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fl42v , to linuxmemes in Arch with XZ

Incorrect: the backdoored version was originally discovered by a Debian sid user on their system, and it presumably worked. On arch it’s questionable since they don’t link sshd with liblzma (although some say some kind of a cross-contamination may be possible via a patch used to support some systemd thingy, and systemd uses liblzma). Also, probably the rolling opensuse, and mb Ubuntu. Also nixos-unstalbe, but it doesn’t pass the argv[0] requirements and also doesn’t link liblzma. Also, fedora.

Btw, security.archlinux.org/ASA-202403-1

SpaceCowboy ,
@SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

Sid was that dickhead in Toystory that broke the toys.

If you’re running debian sid and not expecting it to be a buggy insecure mess, then you’re doing debian wrong.

mexicancartel ,

Fedora and debian was affected in beta/dev branch only, unlike arch

fl42v ,

Unlike arch that has no “stable”. Yap, sure; idk what it was supposed to mean, tho.

milicent_bystandr ,

Yes, but Arch, though it had the compromised package, it appears the package didn’t actually compromise Arch because of how both Arch and the attack were set up.

themeatbridge , to insanepeoplefacebook in Sure lady, you bet.

Then the scientists who proved the effectiveness of those treatments would be scientific celebrities mentioned in the same breath as Pasteur, Curie, Watson and Crick, and Salk.

This is where dipshits reveal their fundamental misunderstanding of how science functions. The biggest and most profitable scientific events are the ones that challenge and upend accepted norms. Researchers are constantly testing and searching for evidence of the weird and wild new theory.

snooggums ,
@snooggums@midwest.social avatar

No, no! Every single scientific claim by scientists exists to prop up the medical field and their massive profits!

That is why I only buy treatments like homeopathic remedies and have my joints strained by chiropractors who are in it to help people like the honorable snake oil salesmen of the past.

Excuse me while I cure my dog’s heart worms with essential oils, which are produced by people who have only my best interests in mind!

Jax ,

It’s funny you separate chiropractors and essential oil salespeople.

Where I live that’s typically who you’re getting essential oils from, unless you buy them online.

snooggums ,
@snooggums@midwest.social avatar

I have no idea what chiropractors do outside of injuring people’s joints and as far as I knew the essential oils was an online thing. Makes sense that the bullshit would overlap.

Jax ,

Yeah I didn’t actually know about how bad chiropractors were until I started seeing one alongside my mother after she was recommended post car accident.

They were the whole nine yards of batshit. The woman claimed that instead of using hand sanitizer, soap, ibuprofen… a few other things I’m forgetting: she would use basil essential oil. Not only would she say this, she would prove it by only having hand sanitizer dispensers filled with this stuff alongside making shows of swallowing small shots.

Yes you are reading that correctly, she would not only utilize it for cleaning but would injest it regularly. Her claim was that it is anti-microbial (which is accurate, actually, many of these oils become anti-microbial) whilst talking about the benefits to your gut. Never once acknowledging that if it’s anti-microbial due to the concentration then it’s likely bad for some of the good stuff in your gut (disclaimer: I do not actually know. I used cinnamon essential oil for flavoring in my coffee, it actually worked pretty well but I wouldn’t recommend it. Didn’t make me sick or anything).

Chiropractors are especially unique in that some of them actually believe in the shit that they’re peddling. She also made my arms tingle with the shit she did to my neck, 2/10 do not recommend unless you have perfect posture and want to pay someone to crack your back.

Semi-Hemi-Demigod ,
@Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social avatar

Watson and Crick

I think you mean Rosalind Franklin

homesweethomeMrL ,

Boom shakkalakka!

glimse ,

As if any scientist would want their names attached to one of the most important advancements in medical history!

li10 , to programmer_humor in The falsehoods of a senior developer

I’m not in software development, but this is how the entire company I work for operates.

We’re just kinda going forward with no clear direction, keeping stuff ticking over and constantly coming up with future plans that never come to fruition.

1984 ,
@1984@lemmy.today avatar

This is how all enterprise companies I worked for operates too. Only when I joined a smaller company with 80 people I realized that it can be really fun to work. We get a lot of stuff done and hardly any meetings. Really enjoying it.

tsonfeir ,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

This is how the world is. No one is really an expert. No one really has the answer.

shneancy ,

and we all look up to the people who look like they know what they’re doing (they don’t but they are very convincing at looking like they do)

tsonfeir ,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

In their defense, if they don’t pretend like they know what they’re doing everything would fall apart.

keefshape ,

Oof. Painful truf.

Immersive_Matthew ,

For some people. Yes.

tsonfeir ,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

For you, yes.

Immersive_Matthew ,

Projecting?

tsonfeir ,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

Illusory superiority?

Immersive_Matthew ,

I found your cat hiding in the closet so clearly passed your test.

tsonfeir ,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

You only found one?

noobface , (edited )
@noobface@lemmy.world avatar

There are answers, they just take a level of experience to reach that most people aren’t cut out for. You gotta be several principal+ IC roles or Dir+ mgr roles in before the patterns congeal into a plan.

