My parents asked when I planned on having kids, and I answered something along the lines of “I love my unborn children FAR too much to consider bringing them into this hell-hole.”
…that was maybe 5 years ago? They haven’t TOUCHED that topic since, lol.
I said the same thing to my parents and they said “Well if you enjoy life, so will your children!” They were really stumped when I told them I wouldn’t exactly say I “enjoy” life.
That’s weird because the world is in better shape than it was when I grew up. You have drills for what to do in active shooter situations. I had drills for what to do in case of a nuclear war. I don’t think it’s as much to do with how bad the world is vs how bad the economy is for young people… and I"m not even sure if it’s statistically worse. Certainly housing is worse. Are there any other metrics that are really worse? (This is an honest question, I"m not looking for a generational fight. None of us have any control over when we were born.) Wealth inequality has gotten worse, but it was pretty bad before too.
I guess what I"m really arguing is that I think there is too much negativity and pessimism in our society especially amongst the young. Some things do suck. But finding someone who you love and then deciding to start a family with them and creating a small pocket of a better world seems 100% worth it to me.
Economy is a huge one. If minimum wage kept pace with cost of living, it’d be something like $30 per hour today. That’s one of the hardest points to drive to older folks, cuz they see shit like pushes for $15 and think it’s ridiculous cuz theirs was only $5 and think we’re asking for three times more than what they earned; and simultaneously that the difference is only a factor of three. The cost of everything has left our earning potential in the dust, so we’re having to cut things like health insurance just to keep a roof over our head. Boomers had it WAY easy financially, but so many of them feel like they have a super human work ethic cuz they paid for college by working a summer… that shit doesn’t work anymore.
Climate is another hard hitter. We’re actively watching a mass extinction event kick off, and we know what needs to happen to fix it, but the people with the power to do anything about it don’t give a fuck, so the rest of us get to just watch helplessly as our planet dies. This situation is going to be worse and worse for every incoming generation, so shouldering our potential kids with that burden would be one of the cruelest things we’re capable of.
Then there’s culture. You’d think we’d have at least made some progress here, but no. The Nazis are back, white supremacism is rampant, and christofascism is a rapidly growing cancer that our political and justice systems don’t seem able or willing to address. All it takes is a meme on Facebook for WAY too many parents to abandon their children’s safety by denying them vaccines. Women are being denied healthcare and imprisoned for things like a miscarriage.
…and that’s today. Everything I mentioned is in a nose dive, so how much worse is it going to be in 5? 10? 50 years?
Who in their right mind would look at the dumpster fire we live in and think “Yup! This is a suitable environment to raise a kid!”? I know a lot of people just want their ‘bundle of joy’ but that’s completely ignoring the kid’s perspective - damning them to all ^that is selfish to a borderline evil extent.
Past generations wondered “Wow, I wonder what the future will look like?”, but nowadays we only think “The world is fucked and it’s only getting worse.”
I know doom thinking is bad and all that, but there is just so little reason to become excited about what’s to come
Let me suggest you find different corners of the internet to lurk in. I can’t imagine going back to a time before the internet, but one of the things it’s very good at is spreading outrage, bad news, problem after problem. If it’s getting overwhelming, maybe it would help to change your view. I’m not trying to sell you a picture of everything being perfect, just that there have always been big problems and the difference today is hearing them non-stop. Make it stop. Get a more balanced life picture.
That’s one of the hardest points to drive to older folks, cuz they see shit like pushes for $15 and think it’s ridiculous.
You might talk about income inequality here. A low minimum wage is not as much of a concern if you think those are all part time jobs for teenagers. I think a lot of people don’t really understand that with the shrinking middle class, there are way too many adults actually stuck in jobs close to minimum wage
I started replying in detail, but just let me suggest that you look around more. It’s always the bad news that makes headlines, outrage over disasters, but that’s not the full story. Every fear you expressed here also has measurable improvement, even if it doesn’t make headlines as often. Everything is getting better in many ways. We’re doing our usual muddling from one crisis to another, but there’s no reason to believe we’re finally doing a Thelma and Louise
Climate change and the loss of biodiversity is going to be catastrophic. The world is getting better by many metrics but that’s worthless if we can’t solve climate change.
