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Simon , (edited ) in How IT People See Each Other

Do a column for linux stans.

Simon ,

Okay I just went and did it. Hopefully this offends at least 1 person so this wasn’t a waste of time.

i.imgur.com/2wMQvQF.jpeg

bstix , in Good luck speed cameras

It’s a Renault Mégane 1. There’s not a whole lot of those around anymore so it’d be easy to identify the owner even without a license plate.

14th_cylon ,

identify - maybe, prove it at the court of law - somewhere between hard and impossible.

say you have found all these “not that many” cars, and now what? you would have (may slightly depend on the local law) prove who is the driver. that may be impossible, even if you have photo of the driver and photo of the suspected owner and you “think” they match.

the car also doesn’t have to be local, whatever your threshold for what local is is.

Conyak , in How IT People See Each Other

As someone who has been working in IT for 20+ years this is completely inaccurate except for the sys admin column.

MadMadBunny ,

Found the SysAdmin

Valmond , in How IT People See Each Other

Moar jpeg!

jetsetdorito ,

it’s an artifact is how many times it’s been reposted, like rings on a tree

Simon ,

I have extended the jpeg

Who wants to keep it going?

ChojinDSL , in How IT People See Each Other
@ChojinDSL@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

As a seasoned sysadmin, I approve.

samus12345 ,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar
Socsa , in How IT People See Each Other

Is “IT” a general term for tech workers in some places? I keep seeing people refer to it as such, but where I am, it is a term which primarily describes networking and infrastructure professionals.

ptz OP ,
@ptz@dubvee.org avatar

Yeah, it’s a generic term here that encompasses most tech jobs

Kopy ,

IT stands for Information Technology. Relevant Wikipedia link: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_technology

Socsa ,

Yes, that is consistent with my understanding - networking and infrastructure. Engineering and management is generally not considered IT where I am unless they are directly supporting networking and infrastructure. But someone writing code for a game or app wouldn’t be IT.

tweeks ,

The wiki link states software to be included in the definition. Management is not IT of course, but as there exists management in IT is used in the image I’d guess.

Socsa ,

Right, there is definitely a software side of IT, but not all software is IT adjacent. IT software is really a very small field these days, compared to software in general.

orbitz ,

Software devs and designers usually fall under IT is my understanding but I can see why many people/places would make the distinction. Especially for companies that only write software, their IT would more be the infrastructure, but if they’re only writing software for in house use that’s more on the IT side. I could be completely wrong about this too, just how I saw them grouped.

thirteene ,

Network engineering is kind of in the middle where you take the skill set of help desk and office management. This often leads to help desk and software development both falling under the organization in information technology. Application support also often falls under this category.

StopSpazzing ,
@StopSpazzing@lemmy.world avatar

Someone should make a ven diagram.

ursakhiin , in How IT People See Each Other

As a developer, the baby is how I see developers, too.

CosmicCleric , in How IT People See Each Other
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

I sense a theme, when it comes to the sysadmins.

DragonTypeWyvern ,

One might note they also have the highest average income

TheBat ,
@TheBat@lemmy.world avatar

Fuck no we don’t.

DragonTypeWyvern ,

How dare you accuse salary.com of lying to me?!?!?

fishpen0 ,

Averages are fun. It’s likely Opsy roles do have the highest average. But it’s also very true that devs have the highest ceilings. There’s just very few devs making 600+ and the majority at 120-150. Then there is an absolute shit load of opsys making 160-200. So in ops you hit the ceiling super fast while the occasional dev just keeps rocketing to bullshit pay but the averages are what they are

(Hiring manager for devops. I get the raw data through a corporate data broker)

naevaTheRat ,
@naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Having been a sysadmin you would be surprised at both the amount of times I had to explain why we couldn’t just put an unprotected endpoint outside the firewall and also how much alcohol I drank to cope with the former.

It is like being builder to architects that think you can have a second story just floating in midair. I am baffled by how ignorant of the basics of infrastructure many developers are.

Obviously I don’t expect a website dev to know the details of like iptables configs for load balancing with failover or whatever. Or even be terribly familiar with how to set up a production web server. I do expect people to know stuff like every computer on the internet is under constant attack from scripts. Or that taking advantage of peoples’ trust and leaking their data is bad actually.

af0da3rt ,

Daniel?

naevaTheRat , (edited )
@naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

What are the odds of that working? You think I’d leave myself open to a simple brute force collision attack?

