I use Chrome and Firefox it really isn’t all that baffling when certain sites just break on Firefox or a dev doesn’t use the browser to promote their product.
I guess guys don’t see half the Lemmy posts I do with users complaining they can’t download a piece of software like Adobe because Adobe tells them Firefox isn’t supported.
I love how Lemmy users live in this small logical fallacy bubble of, “well I don’t have it happen to me so therefore you must be the outlier instead.”
It doesn’t matter what finger you point where and that is my issue with Lemmy. You can support what you want but the truth is the average user that you want to use Firefox needs a web browser that is supported and works and the truth is average companies used like Adobe don’t use it or support it. I never said Firefox was the issue I said, it’s not surprising that people keep using Chrome.
Feel how you want but it comes to things just being available Chrome has that edge. I also don’t use Firefox to pretend not to use Chrome and that is the funny thing about the average Lemmy user. I use both because both have different benefits. If want to block ads and keep my privacy intact I use Firefox which is why none of my Google life is a part of Firefox. I use Proton and DuckDuckGo when using Firefox and pay for Blokada 6 for VPN usage on my OS and DNS over HTTPS when I use Firefox.
Believe it or not you can use both and remain rational and objective towards what one product does better than the other. It’s okay though. Don’t get me wrong some of us can be surprised that a product is popular. Some of us choose to understand where the value is in average consumer use case. You are als free to do whatever you want though.
Lemmy is full of users like that I keep saying make these statements, “why doesn’t the average user care about their privacy?” Or, “why does the average user still keep using Google or Facebook?” Because the average user can just find those the average user is lazy. They use what everyone is using. However, if web could have a normal discussion you would be surprised to maybe see that isn’t always the case. The product has to change and piss people off. Hence Reddit, Twitter, etc.
If you want the average user to move from Chrome to Firefox it is going to take Lemmy users not being smug and subtly saying, “why are they idiots that keep supporting bit companies that are against them.” And that is the vibe those questions give off and in return it makes things feel more inclusive and less welcoming. Instead of being “surprised” maybe you should be open to just educating a user or just ask them, “why do you use Chrome over FF?”
The issue I keep seeing is that it is the users problem but I think it is a bit of both the user and the big company. There should be an expectation of privacy but a doctor isn’t worried about a Googpe search being private a doctor is concerned with a search being accurate or available. Take DuckDuckGo for example.
The average user isn’t worried about an open source product they have to compile on a Linux OS that they have to install to get away from Windows so they can use an open source version of photo editing products on Firefox. The average user is just going to use what is there and what is popular. Let’s imagine for a second I am an Adobe software user and I go to download Adobe on Firefox and it just doesn’t work. As a user I am going to get annoyed and sure enough I will be right back on Chrome or Edge. That isn’t the users fault or FF’s fault. It is Adobes but that pointing finger is irrelevant to the user because they want a product that gives them no hassle.
I don’t know about the Adobe case because I don’t use Adobe web services. But it certainly could be Firefox’s fault. For a long time I was a regular heavy user of a site that made extensive use of a particular CSS property that just was not implemented on Firefox. For years it just couldn’t do the necessary behaviour for that site to work.
I don’t use the site anymore, and it looks like Firefox has eventually gotten around to implementing it so it might work. But the point stands that a site not supporting Firefox could be Firefox’s fault.
Personally, I’m of the opinion that a unified renderer is a good thing. Having all browsers be chromium based would make developers’ jobs easier and would in turn provide users with a better experience. The individual projects like Edge, Vivaldi, and Brave can and should choose not to implement shitty things that Google is doing like Manifest V3 and Web Integrity API, without needing to have their own entire rendering engine like Firefox does.
Again with this insufferable Lemmy user response it’s a loss because as an average user what do you think my next step is not should be. I am going to download Chrome. Call or a win but you are already missing the point of you think Adobe is losing here.