Challenge is operating at those levels for extended periods requires a super fucking insane level of competency and dedication. Most people hit that spot and coast till retirement cause you’re at $500k+ at FAANG. Few keep looking for new opportunities unless forced to or they’re those corporate robot sharks with the dead eyes.

parachaye ,
@parachaye@lemmy.world avatar

There are people who are knowledgeable and good at their job. Knowledgeable enough to be experts. Those are usually subject matter experts, including developers.

The issue is that no one can guarantee an outcome or that they’ve picked the right approach.

tsonfeir ,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

And if they didn’t pick the right approach, they aren’t an expert.

hex_m_hell ,

But this is really more a product of capitalism than anything else. Under capitalism you just have to keep moving even if you’re just making garbage and debt. There’s no reason to stop and think, because that is seen as a cost (even though it costs more to move without thinking).

Even the best companies that do factor in planning (at least in concept if not actually in practice most of the time) end up with the other problem of “resume driven development” where things that are totally fine and actually working get replaced with things that don’t work because someone needs a new project to get their promotion.

Capitalism produces garbage and puts the people who are least qualified in decision making roles. This still happens in natural systems, but much less. In (healthy) anticapitalist organizing, the people who know the most are generally asked to lead and when they don’t know what to do they stop and figure it out before moving forward.

Aimless wondering can still be a problem, but it’s not forced by the system to continue it’s just people who are learning.

tsonfeir ,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

people who are learning.

That’s the problem. The majority of them don’t learn, and really fuck shit up for the ones trying to.

rickyrigatoni ,

I’m an expert and I have all the answers.

tsonfeir ,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

Obviously anyone named Ricky Rigatoni is gonna have all the answers. If you say he doesn’t, he’s gonna snap you like dry pasta.

Pavidus , to aboringdystopia in One of capitalisms biggest tragedies

On the opposite end of the spectrum, you have viable career paths that are NOT being selected because the income simply won’t be enough. We miss out on a lot of talented and motivated individuals that would love to get into a particular field, but it just doesn’t pay as well. Teachers and corrections officers come to mind. The career I’m in was not my first choice, but it pays better than what I wanted to do.

Glitchington ,
@Glitchington@lemmy.world avatar

Idk, I’ve never made enough money to live on and at this point never expect to. I’d rather do something I’m passionate about while I die under capitalism, than sit here feeling useless while I die under capitalism. Shit is depressing and unsustainable.

Thrillhouse ,

To be fair the correctional system in its current form in North America is primarily constructed and controlled by capitalist interests.

Bakachu ,

Fully agree with this. Anything in the arts immediately comes to mind. Not just performing arts either - history, literature, and philosophy fields have a lot more uncertainty with income than others.

This is one of the reasons why I favor UBI and universal health care. I think there’s a growing deficit in overall creativity, leisure, and social engagement that the arts and other so-called lower-income jobs provide to society. And its not that people care more about money. You just dont have the option to pursue these jobs when your income level affects life or death decisions for you and your loves ones.

udon ,

Yeah, try being a nurse these days if you want to play life in hard mode

RampageDon , to lemmyshitpost in A round of applause for Mike Drucker.

Was that midterms? I know she doesn’t get political, but I think she was just telling her fans to make sure they go out and vote. More voters scares certain political parties. That’s my best guess anyway.

brygphilomena ,

Not just more voters. More “wrong” voters. Like young, black, and young black voters.

DragonTypeWyvern ,

Don’t forget the most dangerous “minority” of all, WOMEN

TunaLobster ,

clutches pearls They wouldn’t dare! faints

root_beer ,

A movement to repeal the 19th amendment is rumbling underground, and Amy Coney Barrett will lead the way*

…I’m joking, but am I? Am I really?

*just as Thomas will be the one to write the leading argument to overturn Loving v. Virginia

Globeparasite ,

Loving v. Virginia

really ? Ok America… we need to talk. A court decision isn’t a solid enough basis for any rights, you need an actual law get your council of Elders to do something

Nollij ,

It’s supposed to be, though. A SCOTUS ruling like that is supposed to be, and traditionally has been, a confirmation that the laws (all things considered) already say it. You don’t need a new law, the interpreter/referee says the current laws already cover it.

The problems right now are a corrupt judiciary, and a government that does not represent nor even resemble the populace.

Globeparasite ,

is supposed to be, and traditionally has been

corrupt judiciary, and a government that does not represent nor even resemble the populace which is why I promote writing down everything into law

DragonTypeWyvern ,

She endorsed Biden in 2020 and has spoken out about the end of Roe v Wade and the importance of abortion rights, so while she hasn’t made it her personality her team is as clear as it can ever be for a billionaire.

