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photonic_sorcerer , in Just the basics

All that produce fresh from the factory!

Dmian ,
@Dmian@lemmy.world avatar

You see more green plants in the desert

TheFriar ,

Cactus

vsh ,
@vsh@lemm.ee avatar

Plant made into flavour

Brazzburry , in Gotta hold onto that power somehow

Not even tough… just like… slightly inconvenient

Olgratin_Magmatoe ,

Things aren’t tough yet. Wait until the effects if climate change absolutely destroy our shore lines, food and water supply, etc.

drathvedro , in The Lemmy experience

I’m fine with USA politics, because they got their hands up in everyone’s asses so it affects everyone.

What bothers me more is American football. Nobody except them even plays this game but it’s all over the news every time there’s a major event. Same for baseball.

_Sc00ter ,

You’re seeing NFL on lemmy? I don’t see it at all and wish I did. Where can I find it

son_named_bort ,

There is an NFL community on Lemmy World. It’s fairly small though.

Voytrekk ,
@Voytrekk@lemmy.world avatar
letsgocrazy ,

It bothers me when they just do it in every sub. Star Wars memes? Star Trek memes?

There’s no fucking escape.

doctorcrimson ,

The IFAF has 120 nations which play American Football, though? I’d love to see more about the Japanese league but it’s mostly a youth sport over there.

someguy3 , (edited )

We have essentially the same game in Canada. But I don’t care about it either. youtu.be/Rsqcokevi2A

HerbalGamer ,

I got a feed full of spam because they decided some form of fantasy football needed an entire instance, with seperate communities for each and every single fucking team.

nickwitha_k ,

I block this communities whenever they show up. Cleans up the feed really quick.

HerbalGamer ,

Yeah but there were a shitload of these

nickwitha_k ,

And I keep blocking em :).

SnowBunting ,

I rarely see American football on Lemmy. But my feed is set to local usually.

Gorilladrums ,

Lol American football is fun. Actually all the major American sports are fun. If that’s what bothers you then you should find an instance or a platform that’s not in English. Because most of the English communities are going to be dominated by Americans.

sip ,

Woosh

vidumec , in That guy used to be cool.
@vidumec@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

at least there are no grammar nazi bots, yet

“Pardon the interruption, but there appears to be a mistake in your 3 words reply. Here is a 5 paragraphs post, explaining the history of language starting from mesozoic era and extracts from 5 dictionaries on the word you just misspelled”

and then they make a separate bot for each possible mistake, so you have to block them over and over.

criticon ,

“your post is written in alphabetical order”

Most useless bot ever

morrowind ,
@morrowind@lemmy.ml avatar

That one was fun, rare enough to not be a bother

CileTheSane ,
@CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

“Hello frustrated by the recent changes, I’m Dadbot.”

Exists for no reason but to spam.

MargotRobbie , in Can we please

Somebody should make a movie around this message of jaded adults refinding their humanity in an absurd, hyperconsumerist world through the rejection of cynicism and embracing of liking things again, but cleverly disguise it as a movie made to sell plastic dolls to little girls to play on the concept of hyperconsumerism.

I think this hypothetical movie will be a smashing success in the box office. And probably win the lead actress an Oscar this year.

pthaloblue ,

I absolutely agree, I think you ahem that lead actress should win an Oscar.

But I think it’s important that we don’t let enjoying things become synonymous with liking (mindless purchasing) the corporate products that are being sold to us at a breakneck pace.

What ways do we have to still create our own ways to have fun? How can we make our own “weird barbies”?

MargotRobbie ,

The difference is that you should enjoy things not because nothing matters in this world (that would be hedonism.), but because the world matters to you, and you will fight to make it better.

There comes a point in everybody’s life where they are faced with their own mortality and finally figure out what they are meant to do. None of us will be here forever, so, I think we should use our short time on this Earth to fight for a world where everyone is free to find their way in life, and be themselves again.

Kinda vague, but everyone is different, so, everyone will have to figure it out on their own.

jayemar ,

I really like your first sentence. Great take, thanks for sharing.

ZombiFrancis ,

I’d like to think even as a jaded adult this isn’t just an impersonation.

And I assume the Ken dance off scene is an allegory to the obliteration of the ego resulting in self reflection?

