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DrSleepless , to lemmyshitpost in Maybe AI won't be taking all of our jobs after all?

Gotta have fear

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Just make sure to separate the yellow fear from the white fear.

KingJalopy ,

Once I got a double yellow fear. That was a good day.

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

Don’t pass on the double solid fear.

zero_spelled_with_an_ecks ,

Yep, especially if you’re a Green Lantern

deegeese ,

You should use all-purpose fear, bread fear will make the cake tough.

owenfromcanada ,
@owenfromcanada@lemmy.world avatar

If you don’t have fresh fear, canned fear works fine.

acceptable_pumpkin , to technology in Spotify re-invented the radio

I have the family premium plan and honestly love it. I haven’t downloaded an mp3 in years because Spotify is so convenient. As far as subscription services go, this one is top tier for me.

Now when we look at movie streaming… well that’s what the music streaming could have been like. What an absolute mess.

optissima ,

Looking forward to when you wake up and realize that you’re just emptily shilling for a company that would happily take your money while refusing features.

smokin_shinobi ,

Deep.

optissima ,

Why would you talk about how great the features that you pay when we’re talking about how they’re slashing free features then? I’m sure you love paying the same price to rent your music, the same price as just buying it, but that’s not what the conversation is about.

magamus ,

The amount of different genres I listen to means that the cost of the subscription is nowhere near what I would have to pay if I had to buy it.

smeg ,

I’m sure you love paying the same price to rent your music, the same price as just buying it, but that’s not what the conversation is about

It’s also complete bollocks. Family plan is £3 a month, let’s say an album costs £10. So in a year I could listen to basically all music for £36, or buy 3.6 albums. Maybe if I live to be a billion then it’ll cost the same price to buy the music rather than renting it, but for us mortals the subscription service is the better deal. It’s fine to not like people shilling for a profit-seeking company, but don’t make up nonsense to try and prove it’s not a good deal.

optissima ,

The Spotify Family plan is increasing by two euros, to £16.99 ($20.52).

This is as of 2021, where are you getting that it’s £3 a month? That’s £203.88 a year.

Where are you buying your albums? How is it that they’re all new releases, are you not recognizing that most of your music is not a release? How often do you listen to a full, new album? You likely don’t listen to more than 20 new songs a month anyways, unless you’re discovering a new genre. However, again, that’s not what this post is about, it’s about lowering the quality of the free features.

smeg ,

A family plan is shared between 6 accounts, I pay 1/6 of the cost. I probably listen to hundreds of new songs every month.

TurboDiesel ,
@TurboDiesel@lemmy.world avatar

/Iam14andThisisDeep

Touching_Grass ,

See how they down vote you. I hope that in the future they make a separate subscription model for each of these servixds. Like $2/month I get the pause feature. $5/week I get to control my own volume. $4/month I don’t have to loudly shout the brand name of the commercial to go back to my podcast.

This is how websites keep the lights on and you shouldn’t be so ungrateful. What would the internet look like if we got rid of how companies advertise to us.

In the future you should consider what you’re saying before speaking out against enshitificatin again and encroachment of mass marketing into our lives. It feeds

BraveSirZaphod ,
@BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social avatar

Perhaps, and this may be a crazy thought, there is some middle ground to be found between a company actively hemorrhaging money and it demanding infinite profit.

Now, I'm sure you do your job for no pay just out of the goodness of your heart, and that you even put your own money into it because you just love it so much. And that's very very good of you. But I just don't think I can really make the same demand of everyone, though I assure you, we all are looking up to you as an example, truly the absolute paragon of morality.

Touching_Grass ,

Why can’t you expect it. They expect to take from you. You mention middle ground. You don’t get to the middle ground by walk halfway towards someone that had no intention of meeting you halfway. But they will take every advantage you give them.

So no, there is no middle ground as this isn’t some fair negotiation.

I’m a consumer of a product and yesterday I had twice the product for twice as cheap. Today I don’t. I have no invested interest to market for the erosion of services on behalf of any private corporation or company. Especially large corporate entities who pay individuals hundreds of millions in contracts. How about standing up for your peers because they ain’t your peers. Demand cheaper better products and if they don’t budge then you shouldn’t either. Its okay to stand up for tour interest you don’t need to defend these practices especially when they go to the effort of capture a monopoly on the services right before they lock it all away.

You keep meeting them halfway they’ll keep moving where that is.

smokin_shinobi ,

I been paying for it and I don’t really see how I’m suddenly getting half the product for twice the cost.

Spotify is a sweet fucking deal for me. I listen to it for like 2500+ hours a year. It’s worth it to pay to not have to listen to ads alone.

What’s really crazy is how you dudes are quick to call people shills and corporate apologists and all this dumb shit when they just get value for the money. If you don’t like it don’t buy it. If you’re so upset about the free version then use something else. Nobody gives a fuck, we aren’t getting a commission here.

Music is a fucked industry. You want to support a band you go their shows and buy some merch same as always.

Touching_Grass ,

I haven’t called you any of that.

My point is that we can’t just ignore it or believe that just not subscribing is good enough.

These companies corner a market and become the leader in acceptable practices. So you choose to leave Spotify and pick an alternative just means your alternative adopts the thing you left Spotify for.

The only thing that counteracts this erosion of services and features for profit is cultural pressure. Companies would love for people to just not subscribe because its never enough pressure to get the company to change. There needs to be better organization from customers.

smokin_shinobi ,

There is no erosion of services dude. Why are you typing up essays on a premise that is faulty? If you pay for no ads you’re still getting no ads. It sounds like you’re bitching about free services changing which is wild.

If we all stand together we can bully them into providing top tier free services. That’s what you’re trying to say?

Touching_Grass ,

Why are you typing up essays on a premise that is faulty?

If you read more than twitter posts this wouldn’t come off like an essay. But I keep this short for you.

You complain about faulty premises and but start your whole premise on something factually wrong.

Erosion of features and services is so common it even has its own well known name, enshitification.