Also all sysadmins share a hive mind.

psud ,

I guess the hive Mind saves on the booze. It’s after 5 in some sysadmin’s time zone

HootinNHollerin , in How IT People See Each Other

I feel like this one really deserves to be in there

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/462144ce-ca5d-48d1-a932-910dea62659b.jpeg

ptz OP ,
@ptz@dubvee.org avatar

LOL. I’m assuming that would be how everyone but the project managers see project managers?

nzeayn ,

this is how i see other sysadmins when they explain their 30yr old bash script that does everything.

twofont ,

Hey, that’s completely unfair!

It’s only 10 years old.

MadMadBunny ,

The one originally written in COBOL?

Zorsith ,
@Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Nah, that dude died and left a logic bomb to delete all his scripts. All that’s left is the weird imitation an intern cobbled together from observing the first dude.

mryessir ,

Should have been rewritten in perl for maintainability tbqh!!

Daxtron2 ,

How I see the DBAs

Lepsea ,

That’s just how everyone sees the client

MadMadBunny ,

That’s how HR sees everyone

Restaldt ,

The lone wolf dev who hasnt been seen for 3 months explaining how the new microservices he created all integrate together

capital ,

Bingo knows everyone’s name-o.

Simon ,

So I had finger dude twice when I made this, but I edited it in just for you

i.imgur.com/zQwuzXm.jpeg

RustyShackleford ,
@RustyShackleford@programming.dev avatar
Simon ,

You know, you can just google a term you don’t know instead of acting confused. Just saying.

RustyShackleford , (edited )
@RustyShackleford@programming.dev avatar

I don’t know what people mean with

Just saying.

How do you define “Linux Stan”? I know the music video “Stan”, by Enimem, but that’s it.

AngryCommieKender ,

That’s where the term comes from originally. The song Stan. Then in the mid '00s and '10s the K-Pop fans got so aggressive they started referring to them as “armies” and “Stans.”

A “Stan” is a super fan that is so obsessed that they’ll do irrational things if they feel that they or their obsession is being threatened.

Simon ,

God that is such a cunty thing to say.

RustyShackleford ,
@RustyShackleford@programming.dev avatar

What is?

tooclose104 , in How IT People See Each Other
@tooclose104@lemmy.ca avatar

Where’s my network admins at?

uid0gid0 ,

Comprehended under sysadmin because the attitude is the same just the devices are a bit different.

tooclose104 ,
@tooclose104@lemmy.ca avatar

I prefer that when done properly a network admin is simply forgotten about.

samus12345 , in How IT People See Each Other
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

I kinda want an “End Users” one, too (already know what their “Sysadmins” would be).

wandrey , in How IT People See Each Other

the illustration of the devs with 500 years of xp was missing hahaha

PhlubbaDubba , in Good luck speed cameras

I think this would get you charged depending on the locality, do not try at home kids

Kolanaki ,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

Image is European but I’m pretty sure here in California trying to obscure your plate is illegal. Though I’m not sure what actually counts against it, since I know a couple of people with those bullshit plastic films that claim to obscure your plate from traffic cams but not from people looking at it.

They don’t actually work, but I feel like the intent behind using them could get you in trouble.

Solemarc ,

I’d be more worried that this could count as some form of cybercrime.

Kolanaki ,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

I made a joke elsewhere about Amazon’s search thing using AI to generate a string that would crash the Amazon server and thought about that too afterward. If that actually worked, could someone be charged with a crime?

Solemarc , (edited )

Id guess maybe, if I generated a string using AI and intentionally crashed their stuff, it might be crime.

SeabassDan ,

I’m only using the tools provided, not accessing anything that’s clearly pointed out I shouldn’t. If anything, that question field is specifically designed for me to use.

CileTheSane ,
@CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

If I go to a hardware store and start taking a sledgehammer to the walls “I’m only using the tools provided” is not going to be a valid defense.

SeabassDan ,

Not a good comparison, the sledgehammer isn’t meant to be used in the store, the search function in the website is, don’t be dumb.

CileTheSane ,
@CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

Okay, the hardware store has a saw for customers to cut planks to the length they need. There are many ways they could “misuse the tool provided”

SeabassDan ,

That actually makes a lot more sense, I’ll accept that. Although there are signs saying not to misuse the tools provided. Don’t see any of that on Amazon. At least not yet.