MargotRobbie , (edited )

Ok if you had the opportunity to make Ryan Gosling do a dumb song and dance number you would have done the same thing.

It’s funny for actors to play against type because it’s unexpected. Like Leslie Nielsen in “Airplane!”, for example.

InputZero ,

Totally irrelevant to your comment, keep up the strike and hold the line! Assuming you’re the real Margot Robbie and have a prolific platform. I know it’s not fair, especially to the less recognizable members but a lot of other people who are thinking about unionizing are watching the WGA and SAG strikes to see if labour can still win. It’s not just you guys, we’re all with you. Even if they’re too stupid to realize this strike is more important than a new season of NCIS. Labour winning this strike proves that labour isn’t out of the fight and capital hasn’t completely won. Stay strong! Hold the line!

MargotRobbie ,

Thank you.

Valthorn , in I don't understand my neighbors

You have given Dobby clothes. Dobby is free!

LambChop , in Well deary, I wouldn't want to get in any trouble

I get unexplainable joy watching scammers get scammed on YouTube.

My favourite scam scammer is kitboga.

YourFavouriteNPC ,
@YourFavouriteNPC@feddit.de avatar

lol, I literally read the title in his “old woman voice” 😂

LambChop ,

Me too!

MrGerrit ,

Kitboga’s work is just epic. With all the programs he develops, sound effects, other people to help him, etc he uses it’s just like a modern day version of a radio hear play.

It isn’t just entertainment, it’s art.

Empricorn ,

And he’s literally doing good! Every minute a scammer is being baited is time they can’t try to scam innocent people…

Krauerking ,

I just want you guys to be aware of how weird and sad this sounds as someone outside of all this.

“I really like the people playing whack-a-mole with scammers, my favorite guy even makes it fun with colored lights and sound effects and gadgets he makes. It really makes me feel nice to know at least someone is punished for something I know is wrong but see little other efforts to solve. Ah fun catharsism.”

dulce_3t_decorum_3st ,
@dulce_3t_decorum_3st@lemmy.world avatar

Yes, you’re outside of all this. So you’re missing the point.

ZMonster ,
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mathterdark ,

“WHY DID YOU REDEEM IT??!?!?”

Classic.

Kerrigor , in Being “gifted”, only makes you wish you weren’t sometimes
@Kerrigor@kbin.social avatar

I'm in this picture and it makes me keenly aware of what I could accomplish if I didn't just coast by

blanketswithsmallpox ,
@blanketswithsmallpox@kbin.social avatar

AscendedMeme.jpg: Being Dumb | Being Gifted | Being Just Smart Enough to Coast by Easily in life while enjoying it.

ButtholeSpiders OP ,
@ButtholeSpiders@startrek.website avatar

Go with what makes you happiest, most often more effort can lead to less rewards. Ultimately you have to find your comfort zone.

KreekyBonez ,

wise words. I started just playing to my strengths a few years ago, instead of overachieving for the nebulous award of being “the best”, and my life has gotten immensely more fulfilling.

my current employer isn’t asking me to be the best in my field, just good at what I do, and that feels great. I get shit done, and don’t feel the need to constantly reinvent the wheel. or feel the stress of failure when something is over my head.

Squizzy ,

We all think we are there, it’s not a good mentality. No judgement, I am with you

OsrsNeedsF2P ,

I’m in this picture too, but the red part

Selmafudd , in Hasn't happened yet

My old man has told me this my whole life and I always tell him no, because I’m not a cunt. 42yo so far and still going strong.

PsychedSy ,

I’m more conservative than a lot of people here, but no, I’ll never be a religious nut cheering on death. If that’s conservative they can keep it.

Vegoon , in Enjoy it while it lasts.

Don’t just wait passively for it, take action. Everyone can contribute and together we will achieve big things. If we all work together the collapse is not just a dream.

NaoPb ,

People say that but it would help if they mention things to actually do.

beteljuice ,

Went vegan. Got 35 solar cells. Replaced lawn with native plants. Work from home. Spending a lot of time advocating online and to friends and family. Raising kids as environmentalists.

SolarNialamide ,

And you and kids are still gonna die from the effects of climate change and the collapse of society because a handful of billionaires and corporations only care about making more money next quarter in spite of every single other human being on the planet.

beteljuice ,

And also because of the billions of individuals such as yourself that decided it was hopeless.