Jknaraa ,

team

This shit needs to die.

anarchy79 , (edited )
@anarchy79@lemmy.world avatar

That’s what I don’t like about her. She’s just in it for the money, and she’s a vapid mo-fo with nothing much to say. Just like her detractors.

Has it really come to a point where public political discourse is some dumb fuck against some other dumb fuck?

Before you say it was always like that, think it over, because it is not true.

Edit: sigh… and the plebs just keep running the propaganda machine’s errands by doing exactly what it tells them to.

Dkarma ,

Women’s bodies are literally on the line here and you come with some misogynistic bullshit like that???

You need to take a long hard look at yourself there,sir.

anarchy79 , (edited )
@anarchy79@lemmy.world avatar

I did, I took a 45 year hard look and I think you’re a hammer seeing everything as nails. I hate what she represents, a media cabal pitting idiots against each other to distract from what is really going on. Not that she’s a woman. Would you say I’m bigoted against deluded rednecks too?

Edit: crickets and downvotes. Seems there is no debating some people, they just “know” they’re right.

player2 ,

I’m guessing you’re not getting many replies because you’re not forming a coherent argument.

Your first comment was against Taylor Swift expressing the view that her fans should go out and vote. Your second comment is against “what she represents” which you left undefined other than the media cabal which is a separate issue and outside of her control.

deegeese , to mildlyinfuriating in Haier, the air conditioner maker, takes down open source third-party Home Assistant integration

Special shout-out to LiftMaster/Chamberlain who did the same rug-pull on their customers last year.

Never trust free cloud services attached to a paid product.

Thrillhouse ,

Fuck these guys for real. I had just set up a raspberry pi and nfc tags. I’m not buying their shitty ecosystem even harder now.

dan ,
@dan@upvote.au avatar

LiftMaster/Chamberlain

Get a ratgdo. It’s a little ESP8266-powered board that connects to the garage door opener and lets you open/close it and turn the light on and off, and reports the status of the door (opening, open, closing, closed) and obstruction sensor status via MQTT, entirely locally. I installed one on my LiftMaster garage door opener (an old version with no smart features) and it works well! I zip tied mine inside the plastic cover that goes over the light bulb, as per the developer’s recommendation.

They have a beta firmware for HomeKit integration too, to directly control it from Apple devices if you don’t want to run something like Home Assistant with an MQTT broker.

“ratgdo” stands for “rage against the garage door opener” :D

Blaster_M ,

based device name

Seraphin ,
@Seraphin@pawb.social avatar

A garage door opener is simply a machine so a shorter name could be “rage against the machine.”

Wait…

ShepherdPie ,

Jesus I finally just understood where the name was derived from. I thought it was just some odd Chinese-Amazon-store-esque name.

pearsaltchocolatebar ,

Go one step further and make your own using ESPHome.

dan ,
@dan@upvote.au avatar

The issue is that Chamberlain/LiftMaster garage door openers made in the last 15ish years use an encrypted communication protocol over the wire, so a basic relay won’t work.

There’s a project called rat-ratgdo where the ratgdo has been reverse engineered and an open-source schematic has been produced. You can make your own based on that and use the ESPHome firmware for the ratgdo. For me it was just easier to buy the ratgdo.

NOT_RICK , (edited )
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

I ripped mine out as soon as they pulled this. Fuck them, they won’t get my data if they won’t let me do what I want with a product I already paid for.

dingus , to lemmyshitpost in New server policy. Lemmites who misbehave get sent to Disney land with a bus full of Disney adults.

Maybe a hot take, but I actually DO get why even adults like the theming of Disney World/land and like to visit it so much. The theming is just so intricately done that it’s honestly very impressive and great to look at and just take in. When you hear about the way some of these art pieces were designed it just makes it that much more amazing imo.

But why are some of these people obsessed with the people in costumes that are clearly meant for toddlers? I don’t marvel at some sweaty tween in a weird furry costume. I don’t get it.

originalucifer ,
@originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com avatar

ive met some disney fanatics. everyone has their thing, some people are just really into that thing.

im happy theyre happy, but i also think we should just give them florida so we dont really have to be exposed to.. their thing.

PaupersSerenade ,
@PaupersSerenade@sh.itjust.works avatar

I used to work at the parks and loved just hanging out. There’s a lot of work that went into forced perspective and theming. Disney has always leaned hard into escapism, and it’s easy to see why someone would want to be reminded of easier years.

AlligatorBlizzard ,

Oh, hey, I worked attractions and merchandise at DAK back in 2008-2014 with a few gaps in there. And same, it was nice to just chill in the parks. Did you get to do any of the cast backstage tours? I got to go on one to the Haunted Mansion, that was really cool to see.

PaupersSerenade ,
@PaupersSerenade@sh.itjust.works avatar

I was attractions at DCA around that time frame as well! Got to do a track walk of Indy, previewed changed attractions, and got to do Tower of Terror no-show rides when I was closing.

