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octavio_dingus , in Racismed

Just another example that billionaires didn’t become billionaires by being smarter than everyone else.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Unironically dividing the Proletariat against itself by stirring up racism among conservatives on a large social platform is the correct move for him to keep his dragon hoard, though I doubt it’s intentional.

shawwnzy ,

I’d give him more credit, it doesn’t take a genius to encourage people to subscribe to a philosophy and or vote for a person that will benefit you.

He knows what he’s doing

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

I dunno, I’ve seen his Elden Ring build, and he’s somehow a fan of New Vegas despite NV beating him over the head, so I don’t quite believe that.

Zehzin ,
@Zehzin@lemmy.world avatar

Dude was carrying two shields for no reason 💀

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

And he even said he changes his build if he needs to roll faster, so he understands the basics of equip load yet deliberately used 2 shields that were both unnecessary.

KingThrillgore ,
@KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

If he streamed regularly, DSP would be shocked at how bad he plays.

Empricorn ,

Sure, but that’s just survival bias.

Promethiel ,
@Promethiel@lemmy.world avatar

Even crazy new Dragons get the “Respect the #1 rule of Dragon Club; do nothing to threaten the viability of the existence of Dragons” speech, I reckon.

li10 , in The comments speak for themselves

I read the TLDR bot at least…

Seems like that gives 90% of the relevant info, then I view the article if there’s anything missing.

Not that it makes a difference, my opinions are formed before I even read the title. I’m dug in, and I’ll never change 😎

WashedOver ,
@WashedOver@lemmy.ca avatar

The real truth!

BruceTwarzen ,

I always read the top comment first, because often they have a better article or explain why the article is misleading

lobut ,

Yeah, I go top comment(s) to see if the article is not clickbait. Then I’ll read the summary to see if it’s any good. Then I’ll go to the article itself if those check out.

Sotuanduso ,

But what if that comment is instead downvoted to death because it goes against the community opinions?

fastandcurious ,
@fastandcurious@lemmy.world avatar

Ssshhhh!

explodicle ,

Then I look for a better community

Magrath ,

I generally do this because the articles are often behind paywalls.

zip ,

I’m dug in, and I’ll never change 😎

'Cause we don’t have to! 'Cause we’re AMERICANS! We won’t change our minds on anything, regardless of the facts that are set out before us.

Rock, flag, and eagle! Right, li10?

umbrella , in copium28
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

wait, were people expecting something to come out of yet another climate conference?

repeat after me: we end capitalism, or we die.

lemmesay OP ,
@lemmesay@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

I didn’t have much hope. however, after seeing yet another record hot year, I thought maybe this time people in power would do, or at least pledge to do something.

now I’ve truly accepted my fate. that I, along with billion others whose role in climate change is practically zero, will bear the most(provided we live that long).

Ram_The_Manparts ,
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repeat after me: we end capitalism, or we die.

lenin-laugh

rwhitisissle ,

To be fair, if we die, capitalism goes with us.

ieightpi ,

We figured out the cheat code

Chinzon ,

I agree, it takes a lot of copium to believe that all of this “phasing out by 2050” shit itsnt straight pandering. Its like a smoker with lung cancer saying they’ll quit in a few years. We are hopelessly addicted to our lifestyles that depend on fossil fuels. The only one thats ultimately going to shift our society is mother nature when she eradicates us through famine, extreme weather and chaos

affiliate ,

i’m sure they’ll think of something new on the 28th one

AlecSadler ,

Serious question…how do we end capitalism?

Like, even a near-term steps to take would be sufficient. I’m just feeling a bit run down these days. It seems like when we, the MAJORITY PEOPLE, get a win… we’re slapped in the face with ten other losses. Fascism is on the rise, inflation is insane, housing prices are insane, here in the US there is a legitimate chance Trump might win again which is extremely disheartening.

umbrella , (edited )
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We organize. Lenin literally wrote a manual outlining the basic general steps, and those were used successfully all around the world by the working class to take over the state. It is also a great way of fighting fascism.

We organize worker unions, then start using our power of collective bargaining and strikes to force them to concede more and more. All that while building a paralel socialist party and bottom up councils to direct the decisions, this party will eventually take over the state. In an ideal world this can be done nonviolently (it did initially happen peacefully in russia) but the elites will resist so we have to be prepared and strong enough. Along the way we may need to arm ourselves, save up on food and necessities to defend against the state violence that will come. For that we need a good chunk of the population onboard but its definetly possible. About half the people in most countries are already convinced voting can only bring the lesser evil so half the battle is done for us.

This is just one way, of course there are several schools of thought on the left about how to do it. Anarchists have an interesting idea of just building the all institutions we need parallel to the state too, although their method never worked on a large countrywide scale, it works pretty well for smaller communes.

usernamesAreTricky , in May as well buy burgers in the US, since you already paid for most of it through taxes!

It’s worth noting that in countries like US, it’s really only things like beyond burgers and impossible meat that cost more. It doesn’t require eating those for a plant-based diet nor are people typically eating those every meal, is why plant-based diets generally have lower costs

Compared to meat eaters, results show that “true” vegetarians do indeed report lower food expenditures

www.sciencedirect.com/…/S0921800915301488?via%3Di…

It found that in high-income countries:

• Vegan diets were the most affordable and reduced food costs by up to one third.

• Vegetarian diets were a close second.

• Flexitarian diets with low amounts of meat and dairy reduced costs by 14%.

• By contrast, pescatarian diets increased costs by up to 2%.

ox.ac.uk/…/2021-11-11-sustainable-eating-cheaper-…

ericbomb OP ,

Oh yeah I 100% spend less on food as a vegetarian, because black beans/lentils are such wonderful cheap sources of protein.

But sometimes I want like the premade like meat crumbles or burgers, and those cost more usually.

match ,
@match@pawb.social avatar

But do you spend less because you’re vegetarian, or because you don’t have options for spending money at fast food / restaurants?

ericbomb OP ,

I mean a pound of beef costs $4.

A pound of raw lentils like a $1.

Lentils are more calorie dense.

Lentils are more protein dense.

Black beans are in similar camp.

Rice and wheat products are cheaper per calorie, but lack the protein.

So yeah, it’s just cheaper to be a vegetarian, even with massive beef subsidiaries. But veggie patties are still more expensive because of processing and they are smaller batches.

scala ,

To add to this as a vegan of 10+ years. To supplement the lack of protein, I use pea based protein powder for a meal. And add hemp seeds for other meals/snacks during the day.

We occasionally get the processed grounds/meat substitutes only when they are on sale. Which would be 2lbs for $6 for a gardien/beyond/impossible alternative to animal flesh in pounds.

blanketswithsmallpox ,

Unfortunately the difference between eating meat or lentils is having to eat lentils lol.

ericbomb OP ,

… okay you got me there.

But the veggie tech to make meat likes is getting better, so hopefully soon!

Habahnow ,

Lol, lentils are freaking bomb. Its a win win for me, I can eat bomb ass lentils, and save money.

blanketswithsmallpox ,

I’ve always had issues with lentils but my diet is very Midwest American lol. The only time I’ve had good lentils is when they’re masked as much as possible in heavily spiced curries or similar.

Aren’t they already used in a bunch of processed foods as filler?

Ataraxia ,

My mom would make lentil stew with sausage and I always ate the sausage and left the lentils. Was also forced to stay at the table until bed time because I refused to eat them. I need meat with my legumes that is if I am not working because I have a severe carb intolerance so anything from oats, to brown rice to beans and tubers trigger my IBS and make me confused. The only fix was 3 months of straight keto where I felt amazing, was exercising and looked great but… my boyfriend learned how to make pizza thw right way and nothing will ever replace the dough on pizza so once a week I have that, fast the rest and when I eat it’s steak or chicken or shrimp or fish with spinach or something. I need to work so I can’t just have a bean burrito or a bowl of rice or ill end up fired for spending too much time in the toilet or getting someone killed because I can’t think.

Must be nice to have that kind of privilege to eat what you want though!

TheFriendlyDickhead ,

I realy don’t get why people eat those meat subsidies. They are realy not that good and unhealthy too. Cooking a meal just with vegetables and other stuff can taste realy good, is healthy and cheap at the same time.

queermunist ,
@queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

They’re junk food and that’s why I love them.