Yea bully them better known as the market. How its suppose to be designed to work.

smokin_shinobi ,

Yea twitter you got me.

What features are paid users losing with Spotify? If you think you’re entitled to a robust set of features for free then make them and distribute them freely.

Or you could keep whining on forums thinking you’re fighting the good fight I guess.

Touching_Grass ,

You played yourself coming all hot over having to read.

You didn’t read the post you’re on either.

I do contribute to projects when I can. Helping with open source is a fun hobby and does help fight against a lot of this.

What are you doing other than whining about having to read as if anyone forced you and adding practically nothing to a conversation you had no idea about before jumping in.

smokin_shinobi ,

“See how they down vote you.

Let me try to give a voice to the people down voting.

I hope that in the future they make a separate subscription model for each of these services.

$2/month I get the pause feature.

$5/week I get to control my own volume.

$4/month I don’t have to loudly shout the brand name of the commercial to go back to my podcast.

This is how websites keep the lights on and you shouldn’t be so ungrateful. We all know the pursuit of infinite profits means all these companies will continue to find more ways to squeeze customers. So I’ll go down with this ship even though just 5 years ago it was crazy to see a 2 minute unskippable ad but now there’s 3 of them and you’re an asshole for wanting to remove that.

What would the internet look like if we got rid of how companies advertise to us.

In the future you should consider what you’re saying before speaking out against enshitificatin and encroachment of mass marketing into our lives. It feeds. It never stops feeding and I am meat.“

This was your opening statement. Nobody is hot dude and you still have nothing to say about what service is being eroded. You’re popping off with the buzzword of the week and the shit don’t even apply here.

I’ll ask again, what features are paid users losing with Spotify?

Touching_Grass ,

what features are paid users losing with Spotify

Why would I care to do that. You’re on a post showing features being removed.

smokin_shinobi ,

Aka “I’m just bitching about not getting everything I want for free.”

Touching_Grass ,

Fucking clown shit. Start out complaining you can’t read. Finishes up by imagining easier arguments hoping you got a shot at those.

how you acting like you’re holier than bitching online about stuff 🤣

Nothing is free. Meta, one of the biggest companies online shows this. They’re making money off you every minute.

smokin_shinobi ,

So you still can’t point to the erosion of services for the paid Spotify?

Touching_Grass ,

No I can but I’m not going to. Its not critical to anything I have argued so far.

As I’ve already said the original post is all that’s needed.

You mentioned that you struggled with reading and it’s showing.

smokin_shinobi ,

So you can’t even defend your bullshit and you still want to try to talk down to people.

Touching_Grass ,

Dude, lol read ffs

smokin_shinobi ,

Read the screenshot? Is that what you mean wise old sage of the internet?

Touching_Grass ,

Figure it out shinobi

smokin_shinobi ,

But I’m so stupid and you’re so smart. Can’t you help the ignorant reach enlightenment?

Touching_Grass ,

You did start out complaining about reading.

You didn’t have prior knowledge before jumping in

Instead of engaging thoughtfully/respectfully with something you figured you knew everything and responded with sassy bullshit like “you don’t need an essay”

You took something you originally complained was an essay and made erroneous simplification to argue, still with foot in mouth.

You didn’t fully read what was said by asking me to prove a premise that wasn’t ever stated demanding I prove something to you that you misread.

I haven’t called you stupid but the way you’re engaging things here is

smokin_shinobi ,

Dickhead your opening comment was calling people meat for the machine. Pull your head out of your ass.

Touching_Grass ,

LoL what are you talking about now. Is this a new issue or what.

acceptable_pumpkin ,

Not sure how this is emptily shilling though. Am I paying for a service? Yes. Will I keep paying for a service if they start “refusing features?” Also yes.

Like I said in another comment, I was happy with Netflix back in the day, but now, nope. I have self hosted alternatives.

If a service is not worth it for me, I stop paying. Different people have that line at different levels, and for me, today’s Spotify Premium is worth it. In the future it may not be.

No need to be so hostile.

papertowels ,

We are all here on Lemmy because we see the value in self hosting and free & open source software.

However even here, people have the need to antagonize each other and call each other corporate shills.

Maybe a peek behind the curtain of human nature.

ChunkMcHorkle , (edited )
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CosmicCleric ,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

call each other corporate shills.

Well, to be fair, sometimes the “people” here are corporate shills.

papertowels ,

Are bots actually prevalent here? I love me some Lemmy, but boy are they scraping the bottom of the barrel by targeting us and not reddit.

CosmicCleric ,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

Are bots actually prevalent here?

Yeah, they’re here, they’re also on Reddit.

They go wherever the people are at, so they can train, inflate user population, and influence opinions.

It costs them almost nothing to be at multiple places, at the end of the day it’s all text to be parsed and people to manipulate.

Actually, usually when I see someone questioning if bots exist I think of that as an actual bot trying influence people away from thinking about bots, considering that bots are all over the place at this point, it’s weird to see someone deny/question that.

papertowels ,

Well first off, a shill could be a person, and not a bot.

Ah, when you put quotation marks around “person” I’d assumed you implied they were bots.

CosmicCleric ,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

Ah, when you put quotation marks around “person” I’d assumed you implied they were bots.

Yeah, sorry, I mean it both as bots as well as shills. Basically a bad actor and not an honest participant, human or otherwise.

BraveSirZaphod ,
@BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social avatar

I know, how dare someone like something? What a loser.

optissima ,

Convenient that its on the post about how free features are going away, isn’t it?

agent_flounder ,
@agent_flounder@lemmy.world avatar

Now if only they’d pay the musicians worth a shit. Maybe they should strike next.

Full disclosure I am on Spotify family plan and I love it because

It would be nice if companies didn’t slash features and would offer music for free with features beyond that of broadcast radio.

It would be nice if we didn’t have the mechanisms demanding infinite growth from companies because sometimes that’s just not possible or even necessary.

