to Windows. The only problem game I had was The Finals until recently, and it now works on Linux. Besides that the only issue is I can’t mod Baulder’s Gate 1 because it requires injecting things and that doesn’t work with Linux as far as I can figure out. The game runs fine.

GluWu , 4 months ago

Yes, I’m a long time mint user, and I was also a 1st batch steamdeck so I’ve seen how far just proton has come. There’s still a handful of games that just won’t work, work but not with the mods I need, or take a performance hit. I also have a driving simulator with a VR headset. I’m sure I could get it running on Linux eventually but windows just does it. Recognizes and just installed the drivers for all my hardware. And for VR, there are now a lot of solutions, but I’ve found windows to just be the fastest and best performing. I need every frame I can get running vr on a 2060.

Cethin , 4 months ago

Yeah, modding sucks right now. If the game let’s you manually add mods without injecting, then it’s fine, though manual can take a while. Nexus Mod Manager (and most others, though CKAN for KSP(1&2) works pretty well but won’t launch the game through that application for me) don’t work yet for Linux, but it looks like they’re working on a new application that’ll run natively on Linux, so I’m looking forward to that.

cole , 4 months ago

r2modman has a native Linux client as well and handles pretty much all unity games

Mango , 4 months ago

Ubuntu used to be animals!

octopus_ink , 4 months ago

It still is. There’s an animal “codename” and a number for all releases.

wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases

Mango , 4 months ago

Oh yay!!

GluWu , 4 months ago

So many memories, dapper drake with the LTS. For some reason I used karmic koala which is 9.10 until 12. I played thousands of hours of minecraft and ksp because other that valve games those where like the only two that ran naively without fucking around with the abomination that wine was at the time.

everett , 4 months ago

Ubuntu used to be naked people!

Mango , 4 months ago

Lol what am I reading?

everett , 4 months ago

Sorry, that was the best link I could find at that moment. Since the word “ubuntu” means something like “humanity towards others,” Canonical really leaned into that concept with their tagline “Linux for human beings” in the early days. This involved shipping some controversial wallpaper images and using less risque shots from the same photo shoot on things like the CD-ROM cover.

Mango , 4 months ago

🤣

taanegl , 4 months ago

They’re signaling that you don’t need a desktop anymore, only chat bot. Your device will be a kiosk where you ask Microsoft for favours.

Steak , 4 months ago

Shit. Is this the future.

SpaceCowboy , 4 months ago

Microsoft, please google “dystopia”

“I’m sorry Dave, I can’t do that. Perhaps you want me to Bing “dystopia” instead?”

Che_Donkey , 4 months ago

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/225052c4-3a5c-4bae-a6e5-e4302e7ed05c.jpeg

jamyang , 4 months ago

Clippy’s evil face?

Che_Donkey , 4 months ago

The non denominational diety in THX 1138 (George lucas’ first film?)

Geek_King , 4 months ago

I noticed this bullshit a few days ago on my Win 11 desktop! I found if you go check the settings of the start bar, you can hide the copilot icon in the lower right, and then there’s a check box to enable the lower right hand corner to work as show desktop again. The functionality can be restore to exactly as it was, but what the hell were they thinking.

Enshitification, plain and simple.

histic , 4 months ago

I don’t wanna defend Microsoft here cause yk fuck them but I’ma guess most people didn’t even know the show desktop was there tbh or if they did use it but then again I’ve never understood why it was there I never use it

Vejezdigna , 4 months ago

Hide desktop is useful if you have many non-minimized windows and you don’t want to minimize each one. I can vouch for that button 😎.

Nilz , 4 months ago

Or if you’re a psychopath with a desktop full of icons and files. Shudders

TwoCubed , 4 months ago

Yeah, I hink its super useful too. But i usually use win+d.

TwilightVulpine , 4 months ago

To be fair it’s not like there’s an icon showing what it does. Maybe it should have? I haven’t had issues with overcrowded task bars since Windows XP.

fine_sandy_bottom , 4 months ago

I’ve known it was there but never used it.

dojan , 4 months ago

I genuinely do not get the hype of integrating LLMs fucking everywhere. There are places it makes sense, like word processors and email clients. Then there are places it doesn’t make sense, like as an aside in my desktop environment. No one’s going to use it. It’s Cortana all over again.

mods_are_assholes , 4 months ago

It’s nothing but trend chasing, just like when microdick turned their server UIs into tablet UIs because they were seething at apple for the ipad.

WaxedWookie , 4 months ago

The whole tablet UI switching had huge potential - particularly for 2-in-ones and to a lesser extent, mobile devices, but Microsoft absolutely butchered it in its infancy with atrocious execution, and by having the hubris to hobble their primary use-case (desktop) for the sake of pushing their half-baked nonsense into the mobile market. Users didn’t do themselves any favours by not understanding that you could just hit start then type the first couple of letters of what you want to launch (what kind of website double-clicking weirdo clicks through the whole start menu without pinned links or search anyway?).

To me, it all reeks of designers/PMs/devs putting forward a super-promising concept, which was ruined by a bunch of overpaid MBA dipshits that thought they knew better.

dejected_warp_core , 4 months ago

(what kind of website double-clicking weirdo clicks through the whole start menu without pinned links or search anyway?).

So-called “muscle memory” runs deep with seasoned users. With Windows, if they started with Win95 there’s a lot of that to push back against.

Also, a lot of people who use computers daily are doing so by rote, sometimes to the point of sheer minimalism. Not everyone has turned thousands of hours at a keyboard into a deeper understanding of the system they use.

ferralcat , 4 months ago

I get putting it here but it should probably just be in the normal search. Search is shit on every os in general. LLM could theoretically help it find actually relevant stuff (and filter out the kink it usually surfaces).

