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themeatbridge , in US House lawmaker receives death threats after voting against Jordan for speaker

“One thing I cannot stomach, or support is a bully,” she said. “I did not stand for bullies before I voted for Chairwoman Granger and when I voted for Speaker designee Jordan, and I will not bend to bullies now.”

“… I mean, I’ve supported bullies every single day of my life until today, when I was the person being bullied. And I will go back to supporting bullies tomorrow, because I have learned nothing from this experience.”

dyathinkhesaurus ,
BossDj ,

To be Republican, you must be completely incapable of empathy

ghostdoggtv ,

Their training videos on Fox News teach them how to turn it off. “Oh, I don’t know too much about that there” “oh, I’m no expert on that”

jballs ,
@jballs@sh.itjust.works avatar

I did not stand for bullies… when I voted for Speaker designee Jordan

Does she not know who Jordan is? Was she asleep during his attacks on our nation’s heroes during Trump’s first impeachment?

themeatbridge ,

She knows exactly who he is, she just doesn’t care because he never attacked her before. She’s a conservative, and like all conservatives, she does not perceive her own narcissism.

Asafum ,

Exactly. So damn many of them are all fine until it happens to them and then the selfish nature of your typical conservative kicks in and it’s suddenly something to be upset about.

themeatbridge ,

That’s really the defining characteristic of conservativism. There is no objective conservative idealism, only the defined self and its interests. Conservatives claim to favor low taxes and small government, but have no problem raising taxes on people who aren’t them or their donors, and will abuse government power to invade privacy or control economic influences to benefit themselves. Conservatives claim to be the party of “traditional morality” (which of course means whatever they happen to personally believe) but they will lie, cheat, fuck, steal, and kill as much as any other group, and will defend their members as long as they themselves are not victims of the transgressions.

I could write a book, but it boils down to egocentrism. If something benefits a conservative, it’s an important tradition, and if it does not benefit a conservative, then by golly we should get back to a time when it did.

Draedron ,

Hero is a bit much of a word for someone who joined an organization that attacks other countries all the time

jballs ,
@jballs@sh.itjust.works avatar

Regardless of what you believe about him being a purple heart veteran, at the end of the day he was one of the very few people that called out the President’s abuse of power and provided honest testimony that ultimately cost him his 20+ year career. That qualifies him as a hero in my book.

joeyv120 , in Americans failed to pay record $688 billion in taxes in 2021, IRS says. Look for more audits.

So they’re gonna focus on auditing rich people and corporations, right?

2Xtreme21 ,

lol, good one

Eheran ,

Hard to do when they get defunded etc.

Ep1cFac3pa1m ,
@Ep1cFac3pa1m@lemmy.world avatar

The agency said that it is taking “urgent” steps to increase compliance such as auditing more high-income taxpayers as well as businesses and partnerships.

Straight from the article

Rhaedas ,
@Rhaedas@kbin.social avatar

Which begs the question why this is a new thing, going after the bigger fish. I'll bet part of the answer is lawyers, i.e going after lower income is easier because they don't have ways to defend themselves. Or access to methods in hiding the money.

Ep1cFac3pa1m ,
@Ep1cFac3pa1m@lemmy.world avatar

I’m a little more cynical, so I’m guessing it’s because rich people and businesses have more influence of politicians, and politicians have influence over the IRS. I doubt it’s a coincidence that conservative media has targeted the IRS so aggressively over the past year or so.

Rhaedas ,
@Rhaedas@kbin.social avatar

I'm more cynical because I think that high up are safe. Somewhere in the middle, the millionaires and small business, are probably the new targets. The change could also be simply because the lower end that are easy to do also more and more can't even pay the fines, so it's dried up.

shalafi ,

It’s because the IRS has constantly had their funds cut, yet they still have to collect money. So, go after the big dogs and spend a load of money and get nothing? Or, go after the little guys who will shut up and just pay?

Hotspur ,

I’ve literally heard that they’re on record about this—they simply don’t have the resources to take on big fish and their extremely well-funded legal protection, so they default to low income and middle income audits. It’s a total joke.

girlfreddy ,

The IRS is hiring 30,000 people over the next 2 years so the previous staff shortages will be wiped out.

PugJesus ,
@PugJesus@kbin.social avatar

The IRS has been struggling with funding since the GOP took power in the House in 2010. They defunded the IRS, and for millions of sadly-voting idiots in the US, "Fund the IRS" sounds scawwy.

Bakkoda ,

Jimbo making 33k a year is very much against estate tax, millionaire tax and the big bad IRS coming for his capital gains.

rebul ,

Did the article define 'high-income taxpayer"?

Kbobabob ,

Yes

Ep1cFac3pa1m ,
@Ep1cFac3pa1m@lemmy.world avatar

Only if you read it, though 🤷‍♂️

ChronosWing ,

Yes, it’s always been people making 400k and up. This has been know since they hired more IRS agents and it’s the main reason Republicans had a shit fit about it.