It’s the same impulse that keeps me buying Takis.

WetBeardHairs ,

Probably because Americans were raised on a super meat heavy diet. Meat burgers. Meat casseroles. Meat sauces. Meat everything. Fake meats make those recipes achievable for vegetarians and vegans who long for mom’s home cooking.

4lan ,

This is only a recent thing historically. Government subsidies and lobbying from the meat industry, not to mention letting agricultural corporations create our food pyramid, got us to where we are today.

We have been led into an unhealthy lifestyle for the profit of a handful of billionaires.

Take a look at places where people live above 100 yrs regularly. They aren’t shoveling beef down there throats like Americans are. And we die 20 to 30 years earlier on average

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  • 4lan ,

    Couldn’t be a combination of factors could it?

    Ataraxia ,

    Italian here, sardegna. Sausage, porchetto, chicken, lamb (lots of it), small baby birds, brains, all kinds of fish especially sword fish, octopus and Squid, lots of cured meats… the list goes on. Every meal has a meat and we live the longest in italy.

    KillAllPoorPeople ,

    Want to hear some mind-blowing information? Not everyone likes the stuff you like, you’re not the barometer on what is good or what is unhealthy.

    MickeySwitcherooney ,

    You want the real reason in a thread jerking off vegetarianism? Here goes:

    1. Meat tastes great.
    2. It gives me a sense of fullness that plants rarely do (except beans).
    3. It’s a better protein source.
    4. The iron, B12, etc. in it are more easily absorbed.
    5. Every brand of fake meat I’ve tried tastes terrible.
    6. It makes me feel the best mentally compared to eating other foods.
    TheFriendlyDickhead ,

    Yes meat does that. I am talking about fake meat.

    FatCrab ,

    Impossible and beyond taste delicious in respective appropriate dishes. Dunno wtf you’re on about. Also a lot less prep and clean up to toss a frozen patty on the grill than cook a bunch of veggies. The downside is that it isn’t particularly healthy-- at least on par with a red meat burger. But the idea that they all “taste bad” is just dumb and contrary to what clearly a ton of other people experience.

    4lan ,

    Why is it that countries that don’t eat red meat as much as Americans live far longer than we do?

    Okinawans live well past 100, and are doing physical activity into their 90s. Americans are falling apart by the time they turn 60, dead before they hit 80.

    I hope the flavor is worth the colon cancer!

    fatalError ,

    Not American myself, but I can think of a few factors besides meat:

    • less stress
    • less polution
    • less processed food, be it meat or not
    • less sugar
    • less sedentary lifestyle
    • genes

    Nutrition alone won’t get you to 100. Having a diverse diet keeps ypu healty, but there are many factors that impact health. I do agree that meat is overused in general population, but can’t really force the vegan/vegetarian lifestyle onto an omnivore specie.

    mob ,

    While moderation is the key to everything, and I wouldn’t be surprised if cutting out red.meat is a lot healthier for the consumer

    Feels like you just randomly made something up here by comparing some random outlier stories you’ve heard.

    MickeySwitcherooney ,

    I’m sure that’s the only difference between the average American and people from those countries. Same exact genetics, lifestyles, air pollution, economy, etc.

    4lan ,

    I would love you to show me where I said that’s the only difference.

    They also have a sense of community. Americans will fuck over anyone for a slight advantage.

    They also are physically active, unlike Americans eating 3k calories and sitting on their asses all day.

    There are actually many places on Earth that are just like Okinawa in that they have long lives. I think that’s evidence enough that genetics are not a big factor. They are not some sort of superhumans, They just live a better life.

    Go ahead and defend how Americans live… We are insatiable pigs, on a whole. Nearly half of us are overweight because we can’t control ourselves. We have no meaningful culture. We have no sense of community. We are individualistic to the core. And we die before we hit the age 80. But yeah America’s number one right?

    captainlezbian ,

    Yeah people really don’t believe me when I talk about how much I save by being a low fish pescatarian. A can of beans is cheaper than equivalent beef or chicken as are mushrooms. Peanut butter sandwiches are a cheaper lunch than lunch meat ones. And I’m not hurting for protein because beans are full of the stuff

    Illegal_Prime ,

    I’m not vegetarian, but I will stand by peanut butter being the best sandwich filling for packing lunch. Nothing compares to its ability to keep well in a room temperature ziploc bag.

    son_named_bort , in There's a lack of brooding

    They don’t know that I’m invisible.

    empireOfLove ,

    And they don’t know that I’m jacking off too…

    “Anon. We can hear you.”

    PhineaZ ,

    Now you kinda have to make that meme with the emtpy corner thinking “they don’t know I’m invisible”

    JokeDeity , in Why must we be done this way?

    OP take a look back at this in about 5-10 years and realize how monumentally ignorant it is.

    buzz ,
    @buzz@lemmy.world avatar

    When you are a teenager - and you think everyone owes you something.

    ThatWeirdGuy1001 ,
    @ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world avatar

    I’m an adult and still kinda feel this way.

    I didn’t ask to be here and it just gets harder everyday. Even when I’m doing what I’m “supposed” to do to be happy

    user224 ,
    @user224@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    I am sorry. I don’t know why. I just felt like I should have apologized to you. Sorry.

    kmkz_ninja ,

    They didn’t ask to get born, and you people get all bent out of shape when they kill themselves.

    buzz ,
    @buzz@lemmy.world avatar

    I didn’t ask to be born either. Join the club

    kmkz_ninja ,

    Cool, then be as apathetic when teenage suicide continues to go up.

    buzz ,
    @buzz@lemmy.world avatar

    I think you are just trolling, there is a long ass stretch between entitlement and suicides

    kmkz_ninja ,

    One mans entitlements is another’s want to work from home or use a cellphone between classes.

    buzz ,
    @buzz@lemmy.world avatar

    They dont let you use cellphones between classes? I dunno, maybe that’s a little too much.

    kmkz_ninja ,

    That’s the policy in the OP. I’m not sure if it says it in the article, but the OP commented that it includes between class.

    anon232 ,

    I don’t think kids are killing themselves because they can’t use their phones in class…

    kmkz_ninja ,

    Mostly because the world disregards their concerns. “I was able to go through school with lead paint and leaded gasoline” says the fucking boomer.

    “I was able to go to school withoit a cellphone.”

    Good job, you survived a time when life was much simpler, and I’m glad you’ll use your experience to shit on the next generation. It’s the same argument against LLMs. They aren’t going away and saying. “No, don’t” isn’t going to change the world.

    It’s the same stupid worldview that thinks playing a “gambling is dangerous” warning after a Draft King ad is an effective deterrent.

    TheHighRoad ,
    @TheHighRoad@lemmy.world avatar

    We owe each other a lot.

    user224 ,
    @user224@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    I owe you $5.

    anon232 ,

    Likewise, kids owe it to themselves to get a proper education so they can be better successful in their future.

    kmkz_ninja ,

    I just wanted to be able to listen to my music while doing work.

    BigNote ,

    I don’t think OP is thinking that far into their future. I don’t think OP has any plans for higher education either. It’s been a few decades for me, but when I was an undergrad, if your pager went off in class --cell phones weren’t really a thing yet-- most professors would ask you to leave, which was not a good thing in the small upper division classes as they were very difficult and you had to pass with a B or better to move on in my major.

    somename , (edited ) in fixed cyberghost's "meme"

    Cuba is a beacon of progress and humanity in the Americas. Fidel Castro was a hero. Also a pro at dodging the CIA’s kill squads.

    BurgerPunk ,
    @BurgerPunk@hexbear.net avatar

    fidel-salute he’s the all time CIA dodging champ

    asuka ,
    @asuka@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Cuba did some good things - in education, in medicine - but if it’s such a wonderful country, why is everything there a decaying flashback to the 1950s where everything is falling apart?