I don’t see the problem, adobe makes their site not work on google. What is firefox going to do? I would like adobe and google to be fined to literal death and have their entire companies split up and reduced to mere shells along with most other big pesudo monopolies. But that won’t happen so oh well. Also I’ve had websites not work on chrome too and in my windows days I had both installed, now I couldn’t give a fuck and just close the sites.
I just use edge/chrome for twitch.tv… It’s no longer compatible with Firefox for some reason… :(
Edit: twitch does work, I meant the login doesn’t. Sorry I was too sleepy to word it correctly. After pressing login even though user and password are correct I get an error message saying my browser is not compatible.
What happens if you switch the user agent header? Most of these sites that don’t work with Firefox actually do work but are deliberately designing them not to function with Firefox.
For example, I got Bing AI to work by switching it to mimic Edge.
Maybe I that was a wrong choice of words on my end.
Twitch doesn’t let me login. I can watch still. But if I want to earn drops or something I can’t, because I can’t login. It says my browser is incompatible.
Yeah, that’s my bad. I absolutely didn’t word that right. I was half asleep already ahaha
Twitch does work, but I can’t login. It says my browser is incompatible. The only reason I watch twitch is for twitch drops (I’m not really into live streams tbh) so that defeats the whole purpose.
I will try doing like someone else said and “spoof” my browser version and such. That would be great if it worked.
Thank you, it’s so weird to me that Lemmy users who were here before the reddit migration can’t just admit products do certain things better than others and vice versa its not defending or justifying Google irs being rational and seeing a bigger picture. Google is the ass hole no matter what but you can’t just say, “Firefox is perfect why are they using Chrome. When Firefox isn’t perfect but it is way better since time has come along.”
Reddit tried to force me ads down the throat and I just stopped using it. Yeah, it’s hard, but I ended up having more time for myself. I don’t get to send silly Videos to my friends as often, but who gives a fuck. At least I get time to hoover and shit
I still have the old Infinity installed and it works fine without payment, I just have to browse kind of slowly to avoid getting rate-limited. I also stopped participating much to avoid giving them free content.
I noticed my YouTube become extremely slow. I was using edge for watching videos. Chrome eats the ram and this ad block makes it easier to just switch. The next attemp would be how to avoid them showing use chrome whenever I google or use gmail or so.
Most users (at least in my observation, in the instances and communities i’m on) on Lemmy are privacy minded, open source fans, linux enthusiasts , etc.
Google is evil and will suck up any data they can find on you and sell it to anyone that will give them a buck. Lemmy users don’t like that. (me either)
Google also makes a lot of money selling ads that are crafted for your likes based on the data they steal from you. Lemmy users also don’t like that (me either).
Ad blockers will hamper some (not much) of google’s ad revenue so they don’t like them. many users use Ad Blockers ( I use an ad blocking DNS server)
Recently Google announced that their Chrome browser would not allow ad-blockers because it’s changing the functionality that ad-blockers use (Google sucks, don’t use Google stuff)
So that is why it’s showing up an Lemmy a lot right now.
“ In June 2023, the Chrome Web Store will no longer allow Manifest V2 items to be published with visibility set to Public. All existing Manifest V2 items with visibility set to Public at that time will have their visibility changed to Unlisted. In January 2024, following the expiration of the Manifest V2 enterprise policy, the Chrome Web Store will remove all remaining Manifest V2 items from the store. “
Looks like existing ones might still work until January?
It’s not like they actually announced it. They wouldn’t do something so suicidal. However, they have changed the code API that add-ons like adblockers use under the guise of “keeping people secure”
These changes have essentially neutered adblockers so they’re only 10-20% as effective as they once were.
Firefox has gone out of their way to speak out against this, that it doesn’t help privacy or security quite as much as they say and ensures their browser still includes the code required to make add-ons like adblockers work properly.
Firefox isn’t the only option, but most other browsers are based on chrome. Meaning they don’t have a lot of options. Some have opted to build their own adblockers directly into the browsers, howeever those adblockers aren’t as good options as having an unaffiliated add-on that we can swap out if it gets dirty, and starts taking money from advertisers to deliberately stop blocking specific ads from them.
brave is a particularly bad offender. It specifically actually only blocks ads that don’t come from its own ad service - using adblockers as a means to stop other ad services from competing with it.
