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Jimmyeatsausage , to mildlyinteresting in After years of being told I was part Cherokee, someone was mad that I wasn't.

I’ve heard before that there is a tendency of these tests to over-report European ancestry and under-report or misidentify ethnic minorities. Something to do with the underlying datasets not being inclusive enough because those populations are smaller and don’t purchase these DNA tests at the same rate as Western Europeans.

There also seems to be a weird fetishisation of First Nations ancestry in parts of the US. I’ve also been told I have Cherokee ancestors, but it didn’t show in my dna ancestory either.

LesserAbe ,

I was also told our family was part Cherokee. It’s apparently a super common claim

thesporkeffect ,

I’m struggling to process that this is so common… Also had this in my family growing up

ininewcrow ,
@ininewcrow@lemmy.ca avatar

I’m up in northern Ontario in Canada and I had a French Canadian neighbor who loved watching John Wayne movies. He often told me that he had Cherokee ancestry too.

I told him a hundred times that this wasn’t Cherokee territory because I was full blooded Ojibwe Cree from this area and we had never heard of Cherokee. I kept telling him that he was probably part Ojibwe or Algonquin which is who the French mixed with in our area … but he really wanted to be a John Wayne movie Indian.

livus ,
@livus@kbin.social avatar

That's hilarious!

PriorityMotif ,
@PriorityMotif@lemmy.world avatar

Mixed race / olive skinned people trying to find something more acceptable in order to avoid being outcast. Also, edgelords.

Passerby6497 ,

My mother always claimed that some amount of greats-grandmother was a Cherokee princess, but I’ve always thought it was bunk.

TexasDrunk ,

Definitely bunk because there were no Cherokee princesses. Could still have some sort of Native American ancestry but that whole Cherokee Princess thing was so overused at one point that it became a trope.

njm1314 ,

You hear it so much that frankly when I hear it I assume they’re lying. Like it’s become that stereotype.

s_s ,

It’s unstated racism.

If someone in your past could get a good tan, it was common to say that they were part “< insert native american tribe from your area>” because you definitely didn’t want to be perceived as part black.

Look up the “one-drop rule”.

LesserAbe ,

I’m sure that was a factor in many of these instances. That said in our family my impression was it was more of a “here’s something special about us” type thing, like there’s nothing otherwise noteworthy.

s_s ,

That’s generally how these things are always communicated to later generations. 😂

Gullible , to greentext in Anon doesn't like any web browsers

Only time I’ve had an issue with Firefox requiring >5 minutes of diagnosis was when a shared library was deleted during a freeware uninstall. What an odd piece of criticism.

Also, brave’s president is right wing, and I dislike that. Like “pls no step on snek” right wing.

AtariDump ,
AtariDump ,
MajorHavoc , to linuxmemes in A broken man

“I know what no one wants to admit - that everybody is just one bad day away from copy/pasting a curl command that pipes a remote script into sudo.”

737 ,

done that

phorq ,

Sudo? Not likely, on bad days I run as root by default…

Sakychu ,

Living on the edge I see!

TunaCowboy ,

Essentially describes CVE-2024-3400, absolute garbage security from Palo Alto.

Norgur , to lemmyshitpost in bath time
@Norgur@fedia.io avatar

Ground fault protection has entered the chat

fossphi ,

Hold my breaker!

Norgur ,
@Norgur@fedia.io avatar

Do I look like an Iranian maniac?
(for the uninitiated: https://www.youtube.com/user/msadaghd)

Confused_Emus ,

That man is insane in a most delightful way.

Norgur ,
@Norgur@fedia.io avatar

Everybody said that soldering 5v stuff onto mains voltage could not be a wholesome experience. Apparently, they didn't tell Mehdi because he just went out and made it one.

Moose ,
@Moose@moose.best avatar

Fun fact, even if you try to hold a breaker in the ‘on’ position, it would still trip the exact same way. Pretty smart design (to stop pretty dumb people killing themselves or others).

pivot_root ,

Don’t forget the mandatory fuse included in the UK plug.

NightAuthor ,

Can you demonstrate how that works?

pivot_root ,

I could, but it wouldn’t do much of anything unless a path through my body had considerably less resistance than the water between the conductors in the duck.

NightAuthor ,

Ok, so don’t resist

SkyezOpen ,

He’s got a gun!

MeanEYE ,
@MeanEYE@lemmy.world avatar

Even without that it wouldn’t kill.