Ten years ago, all too many people wouldn’t believe climate change was happening, even in the face of all the facts, and we were doing almost nothing about it. We were driving full speed down Fury Road.
Now, people no longer try to argue it’s not happening. Globally, renewables are the highest growth power generation. Electric vehicles are no longer a niche, but the fastest growth area of personal vehicles. In the US, we’re laggards in adopting but it is already making a measurable difference. We’re squinting ahead at Fury Road, thinking we might not want to go there.
While we may be zooming past our target of 1.5°C warming, at least we have our foot off the gas and are slowing. However , remember the climate is not binary, most of the affects just get worse as we cause more warming and there is no magic number we’re good at vs not good at.tipping points may be a different story, and they become more likely as things get worse, but even that doesn’t mean the end of civilization
Biodiversity is a tough one, though. Barely recognized, the impact is too abstract for most people to understand, and we don’t even have a specific goal or target to try for. We need people to be working on that next, but solving climate change is going to be step one
Your comment does a pretty good job of illustrating the main reasons: further wealth inequality, difficult housing market, and a crazier society that’s becoming more accepting of school shootings/shootings in general…not to mention climate change, more wars, and batshit politics becoming the norm globally. How bout that response to covid? If anything had ever disgusted me about this country it’s how brazenly people were willing to risk other people’s lives because they couldn’t be bothered to even attempt to be safe or consider others safety. As if i didn’t have enough reasons not to have kids before… it seems almost cruel to bring them into today’s world.
For sure, turning a blind eye to all that and escaping into a relationship and starting a family sounds great. You need a good job to do that…or you and your partner may both need good jobs to do that. Who watches the kids then? How much time will you actually get to spend with them? Are you going to saddle your parents or in-laws with the responsibility of raising them? Day care? What point is there in having children if you’re spending most of your time away from them? Disregard all that of course, if you’re rich ¯_(ツ)_/¯
I just don’t think I’m ready to spend all of my waking hours endlessly trying to produce enough income to maintain all the expenses that come with a family, while still putting aside money for the kids to go to college and a retirement fund to boot.
It would be nice to have a family, i just don’t think it’s practical anymore. I don’t believe it’s the simple choice you make it out to be (at least that’s how i interpreted the last sentence of your comment)
Over having nuclear war hanging over your head enough you need drills for it? Yes, it is an improvement. Very much so.
While shooters are way too much of a problem that we’re not addressing, they’re still actually pretty rare. Most people will be never be affected. I’m not trying to stick my head in the sand here or minimize the issue, just add the perspective that sometimes “way too often” is still rare. We need to be outraged, we need to do something, but this is not as likely for most of us as the internet might make you believe
Nuclear war was only a threat for Americans because they were starting the war. They still have this threat they just ignore it. The US is in the middle of trying to start wars with China
I used to scoff at people being pessimistic that society is getting worse. But all the material security and safety is mitigated as climate change is getting worse and scientists are not optimistic about the prospects. And the phenomenon is inducing loss of biodiversity and food and migration which causes social tensions. I agree that the current society is much better off than the previous generations but I’m afraid we can’t say the same about the future ones.
I once set up vpn on a remote system via ssh, and then wondered for a split second why my connection went down when the remote machine switched to being connected to the internet via the vpn.
Oh man, back when I was a network tech, I did something similar to a remote site’s router. My dumbass forgot to set the reboot after 15 minutes command as a failsafe (it reboots the device without saving in case your config kicks you out and you’re unable to remote back in due to a config change). Yep… Had to drive 6 hours round trip to fix that fuck up as it was an unmanned site.
Back in the day, Foundry Edge switches had a one command to set the vlans on a trunk interface and separate command to ADD a vlan to that trunk interface.