NoFun4You , 4 months ago

Except I used Cortana all the time on my windows phone before they trashed that idea

HowManyNimons , 4 months ago

Not enshitification, cause they’re not jacking up the price to put Show Desktop back. Just bad UI.

LainTrain , 4 months ago

I have an alternative: just use Windows 7. No problem. No ad. No Linux Terminal scary. All program works. Do the needful, switch now.

sphfaar , 4 months ago

Not all programs work, And in Linux you can forget the terminal with the stores that use flathub, much easier and safer than the shitty exe/MSI installers.

LainTrain , 4 months ago

Who would want an app store on their desktop? Are you 12 and only ever used a smartphone?

atocci , 4 months ago

Why not? They're convenient and don't require the use of a terminal

LainTrain , 4 months ago

Naw that’s okay for like a telephone where you just want like a calculator or some shit but on a desktop you go to Google and just find the program website and download it

sphfaar , 4 months ago

I fucking don’t, I use yay or whatever, I’m talking about you, if you really don’t want to see the terminal there is the app store that uses flathub in any pre-configured DE for linux

LainTrain , 4 months ago

Glad you found something that works for you!

I’m old school haha I just download programs from the internet myself, they either come as zips or exes and they install directly on my computer without any issues. No terminus, app stores, etc. and no problems!

Aatube , 4 months ago

All program works.

Remind me when EOL was

LainTrain , 4 months ago

Doesn’t have to be ever.

Aatube , 4 months ago

It does. Most softwares don't update for it now and security patches are stopped.

The_Cunt_of_Monte_Cristo , 4 months ago

Enjoy your security vulnerabilities.

LainTrain , 4 months ago

Common Sense™️ 2023 Edition is free

The_Cunt_of_Monte_Cristo , 4 months ago

Common sense won’t protect you against vulnerabilities like remote code executions. And keep in mind that we still use our common sense even if we use up to date softwares.

TwilightVulpine , 4 months ago (edited 4 months ago)

Just once I would love to open one of these threads without seeing people shitting… on Linux.

Linux is not even the one doing anything wrong but people gotta rag on whoever recommends it as an alternative. This is getting more annoying than however annoying they say Linux users are.

edit: Just to make clear because some folks aren’t getting it, this is not an invitation to argue about how you feel about Linux and Linux users. I. don’t. fucking. care. I don’t even use Linux. Take it to someone who cares.

SpaceCadet , 4 months ago

People be like:

https://feddit.nl/pictrs/image/489d27cf-0dfa-45ec-83b3-230455be3129.png

TwilightVulpine , 4 months ago

tbf I get it. Sometimes you just want to be mad.

But like, it’s Microsoft’s fault.

refurbishedrefurbisher , 4 months ago

Or Adobe, Autodesk, Nvidia, etc.

echodot , 4 months ago

Your solution isn’t a solution though it’s like saying that the solution to drowning is to set yourself on fire. It’s just a different kind of problem.

SpaceCadet , 4 months ago

No it isn’t.

It’s more like saying: if that guy you hang out with keeps pushing you into the water and you almost drown every time, perhaps you should stop hanging out with that guy.

Of course, that’s not what people who are in an abusive relationship typically want to hear.

echodot , 4 months ago

It’s hardly a big deal, none of what Microsoft has done is really that annoying. Individually they are barely even noteworthy.

Switching to Linux is a huge pain in the ass to have to go through so Microsoft would have to do something seriously messed up for me to even want to put up with it. I’m not assuming that I could find equivalent programs that even ran on Linux.

Rustmilian , 4 months ago

Switching to Linux is a huge pain in the ass.

This is literally how MacOS and long time Linux users feel when switching to Windows.

BradleyUffner , 4 months ago

And how many people are telling Linux users to switch to Windows?

Rustmilian , 4 months ago

Not many, but you’d be surprised.

intensely_human , 4 months ago

Yes, I would be very surprised.

SpaceCadet , 4 months ago

That’s exactly the kind of shit abused people say to justify staying with their abusive partner. (“Oh it’s not so bad” - she says with a black eye - “and he’s really sweet normally”)

Yes in the short term it can be painful to leave an abusive person you’ve come to depend upon, but in the long term it’s always the better solution.

ganoo , 4 months ago

Literally abusive relationship cope. LMAO.

intensely_human , 4 months ago

“He’s always ready with a life preserver and a towel though”

BradleyUffner , 4 months ago

And in this case they aren’t even drowning. They have a slightly annoying icon in the corner of their screen.

mods_are_assholes , 4 months ago (edited 4 months ago)

Linux isn’t a solution if you play competitive multiplayer games, which most people do.

Edit: keep being classy basement trolls, you’re only proving my statements about the shittiness of the linux community with every downvote.

Rustmilian , 4 months ago (edited 4 months ago)

Fair, but also depends on which one’s.
~40-45% of them do actually work.

LainTrain , 4 months ago

What??? Do you have a statistic on this like does most of the population of earth play call of street fortnite 20 or whatever “competitively”?

Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In , 4 months ago

I think you are confusing “professionally” and “competitively”. Anyone playing to win is being competitive.

LainTrain , 4 months ago

I don’t think that many people even play video games nevermind online ones nevermind competitive ones

truelist.co/blog/gaming-statistics

Like 41% which is more than I expected but only a tiny fraction of those use PCs

Rustmilian , 4 months ago (edited 4 months ago)

call of street fortnite 20

Is now permanently in my lexicon.

prole , 4 months ago

Lol yeah “most people” definitely do not play competitive multiplayer games. Are the other children in your friend group literally the only other humans you’ve ever met?