NaoPb ,

THanks

SamVergeudetZeit ,
@SamVergeudetZeit@feddit.de avatar

theguardian.com/…/climate-crisis-villains-america… I mean, … the current profiteers which steer society into collapse have names.

NaoPb ,

What I notice is a lot of petrochemical companies, conglomerates, politicians and attorneys. And Facebook.Our best bet would be to steer clear of those, or at least as much as possible.

I have personally switched to a cleaner car (no electric since I cannot yet afford them), walk and cycle more often, no longer buy Unilever or Nestle products (though that’s more of a moral reason) and am even stricter with my energy consumption. I try to use most of my belongings as long as possible (unless they consume a lot of power) and try to repair everything until it is so broken and worn out that I have to replace it. Which I will replace it with something of a good quality that will last many years and preferably made locally, always trying to prevent buying from Chinese companies. My landlord (it’s a company but I can’t think of the word for it) has installed solar panels on my home 4 years ago and I am using LED lights and have replaced all CRT tv’s/monitors with LCD. Built newer computers with lower energy CPU’s. Lights that are frequently used have been put on a timer or sensor so they are automatically switched off. Other lights are turned off when leaving the room. I have switched to an electrical stove to prevent the need for fracking gas and earthquakes caused by natural gas pumping. Oh and my gardens mostly consist of grass and plants.

I think that’s about it.

Vegoon ,

Going vegan is according to the IPCC the single biggest step a individual can take. This does not take anything away from other actions we can simultaneous pursue. Veganism is growing and has despite being a small percentage of the population the potential for a change.

yogthos ,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

Counterpoint, eating a single billionaire would do more to reduce emissions than lifetime of veganism.

Sotuanduso ,

And it’d probably be a lot more convincing if my experience with vegans outside the past year or so weren’t composed entirely of people pushing it on the basis of “killing animals is wrong.”

Vegoon ,

Its a multitude of reasons for people to go vegan: The animals, their own health, the probability of not creating a living hell on earth. The reason why vegans try to convince others is often because after a few years most are so disconnected from the killing of others for taste where it is a giant argument. The suffering and abuse of 90 billion sentient land animals per year alone is for most good enough to stop supporting it. I have surrendered that argument for most discussions because it is hard to have that empathy while it is a part in your live. It wasn’t for me, although is was not challenged in that view back then. So now my arguments moved more towards egoism which sometimes works.

WaxedWookie ,

So long as we’re pushing for systemic change - we don’t dig ourselves out of this by “just taking personal responsibility” harder.

beteljuice ,

Gotta do both.

WaxedWookie ,

TBF, I can’t argue with that, but when we look at where the issue lays, it’s clear which we should prioritise. Just talking personal responsibility harder also doesn’t do much about the rest of your country, let alone the world.

beteljuice ,

What are countries and the world but a large group of individuals

WaxedWookie ,

Groups of people and organisations that submit to the power of a government that sets the rules for that group of people.

Change the rules, change the behaviour for the large group of individuals and the companies doing the lions share of the damage.

Change your behaviour, change the behaviour of one individual.

beteljuice , (edited )

Sure. Change your own scope that you control, and simultaneously work to change the system. But there is more than one system. Not just government systems. But also mental/social systems, for instance the meme that individual actions don’t amount to much. Imagine if everyone started believing their individual actions mattered.

WaxedWookie ,

Agreed with the caveat that compared to corporate contributions, individual contribution (within reason) is near irrelevant.

pedalmore ,

You’re basically saying that human culture doesn’t exist. We can foster a culture around sustainability, just like we have previously fostered a culture around greed and excess. Apathy and trying to minimize nudges towards sustainability only support the status quo.

WaxedWookie ,

I’m what now?

Go for it - foster a culture of sustainability. That’s not a bad thing, it’s just inadequate.

Do you think that’ll deliver the change we need, dramatically shifting the behaviour of corporations and billions of people before we’re out of time, or do you think that pushing those that set the rules of our society to force/motivate the corporations might do a more effective job?