Empricorn ,

I like them saying they’ll do it. I’ll like it even more if they actually do! There’s a reason they target lower income people without scummy lawyers on retainer: doing the right thing (and funding our government) is hard. We’ll be watching…

PieMePlenty , in Black student suspended over his hairstyle to be sent to an alternative education program

But I was told America is the land of the free. Have I been misinformed?

DrMango ,

You’re perfectly free to do things exactly as you’re told. Capiche?

CileTheSane ,
@CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

Land of the “free to tell you what to do.”

Trabic ,

Whoever told you that is your enemy.

Enkrod ,
@Enkrod@feddit.de avatar

The finger to the land of the chains

force ,

best reference i’ve ever witnessed

Asafum ,

It’s just the accent, it’s actually: “land of the fee, home of the brave racist.”

AngryCommieKender ,

Land of the fee, home of the slave.

skozzii ,

The entire US culture that the world sees is a lie. Anyone who lives or has visited is aware, but all these other people watch movies and think American is some magical land.

Nah, wealth is just built on slavery and opression.

Modern day slavery in jails and low wages tied to healthcare.

JusticeForPorygon ,
@JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

yes.

clifftiger ,

If you are already privileged you probably are experiencing freedom.

pascal ,

What does that mean?

WhiteHawk ,

Nothing, but at least it sounds deep

rifugee ,

If you’re a rich white Christian and a man AND good looking, then you can do pretty much whatever the fuck you want.

pascal ,

Not rich, not white (for America’s standards), not Christian, not good looking.

I think I’ll enjoy my life here in Europe.

rifugee ,

I’m planning on starting the emigration process within the next few years because it’s starting to become obvious that the US will never get its shit together. Too many selfish hypocrites holding things back. I understand that the grass isn’t always greener, but I’m confident that it will at least taste better with those sweet sweet European social services.

snekerpimp , in U.S. Senate unanimously passes formal dress code after uproar

Sure, cause the ex president with the most federal charges is in business attire and he is an upstanding citizen. Let’s focus on how people look instead of actual issues.

bstix ,

Even trump might be out of code, unless high heels are acceptable business attire for men.

PwnTra1n ,

It’s cross dressing and we know how regressors feel about that

bstix ,

I suppose they feel hypocritical about it.

newthrowaway20 ,

It’s only ever about appearances with the repubs. They want the appearance of propriety. If they start dressing like their lessers, then The lessers might realize they are equals.

GreenMario ,

It’s also why suits are so expensive. It’s not like the cloth that makes a suit is any different than the cloth used to make my Slayer T-shirt.

If all the poors started wearing suits they’d just invent something else and make it cost $1mil per outfit.

chiliedogg , in Donald Trump warns of threat of World War II, mixes up names of Joe Biden and Barack Obama in Washington speech

To be fair, last time this many Nazis were openly supporting a fascist lunatic we did get WWII.

AnUnusualRelic ,
@AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world avatar

And WWII was quite bad, nobody wants another WWII.

InputZero ,

History of the WWII part 2, JEWS IN SPACE!

havokdj ,

I know this is satire but I could hear some deep south racist fucker actually saying this

echodot ,

They control the world that’s why they keep getting killed all the time. That’s the evidence.

InputZero ,

Mel Brooks beat them to it. youtu.be/sz7JGCj4Q5k?si=RJe_JYjjMlKDW2Uj

echodot ,

That would be WWII II, not to be confused with WWMCXI

dangblingus ,

World War 2 2: Electric Two-galoo

Potatos_are_not_friends , in Martial arts instructor sentenced to prison for recording children in changing rooms

Hold on.

50 years for recording kids?

But you got actual child rapists who happen to be religious or politicians… who get like 5-10 years?

What is the difference here?

collegefurtrader ,

You didn’t even read the posted summary.

Potatos_are_not_friends ,

I did read it.

He took videos.

Tell me what I missed.

collegefurtrader ,

Hundreds of thousands of child porn images stored on his computer.

nutandcross ,

So then why does a priest who penetrates and comes inside of children’s rectums, using blood as lube, day in, day out only get 2-5 years in the same state?

denvertriallawyers.com/list-of-colorado-catholic-…

People like you help the problem survive because you can’t stomach crime and try to smooth it over from afar but you probably haven’t been alive for 50 years and have no idea what you’re talking about. You’re too afraid of problems to actually solve them and wait for the pedo to fuck your kid, toss him in jail after he’s finished, pay thousands to preserve his life, and dust your hands and say “job well done!”

How would you feel if your rapist buggered you and got less a year, you see him at the store after he’s released, walking about? Would 45 years be too few as well? Isn’t death merciful by comparison?

I’m sick of bad faith operators who have never actually dealt with crime and punishment. They think they’re so strong using words of power, but they keep the monster alive, under they’re bed, and never solve the problem; they’ve never even fought for good in their life!

collegefurtrader ,

People like who?

Potatos_are_not_friends ,

You didn’t even read the post summary.

collegefurtrader ,

What?

laylawashere44 ,

Hundreds of thousands of photos and videos of child pornography is why he got 50 years.