Rooskie91 , to memes in A few drinks in, and I immediately start talking about the inevitable collapse of humanity in the hands of capitalism.

Strengthen governments? Corporations have been specifically sowing distrust in government so that they can convince voters to weaken regulations and vote against their own interests. How are corporations strengthening governments when they benefit from weak government?

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Corporations benefit from Capitalist governments. Larger Capitalists benefit when it is more difficult to compete, such as with strong IP laws or high startup costs, giving them free reign for monopoly.

They also love large militaries, as the MIC makes a ton of money off the suffering of people worldwide.

CableMonster ,

Regulations help to protect large corporations from competition, and then the larger the government is the more contracts it gives out. Are you saying we need a bigger stronger government?

grte ,

Regulations help protect people from corporations. This libertarian take is total nonsense. What makes competition difficult for new entrants is the overwhelming size of modern day multinational corporations and the capital investment required to wage any sort of real competition which is something that is only going to be fronted by other extremely wealthy interests. So, yes, we do need bigger, stronger governments in relation to those very powerful corporations, specifically strong enough to break them up. Or ideally nationalize them entirely.

CableMonster ,

That is kind of true but it also protects corporations from small businesses. For example min wage harms small businesses much more than large corporations. You can like the “protection” but then you will get what you get with corporations and costs. If you opt for the bigger government then you will get things like unaffordable houses and inflation, so dont complain when you get what you asked for.

grte , (edited )

news.berkeley.edu/…/even-in-small-businesses-mini…

In fact, minimum wage earners tend to put a greater portion of their earnings back into the local economy vs. savings and increases help or at least don’t impact particularly negatively small business. Neoclassical economics is a joke.

CableMonster ,

It was a populous example and if you want to get into the weeds on it we could, but it wasnt the important part of the comment.

I love how you guys claim that sort of economics is dumb as you cant afford a house and to feed yourselves. Modern monetary policy is working great!!

grte , (edited )

Our current economic situation is the product of decades of regulation cutting supply side (aka neoclassical) economics championed by the likes of Thatcher and Reagan, which still dominates today. You know where housing is not unaffordable? Vienna, Austria. A place where better than half the residents live in social housing. The product of a strong government and regulation.

CableMonster ,

So your theory is that housing is so expensive because of less regulation? And if we had more regulations in how houses are built housing would be cheaper?

grte ,

Yes, of course. Banning short term rentals for example is a regulation that would put downward pressure on housing prices. Banning investment companies such as Blackrock, Blackstone, etc from purchasing single family homes, duplexes, 4-plexes and the like would do the same. Whereas the lack of regulation around these things has contributed to home price inflation. The idea that people are unable to afford homes because there is too much regulation holds water like a sieve.

CableMonster ,

That is hillarious, I can tell you dont know anything about how housing built. Have a great day!

grte ,

Yeah, all that housing in Vienna appeared from nowhere.

But sure, you have a great day as well.

papalonian ,

It’s really frustrating that you read the comment outlining the kind of regulation that would help, yet you somehow think the only kind of regulation possible is “make houses harder and more expensive to build” and dip out of the conversation with a “wow ur dumb lol”. It’s almost as if you’ve been arguing in bad faith and have no information to back up any of your takes.

CableMonster ,

I understand your frustration but what am I supposed to say to someone that just repeats and believes ANY propaganda that their side tells them? What he said is so so far off from what reality is, its literally turned into a cult at this point.

papalonian ,

Wait, so this entire conversation you didn’t make a single, tangible point or statement, just sarcastically asked questions doubting the possibility of their being another opinion besides your own, and when they answer all of these questions with sources and examples you run away because they’re the ones repeating what their side tells them…? And accuse them of being in the cult…

Can’t make this up folks.

CableMonster ,

From the moment he said we need more regulation to make housing cheaper I knew he was just an NPC. Can you convince NPCs of anything?

papalonian ,

Can you convince NPCs of anything?

He certainly tried with you, and demonstrated that you cannot.

CableMonster ,

ZING!!! The difference is that I know exactly why all the thing that are listed is mere propaganda, I have heard and seen the same bullshit talking points over and over. If you guys want to just do what your team says, that fine, just dont think you are are actually thinking for yourself.

papalonian , (edited )

The difference is that I know exactly why all the thing that are listed is mere propaganda

Think about this outside the context of this conversation. Do you understand how this is cyclical thinking? “I don’t have to look at the other side’s sources or perspective because I already know they’re wrong and I’m right.” This is the EXACT logic you used with your statement of, “can you convince an NPC of anything?” No, when they think like you, you absolutely cannot, because as you’ve just stated, you are not receptive to actual discussion, you think you know everything there is to know about both sides of the debate, and you’re not willing to engage in anything that you don’t already agree with.