    TheGamingLuddite ,

    American foreign policy since the cuban revolution has openly and intentionally been aimed at depriving Cubans of food in the hopes that the people would revolt. It’s being denied the ability to trade with other sovereign nations at the barrel of a gun.

    sooper_dooper_roofer ,

    punches you in the face

    stop hitting yourself nerd

    CloutAtlas ,

    Lmao, that’s a testament to communist Cuba’s success. No other form of government could withstand a US embargo for a year and not collapse. Cuba has withstood for DECADES and has surpassed the US in life expectancy. The buildings are kinda shabby, but homelessness, infant mortality, illiteracy are all LOWER than the US, the richest country in the history of the world.

    raven ,

    “Why is everything manufactured in other countries from before the embargo started”

    jesse-wtf

    Awoo ,

    Because the US has been embargoing it for 50 years to prevent it from getting everything it needs.

    The UN regularly votes on the US embargo of Cuba, and only the US and its lapdog Israel support it.

    https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/c7d74730-a087-46c5-89b1-fcdafcd20300.png

    2Password2Remember ,

    are you trolling or have you actually not heard that Cuba has been embargoed for decades

    Death to America

    usernamesaredifficul ,

    so you know how Cuba is a small island nation with a population less than some cities that traditionally relied on exports of raw materials like sugar and tobacco. Yeah well that’s why it isn’t as rich as major industrial economies

    If you compare Cuba with another Carribean nation for example Haiti Cuba is doing far better in literally every quality of life metric

    smiley ,
    @smiley@hexbear.net avatar

    why is everything there a decaying flashback to the 1950s where everything is falling apart?

    It might be that the capitalist world power next door has had an embargo on them since the 1950s. And look at all they’ve accomplished despite that. Now imagine what they’d have accomplished had they been allowed to thrive.

    bennieandthez ,
    @bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml avatar

    Maybe because they are economically blockaded yk? 🤔

    LinkOpensChest_wav , in I dont like drama
    @LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one avatar

    Even on public instances, I don’t understand why people think defederating hurts the fediverse. Just join a different instance, how hard can it be?

    I’m on 3 different instances right now

    Doug ,

    I don’t get it either. Defederation is a tool just like banning or spam prevention. If it’s unused it’s pointless to have.

    But you don’t ban everyone for a single offense just like to don’t defederate lightly. If you do then people will move elsewhere and the problem resolves itself

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  • Doug ,

    Right, which is why I put the line after that in

    hoodatninja ,
    @hoodatninja@kbin.social avatar

    My point is I don't think it's necessarily a bad SOP lol

    Doug ,

    I don’t disagree. I think if it’s an issue the users have the power to resolve it

    JohnDClay ,

    Do we have a way to combine feeds yet? I don’t know of one. So it’s kinda annoying to jump from account to account to make sure your seeing everything.

    LinkOpensChest_wav ,
    @LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one avatar

    I’m not sure there is. Personally, I wish there were a way for an individual to block entire instances since I’m a terminally online individual with 3 accounts who sorts by all -> new for content :P

    I get what you’re saying, and hopefully it’s a feature that gets added. I’m sure eventually it will, or maybe someone will make an app or an add-on

    Facebones ,

    I definitely can block inetances, I did with one click. Maybe it’s the app I use? (Connect)

    I still see comments from it’s users but they’re behind a (comment from blocked instance) button.

    LinkOpensChest_wav ,
    @LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one avatar

    Interesting. I use Jerboa, which makes it easy to block communities, but not entire instances. I’d check out connect, but I browse just as often in a desktop browser, so it would be really nice to have consistency.

    It’s not that big a deal to me, just a feature that would be nice to have imo

    Ozzy ,

    I believe it’s a per-app feature. After switching over to Eternity (Infinity for Lemmy) I had to do my Blocklist again. Also each app handles blocked instances differently, and I think connect does it the best with how it still shows the comments, but not posts.

    iHUNTcriminals ,

    I don’t see the blocked comments or posts with the Eternity app.

    …But I also can’t make my own posts yet…

    Edit: wait… Not sure if it still shows comments from people on instances I’ve blocked.

    50MYT ,

    Sync lets you block entire instances, and that includes the comments.

    It’s a cool self federation

    yukichigai ,
    @yukichigai@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    The “block instance” feature is apparently in the pipeline for Lemmy.

    Kbin currently allows you to block entire instances, so that’s nice.

    LinkOpensChest_wav ,
    @LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one avatar

    Oh, that’s good news! I know it’s been a request on github for quite some time.

    nightwatch_admin ,

    sorts by all -> new for content :P

    ^ this poster right here, officer

    Early_To_Risa ,

    It’s why I’ve found myself gravitating to the less defederation-happy instances. But a new user wouldn’t know to do that.

    Carighan ,
    @Carighan@lemmy.world avatar

    Sure, but keep in mind the comparison to any non-federated site has to be that you had no other instances to jump to in the first place.

    JohnDClay ,

    Yeah, banned groups would need to move to a different platform.

    Erika2rsis ,
    @Erika2rsis@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Yes, actually! Liftoff for Lemmy is still in early development, but you can get it on iOS, Android, Windows, and Linux, and it provides precisely this feature. There are a lot of features that Liftoff is yet to incorporate, probably most notably moderator tools and support for adding Kbin accounts – but give it a try regardless, and do what you can to contribute to its further development. Liftoff is an app with a lot of promise and a surprising amount of functionality already this early in its development.

    It’s worth noting that Liftoff is a fork of the now abandoned project Lemmur, which I believe was the first Lemmy client to support combining feeds.

    JohnDClay ,

    Cool thanks for the heads up!

    idunnololz ,
    @idunnololz@lemmy.world avatar

    Summit for Lemmy supports multi-communities however it still doesn’t support multi-communities from multiple instances at the moment unfortunately.

    theneverfox ,

    I’m building this into an app right now, I’ve got an android beta open if you’re interested in helping decide the course of it.

    Right now it just does the normal stuff with some extra features and lots of filters, but the goal has always been to build custom feeds on your device from a lot of individual sources. I’m redesigning stuff under the hood with that and support for other fediverse integration, I’m looking at kbin and mastodon in the near term, but I think I want pixelfed and maybe friendica down the road

    The name is Luna, let me know if you want a link

    JohnDClay ,

    Cool, I can give it a try if you’d like!

    Early_To_Risa ,

    Counterpoint: new users who don’t know the ins and outs of the fediverse might join an instance at random and see significantly less content.

    half_built_pyramids ,

    Counter counterpoint: the other option is to give your unique identifiable butthole print to zuck

    Early_To_Risa ,

    But he promised those pics were just for him!

    LinkOpensChest_wav ,
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    Fair, but a lot of new users might also get discouraged if the first thing they see is content from exploding-heads or hexbear, and the instances that strive to be safe, inclusive spaces and thus do a significant amount of defederating are usually quite forthright about this when you sign up. For example, I knew just what to expect when I joined beehaw.

    The instance I’m posting from now tries to keep things inclusive more via moderation vs. defederation. There are pros and cons to each approach. I can see both perspective.

    I just don’t think either approach harms the fediverse. I think that’s a bit melodramatic.

    Erika2rsis ,
    @Erika2rsis@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Funny enough, Hexbear actually defederated from my main instance first, due to it not being inclusive enough for their standards. My own experiences with Hexbear as an autistic enby are that Hexbear is actually the most inclusive Lemmy instance out there, by no small margin. The issue with Hexbear is that its users like to “punch up” at non-leftists, pointing out how people propagate or benefit from exploitative systems, and justify these systems to themselves.

    Being “dunked on” may annoy and wound the pride of non-leftists, but this is also very much not the same as the actually evil Nazi shit posted to EH, which “punches down”. I have for many years understood the difference between being annoyed and having my pride wounded for having a bad opinion, and being actively terrorized and marginalized for being a member of a marginalized group. The world would be better off if more people understood that difference.

    LinkOpensChest_wav ,
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    By no means am I saying it’s just as bad or remotely the same as a Nazi instance. I mean, I consider myself anarcho-communist, so it’s not like they’re too leftist for me or whatever, but it’s hard to call it an inclusive space while communicating in such a toxic, off-putting way. It leads me to question whether they’re even genuine communists when they don’t seem to be motivated by any sense of community.

