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jewbacca117 , in Elon Musk’s Twitter Takeover Is Now the Worst Buyout for Banks Since the Financial Crisis

Guess the saying is true, if you owe the bank $1000, that’s your problem. If you owe the bank $13 billion, its the bank’s problem.

ryan213 ,
@ryan213@lemmy.ca avatar

Hmm… How do I get them to lend me $13B??

bradorsomething ,

The key is to have $60 billion.

JustEnoughDucks ,
@JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl avatar

The key is to become famous and create hype around your gambling bet so other people artificially inflate the value so that you have a “theoretical” $60 billion.

jewbacca117 ,
  1. Be rich
  2. Don’t be poor
Samvega ,

Align with the value of international finance, e.g. think that the poor exist to be exploited for greater inequality.

Voroxpete ,

They already covered that with 1. And 2.

Samvega ,
  1. Be rich and get richer
  2. Don’t be poor and punish the poor for being poor
ICastFist ,
@ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

Shit, best I can do is be poor and punish other poors for being poor

Good_morning ,

Ah the local redneck business owner. I lucked into a niche where I can sit back and let some country boys work and print money for me. I’ll look down on everyone else in town from my swanky nouveau riche cowboy boots.

timewarp , in Elon Musk may have to sell billions in Tesla stock to rescue X
@timewarp@lemmy.world avatar

I have to give Musk credit. At least he help narrow my car buying decision to know at least one brand that I’ll never buy.

Atelopus-zeteki ,

Super Helpful!

Nollij ,

There are many reasons to avoid Tesla, regardless of Musk. The complete lack of independent repair was my deal breaker, but you’ll find your own. Their competition is looking pretty good these days, too.

tiredofsametab ,

He also removed an option for home battery storage solutions for me.

DesertCreosote ,

I was talking with a solar company about a solar install with battery storage last year, and they only offered the Powerwall as an option. I literally laughed at them and said there was no way I was tying an enormously expensive piece of home infrastructure to Tesla, because they couldn’t guarantee it’d keep working if Tesla decided to shift direction.

octopus_ink ,

I have rejected every one of the endless stream of door to door solar panel sellers primarily because not ONE would leave me substantial documentation of any kind to decide if I wanted to talk to them - the only thing they wanted was a full “consultation.” My view is that if you can’t give me something that illustrates genearlly what you are about to pitch to me, then you probably just want the chance to apply some shady sales tactics.

Were these door to door guys? Did you go with them? Do you have any opinions on the door to door guys? 🙂

DesertCreosote ,

No, this was part of a group buy program in my area, which was designed to reduce prices. I ended up turning them down because it was still more expensive than it seemed like it should be, and they were going with an older single inverter system instead of a newer and more efficient micro inverter system.

I’ve heard the door to door guys tend to massively upcharge. I haven’t had any come through here, though, so I don’t have any direct experience.

fine_sandy_bottom , in Donald Trump says he's "entitled" to personally attack Kamala Harris

Trump said Thursday that Walz has “had a terrible career” and called him “a weird guy,” adding that Harris was “weird in her policy.”

I love this so much. His best retort is “no, you’re weird!”.

Um so pumped to see him lose the ejection, and then go to jail, and then become irrelevant, and then die.

Xaphanos ,

You missed “become poor” and “have his family turn on him”.

Feathercrown ,

Some already have

ReallyActuallyFrankenstein ,

“Oh, so we can just steal ‘weird’ and turn it against them, like we did ‘fake news’ and ‘fascist’ and all the others, right?”

Followed by:

“Look at these weird liberals who want health care and don’t think of women as cattle!”

, Donald and JD. Never stop never stopping.

Riven ,
@Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I’ve been doing this with them for a while. They get mad when you call em snowflakes and just hit em with no u.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

The popular political position of “no u.”

Zombiepirate ,
@Zombiepirate@lemmy.world avatar

The only arguments reactionaries have are “no u” and “nuh-uh.”

I had more stimulating debates at the middle school lunch table.

MaxPow3r11 ,

That’s all these fascist fucks ever have.

Which is why they have to coopt every movement/slogan created by the left

& twist it into their own fucked shit.

girlfreddy OP ,
@girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

Um so pumped to see him lose the ejection

I dunno if that’s a Freudian slip or intentional, but either way it’s funny as hell.

iAmTheTot ,

Pump the brakes on that excitement. I don’t know how old you are, but let me tell or remind you that voters were this excited in 2016 too, and spoiler alert, he won.