AlligatorBlizzard ,

I got to do a track walk of Dinosaur too, did you know that Dinosaur is just a re-themed Indy? They pointed out where the boulder would be on the other ride during the walkthrough. Disney did not put much effort into Dinoland at all, lol.

Daft_ish ,

Epcot and Hollywood studios was made for adults. Convince me otherwise.

Notorious_handholder ,

Getting drunk at epcot before the fireworks show while getting to eat good food is magical for adult me. I love the food and wine festival. And even as an adult the Star Wars area is still dope

LillyPip ,

Agreed.

Also, if an adult enjoys cartoons and sleeps with a plushie, I am not going to judge. Life is hard. Whatever it takes to get through the day, you do you.

IMO, telling people their benign coping mechanism is bad is how we get more shootings. Clutch that plushie, my dude!

fmstrat , to fediverse in Average Lemmy Active Users by Month

11 million comments this month. 11 million comments from people smart enough to leave behind the other. 11 million comments, likely largely from actual humans.

Lemmy is thriving.

justaveg ,

I didn’t completely leave behind reddit. I still view, but I only comment/post on lemmy.

threelonmusketeers ,

I’m similar, but I occasionally crosspost Lemmy posts to Reddit to try and drive more traffic here :)

Blaze ,
@Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Most of us do :)

Jax ,

Figured anything lemmy related was still getting nuked on reddit.

user224 ,
@user224@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Plot twist: It’s all piped.video bot.

TimewornTraveler ,

lol ive never clicked a piped link even once

TheGreenGolem ,

Yepp, that user was my first and only block ever. Yes, we get it. YT bad, Piped good. It was so annoying.

zerofk ,

I did, once. It didn’t work.

laverabe ,

Google’s shareholders appreciate your contribution.

mvirts , to lemmyshitpost in Work smarter, not harder

Until Netflix split them up forever

LemmyKnowsBest ,

yeah his tweet was clearly from the good old days before Netflix got smart & greedy

jaybone ,

If only Netflix didn’t suck, they wouldn’t have to be greedy.

LemmyKnowsBest ,

yeah I remember when Netflix first started circa 2007,

IT COST $8 A MONTH

I was there for it. They would mail out DVDs and there were no due dates or overdue fees. You just drop it back in the mail when you’re done watching it and then you can rent more DVDs. The whole thing cost $8 a month.

that was the beginning of Blockbuster video going out of business. Blockbuster’s late fees and rewinding fees were an atrocity.

HiddenLayer5 , (edited )

Here’s the thing. Even with inflation (which is exaggerated by companies when they jack up prices for consumers), they have less overhead now than they did when they started. They had to do all the DVD stuff by hand and now it’s all computers. So basically they just had a massive bump in their profit margins and just pocketed the difference.

Surprise surprise, better technology and automation replacing people doesn’t mean things become cheaper under capitalism, even when it fucking should.

redballooon ,

People always underestimate the work power needed to keep automated things running. And even more to set them up in the first place.

Many things that look like fully automated still have people in the loop.

tias ,

Yeah as a programmer it seems that everyone around me underestimate by several magnitudes the amount of money and effort that goes into something like the Netflix infrastructure. It’s extremely frustrating because people always look at you with distrust when you say how much work it will take to develop a website. As a rule of thumb, the site’s apparent simplicity (for the end user) is correlated with the effort you put in.

That said, Netflix already had its infrastructure in place back when they had reasonable pricing. The recent greediness doesn’t reflect their costs suddenly going up, it’s just exponentially growing demand for profit and investors who want to cash in.

redballooon ,

Disruptive technology doesn’t follow cost covering logic though. Covering costs is hardly interesting for investors. Netflix ran at loss to grow quickly and cement the market share.

Recent enshittification occurs because the market came to an understanding that the fight for the market share is over and now it’s time to satisfy investors.

But several things can be true at the same thing time. Infrastructure is expensive and investors want to maximize return of investment.

tias ,

They had rewinding fees on DVDs??

LemmyKnowsBest ,

No. Blockbuster was still stuck on VHS tapes.

Corkyskog ,

Maybe he drops by his ex once a month, or maybe he lives in the same apartment complex.

Ensign_Crab , to memes in Why do I need a leather fetish to edit photos?

Wait until OP learns about LaTeX.

0x4E4F ,
baseless_discourse ,

searching latex on a safe-search-off computer was always a ride.

Jolteon ,

Some interesting LATEX-related searches:

  • latex wrap
  • latex confine to table
  • latex change orientation
kool_newt ,

I love ambigiously psychopathic search queries!

“crashed but children didn’t die, how do I kill children”

“how to bash”

tilcica ,

yup. my HS professor did that when he tried to show us how to install it xD

naevaTheRat ,
@naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

It’s a mother. fucking. chi!

YourFavouriteNPC ,
@YourFavouriteNPC@feddit.de avatar

I allergic to that. Is there an alternative called NiTriL, by any chance?

theshatterstone54 , to piracy in Survey for Serializd.