    Maybe I’m a bit quick to judge them, but they remind me of dirtbag leftists from CTH, who were so toxic that I’d actually encounter them freely using slurs in the threads. Not exactly punching up, eh?

    So no, I’d take a million hexbears over one exploding-heads, but to be honest l don’t have any reason to associate with any of them. Maybe it’s my age, but it all seems so very childish and off-putting to me.

    Erika2rsis ,
    @Erika2rsis@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Hexbear at least has a no-tolerance policy for open slurs, as far as I’m aware. But you’re saying with regard to /r/CTH, that it wasn’t, like, people reclaiming slurs, or using “slurs” for non-marginalized groups – that it was actual, proper, undeniably hurtful slurring you saw? And by the way, what is a “dirtbag leftist”, anyway?

    I can definitely understand being put off by the way that the Hexbears often talk. I have managed to have a lot of constructive conversations with the Hexbears, where they honestly just write normally and almost unfairly politely for my asininity; but when the Hexbears aren’t in Serious Mode, which is most of the time, then their comments just look like cryptic emojis and weird slang, right? And I think that’s appealing for a certain type of person, but not for others. I don’t think it’s necessarily bad to be childish or flippant, so it doesn’t bother me.

    Whether the Hexbear culture is toxic is a different question. I can feel comfortable asking silly questions there or expressing sides of my identity that I might hide in other spaces, but there are also parts of the Hexbear culture that I like less and wish would change. Foremost that they could use a reminder of Hanlon’s razor sometimes.

    LinkOpensChest_wav ,
    @LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one avatar

    I think you’re trying to frame my disgust for hexbear on some non-existent sense of fragility. And I don’t give two fucks if they thought they were “reclaiming” or “tactically” using slurs. Fuck all of that, there’s also a reason people dislike 4chan and tumblr.

    I’ve been quite active on subreddits like FWR and AHS, so I understand the difference between punching up and down, and I grasp the value in dismantling the patriarchy and other hierarchies. This ain’t it. I’ve not seen anything positive come out of hexbear, and any potentially decent conversation is spoiled by people deliberately acting like a bunch of unlikable d-bags.

    Admittedly, I’ve got my own traumas to cope with as a gay person in a conservative region, and I can be sensitive. I actually ended up blocking 196 from your instance due to some unchecked misogynistic and homophobic slurs that were never addressed by the mods.

    Erika2rsis ,
    @Erika2rsis@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    What’s this about people disliking Tumblr due to slurs…? I haven’t heard about people particularly disliking Tumblr for any reason, much less usage of slurs. And I don’t know what FWR and AHS are, either. The second seems to be American Horror Story, but I’m not familiar with that.

    I don’t particularly like 196, either. It was the mod endorsement of an ableist slur on 196 that was sort of the impetus for Hexbear defederating from Blåhaj, actually. So I’ve always wished that 196 would just move to its own instance instead of being basically this parasite on the rest of Blåhaj Lemmy where prejudices are allowed to flourish.

    It’s only just now occurring to me that when you talk about slurs you might be referring more specifically to a word that alliterates “quest” and rhymes “near”, and maybe also a word that alliterates “bid” and rhymes “switch”. Are those the words you’re thinking of? The first in particular would be a word that an older gay person from a conservative region would probably have a traumatic past with, but that younger people in spaces like Blåhaj Lemmy or Hexbear or Tumblr would use without having that trauma. I could understand taking issue with that if that is your trauma, because that is something that people should be more respectful and aware of, and that younger LGBT+ people in particular could do better about.

    I’m sorry to have touched a sore spot.

    WtfEvenIsExistence , (edited )

    What? Are you telling me to spend 30 seconds to sign up on another instance? What a waste of time! I got better things to do with my precious 30 seconds!

    Edit: /s because y’all can’t read sarcasm 🤦‍♂️

    WtfEvenIsExistence ,

    I agree, 30 seconds is very valuable.

    WtfEvenIsExistence ,

    Who would willingly spend 30 seconds of their time just to be able to browse more of the Fediverse without worrying about defederation. Silly Lemmings!

    LinkOpensChest_wav ,
    @LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one avatar

    Lol I’ve actually had people say to me things like " Do something productive instead of just commenting." It’s like sweet, you have no idea how much time I straight up waste in things like cookie clicker. Commenting is actually productive by comparison :P

    hoodatninja ,
    @hoodatninja@kbin.social avatar

    I've said it before and I'll say it again: If instances weren't supposed to be ever defederate, then we wouldn't have the tool. In the absence of real moderation/admin tools it's going to get used more frequently. And that's the admin owner's right!

    AlexWIWA ,

    Too many people never used forums and think every site needs to talk to every site.

    tehmics ,

    Forums died for a reason. Reddit took over that space for me because it was one place to see everything. Federation is a better version of that. Decentralized and connected is how the Internet should be

    AlexWIWA ,

    Reddit took over because threading on forums was awful. The centralization was just a nice bonus imo.

    tehmics ,

    I added the ‘for me’ to curb the pedants, but it seems you still found your way. Your experience doesn’t invalidate mine, sorry.

    AlexWIWA ,

    Sorry I missed that. My bad. Fwiw I agree. I like having all my gaming subs grouped together.

    Dinodicchellathicc ,
    @Dinodicchellathicc@lemmy.world avatar

    I think the best part of the fed is that you can see ALL the content from the other instances. I personally feel like its what the internet is supposed to be.

    Kalcifer ,

    I would say that a big part of the issue is the difficulty in transferring one’s account. Ignoring the fact that one simply can’t transfer their posts, trying to manually copy all previously subscribed communities to a new account is a rather tedious task. I am aware that there exists scripts that can automate that process, but I don’t think that it’s fair to expect that the userbase should run 3rd party scripts. Until account transfer is properly implemented, defederation will continue to be a major issue.

    ZiemekZ ,

    The migration must be perfect, which means posts, comments and up/downvotes from the source instance must appear as if they’ve always been on the target instance.

    balderdash9 ,

    Social media needs to be as easy as possible if you’re going to reach the masses. Most people do not give a shit enough to create 3 accounts; they’ll just leave.

    LinkOpensChest_wav ,
    @LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one avatar

    That’s just fine with me. Quality > quantity

    Some of the best forums I use have just a handful of active users

    CoderKat ,

    But quantity and quality are linked. If only, say, 0.1% of people will post high quality content, that means you need to attract a thousand people to get a high quality poster. You can’t just put up a sign that says “high quality posters only”. Plenty of quality posters also want an audience, so they’ll go where the people are and leave if that audience isn’t there.

    LinkOpensChest_wav ,
    @LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one avatar

    Ok, and I’ll go where I like the most people I like ¯_(ツ)_/¯

    I left reddit for many reasons. I don’t want most of those people here.

    So, to be blunt, I don’t care

    Bongles ,

    So circling back then, if the high quality posters leave here, sure you’ll leave with them and you’ll be fine, but it still hurts the fediverse if they leave.

    balderdash9 ,

    This. I love reddit r/askhistorians and r/askphilosophy. But the vast fkn majority of people are not qualified to answer historical or philosophical questions. In these cases you need a lot of people on the site.

    Grimy ,

    Cutting out huge swaths of users at once just stifles the content including the small percentage of actually quality content. You can’t pick out and keep the good stuff when you cut off whole instances. It also brings down the engagement in your own content.

    Take your favorite small forum and now split it according to political opinion, now split it again according to if users pirate movies(lol). Your forum is now dead since no one likes speaking into the void.

    We should be treasuring the connections, not putting up walls because it makes the circle jerk easier.

    Clanket ,

    I’m high as fuck right now

    SomeoneElse ,

    I’m high as fuck AND on three instances rn. I win, right?

    LinkOpensChest_wav ,
    @LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one avatar

    You don’t win Lemmy until you have an account on every public instance!

    Also, I’m slightly high, but “as fuck” would be a major exaggeration on my part

    Schadrach ,

    I just use one, but AFAICT they don’t defederate, they haven’t even defederated anyone on their mastodon instance and that’s had a lot longer to have all manner of inter-instance bullshit develop.

    Redderthanmisty , in AMD has been taking so many W's, they're just giving them away

    AMD’s your friend now, but they’re only undercutting NVIDIA like this to get on top of the market. Once they’ve done that, it will be NVIDIA doing the undercutting, and AMD will be the one clamping down and exploiting their position.