Harris does not have that big of a lead. Let’s get excited after she actually wins.

lolcatnip ,

I wasn’t anywhere near this excited to see every imaginable bad thing happen to him back then.

SmokumJoe ,

No one I knew was excited about Hillary in 2016.

artichokecustard ,

kamala would have turned around

Clent ,

Without looking it up, can you tell me who Hillary’s vp pick was?

Her most memorable moment was calling Trump supporters deplorables but she immediately walked it back.

iAmTheTot ,

Tim Kaine.

I did not realize “don’t celebrate too early like we did in 2016” would be a hot take.

Clent ,

You didn’t say celebrate. You said excited.

People are excited. Possibly more excited than when Obama was running.

Trump has been pouting about how excited everyone is so telling people not to get too excited sounds a lot like what Trump is ranting about.

Crackhappy ,
@Crackhappy@lemmy.world avatar

I’m more excited to see him lose the erection.

Cocodapuf ,

I love this comment so much!

This 100%

piecat ,

Does secret service have to protect him in prison?

fine_sandy_bottom ,

Not an expert but I think so.

I don’t think he’d end up in regular prison anyway. House arrest at his golf club or some shit.

MagicShel , in Child sex-trafficking survivor who killed her abuser will finally learn her fate at sentencing hearing next week

No one can disagree she should be given a fucking medal.

Volar, who was White, had been filming his sexual abuse of Kizer, who is Black, for more than a year.

Ohhhhhhh. I see the problem here. Yikes. Justice is in serious jeopardy.

TransplantedSconie , in Trump Claims Stock Market Will ‘Crash’ While Fox News Ticker Shows Massive Market Gains On Screen

Imagine going to hear a presidential candidate speak and all you get is a clueless old fart next to a stack of coffee and sausage.

Fucking weirdo.

edgemaster72 ,
@edgemaster72@lemmy.world avatar

And somehow people keep coming back for more

kent_eh , (edited )

Fewer and fewer, it seems. His audience size is dropping and it’s got him freaked out.

fmstrat ,

Was that speech sponsored?

MyOpinion , in US Considers a Rare Antitrust Move: Breaking Up Google

Yes please. Google has become a monster.

Lemminary , in Harris rejects Trump's idea to debate her on FOX with live audience.

Between this and her openly calling him a criminal in her public statement, I can tell dis gon be gud. Oh, I’m cackling.

worldwidewave ,

“It’s interesting how ‘any time, any place’ becomes ‘one specific time, one specific safe space,’" she wrote on social media platform X. “I’ll be there on Sept. 10, like he agreed to. I hope to see him there.”

She’s definitely signaling that she’s going to give him a spanking at the debate. I really hope it happens, and he gets into his defensive mode where he really scrambles.

CitizenKong ,

We have already seen what he will do. He will call her rude and nasty and then try to argue she isn’t black. He’s a brocken record at this point.

Kecessa ,

What is gonna be good? She’s going to the ABC debate and he’s not

Lemminary ,

The entire campaign up until election day, hopefully.

FlyingSquid , in Trump doubles down on "rude and nasty" label for Black journalists, after tense NABJ interview
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

He’s so close to using the N-word. Just a little more to push him over the edge…

xantoxis ,

There’s been a lot of talk about how he’s going senile or whatever.

The fact that we know he says the N word, but somehow he doesn’t say it on mic, suggests to me that he still has his mental facilities. His filter still works. (The fact that he does filter himself should give you pause about what’s actually inside his head.)

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

You can be pretty senile and still know not to say some things even then when you’re still as able to operate as independently as he is. I know this from my own father who had dementia.

But honestly, I don’t care whether or not he is really senile. This is politics. All I care about is that people think he’s senile.

steal_your_face , (edited )
@steal_your_face@lemmy.ml avatar

He’s been not saying the n word in public for decades now. It’s probably ingrained into him at this point whether senile or not

homesweethomeMrL ,

It’s a good theory but I don’t think it actually works like that. He’d have to be really far gone for that filter to fail.

A_Random_Idiot ,

I dont think hes going senile.