It was a rite of passage to drive to the customer site and reboot the chassis to get management access back.
I’ve done the exact same thing from another country >1000 miles away, I was glad that I lived with my parents at that time and I just asked them to restart the PC
The explanation of why they’re a bad idea is valid though. Usually the kinds of people who know just enough to want this type of plug are also the type of people I wouldn’t trust with one.
**Edit:**I’ll go ahead and explain why people want plugs like this. These can be used to backfeed power from a generator into a house, letting you used different outlets/lights in the house. A knowledgeable person can actually use something like this safely, but most people who would use something like this don’t know enough to do it correctly. The dangers about doing this are:
You can easily shock yourself off of the exposed pins of the cord. You can avoid getting shocked by waiting to plug into the generator until the other end is connected first.
You can backfeed power onto the electrical grid. The power going backwards through the transformers will step up the voltage to thousands of volts, and could seriously injure or kill the linemen who are trying to fix the outage. This is avoided by making sure you’ve opened either the house’s main disconnect breaker or the breaker for the individual circuit you’re plugging into.
There are some safer ways to setup this type of generator use, there are special generator power cords/outlets that won’t have exposed energized prongs if plugged into a generator. There are also transfer switches or breaker interlock kits designed to prevent someone from being able to backfeed power by requiring them to disconnect commercial power before the generator can be fed into the house’s distribution panel.
Even funnier is if you click on the brand SCTOU to see other products, the other items from SCTOU appear to be questionable body armor and anti-bird spikes. Seller names are different as well, but they’re all similar random Chinese names.
I'm not well informed, but I wouldn't be surprised if in some places it wouldn't be legal to sell that kind of cords (because of being a safety hazard and such).
Years ago, I read an article that this is a big problem already in the north of Sweden. They have no sunset for quite a while in winter summer.
They solve it with a rule somewhere that you can orient this on the next major city. Some interpret that to be Stockholm, others as the next major Islamic city which is Istanbul. Both feel bad about eating while the sun is out, especially when they are born is the “Muslim world”, therefore near the equator relatively speaking
Just more proof that the religion is fake: it only mentions things in a certain location because that's where its authors were. They couldn't have conceived of a place IRL where the sun never sets.
You are factually incorrect. The scriptures themselves talk about what to do in situations when the sun doesn’t set (in particular with regard to prayer). To reiterate, it’s not some religious thinker’s opinion, but the scriptures themselves.
We said, “Allah’s Messenger, how long would he stay on the earth?” He (ﷺ) said, “For forty days, one day like a year and one day like a month and one day like a week and the rest of the days would be like your days.” We said, “Allah’s Messenger, would one day’s prayer suffice for the prayers of day equal to one year?” Thereupon he (ﷺ) said, “No, but you must make an estimate of time (and then observe prayer).”
I appreciate you providing a source instead of telling the other commenter to find it themselves. You didn’t have to, but you did anyway, and I think in this day and age that’s very respectable.
There was a super interesting situation when the first Malaysian cosmonaut went to the ISS. He wasn't the first Muslim in space, but he was apparently the first to ask for guidance about things like how to correctly conduct his daily prayers and how to observe Ramadan's fasting. The council he spoke to made a booklet called A Guideline of Performing Ibadah at the International Space Station (ISS), which includes the delightful checklist for how to orient yourself for daily prayers: towards the kaaba if you can, if not then the kaaba's projection, if not that then just the Earth in general, and if even that isn't practical then wherever.
If you don't know the direction of the Kaaba', then you try approximating. if you can't, then pray facing any direction. I don't know where the other ones come from, but this is not coming from the council, but a hadeeth.
The rules I listed there are what's in that booklet I mentioned for the specific case of being aboard the ISS, I'm not saying that they're general guidance for all Muslims. I don't know if there's a more appropriate word than "council" for the group of people that put it together for the Angkasawan program, though
I am not saying that the rules are wrong, just that most of them are from a hadeeth. So the council could've just used that instead of making the booklet, but it's still interesting that they did.
