At least you can tell where something happens by place names, I get headlines ‘12 shot in Manchester gun fight’ or ‘Birmingham man kills 8 in roadrage incident’ and there’s just no way of telling it’s America… OK, well those examples are obvious but the point stands.
Can, should, and hopefully will. His charming smile and faux-liberal persona on dirty jobs did insurmountable damage to worker’s rights by slow-walking the youth to believing that safety and unions only slow down otherwise reasonable progress.
There should be one-episode reboot where Mike gets to perform blue collar tasks with machinery that’s missing all legally required safety labels and fail-safes. Then he’s only given a description of what he’s supposed to accomplish with zero warnings or regulations. At the end of the episode, Mike and whatever pieces of him that remain gets to receive their paycheck after all debts are settled at the company store. That final amount is what he gets to use for rent and food for the week.
Edit: Ok, I feel bad. But like… I know one dumbass with a cough that won’t go away (7 years and counting) because they wouldn’t effing listen to me about DE, another who rolled his tractor on to himself and died. Don’t take it lightly man. The bill always comes due. We all do what we have to, lord knows I’ve done some dumb shit, but it ain’t cute to dismiss it.
Honestly, it puts me off completely. I’m a woman and this is what gaming used to be: women are sluts. The ad isn’t even trying to be clever or anything. Like wtf is this this trying to say?
And why is it a “trashy hot” woman despite the target audience being 99% young men at the time? This is what I mean. The ad speaks to a target audience that is not on the poster.
Oh, she’s trashy? Why? Please don’t tell us you did not get whooshed by the ad now.
The ad has combined the image of putting tablets on a womans tongue, while also having her in a pose with tongue out that is also used to imply the desire to perform oral sex. This is highlighted by the fact she is looking up, with the camera focused on her face.
That said, I’m guessing here, but I’m sure as hell not going to tell a woman she’s not allowed to be offended by sexualization of another woman to sell Playstations.
Yeah, so you can see the logos forming the pattern of the face buttons on the pills.
This is highlighted by the fact she is looking up, with the camera focused on her face.
becausw she’s getting high, this is really common “being high” imagery. That’s even why it looks slightly sexual: orgasms are just a different kind of high.
but I’m sure as hell not going to tell a woman she’s not allowed to be offended by sexualization of another woman to sell Playstations.
Nobody said she can’t be, they just pointed out her reasoning doesn’t really hold much water, because it doesn’t. People can feel however they want about something, none of us can stop them.
When i saw this ad, all i thought was ecstasy, rave and playstation. Not “women are sluts” or anything like it. If i didn’t get the reference, i probably would think the same about the ad as her. I don’t think she got the reference, not after her initial comment.
Tongue out with ecstasy on is something you would see at raves. The eyes up is odd i give you that, that’s made to look submissive, and sure there are sexual connotations, advertisers are clever.
But raves were also not some sterile asexual gatherings either. I don’t know.
Tongue out with ecstasy on is something you would see at raves. The eyes up is odd i give you that, that’s made to look submissive, and sure there are sexual connotations, advertisers are clever.
Yeah exactly, but also come on everyone, ecstasy is a drug that tends to make you want to fuck. So I think the ad -> sluttiness could be from, and I’m guessing here, that she’s in a submissive pose that just so happens to be identical to a sexual one, taking a drug that makes one want to fuck, and that’s her ‘role’ in this ad.
That said, you’ll notice not a single person asking the woman who posted why she saw it that way, they just jumped to tell her she’s wrong.
So @stufkes , on behalf of men on lemmy, I’m sorry you got this reaction. I really hope at least one person in this thread goes “Wait… I don’t see it as problematic, but someone else does. Maybe I should understand why?”
It’s edgy marketing. You’re not wrong it’s also clearly sexualizing her, but they’re pushing a console like a party drug.
On the one hand, it’s a very dated ad, on the other I really wish marketing companies would do weird shit like this more. Just maybe with a bit less sex appeal?
There’s nothing wrong with sex appeal. Removing sex appeal, drugs, whatever else is how you get boring corpo bullshit ads instead of edgy corpo bullshit ads.
They absolutely can. This just isn’t really one of them. Ads in the 90s all treated women as sex objects to be “played”. And this ad isnt wild in that regard, but you’re kidding yourself if you think they didn’t choose that angle and lighting deliberately.
Maybe not, but damn it, that’s our reality. I kind of like it better than the hollow virtue signaling these days. And of course it would be great if corporations could actually be virtuous, but apparently that’s been litigated away.