I’m a simple man: I see Firefox, I upvote

Cossty OP ,

Thanks. Of course I use Firefox. Without uBlock Origin I wouldn’t be able to survive Internet.

HamBrick , (edited )

cries in iPhone

^(I know brave is a thing, but chrome already has a monopoly)

mexicancartel ,

Well you use safari only in iPhone right?

hedgehog ,

In the same way that someone using Edge, Brave, or any other Chromium based browser anywhere else is using Chrome, yes.

mexicancartel ,

I guess brave had some tweaks on browser engine apart from that, yeah.

One thing worth mentioning is that in android browser is usually contained in the app so when you install different copies of different versions maybe installed. But on iPhone, you are using the browser built in to the system as backend

hedgehog ,

Yeah - the tweaks can be substantial and they have the flexibility to do more. Brave has a whole development pipeline for incoming Chromium changes so they can intentionally bring in code they want and avoid bringing in code they don’t want, like FLoC, or changes that would conflict with their own tweaks. But I don’t think many other browsers change a ton in the engine itself, so you effectively end up with them getting as much customization of Chrome, Firefox, or maybe of Safari (mostly of Chrome) as Apple allows browsers on its platform.

Having older versions isn’t generally an advantage, unless you’re trying to test for compatibility or something similar. It means you’re more vulnerable to known threats that have been patched in current versions of browsers

hedgehog ,

If you use YouTube through Safari, it has extensions that can help. I’m using AdGuard (paid, but I’m not sure that’s necessary), Vinegar, and SponsorBlock and I never see ads on Youtube. Pretty sure the reason is AdGuard, though.

accesslog ,

Tried Orion browser with UBO extension? It used to be buggy but got a lot better recently.

theshatterstone54 ,

Interesting fact: I use Ublock on Girefox and have never seen the YouTube message about being limited to 3 videos. Maybe it’s not a thing in the UK yet? I’m not sure, but all I know is I’ve had 0 issues with adblock on YT.

SirStumps ,
@SirStumps@lemmy.world avatar

So as far as I have figured it’s based on accounts. One of my accounts gets the pop up and I have to use the blocker and the other doesn’t. I believe they do this to confuse the people or maybe to make I formation on their tactics unreliable.

CJOtheReal ,

Same

anonionfinelyminced , to memes in American Girl releases 1st doll with hearing loss
@anonionfinelyminced@kbin.social avatar

I'm just happy for the red circle, without which I could never have completely understood this meme.
sensible chuckle

idunnololz ,
@idunnololz@lemmy.world avatar

The red circle is for people who cannot see.

Zerush ,
@Zerush@lemmy.ml avatar
anonionfinelyminced ,
@anonionfinelyminced@kbin.social avatar

"Now I really get it!"

Tinnitus , to technology in HBO Max Shrinkflation: Removing features from my plan, with no reduction in price

I canceled my subscription right after I got that email. I don’t use it enough anyway. I’ll just sail the high seas if a new show that I want to watch ends up there.

jballs ,
@jballs@sh.itjust.works avatar

That’s what happened to me too. I got that email and was like “oh shit, I’m paying $16 for HBO and I can’t even get 4k?” Cancelled.

Rentlar ,

Right? Who’d want to pay 16USD a month for DVD quality video? You’d get more value digging out of the Blu-ray Bargain Bin once a week.

CaptDust ,

DVDs are 480, but your point stands. It’s straight too expensive to not include 4k.

peopleproblems ,

Oh shit I didn’t know that last part.

That was an easy cancel.

averagedrunk ,

I didn’t notice Atmos was gone until now. I have an ok Atmos system that works pretty great on the titles that support it. I love Atmos.

I get it free with my Internet service so I’m not cancelling, but I’ll never subscribe.

maniacal_gaff , to memes in Sugar, spice and too little nice

Generalizing entire groups of people usually isn’t recommended. I know boomers who would code circles around any of the kids who think that configuring wifi is the height of tech literacy.

Custoslibera OP ,

Cool, tell those boomers to tell their boomer peers we are literally on a dying planet and they need to vote for politicians that want to stop the end of the world.

rwhitisissle ,

I understand it’s fun to blame boomers for climate change, but this was something that started before their generation existed and it will continue to be a problem after they’re gone. You can also blame them for inaction in addressing it, but given that the only real solution is an extreme degree of collective austerity across multiple civilizations, which is something innately at conflict with the expansionist nature of capitalism as an economic system (something which also predated boomers and which will continue to be a problem after they’re gone), then I would say that if you expect the problem to start being solved as soon as that generation is dead and buried, you’re going to be sorely disappointed.

Cloudkid ,

Statistically speaking it’s young people who don’t vote much.

SRo ,

lol, child, please, shut the fuck up.

Clbull ,

We’re too late to prevent climate change. Our efforts should instead be going towards mitigating the damage that consumerism is doing to our environment.