You’re talking about fundamentally breaking capitalism, which I’m all for, but to imagine that those holding the wealth, and by extension, the power will be influenced to abandon the profit motive by some flowery language rather than pushing back against you to the greatest extent possible is magical thinking. You need the greater power of the government to force that change on them.

pedalmore ,

Seems like we’re stuck in a loop here then. I think you need an engaged populace first to build momentum around political and societal solutions. Which society do you think will force the government to actually solve the problem - a bunch of soft apathetic people blaming everyone else, or a society that at its core actually values sustainability and lives it on a personal level? Pretty sure you know the answer.

WaxedWookie ,

I actually think we broadly agree - my point is that the answer isn’t to just recycle harder at the individual level, or even to get members of your community to do the same (though it’s certainly a good thing to do) - the real change comes from the push for systemic change that’ll affect both the populace broadly, and corporations. Yes - the most effective way to do that is to build a community of people that are all pushing in the same direction - lobbying for policy/party changes in government, pushing companies to be better, etc.

Again, my views are a product of looking where the biggest contributions to the problem come from, and the changes where we can move the needle the most. A bunch of individuals changing is good, a bunch of individuals changing the government to change the whole state/country/corporate regulations is far better.

beteljuice ,

Anything but individual action is magic and flowery language. A system, a group, a corporation, an institution is made of individuals. How does ANY action start if not initiated by individuals? I will concede that cleaning up your own behavior may not move the needle much, but changing “the system” still requires individuals to take actions. What are you waiting for? Some magical hive mind to fix things?

WaxedWookie ,

Do you honestly think that wasn’t implied in me advocating for government action? If this is what you’re clinging to, you’re lost.

beteljuice ,

I’m lost huh? Tell me what you’ve done to help move the needle.

WaxedWookie ,

You’ve gone from strawmaning me to ad-hom purity testing, asking me to make non-falsifiable statements you could just dismiss as bullshit. Why be so dishonest when the fate of our civilisation is at stake? Why not acknowledge there’s a point here and take it on board instead? Make yourself more effective?

beteljuice ,

Dance with words all you want. I’m personally doing as much as I can to reduce my environmental footprint. You are just blowing hot air.

WaxedWookie ,

At what point did I suggest you weren’t trying? I’m pointing to the most effective, necessary course of action if things are going to meaningfully change. I’m not sure why you’re getting so defensive that you’d be so dishonest.

beteljuice ,

All I’ve done is suggest that individual action is important along with systemic change and you’ve done nothing but get on my case and label me. It’s not one or the other. This sort of binary thinking is the stupidity that is driving this world over the edge.

In any case, you claim that systemic change is the way. Please tell me how you are working on that. Let me sit down and strap in…

WaxedWookie ,

And I keep saying that individual action is positive, but inadequate, and shouldn’t come at the cost of more effective systemic solutions. I really can’t make it any simpler, nor can I understand why you’re getting bent out of shape at me saying it.

Do you want to insist on deflecting to non-falsifiable ad-homs, or do you want a list of things you can do to encourage systemic change?

beteljuice ,

You certainly know that individual action does not come at the cost of systemic solutions. Thats just horseshit. You aren’t discussing in good faith.

I’ve been doing my best to avoid accusations and ad hominem, but since you don’t really have interest in an honest discussion, I’ll be blunt: you are transparent, and obviously just too lazy and undisciplined to do anything personal about the situation, and want daddy authority figure and some tech god to fix everyone for you so you can go bury your head back in video games and burgers. Have a nice day.

WaxedWookie ,

It individual action certainly doesn’t come at the cost of systemic solutions, but it absolutely can if you expend your avaliable time and energy on it. This is why I said "so long as it doesn’t come at the expense of systemic solutions". We’ll add that to the growing tally of your dishonesty in the face of a threat to the species as I await any example of mine that holds up even momentarily.

We’ve also repeatedly established that you can, and given your dishonesty, almost certainly will dismiss anything I assert I’ve done is bullshit - absent evidence from either side, this is pointless. I’ve offered examples nonetheless. I also never implied or advocated for tech solutions - just legislative, policy, and social solutions… There’s that dishonesty yet again.

Consider why you insist on living in a fantasy bubble of your own bullshit and how relevant the solutions formed in fantasy land will be in the real world.

beteljuice ,

I’ve already listed several things I’ve done in this thread. You haven’t mentioned a single thing because you spend your time in the dark on your phone eating chips and arguing with people. You aren’t contributing anything, either through individual action or by changing the system.