I think hes just getting increasingly frustrated and flabbergasted, because he spent his entire life in a bubble surrounded by yes men telling him he could do whatever he wanted, and get away with whatever he wanted, and had a constant stream of sycophants up his ass praising him and everything he did.

but since hes got elected president, he… for the first time in his entire life, has met with constant criticism, with constant roadblocks, with constant "NO"s for almost everything he did, does, or tries to do… and its wearing on him. Hes at the end of his rope, he doesnt know what to do or say to elicit the praise he wants from anyone other than the ugly peasant folk that adore him, and that he absolutely detests, and thats leading him more and more to frustrated irrationality and revealing ever more of his true self and opinions.

podperson ,

This is why being “a good business leader” (not that I’m saying he was that either, since he failed at selling steaks and alcohol to Americans) does not equate to being able to run a country. It’s almost the opposite. You lead a business, your responsibility is to run it as you see fit. You run a country, you have a responsibility to take into account the wants and needs of everyone, even the people you don’t agree with.

A_Random_Idiot ,

a good business leader makes himself and the company rich, at the expense of everyone and everything else.

a good president makes everyone prosperous.

Being a good business leader is like the antimatter to a good presidents matter.

podperson ,

Better stated than mine.

A_Random_Idiot ,

nah, just building off yours mate.

zaph ,

My step-dad had dementia and died to a self-inflicted gsw during sundown. He seemed to have control of his mental facilities at lunch. I’m not saying he has dementia I’m just saying that having a filter for 30 minutes isn’t evidence he doesn’t.

Grimy , in Racist Donald Trump Says Kamala Harris 'Happened to Turn Black'.

“She just isn’t black enough to be president” Trump hurt itself in its confusion.

derpgon ,

Cherry on top would be recommending tanning lol.

Chozo , in Far-right trolls have launched a racist crusade against Kamala Harris

Oh cool, so they're mixing their 2008 (racism) and 2016 (sexism) campaign strategies together.

ogmios ,
@ogmios@sh.itjust.works avatar

Funny how many -isms come out in the media every time people don’t agree with the establishment line.

Nurse_Robot ,

What are you saying here?

ogmios ,
@ogmios@sh.itjust.works avatar

That legitimate debate is impossible while the media is hyper-focused on everything but. That’s exactly why reporting on racism exploded after occupy came dangerously close to threatening the banker’s cartel.

Haquer ,

So you are saying it has always been there just underreported? That’s even worse.

imPastaSyndrome ,

Oh neat an honest to goodness non-sequitur

Nurse_Robot ,

I’m still genuinely not understanding what your argument is

Viking_Hippie ,

They’re disingenuously pretending that the media is conflating bigotry with legitimate criticism rather than the far right employing the former much more often than the latter.

SirDerpy ,

Neolibs don’t want to think any more than the MAGA cult. Yeah, it’s the fault of mass media. But, the last thing they want to hear while running in fear of Trump is that they’re a bigger obstacle to progress than Trump. They won’t even accept it from MLK Jr’s letter from Birmingham jail.

ImpressiveEssay ,

Lol!!!

It’s so funny seeing people actually still think maga is anything but a king making cult.

I ain’t American, but fuck it it fun y watching certain Americans be so horrendously thick.

Enjoy your king!

Diplomjodler3 ,

So the media shouldn’t report racist and sexist attacks? And can you point us to any sources of Republicans actually making any sort of good faith attempt at an honest debate about the issues? Because i haven’t seen any in a very long time.

ImpressiveEssay ,

Well… fox and those right leaning media channels… that’s for sure…

ahornsirup ,

How is calling Harris a “whore” or the n-word “legitimate debate”?

ogmios ,
@ogmios@sh.itjust.works avatar

It’s not, but you’re being focused on that instead of any of the many people who actually do have real issues they’d like to discuss.

cAUzapNEAGLb ,

When the headlines are about random maga types being quoted calling her “little whore” and n-words - it’s clear that yeah, the -isms are indeed out and about, the media is just reporting it.

The reality cannot be denied, they aren’t deep faking the clips.

The maga crowd dosnt counter her policies, her voting record, her career, her speech, her age, her cognitive function

They go after what she was born with and what that crowd has been indoctrinated to hate.

That’s where the ism’s come from.