You are so blatantly displaying all of the one sided brainwashed traits you think you’re so far above, in the same comments you accuse others of being one sided in. God help us.

Edit: also lol at the “if you just want to do what your side says then fine”. My guy showed examples of the regulations he’s talking about actually working and said, “here’s some sources of this working, we could do something similar”. Assumedly without reading anything, you blindly said it wouldn’t work and hur dur ur dumb lol. Which person is just doing what their side says again? Yeesh.

CableMonster ,

One big thing you are missing is that I think the other side you are talking about is wrong also.

I dont have a side here, I literally do housing, and I fully understand every aspect of why its expensive. I dont care about narratives, I care about actual facts about why housing is not getting built. You guys are just repeating propaganda that falls apart under the most basic scrutiny. The problem is that if you are not able or willing to do that scrutiny then I am not going to help you, you have made your decision.

papalonian ,

If I’m understanding you correctly, when you say you do housing, you mean that you work on the construction side of things, either literally physically building homes or working with companies that do so.

How does this directly relate to, say, regulation on how many vacant homes a rental company can own? Or regulation on zoning / type of housing able to be built in certain areas?

“Housing not getting built” is not the only issue that needs to be addressed, and seeing as it’s the only issue you’ve given any insight on, it’s hard to believe that you, a single person in a country full of people trying to figure it out, “fully understand every aspect of why it’s expensive.” It doesn’t matter to the average homebuyer how much a house costs to build, if the company that paid to have it built is selling it for 3x that price, or they’re only renting, or they just want to let the house sit to drive supply lower.

There are reasons that houses are expensive to build, and there’s reason that houses are expensive to buy. There’s obviously a lot of overlap but they are not the same lists. There is regulation that exists that can mitigate the latter without exacerbating the former. You are simply refusing to look at examples.

CableMonster ,

I will give you the long and short of it; you guys are looking at the insignificant things that account for just a small amount of the problem (cue you googling and finding an alarmist article), the big problem is that its too expensive and hard to build. The reason it is too hard to build is 99% due to what the government does. More regulations will just make it worse.

captainlezbian ,

Ok but without regulation you get poverty wages, 12 hour shifts, 6 day work weeks, and food with no nutrition unless you think lead is a vital mineral.

CableMonster ,

This is not 1812 anymore. If it were like that why wouldnt you just work for yourself or an employer that treats you well?

DragonTypeWyvern ,

Lmao

Just among so many other things, like the lead poisoned baby food from March this year, you clown, the FDA was established in 1906, and Republicans are, right now, trying to abolish child labor laws and hiring 12 year olds in meat packing plants.

CableMonster ,

Sure thing bro!

John_McMurray ,

People who say stuff like this have never tried. You’ll never hear a person who actually starts a business say anything of the sort. Usually insane tax rates is their gripe.

Rhynoplaz ,

A strong government could take down corporations, but it has to want to do it first.

Telodzrum ,

They’re not weaker they’re captured. It’s a concept called inverted totalitarianism and it’s terrible.

yogthos ,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

The government represents the interests of the class that holds power in society, which is the capital owning class under capitalism.

John_McMurray ,

yeah, the corporations have been doing that, not the shitty behavior of the governments.

rwhitisissle ,

Controlled opposition.

iiGxC , to lemmyshitpost in New best friend for life!

The crispness of this photo for such an ancient screenshot is incredible

bassomitron ,

They upscaled and restored an internet artifact. A meme archivist.

9point6 ,

They’re doing HD remastered memes now?

VindictiveJudge ,
@VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world avatar

Can’t wait to get Charlie Bit My Finger on bluray.

Corkyskog ,

Now I desperately want to see it crushed into oblivion where you can almost count the pixels

agamemnonymous ,
@agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works avatar

What strikes me is, how old it is, how close the time stamp is to the precise anniversary of the original.

threelonmusketeers ,

Indeed, almost exactly 12 years to the hour (depending on timezone). I wonder if this was intentional on the part of OP?