You guys are talking about the removal of manifest v2. According to a reddit post in ublockorigin. The lite version will be very limited compared to the regular version. Fortunately, Firefox still works, and it won’t be an issue for a while(on mobile and desktop)
You’ve already got some answers, but the recent drama is specifically about a Chromium-centered API, called Web Environment Integrity.
It has been found on a Google engineer’s Github account, and iirc it’s being tested on Chrome.
It’s basically web DRM.
The idea is that the API allows websites to require browsers to guarantee they are unmodified through a “third-party” attester, like Google SafetyNet (or whatever the fuck it got rebranded as) does.
Imagine if you were trying to access a mobile-only website on your PC, by changing your HTTP user agent string;
the website would refuse to serve you the page, and tell you “I don’t trust you, are you really a Google Pixel?”.
A real Pixel’s browser would ask Google Play to vouch for it, and the website would trust Google Play (due to cryptographic shenanigans and whatnot); your browser, however, would not have an attester that:
is (claiming to be) universally accepted as trustworthy;
answers “yes, I’m a Google Pixel” on a PC;
has the necessary cryptographic secrets to work.
That doesn’t sound too bad.
But, what if the attester can check your browser’s extensions, and tell the website that you’re running an adblocker (which is WEI’s explicit goal)?
What if it also checks your system’s running processes or applications?
What if you ran a debloater script for Windows, and the attester decided that a lack of ads in the start menu was sus?
What if it detected VPN usage? I know some governments that wouldn’t like that, I bet they would like it if VPN users would be denied access to half the web…
It’s “true” in the sense that it could happen in theory, Google is (allegedly?) planning to use WEI for forcing people to see ads rather than China-firewalling the web; also, WEI was still under development last time I checked.
Whether the attesters that end up being universally trusted will poke around to check for VPNs is up for speculation, for now.
Even then, this is just an API for websites. If you use other means of communication, you’ll be fine.
I’m from the Philippines and I can explain why, at least here, most people still use chrome. Over here, we’re much more concerned about our money and time over our rights and privacy, which means we usually just choose the most convenient and cheap money-wise, which is why the majority of us still use chrome and why the government here can get away with so much shit. we don’t care about our rights not because we’re being given bread and circuses, but because we’re too busy making a circus out of ourselves so we can buy bread.
I think you misunderstood what they are trying to convey.
Yes, it’s quick and easy to install (privacy respecting alternative). But to even get to the point that you recognize that you need that alternative is a time commitment as well. They are so busy trying to stay alive and support themselves that they don’t have the extra mental registers to devote to keeping up with privacy implications of popular software.
Not to mention, some software now suffers from IE6-itis, except this time with chromium. So if a user encounters one of those issues on an important site, they’re more likely to drift over to the chromium side again. That friction alone causes more hardship for a person in their situation than simply giving up some privacy for convenience.
They’re also not even making excuses. They’re simply telling you what the point of view is in their world.
Your current approach presents a holler-than-thou attitude that is rude and off-putting. Ultimately, it’s not your job nor mine to chastise them for their choices. If they’re reading this thread, that shows interest in the topic.
Allow them to discover it for themselves (with guided encouragement and assistance if requested) instead of being guilted into a decision. That will have a much more long-lasting impact.
I see the method you attempt all over the Internet, and it always has the same effect of contributing to a toxic, elitist culture. IMHO, that needs to stop if we have any chance of changing more minds to be privacy-aware.
Fair enough! It does take a lot of time to build an understanding of the issue here and I failed to take that into account. I realize not everyone has that sort of time, inclination or even general interest in the subject and that privacy is not exactly at the top of values for most people.
Still, I think people as individuals are still at least a little bit at fault for the way things are, though certainly the most of it falls on the system that fails to teach people about this sort of stuff and on the corporations that take advantage of that lack of knowledge.