Imagine if Spotify could just be like ok, yeah we’re good no need to make major changes, everyone is happy, life is good thanks. Versus: oh shit we need to boost the quarterly numbers who can we fuck over to get there? I know, customers and musicians both! Yay!

thisNotMyName ,

if only they’d pay the musicians worth a shit<

afaik that’s mainly the fault of the music labels, they charge quite good money, but they don’t give it to the artists: blog.groover.co/en/tips/loud-clear-spotify-2/

sliels ,

That article, while not necessarily wrong, is blatant propaganda and overlooks the most important issues until the final paragraph, and even then it only touches on it once.

As someone with expansive knowledge and experience in the indie music industry, with a lot of experience dealing with streaming services and Spotify in particular the biggest problem is not the % of value created paid out, it’s what the actual value is. They don’t touch anywhere on how much you get paid per play, how the value is created, how the money flows once it’s in Spotify’s hands, etc.

As said in the article, artists and indie labels/distributors have basically no ways to reach Spotify to negotiate a price, but Spotify itself paid literal millions to license a few major labels in the beginning. The ‘value’ of a play is extremely skewed, where you’d need upwards of 10.000 plays to equal a single play on a nightly radio show for a big broadcaster like the BBC or at a festival with 500 people. On top of that, if you work hard, network properly and prepare your release you can get quite good exposure through radio, dj and other live plays, whereas with Spotify you have to be lucky that they put your pitch towards the right ‘tastemakers’, they are actively working against user (influencer)-playlists, have piss poor customer service, blatantly favour major label tracks in their algorithms and don’t actual care about their listeners.

On top of that we’ve got the obvious subscription enshittification, classic outlandish manager/director salaries and bonuses, the need to have an ever-rising share price and more.

thisNotMyName ,

Thanks for the insights. No holy among the capitalist companies…

CarlsIII ,

It’s also not a new or Spotify-centric problem, either. Labels have been screwing over the artists for decades.

gmtom ,

Yeah I work at a label we pay our artists about 30% of what we make off them, but that isn’t actually that bad considering the amount of overhead there is at a record label and the amount of services we provide for them. Just advertising alone makes up about 1/3 of a big label and we will spend more on advertising, distributing and actually allowing them to make music than we actually pay them, so in terms of end value it’s probably closer to 60 or 70%

dustyData ,

In this case, it’s a good thing that Spotify is an European and not an US company. Less incentive for enshittification. At the same time, the main reason they fuck over musicians so much is not so much Spotify but because of record labels and ads themselves. The record labels are the ones with the financial power, holding the copyrights. It’s not that Spotify doesn’t pay labels, they do, then in turn the labels keep most of the money and fuck over the artists. At the same time, the record labels came last to the streaming game. Blinded on the madness that was the Napster and peak P2P era, a war they lost, they didn’t want to even sell digital copies. Many awards and labels didn’t considered digital sales, legitimate sales. An many rogue artists sold or gave their digital albums for free to protest this. So they were always behind the curve. When Apple forced the labels to sit at the table for iTunes, they had no bargain leverage and were forced to accept shit terms in exchange for the hope that streaming would stop piracy. As a result, the tech giants got to keep most of the revenue bag and that’s been the status quo ever since.

On the other hand, adverts don’t pay. We tend to forget this because the likes of Google and Facebook are so massive. But the only reason they make any money is because of how massive they’re. Adverts are a shit form of payment. Too expensive and no one wants to advertise with you, too cheap and you can’t cover even the platform maintenance, it’s a delicate balance. The result is you need millions of eyes to make any significant amount of money from an advert. There’s a reason cable and open air TV has devolved into 15 minutes of advertisement per every 20 minutes of entertainment.

Spotify pays a fraction of a cent for every play. It takes 150 plays of a song to make a dollar from advertisement, and most of that dollar is gonna stay with the record label. This is significantly worse for indie and small up and coming artists. They simply can’t make a living out of Spotify unless they are already big and have a massive following. This hurts the whole industry as it becomes harder and harder to nurture new talent.

The up side is that, although they are getting shafted by Spotify and the labels, a subscription play is worth more than a free play. Up to ten times more than a free user play. So your subscription does help pay artists more.

BraveSirZaphod ,
@BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social avatar

oh shit we need to boost the quarterly numbers

It's actually "oh shit we're lighting hundreds of millions on fire every quarter and not even making enough to come close to covering our costs"

cybermass ,

As someone who was once a small artist on Spotify, they do actually pay really well. Better than most places.

RaoulDook ,

I’ve never paid for any streaming music plan and I love it. I never have to pay to listen to music because I already have MP3s of all the good music

acceptable_pumpkin ,

To each their own. For me, I really like the Discover Weekly/Daily features to discover new music and I can’t see how I would ever “already have MP3s of all the good music” since that’s an ever changing set. Heck, I still have a ton of old mp3s I used to rip and/or download, but I haven’t listened to them in a while.

I would gladly pay for a similar AYCE movie subscription, but I refuse to sign up for a ton of different services and play the “which service is that movie on again?” game. Instead it’s a very different approach for me.

CosmicCleric ,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

because Spotify is so convenient.

I used to think the same, but these days it seems like most songs from my favorites/liked list are no longer on Spotify, as I hear the same 10 or 20 songs over and over again when I have it on random play, and when I manually try to go through my list it’ll skip over songs and not let me select them.

I guess the competition with the other music delivery companies is coming down to certain companies have exclusives for certain songs and artists.

MrScottyTay ,

Yeah me and my SO have a Spotify duo account plan. It’s great. I could never use the free version even back in it’s heyday. I don’t know how people still use the free tier to be able to complain about these changes.

anewbeginning , (edited ) to technology in YouTube cracking on ad blockers.

I haven’t watched live tv in almost 20 years because I refuse to sit through ads, and I definitely won’t sit through them on YouTube. If it was a banner or some thing on the page or the side of video that would be more acceptable, but sitting through ads to watch a YouTube video….there’s just no way.

uberkalden ,

You could subscribe

Ashyr ,

I basically don’t subscribe to any streaming services, but we got the family plan years ago and share it with a few friends and family that chip in a couple bucks each.

It’s so affordable and the content on YouTube is second to none.