MrJameGumb , to selfhosted in I have a IBM eServer xSeries 346, does anyone has experience with the ServeRaid-7k, to create a RAID array? Also, you can ask me anything about this 2005 beast!
@MrJameGumb@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t think you should be using it anymore if it’s getting hot enough to cook a pizza…

Krafting OP ,
@Krafting@lemmy.world avatar

cooked perfectly !

illi , to aww in He found a new friend!

Can’t get up until it moves, that’s the rules

Beaver ,
@Beaver@lemmy.ca avatar

they*

Sotuanduso ,

Can’t get up until it moves, that’s they rules

Beaver ,
@Beaver@lemmy.ca avatar

The doe is a being not an object.

Sotuanduso ,

They doe is a being not an object.

WeLoveCastingSpellz ,

in the english language the pronouns it/its are used either for animals or inanimate objects

joshoff ,

he/him/his here

but it/it/its in bed 💅

WeLoveCastingSpellz ,

so true

Daxtron2 ,

Beings are also an object :)

Beaver ,
@Beaver@lemmy.ca avatar

You wouldn’t call people “it”. It’s about showing respect.

Texas_Hangover ,

Fuck you! You’re an it!

Beaver ,
@Beaver@lemmy.ca avatar

Touch some grass buddy.

Texas_Hangover ,

Shutup, it.

Nythos , (edited )

The person getting upset at another person calling a doe an it, telling another to touch grass is just peak internet.

MashBoilPitch ,

Ikr. I think were now supposed to say something about how this kind of interaction is so reddit. Loudly enough that we can ignore that it’s just how people behave in general.

nomous ,
  • on the internet.

Cause I promise if I talked like that in real life I’d get eye rolls and wouldn’t be invited out anymore. It’s a great example of “theory is fine but you need to interact with others.”

ManniSturgis ,

I wouldn’t, but I am calling animals it. Only in English tho, we don’t do that in my native language.

melpomenesclevage ,

I absolutely would.

UnearthedUnusual ,

I know a few people who use it/its pronouns. While I agree that treating animals with respect is a good thing, it pronouns are not necessarily a sign of disrespect or objectification.

Beaver ,
@Beaver@lemmy.ca avatar

Well in that case that is different but usually when we say “it” that is used to refer to physical objects like book or treat. Animals being seen as property harms them.

intensely_human ,

No, because people can be respectful of animals while using the word “it”.

You’re asserting all this extra stuff that the word does not convey, because you’ve unconsciously decided that is the only way to use the word.

But as others are telling you, and is true, it is common in English to use “it” for animals. Despite what your lit teacher told you, that does not create disrespect for the animals. People have been caring for animals, people with hearts, people who don’t treat animals the way they would a book, while using the word “it”, for as long as the English language had existed.

That thing where you can’t have empathy for an “it”, that a rule in your head.

Beaver ,
@Beaver@lemmy.ca avatar

People have been caring for animals, people with hearts, people who don’t treat animals the way they would a book, while using the word “it”, for as long as the English language had existed.

I doubt that when factory farms exist.

Humanity kills more than 80 billion land animals and trillions of aquatic animals ever year.

awellfedworld.org/factory-farms/

Sotuanduso ,

By that logic you don’t care for they either.

Daxtron2 ,

Respect is earned :)

Beaver ,
@Beaver@lemmy.ca avatar

No it is a given.

Daxtron2 ,

Give respect get respect, I don’t respect bigots and Nazis

intensely_human ,

But you would immediately jump in to correct another adult’s use of language, as if they were a child. Despite this talk of respect.

emptiestplace ,

As someone who has been vegan for 25 years, I really appreciate your choices and empathize with your motivations. If, however, your goal is to make a difference, you might want to avoid alienating your audience before you’ve even said anything.

Ookami38 ,

The doe has no concept of pronouns. I promise calling it “it” isn’t doing anything to hurt it.

DrRatso ,

Using “it” for an animal is perfectly reasonable. An argument can be made for using they instead but we even use it for humans occasionally (e.g. Jack checked on the baby, it was sleeping peacefully).

Harbinger01173430 ,

Animals use the article ‘it’.

PM_ME_SNEKS_IN_HATS , to greentext in Anon has prophetic visions

I can’t believe this is so old that the ‘not too distant dystopian future’ was 6 years ago. I remember when this was new and now I feel old.

InternetCitizen2 OP ,

Same. I think about this post from time to time.

Mastengwe , to insanepeoplefacebook in Omigod.