I guess I let my frustration get the better of me in my comment. Sometimes it feels like there’s this massive fire raging in the middle of the city and just a handful of us are trying to put out at least a tiny proportion if it while the rest just don’t care about it.
Anyways, thank you for the well-written response, kind stranger, and for making me self reflect!
You got it! We all need a little reminder to take context into account sometimes. And I do appreciate what you were trying to do, which is promote privacy. It’s a laudable goal, and one that I encourage you to continue. Just remember to meet people where they are, instead of where you want them to be. ;)
it’s not about how easy it is to install it’s that it has to be installed at all. Over here we prefer phones as there’s a lot of cheap phones here that only cost less than $100, and since most phones here come preinstalled with chrome, even if firefox is free and all, why go through the hassle of having to go and install it when Chrome’s already there?
most people here have a mindset of “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” which explains a lot of things wrong in this country.
Most people just use the default browser on their phone, even in developed countries. Add to that Google’s constant nagging to switch to Chrome which has a powerful effect at keeping their dominance.
Lol. The privacy bits are what always make me doubt people who say they use iOS for privacy reasons. They’ll scream that and then install every google service they can on the same phone.
I use Google Docs a lot and the only reason I haven’t uninstalled Chrome is that, for whatever reason, the fonts don’t display right on Firefox. They used to years ago but I suspect they changed something to negatively impact other browsers.
Why? It does everything a non-techie would expect from browser and it performs well, why switch to something else?
That said I think Chrome is a terrible Chromium based browser. Edge and Vivaldi in my opinion are much better options. Edge for most folk and Vivaldi for more adventurous types.
Yeah, likely they’re using the same backend to provide voip services (maybe skype’s backend just scaled up) . Teams must’ve borrowed something from skype given how haphazardly it was developed and released.
MS Teams actually makes use of WebRTC. That’s a standard for VoIP (and similar) via web browsers. Mozilla and Google standardized that a few years ago and implemented it in their browsers, so what Microsoft did, is that they basically shipped a whole Google Chrome to users.
I believe, they did rip some code from Skype for Business for the integration into Windows, though. In the early days, the OS would say that the Teams notifications came from Skype for Business.
yep and running teams would have skype services running…here is MS PR
Transitioning from Skype for Business to Microsoft Teams To deliver smarter calling and meeting experiences with intelligent communications, we are bringing Skype for Business capabilities into Microsoft Teams
I mostly use it to make international calls cause sometimes the country my folks are living in shuts down the cellular internet for some reason when major exams/riots are happening and whatsapp stops working.
Imaging telling a whole nation of people they can’t use internet on their 500+ dollar phone. The fuck did they buy them for, playing temple run?
Btw you can suggest them the Briar messenger app. It can send messages via nearby peoples phones if they also have Briar. So if enough people installed it, a city could have it’s own messaging network even when the official one is down
It’s still one of the best options for video calling. Available on all the major platforms, no time limits, the quality is great. International call rates are some of the cheapest out there.
You have to realize that people who are easily grifted think it must be easy to grift. True grifting takes a degree of thoughtfulness and intelligence (I didn’t say much).
Sovcits are exclusively about magic tricks. Magic tricks so that the cops can’t pull them over, magic tricks so that they don’t have to pay taxes for the services they use, magic tricks so that the law doesn’t apply to them. None of them work, of course, it usually just amounts to tax fraud.
I think the dumb part is that a deposit on your account is always a credit to the account. They are conflating a credit card with the credit piece of the journal entry that gets made.
Nobody would give two shits if that was the problem. The problem is that their behavior endangers the safety of others and the integrity of society.
I don’t just mean people who cannot be vaccinated. Without vaccines, lockdowns like the ones during the covid pandemic would be in effect pretty much all the time. We have functioning vaccines against diseases that are much worse than covid. We got lucky in 2020.
People like to bitch and moan about the inconveniences endured during covid and would use terms like “doom sayers” to insult people who promoted lockdowns and vaccines. Under the guise of “it wasn’t that bad”.