I’m so happy to help content creators earn a living providing content I genuinely care about rather than studios led by c-suite committees.

LoreleiSankTheShip ,

Oh you sweet summer child

Polar ,

Lemmy users only want to use foss and not pay a single penny. How dare you suggest they pay a tiny amount to help pay for servers and the creators they’re watching!

uriel238 ,
@uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Some of us are legitimately broke (or on a very limited income). I get that some folk believe it’s the capitalist way to force us to starve or succumb to the elements to demonstrate to others that humans have no value other than their productive worth to some plutocrat.

Heave ho, thieves and beggars, never shall we die!

Polar ,

Ya I know. I’m living pay cheque to pay cheque. If I can’t afford something, I watch ads. It’s simple.

Why do you expect everything free?

LemmysMum ,

Cool, just because you’re OK being treated sub human doesn’t mean the rest of use choose to.

Polar ,

Okay. Just because you are a begging chooser doesn’t mean everyone is.

papertowels ,

TIL watching an ad is being treated subhuman.

LemmysMum ,

Your time is more valuable than their ad revenue, if you don’t believe so that’s a self respect problem.

uriel238 ,
@uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Actually I expect some day the benefits that allow me to survive will end and I’ll be another statistic.

But for now, the United States feels that I’m better off alive, though destitute, and unable to actually afford rent in California.

In the meantime, the millennials and zoomers I know don’t expect to own anything ever. They eat whatever cheap food they can afford and pay rent and utilities and have a handful of trappings, and people write articles about how they’re not into diamonds or owning real estate, or keeping a savings account. And one by one, they too are slipping through the cracks, usually when they slip down the stairs or get injured at work or catch a cold and don’t have the strength to go into their job when their boss calls them desperate for a filler.

So regardless of what I expect, our establishment companies don’t want to give anyone anything. They reward hard workers by working them harder.

I don’t watch ads because they’re antagonistic. I tend to avoid anything that features dark patterns because I’m susceptible to them, and they signal the product has been contaminated by its manufacturers with malicious intent.

Shurimal ,

If I can’t afford something, I watch ads

I can't afford to pay 20€ per month--that's more than my whole monthly phone bill with something like 50 or 100 GB of data. Cost of living is high enough as it is.

I also lack the most valuable currency there is in one's life, one that you simply can't get more of. Time. So I block ads, which cost a lot of time, with extreme prejudice.

Ads are also bad for my mental health, they just irritate me, rack up stress and easily swing me into bad mood.

Lastly, I don't give a fuck about costing money to some multi-billion corporation. I don't care about them as much as they don't care about me; the corpos see me just as a resource to exploit as much as possible then move on to another one when there's nothing more to exploit, and I see the corpos exactly the same way. Call it mutual parasitism. Yes, I'm a parasite. And parasites are the most successful lifeforms on Earth.

Polar ,

Ads are bad for your mental health? 💀

uriel238 ,
@uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

You regard mental health issues as a character flaw in 2023? All of western civilization deals with intergenerational dysfunction and late stage capitalism. Of course we’re stressed out.

Usually we only hear derision regarding mental health from the alt-right. Are you an alpha male? Are you a Brexiteer?

Educate yourself on the harsh conditions of the real world and grow some empathy.

Otherwise there will be no-one left to stand for you when the Leopards come to eat your face.

papertowels ,

So when is something bad for your mental health vs “something I don’t like”?

I’m all for mental health, therapy, etc, but I associate being irritated with ads just being normal. Use it as a break to rest your eyes with the 20 20 20 rule. Get some water, use the restroom. Guess what, those things are typically good for your mental health.

If we recklessly associate being impatient with mental health, you’re diluting the latter and doing nobody a favor.

manapropos ,

Lol you again being a cuck. Literally a perfect consumer. Give all your money away, and maybe I should give you a link to my PayPal since you’re such a philanthropist. Take your privilege and fuck off

Polar ,

My privilege? You’re expecting servers to pay for themselves without ads or subscriptions. Idiot.

manapropos ,

Keep sucking off billionaires you fucking sodomite

Polar ,

How? Because I understand how the world works? How do you expect servers to get paid for? Genuine question. Ads or subscriptions are the only way.

Continue to be a begging chooser.

FabledAepitaph ,

It feels like a culture war between corporations and the OG user base. They reeled us in and monopolized the market with the idea of “free”. Now that competitors are few and far between, they want to change the game and reel in literal billions. I have absolutely no sympathy for their “lost profits”. They are making enough as-is, and I have no problems saying that out loud.

Polar ,

So brave. Here’s a cookie 🍪.

darcy , to programmer_humor in Pure Evil
@darcy@sh.itjust.works avatar

any modern compiler or ide will notice this and warn you.

massive_bereavement ,
@massive_bereavement@kbin.social avatar

Same, I thought this is gotta be a problem for someone who uses notepad as their main editor.

Jumuta ,

meanwhile vim:

Amaltheamannen ,

If you are coding on vim you use a language server 😝

darcy ,
@darcy@sh.itjust.works avatar

vim is not an ide i believe. but an lsp will notice

watcher ,

Yeah, it will tell you that it existed a semicolon… 😁

luciferofastora ,

…for which my default fix would be to delete and reenter it in hopes of fixing ehatever hiccup the syntax validator is having

Comment105 , to memes in Every day, EVERY - DAY

Hey Hexbear, if you’re dropping by, let me know when Russian and Chinese workers seize the means of production.

In the meantime I’m sitting here oppressed in Norway.

Catfish ,
@Catfish@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Damn, that’s a crazy red scare into yellow peril combo.

TheKarion ,

Yellow like Winnie the Pooh

LarkinDePark ,

Not hexbear but aren’t you Norwegians an oppressive oil state? You guys were bombing brown people for fun a couple of years back. Isn’t Stoltenburg one of your guys? He just admitted to intentionally provoking the Russian invasion.

BigNote ,

You what now?

Comment105 ,

Oh look! A commie!