Eggyhead , (edited )

Funny how many -isms -ists come out
in the media
every time people don’t agree with the establishment line.

Edit: I realized I wasn’t very clear.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I will ask you what I asked the person you are agreeing with here: Is calling Kamala Harris the N-word just not agreeing with “the establishment line?” Because that’s what this is about.

Eggyhead ,

I was in disagreement. I removed media from the equation because I believe all the -ists are the real reason these -isms show up no matter the circumstance.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Are you actually suggesting that calling her the N-word is simply disagreeing with the establishment line?

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

This is why satire is dead.

ImpressiveEssay ,

When it’s for legitimate reasons.

Funny how many racist comments come out in media every time people don’t like the colour of the candidate but never finished school so can’t actually engage with their work.

Theharpyeagle ,

People have called her and Biden “Joe and the Hoe”, have implied she slept her way to the top, have called her a diversity hire, have invoked the heritage project to oust her. So yes, they’ve gotten racist and sexist very fast.

nl4real , in [Mega thread] - Biden ends bid for presidency

It’s finally over. Now get in someone who can beat Trump.

Montagge ,

Who exactly?

Qkall ,
@Qkall@lemmy.ml avatar

yeah… i don’t think harris is the answer…

girlfreddy ,
@girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

If Harris is in, she can use the money already donated. Otherwise they have to start from scratch.

So it’s almost guaranteed Harris will be in. Who they pick for VP is the question.

PythagreousTitties ,

Can they still keep her as VP and put someone else on as prez?

dhork ,

Harris/Whitmer is my bet

ricecake ,

On the one hand: “you can’t have her she’s ours!”. On the other, she’s out in 26 regardless, and she’s pretty good so maybe we can share with the rest of the country.

Qkall ,
@Qkall@lemmy.ml avatar

I just don’t think she can beat big orange. I’m not saying she shouldn’t … but I don’t know … doubtful

mosiacmango ,

He was a prosecutor for years, so she has plently of oratory chops, and shes 20 years younger than trump to boot.

Her only liability is the she is a she and there are plently of sexist fucks out there. Thats it.

alquicksilver ,
@alquicksilver@lemmy.world avatar

You forgot that she’s a POC and there are also tons of racists fucks out there.

Even before getting to her actual credentials (some great, others really not), people will be assholes. I still have hope that she, as a former prosecutor, could mop the floor with the fascists.

Zaktor ,

On the plus side, racist and sexist heavily overlap.

Emperor ,
@Emperor@feddit.uk avatar

July 11th poll:

Americans divide 46-47% between Biden and Trump if the election were today, almost identical to a 44-46% ABC/Ipsos poll result in April. Among registered voters (though there’s plenty of time to register) it’s an absolute tie, 46-46%.

Were Vice President Kamala Harris to replace Biden as the Democratic nominee, vote choices are 49-46%, Harris-Trump, among all adults (and 49-47% among registered voters). Harris’ 49% is slightly better than Biden’s 46%, although she doesn’t have a statistically significant lead over Trump.

Also possibly key:

Both candidates [Biden and Trump] face a high degree of scorn. About 4 in 10 Americans say neither has the mental sharpness or the physical health to serve effectively, and as many say neither is honest and trustworthy. Sixty percent say Trump is too old for a second term, also a new high, up from 44% in spring 2023. And in a sign of the nation’s political polarization, 50% say that given his debate performance, Trump should step aside in favor of another nominee – although, in contrast with Biden, very few of Trump’s own supporters say so.

WoahWoah ,

You can expect Harris’s numbers to drop given she’s vulnerable to almost every criticism Biden was except age and the fact that the Trump campaign has already been preparing to attack her.

Pandantic ,
@Pandantic@midwest.social avatar

And they’ve already made anti-Harris ads, which I heard on live CNN rn that they are already running them.

SeaJ , (edited )

No, they don’t. The Democratic Party can give the donated money to whoever is the candidate. Not sure where people are getting that.