Potatos_are_not_friends ,

So to repeat back: religious person molest kids for years, with both physical and mental them… will get a few years of prison?

FinalRemix ,

Religion. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Lepsea ,

God died for his sin that’s why he got less jail time

afraid_of_zombies ,

Videos are there. You can point to it and say “here”. Victim memories are often multiple years of not decades ago. It sucks, it really does but physical tangible evidence is very hard to argue against vs someone 30 years old talking about what happened when they were 11.

Besides, the church has the resources unlike this guy.

lightnsfw ,

Don’t worry junkie child molesters get out in 5-10 years too. At least that one isn’t based on class.

Poggervania ,
@Poggervania@kbin.social avatar

I guess it’s because it could be he was distributing them? Sort of like how somebody a ton of drugs gets more than taking them.

Personally, it doesn’t make sense to me either. Anybody who sexually abuses and/or records kids in lewd situations should get the death sentence.

Mdotaut801 ,

No. How do you say they should get the death sentence? How can you be sure you have the right person and that they’re truly guilty? You could potentially frame someone with abusive material. Too risky giving the death sentence in this situation, and actually most situations. I don’t agree with the death penalty anyway. Let them suffer in a cell for life.

query ,

Presumably the number of victims.

charles , in Family of man killed by police responding to wrong house in New Mexico files lawsuit

Gun owners: if police can murder you for having a gun, you don’t have the right to have a gun.

Kbobabob ,

They just needed a few good guys with guns walking down the street at the same time to help out.

seathru ,

What can’t police murder you for?

LordXenu , (edited )

Being white and male.

Edit: just want to add an /s I dropped.

meco03211 ,

Daniel Shaver would like a word.

TruTollTroll ,
@TruTollTroll@lemmy.world avatar

And white terrorist errr I mean kid, Kyle Rittenhouse…

LordXenu ,

You are completely right on that one. I had totally forgotten that incident.

As a rebuttal, I really should have put a /s for sarcasm. My comment was based on the disproportionate amount of these incidents happening to minorities and people of color.

seathru ,

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Daniel_Shaver

I wouldn’t bet my life on that.

Neon ,

you’ll lose it anyways, so you might as well

NotBillMurray ,

I mean, evidence shows they’ll shoot you whether you’re armed or not, might as well be able to shoot back.

usualsuspect191 ,

The irony here is that the gun put him in danger instead of adding protection

uis ,
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

Tell it to Russian protesters. Before they were drafted. Or poisoned. Or imprisoned. Or being shot on bridge near Kremlin. Or poisoned and then imprisoned. Or not protester, but 20-years old programmer who was beaten to death for jogging. Or woman who got force abortion by her stomach being kicked with reinforced boot.

ChicoSuave ,

Tell them what? Be specific so there is no misunderstanding.

uis ,
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

That if they had guns they would be in more danger

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

They don’t even care about gun rights if you’re white and a Democrat. Look at how the NRA is not even saying a peep about Hunter Biden’s gun charge.

drdabbles , in Senator Tuberville: No truce over military blockade on abortion
@drdabbles@lemmy.world avatar

He will NOT be appointing officials for an organization that kills people until the government stops allowing abortions. Just let the logic sink in for a while. The guy’s a POS, and nobody should be surprised that a single issue candidate is only interested in a single issue.

IHeartBadCode ,
@IHeartBadCode@kbin.social avatar

Not to mention that because of the standing rules of the Senate, all you have to do is send an email saying you’re filibustering and any one person can bring to halt something all the other 99 Senators just want to move on to the next topic.

Literally this guy stands alone on this and the brain dead rules allow him and him alone to bring it all to a halt.

flipht ,

And the rules won't change because most of the Senate loves that someone else can halt things, take the heat, and then they won't have to deal with unpopular decisions.

Not in this case, but they're literally willing to force the military fuck over career professionals so that they can keep their cushy plausible deniability.

drdabbles ,
@drdabbles@lemmy.world avatar

So many self-serving rules. And honestly, if we held any of them accountable to their campaign promises we might actually have a functioning congress. But here we are.

Earthwormjim91 ,

Well no, they could hold a cloture vote any time on every nominee. They need 67 senators to vote to end the filibuster.

They haven’t forced cloture because enough republicans support him in the background and wouldn’t vote for it.

Dark_Arc ,
@Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg avatar

They could also change the rules with a simple majority and do what needs done, but that’s going to be a last resort desperate measure.

lolcatnip ,

It funny/sad that allowing the Senate to function in the absence of a supermajority is seen as a desperate measure. Too me it seems like the only reasonable thing to do.

Dark_Arc ,
@Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg avatar

I agree, everything doesn’t need to be done by a super majority

fsr1967 ,

This is the real problem, and it’s infuriating. Not only because of the way it stops the Senate from doing so many things, but because so many people now believe it’s how the filibuster had always worked. And so people hate it.