    It has happened time and time again.

    Don’t simp for corporations. They’ll never return the favour.

    jigsaw250 ,

    Exactly, loyalty to a corporation is so stupid. Buy what works best for you in the moment.

    If the company is still doing that when you need your next item, great. But if there is something better with a competitor and it’s not difficult to replace, it’s time to move on.

    silentknyght ,

    I consider it “cheering for the underdog.” When they are no longer the underdog, then the cheering ceases.

    solarvector ,

    Generally agree, but when one of the two participants in a market is actively hostile to users and the other is actually competing for market share, seems like that’s worth acknowledging. Especially when we so many examples of either outright collusion or as soon as one corporation introduces a new hostile feature all the others in the market follow.

    On that note, I’m waiting for the day Nvidia announces a subscription service for unlocking cores or clock speeds.

    tehmics ,

    Yeah, don’t be loyal is exactly what this post is about imo. Switch to whoever is treating you better. Every company eventually gets so big they can bully from the top. As soon as they do that you just go to the scrappy competitor that’s actually providing higher value.

    Nvidia used to have the better price to performance and compatibility so I was ‘team’ Nvidia for a long time and just didn’t consider AMD, even after they became more viable. Now I’ll consider switching to AMD. Open source especially gets my attention

    Pectin8747 , in Lemmy might, MIGHT have a small bias towards the left

    My experience has been the opposite. I’ve found that the majority of users tend to lean towards neoliberal and center-right ideologies. I guess most of them are probably American, so their warped worldview has them considering these ideologies as ‘left-wing’ instead 🙃

    SMITHandWESSON ,
    @SMITHandWESSON@lemmy.world avatar

    Because those of us that are center-right/right believe in less government. I wouldn’t trust the US government with my dogs health, let alone my own.

    loom_in_essence ,

    Cumming to my relentless trust for insurance agency middlemen.

    SMITHandWESSON ,
    @SMITHandWESSON@lemmy.world avatar

    You don’t have to worry about that if you have a good job with premium health insurance.

    America is a sink or swim country and there’s no life gaurd on duty. If you want socialism/communism, just move to China, Russia, North Korea, or Cuba because that shit ain’t gonna happen here.

    Sorry

    loom_in_essence ,

    The fact that public healthcare probably won’t happen is different from the argument that we should trust predatory insurance companies.

    Plus you don’t have to go to China for public health care. You could go to Canada or the UK, obviously. And they’re capitalist as fuck. Although capitalism will likely get rid of their public healthcare eventually, they haven’t succeeded yet.

    Graylitic ,

    Russia is literally a Capitalist state.

    Socialism is inevitable due to the contradictions and failures of Capitalism, whether you like it or not.

    Franzia ,

    Those states fucking suck and no socialist or communist in the western world will tell you to envy them. Can I ask for a bit of social democracy (scandinavian governments) though, as a treat?

    HaggierRapscallier ,

    Cuba’s life expectancy has surpassed yours m8.

    blackn1ght ,

    You don’t have to worry about that if you have a good job with premium health insurance.

    And if you don’t have a good job with premium health insurance?

    If you want socialism/communism, just move to China, Russia, North Korea, or Cuba

    Ah yes, contemporary communist Russia!

    Franzia ,

    I just wanna let you know, I’m an American leftist and I have that exact same distrust in government. I don’t want less government but rather none of it at all. Unfortunately, before that might become possible, a lot of the policies I advocate for do indeed require more regulations and bureauctats.

    IzzyJ ,
    @IzzyJ@lemmy.world avatar

    Anarchism is impossible, nature abhors a vacuum

    loom_in_essence ,

    I 100% agree but I still appreciate anarchism as a critical position. Not a system to actually implement, but a criticism of the corrupt nature of the current regime.

    I’m not an anarchist but I’d miss their perspectives if they weren’t around.

    SMITHandWESSON ,
    @SMITHandWESSON@lemmy.world avatar

    I hear you bro, It’s not that I’m not against having some socialist policies, I just don’t trust the people in power to enact them with the interest of the public in mind

    I also think the problem with this world is overpopulation. If you have too many people, then some of them become disposable. Look at how corporate media is flipping out now that the birth rate has dropped.

    It’s all about having enough people to exploit.

    PS: I’m not the one that downvoted you.

    Franzia ,

    Socialism is when the people take control and classes are abolished. So yeah I would hella agree I don’t trust the people in power to do it. I don’t want to do anything about the population of 8 billion, however it does clearly play into capital to have so many people to exploit.

    TheFogan ,

    Bottom line to me is, no I don’t trust the government at all. Unfortunately the options are the government and private insurance. and seeing how the government is the only thing that stops them from charging super sky high premiums, and then find excuses not to cover anything when you get sick.

    Graylitic ,

    Why do you trust corporations?

    TheFogan ,

    I don’t, the point I was making is the corporations are unspeakably untrustworthy and always will focus purely on what gives them the most money. The government is usually corrupt and will often let these corporations do what they want to do. My point is the government at its worse, is the same as large corporations at their best.

    So when it comes to things like healthcare… yes I’ll take the gov over the corporations.

    gamey ,
    @gamey@feddit.rocks avatar

    Same!

    captcha ,

    The liberals just aren’t used to actual left wing push back.

    SCB ,

    Where are these people you’re talking about, because all I see is a sea of red.

    HaggierRapscallier , (edited )

    Go to c/atheism to see the pinnacle of centrist thought.

    SCB ,

    Ugh if only atheists weren’t the vegans of religion

    Egon , in Lemmy might, MIGHT have a small bias towards the left
    @Egon@hexbear.net avatar

    “wealth for many” yeah but not the majority, and oh whoops what happened to the rest? Oh boy would you look at that they’re all destitute because capital needs a reserve army of labour in order to function.

    Oh whoops would you look at that the market has a tendency to create a monopoly, that’s weird.

    Oh wait would you look at that the regulations are ineffective because the capitalists hold outsized influence in literally every capitalist “democracy” due to them holding the means of production, them having more resources available, which then gives them more time and ability to influence elections. Oh whoops media is a market and media shapes perception how did that happen?

    Corruption isn’t a bug, it’s a feature.

    Reality has a Marxist bias

    Overshoot2648 ,

    I’d prefer a Mutualist or Syndicalist system over a Marxist one. The idea of “self exploitation” doesn’t really make sense to me for most parts of the economy. Giving people direct ownership of their labour and making it illegal to sell that labour prevents the consolidation of capital while also preventing authoritarian overreach by a centralized system.

    Egon ,
    @Egon@hexbear.net avatar

    I’m an anarchist at heart, but I just don’t think it’s feasible to go from this capitalist system to an anarchist one, so an ml in reality. Apart from that I don’t really think about specificities about how society should be structured in the grand scale after a revolution.
    Maybe the immideate material conditions means your structure makes more sense, maybe it doesn’t, it’s not really worth fussing about to me

    Overshoot2648 ,

    I’d argue Spain showcases a pretty good path towards a Mutualist economy with the way their laws are set up that incentivized worker cooperatives to form and become a major part of their economy compared to “traditional” corporations. I tend more economicly Anarchist compared to a full dismantle of the state in the sense that I would be mostly fine with everything pretty much the same, but with economic law set up to incentivize cooperatives and make it illegal to sell another’s labor.

    Egon ,
    @Egon@hexbear.net avatar

    I’d argue Spain wasn’t a good example, since it fell to the forces of reaction.
    I know I’m being reductive and I appreciate your input, but I’m just trying to say that while there are many ways to approach the question of how society should be economically structured, it must be anchored in the material reality of what threatens your society, what opportunities and weaknesses and opportunities it has. I also gotta be honest that it is not a discussion that really interests me, as it is quite far from ever being relevant to me.
    The discussion is interesting to me only insofar as to understand why the existing socialist countries are structured as they are. If you haven’t already seen it I’d like to refer you to this short excerpt from one of Michael Parents Talks youtu.be/uThpIDlfcBQ?si=OHOPASxctMMemkNG

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    db2 , in Projected growth
    moog ,

    what is this lol

    Magnetar ,

    The let-me-do-it-for-you-dog.

    dabnpits ,
    @dabnpits@lemmy.world avatar

    … kermie

    Rac3r4Life , in Restricted Topics
    @Rac3r4Life@lemmy.world avatar

    When I was a kid (way too many years ago) my parents gave up trying to restrict my Internet usage because no matter what they did I could easily get around it. I knew more about networking than they did. Then I grew up to become an IT administrator.