Nah this is still corpo bullshit. It’s also one of the tamer specimens of that era. The only difference is, the corpos in charge of advertising at that time were all sentient hardons who heard stories about how drugs are and peaked at 14. None of them lived in the real world and they just churned out knee-jerk sexist bullshit because they wanted to appeal to boys going through puberty and men that never left that headspace.
<rant> A lot of the ads from that era are uncomfortable. Hell, a lot of the games were. It was rare to see a female character that wasn’t ditzy and helpless, a thinly-veiled copy of the writer’s mom, or exactly like a dude but hot. Those were the options. I’m not saying I needed every game to be a work of great literature with complex and tormented characters and copious backstory; I just wanted female characters in games that didn’t like someone doing a ventriloquism act with their fleshlight.
I ended up chasing gameplay and trying to ignore how fucking awkward and immature most of the shooters were in that era and I don’t think I was alone. I think a lot of gamers grew up and drove the market in a slightly more mature direction. Some people blame woke bullshit, but for me it was just being utterly sick of how fucking juvenile everything was and voting with my money. There’s still a vocal minority out there that wants the good old days back, but I’d stop playing if the industry went back to exclusively 3xtr33m l33t 4ct10n d00d bullshit.
Sidenote: I played the demo for some Cliffy B game a decade ago on my XBox and hard-quit and deleted when the guy on my comms told me to “fire a rocket directly up the bad guy’s poop chute.” I was in my 30s and Cliff was probably pushing 40 at the time. What the hell? Are we nine years old again? Then again, he was the guy that threw his cat into his scanner and posted a picture of it every day until the internet told him to stop. Ugh. Let’s never go back there. </rant>
I’m 41 now, so I was around for all that stuff. I must admit, I love those old ’90s and early ’00s games like Duke Nukem. I was also going through puberty at the time, so there’s that nostalgic factor.
I don’t think those days are ever coming back, and I’m okay with that. I enjoyed those games at the time, but I can now see how others may have found them offensive—something I never really considered back then. Many of those ads and games were a product of their time, reflecting the MTV era, which, as we know, eventually gave way to reality TV, for better or worse.
These days, it seems like we’ve evolved in some ways but regressed in others, with thousands of porn games on Steam, which is definitely not my thing. I appreciate that the industry has matured and is now more inclusive and diverse. While there’s still room for improvement, I’m glad to see that gaming can offer more sophisticated and varied content that appeals to a broader audience.
None of them lived in the real world and they just churned out knee-jerk sexist bullshit because they wanted to appeal to boys going through puberty and men that never left that headspace.
It really took the industry a long time to get out of that, too. It was all through the early 2000’s, and people forget, also had wonderful shit like:
this, which should have taken that franchise down. People just gloss over it now like ‘oh yeah, haha, people were just like that back in… 2009!? Oh, shit, uh…’
(EDIT: Feel free to explain your downvote, you miss ads like this?)
Yes, and I really hope more people see this. It was an embarrassment, and people tried to quickly forget. Before they did though, we got to see the absolute art piece that was the Battlefield teams response.
Yeah that’s actually funny. Calling it FRAGS is just the icing.
Now that it’s less broken, I’ve been playing Cyberpunk a lot and it feels like edgy shit done correctly. All the big tough guys are actually just weirdos enamored with the sound of their own voice, the ads are ludicrously over the top, it’s bloody, and everyone’s a human being. I haven’t felt gross with any of the content in it so far and it has at least as many strippers as Duke 3D had. I think the loud edgelords keep trying to paint it as free speech vs censorship but it’s really about not making players complicit in whatever infantile world view the director has.
Not the downvoter, but i appereciate how the punchline of the ad wasn’t explicitly spelled out, despite the punchline being “slur funny.”
I feel like we tolerated the assholes of the time because, immature though they were, they were the life of the party, which was “the point” of gaming for a demographic, to be the exact opposite of work in every way.
We need high-energy, charismatic, boundary pushing people if we want games that are fresh and innovative. Unfortunately, those tendencies can amplify the worst in us. But we don’t need to tolerate asholism for the sake of entertainment, its never worth it.
I feel like we tolerated the assholes of the time because, immature though they were, they were the life of the party, which was “the point” of gaming for a demographic, to be the exact opposite of work in every way.
Hard disagree there, particularly as someone who worked in the industry, has a gay kid, and worked with women in the industry. The ‘frat boy’ stuff was amusing to 13 year old fans, sure, but it was abusive, cruel, and awful to be anywhere near. There’s a billion different ways to achieve the same objective without being homophobic, sexist, etc, like say this masterpiece response to said ad.
Late 90’s/early 2000’s E3 and game shows were greasy
I posted this elsewhere, but people pretend like that just ended abruptly in 2005, but I want people to always remember this shit. That’s 2009, not 1999, gross.