But, in fact, the filibuster, in its original form, is a powerful tool the minority can use to make its voice heard and perhaps even effect change. It needs to come back - make Tuberville stand up and talk for hours on end for each of these appointees he opposes. Make McTurtle totter to center stage and wheeze for as long as he can the next time he wants to block a Democrat President’s Supreme Court Judge.

I’ll bring the popcorn.

ChuckLopez , in Russia covers nuclear bombers with tyres

As much as I’d like to laugh as any Russian military stupidity, the aircraft in the picture doesn’t appear to have propellers attached, so it’s likely in some form of maintenance. Without the weight of engines and props, any strong wind over the wings is likely to move the plane around quite a lot. Putting tires on the wings disrupts the lift and helps keep the plane from moving around in storms.

HuddaBudda ,
@HuddaBudda@kbin.social avatar

That feels like a better explanation then the other theory that they are used for some form of anti-drone tech.

Would the tires do anything to protect them other than blunt the damage? Ignoring the fact that each tire conveniently has a bomb sized hole in each section?

I would imagine shrapnel would have an easier time going through a tire then through the exterior of the plane. And those bombs already do that.

m0darn ,

Tires are very tough. Aircraft skin is very thin. I think tires would help reduce damage from shrapnel, but agree that weight and airfoil disruption is also a very plausible expansion.

bitsplease ,

Yeah I don’t see how this would provide any additional benefit, even if tires were literally the only thing you had to work with

synae , in Oklahoma State Dept. of Education announces partnership with PragerU
@synae@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Well this is terrible news

WhatAmLemmy ,

Religion has taught us you gotta indoctrinate the kids to grow the cult.

The nazi’s started the hitler youth org the 1920’s to perform the same function.

SSX ,
@SSX@lemmy.world avatar

Though not surprising.

Oklahoma is the only state in America without any blue counties. In the 2020 election, every county was red for every single race. The state sucks and I feel bad for the blue voters in it.

KaiReeve , in Donald Trump vows to lock up political enemies if he returns to White House

His entire campaign in 2016 was ‘locking up’ Hillary. If he wasn’t able to accomplish that in 4 years, what makes him think he can follow through with this promise now that he has numerous enemies on both sides of the aisle?

Nothing short of a full-blown Shutzstaffel will fulfill even a fraction of his current campaign promises.

MammyWhammy ,

Playing devil’s advocate, the Trump team didn’t expect to win and quite frankly had no clue how to pull the levers of power for a large portion of his presidency. If, God forbid, he is reelected that will not be the case. They will know how to play the system much more effectively than they did last time.

atticus88th ,

If that happens then my grandchildren will be living in nearly the identical series events my grandmother escaped from.

We have learned nothing from our past mistakes.

masterofn001 ,

The Nazis have learned.

n0m4n ,

They learned some of what didn’t work. That does not translate to being able to any better ability to lead a nation. Authoritarians always fail on the fatal flaw of believing their own BS, and sycophants reaffirming that delusion. Kings, Popes, Hitler, Putin, Dear Leader, and now Xi all were inflicted with that delusion.

CosmicCleric ,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar
Djinger ,

Furthermore, they’ve been bleating about the left doing exactly what he’s saying despite it not being the case, so his followers and acolyte will 100% back him when he does it for real. Another Big Lie

hitmyspot ,

Haven’t most abandoned him and bad mouthed him. It will be new incompetents and deplorables. Some will be the same, but they are the background people.

I wonder if seeing the problems some allies now have seeking alternative employment or opportunities will give them pause. Then I remember they are not great critical thinkers.

The more moderate Republicans stayed away and rightly so. I don’t think they will be tempted to rejoin. Luckily, he’s got much less chance. His base is shrinking, albeit at a much slower rate than it should. People are more aware of what a terrible person and president he will be. Those paying attentiyalready knew.

some_guy ,

He’s never believed that he’d be able to lock up anyone other than PoC and migrants. His base bought into it. I don’t thing this promise is going to hold nearly the same support as last time. Sure, they’ll still love him to death and try to elect him but I don’t expect that they’ll be so sure that he’ll make this happen. But it’s a re-run and americans are famous for watching garbage television, so who knows.

BackOnMyBS , in Nebraska governor signs order narrowly defining sex as that assigned at birth
@BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world avatar

I still don’t understand what business the government has defining sex. How is that in any way the government’s job?? If anything, it could be up to medical organizations, such as the AMA, if they had sound arguments. But, the government? I really try to at least understand everyone’s logic even if I don’t agree with them, but this is just so insane. I don’t get it.

cmbabul ,

That’s because there is no logic, the people that want the government to define sex have a purely emotional reaction to the very existence of trans people… and most things that don’t align with their narrow life experience and worldview

douglasg14b ,
@douglasg14b@lemmy.world avatar

There’s no logic?

Just because you’re ignorant of the difference between sex and gender are doesn’t mean there isn’t logic…

Sex is very important for the single biggest thing that affects all of our lives, healthcare. Standardizing it literally saves lives.

candybrie ,

Except the healthcare needs of trans gender people who have medically transitioned to any degree are often closer to their gender than their sex assigned at birth. The body chemistry differences between men and women are primarily affected by hormones. Unless you’re specifically looking at the organs that are different, you probably need to go by gender.