Edit: After reading up, I am mistaken kind of. If Harris is still the VP candidate, the money could be used. Otherwise a PAC would have to be setup to funnel money to the candidate…maybe. Bloomberg was simply able to transfer his campaign funds directly to the DNC since it was part of his campaign money…even though the vast majority of it was his own money.

mrlavallee ,
@mrlavallee@lemmy.world avatar

The money Biden has raised directly however can only go to the people that were on his ticket at the time the donation was made

xmunk ,

That’s correct, but nearly none of the money is the direct donation stuff - it’s almost in PACs which are (due to a legal fiction) entirely independent of the candidate.

mrlavallee ,
@mrlavallee@lemmy.world avatar

There are still more restrictions however on spending on other candidates and they would have to act like any other PAC, only helping via donating/running ads in support of (but importantly not directly by) any other candidate.

FlowVoid ,

The $100 million warchest belongs to the Biden/Harris campaign, not the Democratic Party. They are separate organizations, and Biden/Harris only answers to Biden and Harris.

The DNC has its own funds of course, but nowhere near as much. And DNC funds are supposed to be shared with multiple Democrats, not just the one running for president.

Zaktor ,

And notably even if Biden/Harris were supporting the alternative, they’re an outside group. They can spend like a super PAC, but can’t pay bills or do direct advertising.

Tryptaminev ,

I find this so insane. People talk about who gets to keep the money, who has which rich asshole routing for them, which strategy has been successfull in the past, like always setting up the current president for reelection…

We need to focus on who has actually inspiring policies and ideas. We need to focus on these, because that is what the Reps lack. All they offer is “not the Dems” while the policies they propose are actually unpopular with many of their base. And the whole “Not Trump” strategy of Biden just fell apart.

Is there noone in the Democratic party who can actually come up with a coherent vision of the future and inspire people to follow it?

Pandantic ,
@Pandantic@midwest.social avatar

Is there no one in the Democratic party who can actually come up with a coherent vision of the future and inspire people to follow it?

This is why I think Pete Buttigieg should throw his hat in if they do have a primary. He just had a Bill Maher interview that just went viral because he knows how to talk to the common people. I think his visions are inspiring, he’s done a lot of work for his department, and he isn’t afraid to walk across party lines and go on Republican shows to talk about the real problems. He’s smart enough to smash Trump in a debate, calling out all his lies, and even if Trump is too scared to debate him, he has no problem laying out Trump’s lies elsewhere coherently and cognitively.

Montagge ,

Half of America lost it’s mind when Obama was elected, and we’re still dealing with the fallout from that lovely dose of racism. There’s no way Kamala could win in this country.

Qkall ,
@Qkall@lemmy.ml avatar

like all that aside, a lot of folks aren’t appreciative of her background as a cop… but yeah that’s a cherry to what you already mentioned

mosiacmango ,

And a lot of swing voters will probably like that she was a prosecutor, a “law and order” type.

ImADifferentBird ,
@ImADifferentBird@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I think most of the “law and order” types might have a bigger problem with her being a black woman.

mosiacmango ,

She aint “black” as much as “brown.” Its an incredibly stupid hair to split, but indians are generally considered a “model minority” by racists, so it will likely hurt her but not as much as you may think.

ImADifferentBird ,
@ImADifferentBird@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Isn’t she half-black and half-Indian? Or am I mistaken on that?

Regardless, the flame out of Bobby Jindal shows what those folks think of Indians anyway.

mosiacmango ,

No, you’re right. I honestly forgot she was half black.

I guess I hope the “moderate” racists do as well.

nao ,

still the other half was enough to elect him

Zaktor ,

Obama won. And then won again. Stop pumping up the reactionaries as some unstoppable force. They’re a minority and have been on a long term losing streak.

ImADifferentBird ,
@ImADifferentBird@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

She’ll have to be. Anybody else would be starting from square one, and that’s a luxury we don’t have right now.

fossilesque , (edited )
@fossilesque@mander.xyz avatar

I don’t particularly like her, then again I detest nearly all politicians. That being said, I’m more motivated to vote, that’s for certain. I didn’t mind Biden, but it felt like elder abuse lol. He’s been better than anyone in my lifetime. Good God, I’d rather have her than Hilary as the first woman in the spot. Biden was just hard to watch and that position needs someone that will have to live with the consequences of the decisions in office. Will be curious to see who else puts their name in. 4 years ago he said he wouldn’t run again and he seems to be keeping that promise too. If they were clever, they’d put Biden as VP or as an advisor.

spujb ,

Harris 2024 babyyyyy

Kalothar ,

Senator Mark Kelly, he can do this

He flipped AZ to blue

He is an astronaut, all American, former servicemen

He can get red votes and blue alike

alquicksilver ,
@alquicksilver@lemmy.world avatar

Hmm…not bad. Not amazing name recognition, but that could be remedied.