At this point we need drastic geoengineering and carbon capture solutions.

_danny ,

Oh no! A statement which applies to the vast majority has some exceptions! Better break out the um-actually and technically-incorrect stamps.

As someone who has worked in IT, age has a strong negative correlation with tech literacy. Is every boomer tech illiterate? Of course not. Some boomers built the tech we use today. But most boomers are worse with tech than most ten year olds.

spauldo ,

My generation will have tech illiteracy problems worse than the boomers. Yours will be even worse than mine. It’s because most people reach a point where they stop trying to keep up with everything and fall behind.

You’ll start to see it after you pass 40 or so. Then when you’re in your 60s it’ll be your generation’s turn to be mocked as the bumbling idiots who ruined the world.

So have fun with that.

TexMexBazooka ,

Uhhh… no. Gen z has had to deal with and understand changing technology since birth. I have faith in them.

The only thing boomers have proved is they’re able to do is ruin the economy and fuck over their children.

tigeruppercut ,

Gen z doesn’t have to understand shit about tech. They’ve been given apps that work flawlessly since birth. The only people “forced” to understand tech were the late Xers/early millenials where you got some cool new program or hardware and it almost never worked out of the box so you’d have to troubleshoot the shit out of everything before you could even google for answers.

After that plug and play started to work better and after that we got apps.

camelbeard ,

Exactly this, our first computer came with msdos, if you didn’t wanted to type commands in a terminal, you couldn’t play games. If you didn’t wanted to learn how to setup your soundcard for every game, the game had no (or super crappy) sound.

It’s not about understanding tech at all. I work in a software development team and have a pretty deep understanding of how a lot of tech works. But I never owned an Apple device, so I can’t tell you basic shit about a how use iOS.

somethingsnappy ,

Gen X had to learn learn how a computer works at a pretty basic level just to be able to use one. I took basic computer skills and programming for the TI 994a in elementary school. Then another hardware/software class around 5th grade. It was pretty easy to troubleshoot anything hardware or software until the mid 2000s.

Cannacheques ,

Somewhat agree but hopefully we do a good job passing on the torch to help the next generation

spauldo ,

Hah! Old age will have surprises for you.

optissima ,

This is the equivalent of “don’t worry you’ll get more conservative when you get older.”

spauldo ,

People do tend to become more (small c) conservative as they grow older for a multitude of reasons. It makes sense - you’ve spent years accomplishing various goals and establishing a place for yourself. You’ve got more to lose, so you resist change.

But what I’m talking about is the loss of novelty. You stop caring about every new fad, every new piece of tech, every new movement. Life loses the magical quality it holds for the young. You focus more on the things you think are important, while the rest becomes background noise.

You don’t really notice at first. Then one day you look up and everything is different. Young people are talking about stuff you’ve never heard of and doing things that seem silly and inconsequential. New ways of doing things become common, and you feel stupid because you haven’t learned them. Instead of being more knowledgeable over time, you find yourself having to relearn new ways of doing things you mastered years ago.

Some people try their hardest to keep up, even though it’s harder every year. Some people shrug and accept it, content to let the young find their own way. Some complain endlessly and try to fight against change, insisting that the way of life they’ve led is the only proper way to live.

This happens to almost everyone. There are a few who manage to hold on to that spark of curiosity and wonder into old age, but they’re few and far between. You probably aren’t one of them. I know I’m not.

So what kind of person will you become?

Stumblinbear ,
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Gen z is notoriously tech illiterate for anything but the bare minimum. The amount that have never touched a PC or anything other than an iPhone is incredibly disturbing.

MonkeMischief ,

Worked in a library. Many of the kids were smarter than the adults!

…But I still had to step-by-step walk them through printing their homework… :(

Cannacheques ,

Yeah nah, I’m sure every generation will cop flack for something, it’s just that since WW2, and the cold war, problems like plastic, lead paint etc let alone the environment weren’t really on the agenda. People just didn’t have a list of big bad world problems besides war.

On one hand I agree that technology is changing at a rapid pace, and ageism is a thing, especially more so now with climate change, but I think the issue is how quickly can the “wall of education” be broken down so that a critical mass of the human population can be enabled to learn how to calculate complex integrals, produce a computer software and program, to make a pipe bomb lol, or fix their car etc, you get my point.

Information freedom is becoming a big deal for people these days but at the same time individuals are no longer expected to be so rigidly self reliant. First it was paper, then books in libraries, nowadays we have the internet. YouTube, torrents and search engines definitely help a lot, but I haven’t seen a top ten problems for humanity video on YouTube yet lol. We’re almost coming full circle, however, I still think we should pay homage to the idea that being self reliant and learning how to do something for yourself is essentially a good thing, not necessarily only valuable to prevent loss of information but for further collaboration opportunities. It’s not necessarily Nazism to argue that if every person’s mind was a library, idiocracy and risk of displacement would become less likely to occur on every level. Think of Hal from A Space Odyssey

Your mechanic can fix his own car the same way your locksmith can unlock his own van, and your tech support guy will probably learn to fix his own computer. If you can do all of those things, even if you don’t become a valuable person in society, at least you’ll be better at taking care of yourself and less likely to be a burden to your group.