Would that rule apply here though, because the Cosmonaut does have knowledge about where Kaaba’ is. The problem would be that with the speeds in question the Kaaba’ doesn’t (relative to the Cosmonaut) stay there very long.
which includes the delightful checklist for how to orient yourself for daily prayers: towards the kaaba if you can, if not then the kaaba’s projection
In Low Earth Orbit (LEO) where the ISS orbits, its only about 200 miles straight up. It also makes a complete orbit of the Earth every 90 minutes with the Earth rotating underneath it to produce a zig zag pattern to an observer on a flat plane.
Because the ISS and the Earth are moving so fast, that would mean if you were oriented properly facing Kaaba when you started your prayer, pretty quickly during your prayer you’re not going to be facing it anymore. Is the prayer still proper as long as it starts when you’re facing Kaaba? Do you have to reorient yourself at the beginning of the next prayer?
I suppose with only the friction of air in the ISS against your body and you waited until the ISS was at apogee or perigee you could get one of your fellow Astronauts/Cosmonauts to orient you and impart a very slow rotation on your body matching the half the orbital period while being pointed to Kaaba’s (projection into space). That would buy you 45 minutes at the most assuming you’re at apogee or perigee. Hmm, there would also have to be a few orbits this wouldn’t work where Kaaba would be “east” relative to the Astronaut at apogee, but transits Kaaba during the orbit causing Kaaba to then be behind the Astronaut or now “west”.
Such precision isn’t required by the religion, but it is an interesting problem. Facing Mecca for prayers from anywhere in the world and determining prayer timings were scientific problems that drove early Muslims make advancements in astronomy, cartography, etc.
I’m showing my bias, I hope not to offend: how does someone understanding/expert in enough math and science to become an astronaut still believe that the magic sky man cares what direction he bows in during prayer or when he eats? If it’s cultural significance I can understand that, but otherwise I just can’t comprehend how you can have such a dissonance between empiric study/career and fundamentalist religious belief
Human beings are sentimental creatures. Faith often conflicts with logic. As a person who doesn’t believe in any sky daddy, I find it kind of inspiring that someone who’s smart enough in math and science could still believe in their religion.
As “a person who doesn’t believe in any sky daddy” I don’t understand why you would find inspiration in something directly contradictory to your own purported views
Just because they don’t personally feel a way doesn’t mean they can’t appreciate those who do. I personally don’t want to study physics, but I can find Feynman’s pursuit of it inspiring. I don’t personally have the BFF relationship with my mom, but I find it great that some people do. Etc etc.
You could at least avoid phrases that are overtly used to insult the belief. “How can someone who applies scientific thinking so broadly still have religious beliefs that contradict scientific observations?”
Many scientists are still religious. They find their god(s) in the gaps that science can’t explain yet. How the universe was created, how life first started, why the universal constants are set up the way they are. There’s a lot of things that science hasn’t explained yet where one can look for a god.
Signed, a stone cold atheist. But I still respect that some people want a little more out of their life. As long as it’s not hurting anyone, I don’t really care what they choose to believe or do with their time.
Such weak minds, to many there’s no compromises if somebody happens to have a different religion, but if it affects themselves the rules are very malleable.
Not talking specificly about Muslims, I see this with other religious fundamentalist as well.
For example saw orthodox Jews during a hot summer in NYC. The fuse blew out and AC stopped working, and apparently turning it back on was considered a work so they instead asked me to turn it on. So basically they are not allowed to do work, but asking someone to do the work for them on Sabbat is acceptable in God’s eyes?
So they should starve? The religion itself says self harm is forbidden. If it comes between disobeying religion and self harm you should choose disobeying religion. For example if you are starving you are permitted to eat non halal food.
I feel you misunderstood my comment. The context is that moslems have the rule not to eat before sunset during Ramadan which is difficult if the sun doesn’t set. All they judge is themselves. They feel guilty for not living up to their standards but finding a “cheat” if you will which isn’t fundamentalist at all, just normal practice
Coincidentally I asked this question to a very dedicated and educated Muslim just a few days ago. He said that using Mekka time is something some do, but most scholars agree that using the time of the next reasonable city is probably better.