Say hi when you meet our little black sparrow-sized drones. All you have to do to earn a visit is mention how we fucked over the Sami, we really don’t like those things. Oh, and don’t insult Jern-Erna if she gets back in power, she’ll divebomb you and leave nothing but a crater. Say what you will about Støre, he’s a soggy twig.

SaakoPaahtaa ,

Reads like a parody but there’s a good chance it’s not.

GoodEye8 ,

Well they’re from Lemmygrad so that “good chance it’s not” can instantly be elevated to “definitely not joking”.

SmoothOperator ,

Not a commie, but didn’t the Norwegian people nationalize the oil production, leasing it out to companies while keeping a huge share of the profit for the welfare of common Norwegians?

My understanding is that, in a sense, that is exactly what seizing the means of production is about.

SwampYankee ,

Means: seized.

Snow: plowed.

Lute: fisked.

lord_ryvan ,

Hotel: Trivago.

w2qw ,

Controlling the natural resources a country and leasing it out it private companies is pretty standard practice in most non corrupt countries. Norway probably differs in that they capture more of the economic rent in part due to a more efficient tax and a share of public ownership.

ArcaneSlime ,

That sounds to me more like a merger of corporation and state.

Urist ,
@Urist@lemmy.ml avatar

Nope. The people making these policies laid the plans for nationalizing the natural resources of Norway while in German concentration camps, where they were sent precisely because they were socialists. They are the primary reason, along with the discovery of oil and gas, for Norway being one of the richest countries on earth per capita. That the extraction of natural resources is under democratic control and under a somewhat high taxation scheme is not evidence of a fascist state-corp merger, but something that should be the default in all countries around the world to combat imperialist capital interests (except that the taxes should be even higher).

SuddenDownpour ,

That sounds cool. Can you give me a source?

Urist ,
@Urist@lemmy.ml avatar

Sure! There are multiple claims in my comments, but one can get the gist by reading about the first prime minister of Norway after World War II, Einar Gerhardsen. To back up this new claim I cite the same Wikipedia article linked above:

Many Norwegians often refer to him as “Landsfaderen” (Father of the Nation); he is generally considered one of the main architects of the post-war rebuilding of Norway after World War II.

A better source might be SNL (which stands for the Great Norwegian Encyclopedia and is owned mostly by different Norwegian universities) though this source is in Norwegian only, but should be fine to auto-translate if needed.

The idea of public ownership over natural resources is something that has been a big part of Norwegian identity, and this idea is also manifested in other laws such as the Freedom to roam law, which essentially states that it is

(…) the general public’s right to access certain public or privately owned land, lakes, and rivers for recreation and exercise.

Though I would argue much of this identity has been lost in the last 50 years, I am also proud of some of the accomplishments of Norwegian social democracy and think it shows that the idea that “class collaboration is betrayal of socialist values” is wrong. At the same time it is important to admit that there have been problematic parts throughout its development, such as the treatment of the Sámi people and other minorities and the illegal surveillance of suspected communist sympathizers, to name a few.

SuddenDownpour ,

Thanks a ton!

seitanic ,
@seitanic@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Polling says that Norway is #7 happiest country on Earth. Finland is #1, Denmark is #2…I wonder where China is on that list OwO

Urist ,
@Urist@lemmy.ml avatar

Bruh, we have oppressed people in Norway. Did you forget that our own supreme court ruled that some of our wind mills at Fosen are in violation of UN law of civil and political rights (source in Norwegian). That was two years ago and they are still standing, which is especially bad due to the historical repression and attempts at ethnic cleansing of Sámi people in Norway, that was going on for a disturbingly long time. Now, as a quick caveat I will add that on a global scale we are doing pretty alright. However, that you are fortunate and well, for which I am glad, does not mean that the sentiment of the meme is wrong. Since the 70s much of the good systems we built have been demolished by laissez-faire politics and politicians, like your beloved “Jern-Erna”, lowering corporate taxes and allowing for privatization of public services (our railway system, healthcare and so on). I also don’t think many people from Hexbear are deluded enough to believe in imminent revolution in Russia nor conflating the Russian government with the Communist Party of China (though I might suspect you do), making your comment either worthless or in bad faith (we both know it is both). Either way, I support seizing the means of production and voted for my convictions today. Even though I believe I probably fundamentally disagree with you, I hope you did too. Leave the “all communists are tankie fascists” idea at home please. It only makes you look ignorant and a bad representative for our nice little country.

Wogi ,

… You realize Norway is one of the examples we use of a successful socialist state right?

unnecessarygoat ,

norway isn’t socialist, but a social democracy where they move all the unethical labour somewhere else. it’s miles better than neoliberalism, but it’s still capitalist

Comment105 ,

… You do realize we hear most internet communists we come across argue that we’d be so much better if we were run like Russian or China?

Wogi ,

Those guys are idiots.

Best solution for Norway is to continue exporting undesirable labor like they’ve been doing, until the oil runs out, out demand dries up. Not sure what you’ll do then but you won’t be alone anyway.

It’s not best for everyone, by any means. But it’s best for Norway.

Comment105 ,

Yeah best for everyone would be if we invaded Finland and put people in jail for bringing up history.

STRIKINGdebate2 , to lemmyshitpost in What was taken I cannot get back
@STRIKINGdebate2@lemmy.world avatar

This op doesn’t specify which time zone. This is terrifying because that means I could sort by new at any time and it would be the cursed 3am that op mentions. Is that the true terror of this meme?

Wats0ns ,

Op doesn’t specify time zone while making a comment about the rest of the world

90% sure that OP is american then

dylpickles ,

Well America itself is actually 6 time zones with the largest gap being 6 hours between the Eastern time zone and the Hawaii-Aleutian time zone so it could just be that OP

  1. Is dumb
  2. Is being intentionally vague for intrigue/outrage
  3. just lives in a country with one time zone and didn’t have to think about it. This could be true even if they live in a big ass county like China or India since they both only recognize one time zone each for their own reason.
dartos ,

OP out here just trying to get upvotes.

demlet ,

As an American I can unequivocally state that differing time zones are one thing we do get. It’s a very wide place.