CheesyFox , 4 months ago

there are 3 billion people playing videogames, most of them playing casual af shit like candy crush (explodingtopics.com/blog/number-of-gamers).

About “competitive” multiplayer games: have you tried proton? I myself was sticking with Windows untill i eventually tried it.

Linux is not a solution if you have a skill issue. The longer people have this kind of mindset you have, the longer Microsoft will pretend to be a monopolist, the longer they will behave like total shitheads towards their customers.

btr_fan87 , 4 months ago

Is proton also a work around for easy anti-cheat now?

CheesyFox , 4 months ago

It literally is. Played Hunt: Showdown and Warthunder with no problems at all

iN8sWoRLd , 4 months ago

I’m upvoting you because I know what you’re trying to say. Personally I don’t have a lot of time to game anymore but I vote with my wallet and I try to only buy games on steam that are linux native. I have found a lot of great indy games this way and I don’t feel like I’m “missing out”. Still, I get it.

long_chicken_boat , 4 months ago

“most people” = “most teens”. I don’t know any adult that plays competitive multiplayer games other than maybe CSGO.

caron , 4 months ago

I am not sure if most people play competitive multiplayer games

intensely_human , 4 months ago

Sounds like something a Bronze leaguer would say

UnderpantsWeevil , 4 months ago

which most people do.

Lolwhut?

Most people who play competitive multiplayer games (a minority of total users) do so on console

intensely_human , 4 months ago

“But the controller is an inferior aiming device”

“Yeah and the foot is an inferior ball handling device, but soccer still exists as a game”

veniasilente , 4 months ago

Care to cite sources for that? Haven’t seen people playing “competitive multiplayer games” from most people in a while, now.

intensely_human , 4 months ago

You probably live in some weird outlier community. 88% of Americans are competitive gamers now.

mods_are_assholes , 4 months ago

Fuck off sealion

veniasilente , 4 months ago

Oh, are your gaming statistics hurt?

HKayn , 4 months ago

“Hey I have a problem with my Samsung”

“Drop it and get an iPhone instead”

This is what you guys are like.

Rustmilian , 4 months ago

iPhone is $999+, Linux is completely free.

capital , 4 months ago

It’s funny this meme of iPhones being expensive is still a thing.

The cheapest one is under $450.

histic , 4 months ago

why would anyone buy an even more pos phone. I had a 12 and 13 before my pixel there is nothing good about them, unless you are insecure about people’s thoughts on what color your msgs are. also you don’t need to copy and paste you comment on everyone’s damn comment no one give a fuck.

capital , 4 months ago

You need to chill.

I responded to a grand total of 2 comments with the same sentiment but they were not copies of each other. The over the top aggressive response is completely unwarranted.

What’s more is that yours and my mom don’t need flagship phone performance and what you refer to as a “pos phone” would do just fine for the vast majority of people’s use cases without coming close to utilizing all available resources.

I’m correcting the evidently popular belief that iPhones are expensive. As it turns out, only the expensive ones are expensive. Imagine that.

Rustmilian , 4 months ago

That’s still expensive compared to $0

SpaceCadet , 4 months ago

When people tell you to use Linux, they’re not telling you that to solve your immediate problem (e.g. your “show desktop” icon has been replaced with a different icon), but they are telling you to get out of your abusive relationship with Microsoft, because that is the real problem: Microsoft does not respect you, the end-user of their product, and this kind of abusive shit will keep happening for as long as you keep using Windows.

HKayn , 4 months ago

they are telling you to get out of your abusive relationship with Microsoft

And how well has that worked so far?

SpaceCadet , 4 months ago

For people like me who took that advice: pretty damn great actually, thanks for asking!

HKayn , 4 months ago

How many people have you managed to convert in this thread?

SpaceCadet , 4 months ago

Even if it’s only one, I will have helped one person, unlike you who has only been bitching and moaning.

HKayn , 4 months ago

If that’s what you think will improve how the Linux community is perceived, then do go on.

SpaceCadet , 4 months ago

This may sound strange to you, but I actually don’t give a single fuck about how you perceive things.

HKayn , 4 months ago

Oh I wasn’t talking about me.

SpaceCadet , 4 months ago

Yes you were sweetie.

squidspinachfootball , 4 months ago

I keep seeing this, and yes, it’s running the image of the Linux community. Even for me who’s part of it.

“Help, Windows problem.”

“Linux is the answer.”

“But I want to use Windows.”

“Then you’re a stupid ingrate who’s below me and deserve nothing good in your life.”

Do you hear yourselves? I’m exaggerating, but come on guys. You’re better than this, good grief.

Zetta , 4 months ago

Me! Switched to fedora from Windows about 3 years ago and don’t regret it one bit. Probably the best decision I’ve made in regards to personal computing in my adult life.

HKayn , 4 months ago

If you switched 3 years ago, you haven’t been converted in this very thread.

knexcar , 4 months ago

Did Lemmy even exist 3 years ago? I thought the Lemmy migration was only last summer.

bigMouthCommie , 4 months ago

it has existed for many years but it wasn't much fun til it hit a critical mass of users

bigMouthCommie , 4 months ago

https://lemmy.ml/u/dessalines

lead dev

refurbishedrefurbisher , 4 months ago

Yeah, since 2019

Rustmilian , 4 months ago (edited 4 months ago)

I’m actually helping someone from this convert rn.