Not to mention the history and lore of such things are immense in well-documented European and Asian history. The majority of that fantasy stuff comes from ancient cultures and societies peppered around those geographical areas. I’m sure that would be much the same everywhere if it weren’t for the lack of it being so heavily documented.
Opaque ones have a wider range of materials to choose from. Plastic is pretty unlikely to break, though. Glass is the only other transparent case and that would be brittle (guess which one modern phones use)
You know, it’d be kinda sick if someone made a device that had a colored glass case. Phone glass would probably still be too fragile to make an entire Gameboy or iMac out of, but it might be cool at least as a concept item.
I can’t imagine why it wouldn’t. The companies that make printers have always been scamming people with their printers and all the shitty things the printers do.
They’re designed to be shitty and expensive on purpose so that you have to call the guy to fix it and pay an enormous amount of money every time the printer stops working by design.
If they could get away with it, they would have made paper that only works on their printer, and it would be more expensive than normal paper but you have to use it.
how do people on this site not realize that the points next to your posts affect how your posts are sorted and are literally the exact same system as reddit? am i just so blind that i can actually see the numbers next to my posts or is everyone here just trying to be so anti-reddit they’ll make up bullshit that isn’t reality?
I never changed my opinion just so I get more karma on reddit either.
Lemmy’s system is no different from Reddit’s and my original comment was sarcastic. I’ve noticed sarcastic posts without /s get downvoted more easily on Lemmy for whatever reason.
There’s a lot more good faith here. On Reddit you could safely assume anything ridiculous was meant sarcastically, and usually be correct. Here, the sarcasm is not assumed so your comment is more likely to be judged as having been spoken sincerely.
Which is actually really nice, even if it gets a comment misunderstood from time to time. Reddit just feels shitty and hate-filled anymore. But Lemmy feels a great deal more emotionally neutral, and if I dare say so, human – which is to say, not attempting to increase emotional involvement and generate clicks by being provocative and antagonizing by design.
They are talking about karma as a thing you could collect, point totals for all posts added together displayed on your profile. Not the voting mechanism itself.
Lemmy also has that bro. Some clients display it and some don’t, but when I click on your name I see that you have 510 total comment score and 0 total post score.
It wasn’t important on Reddit. Even there you could only lose 15 points on any downvoted comment and you couldn’t lose points for posts. Karma was just a way to measure how frequently you interacted in an additive way. It’s only real utility was for mods to bar new accounts from posting without getting come karma from other places first. and Lemmy definitely needs something like that in the near future for moderation, but they have to fix the bug with the total first.
I believe the devs have said they aren’t going to make it officially visible, which is all I care about. If you want to make value judgements on people based on a number so bad that you had to find a client that shows it, more power to you.
I hadn’t thought about it until just now but IDK if that number is accurate. My instance doesn’t have downvotes, so if you view my profile from lemmy.one it might look like I have a higher karma than if you look from lemmy.world, I’m not sure.
Lemmy also has this and everyone’s point totals are visible from the API. If you’re not seeing it, that’s because your client is hiding it, not because it doesn’t exist.
The nice thing is though, it’s different for every server and from every server, so unless you follow a convention to say the user’s homeserver vote total is the definitive amount, then there’s no true karma.
My beehaw account is a great example. I made some comments on Lemmy world before it defederated. World and shitjustworks users can still vote on the old comments but they won’t count to my home total, and from Lemmy.world my vote total won’t change for that account significantly from that point. The vote totals on this lemmy.ca account will be different from lemmy.ca, beehaw.org or lemmy.world’s perspectives because the servers defederated can’t see the karma I earned on each comment on the other server, while lemmy.ca can see both.
Downvotes are also disabled on beehaw, so any downvotes won’t affect my total at all but could show on other servers.
