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The problem there is the same as that of idealised communism, you're relying on humans to do what they typically don't do. Humans will take for themselves at the cost of communities if they feel they can get away with it, including the ones in government.

KepBen ,

Capitalism is literally predicated on “you should take for yourself at any cost” and does everything in its power to limit anything that might bring consequences.

Avnar ,

“Uncorupted Goverment” LoL when did that last happen under Capitalism?

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g8phcon2 ,

except of course no government can regulate a Freed market.

If we truly Freed the market of government controls the workers could ownership of the fruits of their labor and the laws of supply and demand would regulate the market naturally

Omega_Haxors ,

That’s just what happens when you actually ban pedo-nazis and racists instead of passively protect them like reddit does.

halfempty ,
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That's why I'm here. All the corporate owned social media are blatantly far-right fascists. Everywhere else is just thick with Nazis and racists.

T3rr4T3rr0r ,
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I came here to escape from the far left and their control over Reddit. The fediverse(kbin in my case) allows me to block any political shit, which makes my browsing experience far nicer.

nudnyekscentryk ,
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Reality is not left leaning. Leftist politics are reality-leaning

g8phcon2 ,

I'm a leftist and I disagree. Reality is politically neutral. I happen to believe unregulated a Freed market would result in a leftist market but we can't know that for sure until such time the revolution comes.

redempt ,

ok but how do you prevent the government from being influenced by the wealth of individuals. let me know when you find a way

kmkz_ninja ,

Well, I guess that means we should shut down the government and let the bears rifle through our trash-laden streets then.

redempt ,

there is another side to this equation

g8phcon2 ,

by eliminating government which, I suspect, will also eliminate wealth.

Bladerunner ,

The problem with that view is that it is idealistic in nature - government, by its very nature, will always become corrupt.

madeinthebackseat ,

The government is people. So all you’re saying is people, by nature, will always become corrupt.

Bladerunner ,

Sounds about right.

June ,

Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

So yea.

Graylitic ,

And Corporations aren’t?

Bladerunner ,

Corporations are even worse. I’m literally responding to the text in the meme.

Awoo ,

I’m saying it again since this is still top of /all/.

You literally left Reddit because of what capitalism did to it.

Egon ,
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This got them so mad before lmao.

eatmyass ,
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not only did they leave reddit because of capitalism did to it, but they came to a website started by a Marxist

Darth_Vader__ ,
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the rich poor disparity problem is unsolvable unless the solution is total control of the market and complete socialism.

Because for example I wanna take the risk and invest my money to start a buisness only if I can get a equally rewarding return in profit. Why else should I take that much risk and effort? It’s not like already established buisnesses starting a new one from scratch is incredibly risky until and if it grows big enough.

So in any economy where there won’t be having the incentive, no one will care enough to start any buisness. That makes it the govt’s job to literally run all the buisnesses to make every single product for every niche community, whetger it’s essential, luxury, hobbyist etc. And the govt can only manage so much. This is why socialist economy crumble in comparison to capitalist ones. Because in capitalist economy you MAY be rewarded for taking the risk, so people come up with all sorts of innovative stuff to become big. The downside, some of them become so successful that they become too big.

Frittiert ,

Is there an inherent need to have something like “businesses”? Do I have to be rewarded? Do I need all those niche products provided by those businesses?

Humans exist for a very long time. I am quite sure our ancestors survived pretty well without businesses, rewards, incentives, cosumerism or capitalism. Edit: And without billionaires. Especially without billionaires.

Darth_Vader__ ,
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Do I need all those niche products provided by those businesses?

You might not, but there are people who might want, and in a free country their needs are needs too.

I am quite sure our ancestors survived pretty well without businesses, rewards, incentives, cosumerism or capitalism

You suggesting we need to leave technology and luxury behind? Again you can but there are people who might want them

And demand creates incentive which creates innovation.

Frittiert ,

These were questions to ask yourself, to think about what really matters.

Wants do not equal needs. I might want to have a superyacht, but do I need one? Am I entitled to one? If I work “really hard”, is it fair that I get to spend tons of resources on my superyacht, while other people don’t know how to feed their children?

Yes, other people might want luxuries and technology, too. But is it fair that these luxuries / wealth are accumulating in the hands of a few individuals while there are people in the world who literally live in the dirt without a roof?

Maybe, if I wasn’t allowed to have my superyacht, we could improve living conditions for a lot of people, prevent people from dying etc. It is a distribution problem, and in a world of limited resources, we should strive to provide a more or less equal amount of wealth to every single human being, instead of a few guys having superyachts while others can barely afford shoes.

Also, since you wrote “free country” I assume you are American - I really cannot understand how someone could in all seriousness believe that they live in a free country. This is not a free country, you are not free. Sure, we can argue about the definition of “freedom”, but from my point of view people are not truly free when there are economic constraints, you can get shot because your skin does not have the right color, because of your sexual preferences, or even just because you have a fucking multicolored flag outside your store.

I don’t see myself as truly free either, but at least I have the possibilty to choose to do fuck all with my life, never working a single hour, never providing anything of “value” to society, and still I get provided basic necessities and an monthly income which can finance a basic life. I will not die because I can’t afford a doctor, I will not get shot because I am in the wrong neighborhood, police won’t approach me with drawn weapons if my skin is a little darker.

Now this got way too long, but maybe someone might read this some time and think a little bit about wants, needs, “freedom” and superyachts.

Darth_Vader__ ,
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I am not an american

And about that yacht, I can’t get enough wealth to buy superyacht unless 1) I provide some product/service that LOT of people buy or 2) I did some major heist. We can all agree to put the 2) in jail.

The “luxury” I was talking about is not “yacht”, but more like the mobile/PC you use. Certainly you don’t need a mobile or PC to live, but would you not buy a mobile and instead donate all your money to the homeless? I don’t think so.

In an ideal capitalist society, there will be a lot of competition in the market, all trying to get a market share. Therefore there will be lot of models of mobile and the buyers can choose exactoy what they want. In a socialist society, there will either be no mobiles, or one model.

eZen52 ,

Almost 1000 likes says is not such an heavy bias i would say.

archomrade ,

Twice as many comments says “disagree”

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