Yeah, no shit Sherlock. Without lockdowns and vaccines it would’ve been ten times worse. We actually got relatively scot-free. Huge swaths of the developing world endured millions of deaths.
Anyone with more than two brain cells to run together, who learns about the “Spanish Flu” of 1918-1920, should immediately say “I’m getting vaccinated, I’m wearing a mask and I’m self isolating”. 50 million people died. 50 million! We got lucky with COVID because so many people unselfishly did those things.
I was tracking the pandemic and the mortality rate among patients who had to be hospitalized during the initial strain was over 5% at times! People really don’t get how lucky we are that the omicron and subsequent variants has lower mortality. Imagining even 10 or 15% would completely collapse our medical system altogether.
Society before vaccines didn’t have lockdowns all the time, the mortality was higher because you died of disease now almost forgotten. During epidemics a lot of things still had to get done, the corpses didn’t remove themselves, people still needed food, water and their shit carried off.
I’m not sure many people against vaccines these days have met anyone who got the diseases everyone is vaccinated for nowadays. Polio as a child? You survived? Great, you’ll have a limp and bad joints your whole life…
It did indeed have lockdowns! Public Health quarantines have a history that is thousands of years old. Polio would close public pools regularly when my parents were children.
Closing a pool and the 2020 insanity in some countries where you weren’t even allowed to walk your dog without self-certifying your outing as legal under the pseudo-curfew are very different, which is more what I meant by lockdowns since that’s what the contemporary meaning seems to be.
Quarantines in case of known infections are very different from shutting down arbitrary sectors of an economy because politicians said so, they don’t even compare to lockdowns in scope.
Did you even read some of the quarantines? There are several instances of them quarantining entire countries, no boats in or out. There’s instances of towns being isolated, etc.
Lastly, your first sentence is absolutely baffling. We KNEW COVID was everywhere, wtf are you even talking about? At its height, the US alone was having around 200,000+ confirmed cases a day. You are vastly underplaying how close our medical system came to collapsing in huge swathes of the country. There’s absolutely a reason why there’s a global shortage of doctors and nurses right now, the burnout during the pandemic was absolutely unreal for medical workers.
The kneejerk complete shutdown at the beginning was a tad overkill in some places, but that was because of so many unknown variables. The initial strains were absolutely more deadly, so why risk it? However, I don’t remember anywhere in the US going to extremes of making it so you couldn’t even walk outside. Now, places like China absolutely went way overkill with literally forcibly boarding people into buildings.
I don’t live in the US. France and Italy had policies closer to Chinese ones, but not as stringent, you had fines in some places if you were unlucky, on paper though you weren’t supposed to be outside much if at all.
Everyone knew COVID was everywhere and yet from one week to the next the French government changed its tune completely, and conflicting information, empty promises and moving goalposts were the norm 2020-2022.
I never stopped working because I had an “essential” job. At first we weren’t provided masks then a few weeks later we would get punished if we didn’t wear them, we were told to keep a distance working manual jobs in teams, and there were zero scientific references for most decisions being taken. It was a giant circus.
Or maybe, just maybe, more information on COVID was being gained day by day, and they were adjusting to meet that changing data. There was plenty of scientific data backing up the changes.
Plus, y’know, they had to balance the effects of a deadly disease with the need for those essential jobs.
Because going out on the street was going to make the spread of a respiratory virus much worse than being forced to stay home most of the time? Places with stricter policies didn’t have better adherence to the rules anyway, Swedish people were never forced to stay home and more did than in Italy or France.
While the global scale of the covid lockdown was indeed unprecedented, quarantining and curfews were indeed used during the Spanish flu, bubonic plague and other widespread diseases. Back then, that was sufficient because population density was lower and the world was much less connected in general. Nobody went on a 2-week holiday trip to Bali during the bubonic plague, or huddled up in huge skyscraper office buildings for work, so the spreading of the disease was already slower.