Given this is a print ad, I think the primary payload is just “SEX DRUGS AND ROCK & ROLL” shouted as loud as it can to get the reader to stop flipping through the magazine and actually look at it, and then once it’s got the reader by the foveas it then says “Sony Playstation 2. Circle Cross Triangle Square.”
PS2 launched in late 2000 so this ad would be targeting tween, teen and young adult millennial boys and men, so the secondary payload here is to associate the PS2 brand with thoughts and imagery that demographic is interested in or curious about, such as clubs/raves/parties, girls, sex, party drugs, and sex with girls on party drugs at a club or rave and thus transfer some of that interest/curiosity to itself.
The tertiary payload would be to use association with more grown up imagery (also during this time were ads featuring four condoms in see-through packets bent into the Circle-Cross-Triangle-Square shapes among others) to set themselves apart from Nintendo, who generally maintains an all-ages friendly image, and especially during the GameCube era when they revealed The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker to much fan backlash at the “childish, cartoony” graphics. The PS2 looked more like a piece of AV equipment than Nintendo’s Barney The Dinosaur purple box, and could play audio CDs and DVD movies, VERY important socializing tools for teens in the 2000s.
Bottom line is it FUCKING worked. The PS2 sold like toilet paper. Sony sold 155 million PS2s worldwide, Outselling the GameCube (21.7 million and the Wii (101.7 million) combined And they did it with ads that said “Hey, if you’re grown up and with it enough to recognize what this chick is doing, ours is the game console for you.”
Bottom line is it FUCKING worked. The PS2 sold like toilet paper.
You really didn’t need the ads. PS2 absolutely dominated because they were the ones with the all of the huge publishers. Sega, Nintendo, and Microsoft couldn’t hold a candle to the sheer amount of great exclusives. It was only when Xbox 360 and later the Wii came out did the console wars start to shift.
It was this webcomic that put this idea in my head and I just can’t stop seeing it everywhere “I don’t like this because I’m a woman” comes up. The original commenter also slut shamed the model in the ad which is why I figure it’s either homophobia or sex negativity in general.
But yeah yeah I know homophobia is bad and you can’t accuse women of being bad.
Oh yeah, the culture was toxic af. Lots of folks never grew out of the toxicity. Granted it was preexisting toxicity coopted and reinforced in the gaming culture, not created by it. We’re in a much better place in that regard these days.
No, the imagery was supposed to invoke the rave culture at the time. Lots of men, women, boys, and girls doing X, and the pills usually were white like that.
People arguing with you without acknowledging that this was just an ad in a sea of sexist as fuck ads. Maybe is not as sexist as the average one, but still.
I read somewhere that it is a symptom of a certain type of artificial muscle-building drug that goes overboard on the chest muscles but that was a reddit comment from a while ago so its probably bullshit.
And there’s almost no muscle on that chest. Even if there were, there’s no muscle that can get that thick on the bottom ribs (the serratus for instance is quite flush with your rib cage)
There was a story a while ago about how these pictures were staged and designed to show the muskrat in the worst ways possible. It was basically super cheap publicity.
This post is an example of how these pictures propagate and keep that goat a household name.
If you watch his latest appearance on Joe Rogans podcast, he actually looks like a normal human. This picture is probably either really just a bad angle, or it’s been photoshopped.
I sometimes like to watch his videos when he has someone on that’s into conspiracy theories and the likes. About as entertaining as the alex jones gay frogs remix
i have a similar build to him and when i cut out enough carbs for long enough; i look like him; when i don’t, i’m just plain old good fashioned fat.
you know he’s cutting out the carbs/fat because there’s not much back fat; but the chest still sticks out like he is still fat, as it does on me; i would sympathize with him if we wasn’t one of the richest men on the planet and a raging asshole at the same time.
I live in Tennessee. The number of lives that Dolly Parton has changed for the better is immeasurable. The two things you’re supposed to do as a Christian are to love God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself.
She loves her neighbors more than she loves herself. Anyone talking trash about Dolly is the worst kind of person.
My wife and I recently had a child. We came home the other day to a book in the mail; “The Little Engine That Could”. It was sent by a foundation that Dolly either started or contributes heavily to. She chose that book as the introductory book because it reminds her of the struggles her father endured and overcame learning to read. Fuck whoever dispareges Dolly Parton in the neck with a rusty screwdriver.
A tooltip is more from an interaction. Hover over a button, and a tooltip pops up giving you a tip about the tool you are about to click.
Balloons don’t come from interaction, and they point to something specific. Like an annotation or something.
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