Having Gabby campaign for/with him, especially after the DJT assassination attempt, could be beneficial, too. (Or could look like a disgusting political plot, but that’s really all our politics.)

alienzx ,

Isn’t senator Kelly the one that created the mutant registration act?

xmunk ,

Yea, but who cares about those sub-human mutants.

ShepherdPie ,

Damn that would be a great pick. I’d like to see AOC but Kelly probably has more broad appeal with all the things you mentioned.

bdonvr ,

Actually that’s not a bad idea at all

Reverendender ,

This is…not a bad idea!

Death_Equity ,

Ok, he is probably the best name anybody has thrown out.

WoahWoah ,

Kelly or Mayor Pete seem like the best options.

Buttigieg and AOC ticket? That would be the youth candidacy. Kelly and Buttigieg or vice versa would be more centrist but probably be the most robust candidacy.

I hate to say it, but in this political climate and with the threat of Trump, the best shot is probably two young-ish white guys.

Resonosity ,

I highly doubt Kamala will want to pull a sitting Democratic senator away from the 50/50 Senate given the elections coming up.

I think there is a greater chance that she picks one of the governors. My pick is J.B. Pritzker.

Kalothar ,

That is true, I really was just spitballing, I’ll have to look into JB Pritzker, I’m regrettably unfamiliar with him

morphballganon , (edited )
FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar
WoahWoah ,

Gavin is probably the least popular option of any names floated. I don’t know who likes him, apparently some people do, but it’s not anywhere near a majority of the country.

FlexibleToast ,

On top of that, you can add that there is no advantage to getting a candidate from California. This is why I never understood Harris as the VP pick. Ideally, you get someone from a swing state like Whitmer.

nl4real ,

This late in the game, it’s almost certainly Harris. Probably picks a swing state governor like Whitmer or Shapiro.

GiddyGap ,

Or Mark Kelly. Regardless, it’s probably going to be a white male from a swing state to appeal to as broad of an electorate as possible.

Bye ,

Literally any straight white man center-right democrat born after 1968 would wipe the floor with trump.

And before anyone jumps down my throat, that’s not what I want. I want president Cortez. But presidents are chosen by money and by about 10,000 generically stupid swing voters in Michigan and Pennsylvania.

FlexibleToast ,

Voters in Michigan that voted for Whitmer.

Bye ,

Fantastic point.

JackFrostNCola ,

Im not american but i wholly support AOC4POTUS2028.
Or for a more catchy media bite: “A-O-C for the Presidency”

UnityDevice ,

It’s not over… It’s joever!

TheDemonBuer , in Joe Biden ends re-election campaign
@TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world avatar

I hope the Dems know what they’re doing.

SaltySalamander ,

Morgan Freeman: "They do not"

Omegamanthethird ,
@Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world avatar

Biden wasn’t doing what needed to be done to come back from the debate. This wasn’t a move out of desperation. It was out of necessity.

I hope they have a plan too.

s_s ,

He’s 81 and has COVID

SuckMyWang ,

He likely doesn’t have Covid

kinkles ,
@kinkles@sh.itjust.works avatar

According to…?

SuckMyWang ,

The internet.

I’m on the internet.

kandoh ,

He likely does have COVID

merc ,

Nobody knows what they’re doing. This is all unprecedented stuff.

PhAzE ,

They do. They’re doing what the people asked.

ImpressiveEssay ,

Realistically… from a foreigner . They shouldn’t …really… Have to…

Anybody that votes for trump wants a king. Plain and simple.

Provided America has a functional education system, the Dems should easily be able to coast against someone that actively tried to retain power in the ways that he did. You can listen to the cals yaknow.

UltraGiGaGigantic ,

Make the democrats mistakes less existential by introducing competition into the electoral process with Ranked Choice voting.

More political parties, more chances to beat trump, more people voting.

Bassman1805 , in Federal judge delays posting of Ten Commandments in Louisiana public schools

The 250th anniversary of the signing of US declaration of independence will be in 2026.