Some years before covid (I think it was in 2012 or 2013), we got dangerously close to an ebola pandemic. That would have been fun, I imagine, I love bleeding out of all orifices and dying, my favorite past-time.
Please put an NSFW tag on this. I was on the train and when I saw this I had to start furiously masturbating. Everyone else gave me strange looks and were saying things like “what the fuck” and “call the police”. I dropped my phone and everyone around me saw this image. Now there is a whole train of men masturbating together at this one image. This is all your fault, you could have prevented this if you had just tagged this post NSFW.
It was a train conductors’ meeting, they hold it on board a moving train, which is scary because all the conductors are at the meeting so nobody’s available to actually drive. Entire generations of conductors have been lost this way.
I kinda get it. Some people are imagining a Nespresso commercial from the 90’s, all cozy and comfy.
I, a person who once shared an office with someone who thought air popping popcorn at their desk was a socially acceptable thing to do, can imagine a Sam Kinnison-esque vibe to the “AHHHHs”.
I have misiphonia actually lol. I can’t eat at restaurants because the sound of metal cutlery scraping together or scraping on people’s teeth causes me physical pain and makes my own teeth “itch” for lack of a better word. It really sucks but I don’t go around shaming people for eating in a way that’s normal for them either.
So, I definitely get it but mocking people for sighing in contentment over their lil toasty cup of coffee seems criminal to me. It feels like there’s not enough joy in the world right now to be making people feel bad about silly things like that ya know? :/
I was made aware that my chewing is too loud. I no longer enjoy eating food around people because I’m too self-conscious about the noise. It’s a stupid thing to care about, and I feel stupid for letting it bother me. I wish “live and let live” was easier.
“Looks like you’re trying to make toast? I’m here to help! What kind of toast are you trying to make?.. and did you know toast originated in the early days of…”
“Tech companies say AI is going to cure cancer and fix climate change…and they put it in a toaster. I got making toast covered. Please keep working on the curing cancer thing”
If you phrase your question in exactly the right way it will provide a mundane watered down fact about toast. Also the heat generated from the chip calculating that response is what heats your bread instead of an old fashion coil. Oh, and you get to pay a subscription fee to use it.
You’re describing IOT years ago. I still don’t know why my washing machine needs access to my internet. Thoufh I guess I like the alerts when the cycle is done.
The reason for that is because we hit a point where it was cheaper to buy an off the shelf microcomputer that came with wireless capabilities than it was to design a purpose built control board.
Once you’re building a device that has the hardware for itg, you may as well try to use it as a competitive differentiator.
When this wasn’t a total failure, manufacturers started spending a bit more effort to develop the control part of things, which is why now we have a lot of different unified hub type apps.
Maybe. Those don’t come “for free” though. It’s a case, I think, of companies trying to skip needing to invest in UI design for stuff and “just let the AI figure out what they want”
IOT died with the Juicero. It was everything IOT claimed to be rolled into one overpriced package: a worthless scam tied to a subscription model that spied on its users. Really reveals the whole game when someone actually follows through on the marketing bullshit.
EDIT: and the saddest thing is that I looked into it; despite being 500$ they sold those things at a 250$ loss. So unsustainable on top of it all.
Simple answer is they are careful about what they say and have good lawyers that review it.
A few examples.
Calling Tom Cruise a fudge packer in the context of him being in a bathhouse could eaisly open them up to liability for calling him gay. But doing it in a fudge factory while showing him putting fudge in a box gives them a clear defense that they meant it literally.
Simmaraly telling him to come out of the closet while he is actually in a closet provides cover.
Making things so absurd that a reasonable person wouldn’t believe it and know it’s a joke also works. So having Barbara Streisand aquire an artifact that makes her into a giant robot monster works but something plausible wouldn’t.
Having Kanye open up and admit he is a gay fish is absurd enough to provide protection. However they probably couldn’t get away with him simply coming out as gay.
Of course the genius of south park is they use these legal protections in ways that make the story funnier and not just for cover.
Actually, yeah, because selling copies is all they care about. And the fact that Epic decided to help get EAC running via Proton back in 2022 shows, that Valve’s endeavor does have impact.