WaxedWookie ,

I bet it’s nice there in fantasy land - you seem real insistent on staying at the cost your integrity.

ghost_of_faso2 ,
@ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml avatar

and those induviduals dont shape the structutres they inhabit that are causing these issues, they are born into them and compliance to these structures is enforced ideologically and through force and prison.

foggy ,

I mean we kinda can’t unless we convince billionaires to making money.

That seems to me the crux of the issue.

Vegoon ,

Veganism is the movement which has the highest potential to change society and is a huge impact on the environment. (IPCC: biggest single step one can take / even without fossile fuels our current food system will still contribute with +2°C to global warming)

And it does not take away from any other activity we should pursue in the fight for climate, while ending support for some billionaires like Wesley Batista

Lt_Cdr_Data ,

Dont use plastic straws, drive public transport or bike, buy bio food, donate to orgs, glue yourself to the street

and maybe… just maybe… you will change fuck all

MuffinX ,

Plastic straws have almost zero to none impact on climate change. It is one of the biggest virtue signaling campaings that managed to scam shit ton of gullible people. Climate change is a never ending process, those who can alter the process have way bigger means to affect it than you and me. Regulate the companies, end the “too big to fail” market monopoly, tax the shit out of billioners. Dont fall to their diversion strategy that we are to blame for any of this shit.

foggy ,

I love how McDonald’s went from paper cups/plastic straws to plastic cups/paper straws in my area.

Zana ,

Mine stopped using straws for a bit and gave a special lid that made it easier to sip your soda. That didn’t last long, we are now back to plastic cups and plastic straws.

DragonTypeWyvern ,

It wasn’t about climate change, it was about plastic waste giving turtles straws up their nostrils.

Krauerking ,

And they still eat floating plastic that they mistake for jellyfish.

No the straw thing was about a cute kid making a science fair project about “The Dangers of Straws!” With all the thought an elementary school student could offer to the conversation that was latched onto by the media to fill a time slot and get more media buzz.

Blackmist ,

Not only did it do fuck all to help, it was also really annoying.

Likely on purpose to make people not want to help the environment at all if it means having soggy paper in your drinks.

The paper straws couldn’t even be recycled.

mrpants ,

Not defending paper straws specifically but recycling is a scam. Anything common household material that is not plastic is inherently better than plastic from an environmental standpoint.

31337 ,

They’re compostable/biodegradable. I think the point was to reduce the affect of litter. Some municipalities give you an organic bin that’s collected, composted, then sold.

giffybiss ,

Speak concretely. What actions would you like them to take, and how will they help?

Sotuanduso ,

Just… y’know, take action.

Sotuanduso ,

Burn a barrel of oil in your backyard. Run the AC with the doors and windows open. Buy a heavy truck and take a cross-country joyride.

Before you downvote me, reread the comment two back in this chain.

Duamerthrax ,

Buy less, travel less, demand wfh.

No political will promote slowing the economy down even though that’s the simplest, most straightforward way to slow our pollution output. Our stockmarket and retirement plans are based on infinite growth, which is unfeasible even without climate change being a factor.

MBM ,

… did everyone misread your comment or am I crazy? I have faith that we can make horrible climate change a reality if we just put our minds to it.

DragonTypeWyvern ,

Nuclear Posadism is so Cold War. We need a new apocalyptic accelerationism.

Vegoon ,

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Vegoon ,

Some sure did, but I don’t mind it :)

samus12345 ,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

Some only read the first part, some appreciated the dark humor.

electriccars OP ,

If we all work together the collapse is not just a dream.

Hoping to speed up the collapse I see lol.

I drive a hybrid.

I recycle everything I can.

I pickup litter.

I try to be as power efficient as possible.

I’m not a vegetarian but I don’t eat meat everyday.

Plus, I post memes that stimulate conversation like this!

Vegoon ,

I am vegan since 5 years, before I was (don’t judge me, or do- its deserved) 10 years vegetarian. Since ~15 years? PV on my roof which feed into the grid many times more power than I used I rarely travel, not one flight. I advocate and work towards a sustainable future. Demonstrations and some political work. Go on, check my my posts and judge for yourself if I was maybe sarcastic?

electriccars OP ,

I just assumed you were joking. Good job on all you do!