The state is also requiring a four-paragraph “context statement” about how the commandments “were a prominent part of American public education for almost three centuries”.

Generous rounding, there.

saltesc ,

That makes me almost 0 years old and my father almost 100.

thisbenzingring ,

I was born in 1974 but haven’t had my birthday yet…

Guess I’m 0 today and before the years up I’ll be 100

No wonder their education system is fubar

FireTower , (edited )
@FireTower@lemmy.world avatar

I think he was alluding to pre 1776 American history as well.

EleventhHour ,
@EleventhHour@lemmy.world avatar

Technically, that’s English, Dutch, French, and Spanish history, not to mention Native American history. And the Native Americans certainly were not influenced by Christianity, except for the part of it that killed the shit out of all of them.

FireTower ,
@FireTower@lemmy.world avatar

Only if you define American history as that of the current United States government which would exclude events most if not all would consider core events to American history. Like the Pilgrims landing, Lexington & Concord, and Bunker Hill. If you define it as the history of those who lived on the land you arrive at a different conclusion.

EleventhHour ,
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only 2 of those 3 are American history, and not even exclusively. the first is English and Native American, and the second and third also include the English. expanding the last two references to the entire American War of Independence, that also includes, again, the French.

so, really, it seems it comes down to your obtuse cherry-picking of events and American exceptionalism.

Deceptichum ,
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As an Australian, it’s both.

Colonial history is both the colonisers and the colonies.

EleventhHour ,
@EleventhHour@lemmy.world avatar

i agree: it was English colonial history

zalgotext ,

Hey man, seriously, bravo. I just wanna say I haven’t seen this brilliant of a show of hair splitting pedantry since I left Reddit

FireTower ,
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The history of the land is the history of America. My “cherry picking” is just pulling events that every American student gets taught in k-12 American History classes. This isn’t American exceptionalism this is recognizing that “French History”, “English History”, and “Native American History” that happen on American soil are American history.

Trying to divide the history as being that of a government rather than a land is impossible to do as the histories of governments are interwoven.

History builds on itself. The French and Indian War (1754-63) might not be considered by you to be the history of the USA but it was George Washington that sparked off the conflict. And it would inform the relations with native nations down the line. It also created the terrible economic situation that lead the taxation of the colonies. But for that war we wouldn’t have the America we have today.

And that war would have been much different if not informed by earlier conflicts like King Phillips War. There’s no fine line to be drawn.

EleventhHour ,
@EleventhHour@lemmy.world avatar

The history of the land is the history of America. My “cherry picking” is just pulling events that every American student gets taught in k-12 American History classes.

Some of it, conveniently leaving out the parts which conflict with your point of view. That’s the definition of cherry-picking…

Trying to divide the history as being that of a government rather than a land is impossible to do as the histories of governments are interwoven.

yet i easily did it

save the mental gymnastics for the Olympics in a few weeks, and just admit that you’re wrong.

FireTower ,
@FireTower@lemmy.world avatar

yet i easily did it

You did it wrongly as well. The protestants arriving was critical in establishing Massachusetts as an English stronghold. If the English never colonized MA there would be no Lexington & Concord.

Claiming that citing supporting evidence is cherry picking is ridiculous. You imply such without supporting you claim with a single point, as if there was a sea of evidence contrary.

What about the French Indian War? Is that American history under your fine line model? How about the Boston Massacre? None of the involved parties there would have even considered independence at the time.

EleventhHour , (edited )
@EleventhHour@lemmy.world avatar

You did it wrongly as well.

wait for it…

The protestants arriving was critical in establishing Massachusetts as an English stronghold

my point exactly. funny how i’m “wrong” but you reply by explaining how i’m right.

Claiming that citing supporting evidence is cherry picking is ridiculous

proving you wrong isn’t ridiculous, it’s just inconvenient for you. claiming that is ridiculous is ridiculous. besides, your “supporting evidence” proves me right. again.

What about the French Indian War? Is that American history under your fine line model? How about the Boston Massacre? None of the involved parties there would have even considered independence at the time.