Yeah bro, the 4% is reaaally worth it. Linux bros cope so hard. Just enjoy your tinkering instead of acting like you’re such a big deal not missing out
where did you get this stat? Do you mean “working” or “verified”? VERY FEW games in my steam library don’t work out of the box. I forget to check when I buy them, they work that consistently
That’s a kinda bad statistic to use. Most games don’t get lots of attention. And since only a fraction of players use Linux even more games don’t get played by Linux players. Those who play also have to make reports on proton, and not everyone does that.
If you really want to know about Linux compatibility, search for the stats of the protondb database. Only 13% are below silver( they either have a bronze rating or are borked).
Given that the global desktop OS market is estimated to be around 1.23 billion users, 4.03% of the entire global market is approximately 49.3 million users and exponentially growing. And that’s excluding ChromeOS which accounts for another 2% and Unknown; which likely includes a significant number of Linux users; at 6%.
Linux jumped from 3% to 4% in just the last 8 months. Linux could potentially surpass the 5% market share milestone by the end of 2024 given the current trajectory of growth.
Yes. Because Valve put in a lot of work and convinced EAC to add support and collaborated with them to get it added, only for Epic & Tim Weenie himself to immediately do something bad, spread FUD and other such crap.
Your middle school level insult totally means that you have a well reasoned point instead of fanboying for Valve. Don’t you have some loot boxes and gambling targeted towards children from Valve to go to?
Don’t you have some loot boxes and gambling targeted towards children from Valve to go to?
Nope, because I don’t play those games. Also, Epic literally does that 24/7 with fortnite and other such crap.
Your middle school level insult totally means that you have a well reasoned point instead of fanboying for Valve.
I’m not a fanboy for Valve, I don’t even play Valve’s games. I just recognize that when Tim Weenie fires 1000 employees and then goes “If only we had a few more programmers. It’s the Linux problem. …” that he’s talking out his fuckin ass.
I also recognize that Valve has been putting in a shit load of work into bettering the Linux ecosystem via Proton, The Steamdeck, enticing EAC & Battleye into agreeing to collaborate, among their countless contributions to various Linux related open source projects, such as dxvk, vkd3d, wine, the Linux kernel, etc. even if it’s a long term investment on their own part.
There’s a reason why it’s called proton_eac_runtime and not eac_proton_runtime.
You have to be incredibly out of touch or a blatant Epic games fanboy to disregard the facts like that.
Epic does something you like, it’s to Valve’s credit since Valve did it first. Valve does something you don’t like, it’s okay since Epic does it even though Valve did it first and popularized it.
At least your logic is as advanced as your insults.
Epic does something you like, it’s to Valve’s credit since Valve did it first.
Not at all. EAC gets credit for collaborating with Valve, Valve gets credit for laying the entire ground work allowing for that collaboration to occur in the first place (Proton, Linux Kernel contributions, Steam Deck, and negotiating with EAC).
Valve does something you don’t like, it’s okay since Epic does it even though Valve did it first and popularized it.
Wrong, lootboxes are a scourge upon the entire gaming industry no matter who does it. Like I already fucking said I do not play games that have loot boxes in them, let alone any of Valve’s games.
Loot boxes is irrelevant to the conversation in the fucking first place, can you stop with the strawman already. The conversation is on Linux game compatibility support, not loot boxes, stop derailing the conversation.
At least your logic is as advanced as your insults. 🤓☝️
" Oh no someone insulted Big Daddy Tim Sweeney, I better defend him else my Epic bussy plug will slip out!! 😱🥺 "
Gotten us where? You’d think that if they just wanted your money they’d do something else. The fact is your money is as small as the Linux desktop market share.
If you think the entire reason Proton was developed was because they’re so desperate for the Linux bros’ money then you need to get off your high horse man you’re in the gutter.
Your issue is that you’re individualistic, and that is why corporations are fucking people the way they are. It’s because of individualistic thinking like yours. Good luck in life.
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