Trekman10 ,
@Trekman10@sh.itjust.works avatar

It’s ironic that some people go after Americans for being ignorant of the wider world then they go and act like America = East Coast

dylpickles ,

Forreal tho either America = New York or LA as far as they’re concerned lmao

eek2121 ,

As a US Citizen I have quite a few EU friends (I like hanging out there okay?!? and the people are mostly kinda awesome?) and the biggest and most humorous thing I have discovered is that most Europeans don’t realize how small their countries are compared to the US.

Mr_Blott ,

Literally everyone knows how big the US is. Mostly cos yous never shut up about it lol.

“Most Europeans” is not only a massive exaggeration, but it’s condescending as fuck

Trashcan ,

No more than us eurotrash talking smack about Americans in general. You know, has no passport and believes the drinking age of 21 is universal etc etc.

But by all means - let the smackwar begin! Eurotrash vs Americunts!

Mr_Blott ,

There is simply no need

scottmeme ,

Time.utc_now()

magic_lobster_party , to programmerhumor in emacs moment

Too bad Emacs doesn’t have a good text editor.

exu ,

Evil mode helps with that

GadolElohai ,
@GadolElohai@kbin.social avatar

Modalka for me. It has exactly what you want and no more, which also makes it a lot easier to learn: useful for me that I'm not a programmer.

DmMacniel , to memes in History repeating itself

The entire world is leaning so fricking right its saddening :(

HonoraryMancunian ,

It’s the only way to stop the evil transes and immigrants, they scare my tiny tiny mind

WtfEvenIsExistence ,

Don’t you know about the evil immigrants, ethnic minorities, and gay/lesbian-transgenders that are… checks notes just living their lives and not bothering anyone else.

Waaaaaah such evilness, I’m scared 😭

/s

DmMacniel ,

They are standing there… menacingly! Think of the children!!

Rainmanslim ,

Nice strawman there chief.

Annoyed_Crabby ,

Yeah. The far right party just won a lot of seat from the progressive one in my country. That doesn’t feel good.

Meas34Melon45 OP ,
@Meas34Melon45@lemmy.world avatar

which country?

abbadon420 ,

All of them

Annoyed_Crabby ,

Malaysia. We just had state election yesterday and the religion + racial supremacist party is making inroad toward the more progressive state.

Emerald_Triangle ,

Because of leftist bullshit.

I hope it goes more right/correct.

TheBat ,
@TheBat@lemmy.world avatar

Ok bench appearo. Go whine about Barbie or something.

steakmeout ,

Yeah fuck off shitcunt.

DmMacniel ,

And the right isn’t bullshit? Let’s not hang up on left and right but what do you think is bullshit?

scrubbles ,
@scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech avatar

All we want is people is be chill, why do people gotta be so angry at other people :(

RobertOwnageJunior ,

Is this a serious question? People aren’t really angry at other people, they are scared and angry about the situation their world is in. There’s a few really bad apples, but most people are just scared they won’t be able to pay their rent 2 years from now.

scrubbles ,
@scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech avatar

I meant in terms of racism, sexism, homophobia. Why people gotta hate and fear “others”. Just be chill with other people

Kerred ,

I wouldn’t say leaning right but making more people care less about voting?

After all it’s easier to convince you all candidates suck than convince you to lean right?

Rainmanslim ,

It’s because the left has failed to improve people’s lives and over the last decade has alienated much of the population with identity politics and virtue signalling.

If you want the left to stop the right turn things are taking, you gotta drop the communism, the identity politics and the virtue signalling and ficus entirely on workers unions and environmentalism. Those are the past 2 areas where the left can not only hold full sway but has a lot of public support from those who are put off by the earlier mentioned things.

lateraltwo ,

I don’t like what you are saying but it’s actually correct. Abandon idealisms and embrace pragmatisms to combat the anti minority rhetoric

DmMacniel ,

And you believe that the right will change everything to the better? By doing what? Continue the same exact course but with a now clearly visible brown coat?.

Why the communism?

PeckerBrown , to mildlyinfuriating in Capitalism indoctrination in progress.

There’s only been two reasons for me to quit a job: shitty pay and shitty people in charge.

Sounds like this company has both.

rDrDr ,

Sounds like you need a Ping Pong table.

ShakyPerception ,

AND additional responsibilities!

Aceticon ,

With NO extra pay.

plumbercraic ,
@plumbercraic@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Somebody might also have a case of mondayitis.

Brickhead92 ,

I believe you’d get your ass kicked 'round here for saying that.

RagingRobot , to world in The hottest 14 days ever recorded are the last 2 weeks

But I have been recycling like they asked me too. Who’s not doing their part? Oh wait …

SCB ,

Recycling does not have any impact on climate change and was never suggested to have any impact on climate change

IAreBen ,

I think that was the joke…

SCB ,

Ah if it is I missed it and I feel appropriately goofy

RagingRobot ,

So why have I been wasting my time?!? Captain planet is an asshole

SCB ,

If we cure climate change tomorrow and do nothing about garbage/sustainability in packaging, we all still die - its just more disgusting.

Captain Planet focuses on the entirety of the environment, not just climate. That’s why he whooshes bulldozers into the air in the Amazon.

Coreidan ,

We’re all dead no matter what. Climate change or not, humans don’t have a good ending.

SCB ,

Strong disagree.

Coreidan ,

Oh ok. What happens when the sun explodes? What happens when the universe collapses?

Go on keep strong disagreeing.

SCB ,

The universe “collapsing” has fallen largely out of favor as a theory. The sun isn’t going to explode, at all.

Coreidan ,

What happens to stars when they run out of energy? They explode. You sound like you lack a science based education.

SCB ,

That is not accurate for all stars. Our star, for instance, is a yellow dwarf star (Type G Main Sequence). When it runs out of fuel it will briefly swell up as a red giant then collapse into a white dwarf. At no point will it explode because it simply lacks the mass for that type of chain reaction. We have a billion years before this happens, so can literally fly existing rockets elsewhere if need be. A billion years is a long time.