Computerchairgeneral , in Enjoy it while it lasts.

Yeah. At least when nuclear war was the existential threat hanging over humanity you had the comfort that it would all be over in an instant. Now we get to watch a slow unraveling of civilization over decades while things continue to get worse. Fun times.

Tolstoshev ,

Fuck, I didn’t think I’d ever be nostalgic for the constant threat of being nuked, but here we are.

WHYAREWEALLCAPS ,

It'd be over in an instant for the lucky ones.

PZK , (edited ) in Lemmy might, MIGHT have a small bias towards the left

*Me saying a fairy tale scenario that will not exist under capitalism.

*Reality standing behind me.

You can’t and wont deliver a long term solution for “middle class” people by working within that system. The goal of capital is ultimately to have as few as people as possible, with as much power as possible. Any middle class you are talking about will become lower class and poverty class with enough time. It absurd that you can look at the current system and believe that it would ever deliver on your promise. Believing that it would work with an uncorrupt government is trying to say that there is an “ideal” version of capitalism out there and we just need to do that.

You are looking at the only version of capitalism that exists. Any regulations, safeguards, and safety nets will be corrupted and withered away eventually because the people and institutions that supposedly uphold these ideals will be rewarded for doing so. You create a competitive class system and you are shocked and outraged when people cash it out to gain, or maintain their social class to avoid becoming lower class.

sooper_dooper_roofer ,

“regulating capitalism” is like shooting yourself in the head, but you “regulate” it by putting a pillow in front because hopefully the pillow will generate safety for your head

CIWS-30 , in The Onion: America's Finest News Source

Au contraire, I think more rich people should take risks like this. It shows how macho and ahead of the curve and disruptive they are. All those other rich people that aren't willing to get into an experimental vehicle with risk of catastrophic failure and even death are just crybaby namby pamby cucks who aren't living their best lives!

Just buy ride it! If you were on your deathbead, and you looked back, wouldn't you regret not having tried it while you still could've?

/S

CowsLookLikeMaps ,

This, but unironically.

julianh , in Aaaand now she is being sued.

This isn’t an excuse to suddenly make fun of people’s weight. Lizzo may be a shitty person but that doesn’t mean you can also be a shitty person.

Hank ,

Or you can make fun of fat people and don't care. It's the one thing you can change about your appearance and not doing so is a sign of irresponsible neglect of your own body that shouldn't be encouraged.
It's like making fun of a weird fashion choice or a silly haircut. It's not like making fun of someones hight or dick size or whatever.

I'm saying that as someone who was overweight most of his adult life.

wheeldawg ,

Exactly. If she was just about not hating fat people, I’d be on board. But she seems to be all about normalizing being fat, and that is not okay at all.

Fat isn’t a good look. For anyone. Chubby chasers are fucked in the head. I’m all for weird preferences, but there are limits. And a preference for people that are completely unhealthy is past the limit for sure.

Hank ,

I'm not feeling the second part of your comment. If you care about who fucks who in a consensual manner without getting off from it you're weird.

FinalRemix ,

Ehh, I can see where they’re coming from. Choosing to be fat for the sake of it is self-harm.

Hank ,

And they're entitled to do this if they want to. But they can't expect me to not make fun of them for that.

birbboidaseed ,

In some places in the world, people are not entitled to do this.

julianh ,

Your oversimplifying. I agree I don’t think being overweight should be necessarily seen as a good thing, but that’s still someone’s personal business. They may be trying to loose weight. They may have a medical condition or an addiction to food. They may just not have access to good, healthy food, or are uneducated about how to eat healthy in the first place. Making fun of them is useless at best and hurtful at worst, because chances are, they know they’re overweight. They don’t need you to point that out to them.

Even if someone chooses to be overweight, making fun of them for it can still hurt others. By all means, say that it’s unhealthy and that it shouldn’t be normalized but don’t take it out on individuals, especially if you don’t know their situation.