Lastly, there are some servers with 40000 accounts and 3 active users (who post and comment), vote botting is feasibly a thing. Imagine if I made a Lemmy server at Rentlar.org and as the admin I made 20000 accounts who upvote me every where I post. I’d be the first user on Lemmy with 1M total votes, but would that mean anything other than I’m a somewhat tech-savvy narcissistic loser? No.
And there is 0 content so no one is going to show up. This site will fizzle out if all the admins don’t start pushing to grow so that nitch communities start getting populated.
The site will fizzle out if all the admins don’t start pushing to grow…
I know where you’re coming from but this is a misguided take, imo.
Servers like Lemmy.ca, beehaw.org,have stuck around just fine for over a year with less than 30 people actively posting. When I joined in March this year, All/New was the only way you could get a refreshed set of stories more than once a day. But it was fine like that too, imo.
So Lemmy servers can totally survive without the need to grow for growth’s sake. This mindset that says growth at all costs is what turns websites into shitholes like Twitter and Reddit, and reminds me too much of the hunger for infinite unsustainable growth commanded by capitalism.
if there is not a large population then there will be 0 small subs with interesting content and people will not use this platform. social media sites are successful by being a complete experience for as many users as possible. right now i can’t spend any time on this site to talk about any video game or media franchise at all. there is virtually 0 content, discussion, or news about that. its all memes and drama because posting and upvoting memes is easy content, but actually supporting users interests is hard. the only way this platform takes off from here is if some major influence is brought here inorganically because none of the admins seem to know fuck all about running a social media site.
And that system was irrelevant on Reddit just like it is here. You still have a total karma number in the API, every app I have used shows it, even if it is broken right now. Only the default theme on the web page hides the number. The only people who saw value in karma are the people who farmed it and the people who bitch about the people who farmed it. Either way, making posts that get a lot of upvotes specifically to get a lot of upvotes happens here just like I does on Reddit so idk what this OP is trying to say because they’re farming karma lol.
There were many subreddits that did not allow participation unless someone had a karma over a certain threshold. For many of them the threshold was pretty low, only meant to stop brand new accounts and trolls, but still.
Additionally, the “people who farmed it” often did so because a reddit account with a high karma score was literally worth money to adspammers and people running bots.
The karma system contributed to what made reddit bad.
I don’t see how that addresses any of what I said. If anything this seems like this would mean the subreddits that blocked people with no karma weren’t even doing it to block trolls, just new users.
I didn’t care about my karma or any specific persons, I like to get into arguments about stuff and that is how you get downvoted. I just don’t like the behaviour a karma system motivated.
If you’re getting downvoted in an argument, guess what, that means you’re bad at making arguments. And this system is exactly the same, regardless of if you can see it or not, sorting by top will still sort by the net sum of votes.
You really don’t seem to understand the mechanics of link aggregators and their comment sections. The votes are for curating content and downvoting posts that are not relevant or are poor quality is the entire point of the system. If you remove the ability to downvote bad content, you degrade the content for all the users. This is exactly why YouTube removing the dislike counter was an issue.
They never are on the front page. Idk why you don’t get this. If I sort by new I see them but only then. If I did see a post on the front page that I don’t like, obviously it is just a matter of taste. It doesn’t bother me that I can’t downvote it.
You really don’t understand how removing the recourse from users to downvote bad content is a negative to any link agregator? Do you just never go to small subs and see less than 5 posts from the last week and not understand that someone could just flood those communities with poor content and the only recourse is for mods to ban that user who could have not even violated their rules? This is to say nothing of how bad nitch communities are already on Lemmy, if we remove the users ability to group moderate it would be even worse.
It’s not spam, it’s content within the rules, it just bad. That’s the situation we’re trying to avoid so that bad content is seen by the least amount. Of users. When you can’t downvote bad content, the moderators have to remove the content so we have just pushed more work onto moderators. Congratulations.
Lots of bad content posted excessively is spam. I refuse to let you handwave that, that is what spam is. But I’d like to be done here, I’m not enjoying this back and forth. You keep whatever opinion you want.