In saying that, if I was an old 60-70yr old man, I would consider re-educating myself in a field not so hot for the younglings, you know, the usual work like the trades, engineering, computing, and big data are big money for many young people these days, so it makes sense, if you’re older to get into something less physical like painting, gardening, landscaping, digger operator, software UI development, accounting, systems engineering, matchmaking, etc, something that is either boring or niche enough that many avoid it while simultaneously needing it. Remember boredom is the weakness of the younglings lol

TexMexBazooka ,

And yet they will still have, compared to the average beyond their age group, significantly higher lead content in their blood.

I’d bet significant money that the ones who are able to fill technical and intellectual roles are the ones who were lucky enough to avoid the worst of the toxic air.

There’s a reason boomers are almost universally fucking dumb.

teichflamme ,

Gen Z is probably as illiterate at least.

altima_neo ,
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And probably less lead, but more poisonous metals from vaping

Stumblinbear ,
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Vape is just propylene glycol and vegetable glycerine, both food safe, with typical food flavoring additives

nrezcm ,

I vape so its not like I’m against it or anything but do you really trust that the coils are safe? Especially when all the pre-made coils are coming from China? I mean look at the baby formula fiasco from a few years ago or the lead paint in Children’s toys. Not trying to fear monger but it’s not far fetched at all that there could be safety concerns with a lot of vaping stuff.

altima_neo ,
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I’m just making fun of that stupid YouTube psa

nickwitha_k ,

That’s primarily because boomer politicians replaced effective literacy programs with programs that allow those with learning disabilities and other intellectual impairments to navigate the world. This means that many gen Z and younger millennials were robbed of quality education that enables self-directed study and critical analysis of text. Primarily so that connected education product companies could make a profit.

teichflamme ,

But the meme was about tech illiterate people dude

nickwitha_k ,

The two are inextricably linked. Deep computer literacy requires regular literacy as well as the ability to learn and analyze independently. Both of the latter, when dealing with computers, rely on the former. There’s a literacy crisis in the US with significant downstream impacts that’s largely been ignored because the cause is profitable.

teichflamme ,

That’s a bit farfetched.

Following that argument every single skill in life is dependant on literacy and I’m pretty sure illiterate people are still able to learn and analyze.

Even if not, technically illiterate people can actually read a button or menu item.

nickwitha_k ,

I’m not sure that we’re on the same page or set of definitions. Of course not every skill depends on linguistic literacy.

Take skateboarding, for example. Yes, there could be some theory, potentially (I’m clearly not a skater) but much of the skill is in learning how to physically operate the board as an extension of one’s body. This is a “natural” sort of skill that meshes well with our evolved neurobiology (ie perception, motor function, physical coordination, etc.)

Now, let’s look at written language. It is NOT a “natural” sort of skill. It MUST be taught and learned with effort because our neurobiology has not evolved to account for the sorts of tasks involved. Writing is an abstract thing that requires abstract thinking to really understand - the word “lion” is not literally a lion, which is not a simple task to grasp for an untrained brain.

Next, computing. A computer and what it does is incredibly abstract. A bunch of pieces of specially-shaped stone, use an invisible force to represent presence and absence (the concept of “zero” is only in recorded use for the last 3800 years or so and ancient greeks didn’t even have a symbol for it). By performing ever more complex mathematics on these stones, we can create tools that people can use to perform abstract, and in some cases, physical work. And these interactions are nearly all performed based upon instructions that people write in text-based languages that don’t even match up with natural languages.

Even if not, technically illiterate people can actually read a button or menu item.

And this is part of the origin of the issue inflicted upon younger people. In the US, literacy programs were largely replaced by programs literally designed to help people that are illiterate take care of their basic needs in a society that depends on written language.

Another way of putting it is: An illiterate person can press a button on a touchscreen to order a hamburger, because either there is a symbol of a hamburger, or, they were taught to recognize the shape of the word “hamburger”. But, they might not actually know what the price actually means or, they may mistakenly order a plane ticket to Bamberg, Germany, because the words look alike. If they have a computer and an error dialog box pops up, will they know how to figure out how to fix it? Will they install “anti-virus” software that opens in a popup because it looks similar?

How about if they want to learn how to write a resume? How will they do that? What about figuring out how to write a mod for Minecraft? Or Enterprise software? These are all things that are dependent on linguistic literacy. Reduction in the general population’s literacy makes people easier marks for cons and significantly reduces their ability to learn new things as well as effectively operate computers for anything but games and scams.

ETA: I’m far from an expert and would really recommend looking into what LeVar Burton of Reading Rainbow and Star Trek fame is saying about this problem.