From Wikipedia:

The French and Indian War (1754–1763) was a theater of the Seven Years’ War, which pitted the North American colonies of the British Empire against those of the French, each side being supported by various Native American tribes. (source)

The Boston Massacre (known in Great Britain as the Incident on King Street[1]) was a confrontation in Boston on March 5, 1770, in which nine British soldiers shot several of a crowd of three or four hundred who were harassing them verbally and throwing various projectiles. The event was heavily publicized as “a massacre” by leading Patriots such as Paul Revere and Samuel Adams.[2][3] British troops had been stationed in the Province of Massachusetts Bay since 1768 in order to support crown-appointed officials and to enforce unpopular Parliamentary legislation.

In the 18th century, Boston was the capital of the Province of Massachusetts Bay, an important shipping town, and along with Philadelphia and present-day New York City, one of the most influential political, economic, and cultural cities in the Thirteen Colonies of pre-Revolutionary British America. Boston also was a center of resistance to unpopular acts of taxation by the British Parliament in the 1760s.[5] (source)

im enjoying your tantrum and your attempt to speed-run the Kubler-Ross model.

you’re still wrong, though. try getting your facts straight next time :P

FireTower , (edited )
@FireTower@lemmy.world avatar

So you honest to God believe that the Boston Massacre isn’t an important event in American history? Just as the the French-Indian War which had it not occurred the Revolution wouldn’t have happenen?

My supporting evidence only has served as a platform for you to hang your own argument off of. If you needed to go to Wikipedia to learn about the French-Indian War just now you’ve no place to qualify American History as solely that of the English.

EleventhHour ,
@EleventhHour@lemmy.world avatar

Your opinions are irrelevant to the facts, which I have provided with sources. How you feel about that is also irrelevant.

I’ve proven you wrong several times; now it’s time for you to get over yourself. Cherry picking and moving the goal posts or whatever other logical fallacies you wish to employ is not going to change that.

SpaceNoodle ,

He certainly eluded all logic.

FireTower ,
@FireTower@lemmy.world avatar

Thanks for pointing out the typo fixed it.

tburkhol ,

If you start with the founding of Harvard in 1636 and go to SCOTUS deciding that laws requiring the 10 commandments in classrooms are unconstitutional in 1980, then you get almost 350 years.

EldritchFeminity ,

To avoid bias, they should probably post this quote from Thomas Jefferson next to it:

If God truly does exist, then he more so loves the atheist who questions the world around him than the Christian who blindly follows.

More than half of the Founding Fathers were agnostic or atheists, and separation of church and state was one of the key principles in their doctrine.

grue ,

What I read is that a lot of them claimed to be “deists.”

I could be wrong, but I get the distinct impression that “deist” was an 18th-century euphemism for “atheist, but in the closet about it so as not to offend the normies.”

EldritchFeminity ,

Yeah, probably an older form of agnosticism. But they were very clear in their opposition to a religious state. It was why England separated from the Catholic church, and why many groups emigrated to the US - freedom of religion (or freedom from it).

blaine ,

The point they are making was that they were a prominent part of public education in those areas during colonial times.

LostWanderer , in Trump's Project 2025 is now being searched in Google more than Taylor Swift and the NFL

This is good news, while it wouldn’t be enough to sway diehards, it will sway the undecided who don’t want to see the nation become a shell of its former self. Conservatives who are trying to distance themselves from their most desired plan will make mistakes and screw up enough to hopefully get caught out. Here’s hoping at least.

PenisWenisGenius , (edited )

Not enough people get triggered enough by maga policies though. Enough are concerned about abortion maybe but transgender rights, marijuana, Ukraine, climate change, nah. I fear that too many people would rather vote for the candidate everyone wrongly belives is going to improve the economy than any of that stuff, not that I agree that’s the right choice.

This “don’t want bad things to happen to you? Simply don’t be trans/gay/poor/different” mentality that so many people believe in needs to stop.

KISSmyOS , in 127 degrees: Heat record shattered in Death Valley, with high temperature of 130 in forecast
brap ,

Hot damn that puts it into perspective.

polysics ,

Came here to make a human steak joke but as usual, the community doesn’t disappoint.

werefreeatlast ,

…and this is your bed, it’s a water bed and we add rosemary, salt and oregano to your taste.

superminerJG ,

this means that you can cook a steak perfectly by leaving it out in the sun in Death Valley

Pretzilla , (edited )

Nope, in the shade.

Though, TBF, the NPS, who admin that thermometer, admit it’s in a very hot location next to the ranger station, and they keep it there for bragging rights.

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