So how do you know it’s bad content if no one downvoted it? A lack of upvotes does not mean it’s bad, it could easily mean no one saw it and they simply fall of their first page too quickly to ever see it, a common issue on Lemmy. You’re just making a judgement on what is or isn’t good content, meaning the quality is no measured by the mods, not the users.
Simple. If the post is old and has no upvotes, I assume everyone else thought it was bad.
But really, on a post by post basis, I make up my own mind? Do you not? Like, do you decide whether or not you like a post based on the votes it has? Because I just, like it or dont like it.
You’re a moderator, not a publisher. You don’t decide what is or is not good content, you decide what is or is not against the rules. If “bad content is not allowed” is a rule, witch it virtually is if you remove posts because no one upvotes them, then why would anyone post to a community that forces you to appease the mods before anyone else has seen your post. The downvotes mean the mods need to do less work and the community can self moderate good posts and good content with the push of a button. How you do not understand that pushing down bad content is fundamental to link aggregation and combating community vote manipulation after all the shit that happened in Reddit, even through the downvotes, is beyond me.
This is silly. I just disagree with I think all of it. Spam is bad and should be against the rules. Part of what made me personally so ready to leave reddit was the toxicity, and the favorite toy of the toxic redditor is the downvote.
this isn’t about what you agree with, your only counter to a situation where bad content can reach more people because no one can push it down is that it would never get upvoted in the first place, witch isn’t the issue with not having downvotes.
If you’re getting downvoted in an argument, guess what, that means you’re bad at making arguments.
I pretty much agree with your second sentence/point, but this is bullshit. I got so many downvotes on reddit for literal descriptions of my perceptions and experiences as a gay woman. Half the time there wasn’t even a debate or argument happening. As reddit culture skewed more and more conservative, many technical and nerdy communities became actively hostile to the basic facts of my existence. Then there are all the downvotes I got for believing in human and minority rights while downthread with some bigots. My more visible posts on the same topic would be solidly upvoted, while everything below the arrow was smashed below zero because only angry little shits followed the discussion that far. I agree that the system on Lemmy isn’t meaningfully different and will inevitably have the same effects, but sorting by voting over-centralizes the meta and destroys real discussion and diversity of experience and opinion. It literally only works in limited circumstances within subjects that have objectively correct answers. Anywhere else it introduces so much chaos.
I’m not saying people don’t pick sides in an argument, but the point is to convince someone you’re right, so if you’re not doing that, you’re getting downvotes meaning you’re either wasting your time or making bad arguments.
I’m not saying people don’t pick sides in an argument
What I’m saying is that these weren’t arguments. These were people weaponizing the voting system to keep minorities from self representing. I was downvoted below zero on a car repair sub for having runflats instead of a spare because I worked in and commuted through a bad part of town, often after midnight, where I wouldn’t feel safe stopping to change my tire. They made it clear that I was unwelcome because I am a woman, because my description of this gendered experience was unacceptable subreddit content.
I’m not going to argue with someone about the story they tell me and how it made them feel because an individual’s biased perspective is not an objective observation of how the vote system works. This isn’t about you.
You’ve declared someone you disagree with is making things up while criticizing the debate skills and tactics of those who disagree with you. What a fucking joke. You got some peer reviewed numbers to support your position about votes and arguments? Because from where I’m sitting, this nonsensical notion that people vote rigorously based on debate acumen and never with their emotions and libido along the lines of their existing beliefs is just as much a made up story. I’m not going to find numbers for a bad faith participant like you, but we already know people vote for real, important, world changing things with their emotions. The idea that the general populace is wildly more reasonable and responsible when the votes don’t matter at all is ludicrous.
LegionEris, I have seen what you describe many times, and you have put the case eloquently. I just wish you didn’t have to.
Meanwhile, as a latecomer I’m laughing my ass off because this comment now stands at -11:
If you’re getting downvoted in an argument, guess what, that means you’re bad at making arguments. And this system is exactly the same, regardless of if you can see it or not, sorting by top will still sort by the net sum of votes.