When pedophiles try and use logic, it’s ALWAYS going to be a bad faith comparison that illustrates themselves as the virtuous knight in shining armor to women with zero agency.

johannesvanderwhales ,

Right because a 33 year old being interested in teenagers is a great sign of how mature and stable they are.

Gabu ,

You haven’t seen many posts from the earlier days of Reddit, have you? I admire your innocence.

Catoblepas , to lemmyshitpost in Nobody gets to tell me what to do!

Well, it’s too late now, but if you ever see eye protection that says “NASA approved“ it’s definitely lying (NASA doesn’t certify commercial items) and probably not protective.

Sammy ,
@Sammy@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

“That’s just what they want you to believe. NASA? You mean Never A Straight Answer? You look at that damn sun like a Gaddamn American.”

jballs , to lemmyshitpost in Wow
@jballs@sh.itjust.works avatar

Even worse when you realize that movie scenes often have to be shot dozens of times.

KISSmyOSFeddit ,

“DO ONE MORE TAKE”

“Sir, I think the last one was good”

“Yeah, we’re definitely using it, I just wanna see another dog die!”

pulaskiwasright , to programmer_humor in New language

My favorite is “Java is slow” said by someone advocating for a language that’s at least 10 times slower.

humbletightband ,

Those who say such things are straight ignorant

pulaskiwasright ,

They’re basically fashion victims.

humbletightband ,

I wouldn’t say so. They are inexperienced. They don’t know where the bottleneck of most of the modern software is (it’s io in 80-90% of cases) and how to optimize software without rewriting it to C++

SorryQuick ,

How are they ignorant? It’s a known fact that java is slow, at least slower than some others. Sure, it’s still fast enough for 95% of use cases, but most code will run faster if written in, say, C. Will have 10x the amount of code and twice as many bugs though.

xor ,

the jvm brings enough bugs to outweigh any benefits there…
it is relatively fast, but it’s slow in that it takes up a bunch of resources that could be doing other things…

humbletightband ,

the jvm brings enough bugs to outweigh any benefits there…

Please name a few

xor ,

i decline your invite to debate the merits of java and jvm… i will instead walk my dog through this beautiful park here…

but, it’s all been said on top level comments on this post.
it’s trash, and honestly, even if it was perfect, sun microsystems has ruined any potential benefits.

humbletightband ,

Have a good walk at least

humbletightband ,

takes up a bunch of resources that could be doing other things…

You cannot get rid of garbage collectors, but you can always compile your java into binary to reduce the memory footprint.

xor ,

sea lion

kaffiene ,

Bullshit.

humbletightband , (edited )

Java is indeed slower than C, Rust, in some cases than Go.

But that doesn’t mean that

code will run faster if written in, say, C

Again, like 80-90% of production code are bounded by disk/network io operations. You will gain performance from using C in embedded systems and in heavy calculations (games, trading, simulations) only.

SorryQuick ,

Which is exaxtly what I said, that it’s fast enough for most use cases.

In theory though, you will “gain performance” by rewriting it (well) in C for literally anything. Even if it’s disk/io, the actual time spent in your code will be lower, while the time spent in kernel mode will be just as long.

For example, you are running a server which reads files and returns data based on said files. The act of reading the file won’t be much faster, but if written in C, your parsers and actual logic behind what to do with the file will be.

But it’s as you said, this actual tiny performance gain isn’t worth it over development/resource cost most of the time.

kaffiene ,

My favourite is “all the boilerplate” then they come up with go’s error checking where you repeat the same three lines after every function call so that 60% of your code is the same lines orlf error checking over and over

xtapa ,

When you handle all your errs the same way, I’d say you’re doing something wrong. You can build some pretty strong err trace wrapping errs. I also think it’s more readable than the average try catch block.

kaffiene ,

You still need to add error handling to every call to every function that might raise an error

pulaskiwasright ,

And god help you if you forget those 3 lines somewhere and you silently have database failures or something else.

kaffiene ,

Yeah, that’s the other thing - it does become easier to accidentally fail to deal with errors and the go adherents say they do all of that verbose BS to make error handling more robust. I actually like go, but there’s so much BS with ignoring the pain points in the language.

steeznson ,

Things like lombok make the boilerplate less of an issue in modern Java too

SatansMaggotyCumFart , to lemmyshitpost in It’s physically impossible, try it

Jesus Christ why are you posting Pissposts in a Shitpost community.

umbrella ,
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

ugh this app is becoming unusable

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

I used to comment here to get some of that sweet linux femboy bussy.