BackOnMyBS ,
@BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world avatar

Again, why is the government involved instead of a letting a leading medical body. Did physicians have a large protest over the lack of a legal definition that is forced outside of medical settings, and the government heard their concerns based on rational logic and ethical medical standards? Does the government define eye color, cancer, gingivitis, premature birth, high IQ, major depressive disorder, and how organizations outside of the medical system can use those terms?

ayaya ,
@ayaya@lemdro.id avatar

Not that I agree with what is happening but they are defining it in legal terms, which is absolutely their job. A simple example might be killing someone is just killing someone, and the government defines what is murder and what is manslaughter.

BackOnMyBS ,
@BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world avatar

I understand the point of defining a criminal act, but being a sex isn’t criminal. It’s being a human.

ayaya ,
@ayaya@lemdro.id avatar

Maybe that was a bad example to use, that is my bad. It was just the first thing I thought of. The government needs to define all sorts of things, not just criminal acts. You say it’s being human. They even define what a human is.. Laws have to be written in such a way as to include explicit definitons so they can be enforced without loopholes. (Or in some cases create loopholes like with the rich and taxes)

JustZ ,
@JustZ@lemmy.world avatar

Where you get your law degree?

ayaya ,
@ayaya@lemdro.id avatar

Are you implying it requires a law degree to understand that the government defines what terms mean for legal purposes? If you don’t understand that you have a lot more to worry about than my certifications.

JustZ ,
@JustZ@lemmy.world avatar

It’s sarcasm. Obviously you didn’t study law.

The fact that laws often define terms does not justify a law defining sex or gender. There’s nothing implicit to concepts of positive law or legislative authority that require legal definitions of gender.

There are so few occasions in law where it’s not a violation of equal protection to discriminate on the basis of gender that there really is almost zero need for law to define it.

Most of those rare occasions are related to reproduction, and even then there’s no inherent reason to define genders, the law could just refer to pregnancy or pregnant persons.

You would have learned all about this if you had studied law. I’m sure they must have these concepts where you’re from.

constitution.findlaw.com/…/annotation06.html

douglasg14b ,
@douglasg14b@lemmy.world avatar

ITT: Everyone conflating sex for gender…

It’s actually quite important. Your sex are what your chromosomes are, your gender is what you identify as.

Your sex doesn’t change, your gender does.

That’s literally the definition of it.

This is important especially for medical purposes, medication, surgery, emergency care…etc all has variations based on your sex, because different sexes are predisposed to different classes of problems and interactions. This also applies to REPORTING, reporting that a medication affects someone born female different than someone born male is an extremely important distinction.

Incorrect reporting literally costs lives.

It should to be standardized, just like everything else that has significant consequences on well being.

Politics are ruining what should be completed apolitical.

TheOctonaut ,

There’s like 8 comments in this topic my straw-chewing friend. You don’t need to copy and paste yours again as if trying to get every iota of value out of typing so much pointless tired Facebook wrap-around sunglasses rhetoric.

Tripeptide ,

Omg, I love you.

Kirkkh ,

Chromosomes don’t even determine sex. Biological essentialist already moved that goal post after the medical/biological community educated them on the complexity of chromosomes. Now they’re saying sex/gender (they can’t tell the difference) is determined by proportions of gamete cells. They’ll eventually have to settle on some new arbitrary metric once enough people realize not even gamete cell proportions satisfy that position.

30mag ,

What business does government have in defining marriage? Why are people taxed differently depending on their marital status? I don’t know.

expr ,

It’s because they want to incentivize long-term, stable relationships and households because doing so statistically leads to better outcomes for society. The barrier to entry for getting divorced is quite high, so in general people tend to stay together more often if they are married than if they are not.

That all being said, the system is far from perfect for sure. Incentivizing marriages also incentivizes people to stay in bad marriages, among other issues

30mag ,

Good answer.

PM_Your_Nudes_Please , in Police in Ohio fatally shot a pregnant shoplifting suspect

So they’re being charged with two counts of murder because conservatives have consistently ruled that fetuses are people, right? They killed an innocent person by killing the mother. Even if the mother was guilty, the baby was innocent.

Oh wait, they only want those rules to oppress women, not to oppress the oppressors.

luckyhunter ,

Why would they be charged at all? She was attempting to murder the cop.

PM_Your_Nudes_Please ,

It was a joke about how conservatives are anti-abortion to the point of charging miscarrying mothers with murder, while simultaneously being okay with cops killing a pregnant woman.

luckyhunter ,

Ah not big brained enough. You charge the dead mother with child endangerment! She’s the responsible party after all.

GFGJewbacca ,

This was also demonstrated when a decision came up saying a fetus couldn’t be claimed as a tax credit. Rules for thee, not for me.