StopSpazzing ,
@StopSpazzing@lemmy.world avatar

Knowingly doing something that could be malicious is still malicious.

SeabassDan ,

You’re right on that one. Just seems like they brought it upon themselves.

nintendiator ,

If that were true we’d see lots more charges on corporate stuff.

PriorityMotif ,
@PriorityMotif@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t see how. The premise of these cameras is that anybody is allowed to film in public. All you’re doing is showing something in public which is perfectly legal. It doesn’t damage the camera. If they decide to use the image from their camera to enter text into a database, then that’s on them if something bad happens. You have no control over what happens inside of their computer. It’s no different than someone blindly copy pasting commands into their Linux terminal and deleting system 32.

Solemarc ,

As far as I’m aware cybercrime is generally: “anything done maliciously involving a computer” intentionally sticking a drop table command over your plates because you’re expecting something to read your plate and input it into a db might count.

PriorityMotif ,
@PriorityMotif@lemmy.world avatar

No, because it is a widly known meme and would be considered free speech as satire. Since you did not access the system, there is no crime. If a person was manually entering license plates and entered it into a database, would it be your fault? No, you had no control over that person’s actions, and no reasonable person would mistake that as a licence plate. If a computer enters it on its own, then that is also not your fault, the programmer is responsible. You have no responsibility to know how a system handles its database inputs in order to avoid messing it up.

Solemarc ,

Sure, so you just get a fine for obstructing your license plate then.

PriorityMotif ,
@PriorityMotif@lemmy.world avatar

Some us states don’t require a front plate, or you could put it next to your rear plate or in the rear window.

space ,

I highly doubt cameras would be able to recognize this as a valid plate.

14th_cylon , (edited )

All you’re doing is showing something in public which is perfectly legal.

no, it is not, showing something in public is often not legal, it - as is often the case - depend on the context.

It doesn’t damage the camera.

it damages the database.

then that’s on them if something bad happens. You have no control over what happens inside of their computer.

no, that is on you, because you made that clearly intentionally malicious input. it is the same as if you had used the keyboard, the input method is really not important.

do you think that if you successfully hack a bank and steal some money you will get away with the defense of “all i did was send your computer some input, sending input to computers is perfectly legal and i really don’t have any control over what is going inside it”?

that is 5 year’s old idea of how law works.

meliaesc ,

There’s no requirement for front plates in my state.

space ,

Where I live, you only need valid plates to drive on public roads. If the car is parked or you drive on private property, there’s no problem. The procedure for getting plates requires you to not have plates for like 2 or 3 days.

Cars can still be identified by the VIN which is on the windshield.

Kolanaki ,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

Cars can still be identified by the VIN which is on the windshield.

You mean that tiny little plate of numbers you can only see by being up close to inspect? How does that help find, say, a suspect in a hit and run? You’re sure as hell not gonna be able to read the VIN off a moving vehicle unless you’re hanging onto the hood for dear life.

space ,

Did you even read my post? I said that you need plates to drive, but you don’t need plates if you are parked (or on private property). If a car is parked, you have plenty of time to read the VIN. Driving on public roads without plates is illegal and you risk jail time.

VeganCheesecake ,
@VeganCheesecake@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I’m pretty sure obscuring your plates is illegal in most places in Europe. How much anyone actually cares probably depends on specific locality.

Anticorp ,

Charging other people for your own incompetence has a special ring to it.

PhlubbaDubba ,

Not expecting someone to war drive a drop table query into an EZ pass database isn’t incompetence, n’or is not expecting any other vulnerability to be exploited unless you have specific training to look out for it.

Even master defensive coders won’t be able to write something that’s impenetrable, just difficult enough to break into that it isn’t worth it to 99.99999% of attackers.

Anticorp ,

Sanitizing your data is programming 101 when dealing with database entries

yamaonan , in How IT People See Each Other
jadedwench ,

Thank you! I squinted so hard. 😖

blanketswithsmallpox ,

Project Manager x QA = The TA… I thought it was astronauts floating around in space or some shit lol.

laurelraven , in How IT People See Each Other

As a sysadmin, the sysadmin parts are 100% true

mods_are_assholes ,

Not exactly, at least for me QA is my best friend, makes my job much easier.

laurelraven ,

Joking aside, I have a lot of respect for quality QA, and developers who actually listen to and work with their target audience and operations teams

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