I still do, but I used to as well.

SaltyIceteaMaker ,
@SaltyIceteaMaker@iusearchlinux.fyi avatar

Thank you for your input uhh 🧐 SatansMagottyCumFart

umbrella ,
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

thats a noble goal, carry on noble gentlesir

Arthur_Leywin ,

So leave

nifty OP ,
@nifty@lemmy.world avatar

Why are you posting

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

Why?

nifty OP ,
@nifty@lemmy.world avatar
SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

You don’t have a nude version of that by chance do you?

It’s not for a friend, it’s for me.

nifty OP ,
@nifty@lemmy.world avatar

Sorry to disappoint but I am sure a gen AI model can help with that!

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

I’m attracted to Zoidberg not AI models.

umbrella , (edited )
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

some of them are uncensored

Thteven ,
@Thteven@lemmy.world avatar

It’s nearly impossible to shit your pants. Don’t believe me? Try it for yourself!

SaltyIceteaMaker ,
@SaltyIceteaMaker@iusearchlinux.fyi avatar

I just shit my pants with ease. You sound real dumb right now.

Quadhammer ,

I tried to shit my pants but couldn’t. Guess I’m a big fat dumbass

ReginaPhalange ,

Jesus Christ you are posting Shitpost in a Shitpost community, well done!

s_s ,

Who shit my pants?

some_guy , to programmer_humor in Dad has the chops to be a project manager.

My dad asked me if I could build a site for him. I tried, but ultimately didn’t have the chops (I can customize Wordpress, but this was supposed to be from scratch and I didn’t keep up when things like CSS came into being; old). I sent him to hire an outside party.

Here’s the thing: he wanted his menus vertical on the left side. I told him that’s not how it should be done; they should be at the top. But he was adamant. Later, he told me that his web consultant shop had also said the same. It’s the only time he ever said, “you were right,” about anything like in my entire life. Not that he was an asshole (though he really was when I was growing up). It’s just not something he said. And no one can take that from me. I even called my mom and told her.

milicent_bystandr ,

And now… Lots of websites with menus on the left!

Still, happy for you that your dad could humble himself to you. That’s really hard for some people, even when they’d like to, it’s like your brain just won’t compute how to say it without coming out wrong so you never say it.

HopFlop ,

Lots of websites with menus on the left!

Can you send an example? I’ve only seen these foldout side bar menus.

SpaceCowboy ,
@SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

I’m looking at a page right now that has some buttons for “Subscribe, Create a post, Block community” on the side. But I guess it’s on the right side and maybe since they’re buttons it doesn’t count as a menu.

KairuByte ,
@KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

To be fair, those are less a nav bar and more contextual content. You likely also have the main nav bar along the top.

Strykker ,

YouTube, google drive, Any readthedocs site with more than 1 page

Microw ,

Well, the youtube menu is most likely positioned there because they dont want people to use it.

pirrrrrrrr ,

Every site in the early 2000s had a left nav menu

Zagorath ,
@Zagorath@aussie.zone avatar

Wikipedia, especially the new design with the table of contents in the sidebar.

Png_Yakuza ,

Here’s some articles written about it as well from NN group if you’re interested

www.nngroup.com/articles/vertical-nav/

Here’s an article on user attention on website predominantly leaning left as well as a related topic

nngroup.com/…/horizontal-attention-leans-left/

a_wild_mimic_appears ,
ulterno ,
@ulterno@lemmy.kde.social avatar

I don’t get it.

We have only 1080px in vertical, part of which is also used for Taskbars, titlebars and toolbars in most cases. Then there is this trend of sites not using most of the horizontal space for main body text.
So, what reason do we have to not use the wasted side-space and instead congest the already low vertical space?

I would understand if it were a mobile-only site or if you were explicitly talking about the vertical version of it, but even for 4:3, I won’t consider a sidebar to be a bad idea, unless perhaps, it was German.

ShortFuse ,

Your dad is right. On desktop, navigation is on the left. On tablet, you shrink it to a rail. On mobile it should be a dismissible nav drawer.

The top menus, especially the flyover(on mouse hover), are bad for accessibility because they convert a non-committal action (hover) to a context changing one (focus). It’s a uniquely web-only invention and thankfully falling out of usage. (Unless you mean menubar/toolbar. Those are fine but extremely rare on Web.)

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