ThatWeirdGuy1001 , in You’ve Heard of Quiet Quitting. Now Companies Are Quiet Cutting.
@ThatWeirdGuy1001@sh.itjust.works avatar

We need to abolish right to work laws. Or at least restructure them. I shouldn’t be able to be fired for literally any reason they can come up with. Even fast food jobs should have contracts with certain clauses to protect the workers. You sign it when you start and you can’t be let go until it expires or you break it.

MirthfulAlembic ,
@MirthfulAlembic@lemmy.world avatar

Not that I disagree with your premise, but that’s an “at will” law area, not “right to work” (can’t be forced to join a union/pay union dues in a unionized workplace).

To add, some argue at will is fair because it goes both ways, but it definitely doesn’t. If your employer fires you suddenly for no reason, there’s no real consequences. If you quit suddenly for no reason, you can get blackballed.

ThatWeirdGuy1001 ,
@ThatWeirdGuy1001@sh.itjust.works avatar

Yeah I knew it wasn’t the right wording I just couldn’t remember exactly what it was called.

But that’s exactly what I was bringing up. I’m supposed to work a 2 week notice but they can fire me instantly because I didn’t smile at the manager when walking into work.

QHC ,

If your employer fires you suddenly for no reason, there’s no real consequences.

Depends on the industry and location. If they do that a few times in relatively small industry, or in a captured but small market, word gets around and suddenly that company has difficulty hiring in the future.

MirthfulAlembic ,
@MirthfulAlembic@lemmy.world avatar

That’s true. I work in a somewhat “small” work world for my area of expertise, and word does get around about bad employers. People seem to have a short memory once they start offering higher salaries, even though they never keep those up with inflation. A few years later, and they’re working for a shit boss with average pay.

Velociraptor ,
@Velociraptor@lemmy.world avatar

I was fired earlier this year because they manufactured some drama after I needed a sudden comprehensive additional surgery when a planned one round something alarming that demanded specialist surgeons. I feel like we really should not be in a country where a company can decide to screw your life at time of firing and then screw you for future jobs by not providing anything truthful about your time there. I’m still struggling months later, including the general anxiety of knowing I could go bust my ass for someone and have them do this to me all over again. Fuck this predatory atmosphere we seem to just celebrate.

Drusas ,

And you're not entitled to FMLA until you've been somewhere for a year! Our society is so hostile to the average person.

Iteria ,
@Iteria@sh.itjust.works avatar

The question I have about people who are against at will is the flip side, which is being locked into a hellish job for some set period. I have had jobs that deteriorated my mental health. With at will I can just walk out the door whenever I want. Not so if both employer and employee are bound by some cool down counter clause.

Even without abuse there is opportunity cost to staying at your company. I’ve seen family members on the spot quit to care for people they cared about, but not people anyone would consider close enough to be covered by anything like FMLA, like your best friend’s child. I quit jobs that interfered with my college education.

It sucks to be let go, but I don’t think people consider if it might make more suffering yo be forced to stay. I can’t see a situation where companies have to give notice, but employees don’t. Sure I guess employees can sabotage their workplaces to be sent home with pay, but what a fantastic way to catch a charge and screw yourself over forever.

It’s food for thought.

ThatWeirdGuy1001 , (edited )
@ThatWeirdGuy1001@sh.itjust.works avatar

That’s why I brought up a restructuring. The ability to quit whenever should always be an option but being fired without notice for anything that isn’t just gross incompetence/negligence should not. I should be able to quit because my manager pissed me off. I shouldn’t get fired because I pissed the manager off.

Iteria ,
@Iteria@sh.itjust.works avatar

It’s not that I disagree, it’s just that I can never see a scenario where both sides don’t have the same power. If you can quit at any time, then rhe employer can fire at any time. If you the employer has you give notice, so do you. I’ve never hear any stories online in different countries of the notice period not being both ways. And despite what one dude said to me sometimes weeks long, not a week. That would be actual hell.

ThatWeirdGuy1001 ,
@ThatWeirdGuy1001@sh.itjust.works avatar

The difference is the employer has inherent power by being a money providing service as well as providing whatever other service/product they provide.

When you employ that many people the power naturally rises to the top. That’s why we need legislature to prevent that massive gap in power. Of course no one at the top will support this but the needs of the many outweigh the few regardless of how much money they have.

Remember corporate bailouts? “wE bAiLeD tHeM oUt BeCaUsE tHeY pRoViDe JoBs!!!”

Then there were mass layoffs.

Damage ,

The “cool down” period in many cases is just a few days when it’s the employee resigning. If your job sucks so much that you can’t stomach being at it for another week, you’ve got other problems.

Iteria ,
@Iteria@sh.itjust.works avatar

That’s kind of my point? That some workplaces are toxic or you otherwise need to abandon your job because of external reasons. Maybe it’s just because I’m older (mid-30s), but I don’t know a single person who hasn’t run into a fuck this job moment for whatever reason. Either because it was deteriorating their mental health, or they prioritized their personal life. My life fell into a coma and I literally got on a plane thr moment I knew. I told my boss I wouldn’t be in and he could fire me or not, I don’t care. My brother had no one in that moment. I was lucky my bosses allowed me to keep my job while I acted as his advocate to get him care until the rest of my family could get there, but what if I wasn’t allowed because of some BS notice contract? Which at will I can just quit fuck it. With no at-will there would definitely be some punishment. This scenario may not overcome the good of getting ride of at will, but I think people should consider it. Consider what it would be like to trapped in a place you hate with a hostile work environment.