Arguably one difference is that on lemmy it’s just a straight up sum AFAIK, while on reddit there are some algorithms attached to tweak things so you can’t lose vast amounts of karma from a single shit comment and such.
you can only lose 15 points for a comment and 0 for a post. the only thing they do is they jitter the total points to fight botting. its designed to make karma a representation of content given, not necessarily that you have a high hit rate.
Karma is the total of upvotes and downvotes a user receives over time not just single posts and comments. It leads to discrimantory moderation and users tend to whore themselves out for upvotes to boast.
Ever heard of gallowboob?
It wasn’t a 1upvote=1karma system on Reddit. Mostly, Lemmy does it better by the community caring less and not having posts limited if a user is under a threshold.
The initial point of the karma system was to push to the top of discussions relevant information while the shitposts were put at the bottom. It works sometimes, sometimes it doesn’t.
I think, honestly, politics is the biggest issue here when it comes to the karma system and it doesn’t work well at all within it, but for many other things it’s actually a decent system and a good way to find relevant information in a thread without reading through 500 pages on a forum or something
So let’s assume that radio waves can control your mind and that tinfoil can stop the radio waves… what good is covering just the top of your head? Couldn’t the radio waves strike the mind from a lower angle? This defense is basically useless.
see… AM radio waves go up and bounce down, this makes it so they can travel farther and give you better reception when you are out in the boonies but the cost comes when the weather isn’t very good. FM broadcasts its waves in a more side ways that works best with line of site.
This lady is clearly frightened of the AM talk radio and religious nut waves coming from they sky and not of the cool easy jazz and soft hits of the 60’s 70’s and 80’s
I took some antenna theory courses back in the day and yes, you are correct. Some frequencies reflect off the upper atmosphere so there would be a longer effective range at higher incident angles (going into the top of the head) but it wouldn’t completely block radio waves. Going from memory, the wavelengths that reflect off the upper atmosphere are long enough that a tin foil hat wouldn’t cause much interference anyways.
Lower frequencies (like the HF range) can propagate further due to reflection/refraction with the earth and the ionosphere. Increasing the frequency can lead to e-skip and troposhpeheric ducting. But even the HF range has shorter wavelengths than our brains, which operate in much lower frequencies (Hz vs MHz). So you would think that our brainwaves would pass through tin-foil much more easily
But it’s the tin-foil’s electro-conduction that “foils” the electromagnetic waves’ (i.e radio waves’) ability to pass through it. But you would have to have no gaps in the tin-foil to completely block all waves from passing through. So like, an entire foil suit or a walking Faraday cage.
TL;DR - it’s not about the length of the electromagnetic wave, it’s the electro-conduction (insulating) property of the tin-foil that matters
people who seriously think stuff like that is real don’t subscribe to the same model of reality as we do, they just merrily invent models to describe things in whatever way enables their delusions.
they don’t think of radio as anything so fancy as waves or particles, it’s just a nebulous concept that works however they need it to for them to justify their insane beliefs.
There’s a small group of very talented gnomes inside of all radios that replay any songs they have heard before. This use to be a great arrangement for all gnomes and humans as the gnomes would receive housing and the humans get music.
Unfortunately gnomes are greedy lil shits and they ruined their cultural practice with advertising and rampant capitalism. They have completely destroyed their art form and integrity for the almighty dollar resulting is the decline of radio and the gnome housing crisis. The gnomes moved to the internet but over-saturated the music market making their was of living no longer viable. A few gnomes that have cornered the market while the rest live in abject poverty unable to compete.
I take apart bombs, missiles and other explosive ordnance for a living, and sometimes we have to wrap certain components or fuzes in aluminum foil to lower the effects of RF on them for transport. The general rule I follow is if you could put it underwater and water would get in, then radio frequencies won’t be deadened. So if she wants to be protected then she would have to create a watertight seal around her head and do us all a favor.
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