Mikina , 4 months ago

I did switch around a month ago due to a thread similar to this, and I have booted windows like twice since then, and im really glad I made the switch. So, yes, threads like this did help me, while also providing good starting tips.

aStonedSanta , 4 months ago

Who asked you for help with our relationship? I believe someone complained about a random feature change. And here you are. Telling everyone to just fuck off and switch completely. It’s insane.

SpaceCadet , 4 months ago

JFC people like you … You have like the worst case of Stockholm syndrome I’ve ever seen. I swear the only reason you are getting so angry and defensive when people recommend Linux is because deep down you know they’re speaking the truth.

aStonedSanta , 4 months ago

No. It’s annoying being told the only solution is to throw everything out the window and start over. No stockholm syndrome I run a Ubuntu server and ran arch when I was 14. Fuck off with your stupid takes and offer a real solution to the problem.

SpaceCadet , 4 months ago

Fuck off with your stupid takes

Yeah, real mature take you have there buddy.

offer a real solution to the problem.

“My husband always beats me when he is drunk. Don’t tell me to leave him, just tell me how I get him to stop beating me”

^ This is you basically.

aStonedSanta , 4 months ago

No. That is your perspective to a situation. That is not fact. Stop valueing your own voice so highly. You start to forget you can be wrong.

SpaceCadet , 4 months ago

Listen, if you don’t like what I have to say, don’t read my comments, block me or stop replying or something, but I’m not going to shut myself up to please some random twerp like you.

squidspinachfootball , 4 months ago

Listen I’m all for Linux and use it myself, but this is not the way to get people to switch. Even I’m starting to get annoyed by all the answers in these threads being “Just switch to Linux, there are definitely no problems and it’s a 1:1 workflow.” (Yes, hyperbole. But you get the idea.) If a user has an issue and does not want, or cannot, switch to Linux, then Linux is not the solution.

You’re not wrong. They’re still stuck in the “abusive relationship” with MS. In fact you’re absolutely right. But trying to push Linux onto these people like this only results in their view of Linux getting worse, and makes them more likely to stay on Windows to avoid the insufferable Linux users. It’s coming from a good place, but it’s honestly not helping. Every solution needs to consider the user’s use case and their parameters, or else it doesn’t matter. In the end what you’re saying is not wrong at all, but you’re still not offering the right solution.

aStonedSanta , 4 months ago

Exactly. The only abusive relationship is their view towards users who will not accept their solution as gospel.

smileyhead , 4 months ago

I have a way for you both:

Give two solutions, one short-term and second long-term.

SpaceCadet , 4 months ago (edited 4 months ago)

I’m not a Windows user, and certainly not a Windows expert. Why should I have to provide solutions to Windows problems? I use Linux so that I don’t have to bother with that shit.

smileyhead , 4 months ago

Then don’t bother and don’t give a solution. Or at least say “I don’t know if there is a short-term solution in a form of simple switch, but I know if we switch from Windows in long-term there won’t br such problems ever again”.

SpaceCadet , 4 months ago

Again, I’m not going to silence or censor myself for some random internet bully like you. Who the fuck are you to say what kind of advise I can and cannot give? Get lost.

smileyhead , 4 months ago

You’re right, sorry for that. This is what I would give as an advice, you can give whatever advice you like, I shouldn’t write this in such imperative form.

SpaceCadet , 4 months ago

Well even so you’re barking up the wrong tree. Read my comment history: I never gave anyone the personal advise to switch to Linux, because honestly I don’t care about what anyone uses, and frankly I dislike Windows users coming over to Linux forums expecting everything to be the same as Windows under a different name and complaining when it isn’t. I was merely explaining why people are giving that advise.

prole , 4 months ago

Nah, I switched to Linux last year and it cost me $0. No new hardware needed. So not a good metaphor.

HKayn , 4 months ago

You misunderstood what the metaphor was.

prole , 4 months ago

Are iPhones free now?

Trainguyrom , 4 months ago

More like:

“Hey I have a problem with my Samsung”

“Here’s a custom ROM you can install instead” (but also glosses over a lot of the finer decisions that go into whether or not to choose to run a custom ROM)

long_chicken_boat , 4 months ago

you don’t have to pay for a +1000$ device to switch to Linux. In most cases, you can just install it in the same machine you have Windows.

It’s more like replacing Samsung’s Android ROM with a custom ROM. Sure, you’ll have to learn new things to use it, but you don’t have to buy an iPhone.

capital , 4 months ago

I get what you’re saying but I just want to point out that the lowest cost iPhone is under $450.

Rustmilian , 4 months ago

I’d argue that’s still not a very good comparison, because for ROMs you have to go through the trouble of researching the specific method for your phone brand, model, & firmware version, learning adb, unlocking the bootloader, flashing a custom recovery, then from there you can install a custom ROM. Then if you fuck up you have to figure out how to debrick the device.
While Linux(user friendly distros specifically) is just burning an ISO to a USB, possibly changing 1 or 2 settings in the BIOS & booting from that USB, then just clicking through a graphical installer like calamares.
The barrier to entry is drastically smaller.

UnderpantsWeevil , 4 months ago

It does sometimes feel like a guy with face scars from an exploded Samsung reaching for another Samsung while saying “I hope they’ve made improvements”

veniasilente , 4 months ago

Lol you wish Linux was an equivalent to an iPhone in this analogy. Pretty analogy from you.