Damage ,

Lol we’ve got protections for all those cases which mean that you don’t have to lose your job because of temporary issues. Also if the circumstances at your workplace are serious enough you can resign with just cause without any notice period.

What’s more, if you have left over PTO, when terminating your contract there are two options: either the your employer pays you for the PTO you haven’t used, or you use it. In my case for example I have enough PTO saved to cover the notice period.

I don’t know about the rest of the EU, but in my country the employee can ALWAYS walk out, they just lose the pay for the non-worked days.

dreadgoat ,
@dreadgoat@kbin.social avatar

In practice, employment contracts are always good for employees and usually bad for employers. You don't want to be locked into a job? Then don't sign a contract that locks you in. Just refuse, as just about any sane person would.

Employers WOULD refuse to be locked in, except sane governments force them to. Sane governments do not force regular citizens into indentured servitude.

Kiernian ,

Are you saying that in countries where employers can’t just make up reasons to divest themselves of employees without repercussion or paying unemployment that the employees themselves are somehow bound to their employer and can’t just walk out?

Unless you’re under some contract, I don’t see how that would be enforced other than having laws on the books in individual countries about a minimum required notice.

Even if a country DOES have laws on the books stating all employees in all full time jobs must provide x weeks of notice before quitting, if the same country has a bunch more clauses to protect employees from employers than the U.S. currently does I have to imagine there are protections in place for the employees in cases of hostile work environments or whatever.

I can’t see a situation where a country that protects employees from the sort of hostile, predatory, dehumanizing behavior we see carried out consistently by U.S. companies wouldn’t have continued to take said employees into account while also protecting their country’s employers from things like large scale business-wide walkouts or whatnot.

Iteria ,
@Iteria@sh.itjust.works avatar

I obviously don’t know for sure, but I do see stories from people from those nations talking about how they have to say for whatever amount of time for a notice period. This is the thing where I have questions about abuse. I’m not saying at will is great, but I also don’t think it’s 100% awful and I think people should consider what it would be like to not be able to leave a job when you want to.

TheLowestStone ,
@TheLowestStone@lemmy.world avatar

At least in the states that I’ve worked in (NY anf CA) if you’re terminated without documentation proving cause, you qualify for unemployment benefits.

ThatWeirdGuy1001 ,
@ThatWeirdGuy1001@sh.itjust.works avatar

It’s the same in my state but unemployment is only a fraction of what you made hourly

TheLowestStone ,
@TheLowestStone@lemmy.world avatar

Yes, but the point is this costs the company money. It’s not a great system but I’ve been in management for 20 years and I’ve never worked for a company that would allow me to fire without cause due to that.

Foggyfroggy ,

Why do you hate capitalism?! /s But seriously, I agree. Government regulation is the only thing that can force a corporation to do something that hurts profits like respecting workers’ rights.

Ace0fBlades , in Women working in Antarctica say they were left to fend for themselves against sexual harassers

Makes you wonder what challenges women will face in future space exploration missions. Long periods of isolation with groups of coworkers with very little personal space. Not like a belligerent party can be ejected out the airlock (It’'ll probably happen who am I kidding)

theodewere ,
@theodewere@kbin.social avatar

there's no doubt that sexual predation would be a big issue and that women would be the first victims of any violence, but it's just part of the greater concern over authority in such a small society.. who is in charge, how are rules enforced and misbehavior punished.. i'm not optimistic that a Mars outpost would be able to survive its own judicial system, for example.. or any of the prepper compounds.. they're sort of all guaranteed to descend into really barbaric circumstances socially..

KevonLooney ,

or any of the prepper compounds

You wouldn’t want to be stuck for a long time in a society made up exclusively of people with severe anxiety and personal issues who reject society? I can’t imagine why.

theodewere ,
@theodewere@kbin.social avatar

i'm pretty sure they're all guaranteed nightmare scenarios.. i think people build them just for the drama.. so they're all drama queens on top of it..

AngryCommieKender ,

Not any violence. Men are the vast majority of murder and assault victims in the West, I don’t have data for undeveloped countries. Makes sense when you realize we all had “you never hit a woman” beaten into us. Even criminals would rather harm a man than a woman.

Touching_Grass ,

What gender is committing all those assaults though

AngryCommieKender ,

According to the DOJ it’s pretty evenly split with a slight majority of men being the perpetrators

IverCoder ,

Not like a belligerent party can be ejected out the airlock

a m o g u s

rambaroo , (edited )

Future missions should be all-women teams. Problem solved.

Women eat less, use less oxygen, and weigh less than men. There’s actually no logical reason to send male astronauts anywhere.