    Countless ,

    The question is,will you be able to restrict YOUR kids?

    kionite231 ,

    Probably not younger generations are usually smarter than the older one.

    Misconduct ,

    I dunno… A lot of the newer gens didn’t have to tinker with everything to get it to work so they’re less familiar with the ins and outs of stuff. Not to say they all are because it’s silly to generalize that many people but many of them grew up with this stuff. Just like how I couldn’t tell you how a TV works or fix one but I’ve built all my own pcs. That happened naturally because I had to learn it early on to have a computer. That being said they definitely seem to be developing a unique skill set for navigating the internet and social media as a whole. I’ve noticed they’re a lot less likely to trust a generic Google search or various articles online. I guess when you’re raised around bullshit you’re gonna end up more critical of it. This is mostly about gen z of course and maybe younger millennials. Gen alpha is feral and weird we should all be worried lmao

    Woland ,
    @Woland@lemm.ee avatar

    If they were really applying critical thinking to bullshit, mainstream media wouldn’t be forced to literally put together entire departments dedicated to fighting fake news.

    Rac3r4Life ,
    @Rac3r4Life@lemmy.world avatar

    I think you misunderstand the reason they need to fight fake news. It’s for the boomers. Kids these days are very media literate and skeptical of everything. It’s really all the boomers who are falling for misinformation and spreading it on Facebook.

    vaultdweller013 ,

    Gen alpha is weird and feral and fucking great. I hope I see what madness the bring to this world.

    alvanrahimli ,

    This is very true. We had to fix all the shit happens to our systems and stuff. But now, they have perfected by implementing this restrictive environments like mac os, chrome os, and stuff like this (windows is trying to implement same thing these days too). So, their devices don’t break. They don’t have to learn how to fix that.

    Nowadays kids don’t even understand basic file structure, lmao.

    KazuyaDarklight ,
    @KazuyaDarklight@lemmy.world avatar

    The fresh college grads getting hired at my work imply this is becoming an inaccurate generalization. Particularly in regards to tech. We may be reaching the brain’s natural knowledge saturation point, and with so much knowledge available, there’s a natural tendency towards a wide but shallow pool.

    vaultdweller013 ,

    Also the fact that unless we have some very notable breakthroughs the tech adults of now grew up with will probably be relatively similar to those kids born now will grow up with.

    We saw massive technological growth over the last 70 years especially for computer and to illustrate my point im gonna note when my mother, grandmother, and myself were born and note the standard computers available.

    Me(1999) Computers were similar enough to modern ones that there isnt much to note outside of processing power and startup, sure theres clear differences but if you know how to operate windows 98 you can probably figure out windows 10 with ease.

    My mother(1979) Congrats you have the apple II computer, some weird texas Instruments computers, and whatever IBM is making. The commadore 64 will be released in three years. Almost all the knowledge is irrelevent for these computers because between the internet and the march of progress not much is gonna be recognizable.

    My grandmother (1956) Computers are the size of rooms and their consoles resemble radar equipment more than anything else probably cause it is old radar equipment. Colored television is a luzury item and the average person thinks a computer is someone good at mathmatics.

    dylanTheDeveloper ,
    @dylanTheDeveloper@lemmy.world avatar

    See instead of blacklisting websites you whitelist instead

    Appoxo ,
    @Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Dad creating a small business class network with DPI at home to find out if the kids do something bad. :p

    Rac3r4Life ,
    @Rac3r4Life@lemmy.world avatar

    I don’t have any kids yet (I’m 32) but I do have a small business class network. 😂

    Appoxo ,
    @Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Don’t restrict but rather educate and guide them. I would probably fail but hey: I tried.

    Appoxo ,
    @Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    My mom asked my uncle to restric access.
    I researched how to unblock it during my time :)
    Was seemingly IP-based and the router probably just created an DHCP reservation for my device. Changing IP to static and done. They should do it via MAC. And even that is useless nowadays.

    Edit: Also work in IT now.

    Rac3r4Life ,
    @Rac3r4Life@lemmy.world avatar

    Yeah, with MAC randomization being readily available on pretty much any device now it is also pretty useless.

    CleanDefinition ,

    lol, same, I’m a programmer now

    SHITPOSTING_ACCOUNT ,

    And this is why kids should grow up with increasingly restrictive parental control software. It’s educational.

    LemmyWinks666 ,
    @LemmyWinks666@lemmy.world avatar

    You’re not wrong. I was so desperate to get online as a kid I was pirating my neighbor’s internet on my Nintendo DS with a borrowed copy of the browser, because that was the only hardware I had with wifi access lmao.

    Captain_Nipples ,

    Back when I was a kid, I ended up guessing my principal’s internet password for our local dial-up. His email was through our local phone company, so his login name was the same… So I had free internet from 8th grade til I graduated. Eventually, the phone company made it where only one person could be logged in at once, but by then I had the money to buy my own.

    My parents weren’t home a lot of hours in the afternoon, and I was the oldest, so I had free reign. I kind of miss those days

    I still remember the 3 passwords I got over the years. His was “kramer” and the other two were “Ozzie1” and “Chicken1”

    EatMyDick ,

    I’m not reading you CAN’T, but filtering software is FAR better than the shit we got around. If you lock your bootloader there isn’t much you’re going to be able to do except use other devices available to you.

    froh42 ,

    I gave my kids completely open internet access and just chose to talk with them on what they might encounter. If I’d locked their devices, they’d just went online at a friend’s place.

    Rac3r4Life ,
    @Rac3r4Life@lemmy.world avatar

    Yeah, I don’t have any kids yet, but if I did I would do the same.

    mithbt ,

    I didn’t restrict my kids Internet access, but I did tell them that even though I’m not tracking everything they’re doing online, the ISP, the school, upstream providers, search engines, social medias, advertisers, and pretty much everyone else will be.

    joel_feila , in Even paper glows
    @joel_feila@lemmy.world avatar

    Dear conspiracy theorists

    Sorry i called you crack pots. Please pass the foil

    renzev OP , (edited )

    I find that a large number of conspiracy theories are asking the right questions, just not providing the right answers. Does big tech want to control our minds with 5G towers and microchips hidden in covid vaccines? Probably not. Does big tech want to control our minds with social media and invasive advertising? Absolutely. Is the world controlled by a secret society of lizard people? Probably not. Is the world controlled by a not-so-secret society of billionaires and politicians? To a large extent. Even those awful racist or bigoted conspiracy theories start to sound somewhat palpable palatable if you filter out the racist or bigoted part. Do Jews make life for the rest of us miserable by controlling the economy? No. But replace “Jews” with “the owning class”, and suddenly it kind of makes sense.

    EDIT: Is the government putting chemicals in the water that turn frogs gay? No. Are corporations putting chemicals in water bottles that turn frogs into hermaphrodites? Literally yes

    EDIT PART TWO - ELECTRIC BOOGALOO: Palatable, not palpable. Words are hard.

    Jax ,

    Asking the right questions, listening to the wrong people.

    Sure, if you completely disassociate them from the answers that they act on (5G towers, lizard people, Jews, gay frogs) then yeah they’re just hunting for the answers.

    captainlezbian ,

    They’re also refusing to accept evidence they don’t like. Like there are two examples that spring to mind: the fact that the earth is an oblate spheroid and the fact that trans people existing is a natural phenomenon in our species. For the former there are mountains of evidence and anyone who’s spent any time near an ocean knows it’s true. It’s just not what your eyes or feet notice. They’re questioning their assumptions but they came to a conclusion and accept all flimsy evidence rather than more solid evidence that it’s not true. And they never ask why. For what fucking reason would people spend billions fabricating this conspiracy?