BradleyUffner , 4 months ago

I don’t think this meme applies here. The person who’s mad isn’t the one using Windows. They got mad about a “problem” someone else was having and decided to use it as an excuse to push Linux.

aStonedSanta , 4 months ago

Exactly. The Linux bros are not offering a solution. They are the same people as the “just move” people. Annoying ass trolls.

Kyatto , 4 months ago

But moving costs money, switching to linux costs nothing (if you have free cloud storage or a second drive to backup and migrate important data, even then you could get one of those for cheap or free depending on your needs), and with how linux is these days there are distros that are as plug and play as windows for basic tasks that most people do, and a welcoming community and infinite resources to make learning curves small if you want to take on something more advanced. Further than that Linux can be more friendly, allowing easy configuration and GUIs to do things that would require “hacking” to do on windows or third party bloated applications.

I’m on a more advanced distro, but it’s basically easy-mode arch skipping the technical set up stage, and honestly it is not hard to pick up at all, if I did what I did on windows my experience would be roughly the same except I designed my own task bar set up and my PC has been running quieter and more efficiently, everything past that is me tailoring my experience past what a normal user would do.

I tried linux a decade ago and it was sluggish in the UI and didn’t have support for a lot of things but these days it feels 99% to what windows is for me with some extras. It’s time to switch for people on the fence, especially with the rapid enshittification of things.

knexcar , 4 months ago

I think the hurdle isn’t money but time, and yes it takes quite a bit of time to learn a new OS, figure out why your graphics card is running so slow, move your files to an external drive and back, find alternatives to the programs you use and learn their quirks and missing features, learn the difference between apt-get and snap and flatpak when programs only support one, figure out what a .tar.gz file is and how to install one (what was that chain of commands with “sudo make” in it), find tweaks and workarounds to get certain games working in Proton, and do that all again if you don’t like the distro (because Linux users love suggesting new distros)

Kyatto , 4 months ago

You are totally right about the time, I agree with you there, it did take some time for me to make sure I was ready for an install but once I got it it went super quick and I haven’t had any issues with graphics even though I’m using nvidia. As for the terminal, I’m probably an outlier but I’m totally fine with that and I do have some previous experience from when I was younger messing around in ubuntu that made it easier now even though I’m on a much different distro.

CustodialTeapot , 4 months ago

I rarely see that,. But what I see all the time is Linux lovers being toxic fanboys trying to shove their “passion” down everyone’s throat. Also, 99% of them being wrong about what it can “offer”.

Its a pure superiority complex fanbase.

TwilightVulpine , 4 months ago

Complaining about Linux and Linux users happens in every Windows-related thread, and you are doing it right now.

As a slight aside I am also sooo tired of people calling talking about something “shoving down our throats”. People talking about someone you don’t care for is not physically assaulting you. That expression seems to exist solely for people to wind themselves up over stuff that absolutely doesn’t justify that level of outrage.

wizardbeard , 4 months ago

It’s shoving down throats when Linux is brought up in every single Windows discussion. The complaints about Linux are in response to Linux users never being able to just let it lie, people aren’t just bitching in a void.

This is absolutely not people being mad for people just talking about something. I have an extremely hard time believing you truly believe that is the issue here.

There are countless places to discuss Linux without bringing it into the comments of every Windows post. Windows users are not commenting on every post in the Linux communities about how much more straightforward running Windows is.

It would be like vegan eaters commenting about how good it is to be vegan on every post in food communities that features non-vegan food.

Lucidlethargy , 4 months ago

Lol this is a thread that was started because of a minor cosmetic windows issue, where the proposed solution in the original post is to switch to Linux.

It’s Linux users shitting on Windows to begin with… With the response being essentially “Linux doesn’t meet my needs”.

I used to think evangelicals were bad, but this is a whole new level…

Chakravanti , 4 months ago

Fanbase because the philosophy is based on owning your computer. If some asshole you don’t know needs your trust to run their closed-source-no-one-really-knows-what-it-actually does inside what is no longer really your computer just because you paid for it then here…here’s a dum-dum. Hands you a sucker.

mriormro , 4 months ago

‘Just switch to Linux’ isn’t a solution to a problem. It’s a tired and lazy ass response that is frankly starting to make me dislike this place.

TwilightVulpine , 4 months ago

How much more practical it is to complain about users of a different system than the one the thread is about? It got to a point people are doing this preemptively even.

shiftymccool , 4 months ago

When “this lemon is too sour” is the problem, maybe “here, try this orange” is the solution. Can you imagine responding like “No! People are always talking about oranges! I’m sick of it and won’t try one!” Ridiculous…

knexcar , 4 months ago

Trying an orange is a lot easier than creating a boot USB, copying all your files over to an external hard drive, installing a new OS, fixing weird things like the graphics card having crap performance or the laptop screen brightness not dimming, learning the weird 3 letter file structure, being bogged down by apt-get vs snaps vs flatpak and adding repos (why not search and download an .exe like a normal OS), realizing that your more specialized programs don’t work, etc.

Besides, it’s not just ONE person, seeming everyone says it every time a lemon has a scratch or a blemish or too many seeds. And then they dramatize it by calling it an “abusive relationship”.

aStonedSanta , 4 months ago

Yup. I’m about over lemmy cause of this shit. Linux bros are worse than vegans.

knexcar , 4 months ago (edited 4 months ago)

Agreed, just glance at the linked Reddit thread and it’s refreshing how little Linux is mentioned. I’m really tired of seeing it (and related FOSS circlejerking) on every vaguely related Lemmy thread and I suspect that’s where most of the “Linux bashing” is coming from, we’re just sick of it.