Tell me again about my science education lol

Coreidan ,

A 5 second Google search will present you that information in wiki.

The reason I am not impressed by your education is that after you spewed all of that you still can’t connect the dots.

When our sun dies we have no more energy. Earth turns into a brick of ice. Nothing will survive that.

Second of all when our sun “swells” it’s going to swallow up earth. If some how it doesn’t do that it will at the very least increase temperatures on earth to the point where nothing survives.

Humans are fucked no matter how you slice and dice it.

It seems you just want to argue for the sake of arguing. Unfortunately for you there is absolutely no world where you are correct.

SCB ,

It won’t swallow earth, but it will burn it. Even in your downplaying, you’re still wrong.

I think you lack a science-based education.

Coreidan ,

Sigh……

You must be a trump fan.

SCB ,

Lol the exact opposite.

Coreidan ,

Right. Says the person who thinks humans are going to survive a planet with no sun. What a massive joke.

SCB ,

I explicitly stated that in the next billion years, humans are likely to leave earth.

Coreidan ,

ROFL

SCB ,

Sounds like you lack a basic mathematics education too.

Coreidan ,

👍🏻

SCB ,

Thanks for backing out home slice. This was getting embarrassing for you.

Fun fact: some other dingus spewing wrong shit just tried to insinuate I was a leftist 2 seconds after you tried to connect me with Trump. Maybe try to be less like that.

Coreidan ,

I backed out because you’re a moron and there in no point in arguing with a moron.

SCB ,

Lmao I agree completely with the latter half of your sentence. Next part of backing out is not trying to get the last word. I work from home. You won’t get it.

Coreidan ,

Hey look a Reddit troll who gets their jollies acting like a complete idiot. How original. Go on little boy get your last word in. Give us that big internet flex since it’s so important to your your little ego.

SCB ,

Lol

tophneal ,
PipedLinkBot ,

Here is an alternative Piped link(s): piped.video/4Bvz3FzBykQ

Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.

I’m open-source, check me out at GitHub.

MrShankles ,

God damnit, now you’re gonna have me watching the enitre mini-saga again. You wanna be a tree? Cause if I had the power, you’d become a tree

Sweetpeaches69 ,

I hate it here.

dx1 ,

In general I feel like no one really takes a holistic view of this and everyone just points fingers. If indeed all the models are correct and human-produced CO2 is causing global warming, it’s not just “corporations” or “the rich” or just individuals, it’s the whole of the machine of humanity hacking away at the tree branch they’re sitting on, and we need to radically shift our energy production to eliminate greenhouse gas externalities, and ideally figure out, what’s it called, CO2 sequestration or whatever, to bring it back to normal.

And to the degree we can’t shift immediately, we shouldn’t just be burning fossil fuels towards ends we don’t even need, like dumb luxury goods or just driving in circles. It does come down to all of us as individuals - some of us have more power than others (yeah, more or less proportionally to wealth), but the buck has to stop somewhere.

null ,

“In general I feel like no one really takes a holistic view of this and everyone just points fingers.”

That’s odd. Why do you think you feel that way?

PersnickityPenguin ,

Of course it is, but consumers generally don’t make the decisions about resource procurement and manufacturing. They only drive the demand. However, demand is also heavily shaped by both the cultural zeitgeist as well as marketing, which is in turn funded by corporations.

So in effect, it all comes down to corporations.

dx1 ,

Well - corporations are funded by everyone, under the legal framework of the ostensibly democratic government, to which extent it’s not democratic, it’s at the mercy of the population choosing to continue perpetuating its existence. My point here is that the entire thing is just humanity working in a self-destructive way, and even when there are power imbalances in practice, real power - think of it like potential energy in physics - is truly democratic.

PersnickityPenguin ,

Corporations are certainly NOT democratic. If anything, their corporate hierarchy of management and ownership is… capitalist. It’s a top-down structure that concentrates wealth in the ha ds of a few to the detriment of the workers, always resulting in class conflict.

Democracies allow them to exist because it’s the only efficient way for civilians to organize profitable industry.

dx1 ,

That’s…not what I wrote.

Serinus ,

Which should be our government. But we’re too busy trying to prevent fascism and climate change denial as a whole to affect how much we’re doing about climate change.

We need bigger changes now. For instance, we need to take aggressive military action against anyone burning bunker fuel on the ocean, and that needs to happen soon.

SeaJ ,

Recycling metals is good, especially aluminum. Recycling glass? Not bad. Recycling plastic? That is literally something the oil industry forced by having their resin codes look almost exactly like the recycling symbol. People understandingly confused the resin codes to mean it was recyclable and flooded recycling centers with plastic. So instead of throwing it in the garbage and telling people plastic is not recyclable, they did what they could to recycle it. Sorting and cleaning was a pain in the ass and made it not worth it…in the US. China was happy to accept it for a couple decades until a few years ago. Now most recycling centers only accept plastic with a reason code of 1 or 2. But people do not really check the number on the symbol. A lot of it is 5 which is not recyclable in the vast majority of places but people still toss that into recycling because they think it has the recycling symbol on it. So recycling centers have to sort that shit out and send it to the landfill. It is a massive waste of resources that the oil companies are fine with since people think they are doing their part.

Recycling in general though was not supposed to be a fix for climate change. While recycling things like aluminum is significantly more energy efficient than mining, the bigger issue there is the mine itself.

phatskat ,

Recycling plastic is more so a lie fed by the plastic manufacturers.

BallsInTheShredder , to fediverse in Lemmy Just Reached 1 Million Posts

It’s insane how well this timeline syncs with reddit’s API bs!

From the very first day spez announced the API changes and steadily increasing until most of the 3pa shut down then BAM. Good for Lemmy and hopefully bad for reddit!

ljdawson ,
@ljdawson@lemmy.world avatar

Did somebody say sync…

3FingersOfMilk ,

Bro I CANNOT wait. Sync was the GOAT Reddit app and I know you’ll do great with Lemmy. Glad to see you here.