    For the latter these people see a group of people who violate social norms in a way that they aren’t comfortable with anc do ask why. But they then answer it maliciously without evidence and repeatedly reject evidence and in the process eventually find themselves conspiring to hurt that group preemptively. Similar thinking happens against Jewish folks.

    I applaud curiosity, I didn’t get enough sleep last night because of my own, and I’ve done a science before. But conspiracy theorists give their curiosity to dark parts of their psyche and let it run wild

    RandomVideos , (edited )

    So replace the noun with “rich people” and it is true?

    samus12345 ,
    @samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

    Yes. Antisemitism complains about the right things with the wrong target.

    MystikIncarnate ,

    The anti semetics might be right, but only if the rich people who are doing the bad thing are also Jewish.

    Bluntly, I don’t think they’re doing it because they’re Jewish, it’s because they’re rich and entitled. But not all rich people are Jewish and not all Jewish people are rich, so it’s likely that they’re wrong.

    Still a fucked up thing to say/think.

    samus12345 ,
    @samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

    They’re not right, because as you said the fact that some of the shitty rich people are Jewish isn’t why they’re doing the shitty things.

    MystikIncarnate ,

    I would clarify, but I don’t give enough of a shit to bother.

    Anti semites can eat all the dicks.

    brbposting ,

    That’s the worst part about those distractors.

    Verified evils are so numerous as to invite a lifetime of agitation.

    Instead people make up BS others have to refute or report on.

    Socsa , (edited )

    The entire reason they do it is because it validates their instincts to ignore the real evil in front of them. There’s a reason why Republicans in particular have embraced increasingly crazy conspiracies as their party marches onward towards actual fascism.

    MystikIncarnate ,

    As someone who has worked in IT communications, nobody deploying 5G is doing anything differently than for 4G/LTE/3G/2G or even coax/DSL/fiber/whatever. The only functional difference is that it’s faster. It may operate with newer tech, faster chips, different frequency bands, different modulation techniques, etc… But at the end of the day, it’s just a means to get data from here to there. Nothing more.

    Also, the government (or “the man” or “them” or whatever), already have an almost universal method to track every living person in the country. You willingly carry this tracker with you at all times; to work, to the park, to friends and family locations, etc… If you haven’t guessed yet, it’s a cellphone.

    A big part of increasing the network speed on commercial wireless networks (cellular provider networks) is reducing cell size, aka, the amount of space each radio covers, and just increasing the number of cells (radios) serving an area. They know exactly which cell(s) your phone is connected to, where those cells are, which direction the antennas are facing and how far you are away from it (by signal strength, or rssi). This can be triangulated with other antennas that can “hear” the same signal, and all of their metrics (location, direction, distance), and that information can be quickly collected and cross referenced into a very accurate location.

    This can be done without any software on your device, and very likely without having a valid service plan. As long as you’re in range and the cellular radio is on, “they” already know where you are. And you carry your phone with the radio online at all times, willingly. Pretty much once you get to have your own phone as a teenager, they know where you are and “they” have been able to track you since.

    Having apps like Facebook and whatever that get your location information from the network and the app relays it to Facebook (or whatever corporate entity), is the equivalent for the corporate overlords. You just need to invite them in by having the application installed, and it can report that data to them.

    Most do this entirely willingly and could not give any fewer shits about it.

    This is not speculation, this is part of the technical capabilities of the systems. Whether or not the government or any legal entity is using the information for this purpose is up for debate, but the fact that it can be done isn’t in question. There are entire companies dedicated to building solutions which correlate connection data to geolocate connected devices with a high degree of accuracy.

    A nontrivial part of the reason these systems exist is for e911, which can relay GPS information to emergency services. A system which does not work very well for most counties because their 911 systems are too old and underfunded. If it works correctly, your precise location and altitude (to determine if you’re on the ground floor or not), can be accessed by emergency services in the event that it is required. Usually those features are only accessible or activated if you actually dial 911 (or your country’s equivalent emergency number), but they’re built out and exist regardless of if you need/use it. This was made a requirement by the government since your physical address bound to the number you are calling from, is not necessarily where you are when you make the call. In the olden days of landlines, every phone number would come up with the service address when you called 911. Since the service address was the only location you could use that line from, that worked. Now that we’re almost entirely mobile, it’s not useful anymore, so this system was devised. Then the government promptly denied sufficient funding to 911 systems to implement their end of the system, while mandating that carriers set it up.

    It’s stupid. But I digress.

    The fact is, you are being tracked. It’s being done for your own good (re: emergency services), but it’s very easily abused by those who can access it. People like government agencies.

    Whether they’re abusing it or not, that’s a question you’ll have to figure out for yourself.

    Kindness ,

    different frequency bands

    Actual conspiracy theory: Very small fish tend to die a few days after being exposed to electromagnetic metal detectors. Fewer die if you hold them above the metal detectors. This is an observable phenomenon you can try at your own expense. While I don’t think 5G is a significant enough increase in energy density to cause you to die, there is a good chance it’s enough to introduce destabilization in homeostasis due to body warming. Especially if you live within 100 meters of a tower. Babies tend to be fussier sleepers when sleeping very near routers or baby monitors using a meager 2.4, 5, or 6 GHz, attempt experimentation at risk of the children.

    Whether they’re abusing it or not, that’s a question you’ll have to figure out for yourself.

    Not a conspiracy theory: Snowden proved they are. Everyone in a 5 Eyes country is stuck having their private moments exposed at any given moment for any reason.

    MystikIncarnate ,

    It’s a well known scientific fact that higher frequency waves carry more energy. For larger mammals, such as humans, these differences are trivial for the most part. Unless you’re standing in a location which is exposed to high amplitude and high frequency EM waves, the danger is generally nil. By high frequency, I’m talking about pretty much anything over ~10Mhz, and for high amplitude, I’m talking about power levels at or above 100W. Putting 100+W of power through an antenna is extremely rare, and due to things like attenuation, free space path loss, reflections, refractions, etc, unless you’re basically standing directly next to an antenna, in its transmission path, you’re fine. Bluntly, this is why cellular towers are set up the way they are. Usually an antenna mast will have a relatively small support pillar of some sort, usually a cylindrical “pipe” shape, or a set of support beams in an overlapping “x” shape, which narrows as it goes up. At the top it usually flares out for where the antennas are mounted, so if you climb up the mast, you end up behind the “business end” of the antennas; aka, they’re pointed away from you. This means that the vast majority of energy being produced is directed away from where you are. For everyone else, being on the ground or even in a nearby building, you’re too far away to be exposed to significant signal amplitude. We can it EIRP in the industry, or “estimated isotopically radiated power”. The EIRP drops off quickly in the first few meters after the antenna, as the signal expands outwards towards the service area; so even being within 15m is generally safe.

    EM waves can be dangerous, specifically in the extremely high bands; IMO, this is what scares people. Extreme high band EM is dangerous at most power levels. These extreme high bands are capable of causing damage at the cellular level, possibly causing your DNA to break down. These are referred to as “ionising”. The bands that people most commonly know that are ionising, includes UV and X-ray. High band UV 2 and UV 3 are in this range, and x-rays are too. They’re all EM waves and they are extremely dangerous. These are all emitted by our sun, and mostly blocked by ozone. Some small levels of UV 3 might get through (hello skin cancer). What I want to point out is that these are all at, or above hundreds of terahertz in frequency. UV bands start around 800Thz. 80,000 times higher than 10Ghz. It goes up from there.