AzureRT , 4 months ago

“or the screen brightness not dimming”

This. Have this issue on my laptop, tried to fix it, didn’t work. Not gonna bother with Linux now when I’ve had this issue happen to me both on said laptop and my desktop

I can see the appeal in Linux and wouldn’t mind continuing to use it, but I will stick with Windows because I am more familiar with it and because I play games that can only run on it (Not saying this part to you but just in general)

FoxBJK , 4 months ago

OK well if you’re looking for the actual solution to the problem brought up in this thread… here: i.imgur.com/nHEcFG2r.png

MonkeMischief , 4 months ago

I mean “Just fix Microsoft and change its direction to be less consistently hostile and disrespectful of users” is a solution…

“Put an end to the data and attention harvesting economy” is another.

…but…switching OSs was easier for me personally, until we figure out how to wrangle a tech behemoth or fix underlying problems with human civilization.

echodot , 4 months ago

As is everyone taking every possible opportunity to mention Linux. It’s not like we don’t know it exists, we don’t need constantly reminding that it’s an option.

Although it isn’t an option for a vast number of reasons, but mostly because corporate IT requires systems that run only on Windows. Therefore the only solution is Windows so the fact another operating system exists is utterly irrelevant and yet somehow you guys constantly keep mentioning it. Then we constantly have to point out that lots and lots of programs don’t run on Linux and then you will inhibitively start going on about Wine. It’s tiring. I would love it if we could have a conversation about Microsoft without having to pretend that other operating systems are viable alternatives.

TwilightVulpine , 4 months ago

If Linux is not for you that’s understandable. The thing here is that they are not having a conversation about Microsoft. They are having the pettiest, least technical possible discussion about Linux, it’s devolving to pure clique shit talking.

If you want to talk about Microsoft, just talk about Microsoft.

HKayn , 4 months ago

Problem is, whenever you try taking about Microsoft, someone just has to interject and be like “yeah you should be using Linux instead”

Rustmilian , 4 months ago

Then stop talking about Microsoft

https://media.tenor.com/aQ41XW_L7AEAAAAM/bee-surprised.gif

/s

voodooattack , 4 months ago

I’d just like to interject for a moment…

intensely_human , 4 months ago

And whenever someone mentions Linux, we have to take up 75% of the thread responding to it.

Rustmilian , 4 months ago

That’s actually hilarious.

UnderpantsWeevil , 4 months ago

The Microsoft company is not happy with me–that’s okay, I’ll still keep downloading patches for that garbage.

Alborlin , 4 months ago

Or how about

1. You can’t easily define what apps start with startup
2. Even when wine is installed , lot of programs won’t run in wine
3. You cannot easily find where the program is installed like you can in windows
4. You attach a external disk but some apps won’t see it mounted making it Impossible to explore in their file picker , not all but some
5. There is almost huge lack of programs , for which there is huge possibility that a windows program exists.
6. There is constant need to use terminal for lot of things for which you can’t a program see point 4.

I keep telling Linux is still not for common home use for users who are in between power users and people only using it for browsing. This will get me downvotes here on Lemmy all the time . Linux edge lords are their own bubble.

icedterminal , 4 months ago

All but one of your points here appear to be your lack of understanding Linux and/or user error. Point 4 (2) is understandable due to Windows just being the default and most popular choice.

aStonedSanta , 4 months ago

And that’s exactly the fucking point. It’s a terrible idea to tell people to switch. Cause they don’t understand it.

icedterminal , 4 months ago

That’s not a very strong argument.

When you started a job, did you understand it all? When you first started using Windows, Android or iOS, did you understand it all? No you didn’t. As with anything you’ve never used or done before, you won’t understand the ins and outs or know what to do in many situations. You learn about them. I certainly didn’t know much about Linux when I started using it. In an IT environment, I had to learn. I work with Windows and Linux on a daily basis. Both have their strengths and weaknesses. I use both on my personal devices.

aStonedSanta , 4 months ago

No. But starting a job pays me. Changing OS over a minor feature is a completely insane waste of my time. You are aware of the context of this post right??

HowManyNimons , 4 months ago

You wanna know what my job pays me to do? Create and edit Visual Studio solutions. Checkmate atheists.

SpaceCadet , 4 months ago

Even point 4 is something I have never experienced, and is probably also lack of understanding.

A filesystem is either mounted or it isn’t. Mounted for one program but not for another doesn’t exist. If they don’t see it in the filepicker, they probably just don’t know the mount point.

icedterminal , 4 months ago

Point 4 is listed twice in the comment. So I used “4 (2)” to point out what I was responding to. The second point 4.

unionagainstdhmo , 4 months ago

1. You can’t easily define what apps start with startup

https://aussie.zone/pictrs/image/f8537785-ff20-4bd4-8952-27893b4867f8.png

For point 2, that is true and improving. Always do some research about program compatibility before completely changing your computer’s OS.

For point 3. Programs are generally installed in /usr/bin and ~/.var/app for Flatpaks (analogous to MS Store). Much easier than finding where MS store apps are installed.

Never come across point 4, so I can’t dismiss it.

5. As with 2, depends on your usecase
6. GNOME Disk manager (comes with Fedora and Ubuntu) has options to mount drives to arbitrary locations if needed.

I understand your argument but making points like these don’t really contribute to the discussion.

Harbinger01173430 , 4 months ago

Why is micro shit even the first choice? Go ChromeOS or something cool. Smh

FoxBJK , 4 months ago

Because MS puts work into backwards compatibility, so the business who paid someone to write an app for them 30 years ago can still use it today on a Win11 box. No shot of that happening on macOS, who has deprecated PowerPC and 32-bit support, and Linux is just too much of a wildcard.

mods_are_assholes , 4 months ago

Fuck linux, the’ve had 30 years to make a consumer grade product but NoooOOooo all the devs spend their energy making 50 different weakly compatible distros that no one needs.