Edit: lol @ the downvotes with zero responses

Rand0mA ,

But are you including or excluding trans on that??

Mwahahahaah

lolcatnip ,

Oh my God you’re so clever!

Rand0mA ,

Lighten up! I’m just taking the piss. Everyone’s lost their sense of humour for fear of being angry mobbed.

lolcatnip ,

Ah yes, Schrodinger’s douchebag.

Rand0mA ,

Ah yes, clever dick mcfucknugget. Get over yourself you fanny

Honytawk ,

So not just Schrodinger’s douchebag, but a regular douchebag as well.

Rand0mA ,

Uff. Mama the bigger boys are picking on me

Alexstarfire ,

Bold move Cotton

Syrc ,

Sure, weight is definitely a more important factor than idk, reaction ability in danger situations or physical resistance to unfriendly environments.

sorrowl ,

Yes, it is. On a long mission, even a few kg can have big differences in fuel consumption. Also the mean difference of reaction times between men and women is around 20-30ms, which is miniscule. Idk about the differences in resistance to space, but I highly doubt that men are significantly more resistant than women.

Syrc ,

I’m not saying men are better than women in those aspects. I’m saying a very limited amount of people, both men and women, have the physical and mental fortitude to withstand a space mission, and there is virtually never going to be a situation where two people have the exact same qualifications and weight has to be the “tiebreaker”. It’s pretty much a non-factor.

KSPAtlas ,
@KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz avatar

I would assume a manned mission would have larger tolerances due to the unpredictability of humans and to ensure their safety

cone_zombie ,

Why is 20-30ms “miniscule”, but “a few kgs” compared to the weight of a fucking spacecraft isn’t?

babeuh , (edited )

There are reasons to do that, women and men react differently to long-term microgravity.

I found this study about the differences (but it’s from 2014, please tell me if you find a more recent one) The Impact of Sex and Gender on Adaptation to Space: Executive Summary.

TL;DR female astronauts have, according to the study:

  • a higher risk of cancer (a 45-year-old man has a 344-day limit in space versus a 187-day limit for a 45-year-old woman)
  • more orthostatic intolerance
  • more UTIs (which makes sense as women on earth are also more likely to have UTIs)
  • less vision impairment compared to male astronauts (no clinically significant cases of VIIP syndrome)
  • less hearing problems (men show a more rapid decline in the left ear and in general as well, but this is the case on Earth too)

Keep in mind that this data is not the best because only around 20% of people that had been on the ISS at the time of the study were women and because male astronauts are more likely to come from a military background.

I personally think this means we should send an equal amount of both sexes (maybe more women as it would help get more data on the differences). Sending all-men or all-women missions sadly won’t fully solve the problem as sexual assault isn’t always between men and women, that said, it is less common so it’s not a bad idea.

Anyways, more investigation is required. If you find a newer/better study please tell me (or if something I wrote is inaccurate), I don’t want to spread misinformation

Gigan ,
@Gigan@lemmy.world avatar

Nah that’s misandrist bullshit. We’ve done plenty of all-male space missions and they had no issues.

AngryCommieKender ,

Just FYI that username may get you some hostility. It’s far too close to Ace of Bass which is a band from the 90s that were neo-nazis. The Base of Aces was a Nazi submarine base in WW2. I’m not assuming anything here, the lead singer and guitarist both confirmed separately that was what their band name was referring to, just before they lost all their fans.

Ace0fBlades , (edited )

Used this username for years; it’s a pun on the famous suit of playing cards the Ace of Spades. While I appreciate the warning, please go touch grass.

CorruptBuddha ,

Sorry I’m not sure if you’re aware of this, but grass is another word for weed, and historically antimarijuana propaganda was used to oppress blacks.

rbhfd ,

It’s much more likely to be a play on the much better known “Ace of Spades”?

I’m not completely ignorant on Nazi dog whistles, but this is not one I know.

ZC3rr0r ,

Yeah, that’s stretching it a little (probably based off the Cracked article from a while back). Ace of Base was named after Ace of Spades (a song by Motorhead) as a reference/homage, anything beyond that is purely speculation as the band have categorically denied it.

And yes, Ulf was indeed in a band that wrote some pretty heinous stuff but he has both repeatedly apologised for that, made clear he no longer believes in any of this, and made explicitly clear that Ace of Base never shared these ideas.

Sources for those wanting to read up on it: Original article in Vice: www.vice.com/en/…/ace-of-bases-secret-nazi-pastSpeculation laden clickbait Cracked article that spawned a bunch of unfounded and unconfirmed theories about the origins of the band’s name, meaning/readings of their lyrics, etc: cracked.com/…/how-90s-pop-band-secretly-sold-nazi…Follow-up in Huffington post: huffpost.com/…/ace-of-base-nazi-past-lyrics_n_314… and huffingtonpost.co.uk/…/ace-of-bases-ulf-ekberg-ad…

chakan2 ,
@chakan2@lemmy.world avatar

I have a feeling people picked for those types of missions will be vetted harder than “Hey, want to see some snow”

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