Tar_alcaran ,

I know boomers who would code circles around any of the kids who think that configuring wifi is the height of tech literacy.

I know one of those too. And all the others call their grandkids to configure the wifiinstall the internet on their phone for them.

Pyr_Pressure ,

And can’t understand the difference between wifi and cellphone data, because their wife pays the bills for them.

Holzkohlen ,

Damn, you know one guy who doesn’t fit the mold? Crazy to think there are outliers. Who would have thunk? I am absolutely flabbergasted. Shocking, to say the least.

DogMuffins ,

The world is so much easier to reason about when an entire generation can be explained by a meme though.

Cloudkid ,

I’m with you, remindes of this fun article on our human desire to see things black and white

cashews_best_nut ,

Funnily enough seeing things in black/white is a symptom of more than one personality disorder.

rwhitisissle ,

I always find it funny: the internet is a lot softer and more inclusive than it ever used to be. Explicit sexism, racism, homophobia/transphobia, etc. are treated with zero tolerance most places. But straight up ageism? That’s the last truly accepted form of bigotry. Because getting pissed at a group of people who will be dead soon for not fixing all the world’s problems is easy when you’re young. When Gen Z gets to be 40 and there are no more Boomers but nothing is still being done to address the world’s myriad problems, I like to think there will be some self-reflection on the nature of the world in which they live and the innate difficulty of addressing complex problems driven by societal inertia. But we both know there won’t be and they’ll probably pivot to hating Gen X and Millennials. Or maybe they’ll go the other direction and blame young people.

Grumpy , (edited )

Misandry seems to fly pretty often on the internet too.

Most specifically towards CIS white men. Even though I’m not that specific subset, I feel bad for them. Racism, bigotry and etc are tolerated when it’s directed at them and they can’t even defend themselves. Anytime they try to, they get met with whataboutism. Most of them are just flipping burgers. Just very tiny portion of CIS white men are iconic powerful people.

rambling_lunatic ,

I’m pretty sure most powerful people are straight white men. That being said, most straight white men aren’t powerful.

Grumpy ,

That’s what I said.

Rodeo ,

You misworded your last sentence though. You should rephrase it so it actually says what you mean.

Grumpy ,

I’ve edited it for clarity.

Rodeo ,

When I’m 80 and the world still isn’t fixed, I’ll be blaming the billionaires, just like I am right now.

rwhitisissle ,

Yes, this was always the correct course of action.

cashews_best_nut ,

I can answer your question: When the Boomers are gone the Millenials will be called “Boomers” and blamed instead.

I dropped into a European Discord server a while back and got called a Boomer when I mentioned my age (40). I’m a Millennial. Apparently the server was full of 16-19yr old kids so I wasn’t made to feel very welcome. Not been back since.

But Millenials will most likely take the hit when Boomers are gone except the term “Boomer” is now just a generic insult against people in middle age+.

Chr0nos1 ,

As a representative of Gen X, I can honestly say that I’m glad you think they’ll pick on your generation, and leave mine alone.

rwhitisissle ,

Gen X is the new Silent Generation because everyone forgot they even fucking existed. I remember when you guys were supposed to burn down cities and bring about full anarchy in the United States because you enjoyed grunge music and flannel. Turns out all of you were just chewed up and spit out by capitalism like the rest of us.

rwhitisissle ,

Seems likely. I’ve seen plenty of people say “Oh, this old-ass Boomer thinks [whatever shitty opinion here].” And this is in direct reference to people in their late forties/early fifties. And if you correct them and say “that person is Gen X - they’re the child of Baby Boomers,” they’ll pivot to “well, Boomer is a mindset, not age group.” But it does seem more likely to be an insult for old people or people who appear to be out of touch in some capacity.

bobbyfiend ,

Yeah, people who grew up with boomers as parents, teachers, bosses, weird aunts, etc. Find the ultra- reductiveness to be very silly. The labeling of the entire post war generation as incompetent neocons has never fit well except in the minds of people whose only knowledge of history comes from tiktok. Where do they think their anti- establishment ideas came from? Do they think the hippies and civil rights activists were millennials or something?

UristMcHolland ,

Ok boomer

bobbyfiend ,

You win the “most mind-numbingly predictable reply all day” award. Congrats.

Tartas1995 ,

Most people of any generation don’t know anything about Computers besides the most basic things. Too many people asked me to burn CDs for them because it was too difficult, I was like 11yo when people asked me…

DrSleepless , to lemmyshitpost in Maybe AI won't be taking all of our jobs after all?

Gotta have fear

FlyingSquid OP ,
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Just make sure to separate the yellow fear from the white fear.

KingJalopy ,

Once I got a double yellow fear. That was a good day.

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

Don’t pass on the double solid fear.

zero_spelled_with_an_ecks ,

Yep, especially if you’re a Green Lantern

deegeese ,

You should use all-purpose fear, bread fear will make the cake tough.

owenfromcanada ,
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If you don’t have fresh fear, canned fear works fine.

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