I’ll say it again, fuck linux. Fuck linux and its shitty community of elitist basement trolls.

Twitches , 4 months ago

Maybe the mods wouldn’t be an asshole to you if you didn’t act like one yourself

mods_are_assholes , 4 months ago

They started it, and I’m not backing down.

veniasilente , 4 months ago

Are you ok?

mods_are_assholes , 4 months ago

No one appreciates concern trolling

HKayn , 4 months ago

Just once I would love to open one of these threads without seeing people spam “USE LINOOX INSTEAD!”

smileyhead , 4 months ago

• Switched to Linux years ago
• Sometimes I need to help a friend or do professional work for someone else’s komputer
• I am annoyed about some stupid Windows thing I have to deal with
• People tell me to switch to Linux

HKayn , 4 months ago

But Linux can do everything that Windows can!!! :)))) /s

BradleyUffner , 4 months ago

Well maybe stop suggesting that the solution to every tiny little cosmetic inconvenience is to completely switch operating systems to one that has notoriously flakey hardware support.

thedeadwalking4242 , 4 months ago

Ah yes notoriously flakey hardware support. Like Microsoft doesn’t used it to power their entire cloud platform. The hardware support argument is dying tbh used to be true about 20 years ago

BradleyUffner , 4 months ago

Nope, still true of the last time I tried Linux last year. The sound system stopped working after every reboot, and clicking the distro’s built-in update button completely trashed the system.

But it doesn’t have an AI button in the corner, so I guess that solves my problem!

voodooattack , 4 months ago

Maybe try another distro?

Also I’m curious. What distro were you testing with?

BradleyUffner , 4 months ago

The last time I tested the waters it was with Debian, Mint, and Ubuntu. Each one had some kind of issue on my system that made me give up.

I usually check in once a year or so to see if things have improved.

unionagainstdhmo , 4 months ago

That’s really weird. What kind of hardware have you got?

BradleyUffner , 4 months ago

It’s nothing crazy. All built within the last 3 years. I know the biggest issue is caused by having an Nvidia card. I can get the exact specs for you once I get home.

unionagainstdhmo , 4 months ago

That is odd. I’ve been using NVIDIA and haven’t really had any issues apart from just installing the proprietary driver through the package manager. People like to make out that NVIDIA is really bad on Linux, but lately it’s been pretty good. My Quadro ~10 year old Quadro M2000 is still supported by the latest driver. Same cannot be said for more recent AMD APUs (looking at you Vega 10).

Maybe next time you try Linux try Fedora since it has more recent drivers, etc. Just make sure you follow the instructions to install the NVIDIA proprietary drivers from RPMFusion. rpmfusion.org/Howto/NVIDIA

Otherwise PopOS is apparently good since it bundles the NVIDIA driver with the iso. It’s just been a bit buggy in my experience.

voodooattack , 4 months ago

These are all Debian based. Debian is notorious for using old kernels and spotty hardware support. I had similar issues trying to install Ubuntu on a new-ish PC recently. Fedora worked like a charm though.

I was tempted to try Nobara since it was a gaming pc but I was discouraged by opinions from the community telling me it was not exactly the best idea.

Next time I might go for Bluefin though. It’s based on Fedora Silverblue (immutable OS) and I’ve heard great things about it. Apparently also has GPU drivers for NVIDIA baked-in, which I need.

BradleyUffner , 4 months ago

Sounds interesting enough to give it another shot when I have some time.

MonkeMischief , 4 months ago

If it helps, I’ve been running OpenSUSE Tumbleweed on my main 3D/gamedev production rig for a while. Yes, using NVIDIA too!

It’s a “rolling release”, so it’s cutting edge with supported hardware and all the software updates. It’s surprisingly stable because of the automated testing they run through.

I’ve had bad updates before, BUT, if you install your system using the BTRFS file system (default), you get something called Snapper that works similar to “Windows System Restore”. You can just roll back to a previous snapshot and either re-update or wait until things are more stable.

Nvidia has proprietary drivers for OpenSUSE as well, and since I’ve used those, I haven’t had very many problems.

The biggest issue I have is that my machine has trouble waking from suspend. It’s a tricky one to nail down, from what I understand.

Multiple monitors with different refresh rates is iffy, but I disabled “Kscreen” and have had no problems. (Don’t worry about this but wanted to mention it just in case)

KDE is pretty neat and I felt at home coming from Win10. Now I only dual boot into Win10 for occasional games. I’m not touching Win11 at all, so I’ll migrate my games over once 10 is no longer viable to hang on to.

Lastly, the community is really helpful and kind. They’ve helped me out a lot and I’ve learned a ton. Maybe I’m a nerd but I found “computing” to be a lot more fun on Linux. The biggest hazard being getting distracted cozying up your computer instead of whatever you signed on to do.

Sorry for the long post, but hope you might find it useful. :)

aStonedSanta , 4 months ago

Maybe suggest a solution instead of a fucking entire new OS. It’s like the “just move” people.

MonkeMischief , 4 months ago

I think the problem here is that a majority of the power to change lies in Microsoft’s hands. It’s their OS, and there’s not a whole ton we can do to halt their constant, greedy arrogance.

So, switching to Linux isn’t the easiest “solve all your problems” solution, but in the long run it simply removes a lot of stress of constantly wondering what stupidity Microsoft is going to force on you next because they “know better” and figuring out how to counter it with some hacky fix. (But also knowing no matter how hard you try, the thing is built to profit off of you.)