    Light, which is also an EM wave is between 400-800Thz, and it’s widely considered harmless. Yet, common folks tend to start to freak out about EM above ~6 GHz because of a lack of understanding. 8Ghz is more than 100,000 times lower than the low band of UV (which is non-ionising). Any EM wave with sufficiently high transmission power is strong enough to cause damage, for most frequencies below 400Thz (aka, below visible light) would need to be significantly higher than what we normally use. For context, transmission power at the antenna for broadcast radio (eg FM radio stations), is usually around 100kW maximum per antenna system. These transmitters can be legally and safely placed in urban areas provided adequate separation between the antenna and the public, usually 30-40 meters. To contrast this, the broadcast power of WiFi at 2.4Ghz is usually set at or around 100mW (0.1W), with a maximum output of around 1W (legally at least). To further this example, microwave ovens use 2.45Ghz frequency EM to heat your food. This is usually combined with a very well insulated cage to prevent that energy from escaping, which both protects you and your home from being cooked, and also directs the energy towards the item being heated, improving efficiency. Most modern microwaves can emit around 1000W (or 1kW) of power. 2.45Ghz is, however, special, in the way that it directly interacts with water. This specific frequency can excite water on a molecular level to create heat. I won’t go much further into it than that. So it’s unique in the interaction it has. Something something resonant frequencies something something… Look into it if you’re curious. The point is that your 2.4 GHz WiFi is 1000-10000 times less powerful than your microwave. Other frequencies do not have the same effect on water or other molecules. If your microwave ended up emitting 3Ghz instead of 2.45ghz, you would have a microwave that consumes a lot of power, which doesn’t do anything useful.

    I mention this to point out that the amount of power needed to affect something in favorable conditions is generally at or above ~800W of transmission power, in the equivalent of an EM “mirror” box. Consumer goods generally will never transmit above 1W. Even at 0.1W you can usually saturate your house, your yard, and your neighbors yard… At least enough to “see” the signal.

    “5G” and “6G” mobile/cellular technologies operate in the gigantic band between 900MHz and 400THz (often on the lower side of that very broad range), well below the level of ionizing EM, and at power levels well below what would be dangerous. The largest 5G arrays run with power levels around 120W. Which is less than 1/8th the power of your microwave, and at a maximum of 40Ghz, well below ionising.

    Scientifically speaking, 5G mobile carrier antennas are less dangerous than walking under a 1000W flood light, which people do without hesitation, or even a thought given to any possible danger from the exposure to the ~600Thz EM being emitted by the floodlight.

    Bluntly speaking, it’s a stupid argument to be afraid of 5G for the transmissions themselves. You will not be harmed by them.

    CucumberFetish , (edited )

    Nice write up. There is a guy that tried out how dangerous the microwaves are (tl:dr not very): m.youtube.com/watch?v=3hBRxwQXmCQ&pp=ygUgc3RpY2tp…

    Short term effects seem to be none so far. I wouldn’t stick any part of myself into one, but his video is still quite hilarious

    MystikIncarnate ,

    That… Is definitely not recommended.

    I only have a fairly basic grasp of physics and biology, and from what I know, the microwaves will heat up the water inside your cells… Specifically the 2.45Ghz emitted by the magnetron in a microwave “oven”. It will easily penetrate your flesh and heat you up from the inside out… Like, on a cellular level. The water inside your cells can very easily and quickly boil, causing the cell to explode… Especially when exposed to ~1000W of 2.45GHz EM energy. It’s non-ionising so the effects will be limited by the amount of exposure, and limited exposure won’t cause much damage. Your body will very easily heal, since you lose cells all the time. Prolonged exposure will kill you.

    Also, activating a nearly 1kW magnetron in an open environment will have devistating effects on anything operating in the same frequency band, and likely anything on resonant frequencies, which will likely get you in trouble with the FCC (or local regulatory body), which can include aircraft, military operations, emergency services… It’s a long list. If they use radios as part of their normal operation, a powerful and unregulated transmission like this can basically jam their system making any legitimate broadcasts unintelligible. This can obviously put lives at risk.

    With that said: do not do this.

    I’m licensed to operate radio equipment in amateur radio bands up to 190W EIRP (if I recall correctly), and I don’t think I’ve ever used anything more powerful than 50W, I don’t own anything more powerful than 25W, and anything with the antenna attached to the radio (like a handheld radio) that I own doesn’t exceed 10W, most are 5W. For me, if I was using anything over 50W, I’d want a band pass filter on my antenna feed line to eliminate spurious emissions on resonant frequencies just to be extra careful.

    That all being said, since the damage from this guy has already been done, I wouldn’t expect any further issues for him. I’m sure his biological systems have fully recovered from the exposure, and I don’t expect it to resurface again. If it was higher frequency (ionising radiation) then he would probably already have died, and even if he didn’t, he would be in for a lifetime of hurt, but yeah, 2.45Ghz is relatively safe by comparison.

    Just to note, above x-rays are all the radioactive emissions that come from stuff like nuclear materials. Which is why they’re called “radioactive” … They’re actively emitting radio (EM) waves. Usually well into the petahertz and exahertz, while ionising radiation starts in the very high terahertz range.

    1Ehz = 1,000Phz = 1,000,000 Thz = 1,000,000,000 GHz (For clarity)

    Gabu ,

    Thank you for taking the time write this, I wouldn’t have the patience to do it.

    Kindness , (edited )

    Truly, thank you so much for responding. I love learning from experts.

    This is usually combined with a very well insulated cage to prevent that energy from escaping

    Faraday cage. Please. I’m a fool, not an imbecile. And to be clear, I’m well-aware of ionizing radiation bands.

    However, my concerns lie in extended exposure. I’ll relate this to analog. Regardless of frequency, sound as quiet as 70 decibels can cause hearing loss after extended exposure. In the territory of 24 hours and longer, mind you. This is as quiet as, say, a hearty conversation, or a washing machine.

    And this is a dual inverted sliding scale. Hearing loss zones:

    • | XXdB | Duration before hearing loss. |
    • | 70dB | 24h | As quiet as a clothes washer can cause hearing loss. Really.
    • | 75dB | 8h |
    • | 80dB | 2h |
    • | 90dB | 1h |
    • | 95dB | 50m |
    • | 100dB | 15m |
    • | 105dB | <5m |
    • | 110dB | <2m |
    • | 120+dB | Instantaneous |

    I’d like to know where the scales for EM radiation amplitudes are. I’ve read a few studies but most of them focus on bursts or separated exposures. Very few of them observe sustained continuous exposure.

    Also, I’m aware sound and radiation are not apples to apples, but my point of relating energy input and exposure duration is the same. If you ask anyone if 70 dB is safe, everyone will tell you, “Yes. Of course.” Which is not correct. Even 60 dB can do you further harm, if your ears have not healed from damage sustained immediately prior.

    Some small levels of UV 3 might get through (hello skin cancer).

    Now you’re getting into much more familiar territory. UV-A, the lowest band of UV, at UV 1 is entirely capable of causing sun-burns. It just depends on exposure time and pigmentation. Any sunburn has the potential to cause cancer. The more intense the burn and larger the affected area, the higher the chance more cells mutate, the higher your chance one of those cells becomes an unstable cancer cell, the higher the chance one of those cells becomes stable, and the higher chance for metastasis… From non-ionising low flux UV-A. Possible, but unlikely. Though increasingly likely as duration increases.

    These transmitters can be legally and safely placed in urban areas provided adequate separation between the antenna and the public, usually 30-40 meters.

    The EIRP drops off quickly in the first few meters after the antenna, as the signal expands outwards towards the service area; so even being within 15m is generally safe.

    Inverse square, I’m familiar. And now we’re cooking with fire. Let’s elide frequency for a moment, pretending it’s irrelevant in the same way mechanical waves’ frequencies are.

    Let’s assume 30-40 meters for 100KW antenna and 15 meters for ~20W macro cell is instantaneous minor damage. With each meter you distance yourself, the concentration of wattage decreases. What do you suppose the limit of energy density is for immediate damage when in direct contact? What do you suppose is the limit of wattage for sustained direct exposure on scale of 24 hours. That is, the equivalent of 70dB for intensity. What about sustained exposure for several years?

    I don’t fear the effects it will have. After all, death will come to us all at some point. However, that doesn’t mean I’ll be reckless with the time I have left.

    Also, I just started studying to get my Ham and haven’t quite wrapped my brain around a lot of the implications, so your input is very much appreciated. Thanks.

    Gabu ,

    Regarding everything previous to your mention of Snowden – No. Simply no. We’ve already done exhaustive research, 5G isn’t even close to a high enough frequency

    drathvedro ,

    Does big tech want to control our minds with 5G towers and microchips hidden in covid vaccines

    Oh they would like that though, it’s just not techically feasible.

    RIP_Cheems , in potatoes are fruit
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    Potatoes, nature’s mockery.

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