Hank ,

Nah I think people should be more comfortable with a little mocking. Just because people won't speak it out loud doesn't mean you're not discriminated against and I'm worried censoring the expression of natural thoughts on that topic will cause discrimination to fester in a more subtle way.
The only people I won't make fun of are those I genuinely feel pity for and except of very very very few exceptions fat people are in a position to change their fate and patronizing them isn't doing them any favors.

julianh ,

You’re saying we should be blatantly discriminatory to prevent subtle discrimination? How does that make any sense? It’s like saying people with racist thought should just say them instead of shutting up. Or an better example: should we make fun of visibly disabled people? I’m sure plenty of people have “natural thoughts” when they see someone like that, but you shouldn’t say anything because that’d be a horrible thing to do.

Again, most overweight people know they’re overweight. They are already affected by it in their daily lives. They don’t need you to be a dick about it.

Hank ,

It circles back to that fat people have the autonomy to change their shortcomings.
But the thought about blind people getting bullied into gaining vision your argumentation put in my head is pretty entertaining.

julianh ,

So we should bully everyone about anything they have autonomy over? I should bully people for not filtering their water because it’s unhealthy? I should bully people for having a car because it’s bad for the environment?

I mean it’s not discrimination but it’s definitely just a dick thing to do. You mentioned haircuts earlier - if someone gets a haircut they like you shouldn’t make fun of them for it. They chose to get the haircut. They know how it looks. They know what people think of that style of haircut. Chosing to laugh at them for that isn’t doing anything and is just rude.

If you disagree with that I don’t think I have anything else to say. We just have completely different views.

Hank ,

Well it's you who basically comes back to repeat the same talking points over and over. And I was saying it's ok to make fun of fat people that you kinda escalated into bullying. You're strawmanning and all your arguments are just whataboutism. I should've shot that down earlier but you seem very polite.

vector_zero ,

that’s still someone’s personal business.

One major caveat: if they’re spilling over into the seat next to me in a theater or on an airplane, it suddenly becomes my business as well.

DrPop ,

Blame the airlines for making the seats smaller. I’m not even 200 pounds and I can’t sit comfortably in those things anymore. Movie theaters don’t usually have that issue unless it’s packed.

jerkface ,
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It’s more like making fun of your ignorance than your haircut. Like, hypothetically, you could fix your ignorance. But in practice, you can’t. It’s beyond you to even understand yourself.

HalcyonReverb ,

I have a family member who is constantly posting on social media about their weight and appearance, and has been doing so for easily a good 10+ years at this point. I am sympathetic to their struggle, and I feel bad that it affects their self esteem and whatnot, but on the other hand, if they had been putting in enough effort to lose even just 1 pound per month over the decade+ this has been happening, then they would have been able to stop posting about it by now. They are one of the most active social media users I know, so I know that they have plenty of time that they could divert towards being more active, they just simply choose not to. I can only feel so bad about that after so long.

Hank ,

I lost like 45lbs in three months. Losing weight isn't even difficult if you set your mind to it. Count how many calories you burn and then count the calories you eat. Eat less than you burn. Simple as that.

HalcyonReverb ,

Yup, calorie counting is where it’s at. I lost something like… 60? Pounds in the year leading up to my wedding by just counting calories, as I was too busy between working full time and going to college full time to go to the gym consistently enough to rely on that. People underestimate caloric intake and overestimate the impact of physical activity in my experience. Not to say that physical activity is not important, more so that you can overeat calories much more quickly than you can burn them off.

SlyFox , in Since we're railing on corporate America...

This was my father in-law. He developed sepsis from the foot they had to keep doing surgery on. On his hospital bed where he is hooked up to just about every machine possible, this man was on his laptop doing work and on a cell phone talking to this engineer and that engineer. After his foot was amputated, even on disability he was being called 24/7. He was the most important person in the region, he memorized every fiber optic line and location. His boss was treating him like shit to get him to quit, he didn’t like dad for some reason, so he pushed dad constantly and shamefully. Once dad died, they had the nerve to call us asking if he had any documents that could help them with a project, he was doing the job of 4-5 college graduates and they were barely managing. He only had his high school degree but the man knew his shit. He had an interview lined up at a new higher paying job, he was one week away, and he spent the last few months of his life crying from stress, hating his job, and just in near constant despair, the only thing that he was looking forward to was mine and my wife’s wedding. Corporate America is a vampire and not the sexy kind, the nosferatu kind.

Shard OP ,

I’m sorry for your loss.

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