If somehow we could make Windows feel like it was OURS instead of THEIRS again, I’m sure people would be all for it.

Zetta , 4 months ago

I would say “notoriously flakey hardware support” is a false statement these days

BradleyUffner , 4 months ago

Nope, still true of the last time I tried Linux last year. The sound system stopped working after every reboot, and clicking the distro’s built-in update button completely trashed the system.

But it doesn’t have an AI button in the corner, so I guess that solves my problem!

aStonedSanta , 4 months ago

Nope. And that’s the problem and why people like us tell the Linux fan boys to fuck off.

Zetta , 4 months ago

¯_(ツ)_/¯ Well in my personal experience it has been rock solid

Hamartiogonic , 4 months ago

I guess people downvoting you are thinking of Brother printers, AMD graphics cards and Intel WiFi cards. Sure, it’s great when you have the right hardware, but what if you don’t. I’ve banged my head against Optimus and Broadcom, until I learned to be extra picky when buying a laptop.

Lucidlethargy , 4 months ago

Lol holy persecution complex, batman… This is a thread shitting on Windows.

TwilightVulpine , 4 months ago

You’d think but here we have your annoying ass throwing insults at someone you think uses Linux.

uSpetzWon , 4 months ago

It happens because Linux users are like vegans. They can’t shut up about it. And they don’t realize that using Linux doesn’t make them special or a member of some cool club nor does it mean that they have any friends.

SparrowRanjitScaur , 4 months ago

I love Linux, but it’s extremely annoying how many threads there are showing a mildly annoying and optional feature in Windows with 10 people replying “Use Linux!”. As if Linux doesn’t have a ridiculous number of UX problems itself.

Soggytoast , 4 months ago

Windows 11 offers nothing better than Windows 10, but there’s a few key things that don’t work as good/bugged on win11 for me. Should have not updated I think

JigglySackles , 4 months ago

Bluetooth connection on win 11 is an awful drop in quality

Steak , 4 months ago

Okay it’s not just me

JigglySackles , 4 months ago

Not at all. I couldn’t go for more than a couple hours on win 11 without an issue with BT. Whereas I basically don’t have issues with BT on Win 10. Maybe once every few months with a controller, but that’s just a quick re-pairing to sort.

DacoTaco , 4 months ago

The only thing windows 11 had that windows 10 didnt is wslg ( the integrated x server in windows substystem for linux, aka the linux vm inside windows ), but they ported that to win10 last year. Fuck windows 11…

Dragon_Titan , 4 months ago

There’s performance issues with this years windows updates especially if you have an amd CPU

This is the Last time I update win 11, only exception is their security patches they not buggy.

EvolvedTurtle , 4 months ago

Honestly If I’m going to upgrade my OS it’s gonna be Linux not Windows 11

TheLowestStone , 4 months ago

I just went out of my way to buy a refurbished laptop with Win10 instead of a brand new one with Win11.

emmie , 4 months ago (edited 4 months ago)

macOS here yay, the ui is sooo good

Windows is seriously worst mix out of the three options. The only thing it has is legacy programs support and it’s not even a pro just a feature someone may need

And VR gaming yeah unfortunately I am not sure anything will replace my gaming 4090 7800x3d rig soon. Unless I will just get bored with it.

Worst thing is windows isn’t even better for gaming. It’s just better because it’s what devs release for because everyone uses it. It would be so much better on Mac or Linux, you know actual modern systems instead of the convoluted windows frankenstein one has to go back to to run the latest drivers.

I am almost ready to sell the rig and finally say goodbye if not for VR

JigglySackles , 4 months ago

I’ve tried Mac a few times, even had to use it in a job. I can’t make myself like the UI. It’s unintuitive and obtuse. And I can’t stand the walled garden.

ferralcat , 4 months ago

I will never understand how anyone can take the osx dock and menubar seriously. They’re both just objectively awful uz

JigglySackles , 4 months ago

The stupid icons just bouncing like mad used to annoy the shit out of me.

Warl0k3 , 4 months ago

Listen, the only reason I hate the Mac OS interface is the only reason you think it’s sooo good – we’re both used to what we use most frequently. The mac OS interface is, to me, borderline unusable. The stunning amount of wasted space when a window isn’t maximized and that godawful minimizing/maximizing start bar bullshit are impossible.

Mac is just as bad as windows, but trades being even more restricted and uncustomizable for increased privacy and hardware optimization.

linearchaos , 4 months ago

Win+d, I wasn’t even aware there was an icon for it. If it’s not the date, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, or VPN, I’m all keys

Kolanaki , 4 months ago

It’s not really an icon so much as a tiny sliver of empty space at the far right of the start bar.

dejected_warp_core , 4 months ago

THANK YOU. I’ve been losing my goddamn mind in this thread, trying to figure out what everyone was talking about.

I’m over here just mashing Win+M (manager/boss key) wondering what that had to do with AI.

ferralcat , 4 months ago

You can add it back in taskbar settings if you use it (and remove the copilot button if you hate it).

Poem_for_your_sprog , 4 months ago

What’s volume up/down?

linearchaos , 4 months ago

All my keyboards have Media keys for up, down and mute. The only reason I going to the tray volume if I need to turn the volume down on a single application that doesn’t support volume up and down.

Poem_for_your_sprog , 4 months ago

My mechanical keyboard doesn’t have volume :(

linearchaos , 4 months ago

You could do a pi pico project and make yourself a little three keyboard. :)