Knightfall ,
@Knightfall@lemmy.ca avatar

What are you using now? I’m using Connect for Lemmy and it feels very close to Sync because of gestures. I’ll be torn when Sync comes out because I’m enjoying this so much. (And Connect is Canadian like me. Haha)

UncommonBagOfLoot ,

Connect kept giving me time-out errors. Switched to Lift-Off and it’s better imo. Will be using it till Sync is out

Knightfall ,
@Knightfall@lemmy.ca avatar

When is the last time you used it? It was like that a while back but recent updates have my experience near flawless.

Amir ,
@Amir@lemmy.ml avatar

Try Summit, it’s really good

SolarNialamide ,

I’m using liftoff which is very nice. I tried out pretty much all the apps and I like this one the most. The interface is the nicest and it has gestures like Infinity where I came from.

Coelacanth ,
@Coelacanth@feddit.nu avatar

Liftoff seems like the best one for now, until Sync and Boost come out and duke it out for the top spot.

I actually prefer Jerboa when it works honestly, but it’s still too unstable to use.

altima_neo ,
@altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

I did. I’m excitedly waiting!

los_chill ,

Sync was reddit for me. Such an amazing app. Now I am glad to be here for the next chapter. Thanks for all you do.

BlackPenguins ,

/c/beetlejuicing

I love how active you are as a developer in the community.

Metallibus ,

Also here because Sync is dead. Desperately awaiting your Sync for Lemmy release. Was considering making a Sync-like Lemmy app if you didn’t…

MaxVoltage ,
@MaxVoltage@lemmy.world avatar

Reddit is 100% bot driven

zeppo ,
@zeppo@lemmy.world avatar

Reddit is spam driven. But people can also spam manually.

Speculater ,
@Speculater@lemmy.world avatar

I literally only tried Lemmy because of the RIF goodbye message. I’m here because for me, Reddit was Reddit Is Fun.

foggy ,

All. My. Homies. Hate. Spez.

altima_neo ,
@altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

I may not be your homie, brother, but I do hate Spez.

Cabrio ,

That’s all you need bro, that’s what makes us family.

Jumpinship ,

Don’t call me bro, pal!

Drunemeton ,
@Drunemeton@lemmy.world avatar

Don’t call me pal, friend!

Snowman44 ,

Same here, but for boost. I never heard of Lemmy until boost for Lemmy was announced.

acrobaticpenguin23 ,

Same except for me its BoostforReddit.

BeardedBlaze ,
@BeardedBlaze@lemmy.world avatar

Hype for Boost for Lemmy

Something_Complex ,

How tf did you make your name like that???

Speculater ,
@Speculater@lemmy.world avatar

On the website your can change display name and I used a random fancy text generator I found in Google. Some are compatible, some are not.

Zippy ,

So hope e creater of RIF creates LIF.

thesanewriter ,
@thesanewriter@vlemmy.net avatar

I’m super excited for all the development here. I’m looking forward for Boost for Lemmy, but I’m also really enjoying wefwef (soon to be Voyager) and the active development is really exciting to me.

Wogi , to lemmyshitpost in JustPlumberThings

Ummm…

Don’t smoke out of PVC. Especially don’t smoke fat soluble compounds of PVC.

PVC getting in to your body is really, really bad for you.

Daxtron2 ,

Ehhh we got microplastics in us already, might as well give them some friends to hang out with.

Tattorack , to programmer_humor in Play stupid games, win stupid prize
@Tattorack@lemmy.world avatar

“Because” is spelled wrong.

Zachariah ,
@Zachariah@lemmy.world avatar

but “bacause” is spelled correctly

variants ,

The ultimate bacon reason

PumpkinEscobar , to funny in Some fashion assistance

I will never get tired of comedy responses to photoshop requests. It’s just a timeless classic.

The_Picard_Maneuver OP ,
@The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world avatar

Well that’s good, because I’m probably going to keep posting these to lemmy when I find them.

Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In ,

I’d happily subscribe

Bakkoda ,

This is the way

davidagain ,

This is the way.

teft , (edited ) to mildlyinteresting in Like something from the PS2 era
@teft@lemmy.world avatar

This happens twice a year anywhere between the tropics of cancer and capricorn. It’s called Lahaina Noon in Hawaii.

P.S. If you happen to live between the tropics you can look for subsolar calculators to figure out which days this will happen for you. For me this happens in early april and september since i’m fairly close to the equator. If you’re close to the tropics the subsolar days will be closer to the solstice.

WanderingVentra ,

New bucket list goal: See this.

Will add it to seeing a total eclipse and seeing the Northern Lights with cool sky phenomenon I want to see.

PunnyName ,

Add Diamond Dust, and take me please. I got boned in the eclipse. Need to see that.

rmuk , (edited )

New goal: see a total solar eclipse during lahaina noon during a period of peak sunspot activity to get some equatorial aurora and just after a water-rich meteorites disintegrated in the upper atmosphere, creating a blanked of ice crystals.

Is that so much to ask? No clouds, ideally.

PunnyName ,

I mean, count me in, but I don’t think I’ll be alive long enough =/

Ookami38 ,

I’m sure that occurs like, at least once every other year right? Should be easy.

PolydoreSmith ,

Happy cake day, twin. I guess June 12th is like the baby boom for lemmy

PunnyName ,

Jesus, it’s been a year? Wow

PolydoreSmith ,

One year of beans and jeans. Here’s to many more!

WanderingVentra ,

Woo! Group trip!

Also, for anyone else like me who’s dumb and didn’t know what Diamond Dust is. I guess it’s like ice crystals glittering in the air at ground level. There’s a cool video in the Wikipedia article. Image searches just kept bringing up literal diamond dust lol.

NewNewAccount ,

I’ve been fortunate enough to see a Lahaina moon and a total solar eclipse and both were very cool. Total Solar Eclipse was 1000x better though.

SexualPolytope ,
@SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Saw both a total eclipse and Northern lights this year. Lived up to the hype. Totally worth it.

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